Ridiculous- non binary?? I think these terms need to be put back in their box and sent back to Judith Butler at Berkley college, completely bizarre that we even have to entertain this silliness. Well done for trying to take it seriously 🙄
Thank you for speaking up! As someone who taught for 31 years and left teaching only recently I've been really really concerned about how this ideology has taken hold. It's so regressive.
Thank you for standing up for truth and reason. I find it frightening how far this ideology has marched through our institutions unchecked with no evidence to back up its claims. Our institutions have capitulated one after another so as not to appear bigoted and their lack of scrutiny of this ideology has harmed who knows how many children as well as women’s and gay rights
I think in part this happens because people wrongly believe it to be an extension of gay rights, when that couldn't be further from the truth, it's homophobic and harmful.
I find you’re fetishisation of facts weird when you ignore the scientific consensus on the topic. Then you have no evidence of any harm that this is doing. Stop affirming your beliefs and challenge yourself.
I cannot express how amazing you have been throughout all this. You are clearly working very hard and you are excellent at unpicking this. Thank you so much for having the courage to speak up with such confidence. Please keep going.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! What an excellent speech. You are clearly very well briefed and know this subject as well as any genuine expert in this field. We know that the parents we represent will be greatly heartened knowing that they have a champion in Parliament who is able to present their views with such clarity and authority.
@@alisonwren3624 Many true experts are living on a shoestring at the moment, fighting this hard. Graham Linehan is one of them. The people who are part of the gender industry are the ones making big money, exploiting the pain of children and vulnerable people, many of whom are autistic / same-sex attracted😠 Miriam Cates has seriously done her homework. I am so impressed with her handle on this subject.
I am following this closely and know you have stood up to trans authoritarianism too, Kevin Lister. Thank you so much for making a stand. Hope you are doing ok. Please do reach out if we can help you (crowdfunding etc).
I'll never vote Conservative but I applaud Ms Cates very loudly indeed. Thank goodness that the level of institutional, procedural, regulatory and legal scrutiny which overshadows the prescribing of any trans related hormonal therapies being prescribed for under 18s is so high as to effectively remove it from clinical practice in the whole of the British Isles.
Miriam, you're saying everything that's needed saying for a very long time. Thank you so much! The only logical definition of non-binary would include nearly everyone. Wouldn't stop nearly everyone being 100% male or 100% female. Sex matters!
Don’t know if you’ll actually see this comment yourself but I just wanted to say I live in your constituency and I really appreciate you speaking about this. #SexNotGender
Well said, Miriam Cates. Such a clear statement, explaining exactly why gender ideology is so regressive and why it is not open-minded and compassionate to promote it.
I think it should be regarded as something akin to a religious belief. And that’s why it shouldn’t be written into law. If it’s in law then we all have a legal obligation to go along with a set of beliefs. That is a profound imposition on our freedom of thought.
@@Cyrusmagi Yeah, true, but if we're honest, that's more a symbolic thing to hammer home the importance of telling the truth in court. It's not truly religious.
My kids school is still using one sided gender content I understand this topic come from Education Dept, have they thought about the content should be either deleted or mointored? Thank you Miriam, we need more MP like you to talk about this
Miriam is my hero! I used to be on the other side and think that gender theory was progressive, but after 3 years of research, I agree wholeheartedly with Miriam Cates, this Ideology is regressive and harmful to children, vulnerable adults and women.
My comments,often, is how do these people know they are not what they were born, have they been able to acces another gender to compare with what they are?????????????
No. And as its against science, biology, history & evolutionary evidence & imperitive.. (I don't do 'new speak'). So, I'll never ever use the language of opinion on such matters. Im not going to lie or bow to someone elses insecurities just to validate a lie. My mind, my voice, My Choice.
I haven't listened to this debate but from reading the headline, I was drawn in and now... 3 years on from hearing about this for the first time... I now say NO This terrible indoctrination is confusing children... breaking families and bringing misery to many who have fallen for this snakes oil I pray for these young impressionable children and especially for the detransitioners who are waking up to just being teenagers Non binary is a feeling but for many it's the first step in opening the door "Come into my web, says the spider to the fly ... it's the prettiest web you ever did spy" Heaven help us
Thank you , please please can you help the parents like myself with this topic. I've reached out to my local mp in Wakefield and had no help from Andrea Jenkins. Please help people that arent your constitutes. That rule is not helpful to parents like me who are battling it out with school and the local mp isn't interested. Please help us xx
I would love to see her join with David Kurten and The Heritage Party because she is one of very few who are completely wasted where they are and she will always be opposed for her caring but no-nonsence approach. A really lovely lady.
I feel cat. MEEEEEOOOOWWWW. How amazing to see politicians spending hard-worked-for taxpayers money on this while wars are raging. Will the next debate focus on the size of croissants at East Anglia bakeries ?
"We should not be putting ideology into law." Exactly. Wonderful. No backing down or apologising, either. I wish more MPs were like this! But I wouldn't go so far as "accepting" non-binary, as it's so meaningless.
