If you'd like to make a donation to Magpas air ambulance, here's the link www.justgiving.com/page/bennetts-magpas-2024-1704812646441 Thanks VERY much, John
This is my own experience with a Zontes 310m scooter. I'm over 50 and have been driving Japanese motorcycles all my life. Currently owning a cbr1000rr and this Chinese machine. This is my take on it after 17k km's of commuting. A daily mix of city, 90km/h and 120km/h roads. Positives: it has been mechanically flawless, good practical class leading performance, faster then i expected, no ctv issues. Consumption around 3.2L/100km. Excellent fueling by the Bosch injection. Good build and paint quality. Nothing came loose, thick plastics, no creaking sounds. Good wind and rain protection with little buffeting. Short wheel base, light weight and 14 inch front wheel make it maneuverable while it remains stable and confident at 130km/h Things to consider: i find the rear suspension dampening to be rather firm. It is personal thing if you like that or not. I like a sportier driving style instead of a wobblier but more comfortable one. Changing the oil viscosity in the damper is always a low cost solution. Things that could be better: main light beam is weak, high beam is ok. Standard tires are not that good in rainy conditions. Remote key works perfectly, until your fob battery dies. Keep a spare in your wallet. The bad: Chinese bikes have a bad reputation as can clearly be seen in the comments. Even if quality has improved significantly the last 5 years. This has a important influence on resale value. Keep that in mind. Conclusion: would I buy this again? Absolutely yes. It's more fun to drive than the other maxi scooters I have tried, X-max, T-max, Forza, BMW 400 (also a Chinese scooter made by Voge). It's more narrow and it's steering characteristics make it very good at filtering. It makes economical sense. Low consumption and low maintenance costs. A CVT belt only costs 22 euro shipped by example.
No, but I made a £18,000 mistake 😢 I bought a harley davidson pan america specia,l the most unreliable bke I've owed in 50+ years of riding. Avoid at any price it's utter garbage.😢❤
Harley’s are terrible. Especially if u wanna go far. And the alarm never stops. Buy an older one in good shape. New bikes quality is low. In last 5 years. Even when I order new parts. Half of them are garbage. Out of the box
@kencarrcarr3751 I wish I could have had your experience. As when it works, it's great. Unfortunately, my experience with my bike is that's not very often.
@@aridlington2782 Sorry to hear that but it sounds like you should get in contact with HD UK directly and demand action as your dealer must be seriously incompetent after all you have a three year warranty. Putting things into perspective regarding new bikes and reliability problems I have a buddy who bought a brand new BMW GS 1250 back in 2022 and the bike has left him stranded broken down on the roadside waiting for a recovery van not once but twice needless to say he was somewhat pissed off so after blowing his lid with the dealer they eventually sorted it out good luck.
@kencarrcarr3751 it is currently in the hands of a solicitor, I have rejected it as not being fit for purpose. My contract is with the supplying dealer, so hopefully, it will get sorted. When it works, it's a good bike H D should never have released it in this state.
This bike has years in other parts of the world, In Argentina for example, theres a guy called Martin who clocked 103,000km on his Zontes. video published by "El pai" here on youtube. cheers 👋
I don’t care where it’s made, after 52 years of riding,m the very LAST thing I want is an electronic gizmo on two wheels. Petrol caps that screw on and off work just fine, why bugger them up with electronics? And I neither want nor need a mini iPad sitting where my Speedo should be.
My mates Datsun handbook from 1968 “insert metal in hole. Rotate metal to commencement engine. If engine fails to commence, battery may be horizontal”. Nice to see that the chap who wrote this has found work in China
Today it's easy. Translate the text to Japanese in Google Translate and swap language 4 - 6 times. Out comes:"Insert metal into the hole. Rotate the metal to start the engine. If the engine does not start, the battery level may be low" which easily translates into: "Insert key into the keyhole. Rotate the key to start the engine. If the engine does not start, the battery level may be low."
Moto Mag here in France has been running this Zontes for well over a year as a long termer. It’s done thousands of kms and travelled to multiple countries without missing a beat. Unbreakable and surprisingly capable.
A friend of mine and her husband did the NC500 with us on her Zontes in 2022, it never skipped a beat, took a battering on some of gnarlier single track roads, out performed her husband's GS 300, I was on a S1000XR my mate on a GSA1200, apart from the Motorway it held it's own, looking forward to further episodes.
Lad at work has a little 125 rides it every day..in all weather down a crappy road to get there.. three years solud, I am absolutely amazed how it keeps going.
Very true. There is absolutely no consistency from one bike to the next. Some only manage a handful of miles before totally dying of an illness that the dealers can never fix, while others go on for years despite living with serious neglect.
I respect unbiased content creators like you. i have a 125cc chinese underbone that is 12 years old. still runs good. doesnt even rust because it got aluminum mags and handle bar and monoshock unlike the expensive big 4 125 cc underbone that has disposable rim and junk shop handle bars and cheap bulb. expect leading brand 125 cc underbone will be rusted after a year if it got cheap parts.
I had a Zontes zt125g1 which was the best bike I'd ever owned for reliability, comfort and economy. It sat outside all year round,on the coast subject to sea spray and high winds. It took me from Shetland to Somerset and back via Cumbria and Wales without a hitch. Topped out at 75mph but cruised happily at 65 mph. I got nearly 400 miles without needing to refuel and could have gone much further. Only drawback was obviously lack of power in high winds and steep hills, hence the move to a 500 honda, and I really regret part exchanging my Zontes. Having both bikes would have been great. If I had the money I would have kept the Zontes and had a 750x honda too. By the way I'm in my 60s , 190lbs and 6ft. That's just as reference for riding a 125cc bike and touring on it. Great video as usual
(I do all the minor repairs and maintenance on my Son’s Suzuki collection) but he also kept his original Learner bike from 2016 which is a Chinese Keeway Superlight chopper/cruiser. I can honestly say it’s the most reliable and comfortable all day commuter/cruiser I’ve ever ridden! £2500 new on the road..
Late 2022 I had a Zontes 125 in prep for a bigger bike. I had nothing to compare it with but it was brilliant as a first bike. Having passed my test in November 2022 I bought the CF Moto 650MT. I did two tours of Scotland, two of Wales, various trips to the lakes and not a single issue occurred in over 7K miles. I now have Tracer 7GT and I can say the build quality of the CF was as good as the Yamaha. £5k new as opposed to £9k is something to consider.
I’m a CBT instructor and the company I’m working for have 3 125 Zentos scrambler we have had them for 2 years and what they are unbelievable what a nice bike, all the students say how nice the bikes are and yes I do ride them and if I was 17 again this is what I would buy
@@ellouco1020you sound just like all the old boys in the 60s when jap bikes landed....now everyone swears by them. Keep dissing chinese bikes, ive got one and its as good as any jap bike ive owned or ridden.
Thanks for the shout out John! Love that you're gonna test it out on this bike. I had a lexmoto 125 and was great to learn on. I had no issues with mine but have heard some horror storys. Will be very interesting to see how you get on with one and how they perform over time.
Very nice review, very interesting and informative. I was the first person to review the CFMoto 800MT from the UK or Ireland two years ago (the video is on my channel somewhere, I just happened to be in Rhodes just after it had come out on the continent, so I rented it myself - it was just luck that I happened to be the 'first' UK/Ireland based person to grab a phone and GoPro and do a video review on it, though it does have over 20k views!), but it opened my eyes big time to how Chinese motorcycles had progressed at that point, so I'm very curious to see how the other brands have progressed in the two years since. Will be definitely be following along with this one - Cheers!
I bought a brand new Zontes ZT125-U in 2020 and I had to have the oxygen sensor replaced under warranty within a month of having it and then the side-stand sensor literally a week before the warranty ran our done. Apart from that, it ran flawlessly and I put 4,000 miles on it and used it as a winter commuter and everything. It really did alright and I sold it at the end of 2023 for a fair price. I can't say much bad about Zontes at all.
This is an excellent preview of what to do when purchasing a [near-] new bike. I've lived in Cambodia for 32 years and, in that time, have owned over 40 bikes, from Taiwanese, Korean, Indian, Chinese and Italian - the remainder being Japanese. I'd say, overall, there's little to fear from a non-Japanese buy - btw, there's a Zontes dealership 400 meters from my home and they have the 350T on sale for US$4249 - again, the price differential is only obvious for reasons of ASEAN import tax deductions and proximity to the source of production. I look forward to all your travails and trust everything works out; you certainly have done your homework
Hello! Have you ever asked the Zontes service what to look out for with 310s? I have an r310, I hope it will be reliable. It has 5,000 km so far and I took a chance on a Chinese engine because it was written that Zones is a good manufacturer.
the hard part is finding a garage that will work on Chinese bike most of them wont touch them I found that out when I owned a lexmoto about 5 years ago
I’ve owned a CF150 2014 model and just sold 4 months and never had any trouble and serviced 6 monthly and tyres replaced every 2 years and front brake pads twice.still going with new owner
For me,there is so much stuff made in China these days that it's probably not the gamble it used to be.Really looking forward to seeing how your purchase pans out...liked and thanks as always..
