During this fight, I had Jaheira throw Boo in Sarevok's face and the space hamster managed to kill him. It felt like the greatest conclusion possible for the old characters from BG 1/2.
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Giving Minsc the sword of chaos is really funny to me because that’s what he used for most of my BG2 playthrough, so I just imagine him going “Ah, yes, my great weapon returns! How did Sarevok steal this from Minsc?”
Sarevok's voice is FUCKING insane. I imagine the reason Jaheira and Minsc didn't say anything before he adressed them was because they wanted to listen his saultry tones.
I can not imagine how Karlah would survive this moment - Minsk, Jaheira and Baal's spawn are about to kill Sarevok and she could do it with her. She would probably die from heart attack, but still, it would be the best moment of her life XD
Look at it this way. They went with the evil ending of Sarevok. I do however wish good Sarevok was the Canon they went with. Mincs, Jaheira Sarevok Party would have been awesome.
His (possible) reformation where he (maybe) managed to get Chaotic Good alignment (in some playthroughs, but usually just the ones that played with a guide, because it required some pretty specific dialogue choices, and most good-aligned player characters wouldn't likely keep him in the party anyway).
@@OneTrueNobody Except in canon that even BG3 acknowledged, Gordion's ward was a good guy so he would follow the reformation path the way it lead to him to reformation. Larian simply didn't like the idea of it and retconned it by making Sarevok suddenly abandon every lesson he learned and become a dog on a leash to a failing god whome he already saw as weak in BG1 let alone BG2, but now he is his greatest fan.
If you kill the Echoes, he gains powerful permanent buffs including immunity to Hold Person. Best strategy is to stun or polymorph the Echoes before unloading on Sarevok.
Huh, interesting, because Sarevok in my playthrough literally can't be restrained. He either gets the saving throw and frees himself, gets hastened or one of his minions help him and that after casting hold person at least 4 times to actually succeed in holding him. Either i'm casting with the wrong characters (Minthara/Shadowheart) or Larian patched this strategy.
They patched it. In my file I did manage to make it stick for one round but he shook it off. Also I think it depends on where you fight him too, it's easier in the throne room and harder when you wait until he's in the sacrifice room
@@yakuzajoe At that point your party should be lvl 12 already which makes the fight a non-eventful one in most cases. My first ever Baldurs Gate/DND playthrough without min maxing I easily smacked him in turn 3 on tactician while making a couple mistakes (not hasting my spellcaster, getting counter spelled on a very potent debuff and not killing Sarevok before the ghost pit sanctuary on him), my partys total HP loss was around 40 iirc.
You're the 2nd person whose said that. Why? For me, he gets Lilarcor almost immediately and carries it pretty much through the end of at least SoA, if not ToB.
I felt so bad when I didn't bring either Jaheira or Minsc (or Boo) to this encounter. I had no idea the murder trial would feature Sarevok plus I was too eager to push the story along on my first run. I did put them on my team the instant I got them in my second play-through and kept them active until Orin was defeated. But even after that, I ended up using them the most out of all companions. Didn't quite manage to kill the Elder Brain with a Boo-throw, but I did try.. :D They're just so entertaining to have around - especially Minsc is. I wish both would make their appearance earlier in the game, but I guess they're now relegated to being supporting characters. Time for a BG1 and BG2 remake with BG3 technology!
I suggest putting Minsc in your party with Astarion and heading toHeapside Strand waypoint. Head down the stairs and you should trigger a funny bit of banter between them.
I never played the OG game but i recognised him immediately from that helmet, my Dad had the original games and he was on one of the covers and was in the opening cinematic and I remember it so clearly because he terrified me from the opening Cinematic
Part of me is happy that I saw Sarevok once again but mine heart is sad that mine trying to give him redenption arc by talking with him and changing his character from neutral evil to chaotic good was... For nothing. I was hopeing that I wont see him once again not as enemy but as potencial allay.
worse what you did worked but it was a cats paw. baal had one last trick up his sleave. last living baalspawn becomes baal by force. sadly abden was last and guess who shares a soul with him. savarok. if it wasnt abden he probably would have been fine
That's just RPG sequels for you. There can be a dozen or more different endings to a game but it's sequel can only choose *a single one* of them to be the canon one that continues the story. That's just one of the cons of RPGs and a pro of linear stories like TLOU. It is what it is.
@@Karlach_ you want a good example of that just look at mass effect. they literly didnt know how to end the game, while for a fallow up game they didnt even try to fallow up on what actualy happen and just straight up left the galexy. while the sequal that is currently in development it seems like they took the 500+ year route aka its been so long all the endings except for the worst kinda just become the same as so much time passed
@@Karlach_ I mean, it's not really Baldur's Gate though, is it? They could've just not brought him back at all, since his story was finished. What I think Larian *should've* done, if they were going to steal the Baldur's Gate name, is to center BG3 around Imoen; center the game around her journey, since she really didn't have one in BG1/2, and bring back a few characters who had room to grow, like Anomen or Mazzy. Bringing back Minsc, Jaheira, Sarevok... in story there's no reason to do that, they did that just to try to give some legitimacy to the "Baldur's Gate" title they gave to their D&D game.
I remember approaching his chambers after the Knights and being super giddy because I could feel Sarevok's presence as I approached. It was a feeling of "heh, I can't wait to show you what's up again.
I hadn't played the previous games and had no idea what I was in for when I found this place. I was feeling pretty tough by now at max level with some decent gear. Then I found this mofo with his ability sheet full of 20's and his chunky AC. I was sweating when my character was desperately lying through the encounter because I was sure this dude who's vocal chords were made of subwoofer was going to get mad and start one shotting people.
I didn't know Sarevok was in the game and just happen to wander around with these two since they're act 3 only companions I got chills when I saw him and seeing my party talking shit Its like being a kid again
i was streaming this game for a few friends and although i didnt get minsc because jaheira died in act 2, when i reached this part of the game i was like NO WAY, IS THAT HIM IS THAT SAREVOK? and my friends had no clue who the hell he was. they have never played bg1 or 2 so i had to tell them why i was so excited.
