@@indominusbat545 It's not Dark urge exclusive, just go to the Sharress Caress with Shadowheart and Halsin and you can all have fun... Not sure if you need to be in a romance with Shadowheart though, I was
"You're grandpa is your dad and your mom is your sister" *vine boom* "Your mom/sister also tried to kill you" *double vine boom* "And it was your dad/grandpa who told her to do it" *reverberating vine boom*
Jokes aside, its not the incest that drove Orin mad. Its the realization that her mentor/idol manipulated her entire existence, and that she was as used & insignificant as the mother/sister she spent her whole life hating.
@@Amanda-zt8et Yea sure, so basically: it all started when Sarevok convinces his own daughter, Helena, to sleep with him in order to produce another Bhaalspawn. They produced Orin, who did not know that her Grandfather, Sarevok, was also her father. When Orin was 7, Sarevok convinced Helena to kill Orin as a sacrifice to Bhaal. Orin killed her in self-defense, & Sarevok lies, claiming Helena was just jealous of Orin's potential. Being the only family she had left, she worshipped Sarevok who raised her to be Bhaal's deadliest Assassin. She was desperate for Sarevok to be proud of her, because she thought he was the only person who could ever love her, but in truth he lied and only pretended to love her. Just like he did to Helena. He did all this to create a perfect Assassin for his twisted God, neither she nor her mother meant anything to him. When you reveal the truth to Orin, which you learn by using Speak with Dead on Helena's corpse, she realizes the depth of his deception. More importantly, how she spent her whole life trying to please the man who caused her so much anguish & suffering.
For a creature so full of herself, Orin is very squemish about something of limited consequence in terms of power or her personal ethics. That was a choice made by others, no more and no less.
I think it's because Orin believed she was literally a daughter of Bhaal. That Bhaal was her father instead of Sarevok. So, beyond the incest thing, the implications of being Bhaal's granddaughter/great-granddaughter instead of his daughter lowers her a lot in the hierarchy in relation to the Dark Urge. Basically her entire life was a lie.
I don't think it's so strange She's got a teisted mind, but evewry mind has it's soft spots, very probably grew up as a zealot into these beliefs of her role and all while looking up to her parent, for how mutch se might have done, that's the fulcrum, destroy that and She crumbles
Also, in medieval times and the fantasy worlds they are based on, being an incest baby basically makes you an abomination, not worthy of respect or existence. Something to, at best, be pitied. It basically destroys her entire concept of self-worth.
@@Nicamon yea honestly kind of strange given how vile she is, but I guess it's more since it is personally related to her existence and family rather than it being someone else
@@RichardMorimanno And she is one of the sweetest people on earth! It's hilarious to me the amount of character she breathes into these psychos, all while looking she would bake a mean plate of chocolate cookies.
@@InfernalPumeHow would she think she is a bhaalspawn if she knows her grandfather is a bhaalspawn. Did she think Bhaal made a bhaalspawn with his granddaughter? Which even if she did think that isn't that the same problem just with Bhaal instead of Saerovok
@@creativenickname1 I think she thought Bhaal did the deed with her mother... which isn't any better, but at least she would've had a more direct blood connection as a bhaalspawn that way.
it's not about the grossness, I think. It's about the feeling of being betrayed by someone she's devoted to. Sarevok raised her to be Bhaal's champion. Except he didn't. He seemingly abused both Orin and her mother, and merely raised Orin to be a sacrifice worthy of the Dark Urge. And with both Bhaalspawn, Sarevok probably sought to use them for his own ends.
For those confused why Orin reacts this way to this information, it’s not because of the incest. Orin reacts this way because it’s a realization that she is in-fact not a Bhaalspawn. Her father is Sarevok, and her mother was an unknown doppelgänger. She has no parental relation to Bhaal, meaning she has absolutely no claim over the role of chosen in Bhaal’s cult, and furthermore than she is effectively a nobody who usurped the entire cult for herself without the birthright to ever do so. It isn’t the fact that her mother is also her sister that destroys her. It’s the fact that an image she has been building for herself as a form of control effectively gets completely shattered right in front of her, and she doesn’t have the emotional tools to correct the fallout from her shattered self image.
Definitely agree it’s the realization that bhaal isnt her father, but are the children of bhaalspawn not also bhaalspawn? When I beat the game as an unromanced dark urge, the narrator points out that any children i may have in the future will be tainted bhaalspawn.
