"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been just one more casualty in your crusade against the Absolute...and nobody would remember me." I love this line. In my first playthrough, and I'm sure in many others, that's exactly what she was.
Hardly. It's a video game so the morals in it don't matter, but she slaughters entire families, FAMILIES! Father's, mother's, children or so it's assumed. She was going to sacrifice her, I don't know if you can actually fail saving Yenna, but maybe she can die too. And y'all are crying over a, all be it cute, cat. Come on guys....
I wish they did more with yennas character. She potentially loses everyone she loves and doesn’t even get a letter in the epilogue. My character would have adopted her and her cat if given the choice
Well, Halsin does say he has 9 wagons full of children to take with him to Thaniel's realm. I always imagined she'd be among them. And now after some long-awaited patches, I can go with them!
they should have let us hug yenna. i just want to hold her and reassure her that everything’s okay now. she’s just a child, and didn’t deserve any of that.
They should have let us hug who ever it was Orin took. Well... Maybe not Lae'zel, but just because she wouldn't have appreciated it. Then again that could have made the scene funny...
Then the scene cuts to a flashback of Orin tip-toeing through camp while everyone is asleep, trying to drag Halsin by the arm (who's sleeping like a stone), getting frustrated then just fuckin' turning into an ogre and putting him over her shoulder BUT STILL tip-toeing her way out of camp as well. Imagine a big ass ogre in stealth mode and there you go
"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been one more casualty of your crusade against the Absolute. And no one would remember me." Holyyyy, Minthara casually dropping one of the hardest lines in the game.
Love that former psycho Minthara is the one who has the deepest insight from being captured by Orin. Thanks for giving us the different dialogue options or as the Githyanki would say "Chraith'kan Zharn".
Minthara is honestly the wisest companion in your party. Her insight on the others is top notch, and when she displays her true vulnerability with you it’s honestly heartbreaking
Halsin's reply is actually really sad if Orin kills him, and you cast "speak with dead" on him after. He says "I hoped my friends would save me...." :(
@@jbwolf4 your love interest will never get taken unless you have a bug in your game. Somebody currently in your party won't get taken The only people who can be taken are Laezel Halsin Gale Minthara Yenna With Yenna being the last priority but the other companions are not in any specific order
"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been just one more casualty of your crusade agaisnt the Absolute. And nobody would remember me" now i am sad that i killed her in my first game cause i didn't even know she was a companion Dx
She took halsin from my camp and i was like "HOW THE FUCK DID SHE EVEN LIFT HIM AND GET HIM OUT IN A WAY WE DIDNT NOTICE!?" I mean seriously, have you seen big bear man!? I dont even think my big paladin could have done that
She is an oddly sympathetic character if you bother to befriend her and take her in as a companion, (or even romanced partner, like I did). Done both my playthroughs with her as a companion because she has more depth than some of the other companions. She is still insane in other regards, but enjoyable nonetheless.
My God, Minthara is so underrated. Whenever she opens up like this and her tone and expression turn sad, it immediately makes me tear up. She's so blatantly evil, yet so self-aware that it makes me question just how evil she really is. Truly a tragedy of her upbringing, but deep down she's absolutely stunning, captivating even....in an oddly perplexing way. Her thoughts and emotions are full of juxtapositions in a way, constantly switching between or being simultaneously evil and good, insane and sane, unjust and just enz. The writers and voice actress deserve more praise honestly, they did so well showing such emotions in an otherwise very stoic character.
I wonder how and where Orin has met Elminster. She must have, since - if I remember doppelganger lore correctly - meeting and studying the person they want to impersonate is imperative. And she would not have been able to fool Gale without the impersonation being done well.