I don't think they should have brought Sarevok back. He was freed from Bhaal's essence when he died. He could have chosen his own path after he was resurrected. Throne of Bhaal also took place 100 years before Bhaal returned. And everyone thought that Bhaal was permanently dead after ToB. Plus even if Sarevok remained evil, I don't know if he would have returned to Bhaal. He never really worshiped Bhaal in the first place. He didn't want to become Bhaal's champion, he wanted to become a god himself. I think Sarevok would be too ambitious to chase after the favor of Bhaal, who is barely even a god after his return. I think Sarevok would have grander plans.
I don't think Sarevok had much of a choice. He was brought back by a small amount of Bhaal's essence (from either Gorion's Ward or Imoen) So when Bhaal came back, he took control of that essence, and Sarevok along with it.
@@xaviervega468 worst part it was abden who became baal. yes it was by force because of a hidden claus but he still became baal and guess who shares a soul with him. saravok hell im prity sure he did go good for a while. dude got a family and everything after all. then he went evil and preceded to corrupt and turn them mad for his brother.
Sarevok returned to Bhaal because he was trying to reclaim whatever power he had during the event's of BG1 and that was (realistically) his way to do so
@@Nihilmace- The problem is this IS THE Original Version of Sarevok no matter if you like it or not. WoTC made an official cannon that Larian followed, or rather was forced to follow because of the IP. Bioware doesnt have a slightest say or Larian in it.
I would've been elated if those three mentioned Gorion's Ward while talking about the past events of BG1 and 2. Not a direct mention, just something like "your brother" or "our long-lost companion"... Nevertheless, it's nice to see that Larian kept a memento of the old games!
Not that I dislike Matt Mercer, I like him, and he did a great job in BG3. But Jim Cummings is still alive as well. Would have been awesome for him to return for Minsc.
@@stormsavant Viconia, Sarevok, Jaheira, Minsc, the Five. None of the original voice actors return in the game. Mercer's was the only decent performance here.
Meeting Sarevok for the first time was one of the few moments I was casually playing and had to sit the fuck up from serious interest. The atmosphere, how it goes from kinda dank little cave to an immediate shift into terror from the short time it takes to get to the Tribunal room. The bloody ghost aspects who are all crazy females and crazy passive effects on Death. Like I figured it would be more doppledangers not the fames previous MAIN antagonist holy shit. I read the aspect details and managed to aoe two on accident....holy shit not a good time. I think they should have naturally gave him the aspect buffs, because I think that is a truly peak and potentially challenging fight, while also staying true to how great of a fighter he is. The characer screams "Danger" from before you even get into the room all the way and his Frenzy roar was awesome. I know for a fact a good amount of people who met this dude took the camera and panned to him like "👀 who tf...oh shit". Tbh, he is the reason I started using Karlach because I think the Frenzy screams are badass. I wasnt ready for his Deathbringer assault and he instantly killed one of my companions, while healing and then smacking tf out of someone else after my friend died. He had me genuinely shook my first playthrough bc I was doing it all blind with no previous knowledge on how to use everything correctly. Man that fight music was awesome too. Besides Cazador and Orin who I think have the same song, this fight was top of the list for me for setting and music. I stumbled into this on accident not knowing the history of these three but instantly remembered the few times they did mention him and was like wait..."this is the mf you guys talkin about? we gotta gtf outta here NOW!!!* . Like the moment I met the Paladins waiting at the door, I was scared. How they just straight up ask for tribute and tell you if its not good enough all 3 of his mates will rend you flesh from bone. I was MORE scared of them at first because Paladins can absolutely turn a fight around with a smite and they had a shit ton of HP. I never heard his VA nor do I care to compare, I think Wylls by far got the absolutely lamest and cringiest shit to say. Anchev had me with the introduction. I think he is a great character, and they made him visually look pretty damn awesome looking at his old art. "You gaze upon Murders Progeny... child" idk that shit just went super hard to me. 😂 Me: "huh?? I am just looking to trade 😢"
sarevok probably had the canon good ending but it was a cats paw ending because abden becomes baal by force. they share a soul thus hes drag to hell with him. viconia probably did as well but the none romanced one, the one where she dosnt fully leave shar. the actual evil one has her end up dead in a ditch, while the good one if it happened would also have her end up dead as she would have been with abden when he transformed. so they picked the neutral option as thats the only one where she would be alive in. problem is thats a path of doom. congrajulation viconia you got redemption but you just went from one abuser to another expecting everything to be hunky dory. na shars going to play with you like a fiddle till she breaks you and turns you back into the monster you just beat. she like anyone who prey to the more evil aligned gods are just fucking ideots who get what coming to them if they chose to stay. this is all on viconia. so smart, but also so dumb
When you think about it, Gortash is basically pulling Sareviok 2.0, orchestrating a war and killing the leadership of the city to make himself the center of the defense effort and end up in control of everything.
This is a really cool call back but at the same time it makes no sense for Sarevok to be there and in any way shape or form on Baal's good graces. Not only was Sarevok actively trying to do anything to be the new god of murder meaning he had full plans to betray Baal, he also lost. When he was killed in BG1 the part of him that was Baalspawn was removed from his soul (He even tells the player character this in BG:II Throne of Baal). In that game the player can choose to resurrect Sarevok and if done so he becomes a companion for the game, and then depending on how the player operates in the game it opens Sarevok's mind and he actually has a morality change. So to see him here while cool and all makes no sense to me, I would rather have seen him make a guest apperance in the temple of Baal as a temporary companion, challenging his 'father' and fighting with the player character in that one, and maybe even becoming a companion in the group which would have been a lot more interesting at least to me.
@@Lily_OrchardThe information has been there for a while now, plus these are evil characters, should that be their canon ending, this makes no sense, would you like it If a good character turned up with the opposite alignement change just because they were fan favorites of evil players, let evil characters be evil
For some grandaddy old age worshipper of the god of murder, he sure likes to hear his own voice. Surely he skilled into the pretentious bard class over the years. Less talking more killing. Bhaal would approve, probably already having a headache with all this exposition dump going on and Orin not being able to shut up and kill people. Well, nothing Hunger of Hadar can't fix. Thanks for the video though. Lovely to see Larian implement Minsc and Jaheira well.
Ahhhh, Sarevok liked to talk in the original game, too. His plan for murder involved taking a position of political power in the city, after all. It was really only once he was backed into a corner that he got down to business and, even then, it was the trap-ridden arena where the final boss took place that was the real threat. That and, well, the fact that he came at you with a full party of allies. ...I did not fight fair. I Skull Trapped him and his party into little bitty pieces because I was playing the Enhanced Edition, which makes that a valid tactic.