Too true, I don’t know if you remember Gok Wan going to China and visiting clothing factories showing jeans for very high end (translated means stupid money) fashion brand companies being made alongside lines in the same factory to those going to supermarkets , snobbery around goods birthplace is a result of the public being gaslighted by global corporations trying to maximise their profits
Assuming that to be true, the insurance premiums and resale value/holding its value cant be great due to the nature of the stigma from where it was manufactured.
What people don't understand is China IS capable of making decent stuff but it comes down to price, a bike that is half the price of the competition is cheap for a reason, it's made of poor quality materials so does the job.. but only for a relatively short time 😂 We all know the underhand business the Chinese do, not complying with copyright, Claiming parts made from high quality 7075 aluminium only to find its nothing of the sort etc
It is always Parts Availability through a Parts and Dealer Network that makes or kills any imported motorcycle.. no matter how well made. In the US Bridgestone, Lilac/Marusho, Tohatsu, Royal Enfield and Matchless ( in 60's) and SAS, all failed because the parts stream and service were simply rare or not there. If you buy a machine from a guy who also sells Lawn Mowers, and cordless vibrators... you bike is just as good as your time untill something fails. Then you have a lawn ornament.
I've got a Chinese Pioneer 125 2006 I got 3 years ago for the grand price of 650 euro, with new tyres, brake refurb etc. it's been reliable minor electrical problems, it starts on the button a bit under powered Honda CG clone cruises quite happily at 60 to 70 kph. The frame might be made from gas tubing but it's solid.
Sensors to tell you what's gone wrong - only for you to find it's the sensor itself. Electronic seat and petrol cap openers.... what could possibly go wrong!? I wouldn't dream of buying something like this.
I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding the Chunnel. It's a loooong time since I took that route, but I remember feeling frazzled every time I did because there's really no pause in your journey. You don't even save anything on the cost, and you arrive a good 100km further north than any of the other crossings. My personal preference is for the Newhaven-Dieppe route. It's a slightly shorter crossing (approx. 5 hours) which means that you get into Dieppe at between 5 and 6 am. For me, that is simply perfect as it means that you get past the heavy traffic around the major cities (Rouen, Paris etc.) before rush hour, but you don't arrive so early that there are no manned fuel stations. I would also like to add that DFDS, the ferry operator, has some of the best after sales service of any company I have ever had to deal with, they really are that good.
@@rushymoto Why would I want to? There are hypermarkets all across France, and most of them are better.Nor does that hypermarket get me 100+km further south, or avoid the complete sh1t show that is going around Paris. Both Cherbourg and Dieppetake you to parts of France which have MUCH lower traffic densities than the Pas de Calais, and cut at LEAST 100km off the journey to Spain/SW France. Oh, and the 3 hours closest to Calais are some of the most boring roads in the whole of France. Doing it on a bike is like going through purgatory, whereas both Cherbourf and Dieppe only leave you with about 1hour of grind before you get to some interesting roads. From Rouen southwards, the roads are a delight, and you get the added benefit of being able to take in one of the medieval world's great wonders; Chartre Cathedral. Even on a windswept, cloud scudding day, Chartre still manages to liftr my spirits, and I don't even believe in any of that cr^p.
So you moan about not having a break by using the tunnel but moan more by saving the time crossing and then using the immediate available mall as soon as you leave the terminal that is for-me-da-bler.
@@rushymoto No, I wasn't moaning because, as I had origiinally pointed out,m I haven't used that crossing for yonks. Nor do I subscribe to YOUR point that it "saves me time", because it doesn't. That is because the trip from UK to France may be shortened to 25 (?) minutes, I still then have 3 hours of tedium to endure on landing. At least on the Cherbourg or Dieppe routes you have the opportunity to have maybe a beer and a lie down and you start fresh in the morning. I do not consider wandering around some godawful mall in the most boring bit of France as any form of beneficial alternative to getting a spot of shuteye. As I have pointed out, I wasn't moaning, I was concurring with the alternative whiole pointing out the negatives of the Chunnel. Even in a car, I avoid the Chunnel. But on a bike I wouldn't even begin to think of the Chunnel unless I was heading well to the east of Paris, going to Germany, maybe. Even then, I think that my preference would still be Dieppe, and do a run along the Loire and then up into Alsace, or even go down as far as Lyon, then through Switzerland and into Germany that way. Really, at 60+ years old, I've done the Pas de Calais route enough times to know that there'd have to be extraordinary reasons to face that again.
I use the Chunnel every year. Would never go back to using ferries. Getting into Dover and schlepping through that awful port then navigating their terrible traffic system. Give me Folkestone every time.
A red running light on the back of your helmet is much better than one fitted next to bike's rear lamp. Your head is much higher and is visible from way many angles and distances as it's not obscured by cars as often as the lamps at the usual bike level.
I’ve got a 10ten 140, and a slam 250, both most reliable and best bikes I’ve been on,I was same until I got that, they’re reliable and probably best bikes about today, I got 3 brand new bikes for the same as some second hand and new
I Have the Sinnis terrain t380, had it 2 years now, added a few bits and pieces to improve, including a tyre change to Metzeler roadtecs which are cracking, fully dealer serviced and touch wood never had a problem
I had a ZT125. Super reliable, nice features on it (ABS, wireless ignition, electronic seat and fuel cap). Only issue I had was the battery going flat in the fob for the wireless ignition system.
I have the Zontes Zt310-T2. This bike is absolutely amazing. I use it for my work as I travel a lot. I've added around almost 9000km within about 3 months. I did a few long distance trips, mud, gravel and hard rain. This bike has been truly amazing. Not a day of issues so far. I'm keen to see what it's going to bring in the coming months
As an FYI, Cheng Shin Tire (CST) is a Taiwanese company and the parent company of Maxxis, a very well respected brand in the motocross and mountain bike world.
We have 2 Zontes. My son rides a 125 G1 and I have a 310 A.D.V. It has been glorious to ride and will have done 16,000 by 2 years old and ridden most days and all weathers. It's not sh1t.
My Giant road bike cost more than that!. So i think for a new rider or a returning rider it doesn't seem bad value even if you have a few issues. Keep up the good work John.
Chinglish owners manual, 3000 mile service intervals, check engine light on already, all major red flags already. I’m sick to death of watching other TH-camrs singing the praises of these crap Chinese bikes. I’ve watched several of your previous videos but this one has earned a subscription. I can’t wait to see how this story unfolds. 2500 mile trip on this, you’re braver than me ! I’ll stick with my Honda, I’d rather don a rucksack and stick out my thumb than undertake such a trip on that bike ! Thank you and good luck !
It depends on the bike/brand you get, these Zontes from my experience of working on one, they are not good, or they were not, they may have improved as others have. Many others probably are not good either, but there are some very good Chinese, and Chinese built Japanese bikes (many parts, engines, and some bikes that you love are, or have been made in China). I got into riding a little later in life, I decided in 2016, to get my CBT, some gear and a bike to get me going, I could have done my DAS, but be without a bike for some time. So I decided to buy a brand new Keeway RKV 125 (£1700), such a great little bike, looked the part, had all the things you get on expensive Japanese 125's and more, like an actual, accurate fuel gauge 😂 I had it for almost a year before doing my A license, but still rode it around for another ten months after I passed, while saving for my next bike. I never once had one single issue with quality, or the mechanics/electrics of the bike. I now ride an almost 24y/o bike, the massively underrated Kawasaki ZX9r 😎 Chinese made may almost always mean cheap/cheaper, but it doesn't always mean poor quality, they have City size manufacturing plants, they can manufacture multiple vehicles/components at such high rates, without compromising quality, this is why the likes of Suzuki have had some of their most popular bikes made over there. Now to see what the latest Zontes are like according to this video 😎
I know someone who bought a Zontes. It was the sport touring version with the 300cc engine in it. He traveled for thousands of km without any problems. The only thing he didn't like was the vibration coming from the engine.
The thing to remember with these Chinese bikes is where they are cheaper, they'll be cheaper for a reason, we really need to remind ourselves these aren't Japanese brand products just sold at a lower margin. The key is understanding where the costs have been cut and then deciding whether we're happy with that.
Hi John , being a Zontes owner I have to comment on personal experience , as I have done several times on YT about these bikes in the past. I've had the ZT125 U1 for 2 and a half years now which I bought new from Deardens at Holbury in Southampton (the local Zontes dealer). I was returning to biking having retired at 65 and reviewed virtually all 125's on the market before purchase. Honda , Yamaha and Suzuki top brands would have cost approx. £4,600 but I took what most people would consider a 'flyer' on the Chinese bike from Zontes at £3,100. The last couple of years on it have been amazing. I've only done about 2,000 miles but go out on 120 mile day trips as well as local runs , it hasn't missed a beat . I must admit I like my bells and whistles so was attracted to the gizmo's like illuminated switchgear at night and the electric fuel lid pop up. But , consider also that it has Bosch ABS and fuel injection , stainless steel exhaust , keyless fob and in my opinion very good lights at night (LED projector) . I've had no troubles with any of it . I keep the battery on maintenance charger for which Deardens had already fitted the connection wiring. The only thing I keep in my jacket pocket is a spare fob battery in case it dies while I'm out , they are £2.50 each ! I bought the rear bobbins as on your ZT 350 and paddock stands to do chain clean , lube and maintence. Where ever I go the bike gets admiring looks and many think it's at least a 250 because of it's styling and chunky nature , which is great when it's only a 125. I couldn't have bought a better first bike to get my experience back . I have maintained it though and it is in as-new condition. I'm now ready for the full A licence test so the Zontes did the job for which it was intended and in excellent fashion. If I pass I'd like at least a 500 so am looking at chinese CF Moto 450/650/700 due to the many positive comments below. Having said that , the new version of the trusty Honda CB500X , the NX500 , is calling . My view being that if you move up in the price range you have more to lose. At £3,100 I was prepared to take a punt and it has so far paid off. At £6,000 to £7,000 I might go for a little more surety in the Honda. We'll see. Love the idea of your reliability test on the 350 and will be waiting for the next episode. All the best with the trip sir .