@@darkurgediariesit's weird and comes up in the second game, true Bhaal spawn, Bhaal's actual kids, have kids that can be "bhaal-spawn" Their a little bit water down and usually aren't as strong as the real deal. Plus they're not actually Bhaal's kids, just descendents
@@atomicash2475 The entire point of Sarevok's actions that resulted in Orin was to get 'purified Bhaal-spawn essence'. Sarevok wanted to create a 'purer than pure Bhaal-spawn' by... Mingled his Bhaal-spawn blood wiiiiiiiith his daughter's. Meanwhile, Durge is the /most/ Bhaal-spawn Bhaal-spawn that Bhaal has ever... Spawned. Damn, trying saying that five times fast. Durge is /the/ real deal, the celebrity, the hot-shot, while Orin is a product of a lie, and the realisation that she was never even a proper contender for the Cult's leadership, or recognition from her 'father', Bhaal... Just breaks her. She has neither the tools nor the mental fortitude needed to cope with her entire perception of herself, Sarevok, her mother, and Bhaal being flipped. Orin is nothing but Sarevok's efforts to cope with the Bhaal-spawn dying out. She's the failure of a failure, while Durge has everything she ever wanted without trying. He is everything, she is nothing, and even after she scooped out his brains and made him an amnesiac True Soul... He still returned, still defeated her, and she died knowing that everything she did never mattered, because Bhaal AND Sarevok preferred Durge over her. Orin is to be pitied above everything else. She never stood a chance of being anything other than the broken monster we met.
Its the same reaction you get if you sneak into the room below the fight platform and perform speak with dead on her mothers corpse, she tells you that sarevok ordered her to kill orin and orin didnt know that.
It's not about the incest, it's about who the real father is. She thought Bhaal was her dad when she was just some offspring of a worshiper. Even worse, it's a moment of realization that she is a sacrifice not a champion.
@@MsPumpkinOwlshes equally upset by both. Cuz it slanders her idol. She isnt doing all this for bhaal thats why hes upset in the end. Shes upset the person she was actually worshipping was using and betrayed her. She only cares about her grandfather/dad thinks not bhaal.
@@alphahunterd Doug Cockle is known for his voice-over of Geralt of Rivia and he is also the voice of Bhaal here, and he sounds very much like dark Geralt :)
What really did her in was that her mom tried to kill her.. not because she was a crazy killer from childhood, but because she wanted Baal's blessing and her father/grandfather ordered it. My Bard twisted the knife: "Did you really think it would be different for you?"
It’s even worse when you hear what sarevok did to her growing up, daily torture and blood letting, absolutely sick! I’ve linked that video at the end of this one.
So near the end of Baldur 2, Sarevok's begs you to revive him, claiming he is a changed man and wont do evil things again. Even joins your party if you want him. I was completely against reviving him cuz I didnt trust him at all but you are kinda forced to do it anyway. And seeing that mf back to his evil ways was already bad enough, but going as far as having a baby with his own daughter too? I knew he was bad but goddamn, this is too much. He even tells you to kill her too cuz you are a better Bhaalspawn than Orin. In my game I just killed him again, I was so tired of the guy. lol
@@darkurgediaries for once, that bad choice of making Sarovek a bad guy again who's only existence is worshipping Bhaal isn't Larian's choice (unlike every other bad thing in the game, which is many) that was WOTC who did that with the release of the Minsc book that pissed all over BG1 and 2
@@Saren-yc1rkНа самом деле, там не все так понятно. Скелеритас говорил, что Орин сестра Дурджу. Саревок говорил, что он дедушка Дурджу. НО Дурдж был создан со всеми остальными отродьями баала…. Так что вообще я запутался😅
I started off hating Orin & wanting revenge for what she did to Durge, to honestly just feeling really sorry for her. The longer the game went on, the less I saw her as being a monster (which she obviously still kind of is, with how many she’s killed) and the more I saw her as being a victim of severe child abuse and indoctrination. It’s just sad she didn’t get the second chance Durge did because Bhaal Slayer’d her as soon as she hesitated; it really drives home how cruel a god he is.
I winder if she is enough generations removed that she could have a redemption? Depending on genetics which are funky she could be anywhere from nearly full (but not quite) bhaalspawn to mostly human/changeling, since both of her parents were half bhaal half human/changeling. Makes you wonder if she could overcome it like durge did, and withers could resurrect just her human side..
Remember that the only reason Durge even got a second chance, though, is because Orin got jealous and jumped them and scrambled their brains. Orin, by vying for power and acting upon it, inadvertently gave Durge a second chance at life. I highly doubt Orin would be allowed a new lease on life, like, ever, unless she had very similar, specific actions taken on her, but there isn't anyone around to do that...
Even Orin, depraved beast that she was, was not prepared to accept the reality of Bhaal's full demands. Says something about what kind of person Dark Urge was, or could again become.
If you play as Tav, Orin becomes the Slayer every time. But if you play Durge and you fulfill the requirements to get Slayer form, Orin gets locked out of it. If you resist the urge, Orin becomes the Slayer instead. Only 1 Slayer can exist at a time. If you unlock it first, Orin is locked out of it and will duel you in her base form but if you want to be redeemed Durge, Bhaal will make Orin the Slayer instead.
@@Jacqli-Rivoli i believe if you do what i did in this video and bhaal makes her a slayer as punishment to her, you can then transform into your own slayer form during battle and fight her.
Probably at least partially just a work-saving method, but it's kinda funny that she has the same reaction to both this AND finding out Saravok ordered her mother to kill her. Makes me wonder just how she'd react if you hit her with the double-whammy.
As a fan of SG-1, all I can say is that in every instance of having to deal with Bhaal and his followers, I kept having O'Neill snark popping up in my head. "Bhaal? As in... Bachi?"