Bravo - quite a thorough analysis of the problem; MP Cates has clearly packed a lot into some 7 minutes. But the whole concept of gender is pretty much of an ideological dog's breakfast with little to no science for any leavening. However, MP Cates may be unaware that there's at least some small amount of merit and justification in differentiating between gender itself and gender identity. As Wikipedia's articles on "Gender" and "Gender Identity" put it: "Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to femininity and masculinity and differentiating between them." "Gender identity is the personal sense of one's own gender." While those statements are more or less tenable, many of Wikipedia's articles having anything to do with gender exhibit the same tendency to devolve into the same incoherent twaddle that characterizes much of the "debate" over both gender and gender identity; they're hardly less "ideologically captured" than is Stonewall. Though I'm happy to see that the British government is making some effort to part company with the latter; should probably sue them for fraud. In any case, as both MP Cates suggests and as Wikipedia implies about gender, gender itself is little more than, at best, a synonym for personalities - of which there are billions and billions. It is simply gobsmackingly unfathomable if not profoundly idiotic for the UK Parliament to even be considering recognizing all of those myriads of different genders and gender identities. Will we name each and every one of them? Will we have separate toilets, change rooms, and sports leagues for each of them? Separate sports leagues for introverts and extroverts? Madness, rank insanity. The UK Parliament might just as well go whole hog and stipulate that 2+2=5, or that the tide can only come in between the hours of 3 and 5 PM, Monday to Friday, 10 to 11 AM Saturday and Sunday.
I'm very grateful that a LABOUR voice is standing up for kids. One of the only voices keeping me voting left after american politics has poisoned our society. Thank you.
As always a fabulous speech made with highly informed knowledge of the subject. That you so much Miriam. This gender twaddle is all about personality and as we know that can change, like opinions and due to life experiences, throughout life. You cannot make law around feelings and this woowoo gender cult. Keep fighting.
"gender twaddle" has been a fact of all human societies as long as humans have existed. Hating trans people and legislating them out of existence is evidence only of ignorance and bigotry.
Miriam, do you know that one of the main purveyors of this are the NSPCC via Childline. I have investigated their content and done 10 posts on their content . They groomed my gay son. He is not a woman he is a gay male and sadly now the NHS are colluding with this self harm. Happy to send you the information. I have sent to lots of journalists and they appear to be afraid of talking the NSPCC.
Just awful, I'm non binary and everything you said was wrong on so many levels. What do you people get out of punching down so often? It's genuinely making people like us suicidal.
Ikr! It’s so alienating and frustrating to just be pushed aside. It’s not that hard to recognise other gender identities and it’s not a threat to other people!
The silly name is just silly. Be as GNC as you like that's cool and accepted. Pretending to have dysphoria is ridiculous. GENUINE TG folk are hurt by your bullshit.
@@patriciarobinson7751 It's punching down because as a straight white woman who is an MP she has a lot of privilege. None of these discussion about transgender "ideology" ever include actual transgender people. Transgender adults were once transgender children, their actual input would be incredibly valuable if this was supposed to be a fair discussion but they and non binary people are always excluded from the conversation about them. Because it's never ever intended to be fair, it's a hatchet job attacking existing rights . It's always an attack, so they exclude anyone who would defend against it.
So I was going to preface this with a note on the fact that you are a MP and because of this are likely to not have enough time to look into the actual facts of gender and sex, but as this seams to be one of your favourite talking points I can no longer excuse this, the only disclaimer I have left is that you are a Tory so it would be rather brave of me to suggest you go far out of line of the general consensus of you’re part. I would also like to say that, this is a great address specifically to your base. Starting with generally inclusionary statements, that appear very humanistic, then building to a heavy reliance on”common scenes “ and “facts”. So for the purpose for this speech I would say that it is perfect in everything but it’s contents. It is shocking how quickly this becomes problematic, your first (of many) appeals to fact is the immutable fact of biological sex. Ask anyone educated beyond high school biology, they will tell you the way that sex manifests in the body is dictated by many different systems in the body that are by and large binary, but multiple items that are binary means multiple ways of arranging them which is distinctly non binary and mutable, the way in which this ignores intersex people is just outstanding. And that is just the start of this short clip, Jesus Christ. The fetishisation of facts, in a incredibly human situation is genuinely disgusting
Secondly, this waffle in the middle about gendered souls is nonsense, it’s under veil of searingly logical assumptions that attempt to erase the entire debate she is argue in g, it’s honestly confusing that she took up this much time waffling just to say, hey be nice and that and everyone can be anything they want to be, but hears some totally real reasons to be as bigoted as you already are. I’d argue this point but there is no point being made. Finally the most egregious and disgusting section, children and fear mongering. The picture this thing, paints of what is happening in your schools is just false, the deeply bigoted wording suggests, that trans people and non binary people had a choice to choose what they are and that schools and weirdos online are trying to pressure this onto, like they are converting your children to a faith is utterly ridiculous . What is the evidence, common sense of just decency for these claims, that this is a problem. The worst thing for me personally is that this scare tactic was similarly used in the erasure of gay, lesbian and bisexual people when being such a thing was more openly regarded as a choice or a toxic ideology. The over fetishisation of facts in this piece is cherry picking and the complete lack of understanding of how science specifically biology and psychology is not “facts” it’s discovery. To anyone who has read this far, does every “fact” you know make you feel comfortable with your beliefs, because they shouldn’t that would be way to coincidental for you to be right first time. And that believing in science is not believing in evidence you want to because you find that everywhere, it is believing in the scientific consensus and in the case of this. This is a great deal of consensus that sex, is not entirely link to your gender and and that neither sex and thus nor gender is binary
It is disturbing that an elected representative such as Miriam Cates should be so ignorant and bigoted. Young trans and non-binary people are placed further at risk of harm by her words and actions. I can only suggest that, come the next general election, her voters take note of this.