It's a bit of a weird one but my Suzuki Inazuma is a chinese made bike and has been as reliable as my made in Japan FZ1 both have roughly 20k miles i put on them. I suspect they've learned a thing or two with their collaborations and the quality is becoming very similar.....
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerka Of course no doubt about it, but surely there's a point where these factories realise, hmm maybe if we match the quality assurance of our own manufacturers for a more competitive price we can start stealing some market share. It looks like CFMoto are going that way at least.
+1 for Inazuma - I currently have a 2019 (GW250) 11,000 km so far and just purring along. I’m currently working and living in China and the bikes here are really hard to resist, I’m leaning towards the CFMoto 450NK as my next, though my Chinese riding buddy says to wait for the MT - really I want CF to make a scrambler! But Zontes, Voge, Kove , Binelli, QJ etc are all around me - tough choices.
Ive got a WK 125 Trail,2015,bought it second hand for £600 around 6 years ago from a friend..the start button is broken,but it kicks up easily each time.Even after the winter,i heard they are a direct copy of a Honda engine.Its great fun for cheap riding.
I had a Zontes G1 Scrambler as a 125cc alongside a Honda CB125R. I much preferred the Zontes, though I passed my tests so didn’t have it long enough to really comment on longevity or reliability. What I did experience though was very positive. One point though, for new riders. If you get a Chinese 125cc, once you pass you test and want to move it on, most dealers won’t touch it. The one I bought it from did however.
I have worked in the motorcycle industry and one of the most important things as a consumer and motorcycle rider is to know how availability of parts work for your chosen brand. A lot of people are in the mindset of: Oh, I 'll deal with that later... With this mindset you can miss a whole season of riding. With the state of this world is at today, how can you know that Cheng Ping or Ding Dong will be around tomorrow? As a consumer you should think long term, and also not support flooding of shady brands into a market so that the next person will be handed your problems. It's expensive to be poor, because cheap things break more often and it is a vicious cycle. Personally I see the same warning signals with the bike in this video, and this is a brand new bike. If I owned a shop I would make a clear pass on it, because a business has a reputation to think of, and you as a consumer do not. Once you got your money you are on your way so you have to start to understand the importance of responsibility in an adult world. If you screw your customers over, that word will get out very quickly, and especially in this day and age. It's important to have a perspective so that we can grasp the reality of this world and not just see it from our own two feet.
Had my Zontes for a year and 6000 all-weather miles. No corrosion to speak of when I traded it in. Only negative for me was the stock chain which wore pretty quickly requiring regular adjustment.
Spain and back is a decent ride, but pretty standard for us Aussies! I’ve ridden my 97 Sportster from Melbourne to Brisbane and back four times in the last decade. Round trips of 2500 to 3500 miles, once you add on the detours to look at whatever takes your fancy on the way up or back and other incidental riding once you get to the Gold Coast, or Brisbane City. Long distance riding downunder usually means 800 kms (500 miles) in a day, at least. Anything less is a jaunt. I was born in England, but grew up in NZ and lived in Oz since my 20’s. This place is BIG! Melbourne to Brisbane on the most direct route is 1757km, or just under 1200 miles. And that is STILL not halfway up the east coast. A mate of mine has done what we call; The Big Lap, which is a complete circuit of the country. He took his trusty 2009 Bonneville. This would be like riding down to Morocco, across to Egypt, curve round through Turkey, up through Ukraine to Norway before heading back to Blighty. THAT’S a long road trip. That said, I would rather buy a bike from Royal Enfield than any chinese maker, for the simple reason that RE has been making bikes for longer than even Triumph and you just can’t beat experience, no matter how many electronic gizmos you shove on a bike.
I don’t know why everybody likes all this electrical stuff on their motorcycles. Got a 72 CB 750 still runs. Got a 75 CT 70 still runs. Sold is 78 hawk 400 still runs. Why people want all this electrical stuff to distract them from looking at the road is scary.
Greetings from Greece. After 5,5 years and 32300km my zontes X310 still commutes me around Athens with the original chain on. I asked the mechanic if i had to change this or the back gear and he said "no, its ok" Afew minor issues in guarantee and in some really cold weather a check engine sign. I think it is the efi. Never checked the error code. Also sometimes if i stalled it could not keep the revs and died.The solution to this is to turn off the bike, lock it wait a few seconds unlock and problem solved. (Again i think its the efi).
I had the T19 £4600 was a pain electrical problems. Spent 4 weeks in the dealer waiting parts. Clutch failed 1200 miles. Dealer was brilliant though. Sold it and brought a Honda CB500 x.
Battery died but it was the rectifier where the fault was. They are exposed to the weather. The engine management light used to come on as well and would stay on until the 4 th start up. Also one of the headlight led bulbs pointed up into the sky. Comical when it was foggy. I went on one of Nathan Milard’s off road experiences and fell off in a very deep pool only the handle bar end protruding from the water, it took 3 of us to drag it out. Unbelievable but it started 3 rd press of button. The bike is lethal off road even with proper tyres on . Nathan refused to ride it in the end so I had to give up on the off-roading.
I have had a Zontes R310 for about 2 years. I have done almost 10000km without any real problems. My Zontes has the same dash and keyless ignition system as yours. One of the controls has stopped working even though the battery is ok. I press my run button and the green light on the remote flashes twice but nothing else happens. I am using my spare remote now and the green light only flashes once while the bike recognises the remote.
I bought a Sinnis terrain 125 as my first bike. Was a third off with 220 miles. Battery was rubbish and Sinnis dealer servicing poor, in my opinion. The bike was great though. It did a 300 mile round trip in sleet and 50 mph winds. That was prep for a tour culminating in a 380 mile dash back from the Lake District. Struggled to get above 55mph but was loaded with kit and sat at 9,000rpm all day!
Chinabike rider here. If you stick with the higher-end Chinabikes (i.e., CFMoto, Kove, GPX, Kayo), then they are equivalent to their Japanese counterparts. Cheaper Chinese stuff can be ok after you work out all of the “bugs”. I have a Hawk 250 with 15,000 miles on it and after working out all of the quirks for the first 1000 miles, it’s been as reliable as any Japanese bike I’ve owned.
My Herald 250 Maverick has done almost 10.000 miles in the year I've owned it, and most of that has been on green lanes, and riding the tarmac between them, sometimes a 300 mile round trip. It hasn't bent or broken yet and I've stuffed it plenty of times. When it does go wrong there isn't a single spare part available so it will be a case of finding parts from other bikes that are the same fit. If it ever needed new valves or a rebore, then the bike would be a scrapper. It's loads of fun and half the price of a proper bike, but very disposable.
Saw the heading Chinese bike was not sure but having watched it I am looking forward to more vids.i do like the Bennett coverage plus I am insured with them so I should not have doubted their channel and rate them as very good and easy to deal with .
Great video, i have the GK350. It's my first bike and so far, its has 10000km and i have no complaints. Even use the sliders as leg rests from time to time. I actually had the same problem with the sensor(or at least it looks like the same problem), though they weren't able to figure out at the time what was wrong, this was 6 months ago though. Need to show them your video.
Get them to check the EFI ECU under the tail - there might be a grounding wire just zip tied on! Please do join our BikeSocial Facebook Group as it'd be great to have you there. facebook.com/groups/bikesocial
As I said elsewhere, from 2019 onwards quality is rarely an issue. Where the problem lies is that the factories are poor at distributior selection, just selling to a buyer. This means that parts supply can be terrible, amplifying small problems into big ones.
I was an early adopter on these Chinese bikes 15 years ago, my bike was a honda125r replica, I tightened every bolt cos they were loose but other than that I stuck 18k miles on it in two years, no issues at all and ,115 mpg. My brother had the real Honda CBR and my bike was just as quick and more frugal.
I had a leeway rkf 125. It turned heads, styling like a KTM. It sat on bigger wheels than those thin things you usually see on a 125. The issue came from local garages who wouldn't touch it!!
what is the term you are using at 13:51 - 13-57 about the batteries storage? Cell 'fading' cell 'fated'? I couldn't catch what he was saying. Can anyone decipher for me please.