Jeeeeeesus. I felt that something is off when I stumbled across Orin the second time, and that feeling was getting stronger after each encounter. Like she is an abandoned or abused baby who was looking for attention. God, I feel her :(
It’s because i was already a slayer here, in this version Bhaal is forcing Orin to be a slayer as a punishment but i already am a slayer so sceleritas won’t say that!
Sheesh, I thought we had family issues being a Bhaalspawn in the first games. Nothing like slaying your half brother, amirite? I'm so glad Larian tied things back to the originals, aside from just locations on the map. Especially Minsc, he's just too funny.
I feel like this is more the dialogue was not expanded, I don't think she'd actually have a problem with the incest considering Durge is referred to as her sibling and if you play as Tav his naked body is in her room. The dialogue reaction is exactly the same if you tell her Sarevok ordered her murder, and the wording is clearly made for that response, the wording doesn't make much sense here. There are a few dialogues here and there that feel like they should have unique reactions but just don't and usually the wording is weird like this. Unless she has issue with the 'abuse' part, and her response is about that.
Maggie Robertson fucking nailed the lines here. You can truly hear her disbelief and intense feeling of betrayal. It _almost_ makes you feel bad for Orin.
That's one of the few things i dont like in bg3, sarevok had such a redemption arch in bg2, but they made him someone that abused his own daughter and granddaughter
Orin is such a good assassin that she has never seen herself in the mirror either, clearly, cause anyone who looked like that and was aware of it would probably figure they had were conceived by a brother and sister, probably on heroin as well.
Idk why but her having a mental breakdown is kinda hot I mean after everything she put the mc through I find it kinda cathartic that she gets her karma like this ❤
I kind of wish that you could use that knowledge to convince her to fight against Baahl's plans with you, if you choose to play the Baahlspawn who fights their nature. You could use the religion check to tell her how "Baahl encourages depraved acts like incest." And, maybe, if you can pass a few more skill checks, you can convince her to help you. Like you can with Minthara.
Idk if it’s true but I read somewhere that orin tried to run away when she was younger (durge too)☹️ she’s a really tragic character but I’m glad at how larian chose to made her unapologetic evil regardless.
Too bad I will never see such outcomes because even in my second run right now I find it impossible to be mean or rude to people. No way I can ever play Dark Urge xD
I was like that for my first couple playthroughs, I have a REALLY hard time being mean in video games. I tried doing a Dark Urge run a while back but gave up on it during Act 2. But a couple weeks ago I got the urge to do another playthrough, and made up my mind that this time I WOULD do a Dark Urge playthrough and I WOULD complete it. It's VERY much worth it. Playing as Durge ties you more closely to the story and gives new context and background information on certain important things. Also you don't HAVE to be mean, you can fight against it the entire game if you want. But I decided to go more chaotic evil, killed Isobel to gain the Slayer form (soooo much fun) and let Shadowheart kill the Nightsong so she could become a Dark Justiciar. I let Astarion become an ascended vampire too. Shadowheart was very supportive of his decision. Oh and if you're a Bhaalspawn you get extra interactions with Jaheira and Minsc. Also Sarevok gets annoyed with you if they're in your party when you go to his underground layer.
I’m playing DU right now as a lolth sworn drow and I’m nice and helpful. I’m already on very high approval from wyll and I haven’t even left chapter 1 yet. In my headcanon my durge just took a massive blow to the head.
I get that some quests give you evil options, but generally, arent you missing out on a lot of quests by telling people it's not your business or to go eff themselves? I kinda wanna try a playthrough with giving the meanest answers someday, but it will be so hard to disappoint those poor people xD @@samvimes9510
I like to think that Durge knew this tidbit of info before they got all brain scrambled since, you know, they were the head of the cult. I can perfectly imagine Gortash discussing how much he dislikes Orin to Durge before the beginning of Act 1, only for them to nod their head and go: "Oh yeah, she's the worst. Don't worry, I got a *really* funny joke to tell her when the time's right. Then I'll convince her to jump off a cliff. It's gonna be hilarious!"
interesting. in my normal tav playthrough talked to her mother's corpse with speak with dead, and the dialogue option i got was that her father told her mother to attempt to kill her. i'm doing a durge run now but i'm curious when we find our she's a product of incest
Orin: *death threats*
Durge: don’t care incest baby. L + ratio
I'm totally the dark urge
@@Poodle_GunYou’re an incest baby? That’s hot af.
Dark urge then having a five some with Halsin shadowheart and a pair of twins
@@deathking1019 wait. you can do that? i gotta play dark urge now.
@@indominusbat545 It's not Dark urge exclusive, just go to the Sharress Caress with Shadowheart and Halsin and you can all have fun... Not sure if you need to be in a romance with Shadowheart though, I was
I LOVE that they decided to made Bhaal's voice calm and collected, way more chilling
The voice acting choice for Bhaal is top tier. absolutely bone chilling!!
It kind of sounds like Geralt.
@@CreatureColossus That's cause it is!