As a Minthara romancer it makes me so sad that of all of Orin's potential victims the one she ends up hurting the most is Minthara, in her clutches again like she was before. When I reached this point and she was taken I RUSHED to Orin as fast as I could figure out; from the murder victims to finding the tribunal, to turning on Sarevok (in a fight I thought I couldn't win at first, but then I did), to bee-lining for the temple of Bhaal without a long rest, in case Orin would kill her victim before we got there. I went in knowing nothing about her fight (hadn't found Volo or any other hints toward how to fight Orin yet) and that was a BITCH of a fight, but we pulled it off somehow (turns out Gale is REALLY FUCKING GOOD as a lvl 12 Wizard burning every spell slot and spamming lvl 5 and 6 scrolls left and right) My current character is a Tav, but I plan to replay as her, re-imagined as a Durge, which nicely fills in the few holes in her backstory I couldn't, and would give me the Durge exclusive lines to boot. I can totally picture her struggling with the urge in act 1, that leading her into Minthara's arms and an unexpected companion, to spending all of act 2 resisting in defiance of her actions in act 1, to learning the truth, restoring her oath that she will master herself and protect the love of her life... only for her to immediately be taken by the worst person on Toril she could be at the mercy of again, leading her on a roaring rampage to the temple, half-memories leading the way, and ultimately claiming that power with the promise she had made to Minthara to protect her empowering her all the way. Damn, Minthara's romance has no business being this good for how buggy and sparse it is, but it makes me want to go through it not once but twice, so they must have done something right.
That'a like a failsafe in case you don't take a long rest and explore beyond the Emperor's hideout. Orin's kidnapping is the first thing that happens during your first long rest in the Lower City, taking priority over anything so it makes sense
What I hate about this is that it's the only path for Yenna to actually have some impact and dialogue, otherwise it's just "I brought my own pairing knife, now I just need some ingredients and..."
In my game, when Orin took Laezel she threatens Yenna. When i stop Orin/Laezel from threatening Yenna, she starts making soup even though she isn't kidnapped. That was the only other way I could find to get Yenna to move on from just talking about knives.
Minthara was abused and "brainwashed" by Orin before getting to the goblin camp. She adored Orin, though, so they are elements of cults indoctrination to her character. Orin only saw Minthara as her new toy. Minthara is also growing. If you save her from prison, it's clear that the player character is the first one that believes in her capacity to do good. Albeit, old habits die hard.
I hope if there is ever a continuation in some way of these characters...that they do Minthara justice. Don't want another Viconia or Sarevok situation...completely throwing their character development under the bus.
Viconia gets me shaking in my boots. With Sarevok I can sort of get it but you put so much work into Viconia and the alignment change and it just h u r t s to know that in the end it was for not
Viconia follows Shar no matter what you do in BG2. Shar is almost entirely responsible for her undoing of any progress Gorions Ward made with her. Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Him returning to Bhaal side was always going to happen because he was ultimately afraid of death and if you didn't see that in BG2 you're naive. It's only the DUrge that gets a chance because of Jergals intervention.
in my first two playthroughs orin kidnapped halsin, and tbh i kind of left it until last, not because i don't like halsin but because i'm not attached to him like i am to some of the others. in my third playthrough she kidnapped lae'zel, and i was just like 'that's it, she's going down'
It makes absolutely no sense the companions act like they too died when Bhaal kills the durge.Bhaal only reclaimed his blood, which means only the durge should have died or even been able to be affected by the act.
Realmente me da pena haber matado a Minthara en mi primera partida, no sabía que era un personaje jugable y ni siquiera recuerdo su muerte. Es como ella dice, solo fue una víctima más de la que nadie se acuerda. Creo que jugaré otra partida para explorar más cosas
it make sense tho karlach has fire heart, near imposible to touch her. and her hatred toward gortash is needed wyll sending stone and his contract with mizora astarion and shadowheart basically has no past or relationship that orin can use. and both of them are elf. they dont sleep
@@blueperiodfan4725 Technically Shadowheart is half-elf, and I'm pretty sure they sleep like humans do. Also Halsin is an elf, and Minthara a drow (not too different from an elf, don't tell her that though😅), yet they were kidnapped. Shadowheart is practically a clean slate with the whole memory wiping though, so there could be some truth to what you said. As for Astarion, I suspect it might have more to do with the fact that he's an undead (not exactly fresh meat and blood, which are seemingly things Orin is obsessed with). Agree with the rest though.