As a technician who worked in a Zontes dealer for three years, I can say YES... You made a mistake. They look good, seem high spec and to be fair , the motor is strong and reliable. However, under the skin they're very cheap and tacky and rust faster than a Transit van in the Dead Sea. Is it value for money for a brand new bike. Yes, it is. It is worth £4000 in a market where you can a plethora of quality well made used Motorcycles which will last FOREVER for the same money, absolutely not !!! The chain and sprockets will wear very fast and guess what, no one makes aftermarket sprockets. I'll give in 6 months before it won't start with its junk telematics, your fuel cap won't open and it cuts out randonly. And just wait until you need a new battery. Which is a custom size only made by Zontes and costs £90 for a battery worth £3. Enjoy it while you can. And sell it after 12 months before it turns into a cash sucking dustbin. You should have taken that £4000 and bought something like a used 660 Tenere or similar. But I appreicate you bought it for TH-cam. I do find it insane that people still think that because something is NEW, it will be relaible. Yes the Chinese CAN make quality. But no one can make a quality motorcycle and sell it for £4000 unless it's mostly made of crap. It's very simple economics.
Absolutely spot on. I’m sick to the back teeth of other TH-camrs singing the praises of these crap Chinese bikes. If I want a bike made of Kit Kat wrappers and smarties lids I’d do it myself.
I ran a Zontes ZT310T 2 for a year (spoked wheel version) and was impressed by the build quality in general and the performance. I installed a pair of small Denali spots powered from the connectors fitted for that purpose at the front left below the tank. (The spots cost about 10% the price of the bike 🤣). My only real niggles were that the seat tended to push me forward and that the "rear ABS warning" light would occasionally come on on the dash, but would go away again. The phone connection to get navigation didn't work on European models at that time, so I also installed a Zumo XT. Overall a nice bike, BUT when I wanted to sell it to buy an RE Classic 350 I found that absolutely nobody wanted to buy it, even at 50% of the new price for a year old low-mileage bike. I ended up practically giving it away to the dealer in part-ex. Never again.
I bought a new Lexmoto 125 last year. Constantly had to get it fixed, taken to the shop. Multiple things went wrong with it to the point that I only actually had about 2 weeks use out of it after 6 months. Then I got a Yamaha r125- 0 issues, never again
A friend of mine sold his Diesel Enfield on which he traveled many times from Germany to Russia and as far as Vladivostok and bought the exact same model…. I did sent him the link to this video and maybe he shows up and will comment on his experience.
I had a cheap Chinese 150cc purchased in 2008, road it for about two years and 4,000 miles before giving it to my father in law. $1300 USD delivered. larger "touring" body style (at 6'7" that was a bit better than the little one), To me on my ONE experience, it seemed the mechanicals were ok/ the one issue was the seat release cables fell off rather quickly/ but other than that it was pretty ok. So, perhaps you get a bit more than you pay for in life/ but it ran respectably. Fair note on the :Chinglish style manual, I studied Mandarin at the MTC in Taipei for three years long long ago.
I own the GK version of this bike for over a year, using it in all weathers and it's been brilliant. The only issue is the TPM (tyre pressure monitor) warning that always showing on the screen. Ali express will be your best friend if you want to add any extra accessories.
I bought a Huoniao HN125-8 in 2015 brand new for a laugh. It was £700 for the bike, plus reg, tax and insurance I think it was all in for around £900.... Which is insanely cheap for a 125. Tyres were terrible, changed them instantly. The engine was just exactly the honda block and looked after it lasted. Everything else was cheap to maintain and no problems at all really. I sold it to a m.c. rider school... They bought 4 more. God that thing was cheap and nasty in a few ways, but i never had an issue and it was fun. No idea.what chinese bikes are like now, this video just reminded me of that.
I bought a Royal Alloy TG300 Scooter allegedly built in China? I took it back to the dealer 30 days later, the thing was falling apart! Bought a Vespa GTS300 instead, apart from a couple of minor things (Fuel Gauge and Fuel Pump Recall) that the dealer sorted - much much better and only cost £250 more!
Great video, John. Have watched several others and have now happily subscribed. Looking forward to your upcoming trip through France and Spain. Thanks!
I had Cheng shin tyres on my cb550four in the '80s. It would spin the wheel in 4th gear in the wet while accelerating. I used to say Cheng shin was Chinese for cheap shit. Glad to hear they've improved since then. They were terrifying on a wet road. Tread pattern was a copy of an Avon roadrunner. Showing my age there!
KTM/Husky moved their line to China. Are those not Chinese made bikes too? Volvo too. When these big companies move production to China, their production patents and processes are replicated immediately. Clones and nearly identical models hit the market in no time. Same w/ all China manufacturing. Not just a moto problem.
Putting aside the bike being Chinese (for a moment), there’s a lot of little things to dislike about it. All of the stuff like the steering lock, the seat release, excessive amount of things beeping, poor lights etc all just add up to me. You could have one of the new Triumph 400cc bikes for not much more money than this, with a better dealer network and your bike would have a respectable resale value too. And there’s no way I’m giving my Google account details to an unknown app on the Android store… just because it’s on the store is no guarantee of anything.
Would be awesome if you had any way of doing oil particle contamination analysis. Fortnine did one a few years ago and chose one chinese bike at random and then didn't mention anything about the bike except how bad the analysis result was. Would be nice to know how good this one did in this kind of test.
I have a 36 year old Honda VTZ250 that I use to commute every day. I doubt the Zontes will still be on the road in 30 years time, nice as it is.........
In some third world countries Suzuki shares it's dealership network with some chinese brands like Zontes and Haojue and both seem very good, people like them a lot. Plus, Haojue made a lot of the lower cc bikes for Suzuki since the 90s and those were very barebones but super reliable
My main problem with that is that it's way over-thought. I do not like the electrically operated releases on the seat, tank and such. I wouldn't want them even on a $30,000 bike. Cables work fine, electrics break and fail.
I think this is a great idea & then we will know the reality of Chinese bike ownership. Some of the comments do amuse me though as a large volume of motorcycle parts are made in China for both European & Japanese brands. As for reliability, will it be any worse than a premium brand, time will tell but often owner complaints are a result of poor dealer or manufacturer response when a problem arises.
If you'd like to make a donation to Magpas air ambulance, here's the link www.justgiving.com/page/bennetts-magpas-2024-1704812646441 Thanks VERY much, John
This is my own experience with a Zontes 310m scooter. I'm over 50 and have been driving Japanese motorcycles all my life. Currently owning a cbr1000rr and this Chinese machine. This is my take on it after 17k km's of commuting. A daily mix of city, 90km/h and 120km/h roads.
Positives: it has been mechanically flawless, good practical class leading performance, faster then i expected, no ctv issues. Consumption around 3.2L/100km. Excellent fueling by the Bosch injection. Good build and paint quality. Nothing came loose, thick plastics, no creaking sounds. Good wind and rain protection with little buffeting. Short wheel base, light weight and 14 inch front wheel make it maneuverable while it remains stable and confident at 130km/h
Things to consider: i find the rear suspension dampening to be rather firm. It is personal thing if you like that or not. I like a sportier driving style instead of a wobblier but more comfortable one. Changing the oil viscosity in the damper is always a low cost solution.
Things that could be better: main light beam is weak, high beam is ok. Standard tires are not that good in rainy conditions. Remote key works perfectly, until your fob battery dies. Keep a spare in your wallet.
The bad: Chinese bikes have a bad reputation as can clearly be seen in the comments. Even if quality has improved significantly the last 5 years. This has a important influence on resale value. Keep that in mind.
Conclusion: would I buy this again? Absolutely yes. It's more fun to drive than the other maxi scooters I have tried, X-max, T-max, Forza, BMW 400 (also a Chinese scooter made by Voge). It's more narrow and it's steering characteristics make it very good at filtering. It makes economical sense. Low consumption and low maintenance costs. A CVT belt only costs 22 euro shipped by example.
This is fantastic, thanks so much! If possible, it'd be great to have you join our Facebook group and share some pictures. Cheers, John
No, but I made a £18,000 mistake 😢 I bought a harley davidson pan america specia,l the most unreliable bke I've owed in 50+ years of riding. Avoid at any price it's utter garbage.😢❤
Harley’s are terrible. Especially if u wanna go far. And the alarm never stops. Buy an older one in good shape. New bikes quality is low. In last 5 years. Even when I order new parts. Half of them are garbage. Out of the box
Not my experience gentlemen I own a 2022 Pan America Special 1250 and the bike is awesome in every respect.
@kencarrcarr3751
I wish I could have had your experience. As when it works, it's great. Unfortunately, my experience with my bike is that's not very often.
@@aridlington2782 Sorry to hear that but it sounds like you should get in contact with HD UK directly and demand action as your dealer must be seriously incompetent after all you have a three year warranty. Putting things into perspective regarding new bikes and reliability problems I have a buddy who bought a brand new BMW GS 1250 back in 2022 and the bike has left him stranded broken down on the roadside waiting for a recovery van not once but twice needless to say he was somewhat pissed off so after blowing his lid with the dealer they eventually sorted it out good luck.
@kencarrcarr3751 it is currently in the hands of a solicitor, I have rejected it as not being fit for purpose. My contract is with the supplying dealer, so hopefully, it will get sorted. When it works, it's a good bike H D should never have released it in this state.