"odd indeed if our sex has no influence on our choices and behaviour" - Well, some of us ARE odd, that's just how we are. We're not all just genitals on legs.
Non-Binary should be a passport option. Its for identification. If a persons apearance makes their sex visually inderterminable, then if the passport says that is how that person is, then their ID matches their presentation. Also , If a transgender man's (born female, transitioned to male, ) passport says "Female" then they are going to have trouble at border control.
They shouldn't drag their fantasies into every area of public life. If a passport is for identification, it's not for any shallow "presentation". If a woman has trouble at border control because she's interfered with her passport, she's brought it on herself. If they can't obey society's rules, they should get out of society, instead of causing chaos.
@@crumblyduckling403 by "they should get out of society" , do you mean die ? That's surely the only way out of society. You see, that's what the Nazis said the Jews should do, and then they murdered millions of them. It sounds like you, and many of the "Gender critical" fanatics, are are actually condoning and striving towards the genocide of transgender and non-binary people.
@@crumblyduckling403 If you renewed your passport and when it came back it said you were 4 inches shorter than you actually are, would you cut your feet off so that you match your passport, or would you demand that your passport matches you? A persons passport should match the presentation of the person, not the other way around. If the person has a non-binary appearance, the passport should say so.
The bible supports non-binary poeople. Ephesians 5:21 - “There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Talk about twisting a quote to suit a narrative! St Paul acknowledged the existence of six classes of people here, just by the fact he mentioned them. The message was to live "as one", in peace with one another, without creating divisions or squabbling. These trumped-up "gender identities" divide society, which is exactly what he advised against.
@@crumblyduckling403 No, you are incorrect. Transgender identities have existed far longer than Christianity. It's only recently (in even less that decade) that the far-right has decide to turn it into a wedge issue. Transphobia is the cause of division, not trans and non-binary peoples existance. Do you blame the Jews for the division in 1940s Germany, or the Nazis that stirred up hatred towards them in the way that people like Miriam Cates are stirring up hatred towoard the trans and non -binary communities.?
Your first 3mins were sound facts and definitions. The last 3mins were vile and angry utter garbage. How dare you say 'we respect you and your right to exist' and in the same breath, accuse us of screwing up children, threatening women and bringing down society. Schools talking about gender and diverse society.....heaven forbid we should talk about people and our existance! Trans/GNC/NB folk - adults and children - have always existed; we just weren't allowed to talk about it until now, we didn't knos there was a name for it, so we hated ourselves in silence. Transitioning doesn't "solve anything", as you put it, but knowing you're not broken certainly helps. I would love to explain our identities and existences to you, but at the moment I am too angry.
Nobody is trying to deny your existence or dehumanize you - as far too many transactivists try to argue is the case. The question is whether, for example, transwomen actually qualify as "adult human females (produces ova)" - AKA, "women". And if they don't then it's a stretch to see how they can justify being treated as such. The standard biological definitions stipulate that to have a sex is to have functional gonads of either of two types. I rather doubt any transwoman - with or without a "gender recognition certificate" - has had "her" testicles replaced with functioning ovaries. Until that happens I see no justification at all for giving any credence to any claim to being actual biological females.
@@SteersmanOaring When a cisgender woman has a total hysterectomy (removal of reproductive system inc. ovaries) for medical or personal reasons, is she still a woman? If a woman has a condition which means her ovaries do not function or produce infertile eggs is she still a woman? If a woman, like the athlete Semenya, has a naturally higher testosterone count, is she still a woman? I have working ovaries and let me tell you, calling me a woman (though legally accurate) would be discriminatory. Do not feel into the trap of using one 'simple' rule for a multifaceted issue, even if it is one that many live by. Gender identity is just as important as biological sex and should not be disregarded.
@@Kimberleg "... a total hysterectomy, is she still a woman?" Is she still an "adult human female (producer of ova)"? Nope. The standard biological definitions stipulate that to have a sex - male or female - is to be able to produce either of two types of gametes - sperm or ova. Those who can't - for whatever reason - are therefore sexless. You may wish to take a look at the Wikipedia article on "female" which endorses that definition. As does the Glossary of the article from the Oxford journal of Molecular Human Reproduction titled, "Gamete competition, gamete limitation, and the evolution of the two sexes" by biologists Lehtonen and Parker (FRS). You might also look at the Wikipedia article on Semenya which states: "Semenya is an intersex 'woman' [quote-unquote], assigned female at birth, with XY chromosomes and naturally elevated testosterone levels caused by the presence of internal [and non-functional] testes." By the standard biological definitions based on the presence of reproductive functions, on the ability to actually reproduce, "she" is neither male nor female, she is sexless because she's incapable of producing either type of gamete. No gametes, no reproduction, no sex. She probably suffers from "complete androgen insensitivity syndrome [CAIS]", another Wikipedia article you might try reading, but that doesn't grant her membership in either sex category. But by the "patchwork" and structure-absent-function definitions of [so-called] social sciences, Semenya would probably qualify as a male. Which is why that structure-absent-function definition is more or less totally useless for any biological applications which have to deal with literally millions of sexually-reproducing species, and billions if not trillions of males (producers of sperm) and females (producers of ova). But sure, "gender identity" is important, although "gender identity" and "gender" itself are little more than synonyms for personalities of which there are billions and billions; will we give names to all of them? 🙄 However, the problem is that if you were, for example, to claim that your "gender identity" was "male" then the question is, "what do you mean by 'male'?", "what is it that makes your 'gender identity' male?". If you can't answer that, if you can't specific any objective traits that qualifies you to have a "male identity" then the term is pretty much entirely useless for almost anything. Except maybe making you feel good which really doesn't cut a lot of ice in any scientific or biological context or application. And certainly doesn't justify treating you as if you were an actual biological male - i.e., a person who produces sperm. Hard to imagine a more risible if not gobsmackingly incoherent and quite unscientific concept than "self-identification". "I self-identify as the Queen of England and expect to be treated as such!" 🙄 If a child of 12 says, "I self-identify as 35" then should they be allowed to drive a car, to buy alcohol and cigarettes, to vote? There are logical and social consequences to being members of particular categories. But if the criteria for qualifying for membership are entirely subjective then those categories are pretty much if not entirely useless. If not worse than useless.