U can make it so that Orin doesn't kidnap her and her cat . I only give the girl money ignored everything continue on my journey to the emperor's hide-out, and they took gale instead :D I took a long rest after gale got kidnapped, and the girl appear at my camp with her cat alive and well asking me to stay 😊
I'm curious. How do you manage to keep companions bloodied from one location to another? I often see traces of combat (blood, dirt, etc) disappear, when they should otherwise be there.
I hate how they forced Yenna onto your camp but still pretended to give you the option to deny her. So many times have I tried to deny her, outright kill her, just for her to come back the next day with the same dialogue like I hadn't burnt her alive just yesterday.
Yet another example to show how disappointingly redundant Halsin has become in act 3. If Tav didn't end up siding with the goblins & end up destroying the grove, Tav & Halsin would've gone through thick & thin by that point, risking their necks for each other for 2 whole acts, & this is all Halsin has got to say after getting rescued?? He'd have been the OLDEST companion in the group in Minthara is absent, sagely enough to be made an archdruid, yet 'thank goodness you came for me & i'm sick of this place, let's go' is all he has to say, even when he ain't the quiet brooding type to begin with?? Damn, i'd never side with the goblins so i'd never end up getting Halsin killed, but if i were to go on yet another playthrough, i'd be damn tempted to just tell him to go our separate ways. People really ain't kidding when they said Halsin's writing got worse as the game progresses further.
Since Orin only takes a non romanced out of the possible 4 and you can trigger it yourself, I narrow it down to Halsin, Minthara or the kid. I’m torn, Minthara so that Halsin might get his space back in camp. Halsin because he’s been in camp since he freed nature boy. To let the kid take it it means you have to be in a romance with Minthara or “grin and bear it” at let Halsin do his thang which his “poly” lifestyle includes “morph”. I wonder if you can return the favor and use polymorph or Halsin 😅
So if you reject Bhaal Withers resurrects you and the companion Orin kidnaps? I know that is what he does if you reject Bhaal but I didn't think he would revive the dead captive.
"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been just one more casualty in your crusade against the Absolute...and nobody would remember me."
I love this line. In my first playthrough, and I'm sure in many others, that's exactly what she was.
Yes, Minthara is able to so much insight. That is what makes her interesting even with all her negative background -- and maybe because of it.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Glad I opted to an evil playthrough as my first one. Minthara is defintely one of the best and underrated companions in the game.
She says something similar in Moonrise if you just attack the people trying to erase her
Why does hearing that feel like the most saddest thing I've ever heard? Minthara 😢
Orin killing that poor cat is the worst of her crimes
I always pray that she doesn’t kidnap Yenna because if she kidnaps a party member than it’s possible for no one to die.
Orion killing the cat and rubbing it in our face to screw with us totally backfired.
grub was an innocent cat, he did not deserve to die
We should be able to revive her just to kill her again for it
Hardly. It's a video game so the morals in it don't matter, but she slaughters entire families, FAMILIES! Father's, mother's, children or so it's assumed. She was going to sacrifice her, I don't know if you can actually fail saving Yenna, but maybe she can die too. And y'all are crying over a, all be it cute, cat.
Come on guys....
I wish they did more with yennas character. She potentially loses everyone she loves and doesn’t even get a letter in the epilogue. My character would have adopted her and her cat if given the choice
My personal headcannon is that she ends up with Jaheira's family
My headcannon is that she's adopted by Shadowheart
Well, Halsin does say he has 9 wagons full of children to take with him to Thaniel's realm. I always imagined she'd be among them. And now after some long-awaited patches, I can go with them!
My headcanon is that my character grew a headcannon powered by soup
Yenna be like: I made soup
Minthara can break your heart with her vulnerability as much as she can revolt you at times with her cruelty.
they should have let us hug yenna. i just want to hold her and reassure her that everything’s okay now. she’s just a child, and didn’t deserve any of that.
They should have let us hug who ever it was Orin took. Well... Maybe not Lae'zel, but just because she wouldn't have appreciated it. Then again that could have made the scene funny...
When Orin revealed herself, my ranger stopped what she was doing and hunted her like a dog.