At last someone doing a long-term review Thanks guys
Cheers! Seems the only way to do it properly. All the best, John
*Sure. To verify what we've already surmised.*
This bike has years in other parts of the world, In Argentina for example, theres a guy called Martin who clocked 103,000km on his Zontes. video published by "El pai" here on youtube. cheers 👋
With Chinese bikes long term is 10,000 miles and then all the problems start coming in
Shoulda got a cfmoto
I don’t care where it’s made, after 52 years of riding,m the very LAST thing I want is an electronic gizmo on two wheels. Petrol caps that screw on and off work just fine, why bugger them up with electronics? And I neither want nor need a mini iPad sitting where my Speedo should be.
Snap too many things to go wrong I will stick with my 38 year old Honda GB500TT never missed abeat
lol ok boomer… go to bed … we are busy with our electric gizmos 🙄
Brexiteers love to moan and complain over everything
My mates Datsun handbook from 1968 “insert metal in hole. Rotate metal to commencement engine. If engine fails to commence, battery may be horizontal”. Nice to see that the chap who wrote this has found work in China
Brilliant!
Fella got paid handsomely too. 😂
It doesn't matter if it's a piece of crap here in the Philippines as long as it's bigger than the Smith's bike and makes more noise!
Today it's easy. Translate the text to Japanese in Google Translate and swap language 4 - 6 times. Out comes:"Insert metal into the hole. Rotate the metal to start the engine. If the engine does not start, the battery level may be low" which easily translates into: "Insert key into the keyhole. Rotate the key to start the engine. If the engine does not start, the battery level may be low."
Every item you own and buy is made in China. I have a Zontes ZT 125 for a year now, I love it.
Excellent - thanks! Make sure you join our Facebook group as it'll be handy to speak to people with them. Cheers, John
No it isn't.
Moto Mag here in France has been running this Zontes for well over a year as a long termer. It’s done thousands of kms and travelled to multiple countries without missing a beat. Unbreakable and surprisingly capable.
A friend of mine and her husband did the NC500 with us on her Zontes in 2022, it never skipped a beat, took a battering on some of gnarlier single track roads, out performed her husband's GS 300, I was on a S1000XR my mate on a GSA1200, apart from the Motorway it held it's own, looking forward to further episodes.
Lad at work has a little 125 rides it every day..in all weather down a crappy road to get there.. three years solud, I am absolutely amazed how it keeps going.
Very true. There is absolutely no consistency from one bike to the next. Some only manage a handful of miles before totally dying of an illness that the dealers can never fix, while others go on for years despite living with serious neglect.
Nathan the postman really put the Voge through its paces to the alps n back from new no service, no problem, enjoy yourself.
I respect unbiased content creators like you. i have a 125cc chinese underbone that is 12 years old. still runs good. doesnt even rust because it got aluminum mags and handle bar and monoshock unlike the expensive big 4 125 cc underbone that has disposable rim and junk shop handle bars and cheap bulb. expect leading brand 125 cc underbone will be rusted after a year if it got cheap parts.
I had a Zontes zt125g1 which was the best bike I'd ever owned for reliability, comfort and economy. It sat outside all year round,on the coast subject to sea spray and high winds. It took me from Shetland to Somerset and back via Cumbria and Wales without a hitch. Topped out at 75mph but cruised happily at 65 mph. I got nearly 400 miles without needing to refuel and could have gone much further. Only drawback was obviously lack of power in high winds and steep hills, hence the move to a 500 honda, and I really regret part exchanging my Zontes. Having both bikes would have been great. If I had the money I would have kept the Zontes and had a 750x honda too. By the way I'm in my 60s , 190lbs and 6ft. That's just as reference for riding a 125cc bike and touring on it. Great video as usual
(I do all the minor repairs and maintenance on my Son’s Suzuki collection) but he also kept his original Learner bike from 2016 which is a Chinese Keeway Superlight chopper/cruiser. I can honestly say it’s the most reliable and comfortable all day commuter/cruiser I’ve ever ridden! £2500 new on the road..
Late 2022 I had a Zontes 125 in prep for a bigger bike. I had nothing to compare it with but it was brilliant as a first bike. Having passed my test in November 2022 I bought the CF Moto 650MT. I did two tours of Scotland, two of Wales, various trips to the lakes and not a single issue occurred in over 7K miles. I now have Tracer 7GT and I can say the build quality of the CF was as good as the Yamaha. £5k new as opposed to £9k is something to consider.
Cheers for this! All the best, John
I have 2 Harleys but my go to for everything except highway is my Zontes 310v. No problems in 3 years.
Great to hear! Please do join our Facebook group so we can talk more about it. Cheers, John
It'd be interesting to know depreciation and how much of that £4k you'll see again. That is where the true cost of Chinese bikes is IMHO...
I’m a CBT instructor and the company I’m working for have 3 125 Zentos scrambler we have had them for 2 years and what they are unbelievable what a nice bike, all the students say how nice the bikes are and yes I do ride them and if I was 17 again this is what I would buy
Please do join our FB group as it's be great to have you on there
Zentos or Zontes? Sorry, but I'm not convinced, I rather stick to old japanese bikes. And that was already opinion 25 years ago.
@@ellouco1020 well these "jap" 125s aren't japenese. They're built in india, Vietnam, Indonesia, italy and China.
@@ellouco1020you sound just like all the old boys in the 60s when jap bikes landed....now everyone swears by them. Keep dissing chinese bikes, ive got one and its as good as any jap bike ive owned or ridden.
Thanks for the shout out John! Love that you're gonna test it out on this bike. I had a lexmoto 125 and was great to learn on. I had no issues with mine but have heard some horror storys. Will be very interesting to see how you get on with one and how they perform over time.
Cheers! All the best, John
Very nice review, very interesting and informative. I was the first person to review the CFMoto 800MT from the UK or Ireland two years ago (the video is on my channel somewhere, I just happened to be in Rhodes just after it had come out on the continent, so I rented it myself - it was just luck that I happened to be the 'first' UK/Ireland based person to grab a phone and GoPro and do a video review on it, though it does have over 20k views!), but it opened my eyes big time to how Chinese motorcycles had progressed at that point, so I'm very curious to see how the other brands have progressed in the two years since. Will be definitely be following along with this one - Cheers!
I bought a brand new Zontes ZT125-U in 2020 and I had to have the oxygen sensor replaced under warranty within a month of having it and then the side-stand sensor literally a week before the warranty ran our done. Apart from that, it ran flawlessly and I put 4,000 miles on it and used it as a winter commuter and everything. It really did alright and I sold it at the end of 2023 for a fair price. I can't say much bad about Zontes at all.
This is an excellent preview of what to do when purchasing a [near-] new bike. I've lived in Cambodia for 32 years and, in that time, have owned over 40 bikes, from Taiwanese, Korean, Indian, Chinese and Italian - the remainder being Japanese. I'd say, overall, there's little to fear from a non-Japanese buy - btw, there's a Zontes dealership 400 meters from my home and they have the 350T on sale for US$4249 - again, the price differential is only obvious for reasons of ASEAN import tax deductions and proximity to the source of production. I look forward to all your travails and trust everything works out; you certainly have done your homework
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Hello! Have you ever asked the Zontes service what to look out for with 310s? I have an r310, I hope it will be reliable. It has 5,000 km so far and I took a chance on a Chinese engine because it was written that Zones is a good manufacturer.
the hard part is finding a garage that will work on Chinese bike most of them wont touch them I found that out when I owned a lexmoto about 5 years ago
New chinese vs used japanese? I’m always picking the japanese.
you are so right
Used Japanese anyday . Even if I get brand new Chinese for free , Imma sell it and buy new or used Japanese/Italian
Yes so right
Na. I work on chinese bikes and jap bikes are falling apart. Ybr is the worst.
Japanease reliability is unparlleled they run like new for entire life of the vehicle and possibility of breakdown is literally no
I’ve owned a CF150 2014 model and just sold 4 months and never had any trouble and serviced 6 monthly and tyres replaced every 2 years and front brake pads twice.still going with new owner
For me,there is so much stuff made in China these days that it's probably not the gamble it used to be.Really looking forward to seeing how your purchase pans out...liked and thanks as always..
Thanks for watching! Lots to come on this. Cheers, John
Too true, I don’t know if you remember Gok Wan going to China and visiting clothing factories showing jeans for very high end (translated means stupid money) fashion brand companies being made alongside lines in the same factory to those going to supermarkets , snobbery around goods birthplace is a result of the public being gaslighted by global corporations trying to maximise their profits
Assuming that to be true, the insurance premiums and resale value/holding its value cant be great due to the nature of the stigma from where it was manufactured.
What people don't understand is China IS capable of making decent stuff but it comes down to price, a bike that is half the price of the competition is cheap for a reason, it's made of poor quality materials so does the job.. but only for a relatively short time 😂
We all know the underhand business the Chinese do, not complying with copyright,
Claiming parts made from high quality 7075 aluminium only to find its nothing of the sort etc
It is always Parts Availability through a Parts and Dealer Network that makes or kills any imported motorcycle.. no matter how well made. In the US Bridgestone, Lilac/Marusho, Tohatsu, Royal Enfield and Matchless ( in 60's) and SAS, all failed because the parts stream and service were simply rare or not there. If you buy a machine from a guy who also sells Lawn Mowers, and cordless vibrators... you bike is just as good as your time untill something fails. Then you have a lawn ornament.