New canon, Bhaal saying "hummmm"
It's Doug Cockle, yeah, Geralt's VA@@CreatureColossus
"You're grandpa is your dad and your mom is your sister" *vine boom* "Your mom/sister also tried to kill you" *double vine boom* "And it was your dad/grandpa who told her to do it" *reverberating vine boom*
@@maxwell8540 Sarevok is literally her father and her grandfather.
Crusader Kings reference
🗿🗿🗿
It's that "I am my own grandpa" song all over again!
Traditional Family.
Orin: I did everything for him... everything...
Bhaal: How about a round of Gwent?
*Nods head*
was that geralt??
so this is how i find out
Bhaal: There's a settlement that needs your "help" :O
Wind's howling
Jokes aside, its not the incest that drove Orin mad. Its the realization that her mentor/idol manipulated her entire existence, and that she was as used & insignificant as the mother/sister she spent her whole life hating.
Well said 👏🏻
Something like "i kill my mother to please my father and god, but she was right ???"
new light lovel incoming?@@Morfe02
Could you explain more on why she comes to this conclusion? How does sarevok manipulate her/her mum?
@@Amanda-zt8et Yea sure, so basically: it all started when Sarevok convinces his own daughter, Helena, to sleep with him in order to produce another Bhaalspawn. They produced Orin, who did not know that her Grandfather, Sarevok, was also her father. When Orin was 7, Sarevok convinced Helena to kill Orin as a sacrifice to Bhaal. Orin killed her in self-defense, & Sarevok lies, claiming Helena was just jealous of Orin's potential. Being the only family she had left, she worshipped Sarevok who raised her to be Bhaal's deadliest Assassin. She was desperate for Sarevok to be proud of her, because she thought he was the only person who could ever love her, but in truth he lied and only pretended to love her. Just like he did to Helena. He did all this to create a perfect Assassin for his twisted God, neither she nor her mother meant anything to him.
When you reveal the truth to Orin, which you learn by using Speak with Dead on Helena's corpse, she realizes the depth of his deception. More importantly, how she spent her whole life trying to please the man who caused her so much anguish & suffering.
I gotta say I actually really love the moment Orin realizes she’s not a bhaalspawn just ones sacrifice.
"Murder and cannibalism and brainwashing are okay in my book, but I draw the line at incest! What are we, British royalty?!"
House of Hapsburg surely
No! It can’t be! The British are real!?
So the coffin of Andy en leyley fans/haters
Don't forget that the Durge also, as we learn from the Butler, partook in Necrophilia, like, yikes.
@@isabellag6220bro are you ok
For a creature so full of herself, Orin is very squemish about something of limited consequence in terms of power or her personal ethics. That was a choice made by others, no more and no less.
Probably cause Orin is insecure about her place amongst Bal’s people.
I think it's because Orin believed she was literally a daughter of Bhaal. That Bhaal was her father instead of Sarevok. So, beyond the incest thing, the implications of being Bhaal's granddaughter/great-granddaughter instead of his daughter lowers her a lot in the hierarchy in relation to the Dark Urge.
Basically her entire life was a lie.
I don't think it's so strange
She's got a teisted mind, but evewry mind has it's soft spots, very probably grew up as a zealot into these beliefs of her role and all while looking up to her parent, for how mutch se might have done, that's the fulcrum, destroy that and She crumbles
Probably because she put herself in pedestal and full of it
Also, in medieval times and the fantasy worlds they are based on, being an incest baby basically makes you an abomination, not worthy of respect or existence. Something to, at best, be pitied.
It basically destroys her entire concept of self-worth.
I never thought I would feel pity for Orin. Well played Larian.
I never thought someone like Orin would have a problem with incest,TBH.🤷♂
@@Nicamon yea honestly kind of strange given how vile she is, but I guess it's more since it is personally related to her existence and family rather than it being someone else
@@Nicamon she might be a monster and a psychopath but she's not a pervert
@@M_Alexander "My Orin is not a pervert. She may be a liar,a murderer,a bitch,a pervert,but she is NOT a porn star!😤"
@@Nicamon it's not about incest, though.
DUrge: Orin, let me put it this way *instructs bard party-member to start playing dueling banjos*
Orin: NOOOOOO!!!
Sweet home alabama.
@@blenderpain8249 And more like Orin the Red-neck, amirite?
underrated comment lmao😂@@PastafarianLemur
LOL@@PastafarianLemur
@@PastafarianLemurhahahahaha
Orin's voice actor is so fucking incredible. Her delivery of every line is perfection.
shes the same voice actor that does lady dimitrescu in resident evil village
@@RichardMorimanno And she is one of the sweetest people on earth! It's hilarious to me the amount of character she breathes into these psychos, all while looking she would bake a mean plate of chocolate cookies.
As creepy as he looks, the Butler does look sharp.
Also, so weird to hear Geralt as Bhaal.
Is Bhaal Geralt?? I never knew! How cool!
@@darkurgediaries Yes. Doug Cockle does the voice of Bhaal in BG3. He voiced Geralt in all three Witcher games.