Even Halsin is like “damn how’d she do that” when reflecting on how Orin managed to move such a hunk like himself 😂😂
Then the scene cuts to a flashback of Orin tip-toeing through camp while everyone is asleep, trying to drag Halsin by the arm (who's sleeping like a stone), getting frustrated then just fuckin' turning into an ogre and putting him over her shoulder BUT STILL tip-toeing her way out of camp as well. Imagine a big ass ogre in stealth mode and there you go
@@genkureshima9834The cinnamon topography
I love it. Evil bitch! Good at logistics though...
"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been one more casualty of your crusade against the Absolute. And no one would remember me."
Holyyyy, Minthara casually dropping one of the hardest lines in the game.
Love that former psycho Minthara is the one who has the deepest insight from being captured by Orin.
Thanks for giving us the different dialogue options or as the Githyanki would say "Chraith'kan Zharn".
This is her second time being kidnapped by Orin so she is an old hand.
Minthara is honestly the wisest companion in your party. Her insight on the others is top notch, and when she displays her true vulnerability with you it’s honestly heartbreaking
Lae'zel has the best reaction because she is finally thankful!
She says thank you if you save her from the zaith'isk- but only if you prod her to say it.
Lae’zel was so genuine here that it blew me away. From being a stout warrior to a tender hearted friend was one of my favorite arcs in the game
1:55 And then she, very genuinely, says you should be grateful she didn't murder you when you first met.
Halsin's reply is actually really sad if Orin kills him, and you cast "speak with dead" on him after. He says "I hoped my friends would save me...." :(
I have to let someone other than Yenna get taken, just so the cat doesn’t die.
Halsin is a good pick in a "because he's so late as a companion. You are probably used to playing without him already"
How do you let someone else get taken? I figured it was a random party member at camp?
@@jbwolf4 your love interest will never get taken unless you have a bug in your game. Somebody currently in your party won't get taken
The only people who can be taken are
Laezel
Halsin
Gale
Minthara
Yenna
With Yenna being the last priority but the other companions are not in any specific order
@@kairaaitken938 okay cool, so far I’ve had lae’zel taken, and halsin so I didn’t really know the rules
I love Bae'zel. She just needs some dino nuggies and a nap.
So Yenna is THE ONLY character who mentions Durge dying xD
Nvm: Minthy also does
"If you had killed me when we first met, I would have been just one more casualty of your crusade agaisnt the Absolute. And nobody would remember me" now i am sad that i killed her in my first game cause i didn't even know she was a companion Dx
Same
I’ve only been able to save her twice, sometimes I put non-lethal on and she somehow still dies! When the goblins are fine 😒
She took halsin from my camp and i was like "HOW THE FUCK DID SHE EVEN LIFT HIM AND GET HIM OUT IN A WAY WE DIDNT NOTICE!?"
I mean seriously, have you seen big bear man!? I dont even think my big paladin could have done that
Mf's bigger than male dragonborn, he MUST have walked there himself
Minthara saying no one would remember her hurts me in ways I couldn't imagine.
Bro wtf minthara made me emotional 😭
She is an oddly sympathetic character if you bother to befriend her and take her in as a companion, (or even romanced partner, like I did). Done both my playthroughs with her as a companion because she has more depth than some of the other companions. She is still insane in other regards, but enjoyable nonetheless.
Minthara really is my favourite character, there’s something so horribly and tragically human about her
My God, Minthara is so underrated. Whenever she opens up like this and her tone and expression turn sad, it immediately makes me tear up. She's so blatantly evil, yet so self-aware that it makes me question just how evil she really is. Truly a tragedy of her upbringing, but deep down she's absolutely stunning, captivating even....in an oddly perplexing way. Her thoughts and emotions are full of juxtapositions in a way, constantly switching between or being simultaneously evil and good, insane and sane, unjust and just enz. The writers and voice actress deserve more praise honestly, they did so well showing such emotions in an otherwise very stoic character.
I wonder how and where Orin has met Elminster. She must have, since - if I remember doppelganger lore correctly - meeting and studying the person they want to impersonate is imperative. And she would not have been able to fool Gale without the impersonation being done well.
As a Minthara romancer it makes me so sad that of all of Orin's potential victims the one she ends up hurting the most is Minthara, in her clutches again like she was before.