This fight, is actually a lot of fun. Other than the fact he is hard af to hit after killing his sanctuary minions, no matter, the fight is awesome. I’m a noob and just pop an Invuln orb, with bless and spirit guardians, keep him at the edge of the orb and just wail on him lol…
Got to replay this on tactician, playing on normal several bosses didn’t get to attack because I had too many option to stun lock them. Though it might be ideal that they don’t get a turn if they’re anything like Raphael who killed Hope when he got a turn. The solution ended up being a hastened monk punching each pillar once with radiant fists to essentially silence him until the cambions were cleaned up.
Statistic data taken from other RPGs have shown that the majority of players try to be "good" compared to "evil". And I'm pretty certain that every single person playing the older Baldur's Gate and trying to be good at least attempted to redeem Sarevok, so I find it a little bit strange that they chose to make his canon outcome not being redeemed.
At the same time; not that many people who like playing pure good campaigns would have Sarevok to begin with. Even if u did, it wasnt that easy to get him to be chaotic good (required some specific dialogue choices). So i guess its not that strange either
@@mizu7662 Viconia only gets redeemed if you romance her in BG2. Her leading a Shar enclave is what happens if you don't romance her, which is what is referenced in BG3. This is kind of expected though. There isn't a canon romance for BG2.
Sorry but villains like Sarevok don't deserve redemption, you can't "fix" everyone, just because the game allows you to do things one way, don't mean your favorite path is the canon one, Silent Hills canon ending is that to me
After seeing Sav i did this step back to confront three, too. The fight feels right, but this also means the kidnapped companion will be killed by orin :/ ...so, tried also the bad path...But i was a bit disapointed about the weak reaction of all other companions... yea, they comment that very questionable, but i was sure at least 1 another will leave the camp if u choosed to sacrifice both... and not enough... i even carried their bodies to Jahieras home... Kids dont react (and, of course, this was just a test for reaction and not the path i stayed on - reload the won fight ;) !)
@@elenalizabeth Attack Orin during her monologue, before she ritually kills your companion (you can always attack during a hostile conversation, which I think is a great way to punish over-dramatic enemies ;))
@@SlayerOfMadness I want to get that achievement for killing her (kill her while they are chanting or something?) as I’ve gotten the one for Myrkle, the spider matriarch, the surgeon, toll collector, etc.
@@elenalizabeth Yeah, I got this achievement when I attacked Orin during dialogue. I did however kill her in the first or second turn (evocation magic missles are just special)
As it turns out, Seravok was right. There ARE only two ways in. In this case it just so happened that Saravok was the flesh into which the parties devotion was carved.\
Hurts my heart knowing they didn't get Kevin Michael Richardson to do the voice of Sarevok. Losing David Warner last Summer means no cameos from him either. Sigh.
The echos are weird. Not sure why Amellyssan is an echo. She's not even a Bhaalspawn, and she betrayed Bhaal anyway. She's a normal human priestess of Bhaal who tried to steal his power for herself.
@@RG32822 Sendai and Ilasera makes sense. Amellyssan on the other hand shouldn't be there. Her soul was annhilated when she welded it to Bhaal's taint.
Imma be honest After watching a friend absolutely clown Sarevok with damn near nothing except for Astarion with a paralysis amulet and 4 ghouls...he lost a lot of his intimidation factor
I quite don‘t understand how he can be alive after 100 years. Necromany rituals? Because he was a Chosen of Bhaal even if Bhaal just a quite deity or because a part of his soul is in him?
Do her act 3 quest, there's a hidden room in her house, inside that hidden room is yet another hidden room, gives you that scimitar, a nice stun on hit staff and a +1 wisdom helm
@@redchaos98 In my game I pretty much always make her a "Cleric/Ranger" now - functionally that's what a Druid is, but Cleric/Ranger is really powerful while Druid is a fucking terrible shit class in BG - so she can't wield bladed weapons. I typically give the the Flail of Ages. And the Mace of Disruption for fighting vampires. (I tweak a few other things too: some are obvious, like how Anomen should become a Paladin - although Fighter/Cleric is useful too, so not always; Mazzy should DEFINITELY be a Paladin - I much prefer 2.5e rules to 3, but the race/class restrictions in 2.5e is bullshit, the dual/multi-class nuances are cool but again, the restrictions are bullshit; and obviously Minsc should be a Barbarian, or at least Berserker... Nalia being mage/thief makes some sense, but she feels like a replacement for Imoen, so I like to make her an Archer. It's a really useful class, it makes sense to me that she would pick up archery and some tracking/ranger skills living in a castle in the wilderness, and the most obvious Favored Enemy of all time: Trolls.)
As someone who did play the originals this is a terrible downgrade. The original voice was so fucking good and this sounds very awkward and like a cartoon villain.
Between this and Viconia I wonder why even bring back these characters if you're only going to undo the character growth that made them cool characters
@@ChristhegreatbroYou would have a point If Jaheira and Minsc were also treated like this, both Sarevok and Viconia are evil aligned characters from the start, they always were going to go down the evil path, you can't "fix" them
@@Christhegreatbro the good and bad take at the same time. The thing you said is true, but Larian followed WoTC cannon which they had to if they wanted to create a game from their IP.
so evil people cannot be slowly changed over the course of two games and many events? Minsc was brought back as pure fan service but was still true to Minsc ill give you that , Jahiera was also done really well , so you are absolutely correct there. I wouldent have to big of a problem with Vicy coming back evil , she sort of has little choice in the matter when it comes to service of her evil god , But she behaves like she hasent changed at all and that shes happily willingly a slave of her god , which just kind of feels cheap. I would have loved to see her being a more damaged , jaded Drow then the one we knew from BG1,2 Saeravok is just embarrassing , they grabbed the main villain of the 1st game and cheapened him by making him a barely important throw away boss and a giant simp to Bhaal , its a massive disservice to a pretty solid villain . I thought him turning good was something that made sense considering Abdel crushed all his dreams and he is a fragment of Abdel anyway. I just look at the whole situation there and ask myself..."Why did they have to bring him back if just for that" It made him look weak and it felt like a giant fan service to have him back just to fight him again with Jaheira and Minsc by your side. I am also well aware that these are things WoTC have written in their canon long ago , that does not make it any less crappy@@MrNoot39449
I love how everyone knows Minsc is an idiot even the bad guys. I wish they had a line for jaheira about Minsc being an idiot who killed Baals supposed number 1 guy, proving sarevok is a complete loser
Can anyone tell me if you can get the vendor to spawn if you dont align with Sarevok? Even as an enemy so I can knock him out and steal all his stuff. I would rather keep Jaheira and Minsc but he has some very useful items for my Gloomstalker/Assassin PC.