Interesting 🧐
no wonder i was so confused by the voice, Like it sounded familiar but didn't know where@@mhill781
On a non-Durge run, the butler's hat graces the counter at The Devil's Fee. Not sure if it's just a similar hat that's always there.
Incredible how many different paths and outcomes this game has. I just completed it and I am completely unfamiliar with other people's cutscenes.
Honestly I’ve put 700 hours into the game and I’m still finding new scenes, it’s insane
I like how when the transformation starts, the player character backs away with the vibe of "oh my, how unsightly"
Having the player character get squicked out by the transformation was a nice touch. Your expression goes from stoic to *genuinely unnerved*.
How odd, why would she of all people be grossed out by this?
This is like extremely vanilla by their standards.
its because she thought she was a bhaalspawn, when she's actually just the daughter of one.
@@InfernalPumeHow would she think she is a bhaalspawn if she knows her grandfather is a bhaalspawn. Did she think Bhaal made a bhaalspawn with his granddaughter? Which even if she did think that isn't that the same problem just with Bhaal instead of Saerovok
I believe she thought Bhaal was her father - but it was actually Sarevok.@@creativenickname1
@@creativenickname1 I think she thought Bhaal did the deed with her mother... which isn't any better, but at least she would've had a more direct blood connection as a bhaalspawn that way.
it's not about the grossness, I think. It's about the feeling of being betrayed by someone she's devoted to. Sarevok raised her to be Bhaal's champion. Except he didn't. He seemingly abused both Orin and her mother, and merely raised Orin to be a sacrifice worthy of the Dark Urge. And with both Bhaalspawn, Sarevok probably sought to use them for his own ends.
For those confused why Orin reacts this way to this information, it’s not because of the incest.
Orin reacts this way because it’s a realization that she is in-fact not a Bhaalspawn. Her father is Sarevok, and her mother was an unknown doppelgänger. She has no parental relation to Bhaal, meaning she has absolutely no claim over the role of chosen in Bhaal’s cult, and furthermore than she is effectively a nobody who usurped the entire cult for herself without the birthright to ever do so.
It isn’t the fact that her mother is also her sister that destroys her. It’s the fact that an image she has been building for herself as a form of control effectively gets completely shattered right in front of her, and she doesn’t have the emotional tools to correct the fallout from her shattered self image.
Definitely agree it’s the realization that bhaal isnt her father, but are the children of bhaalspawn not also bhaalspawn? When I beat the game as an unromanced dark urge, the narrator points out that any children i may have in the future will be tainted bhaalspawn.
@@darkurgediariesit's weird and comes up in the second game, true Bhaal spawn, Bhaal's actual kids, have kids that can be "bhaal-spawn"
Their a little bit water down and usually aren't as strong as the real deal. Plus they're not actually Bhaal's kids, just descendents
wait till she realizes that she fucked up Bhaals win twice
@@atomicash2475 The entire point of Sarevok's actions that resulted in Orin was to get 'purified Bhaal-spawn essence'. Sarevok wanted to create a 'purer than pure Bhaal-spawn' by... Mingled his Bhaal-spawn blood wiiiiiiiith his daughter's. Meanwhile, Durge is the /most/ Bhaal-spawn Bhaal-spawn that Bhaal has ever... Spawned. Damn, trying saying that five times fast. Durge is /the/ real deal, the celebrity, the hot-shot, while Orin is a product of a lie, and the realisation that she was never even a proper contender for the Cult's leadership, or recognition from her 'father', Bhaal... Just breaks her. She has neither the tools nor the mental fortitude needed to cope with her entire perception of herself, Sarevok, her mother, and Bhaal being flipped.
Orin is nothing but Sarevok's efforts to cope with the Bhaal-spawn dying out. She's the failure of a failure, while Durge has everything she ever wanted without trying. He is everything, she is nothing, and even after she scooped out his brains and made him an amnesiac True Soul... He still returned, still defeated her, and she died knowing that everything she did never mattered, because Bhaal AND Sarevok preferred Durge over her.
Orin is to be pitied above everything else. She never stood a chance of being anything other than the broken monster we met.
All of that and the fact that “B**ches be crazy!”
Trick question: what happens if you use the option 4 ("Bhaal rejoices in such cruel betrayals. You really believed you were the exception")?
I’ll have to test this!
@@darkurgediaries Thanks.
She says the same thing. This was my choice when I took this conversation with Orin. She still say: "No, not him! I did everything for him!"
@@solitaregames Thanks for answering my question.
Lines are usually same. What changes it the DC required.
Its the same reaction you get if you sneak into the room below the fight platform and perform speak with dead on her mothers corpse, she tells you that sarevok ordered her to kill orin and orin didnt know that.
Orin: I did everything for him...
Me: Oh, no. Don't tell me you're expecting a daughter-sister-aunt?
I mean, if she thought her father was Bhaal himself, it still would have been incestuous would it not?
It's not about the incest, it's about who the real father is. She thought Bhaal was her dad when she was just some offspring of a worshiper. Even worse, it's a moment of realization that she is a sacrifice not a champion.