@@SteersmanOaring @SteersmanOaring So all post-menopausal women are no longer women, according to you? All individuals who have had surgical treatment for uterine/cervical cancer are now sexless? Good to know... If you are going to try and educate (incorrectly) on sex and gender, don't use Wikipedia as a source. Try the WHO, NHS, NCBI, TransActual or Stonewall Are their billions of individual names for every part of our identity? Yes. There are innumerable names/terms/labels for various gender identities, as there are innumerable terms for any parts of who we are (nationality, culture, religion, profession, sporting ability, etc). Some are acceptably general, some are more specific, depending on the individial importance of specification. Some people happily identify as gay/queer/trans/non-binary, some passionately state a more specific title because it's important to them. Oh don't go down the Piers Morgan "I identify as a table, therefore I am" route, there's no need for that. I won't entertain you by explaining why a person cannot "identify" as 35yrs or the Queen. There are many writers and professionals who can explain gender identity to you better than I can - I would recommend M J Barker - but any 'identity' does not necessarily have physical or biological evidence, it is part of who you are as a person, an individual. It's not about agreeing, it's about respect. You say there are consequences to allowing people into certain categories. There are also consequences for not allowing them: in this country alone, the daily lived experiences of trans*/nonbinary people of lack of awareness, discrimination, harassment, violence, homelessness, poor medical care and suicide rates to name but a few (TransActual and Stonewall are my primary sources) It is called the Gender Recognition Act. All we are asking from the government is to recognise our gender. All I ask of you and anyone reading is not to fight us but accept us as valid human beings. This is not a fight of A vs B, trans rights vs women's/children's rights, last one standing wins.....these are human rights. We are fighting for the same thing. The arguments that are used against us are the same rights that were used against the gay/bi community in the 80s, the blacks before them and women before that. We look back now and realise those "fears" were unjustified. Realise it now.
what you said is dangerous, inaccurate and just plain uneducated. how dare you stand anywhere and accuse a minority of grooming children. how dare you stand there and suggest rights we already have in the gender recognition act of 2003 should be reversed. this debate was about adding nonbinary people to the gender recognition act. you spent your entire speech talking about women and children who last i checked have nothing to do with the GRA given you need to be 18 to get a Gender Recognition certificate. please do research and educate youself before saying things that will harm my community.
thank you for saying as a man who doesn't fit a masculine stereotype that i am normal
I'll drink to that! Gender non-conforming female here - it makes me no less female to be so!
💯💯💯🙏
What language are you speaking?
Yes that’s normal but you’re still male, not a made up gender
@@KayE9yet some call gender nonconforming a gender so you couldn’t be female which is a gender
Brilliant speech. At last some informed and evidenced comment from our politicians.
Ridiculous- non binary?? I think these terms need to be put back in their box and sent back to Judith Butler at Berkley college, completely bizarre that we even have to entertain this silliness. Well done for trying to take it seriously 🙄
this is teaching in my chirldern's school. School is ignoring parents opinon on this.
It’s really wonderful to hear such a sane and sensible voice! Thank you as a parent and woman your support is so appreciated!
Thank you Miriam, this is absolutely right. We are failing children and losing safeguarding.
Thank you for speaking for so many of us.
Wonderful speech Miriam, absolutely spot on, thank you so very, very much!
Thank you for speaking out so articulately and knowledgeably. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for speaking up! As someone who taught for 31 years and left teaching only recently I've been really really concerned about how this ideology has taken hold. It's so regressive.
It’s still happening in my kid’s school
Indeed. The hate-filled, bigoted anti-transgender ideology needs to be confronted and stopped.
The idea of a gendered soul assumes that we all believe in some form of spirituality. I’m an atheist and believe in science!
Thank you for standing up for truth and reason. I find it frightening how far this ideology has marched through our institutions unchecked with no evidence to back up its claims. Our institutions have capitulated one after another so as not to appear bigoted and their lack of scrutiny of this ideology has harmed who knows how many children as well as women’s and gay rights
I think in part this happens because people wrongly believe it to be an extension of gay rights, when that couldn't be further from the truth, it's homophobic and harmful.
I find you’re fetishisation of facts weird when you ignore the scientific consensus on the topic. Then you have no evidence of any harm that this is doing. Stop affirming your beliefs and challenge yourself.
@@LillyCox777 A lot of empty waffle there mate.
@@K_F_P erm yeah the words I said didn’t mean anything at all, I totally agree
This was absolutely amazing. Just facts galore
I cannot express how amazing you have been throughout all this. You are clearly working very hard and you are excellent at unpicking this. Thank you so much for having the courage to speak up with such confidence. Please keep going.
Nails it. Brave woman.