During this fight, I had Jaheira throw Boo in Sarevok's face and the space hamster managed to kill him. It felt like the greatest conclusion possible for the old characters from BG 1/2.
Wot lm😂
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You made me wish to da the same
Can't believe Minsc let you do such a thing without finishing you out of rage...
I managed to do the same against Sarevok and the Elder Brain...
The hamster was the snag in the absolute's plan.😂
Tav: How'd he get his old sword back!?!
Jaheria: we sold it to a merchant back in Amn. We probably shouldn't have done that.
They were young and they really needed the money.
lmaoooo fantastic
That's legitimately what I did with his weapon in my BG1 playthrough XD
lol
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"how many times have we gotta teach you this lesson OLD MAN"
I remember DMing BG as a pen and paper campaign and having a lot of fun with Tazok as a recurring boss.
This comment made me laugh as soon as I saw it ! 😂
Giving Minsc the sword of chaos is really funny to me because that’s what he used for most of my BG2 playthrough, so I just imagine him going “Ah, yes, my great weapon returns! How did Sarevok steal this from Minsc?”
Was sold to a merchant by a thief who stole it from minsc when he turned to stone.
To be fair, Minsc's main occupation for the last century was being a statue 🤣 So i suspect, that his stuff got raided and sold a long time ago 😂
Sarevok's voice is FUCKING insane.
I imagine the reason Jaheira and Minsc didn't say anything before he adressed them was because they wanted to listen his saultry tones.
Not as good as the original.
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@@spookrockcitydefinitely would've preferred Kevin Michael Richardson to movie trailer bloke
The voice reminded me a bit of Tony Todd's, and now I wish we could've had him 😅
He also voice Mike/Shadow Man from Shadow Man
I can not imagine how Karlah would survive this moment - Minsk, Jaheira and Baal's spawn are about to kill Sarevok and she could do it with her. She would probably die from heart attack, but still, it would be the best moment of her life XD
Well, good thing she has a car engine instead of a heart. Least she can't get a heart attack.
@@borjaslamic her emotions can make this engine burn)
@@Drzzw yes, you right. But in bg1 и bg2 main character called as baal's spawn, if i not mistaken
I killed Sarevok with Karlach, Minsc, and Jaheira as my party with me but unfortunately she had no reaction dialogue.
@@AV524 very sadly - the same thing.
It was crazy seeing these 4 show up. What a call back.
i wonder if the giant was too big for that scene - or was it because of his heart😆
But.... does it have much else other than a callback?
@@hellsente7826He’s back because he’s in books that take place after BDG2 that turned him into this
4?
Don't forget Boo, @@andresespana3216
Its a shame Sarevok returned to being Bhaals lapdog after entire journey in BG2 and his reformation where he managed to get Chaotic Good allignment
Look at it this way. They went with the evil ending of Sarevok. I do however wish good Sarevok was the Canon they went with. Mincs, Jaheira Sarevok Party would have been awesome.
His (possible) reformation where he (maybe) managed to get Chaotic Good alignment (in some playthroughs, but usually just the ones that played with a guide, because it required some pretty specific dialogue choices, and most good-aligned player characters wouldn't likely keep him in the party anyway).
Yeah... I always take him in BG2 just for some time to talk with him and make sure he change his ways, but we are here.
@@OneTrueNobody Except in canon that even BG3 acknowledged, Gordion's ward was a good guy so he would follow the reformation path the way it lead to him to reformation. Larian simply didn't like the idea of it and retconned it by making Sarevok suddenly abandon every lesson he learned and become a dog on a leash to a failing god whome he already saw as weak in BG1 let alone BG2, but now he is his greatest fan.
tbh all of BG3 is like BG2 never happened.
I almost expect Sarevok to start his lines with "Rated M for Murder"
Hey gamers, did you know Sarevok has almost no chance to resist hold person, an easily spammable 2nd level spell?
... or smokepowder, or knockdown (my Ninja Astarion ie. Thief4/OH Monk8 trips Sarevok up and then everyone slaps him)
If you kill the Echoes, he gains powerful permanent buffs including immunity to Hold Person. Best strategy is to stun or polymorph the Echoes before unloading on Sarevok.
Huh, interesting, because Sarevok in my playthrough literally can't be restrained. He either gets the saving throw and frees himself, gets hastened or one of his minions help him and that after casting hold person at least 4 times to actually succeed in holding him. Either i'm casting with the wrong characters (Minthara/Shadowheart) or Larian patched this strategy.
They patched it. In my file I did manage to make it stick for one round but he shook it off. Also I think it depends on where you fight him too, it's easier in the throne room and harder when you wait until he's in the sacrifice room
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At that point your party should be lvl 12 already which makes the fight a non-eventful one in most cases.
My first ever Baldurs Gate/DND playthrough without min maxing I easily smacked him in turn 3 on tactician while making a couple mistakes (not hasting my spellcaster, getting counter spelled on a very potent debuff and not killing Sarevok before the ghost pit sanctuary on him), my partys total HP loss was around 40 iirc.
This is the epitome of how many times must we teach you this lesson old man.
Giving Minsc The Sword of Chaos? Well I've done that before :)
You're the 2nd person whose said that. Why? For me, he gets Lilarcor almost immediately and carries it pretty much through the end of at least SoA, if not ToB.
I’m recovering from a flu right now and can mimic Sarevoks voice, and am trying to relish every bit of it. 😂
I went back just to put those two in my party for this interaction. How could you not?