I've got a Chinese Pioneer 125 2006 I got 3 years ago for the grand price of 650 euro, with new tyres, brake refurb etc. it's been reliable minor electrical problems, it starts on the button a bit under powered Honda CG clone cruises quite happily at 60 to 70 kph. The frame might be made from gas tubing but it's solid.
Good stuff. Much better than another new bike release video. Enjoy the trip.
Cheers! Hopefully will be interesting, and not for the wrong reasons! All the best, John
Sensors to tell you what's gone wrong - only for you to find it's the sensor itself. Electronic seat and petrol cap openers.... what could possibly go wrong!? I wouldn't dream of buying something like this.
OH WOW!! You're ticking all the boxed with this one 😎
✅ Oxford Lights
✅ AIO-5 Lite
✅ Xontes Bike
Can't wait to see the upcoming videos. Thanks!
I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding the Chunnel. It's a loooong time since I took that route, but I remember feeling frazzled every time I did because there's really no pause in your journey. You don't even save anything on the cost, and you arrive a good 100km further north than any of the other crossings.
My personal preference is for the Newhaven-Dieppe route. It's a slightly shorter crossing (approx. 5 hours) which means that you get into Dieppe at between 5 and 6 am. For me, that is simply perfect as it means that you get past the heavy traffic around the major cities (Rouen, Paris etc.) before rush hour, but you don't arrive so early that there are no manned fuel stations.
I would also like to add that DFDS, the ferry operator, has some of the best after sales service of any company I have ever had to deal with, they really are that good.
You can stop at the hyper market directly outside the tunnel exit.
@@rushymoto Why would I want to? There are hypermarkets all across France, and most of them are better.Nor does that hypermarket get me 100+km further south, or avoid the complete sh1t show that is going around Paris.
Both Cherbourg and Dieppetake you to parts of France which have MUCH lower traffic densities than the Pas de Calais, and cut at LEAST 100km off the journey to Spain/SW France.
Oh, and the 3 hours closest to Calais are some of the most boring roads in the whole of France.
Doing it on a bike is like going through purgatory, whereas both Cherbourf and Dieppe only leave you with about 1hour of grind before you get to some interesting roads. From Rouen southwards, the roads are a delight, and you get the added benefit of being able to take in one of the medieval world's great wonders; Chartre Cathedral. Even on a windswept, cloud scudding day, Chartre still manages to liftr my spirits, and I don't even believe in any of that cr^p.
So you moan about not having a break by using the tunnel but moan more by saving the time crossing and then using the immediate available mall as soon as you leave the terminal that is for-me-da-bler.
@@rushymoto No, I wasn't moaning because, as I had origiinally pointed out,m I haven't used that crossing for yonks.
Nor do I subscribe to YOUR point that it "saves me time", because it doesn't. That is because the trip from UK to France may be shortened to 25 (?) minutes, I still then have 3 hours of tedium to endure on landing. At least on the Cherbourg or Dieppe routes you have the opportunity to have maybe a beer and a lie down and you start fresh in the morning. I do not consider wandering around some godawful mall in the most boring bit of France as any form of beneficial alternative to getting a spot of shuteye.
As I have pointed out, I wasn't moaning, I was concurring with the alternative whiole pointing out the negatives of the Chunnel.
Even in a car, I avoid the Chunnel. But on a bike I wouldn't even begin to think of the Chunnel unless I was heading well to the east of Paris, going to Germany, maybe.
Even then, I think that my preference would still be Dieppe, and do a run along the Loire and then up into Alsace, or even go down as far as Lyon, then through Switzerland and into Germany that way.
Really, at 60+ years old, I've done the Pas de Calais route enough times to know that there'd have to be extraordinary reasons to face that again.
I use the Chunnel every year. Would never go back to using ferries. Getting into Dover and schlepping through that awful port then navigating their terrible traffic system. Give me Folkestone every time.
Can't wait for your next episode. I own a 350 T2 for one year. So far very reliable ;-)
A red running light on the back of your helmet is much better than one fitted next to bike's rear lamp. Your head is much higher and is visible from way many angles and distances as it's not obscured by cars as often as the lamps at the usual bike level.
I’ve got a 10ten 140, and a slam 250, both most reliable and best bikes I’ve been on,I was same until I got that, they’re reliable and probably best bikes about today, I got 3 brand new bikes for the same as some second hand and new
I Have the Sinnis terrain t380, had it 2 years now, added a few bits and pieces to improve, including a tyre change to Metzeler roadtecs which are cracking, fully dealer serviced and touch wood never had a problem
Please do join our BikeSocial Facebook group as it'd be great to hear more. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial all sorted I've sent a request, thanks
I had a ZT125. Super reliable, nice features on it (ABS, wireless ignition, electronic seat and fuel cap). Only issue I had was the battery going flat in the fob for the wireless ignition system.
I have the Zontes Zt310-T2. This bike is absolutely amazing. I use it for my work as I travel a lot. I've added around almost 9000km within about 3 months. I did a few long distance trips, mud, gravel and hard rain. This bike has been truly amazing. Not a day of issues so far. I'm keen to see what it's going to bring in the coming months
As an FYI, Cheng Shin Tire (CST) is a Taiwanese company and the parent company of Maxxis, a very well respected brand in the motocross and mountain bike world.
Cheers for this!
We have 2 Zontes. My son rides a 125 G1 and I have a 310 A.D.V. It has been glorious to ride and will have done 16,000 by 2 years old and ridden most days and all weathers. It's not sh1t.
I'm seriously thinking about buying a zontes this year, and I know someone who works for zontes, so I'll be following this with interest!
Cheers!
My Giant road bike cost more than that!. So i think for a new rider or a returning rider it doesn't seem bad value even if you have a few issues. Keep up the good work John.
Cheers! All the best, John
Chinglish owners manual, 3000 mile service intervals, check engine light on already, all major red flags already. I’m sick to death of watching other TH-camrs singing the praises of these crap Chinese bikes.
I’ve watched several of your previous videos but this one has earned a subscription.
I can’t wait to see how this story unfolds. 2500 mile trip on this, you’re braver than me !
I’ll stick with my Honda, I’d rather don a rucksack and stick out my thumb than undertake such a trip on that bike !
Thank you and good luck !
Every component is made by the lowest bidder, I'll stick with named and proven brands. I couldn't bring myself to ride it.
Same here, I’d rather pay 2k for a 20 year old Honda than buy a brand new Chinese joke. Yuk yuk yuk.
It depends on the bike/brand you get, these Zontes from my experience of working on one, they are not good, or they were not, they may have improved as others have. Many others probably are not good either, but there are some very good Chinese, and Chinese built Japanese bikes (many parts, engines, and some bikes that you love are, or have been made in China).
I got into riding a little later in life, I decided in 2016, to get my CBT, some gear and a bike to get me going, I could have done my DAS, but be without a bike for some time. So I decided to buy a brand new Keeway RKV 125 (£1700), such a great little bike, looked the part, had all the things you get on expensive Japanese 125's and more, like an actual, accurate fuel gauge 😂
I had it for almost a year before doing my A license, but still rode it around for another ten months after I passed, while saving for my next bike. I never once had one single issue with quality, or the mechanics/electrics of the bike. I now ride an almost 24y/o bike, the massively underrated Kawasaki ZX9r 😎
Chinese made may almost always mean cheap/cheaper, but it doesn't always mean poor quality, they have City size manufacturing plants, they can manufacture multiple vehicles/components at such high rates, without compromising quality, this is why the likes of Suzuki have had some of their most popular bikes made over there.
Now to see what the latest Zontes are like according to this video 😎
What exactly is "chinglish" mate?
What size bike do have most of the Honda's are not made in Japan anymore'
Sound like a adventure, the air ambulance service is a must support
I know someone who bought a Zontes. It was the sport touring version with the 300cc engine in it. He traveled for thousands of km without any problems. The only thing he didn't like was the vibration coming from the engine.
The thing to remember with these Chinese bikes is where they are cheaper, they'll be cheaper for a reason, we really need to remind ourselves these aren't Japanese brand products just sold at a lower margin. The key is understanding where the costs have been cut and then deciding whether we're happy with that.
Where I'm from, Chinese bikes are the only way to get zero mileage bikes with decent cc
Japanese bike's raw material comes from china tho. It's sub-branded.
Learnt to ride on a Zontes G1. Loved it! No issues (did about 2500 miles).
Was tempted by the GK but went with a Himmy in the end.