Not sure how it is "brave" to echo what the government, the corporate media and so many loudmouthed bigots are saying.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! What an excellent speech. You are clearly very well briefed and know this subject as well as any genuine expert in this field. We know that the parents we represent will be greatly heartened knowing that they have a champion in Parliament who is able to present their views with such clarity and authority.
Most of the “genuine experts” have their eyes on the €$¥£, I trust very few of them!!!
@@alisonwren3624 Many true experts are living on a shoestring at the moment, fighting this hard. Graham Linehan is one of them. The people who are part of the gender industry are the ones making big money, exploiting the pain of children and vulnerable people, many of whom are autistic / same-sex attracted😠 Miriam Cates has seriously done her homework. I am so impressed with her handle on this subject.
I’m so encouraged that someone far brighter than me is talking about this.
Me too, isn't she brilliant? So articulate
You are emerging as one of the global leaders against the disaster of gender ideology.
I am following this closely and know you have stood up to trans authoritarianism too, Kevin Lister. Thank you so much for making a stand. Hope you are doing ok. Please do reach out if we can help you (crowdfunding etc).
Clear and erudite, well done
Oh and I'd like to say thank you for speaking out, so articulate and clearly
Fantastic speech. Thank you so much
Very sensible.
Thanks for some clarity amidst the clamour of nonsense
I'll never vote Conservative but I applaud Ms Cates very loudly indeed. Thank goodness that the level of institutional, procedural, regulatory and legal scrutiny which overshadows the prescribing of any trans related hormonal therapies being prescribed for under 18s is so high as to effectively remove it from clinical practice in the whole of the British Isles.
Miriam, you're saying everything that's needed saying for a very long time. Thank you so much! The only logical definition of non-binary would include nearly everyone. Wouldn't stop nearly everyone being 100% male or 100% female. Sex matters!
Don’t know if you’ll actually see this comment yourself but I just wanted to say I live in your constituency and I really appreciate you speaking about this. #SexNotGender
Miriam you star
Brilliant, thank you for speaking about this.
Brilliant summary. Thank you Ms Cates.
Brilliant, well said. Keep the monsters away from the children.
Well said, Miriam Cates. Such a clear statement, explaining exactly why gender ideology is so regressive and why it is not open-minded and compassionate to promote it.
I think it should be regarded as something akin to a religious belief. And that’s why it shouldn’t be written into law. If it’s in law then we all have a legal obligation to go along with a set of beliefs. That is a profound imposition on our freedom of thought.
Ah but God is written into law and has been, for one must swear on a bible or some equivalent when in the court of the land.
@@Cyrusmagi Yeah, true, but if we're honest, that's more a symbolic thing to hammer home the importance of telling the truth in court. It's not truly religious.
How does the saying go...?
Non binary is a gender in the same way that not playing golf is a sport.
Well done Miriam you are doing stellar work 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Well Done!
My kids school is still using one sided gender content I understand this topic come from Education Dept, have they thought about the content should be either deleted or mointored? Thank you Miriam, we need more MP like you to talk about this
Gay man here - keep up the amazing work! 👏
As a gay man, thank you for saying this.
Once again well spoken Miriam… This country needs this truth…
Amazingly well spoken. We cannot let emotion distort laws.
Admirable speech.
Miriam is my hero! I used to be on the other side and think that gender theory was progressive, but after 3 years of research, I agree wholeheartedly with Miriam Cates, this Ideology is regressive and harmful to children, vulnerable adults and women.
Absolutely brilliant expose of gender ideology and a masterly statement of reality.
Brilliant
My comments,often, is how do these people know they are not what they were born, have they been able to acces another gender to compare with what they are?????????????
Big Support from a fellow UK citizen
This ideology still teaching in the schools. We have been talking for a year but the school doesn’t bother. Pls help us. Help our children
Thank you - this was well spoken, you are great!
Thank very much for so calmly stating the obvious.
Brilliant Speach Miriam, well done !!!
Brilliant speech, hits the nail firmly on the head. We must not base laws on feelings.
No. And as its against science, biology, history & evolutionary evidence & imperitive.. (I don't do 'new speak'). So, I'll never ever use the language of opinion on such matters. Im not going to lie or bow to someone elses insecurities just to validate a lie. My mind, my voice, My Choice.
Thoughtful, sensitive and brilliant.
Hate agreeing with Tories. But this so on the money.
WHY? LIBERALISM IS WHAT'S DESTROYING COUNTRIES ACROSS THE WORLD.
I think the days of Partys are over. This lady is spot on and I'm on the far left. Shes the only tory id vote for.
I haven't listened to this debate but from reading the headline, I was drawn in and now... 3 years on from hearing about this for the first time... I now say NO
This terrible indoctrination is confusing children... breaking families and bringing misery to many who have fallen for this snakes oil
I pray for these young impressionable children and especially for the detransitioners who are waking up to just being teenagers
Non binary is a feeling but for many it's the first step in opening the door
"Come into my web, says the spider to the fly ... it's the prettiest web you ever did spy"
Heaven help us
Thank you , please please can you help the parents like myself with this topic. I've reached out to my local mp in Wakefield and had no help from Andrea Jenkins. Please help people that arent your constitutes. That rule is not helpful to parents like me who are battling it out with school and the local mp isn't interested. Please help us xx
Yes it should... Well done Miriam Cates, once again...
Absolutely brilliant!
A genuine speaker Miriam Cates M P ! 👏🏻
I would love to see her join with David Kurten and The Heritage Party because she is one of very few who are completely wasted where they are and she will always be opposed for her caring but no-nonsence approach. A really lovely lady.