When I reached this point and she was taken I RUSHED to Orin as fast as I could figure out; from the murder victims to finding the tribunal, to turning on Sarevok (in a fight I thought I couldn't win at first, but then I did), to bee-lining for the temple of Bhaal without a long rest, in case Orin would kill her victim before we got there. I went in knowing nothing about her fight (hadn't found Volo or any other hints toward how to fight Orin yet) and that was a BITCH of a fight, but we pulled it off somehow (turns out Gale is REALLY FUCKING GOOD as a lvl 12 Wizard burning every spell slot and spamming lvl 5 and 6 scrolls left and right)
My current character is a Tav, but I plan to replay as her, re-imagined as a Durge, which nicely fills in the few holes in her backstory I couldn't, and would give me the Durge exclusive lines to boot. I can totally picture her struggling with the urge in act 1, that leading her into Minthara's arms and an unexpected companion, to spending all of act 2 resisting in defiance of her actions in act 1, to learning the truth, restoring her oath that she will master herself and protect the love of her life... only for her to immediately be taken by the worst person on Toril she could be at the mercy of again, leading her on a roaring rampage to the temple, half-memories leading the way, and ultimately claiming that power with the promise she had made to Minthara to protect her empowering her all the way.
Damn, Minthara's romance has no business being this good for how buggy and sparse it is, but it makes me want to go through it not once but twice, so they must have done something right.
Poor grub 😭 i hate when she takes yenna the poor kitty
I wasnt even at camp when Orin revealed she stole away Lae'zel... i was near the Emperor's old hide out
That'a like a failsafe in case you don't take a long rest and explore beyond the Emperor's hideout. Orin's kidnapping is the first thing that happens during your first long rest in the Lower City, taking priority over anything so it makes sense
"swiftly rectified" yeah, Lae'zel. I totally didn't do all of act 3 while you were there.
Same, lae'zel was there for like, a month in my playthrough.
ORIN KILLS GRUB?! Oh she's just vile
She's a literal hell spawn. No one is safe from her bloodlust. The more innocent the victim, the better.
4:27 why does Halsin look holy
What I hate about this is that it's the only path for Yenna to actually have some impact and dialogue, otherwise it's just "I brought my own pairing knife, now I just need some ingredients and..."
In my game, when Orin took Laezel she threatens Yenna. When i stop Orin/Laezel from threatening Yenna, she starts making soup even though she isn't kidnapped. That was the only other way I could find to get Yenna to move on from just talking about knives.
If you aren’t playing dark urge you get the accept bhaal lines by default, at least according to my experience and the video.
man i love minthara so much
Thank God she never takes Astarion
And have Cazador on her ass? Nah, she’d be even dumber then what she displays constantly
Indeed, the poor guy's been through enough torture.
How come minthara is the only one Orin hurts
Not the first time she became her victim
@@bengunn9670 that's actually really sad
Minthara was abused and "brainwashed" by Orin before getting to the goblin camp. She adored Orin, though, so they are elements of cults indoctrination to her character.
Orin only saw Minthara as her new toy.
Minthara is also growing. If you save her from prison, it's clear that the player character is the first one that believes in her capacity to do good. Albeit, old habits die hard.
oh dang does this mean she can’t take karlach, wyll, astarion, or shart? interestingg 🧐
I hope if there is ever a continuation in some way of these characters...that they do Minthara justice.
Don't want another Viconia or Sarevok situation...completely throwing their character development under the bus.
Viconia gets me shaking in my boots. With Sarevok I can sort of get it but you put so much work into Viconia and the alignment change and it just h u r t s to know that in the end it was for not
Viconia follows Shar no matter what you do in BG2. Shar is almost entirely responsible for her undoing of any progress Gorions Ward made with her. Sarevok is a Bhaalspawn. Him returning to Bhaal side was always going to happen because he was ultimately afraid of death and if you didn't see that in BG2 you're naive. It's only the DUrge that gets a chance because of Jergals intervention.
in my first two playthroughs orin kidnapped halsin, and tbh i kind of left it until last, not because i don't like halsin but because i'm not attached to him like i am to some of the others. in my third playthrough she kidnapped lae'zel, and i was just like 'that's it, she's going down'
It makes absolutely no sense the companions act like they too died when Bhaal kills the durge.Bhaal only reclaimed his blood, which means only the durge should have died or even been able to be affected by the act.