Your haggling skills are amazing, on a £4000 bike you get a tenner worth of fuel. I got to try this one 😁
Hi John , being a Zontes owner I have to comment on personal experience , as I have done several times on YT about these bikes in the past. I've had the ZT125 U1 for 2 and a half years now which I bought new from Deardens at Holbury in Southampton (the local Zontes dealer). I was returning to biking having retired at 65 and reviewed virtually all 125's on the market before purchase. Honda , Yamaha and Suzuki top brands would have cost approx. £4,600 but I took what most people would consider a 'flyer' on the Chinese bike from Zontes at £3,100. The last couple of years on it have been amazing. I've only done about 2,000 miles but go out on 120 mile day trips as well as local runs , it hasn't missed a beat . I must admit I like my bells and whistles so was attracted to the gizmo's like illuminated switchgear at night and the electric fuel lid pop up. But , consider also that it has Bosch ABS and fuel injection , stainless steel exhaust , keyless fob and in my opinion very good lights at night (LED projector) . I've had no troubles with any of it . I keep the battery on maintenance charger for which Deardens had already fitted the connection wiring. The only thing I keep in my jacket pocket is a spare fob battery in case it dies while I'm out , they are £2.50 each ! I bought the rear bobbins as on your ZT 350 and paddock stands to do chain clean , lube and maintence. Where ever I go the bike gets admiring looks and many think it's at least a 250 because of it's styling and chunky nature , which is great when it's only a 125. I couldn't have bought a better first bike to get my experience back . I have maintained it though and it is in as-new condition. I'm now ready for the full A licence test so the Zontes did the job for which it was intended and in excellent fashion. If I pass I'd like at least a 500 so am looking at chinese CF Moto 450/650/700 due to the many positive comments below. Having said that , the new version of the trusty Honda CB500X , the NX500 , is calling . My view being that if you move up in the price range you have more to lose. At £3,100 I was prepared to take a punt and it has so far paid off. At £6,000 to £7,000 I might go for a little more surety in the Honda. We'll see.
Love the idea of your reliability test on the 350 and will be waiting for the next episode. All the best with the trip sir .
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Love the video NO BS nice coverage so im waiting for the next videos on this bike Thank you keep safe.
Thanks, and you too!
It's a bit of a weird one but my Suzuki Inazuma is a chinese made bike and has been as reliable as my made in Japan FZ1 both have roughly 20k miles i put on them. I suspect they've learned a thing or two with their collaborations and the quality is becoming very similar.....
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerka Of course no doubt about it, but surely there's a point where these factories realise, hmm maybe if we match the quality assurance of our own manufacturers for a more competitive price we can start stealing some market share. It looks like CFMoto are going that way at least.
+1 for Inazuma - I currently have a 2019 (GW250) 11,000 km so far and just purring along. I’m currently working and living in China and the bikes here are really hard to resist, I’m leaning towards the CFMoto 450NK as my next, though my Chinese riding buddy says to wait for the MT - really I want CF to make a scrambler! But Zontes, Voge, Kove , Binelli, QJ etc are all around me - tough choices.
Ive got a WK 125 Trail,2015,bought it second hand for £600 around 6 years ago from a friend..the start button is broken,but it kicks up easily each time.Even after the winter,i heard they are a direct copy of a Honda engine.Its great fun for cheap riding.
I had a Zontes G1 Scrambler as a 125cc alongside a Honda CB125R. I much preferred the Zontes, though I passed my tests so didn’t have it long enough to really comment on longevity or reliability. What I did experience though was very positive. One point though, for new riders. If you get a Chinese 125cc, once you pass you test and want to move it on, most dealers won’t touch it. The one I bought it from did however.
Thanks for this! All the best, John
Had this trade-in experience with my Zontes too. Many dealers still stuck in the 'chinese bikes are rubbish' old trope.
I have worked in the motorcycle industry and one of the most important things as a consumer and motorcycle rider is to know how availability of parts work for your chosen brand. A lot of people are in the mindset of: Oh, I 'll deal with that later...
With this mindset you can miss a whole season of riding. With the state of this world is at today, how can you know that Cheng Ping or Ding Dong will be around tomorrow? As a consumer you should think long term, and also not support flooding of shady brands into a market so that the next person will be handed your problems.
It's expensive to be poor, because cheap things break more often and it is a vicious cycle. Personally I see the same warning signals with the bike in this video, and this is a brand new bike. If I owned a shop I would make a clear pass on it, because a business has a reputation to think of, and you as a consumer do not. Once you got your money you are on your way so you have to start to understand the importance of responsibility in an adult world. If you screw your customers over, that word will get out very quickly, and especially in this day and age.
It's important to have a perspective so that we can grasp the reality of this world and not just see it from our own two feet.
Wise words
Traded my Zontes in for a Himmy cost me £2500..thought was ok.
Had my Zontes for a year and 6000 all-weather miles. No corrosion to speak of when I traded it in. Only negative for me was the stock chain which wore pretty quickly requiring regular adjustment.
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Spain and back!!!
You sir have big knackers
Ha! When I was getting the screen grabs of the maps for this I did question myself...
@@bennettsbikesocial Spain probably has the best dealer network for Zontes in Europe, so if you have any issues, I think you will be fine.
Spain and back is a decent ride, but pretty standard for us Aussies! I’ve ridden my 97 Sportster from Melbourne to Brisbane and back four times in the last decade. Round trips of 2500 to 3500 miles, once you add on the detours to look at whatever takes your fancy on the way up or back and other incidental riding once you get to the Gold Coast, or Brisbane City.
Long distance riding downunder usually means 800 kms (500 miles) in a day, at least. Anything less is a jaunt. I was born in England, but grew up in NZ and lived in Oz since my 20’s. This place is BIG! Melbourne to Brisbane on the most direct route is 1757km, or just under 1200 miles. And that is STILL not halfway up the east coast. A mate of mine has done what we call; The Big Lap, which is a complete circuit of the country. He took his trusty 2009 Bonneville. This would be like riding down to Morocco, across to Egypt, curve round through Turkey, up through Ukraine to Norway before heading back to Blighty. THAT’S a long road trip. That said, I would rather buy a bike from Royal Enfield than any chinese maker, for the simple reason that RE has been making bikes for longer than even Triumph and you just can’t beat experience, no matter how many electronic gizmos you shove on a bike.
@@bennettsbikesocial I’d love to give a run like that a try, can you share your route?
I don’t know why everybody likes all this electrical stuff on their motorcycles. Got a 72 CB 750 still runs. Got a 75 CT 70 still runs. Sold is 78 hawk 400 still runs. Why people want all this electrical stuff to distract them from looking at the road is scary.
Greetings from Greece. After 5,5 years and 32300km my zontes X310 still commutes me around Athens with the original chain on. I asked the mechanic if i had to change this or the back gear and he said "no, its ok" Afew minor issues in guarantee and in some really cold weather a check engine sign. I think it is the efi. Never checked the error code. Also sometimes if i stalled it could not keep the revs and died.The solution to this is to turn off the bike, lock it wait a few seconds unlock and problem solved. (Again i think its the efi).
I had the T19 £4600 was a pain electrical problems. Spent 4 weeks in the dealer waiting parts. Clutch failed 1200 miles. Dealer was brilliant though. Sold it and brought a Honda CB500 x.
Sorry to hear that! What electrical problems were there?
Battery died but it was the rectifier where the fault was. They are exposed to the weather. The engine management light used to come on as well and would stay on until the 4 th start up. Also one of the headlight led bulbs pointed up into the sky. Comical when it was foggy. I went on one of Nathan Milard’s off road experiences and fell off in a very deep pool only the handle bar end protruding from the water, it took 3 of us to drag it out. Unbelievable but it started 3 rd press of button. The bike is lethal off road even with proper tyres on . Nathan refused to ride it in the end so I had to give up on the off-roading.
I have had a Zontes R310 for about 2 years. I have done almost 10000km without any real problems. My Zontes has the same dash and keyless ignition system as yours. One of the controls has stopped working even though the battery is ok. I press my run button and the green light on the remote flashes twice but nothing else happens. I am using my spare remote now and the green light only flashes once while the bike recognises the remote.
I bought a Sinnis terrain 125 as my first bike. Was a third off with 220 miles. Battery was rubbish and Sinnis dealer servicing poor, in my opinion. The bike was great though. It did a 300 mile round trip in sleet and 50 mph winds. That was prep for a tour culminating in a 380 mile dash back from the Lake District. Struggled to get above 55mph but was loaded with kit and sat at 9,000rpm all day!
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Chinabike rider here. If you stick with the higher-end Chinabikes (i.e., CFMoto, Kove, GPX, Kayo), then they are equivalent to their Japanese counterparts. Cheaper Chinese stuff can be ok after you work out all of the “bugs”. I have a Hawk 250 with 15,000 miles on it and after working out all of the quirks for the first 1000 miles, it’s been as reliable as any Japanese bike I’ve owned.
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My Herald 250 Maverick has done almost 10.000 miles in the year I've owned it, and most of that has been on green lanes, and riding the tarmac between them, sometimes a 300 mile round trip. It hasn't bent or broken yet and I've stuffed it plenty of times. When it does go wrong there isn't a single spare part available so it will be a case of finding parts from other bikes that are the same fit. If it ever needed new valves or a rebore, then the bike would be a scrapper. It's loads of fun and half the price of a proper bike, but very disposable.
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Saw the heading Chinese bike was not sure but having watched it I am looking forward to more vids.i do like the Bennett coverage plus I am insured with them so I should not have doubted their channel and rate them as very good and easy to deal with .
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Great video, i have the GK350. It's my first bike and so far, its has 10000km and i have no complaints. Even use the sliders as leg rests from time to time. I actually had the same problem with the sensor(or at least it looks like the same problem), though they weren't able to figure out at the time what was wrong, this was 6 months ago though. Need to show them your video.