I feel cat. MEEEEEOOOOWWWW. How amazing to see politicians spending hard-worked-for taxpayers money on this while wars are raging. Will the next debate focus on the size of croissants at East Anglia bakeries ?
I like this mp but i agree with you here
"We should not be putting ideology into law." Exactly. Wonderful. No backing down or apologising, either. I wish more MPs were like this! But I wouldn't go so far as "accepting" non-binary, as it's so meaningless.
Bravo - quite a thorough analysis of the problem; MP Cates has clearly packed a lot into some 7 minutes.
But the whole concept of gender is pretty much of an ideological dog's breakfast with little to no science for any leavening. However, MP Cates may be unaware that there's at least some small amount of merit and justification in differentiating between gender itself and gender identity. As Wikipedia's articles on "Gender" and "Gender Identity" put it:
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to femininity and masculinity and differentiating between them."
"Gender identity is the personal sense of one's own gender."
While those statements are more or less tenable, many of Wikipedia's articles having anything to do with gender exhibit the same tendency to devolve into the same incoherent twaddle that characterizes much of the "debate" over both gender and gender identity; they're hardly less "ideologically captured" than is Stonewall. Though I'm happy to see that the British government is making some effort to part company with the latter; should probably sue them for fraud.
In any case, as both MP Cates suggests and as Wikipedia implies about gender, gender itself is little more than, at best, a synonym for personalities - of which there are billions and billions. It is simply gobsmackingly unfathomable if not profoundly idiotic for the UK Parliament to even be considering recognizing all of those myriads of different genders and gender identities. Will we name each and every one of them? Will we have separate toilets, change rooms, and sports leagues for each of them? Separate sports leagues for introverts and extroverts?
Madness, rank insanity. The UK Parliament might just as well go whole hog and stipulate that 2+2=5, or that the tide can only come in between the hours of 3 and 5 PM, Monday to Friday, 10 to 11 AM Saturday and Sunday.
Just because Wikipedia says something doesn’t make it true….
Everything has to be checked with facts….
Thank you Miriam for pointing out the facts….
Thank you!
In law surely you cannot have a negative identity. Law has to be based on facts and someone's opinion is NOT a fact.
I'm very grateful that a LABOUR voice is standing up for kids. One of the only voices keeping me voting left after american politics has poisoned our society. Thank you.
As always a fabulous speech made with highly informed knowledge of the subject. That you so much Miriam. This gender twaddle is all about personality and as we know that can change, like opinions and due to life experiences, throughout life. You cannot make law around feelings and this woowoo gender cult. Keep fighting.
"gender twaddle" has been a fact of all human societies as long as humans have existed. Hating trans people and legislating them out of existence is evidence only of ignorance and bigotry.
Miriam, do you know that one of the main purveyors of this are the NSPCC via Childline. I have investigated their content and done 10 posts on their content . They groomed my gay son. He is not a woman he is a gay male and sadly now the NHS are colluding with this self harm. Happy to send you the information. I have sent to lots of journalists and they appear to be afraid of talking the NSPCC.
No, because non binary means non gender, so he can it be a gender identity?
No!
Yes, people are more than their gender, looks, colour. The message of being comfortable in your own skin is out the window. We are not 2 dimensional!
Im an american and I want you to be my representative, damn! 😍
No
No! Complete nonsense ,but that won't stop our useless politicians jumping on the band wagon.
It’s not a gender.
bloody brilliant !
Just awful, I'm non binary and everything you said was wrong on so many levels. What do you people get out of punching down so often? It's genuinely making people like us suicidal.
Ikr! It’s so alienating and frustrating to just be pushed aside. It’s not that hard to recognise other gender identities and it’s not a threat to other people!
I note that you say it's so wrong on so many levels. Yet you don't state even one of these. How is stating a view 'punching down'?
The silly name is just silly.
Be as GNC as you like that's cool and accepted.
Pretending to have dysphoria is ridiculous. GENUINE TG folk are hurt by your bullshit.
@@patriciarobinson7751 It's punching down because as a straight white woman who is an MP she has a lot of privilege. None of these discussion about transgender "ideology" ever include actual transgender people. Transgender adults were once transgender children, their actual input would be incredibly valuable if this was supposed to be a fair discussion but they and non binary people are always excluded from the conversation about them. Because it's never ever intended to be fair, it's a hatchet job attacking existing rights . It's always an attack, so they exclude anyone who would defend against it.
Get therapy
Well said that cervix haver. 😉
Have a chat with the absurd sword carrying, amateur diver in your party who seems to swallow every Stonewall lunacy without question!
No such thing. Male or female. Done.