I am watching this because I didn't. I am too comfortable with my current party to change it for such a big fight.
i had only default loot on Jaheira, but I still brought her here, cause she's so cool and needs to be here
@@Saphira1001fanficrespec them to the same specs as the ppl u swap out and give them the armor of the people you swap out. Ez
Because I didn't know. BG3 is my first BG game ever =)
@@thesorrow312 thats actually a really good idea… damnit why have I never thought of that 🤦♀️ I love Karlachs personality but Gales abilities
I felt so bad when I didn't bring either Jaheira or Minsc (or Boo) to this encounter. I had no idea the murder trial would feature Sarevok plus I was too eager to push the story along on my first run. I did put them on my team the instant I got them in my second play-through and kept them active until Orin was defeated. But even after that, I ended up using them the most out of all companions. Didn't quite manage to kill the Elder Brain with a Boo-throw, but I did try.. :D
They're just so entertaining to have around - especially Minsc is. I wish both would make their appearance earlier in the game, but I guess they're now relegated to being supporting characters. Time for a BG1 and BG2 remake with BG3 technology!
I suggest putting Minsc in your party with Astarion and heading toHeapside Strand waypoint. Head down the stairs and you should trigger a funny bit of banter between them.
Oh hell yeah I would love a remake especially of BG1. Bg2 is already good enough though I think but I would welcome a remake of that too.
Ok but can we talk about the BALLS on Jaheira for her response to Sarevok? XD
Babushka Jaheira super stronk with huge stalinium bollox. It is known.
She's beaten him before. And fought beside him.
Contempt isn't judt for bad guys.
I mean she literally spend her life in danger almost 24/7 for more than a century so ofc shes tired and sassy all the time lul
I'm glad you put this up, my cutscene glitched straight into battle.
I never played the OG game but i recognised him immediately from that helmet, my Dad had the original games and he was on one of the covers and was in the opening cinematic and I remember it so clearly because he terrified me from the opening Cinematic
Your dad and I, we are friends from now on.
Sarevok his such a good antagonist , i love when he yell "They except one of us into the wreckage , brother" or "Yes , the fire rises"
Part of me is happy that I saw Sarevok once again but mine heart is sad that mine trying to give him redenption arc by talking with him and changing his character from neutral evil to chaotic good was... For nothing. I was hopeing that I wont see him once again not as enemy but as potencial allay.
worse what you did worked but it was a cats paw. baal had one last trick up his sleave. last living baalspawn becomes baal by force. sadly abden was last and guess who shares a soul with him. savarok. if it wasnt abden he probably would have been fine
there was always going to be a canon outcome to those event's that you wouldn't have liked
That's just RPG sequels for you. There can be a dozen or more different endings to a game but it's sequel can only choose *a single one* of them to be the canon one that continues the story. That's just one of the cons of RPGs and a pro of linear stories like TLOU.
It is what it is.
@@Karlach_ you want a good example of that just look at mass effect. they literly didnt know how to end the game, while for a fallow up game they didnt even try to fallow up on what actualy happen and just straight up left the galexy.
while the sequal that is currently in development it seems like they took the 500+ year route aka its been so long all the endings except for the worst kinda just become the same as so much time passed
@@Karlach_ I mean, it's not really Baldur's Gate though, is it? They could've just not brought him back at all, since his story was finished.
What I think Larian *should've* done, if they were going to steal the Baldur's Gate name, is to center BG3 around Imoen; center the game around her journey, since she really didn't have one in BG1/2, and bring back a few characters who had room to grow, like Anomen or Mazzy. Bringing back Minsc, Jaheira, Sarevok... in story there's no reason to do that, they did that just to try to give some legitimacy to the "Baldur's Gate" title they gave to their D&D game.
What a voice. Enough to make a grown man cry.
I remember approaching his chambers after the Knights and being super giddy because I could feel Sarevok's presence as I approached. It was a feeling of "heh, I can't wait to show you what's up again.
I hadn't played the previous games and had no idea what I was in for when I found this place. I was feeling pretty tough by now at max level with some decent gear. Then I found this mofo with his ability sheet full of 20's and his chunky AC. I was sweating when my character was desperately lying through the encounter because I was sure this dude who's vocal chords were made of subwoofer was going to get mad and start one shotting people.
I didn't know Sarevok was in the game and just happen to wander around with these two since they're act 3 only companions
I got chills when I saw him and seeing my party talking shit
Its like being a kid again
i was streaming this game for a few friends and although i didnt get minsc because jaheira died in act 2, when i reached this part of the game i was like NO WAY, IS THAT HIM IS THAT SAREVOK? and my friends had no clue who the hell he was. they have never played bg1 or 2 so i had to tell them why i was so excited.
You can control Jaheira in the moonrise fights. Against Zrell, the myrkul girl, and the 1st Ketheric fight.
And I actually got sick when I met this flat caricature of Sarevok.
Disgusting.
This is so amazing. BG1 returned
I like to see Boo goes for the eyes!
I don't think they should have brought Sarevok back. He was freed from Bhaal's essence when he died. He could have chosen his own path after he was resurrected. Throne of Bhaal also took place 100 years before Bhaal returned. And everyone thought that Bhaal was permanently dead after ToB.
Plus even if Sarevok remained evil, I don't know if he would have returned to Bhaal. He never really worshiped Bhaal in the first place. He didn't want to become Bhaal's champion, he wanted to become a god himself. I think Sarevok would be too ambitious to chase after the favor of Bhaal, who is barely even a god after his return. I think Sarevok would have grander plans.
I don't think Sarevok had much of a choice. He was brought back by a small amount of Bhaal's essence (from either Gorion's Ward or Imoen) So when Bhaal came back, he took control of that essence, and Sarevok along with it.
@@xaviervega468 worst part it was abden who became baal. yes it was by force because of a hidden claus but he still became baal and guess who shares a soul with him. saravok
hell im prity sure he did go good for a while. dude got a family and everything after all. then he went evil and preceded to corrupt and turn them mad for his brother.
I think Jaheira said something in BG3 of Sarevok had a chance to choose but he still wind up back to Bhaal.
Sarevok returned to Bhaal because he was trying to reclaim whatever power he had during the event's of BG1 and that was (realistically) his way to do so
I thought they should have brought him back as a lich. That seems a more realistic outcome to me. And would have made a really cool side quest
Even if Sarevok doesn't change the alignment, he should be in Kara-Tur instead of Baldur's Gate.
we dont know when he was in karatur maybe some time later sarevok returns home
Also his death was like 100 years ago so even if from ToB lasted maybe 99 years. That a lot of time to go to Kara-Tur and return to Baldur's Gate
@@wiej007 No, actually, according to the ending, he was written to say he "never came back" after burying Tamoko.
