@El_chara can you do that? I thought you have to remain as Baal's chosen to recruit Sarevok which means Jaheira and Minsc automatically leave your camp and fight you.
The allies you get being evil definitely isnt as overwhelming as good. On my playthrough, it was pretty heartwarming to see the room absolutely packed with the people I had helped and saved.
a pior parte é ver eles morrendo pra te ajudar a conquistar seu objetivo, me senti mal por isso, consegui manter vivo apenas alguns - mas consegui salvar a cidade.
@@emilianoacuna9705you lose more than the rapier. Helping the hag survivors nets a pretty great amulet that helps on saving yhrows for three stats, and the hag's body has a ring that synergizes well with wild magic - if you're playing a build with wold magic. Of course, ethel's boon means you can skip most of the final battle, but I dunno - part of the fun of the final battle for me was testing my skills and abilities.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 Devils and Demons are different races with different ranks. It doesn't work that way. Orthon is a Devil, yes, but there are plenty of Demons more powerful than him - especially if he was brought into submission by Raphael.
@@elijahcriswell1658 if you're going evil durge, no, you just have to kill the fuckass elephant and then you pass the tribunal without a fight. if you're good aligned you'd refuse to kill the elephant and would therefore have to kill sarevok
@@DIEGhostfishSarevok is still a follower of Bhaal, and he recognises that as a direct child of Bhaal, your position is greater than his own. Sarevok isn't an idiot. He knows that if the netherbrain wins, then that's it for everyone and everything.
@@sev1120 ...I don;t see how you can be a more direct child than he was. Given how long Bhaal's been dead, (And the fact that you sat out the first two games a hundred years ago) that's just not really feasible. Bhaal as your father's not meant to be literal.
@@blipboyy It's some deal of shapechanging ooze that likes murder. An ooblex mayhaps? Or maybe some custom-ish one, some sugested that it might be a follower of Cyric that just fucks shit up for fun.
The slime is very strong. Even if it’s not an evil play through it’s worth bringing him. He can transform into very tough stuff one of them being a Minotaur you find in the underdark
@@Fierth tell him you will keep his secrets each time you meet him, then at the final meeting do his request. I think he “use” to be evil and now just wants a quiet life. So moral wise it is not that bad.
Honestly, the Strange Ox's little speech hit harder than any line from the actions of the actual companions in this scene for me. There's something very poignant about the simple gratitude from a simple monster.
I feel like they really needed to have the goblins show up to get that feeling across though. I would have really loved seeing Draz, Sazza, and Gut. I'm not even sure how they seem to have Minthara + the Strange Ox unless you do some real weird pathing through the game, because I thought everyone dies at the grove during the usual raid.
Had Ox in my "it's not evil if it's funny" playthrough which was basically good, but not moral. I will have lots to explain to the others once the fight is over.
I didn't realise the Strange Ox was supposed to be particularly evil. I thought the vision he shows you was just him trying to scare you off. Not until the final act did I actually come to understand what he was. He did take hits like a champ.
You can also have the Zhentarim as allies if you allow Rhea to escape the sewers (when you find Minsc) and then choose to side with them and take over Nine-Fingers' Guild.
@@marlo_oO I believe she has special coding to make a dash for the exit, so if you leave her alone she escapes, and then when you enter through the guild through the front way she'll be right there.
The strangest Dichotomy with the same outcome. In a world ending scenario when heroes fail to save the day for Justice, the Villains will ban together and save it out of self-preservation .
WAIT ONE DARN MINUTE! Are you telling me that the Strange Ox DID NOT in fact intend to turn his life around and live as a simple OX? That fcker lied to me.
I wish there were some good legendary items you could only get by siding with evil. Just siding with Ethel and Saravok alone removes 2 legendaries from your inventory
Bhaalist Armour needs you to side with Saarevok, and gives enemies within 6 feet vulnerability to piercing damage, which is IMO one of the best armors in the game.
@@ecksbestInfinite healing potion - 2H sword of chaos. Heals 1-6 with every single strike. Every. You can beat barrels, boxes, chests, everything and heal.
Wulbren be like: " Even I'm starting to think the problem might be me if these are the other people you thought were worth keeping around." He's just there being a comparatively realistically evil, and then you've got the others talking about ripping out intestines for their god and eating children and shit.