Yes but the gods decided it's okay when the gods do it.
@@sithis36 in my localization this moment is completely ruined ._. and I thought she was so upset because Sarevok made her mother kill her
no, when the gods do it its divine not gross...or some other BS :D
@@MsPumpkinOwlshes equally upset by both. Cuz it slanders her idol. She isnt doing all this for bhaal thats why hes upset in the end. Shes upset the person she was actually worshipping was using and betrayed her. She only cares about her grandfather/dad thinks not bhaal.
She did it all for Geralt, undestandable.
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@@alphahunterd Doug Cockle is known for his voice-over of Geralt of Rivia and he is also the voice of Bhaal here, and he sounds very much like dark Geralt :)
What!? No way! I didn't recognize him! Also his voice sounds so oddly nice for a god of murder. Lols @@alyasya8226
Man. You know I always knew Sarevok was a bad guy but I didn't know he was a BAD guy.
your parents are from Alabama and finding that out sends you straight to Detroit.
May the gods of Ohio have mercy on you, praise the California man.
I am not even american but why does this sound relatable?
So the anger issues aren't a personality trait but pathological one.
Explains a lot.
That explains more about her mental state.
What really did her in was that her mom tried to kill her.. not because she was a crazy killer from childhood, but because she wanted Baal's blessing and her father/grandfather ordered it.
My Bard twisted the knife: "Did you really think it would be different for you?"
It’s even worse when you hear what sarevok did to her growing up, daily torture and blood letting, absolutely sick! I’ve linked that video at the end of this one.
I like how she thinks Saervok cares about things like “morals” or “laws” about incest (or anything for that matter).
So near the end of Baldur 2, Sarevok's begs you to revive him, claiming he is a changed man and wont do evil things again. Even joins your party if you want him. I was completely against reviving him cuz I didnt trust him at all but you are kinda forced to do it anyway. And seeing that mf back to his evil ways was already bad enough, but going as far as having a baby with his own daughter too? I knew he was bad but goddamn, this is too much. He even tells you to kill her too cuz you are a better Bhaalspawn than Orin. In my game I just killed him again, I was so tired of the guy. lol
Such a weird choice they made, they made him truly deplorable! He also says he wishes you could have had a child with orin too 🤢
@@darkurgediaries for once, that bad choice of making Sarovek a bad guy again who's only existence is worshipping Bhaal isn't Larian's choice (unlike every other bad thing in the game, which is many) that was WOTC who did that with the release of the Minsc book that pissed all over BG1 and 2
I let him live lol, I was like "you little scamp" when I saw he was back
Then when you go back to him after killing Orin, he tries to kill you! Evil bastard
In my game I revived him and then slapped the Helmet of Opposite Alignment on him. Nothing better than a Lawful Good Sarevok :D
Damn, she's got a sister-mother
And grandfather-father.
Which also makes Durge both her uncle and grandfather, since Durge is technically a brother to Sarevok, as they both are pure bhaalspawns.
@@Saren-yc1rkНа самом деле, там не все так понятно. Скелеритас говорил, что Орин сестра Дурджу. Саревок говорил, что он дедушка Дурджу. НО Дурдж был создан со всеми остальными отродьями баала…. Так что вообще я запутался😅
@@Dmitrysolo погоди, даже если дург -- ящер? Хороший там у них в воротах тамада...
And a grandfather-father-lover.
BG3 really is the game you can experience something new every run
I started off hating Orin & wanting revenge for what she did to Durge, to honestly just feeling really sorry for her. The longer the game went on, the less I saw her as being a monster (which she obviously still kind of is, with how many she’s killed) and the more I saw her as being a victim of severe child abuse and indoctrination.
It’s just sad she didn’t get the second chance Durge did because Bhaal Slayer’d her as soon as she hesitated; it really drives home how cruel a god he is.
I winder if she is enough generations removed that she could have a redemption? Depending on genetics which are funky she could be anywhere from nearly full (but not quite) bhaalspawn to mostly human/changeling, since both of her parents were half bhaal half human/changeling. Makes you wonder if she could overcome it like durge did, and withers could resurrect just her human side..
Remember that the only reason Durge even got a second chance, though, is because Orin got jealous and jumped them and scrambled their brains. Orin, by vying for power and acting upon it, inadvertently gave Durge a second chance at life. I highly doubt Orin would be allowed a new lease on life, like, ever, unless she had very similar, specific actions taken on her, but there isn't anyone around to do that...
She’s a very tragic character in my eyes. She never had a chance to be anything else.
Even Orin, depraved beast that she was, was not prepared to accept the reality of Bhaal's full demands.
Says something about what kind of person Dark Urge was, or could again become.
And makes a redemptive Dark Urge all the more satisfying
Wait so if you take this route as the favored of Bhaal it's potentially a Slayer Durge versus a Slayer Orin?