Yea this version of Sarevok isn't as good as the original.
@@Nihilmace- The problem is this IS THE Original Version of Sarevok no matter if you like it or not. WoTC made an official cannon that Larian followed, or rather was forced to follow because of the IP. Bioware doesnt have a slightest say or Larian in it.
By far my favorite moment in this game, that stand off gave me chills.
Ah Serevok...a dude who in my playthrough got paralyzed by a crit from Astarion and than just cloberred to death by the rest of my team...
I would've been elated if those three mentioned Gorion's Ward while talking about the past events of BG1 and 2. Not a direct mention, just something like "your brother" or "our long-lost companion"... Nevertheless, it's nice to see that Larian kept a memento of the old games!
Amazing detail, Saverok's chest has BG1 logo/game icon
Bhaal logo:)
The fact that Kevin Michael Richardson isn't voicing Sarevok in this is blasphemy. Dude's voice is iconic as hell!!!
Not that I dislike Matt Mercer, I like him, and he did a great job in BG3. But Jim Cummings is still alive as well. Would have been awesome for him to return for Minsc.
@@stormsavant Viconia, Sarevok, Jaheira, Minsc, the Five. None of the original voice actors return in the game. Mercer's was the only decent performance here.
@@dnddetective Such a garbage take. They've all been played very well in this game.
@@dnddetective uhhh no lol. Redd Pepper is even more Iconic then KMR. He is the trailer voice guy.
Strongly agree. Jaheira sounds great. Minsc is okay. Sarevok's voice is such a disappointment.
Walking in with two old Baldur's Gate companions and insulting Sarevok. Bhaalsy move.
i always always let boo have the finishing blow. its so cathartic lol
Can you do this as dark urge I'd love too see this interaction
"The wrinkled orb" lmao.
Meeting Sarevok for the first time was one of the few moments I was casually playing and had to sit the fuck up from serious interest. The atmosphere, how it goes from kinda dank little cave to an immediate shift into terror from the short time it takes to get to the Tribunal room. The bloody ghost aspects who are all crazy females and crazy passive effects on Death. Like I figured it would be more doppledangers not the fames previous MAIN antagonist holy shit.
I read the aspect details and managed to aoe two on accident....holy shit not a good time. I think they should have naturally gave him the aspect buffs, because I think that is a truly peak and potentially challenging fight, while also staying true to how great of a fighter he is.
The characer screams "Danger" from before you even get into the room all the way and his Frenzy roar was awesome. I know for a fact a good amount of people who met this dude took the camera and panned to him like "👀 who tf...oh shit". Tbh, he is the reason I started using Karlach because I think the Frenzy screams are badass. I wasnt ready for his Deathbringer assault and he instantly killed one of my companions, while healing and then smacking tf out of someone else after my friend died. He had me genuinely shook my first playthrough bc I was doing it all blind with no previous knowledge on how to use everything correctly.
Man that fight music was awesome too. Besides Cazador and Orin who I think have the same song, this fight was top of the list for me for setting and music.
I stumbled into this on accident not knowing the history of these three but instantly remembered the few times they did mention him and was like wait..."this is the mf you guys talkin about? we gotta gtf outta here NOW!!!* . Like the moment I met the Paladins waiting at the door, I was scared. How they just straight up ask for tribute and tell you if its not good enough all 3 of his mates will rend you flesh from bone. I was MORE scared of them at first because Paladins can absolutely turn a fight around with a smite and they had a shit ton of HP.
I never heard his VA nor do I care to compare, I think Wylls by far got the absolutely lamest and cringiest shit to say. Anchev had me with the introduction. I think he is a great character, and they made him visually look pretty damn awesome looking at his old art.
"You gaze upon Murders Progeny... child" idk that shit just went super hard to me. 😂
Me: "huh?? I am just looking to trade 😢"
I don't like that viconia and sarevok now have canon "evil" endings.
Yea and they aren't even good ones they became somewhat stupid. Voice acting wasn't as good as the originals either.
sarevok probably had the canon good ending but it was a cats paw ending because abden becomes baal by force. they share a soul thus hes drag to hell with him.
viconia probably did as well but the none romanced one, the one where she dosnt fully leave shar. the actual evil one has her end up dead in a ditch, while the good one if it happened would also have her end up dead as she would have been with abden when he transformed. so they picked the neutral option as thats the only one where she would be alive in. problem is thats a path of doom.
congrajulation viconia you got redemption but you just went from one abuser to another expecting everything to be hunky dory. na shars going to play with you like a fiddle till she breaks you and turns you back into the monster you just beat. she like anyone who prey to the more evil aligned gods are just fucking ideots who get what coming to them if they chose to stay.
this is all on viconia. so smart, but also so dumb
as someone who never played BG1 and BG2, my experience of who Viconia was as a character was an evil lady who tortured Shadowheart
@@kevind3974 The romanced ending for Viconia in BG2 has her killed by one of Lolth's assassins. But she gives birth to the PC's child before then.
Awwww come on:
How Many Party Members of Baldurs Gate 1 get one horrible ending in Baldurs Gate 2? XD
His voice is badass lol
the trouble with Sarevoks voice, I expected his speech to end with "coming to a movie theatre near you, soon".
When you think about it, Gortash is basically pulling Sareviok 2.0, orchestrating a war and killing the leadership of the city to make himself the center of the defense effort and end up in control of everything.
All I hear when he talks is “I AM THE LORD OF DEADSIDE!!” lol
"Wrinkled orb" haha
damn that voice brings back memories
None of these are the original voices.
Game’s Chad is this guy
This is a really cool call back but at the same time it makes no sense for Sarevok to be there and in any way shape or form on Baal's good graces. Not only was Sarevok actively trying to do anything to be the new god of murder meaning he had full plans to betray Baal, he also lost. When he was killed in BG1 the part of him that was Baalspawn was removed from his soul (He even tells the player character this in BG:II Throne of Baal). In that game the player can choose to resurrect Sarevok and if done so he becomes a companion for the game, and then depending on how the player operates in the game it opens Sarevok's mind and he actually has a morality change. So to see him here while cool and all makes no sense to me, I would rather have seen him make a guest apperance in the temple of Baal as a temporary companion, challenging his 'father' and fighting with the player character in that one, and maybe even becoming a companion in the group which would have been a lot more interesting at least to me.