So I was going to preface this with a note on the fact that you are a MP and because of this are likely to not have enough time to look into the actual facts of gender and sex, but as this seams to be one of your favourite talking points I can no longer excuse this, the only disclaimer I have left is that you are a Tory so it would be rather brave of me to suggest you go far out of line of the general consensus of you’re part. I would also like to say that, this is a great address specifically to your base. Starting with generally inclusionary statements, that appear very humanistic, then building to a heavy reliance on”common scenes “ and “facts”. So for the purpose for this speech I would say that it is perfect in everything but it’s contents. It is shocking how quickly this becomes problematic, your first (of many) appeals to fact is the immutable fact of biological sex. Ask anyone educated beyond high school biology, they will tell you the way that sex manifests in the body is dictated by many different systems in the body that are by and large binary, but multiple items that are binary means multiple ways of arranging them which is distinctly non binary and mutable, the way in which this ignores intersex people is just outstanding. And that is just the start of this short clip, Jesus Christ. The fetishisation of facts, in a incredibly human situation is genuinely disgusting
Secondly, this waffle in the middle about gendered souls is nonsense, it’s under veil of searingly logical assumptions that attempt to erase the entire debate she is argue in g, it’s honestly confusing that she took up this much time waffling just to say, hey be nice and that and everyone can be anything they want to be, but hears some totally real reasons to be as bigoted as you already are. I’d argue this point but there is no point being made. Finally the most egregious and disgusting section, children and fear mongering. The picture this thing, paints of what is happening in your schools is just false, the deeply bigoted wording suggests, that trans people and non binary people had a choice to choose what they are and that schools and weirdos online are trying to pressure this onto, like they are converting your children to a faith is utterly ridiculous . What is the evidence, common sense of just decency for these claims, that this is a problem. The worst thing for me personally is that this scare tactic was similarly used in the erasure of gay, lesbian and bisexual people when being such a thing was more openly regarded as a choice or a toxic ideology. The over fetishisation of facts in this piece is cherry picking and the complete lack of understanding of how science specifically biology and psychology is not “facts” it’s discovery. To anyone who has read this far, does every “fact” you know make you feel comfortable with your beliefs, because they shouldn’t that would be way to coincidental for you to be right first time. And that believing in science is not believing in evidence you want to because you find that everywhere, it is believing in the scientific consensus and in the case of this. This is a great deal of consensus that sex, is not entirely link to your gender and and that neither sex and thus nor gender is binary
It is disturbing that an elected representative such as Miriam Cates should be so ignorant and bigoted. Young trans and non-binary people are placed further at risk of harm by her words and actions. I can only suggest that, come the next general election, her voters take note of this.
"odd indeed if our sex has no influence on our choices and behaviour" - Well, some of us ARE odd, that's just how we are. We're not all just genitals on legs.
Non-Binary should be a passport option. Its for identification. If a persons apearance makes their sex visually inderterminable, then if the passport says that is how that person is, then their ID matches their presentation. Also , If a transgender man's (born female, transitioned to male, ) passport says "Female" then they are going to have trouble at border control.
They shouldn't drag their fantasies into every area of public life. If a passport is for identification, it's not for any shallow "presentation". If a woman has trouble at border control because she's interfered with her passport, she's brought it on herself. If they can't obey society's rules, they should get out of society, instead of causing chaos.
@@crumblyduckling403 by "they should get out of society" , do you mean die ? That's surely the only way out of society.
You see, that's what the Nazis said the Jews should do, and then they murdered millions of them.
It sounds like you, and many of the "Gender critical" fanatics, are are actually condoning and striving towards the genocide of transgender and non-binary people.
@@crumblyduckling403 If you renewed your passport and when it came back it said you were 4 inches shorter than you actually are, would you cut your feet off so that you match your passport, or would you demand that your passport matches you?
A persons passport should match the presentation of the person, not the other way around. If the person has a non-binary appearance, the passport should say so.
Then we should put in peoples aesthetics in as well as that would affect their appearance.
The bible supports non-binary poeople. Ephesians 5:21 - “There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
That's just stuff about " souls" which is a religious belief.There is no actual soul.
@@christinabatey927 IDC about souls really. But people are not their genitals.
Talk about twisting a quote to suit a narrative! St Paul acknowledged the existence of six classes of people here, just by the fact he mentioned them. The message was to live "as one", in peace with one another, without creating divisions or squabbling. These trumped-up "gender identities" divide society, which is exactly what he advised against.
@@crumblyduckling403 No, you are incorrect. Transgender identities have existed far longer than Christianity. It's only recently (in even less that decade) that the far-right has decide to turn it into a wedge issue. Transphobia is the cause of division, not trans and non-binary peoples existance. Do you blame the Jews for the division in 1940s Germany, or the Nazis that stirred up hatred towards them in the way that people like Miriam Cates are stirring up hatred towoard the trans and non -binary communities.?
Your first 3mins were sound facts and definitions. The last 3mins were vile and angry utter garbage. How dare you say 'we respect you and your right to exist' and in the same breath, accuse us of screwing up children, threatening women and bringing down society. Schools talking about gender and diverse society.....heaven forbid we should talk about people and our existance! Trans/GNC/NB folk - adults and children - have always existed; we just weren't allowed to talk about it until now, we didn't knos there was a name for it, so we hated ourselves in silence. Transitioning doesn't "solve anything", as you put it, but knowing you're not broken certainly helps.
I would love to explain our identities and existences to you, but at the moment I am too angry.
Nobody is trying to deny your existence or dehumanize you - as far too many transactivists try to argue is the case. The question is whether, for example, transwomen actually qualify as "adult human females (produces ova)" - AKA, "women". And if they don't then it's a stretch to see how they can justify being treated as such.
The standard biological definitions stipulate that to have a sex is to have functional gonads of either of two types. I rather doubt any transwoman - with or without a "gender recognition certificate" - has had "her" testicles replaced with functioning ovaries. Until that happens I see no justification at all for giving any credence to any claim to being actual biological females.
@@SteersmanOaring When a cisgender woman has a total hysterectomy (removal of reproductive system inc. ovaries) for medical or personal reasons, is she still a woman? If a woman has a condition which means her ovaries do not function or produce infertile eggs is she still a woman? If a woman, like the athlete Semenya, has a naturally higher testosterone count, is she still a woman? I have working ovaries and let me tell you, calling me a woman (though legally accurate) would be discriminatory.