Halsin wasn’t abducted from my camp, but I spoke to him so little in Act 3 he may as well have been 😂.
I knew it was Yenna first time, thank goodness Orin didn't kidnap Halsin or I'd go crazy mad
Omg I love Minthara so much
Realmente me da pena haber matado a Minthara en mi primera partida, no sabía que era un personaje jugable y ni siquiera recuerdo su muerte. Es como ella dice, solo fue una víctima más de la que nadie se acuerda. Creo que jugaré otra partida para explorar más cosas
Didn't know she can take Gale too😮 probably because he is always with me❤😂
what about karlach, shadowheart, astarion, wyll. do they never get kidnapped by orin?
No, they're safe!
it make sense tho
karlach has fire heart, near imposible to touch her. and her hatred toward gortash is needed
wyll sending stone and his contract with mizora
astarion and shadowheart basically has no past or relationship that orin can use. and both of them are elf. they dont sleep
@@blueperiodfan4725 Technically Shadowheart is half-elf, and I'm pretty sure they sleep like humans do. Also Halsin is an elf, and Minthara a drow (not too different from an elf, don't tell her that though😅), yet they were kidnapped. Shadowheart is practically a clean slate with the whole memory wiping though, so there could be some truth to what you said. As for Astarion, I suspect it might have more to do with the fact that he's an undead (not exactly fresh meat and blood, which are seemingly things Orin is obsessed with). Agree with the rest though.
Why is there no video about Astarion being kidnapped by Orin? Has anyone even done that? Is that even possible??
It's not possible, only the ones shown can get kidnapped.
U can make it so that Orin doesn't kidnap her and her cat . I only give the girl money ignored everything continue on my journey to the emperor's hide-out, and they took gale instead :D I took a long rest after gale got kidnapped, and the girl appear at my camp with her cat alive and well asking me to stay 😊
Halsin should give credit where it's due. It wasn't Withers who saved him, it was me/our party. A thank you would have been nice. Ha.
I'm curious. How do you manage to keep companions bloodied from one location to another? I often see traces of combat (blood, dirt, etc) disappear, when they should otherwise be there.
BULK!!
She doesnt kidnap Shadowheart?
no, these are the only characters who can get kidnapped. yenna is a last resort failsafe if everyone else is in your party or dead
I hate how they forced Yenna onto your camp but still pretended to give you the option to deny her. So many times have I tried to deny her, outright kill her, just for her to come back the next day with the same dialogue like I hadn't burnt her alive just yesterday.
Yet another example to show how disappointingly redundant Halsin has become in act 3. If Tav didn't end up siding with the goblins & end up destroying the grove, Tav & Halsin would've gone through thick & thin by that point, risking their necks for each other for 2 whole acts, & this is all Halsin has got to say after getting rescued?? He'd have been the OLDEST companion in the group in Minthara is absent, sagely enough to be made an archdruid, yet 'thank goodness you came for me & i'm sick of this place, let's go' is all he has to say, even when he ain't the quiet brooding type to begin with??
Damn, i'd never side with the goblins so i'd never end up getting Halsin killed, but if i were to go on yet another playthrough, i'd be damn tempted to just tell him to go our separate ways. People really ain't kidding when they said Halsin's writing got worse as the game progresses further.
Minthara is the most likeable character I have ever hated
Since Orin only takes a non romanced out of the possible 4 and you can trigger it yourself, I narrow it down to Halsin, Minthara or the kid. I’m torn, Minthara so that Halsin might get his space back in camp. Halsin because he’s been in camp since he freed nature boy. To let the kid take it it means you have to be in a romance with Minthara or “grin and bear it” at let Halsin do his thang which his “poly” lifestyle includes “morph”. I wonder if you can return the favor and use polymorph or Halsin 😅
So if you reject Bhaal Withers resurrects you and the companion Orin kidnaps? I know that is what he does if you reject Bhaal but I didn't think he would revive the dead captive.