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As I said elsewhere, from 2019 onwards quality is rarely an issue. Where the problem lies is that the factories are poor at distributior selection, just selling to a buyer. This means that parts supply can be terrible, amplifying small problems into big ones.
I was an early adopter on these Chinese bikes 15 years ago, my bike was a honda125r replica, I tightened every bolt cos they were loose but other than that I stuck 18k miles on it in two years, no issues at all and ,115 mpg. My brother had the real Honda CBR and my bike was just as quick and more frugal.
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Half way through the video and it seems everything will be covered in future. So leaving the video now
(1st time watcing your video)
I had a Zontes G-1, cracking little bike
Chinese bike isn’t bad. The problem with this bike is parts availability
I had a leeway rkf 125. It turned heads, styling like a KTM. It sat on bigger wheels than those thin things you usually see on a 125. The issue came from local garages who wouldn't touch it!!
Had a. Trx502 for a couple of years, 8k miles, very reliable and very happy with it❤
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what is the term you are using at 13:51 - 13-57 about the batteries storage? Cell 'fading' cell 'fated'? I couldn't catch what he was saying. Can anyone decipher for me please.
Sorry... I was saying 'sulphated' but it did sound odd!
As a technician who worked in a Zontes dealer for three years, I can say YES... You made a mistake. They look good, seem high spec and to be fair , the motor is strong and reliable. However, under the skin they're very cheap and tacky and rust faster than a Transit van in the Dead Sea. Is it value for money for a brand new bike. Yes, it is. It is worth £4000 in a market where you can a plethora of quality well made used Motorcycles which will last FOREVER for the same money, absolutely not !!! The chain and sprockets will wear very fast and guess what, no one makes aftermarket sprockets.
I'll give in 6 months before it won't start with its junk telematics, your fuel cap won't open and it cuts out randonly. And just wait until you need a new battery. Which is a custom size only made by Zontes and costs £90 for a battery worth £3.
Enjoy it while you can. And sell it after 12 months before it turns into a cash sucking dustbin. You should have taken that £4000 and bought something like a used 660 Tenere or similar. But I appreicate you bought it for TH-cam.
I do find it insane that people still think that because something is NEW, it will be relaible. Yes the Chinese CAN make quality. But no one can make a quality motorcycle and sell it for £4000 unless it's mostly made of crap. It's very simple economics.
Absolutely spot on. I’m sick to the back teeth of other TH-camrs singing the praises of these crap Chinese bikes. If I want a bike made of Kit Kat wrappers and smarties lids I’d do it myself.
I ran a Zontes ZT310T 2 for a year (spoked wheel version) and was impressed by the build quality in general and the performance. I installed a pair of small Denali spots powered from the connectors fitted for that purpose at the front left below the tank. (The spots cost about 10% the price of the bike 🤣). My only real niggles were that the seat tended to push me forward and that the "rear ABS warning" light would occasionally come on on the dash, but would go away again. The phone connection to get navigation didn't work on European models at that time, so I also installed a Zumo XT. Overall a nice bike, BUT when I wanted to sell it to buy an RE Classic 350 I found that absolutely nobody wanted to buy it, even at 50% of the new price for a year old low-mileage bike. I ended up practically giving it away to the dealer in part-ex. Never again.
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All that electronics on a little bigger moped... just to make your life harder
Well done, it’s certainly going to be interesting to see how you get on. 👍
Thanks! All the best, John
EXCELLENT VID as usual, I’ll be keeping an eye on this series and keen to see how it fairs out.
I’m sure this is all fascinating but can’t concentrate, because I’m trying to work out how you got the bike across your workshop like that 🤔
Ha! You're the second person to ask that. I just dragged it. This is a relatively light bike so it's easier than some others!
I bought a new Lexmoto 125 last year. Constantly had to get it fixed, taken to the shop. Multiple things went wrong with it to the point that I only actually had about 2 weeks use out of it after 6 months. Then I got a Yamaha r125- 0 issues, never again
A friend of mine sold his Diesel Enfield on which he traveled many times from Germany to Russia and as far as Vladivostok and bought the exact same model….
I did sent him the link to this video and maybe he shows up and will comment on his experience.
A friend had the g155 for two years in thw rain and dust with no rust or problems of any sort.....but it was maintained as a bike should
I had a cheap Chinese 150cc purchased in 2008, road it for about two years and 4,000 miles before giving it to my father in law. $1300 USD delivered. larger "touring" body style (at 6'7" that was a bit better than the little one), To me on my ONE experience, it seemed the mechanicals were ok/ the one issue was the seat release cables fell off rather quickly/ but other than that it was pretty ok. So, perhaps you get a bit more than you pay for in life/ but it ran respectably.
Fair note on the :Chinglish style manual, I studied Mandarin at the MTC in Taipei for three years long long ago.
I own the GK version of this bike for over a year, using it in all weathers and it's been brilliant. The only issue is the TPM (tyre pressure monitor) warning that always showing on the screen. Ali express will be your best friend if you want to add any extra accessories.
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I bought a Huoniao HN125-8 in 2015 brand new for a laugh. It was £700 for the bike, plus reg, tax and insurance I think it was all in for around £900.... Which is insanely cheap for a 125. Tyres were terrible, changed them instantly. The engine was just exactly the honda block and looked after it lasted. Everything else was cheap to maintain and no problems at all really. I sold it to a m.c. rider school... They bought 4 more.
God that thing was cheap and nasty in a few ways, but i never had an issue and it was fun. No idea.what chinese bikes are like now, this video just reminded me of that.
I really like the lever protectors you used on your BMW XR. Would you [please tell me what brand they are so I can order some ?
Cheers, Mate. Bob
They're from Evotech Performance (beware of fakes). evotech-performance.com/
I bought a Royal Alloy TG300 Scooter allegedly built in China? I took it back to the dealer 30 days later, the thing was falling apart! Bought a Vespa GTS300 instead, apart from a couple of minor things (Fuel Gauge and Fuel Pump Recall) that the dealer sorted - much much better and only cost £250 more!
Great video, John. Have watched several others and have now happily subscribed. Looking forward to your upcoming trip through France and Spain. Thanks!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
The Multistrada V4S and V4 Rally wont connect to the Pixel 7 the question is will the Chinese fix the problem before the Italians?
It's ridiculous that these issues are with what should be the most 'pure' Android device. I plan to go back to Samsung after this.
@@bennettsbikesocial same here back to Samsung next time.
I had Cheng shin tyres on my cb550four in the '80s. It would spin the wheel in 4th gear in the wet while accelerating. I used to say Cheng shin was Chinese for cheap shit. Glad to hear they've improved since then. They were terrifying on a wet road. Tread pattern was a copy of an Avon roadrunner. Showing my age there!
They are Taiwanese, not Chinese.
Their car brand is Maxxis.
I got a mgb atx 125 with 700 miles on clock got from new I’ve now been waiting nearly 4 weeks for a new ignition switch to be fitted under warranty
KTM/Husky moved their line to China. Are those not Chinese made bikes too? Volvo too. When these big companies move production to China, their production patents and processes are replicated immediately. Clones and nearly identical models hit the market in no time. Same w/ all China manufacturing. Not just a moto problem.
Putting aside the bike being Chinese (for a moment), there’s a lot of little things to dislike about it. All of the stuff like the steering lock, the seat release, excessive amount of things beeping, poor lights etc all just add up to me. You could have one of the new Triumph 400cc bikes for not much more money than this, with a better dealer network and your bike would have a respectable resale value too. And there’s no way I’m giving my Google account details to an unknown app on the Android store… just because it’s on the store is no guarantee of anything.
Would be awesome if you had any way of doing oil particle contamination analysis. Fortnine did one a few years ago and chose one chinese bike at random and then didn't mention anything about the bike except how bad the analysis result was. Would be nice to know how good this one did in this kind of test.
Have already spoken to Rock Oil and the plan is to do it before the 3,000 mile service. Cheers, John
I have a 36 year old Honda VTZ250 that I use to commute every day. I doubt the Zontes will still be on the road in 30 years time, nice as it is.........
Great review John, looking forward to the next vids.
Thanks 👍
In some third world countries Suzuki shares it's dealership network with some chinese brands like Zontes and Haojue and both seem very good, people like them a lot. Plus, Haojue made a lot of the lower cc bikes for Suzuki since the 90s and those were very barebones but super reliable
My main problem with that is that it's way over-thought. I do not like the electrically operated releases on the seat, tank and such. I wouldn't want them even on a $30,000 bike. Cables work fine, electrics break and fail.
I bought a Lifan 200cc Enduro bike in 2007 here in the US. Very reliable. I rode over 50,000 miles.
I think this is a great idea & then we will know the reality of Chinese bike ownership. Some of the comments do amuse me though as a large volume of motorcycle parts are made in China for both European & Japanese brands. As for reliability, will it be any worse than a premium brand, time will tell but often owner complaints are a result of poor dealer or manufacturer response when a problem arises.
Agreed! We'll have to see how this pans out. So far so good though. Cheers, John
I have a gpx tse250r 2 stroke .done 1000 miles green laning .not 1 problem .also have a tuareg 660 .