With these choices you don’t get the chance to transform before the fight but i suppose you could transform during, just without an epic cutscene haha
If you play as Tav, Orin becomes the Slayer every time. But if you play Durge and you fulfill the requirements to get Slayer form, Orin gets locked out of it. If you resist the urge, Orin becomes the Slayer instead. Only 1 Slayer can exist at a time. If you unlock it first, Orin is locked out of it and will duel you in her base form but if you want to be redeemed Durge, Bhaal will make Orin the Slayer instead.
@@Jacqli-Rivoli i believe if you do what i did in this video and bhaal makes her a slayer as punishment to her, you can then transform into your own slayer form during battle and fight her.
@@darkurgediaries Oh I didn't know that! Neat!
Yes .
Probably at least partially just a work-saving method, but it's kinda funny that she has the same reaction to both this AND finding out Saravok ordered her mother to kill her. Makes me wonder just how she'd react if you hit her with the double-whammy.
Orin: die
Me with vicious mockery: someone have daddy issues?•
Bard: Starts singing "Twat Souls, Incest Babies, parasites, and idiots...."
Incredible VA for Orin
She also voices Lady Dimitrescu in Resident Evil. 😀
As a fan of SG-1, all I can say is that in every instance of having to deal with Bhaal and his followers, I kept having O'Neill snark popping up in my head.
"Bhaal? As in... Bachi?"
SAME
As a Stargate Atlantis fan, anytime I hear "wraith" my mind immediately goes "life-sucking space vampire goths, right?" 😆
Strange to me that she would have a problem with it.
Even murderhobos have standards, I guess.
it would be really and i mean REALLY weird if Orin was like "And?"
It felt ao good to provoke her. Never felt better to interrupt a boss speech with that roast.
Well I think that’s the prettiest custom character I seen so far
Ahh thank you so much!! 🤍🤍
Oh interesting, so she's forced into the slayer form here
All that smack talk and she crumbles when finds out she’s an Alabama Baby on steroids
- her father is her grandfather
- her mother is her older sister
- constantly changes her appearance
Now this is certified Umineko reference
I love how he doesn't even deny it.
Never knew that the Butcher of Blaviken, would become the lord of murder
At 0:58 that's Doug Cockle, the voice of Geralt of Rivia in The Witcher videogame series
Damn, I can recognize it now that you've pointed it out
And in the end, Orin learns the lesson our Dark Urge learnt over the course of their travels. Bhaal doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
Geralt went from Wircher to God Of Murder. Hell of an upgrade
Jeeeeeesus. I felt that something is off when I stumbled across Orin the second time, and that feeling was getting stronger after each encounter. Like she is an abandoned or abused baby who was looking for attention. God, I feel her :(
When a human mind is darker than a dark spawn.
Woah woah woah
What’s with scleritis in this run
That Debby downer was telling me I should have trained harder once she transformed
It’s because i was already a slayer here, in this version Bhaal is forcing Orin to be a slayer as a punishment but i already am a slayer so sceleritas won’t say that!
this is some crusader kings type shit
Sheesh, I thought we had family issues being a Bhaalspawn in the first games. Nothing like slaying your half brother, amirite?
I'm so glad Larian tied things back to the originals, aside from just locations on the map. Especially Minsc, he's just too funny.
I feel like this is more the dialogue was not expanded, I don't think she'd actually have a problem with the incest considering Durge is referred to as her sibling and if you play as Tav his naked body is in her room. The dialogue reaction is exactly the same if you tell her Sarevok ordered her murder, and the wording is clearly made for that response, the wording doesn't make much sense here. There are a few dialogues here and there that feel like they should have unique reactions but just don't and usually the wording is weird like this. Unless she has issue with the 'abuse' part, and her response is about that.
Grandfather loves you alright, cus you look just like your mother~
"Orin, Orin - what a prick"
Maggie Robertson fucking nailed the lines here. You can truly hear her disbelief and intense feeling of betrayal. It _almost_ makes you feel bad for Orin.
She means grandfather/father loves her.
heh... it looks a bit goofy in the end when shes in the slayer form and then just square up
Wait, what? I haven't received that dialogue option before. Dang. Time for a 3rd Durge playthrough...
Ngl I kinda feel bad for her with this information
Larian trashing Sarevok redemption in ToB.
I never thought I would feel pity for Orin, but goddamn.
That's one of the few things i dont like in bg3, sarevok had such a redemption arch in bg2, but they made him someone that abused his own daughter and granddaughter
The voice actor was different too.
It's a change that was introduced by WOTC not Larian. It sucks nonetheless, still.
.. Tbh id be perfectly cool living out my days as that badass monster she turns into the end, THAT THING WAS SICK
Christ bless you, how did they make me feel bad for HER!
Wait until you here what her father-grandpa had to say about it th-cam.com/video/aKlttcIfKaw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Q3SC3Vg9tkmmdYeP
Poor Orin... her feelings are no different from the human ones... she gave all of herself to the one she loved... she didn't deserve those scars. 😭
Orin is such a good assassin that she has never seen herself in the mirror either, clearly, cause anyone who looked like that and was aware of it would probably figure they had were conceived by a brother and sister, probably on heroin as well.