I guess reviving Sarevok & turning him good in the BG2 Expansion was not the canonical ending then?
Jaheira said in one conversation that he falls back into his Old Ways, which i can total see.
If only I can get Coran in BG3... Sarevok will be shiver with fear when he see Coran. That dude just solo Sarevok in my playthrough of BG1 xD
for me it was Kivan :)
@@idnyftw Haste + a barrage of explosive arrows? :3
@@Moddeang123 oh yes
@@idnyftw Same with my man Coran xD Even demigod will get cold feet when they up against those guys xD
Coran died in the canon Mindbreaker comics. He was turning into a Mindflayer and his son mercy killed him.
Sarevok and Viconia - Becoming better people in ToB
Larian - "I'll ignore that."
A pity really
WOTC ignored it, Larian went with what was cannon
@@the_gamblermp Larian's writing has always been somewhere between Bethesda and Beamdog, so I'll take that with a grain of salt.
@@Lily_OrchardThe information has been there for a while now, plus these are evil characters, should that be their canon ending, this makes no sense, would you like it If a good character turned up with the opposite alignement change just because they were fan favorites of evil players, let evil characters be evil
@@MrNoot39449 That's an awful lot of ranting for a complaint about an obvious retcon.
Interactions like this make me eosh for Dorm and Hexxat even moreeeeeeee
He talks?... I just attacked him. 😂
Fun fact, Saravok is Orin the Red's grandfather... and father. He's basically an American southerner.
Threw Sarevok into cloud of daggers. Don’t regret and him dying to it was worth it.
too bad you can't bring Kivan and his quill of exploding arrows again like last time
Good times...
For some grandaddy old age worshipper of the god of murder, he sure likes to hear his own voice. Surely he skilled into the pretentious bard class over the years. Less talking more killing. Bhaal would approve, probably already having a headache with all this exposition dump going on and Orin not being able to shut up and kill people. Well, nothing Hunger of Hadar can't fix. Thanks for the video though. Lovely to see Larian implement Minsc and Jaheira well.
Ahhhh, Sarevok liked to talk in the original game, too. His plan for murder involved taking a position of political power in the city, after all. It was really only once he was backed into a corner that he got down to business and, even then, it was the trap-ridden arena where the final boss took place that was the real threat. That and, well, the fact that he came at you with a full party of allies.
...I did not fight fair. I Skull Trapped him and his party into little bitty pieces because I was playing the Enhanced Edition, which makes that a valid tactic.
But it’s not possible. He’s dead! I SAW HIM DIE!
Typically a total of three times. But that's his thing.
What is way more weird is that they found enough pieces of Amelissan's soul to bring her back.
I neither saw Jaheira, Minsc nor Sarevok in my first run :P
This fight, is actually a lot of fun. Other than the fact he is hard af to hit after killing his sanctuary minions, no matter, the fight is awesome. I’m a noob and just pop an Invuln orb, with bless and spirit guardians, keep him at the edge of the orb and just wail on him lol…
Got to replay this on tactician, playing on normal several bosses didn’t get to attack because I had too many option to stun lock them.
Though it might be ideal that they don’t get a turn if they’re anything like Raphael who killed Hope when he got a turn. The solution ended up being a hastened monk punching each pillar once with radiant fists to essentially silence him until the cambions were cleaned up.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
0:37 is that you, Shadowheart?
Statistic data taken from other RPGs have shown that the majority of players try to be "good" compared to "evil". And I'm pretty certain that every single person playing the older Baldur's Gate and trying to be good at least attempted to redeem Sarevok, so I find it a little bit strange that they chose to make his canon outcome not being redeemed.
Blame WotC not Larian. This was set in stone ages ago.
I guess WotC decided they didn't want Gorion's Ward to be awesome enough to have redeemed Sarevok and Viconia.
At the same time; not that many people who like playing pure good campaigns would have Sarevok to begin with. Even if u did, it wasnt that easy to get him to be chaotic good (required some specific dialogue choices). So i guess its not that strange either
@@mizu7662 Viconia only gets redeemed if you romance her in BG2. Her leading a Shar enclave is what happens if you don't romance her, which is what is referenced in BG3. This is kind of expected though. There isn't a canon romance for BG2.
Sorry but villains like Sarevok don't deserve redemption, you can't "fix" everyone, just because the game allows you to do things one way, don't mean your favorite path is the canon one, Silent Hills canon ending is that to me
I was a tad bit disappointed they didn’t get the same voice actor as the first game.
8:27 King of the Castle, King of the Castle, I have a chair I have a chair
Very nicee
I mean how many times does this man gotta be killed? Jeez.
After seeing Sav i did this step back to confront three, too. The fight feels right, but this also means the kidnapped companion will be killed by orin :/ ...so, tried also the bad path...But i was a bit disapointed about the weak reaction of all other companions... yea, they comment that very questionable, but i was sure at least 1 another will leave the camp if u choosed to sacrifice both... and not enough... i even carried their bodies to Jahieras home... Kids dont react (and, of course, this was just a test for reaction and not the path i stayed on - reload the won fight ;) !)
You can still save the kidnapped companion.
@@drno87 so you can defeat Saravok and save the companion from Orin? How?
@@elenalizabeth Attack Orin during her monologue, before she ritually kills your companion (you can always attack during a hostile conversation, which I think is a great way to punish over-dramatic enemies ;))
@@SlayerOfMadness I want to get that achievement for killing her (kill her while they are chanting or something?) as I’ve gotten the one for Myrkle, the spider matriarch, the surgeon, toll collector, etc.
@@elenalizabeth Yeah, I got this achievement when I attacked Orin during dialogue. I did however kill her in the first or second turn (evocation magic missles are just special)
um i really wanted to see this battle.. its why i came here
this isn't sarevok, his bro brought him back, gave him some of his bhaal essence and he changed alignment. two bhaal bros, one toril...
Sarevok’s name reminds me of Legate Lanius from Fallout: New Vegas
Hey, your name is Terak, and my name is Taric!
I'm just gonna pretend he's an essence of bhaal's children or whatever while the real sarevok is abroad at tomoko's homeland.
damn they just going to pretend BG2 and ToB didn't happen then
I really care little about some obstacle linked with so called gods as long as you're able to create a literally Palpatine himself.