Do not feel into the trap of using one 'simple' rule for a multifaceted issue, even if it is one that many live by. Gender identity is just as important as biological sex and should not be disregarded.
@@Kimberleg "... a total hysterectomy, is she still a woman?" Is she still an "adult human female (producer of ova)"? Nope.
The standard biological definitions stipulate that to have a sex - male or female - is to be able to produce either of two types of gametes - sperm or ova. Those who can't - for whatever reason - are therefore sexless.
You may wish to take a look at the Wikipedia article on "female" which endorses that definition. As does the Glossary of the article from the Oxford journal of Molecular Human Reproduction titled, "Gamete competition, gamete limitation, and the evolution of the two sexes" by biologists Lehtonen and Parker (FRS).
You might also look at the Wikipedia article on Semenya which states:
"Semenya is an intersex 'woman' [quote-unquote], assigned female at birth, with XY chromosomes and naturally elevated testosterone levels caused by the presence of internal [and non-functional] testes."
By the standard biological definitions based on the presence of reproductive functions, on the ability to actually reproduce, "she" is neither male nor female, she is sexless because she's incapable of producing either type of gamete. No gametes, no reproduction, no sex. She probably suffers from "complete androgen insensitivity syndrome [CAIS]", another Wikipedia article you might try reading, but that doesn't grant her membership in either sex category.
But by the "patchwork" and structure-absent-function definitions of [so-called] social sciences, Semenya would probably qualify as a male. Which is why that structure-absent-function definition is more or less totally useless for any biological applications which have to deal with literally millions of sexually-reproducing species, and billions if not trillions of males (producers of sperm) and females (producers of ova).
But sure, "gender identity" is important, although "gender identity" and "gender" itself are little more than synonyms for personalities of which there are billions and billions; will we give names to all of them? 🙄
However, the problem is that if you were, for example, to claim that your "gender identity" was "male" then the question is, "what do you mean by 'male'?", "what is it that makes your 'gender identity' male?". If you can't answer that, if you can't specific any objective traits that qualifies you to have a "male identity" then the term is pretty much entirely useless for almost anything. Except maybe making you feel good which really doesn't cut a lot of ice in any scientific or biological context or application. And certainly doesn't justify treating you as if you were an actual biological male - i.e., a person who produces sperm.
Hard to imagine a more risible if not gobsmackingly incoherent and quite unscientific concept than "self-identification". "I self-identify as the Queen of England and expect to be treated as such!" 🙄 If a child of 12 says, "I self-identify as 35" then should they be allowed to drive a car, to buy alcohol and cigarettes, to vote?
There are logical and social consequences to being members of particular categories. But if the criteria for qualifying for membership are entirely subjective then those categories are pretty much if not entirely useless. If not worse than useless.
@@SteersmanOaring @SteersmanOaring So all post-menopausal women are no longer women, according to you? All individuals who have had surgical treatment for uterine/cervical cancer are now sexless? Good to know...
If you are going to try and educate (incorrectly) on sex and gender, don't use Wikipedia as a source. Try the WHO, NHS, NCBI, TransActual or Stonewall
Are their billions of individual names for every part of our identity? Yes. There are innumerable names/terms/labels for various gender identities, as there are innumerable terms for any parts of who we are (nationality, culture, religion, profession, sporting ability, etc). Some are acceptably general, some are more specific, depending on the individial importance of specification. Some people happily identify as gay/queer/trans/non-binary, some passionately state a more specific title because it's important to them.
Oh don't go down the Piers Morgan "I identify as a table, therefore I am" route, there's no need for that. I won't entertain you by explaining why a person cannot "identify" as 35yrs or the Queen. There are many writers and professionals who can explain gender identity to you better than I can - I would recommend M J Barker - but any 'identity' does not necessarily have physical or biological evidence, it is part of who you are as a person, an individual. It's not about agreeing, it's about respect.
You say there are consequences to allowing people into certain categories. There are also consequences for not allowing them: in this country alone, the daily lived experiences of trans*/nonbinary people of lack of awareness, discrimination, harassment, violence, homelessness, poor medical care and suicide rates to name but a few (TransActual and Stonewall are my primary sources)
It is called the Gender Recognition Act. All we are asking from the government is to recognise our gender. All I ask of you and anyone reading is not to fight us but accept us as valid human beings. This is not a fight of A vs B, trans rights vs women's/children's rights, last one standing wins.....these are human rights. We are fighting for the same thing. The arguments that are used against us are the same rights that were used against the gay/bi community in the 80s, the blacks before them and women before that. We look back now and realise those "fears" were unjustified. Realise it now.
*the same arguments that were used against the gay/bi community
what you said is dangerous, inaccurate and just plain uneducated. how dare you stand anywhere and accuse a minority of grooming children. how dare you stand there and suggest rights we already have in the gender recognition act of 2003 should be reversed. this debate was about adding nonbinary people to the gender recognition act. you spent your entire speech talking about women and children who last i checked have nothing to do with the GRA given you need to be 18 to get a Gender Recognition certificate. please do research and educate youself before saying things that will harm my community.
More material coming Ricky Gervais' way! The comedy gift that keeps on giving.
A-w-e-s-o-m-e Pure! The courage for talking about this madness cult! Thank you very much in name the children and adolescents. 🤍✅🤍
Brilliant
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