Oof 😂 🔥
kinda wish we could save Orin
Roasted so hard Bhaal himself had to intervene
I have 55 hours in this game so far and still have not met this Orin character but now I REALLY WANT TO WTF!!!
I’m at over 700 hours and I’m still seeing new things this game is nuts
the voice actor of bhaal is the voice actor for geralt of rivia!
Idk why but her having a mental breakdown is kinda hot I mean after everything she put the mc through I find it kinda cathartic that she gets her karma like this ❤
I kind of wish that you could use that knowledge to convince her to fight against Baahl's plans with you, if you choose to play the Baahlspawn who fights their nature. You could use the religion check to tell her how "Baahl encourages depraved acts like incest." And, maybe, if you can pass a few more skill checks, you can convince her to help you. Like you can with Minthara.
That would be awesome. I fear the torture she endured growing up plus her bhaal genes drove her mad sadly
Exceptional voice acting
Orin's voice actor is absolutely incredible, loved her in resident evil too!!
Baahl is like "you did it for me, remember?"
clears through and coughs... nepotism! lol
This is the dark urges ultimate revenge. Orin broke the dark urges mind with a blade. The dark urge does it with just a few words.
why would she even care?
Because it means that she wasn't the child of Bhaal, but rather the child of his child. Probably a massive status hit.
@@MrNote-lz7lh ah... ok so incest wasnt the problem. that makes sense.
im surprised that she even cares about an incest and reacts that way, i thought that character like her will be chill about it
Idk if it’s true but I read somewhere that orin tried to run away when she was younger (durge too)☹️ she’s a really tragic character but I’m glad at how larian chose to made her unapologetic evil regardless.
Is it just me or does your dark urge look like they’re about to sacrifice the band of the hawk?
Too bad I will never see such outcomes because even in my second run right now I find it impossible to be mean or rude to people. No way I can ever play Dark Urge xD
I’m so non-confrontational irl that I find it fun to be my polar opposite in game 😆
First run I completed was for Bhaal. In Bhaal we trust.👍
I was like that for my first couple playthroughs, I have a REALLY hard time being mean in video games. I tried doing a Dark Urge run a while back but gave up on it during Act 2. But a couple weeks ago I got the urge to do another playthrough, and made up my mind that this time I WOULD do a Dark Urge playthrough and I WOULD complete it.
It's VERY much worth it. Playing as Durge ties you more closely to the story and gives new context and background information on certain important things. Also you don't HAVE to be mean, you can fight against it the entire game if you want. But I decided to go more chaotic evil, killed Isobel to gain the Slayer form (soooo much fun) and let Shadowheart kill the Nightsong so she could become a Dark Justiciar. I let Astarion become an ascended vampire too. Shadowheart was very supportive of his decision.
Oh and if you're a Bhaalspawn you get extra interactions with Jaheira and Minsc. Also Sarevok gets annoyed with you if they're in your party when you go to his underground layer.
I’m playing DU right now as a lolth sworn drow and I’m nice and helpful. I’m already on very high approval from wyll and I haven’t even left chapter 1 yet. In my headcanon my durge just took a massive blow to the head.
I get that some quests give you evil options, but generally, arent you missing out on a lot of quests by telling people it's not your business or to go eff themselves? I kinda wanna try a playthrough with giving the meanest answers someday, but it will be so hard to disappoint those poor people xD @@samvimes9510
Can’t believe this was the same voice as big lady from resident evil
"Yer a wizard, Harry"
Aww pwoor wiitle Owrin does it Huwt That no one truly loves you?😢😂
Better than a matter baby for sure lmao
Whats a matter baby?
nothing, whats a matter with you? @@studentemail19
@@studentemail19 An involuntarily aborted fetus, apparently.
who is steve jobs
Is that Geralt?!? Voicing Bhaal
yes
That thing died in one turn 😂
'Oh yeah, at least I aint INBRED"
Ah I remember killing Orin within one round in my slayer form.
The more I see of this game. The more I want it
It’s worth every cent, I’ve got nearly 800 hours in it and I’m STILL finding new scenes!
give in. first game I've enjoyed since WOW in 2013
ok, I just realized I should totally play this game XD
This game is a work of art.
Opus Magnum.
why is _this_ the aspect of her character that most unsettles me, of all things?
I like to think that Durge knew this tidbit of info before they got all brain scrambled since, you know, they were the head of the cult. I can perfectly imagine Gortash discussing how much he dislikes Orin to Durge before the beginning of Act 1, only for them to nod their head and go: "Oh yeah, she's the worst. Don't worry, I got a *really* funny joke to tell her when the time's right. Then I'll convince her to jump off a cliff. It's gonna be hilarious!"
This game is so ominously written... She murders innocentrs whit glee all the time, does horrible things, but then "incest!", and she breaks down
interesting. in my normal tav playthrough talked to her mother's corpse with speak with dead, and the dialogue option i got was that her father told her mother to attempt to kill her. i'm doing a durge run now but i'm curious when we find our she's a product of incest
It’s extremely easy to miss the lore, you have to locate a private letter in sarevoks desk in his private chamber