He has more lines if you are the Dark Urge. Slightly different
As it turns out, Seravok was right. There ARE only two ways in. In this case it just so happened that Saravok was the flesh into which the parties devotion was carved.\
Hurts my heart knowing they didn't get Kevin Michael Richardson to do the voice of Sarevok. Losing David Warner last Summer means no cameos from him either. Sigh.
So Jaheira, you've done...everything? ;)
Yet no reaction to the Echoes of two of the Five and the final boss of Throne of Bhaal?
They’re just ghosts, Sarevok probably summoned them.
The echos are weird. Not sure why Amellyssan is an echo. She's not even a Bhaalspawn, and she betrayed Bhaal anyway. She's a normal human priestess of Bhaal who tried to steal his power for herself.
@@RG32822 Sendai and Ilasera makes sense. Amellyssan on the other hand shouldn't be there. Her soul was annhilated when she welded it to Bhaal's taint.
@@xaviervega468 i think thats why she became an echo. there part of baal now. before she did that she was just a normal human priestess
Imma be honest
After watching a friend absolutely clown Sarevok with damn near nothing except for Astarion with a paralysis amulet and 4 ghouls...he lost a lot of his intimidation factor
I quite don‘t understand how he can be alive after 100 years. Necromany rituals? Because he was a Chosen of Bhaal even if Bhaal just a quite deity or because a part of his soul is in him?
what sword is that on Jaheiras right shoulder? Havent seen that hilt
Do her act 3 quest, there's a hidden room in her house, inside that hidden room is yet another hidden room, gives you that scimitar, a nice stun on hit staff and a +1 wisdom helm
too bad its not belm +2
@@redchaos98 In my game I pretty much always make her a "Cleric/Ranger" now - functionally that's what a Druid is, but Cleric/Ranger is really powerful while Druid is a fucking terrible shit class in BG - so she can't wield bladed weapons. I typically give the the Flail of Ages. And the Mace of Disruption for fighting vampires.
(I tweak a few other things too: some are obvious, like how Anomen should become a Paladin - although Fighter/Cleric is useful too, so not always; Mazzy should DEFINITELY be a Paladin - I much prefer 2.5e rules to 3, but the race/class restrictions in 2.5e is bullshit, the dual/multi-class nuances are cool but again, the restrictions are bullshit; and obviously Minsc should be a Barbarian, or at least Berserker... Nalia being mage/thief makes some sense, but she feels like a replacement for Imoen, so I like to make her an Archer. It's a really useful class, it makes sense to me that she would pick up archery and some tracking/ranger skills living in a castle in the wilderness, and the most obvious Favored Enemy of all time: Trolls.)
I didn't play bg1 and bg2 and didn't know who this guy was, but goddamn what a VA
Just the Villain of Part 1 and a Partymember in 2. But man, this are 25 Years ago, never mind you didnt know
As someone who did play the originals this is a terrible downgrade. The original voice was so fucking good and this sounds very awkward and like a cartoon villain.
@@ce5122 Yeah but it was 20 Years ago: Even Darth vader Sounds old and Tired today ^^
@@DasKame doesn’t change the current voice just isn’t that good
@@ce5122 it's fine. I think every Voice Actor had no chance against the Original, and its One Voice by a Voicecast of 300
What command did you do to hide the interface? Want that for screen shots
Sarevok relapsed REAL HARD, didn't he
Who's the winged fella seen during the fight
How many times do I need to teach this monster a lesson?
I was just watching the lore of bg1 when I say the shadow of sarevok
Weird how after all these years, the names Minsk and Sarevok still ring a bell (and I'm usually bad at names)
I really really wish Minsc wasn't Matt Mercer. takes me right out of it every time he speaks.
Between this and Viconia I wonder why even bring back these characters if you're only going to undo the character growth that made them cool characters
This is a common thing in modern media and games , massive disrespect to legacy characters to make room for new ones
@@ChristhegreatbroYou would have a point If Jaheira and Minsc were also treated like this, both Sarevok and Viconia are evil aligned characters from the start, they always were going to go down the evil path, you can't "fix" them
@@Christhegreatbro the good and bad take at the same time. The thing you said is true, but Larian followed WoTC cannon which they had to if they wanted to create a game from their IP.
so evil people cannot be slowly changed over the course of two games and many events?
Minsc was brought back as pure fan service but was still true to Minsc ill give you that ,
Jahiera was also done really well , so you are absolutely correct there.
I wouldent have to big of a problem with Vicy coming back evil , she sort of has little choice in the matter when it comes to service of her evil god , But she behaves like she hasent changed at all and that shes happily willingly a slave of her god , which just kind of feels cheap. I would have loved to see her being a more damaged , jaded Drow then the one we knew from BG1,2
Saeravok is just embarrassing , they grabbed the main villain of the 1st game and cheapened him by making him a barely important throw away boss and a giant simp to Bhaal , its a massive disservice to a pretty solid villain . I thought him turning good was something that made sense considering Abdel crushed all his dreams and he is a fragment of Abdel anyway. I just look at the whole situation there and ask myself..."Why did they have to bring him back if just for that" It made him look weak and it felt like a giant fan service to have him back just to fight him again with Jaheira and Minsc by your side.
I am also well aware that these are things WoTC have written in their canon long ago , that does not make it any less crappy@@MrNoot39449
Man, remeber Baldurs Gate 2?
Where nearby EVERY PARTYMEMBER of 1 got Killed? XD
I love how everyone knows Minsc is an idiot even the bad guys. I wish they had a line for jaheira about Minsc being an idiot who killed Baals supposed number 1 guy, proving sarevok is a complete loser
69 HP, nice
8:26 Phahahaha)) I did the same thing!!!🤣🤣 Larians know their players to well😂
Can anyone tell me if you can get the vendor to spawn if you dont align with Sarevok? Even as an enemy so I can knock him out and steal all his stuff. I would rather keep Jaheira and Minsc but he has some very useful items for my Gloomstalker/Assassin PC.
Just bring other characters when dealing with him I guess
What is the name of this quest?
I am planning bhaal’s assasin campagin
Is it only me that thinks that Minsc looks like Randy Couture?
I see a bit of Arnold Vosloo (Imhotep in The Mummy).
They got Joe Rogan for BG3?