A more evil playthrough would require to convince Shadowheart not to kill Lady Aylin, then as an evil asshole, you surrender Shadowheart to Viconia and Lady Aylin to Lorroakan and gain them both as allies. I am not sure if you can recruit Mystic Carrion.
Still have yet to see Viconia and Lorroakan's ally speeches which arguably require the most evil choices in the game - Sparing The Nightsong and converting Shadowheart back to Selune only to hand them over into slavery in Act 3
With lorroakan it just feels like lazy choice, when you don't want to fight. I had no isobel, so noone even notices nightsong missing. And you get some gold.
I think it might be glitched. In my durge playthrough, I refused to let SH kill nightsong, which caused her to leave my party. When I went to the Shar enclave, I was able to convince them to fight with me against the absolute despite not having SH to give away. I did not see them at the end.
I’d never betray Shadowheart but I do usually let Lorroakan have the nightsong. It’s principle you see, I despise the gods and couldn’t possibly not capitalise on the opportunity to fuck over the progeny of the moon witch. Plus I found it to be rather arrogant especially given how weak it actually is in a fight. But then Lorroakan isn’t much better in that regard so the primary reason remains the one mentioned above.
Having shadowheart as a leader of the sharran's means you can't get lorroakan because the Nightsong is death and Viconia has to go aswell for shadowheart to become leader.
@@miglehp4592 Spare the nightsong and convince Shadowheart to turn away from Shar, then backstab Nightsong to Lorroakan and Backstab Shadowheart to Viconia. Boom. Worst Timeline.
omg omg everyone shut up we can recruit *THE* Auntie Ethel?!?!? Finally an actual reason to become truly evil don't talk to me I have a new life purpose.
You don't have to devout a whole playthrough to this, just accept her offer in act 3. Unless you don't want to ally with her in your other playthrough, which is understandable.
My first playthrough I was very “morally grey” so I had plenty of good guy Allie’s, but I also had auntie Ethel, astarion and strange ox (although I didn’t know he was evil?)
The Ox has very disturbing thoughts full of corpses and gore, and it becomes pretty clear it wants to get into the city to kill people (it may thank you at the end for helping it commit more murders). It also says "Hail Cyric" at some point, and Cyric is the evil god of chaos, deceit, and madness.
He's a follower of Cyric, the god of lies, trickery, and strife. The person who's responsible for killing Mystra. Also probably the god that is most hated by others simply because he's an asshole and is a manipulator.
He worships Cyric but hes content with just being an ox. If you try to encourage him to cause havoc as dark urge he gets mad at you so I wouldn't call him an evil ally nessasarily.
I think he is something similar to dark urge, he wants to live peaceful life as simple ox, but implication is bit on side of "he probably didn't succeed in reigning his bloodthirst once he got to city" based on the dialog
Not gonna lie, thought there would be, WAY MORE people here. I thought Sazza woulda been here along with a couple goblins if they got saved every time.
Well, this team doesn't need to be taught how to strike terror into the hearts of their enemies (or anyone for that matter). The enemy will not capture Baldur's Gate, these maniacs will capture it themselves, or destroy it if they cannot.
The Dark Urge is for you then. I am exactly the same. I cannot compel myself to play differently. You can still be "good" with the Dark Urge, but the game certainly changes because of it. I think you might enjoy it. Just don't talk to any animals. You've been warned lol.
What a cursed ally group, they even cheer at the most unpopular motivation line XD What a cursed playthrough to have them fight the elder brain, almost makes me pity the elder brain if it was as evil as this group :D
Thank you so much for making this! This is what I really wanted to see but couldn't be arsed for a whole playthrough just to see alternative endings. Go Mad Sentient Cow!
Its genius how Larian formed on how the Parasite and Elderbrain is a threat to all, even one consider Gods by civilians, to where they become your allies.
What what what what what what. The. Feck. I havnt gotten past act 1. And I'd say im playing a good playthrough. This game has so much to it. The hag quest line absolutely shocked me. Multiple attempts at that quest. But seeing that there's a playthrough where the hag helps you fight, this game is absolutely ridiculously incredible.
Man I just finished my evil Durge honor run and tried to get Saravok but he challenged me to fight after killing Orin. Didn’t know you could recruit hag though, that’s cool. And the iron hands are definitely evil haha
yeah, she kidnaps a kid if you don't let her keep the unwanted baby. so this time I let mayrina stay with ethel like she wanted, we'll see what happens.
What are their abilities when you summon them? Does Sarevok and Ethel join the battle or just give you buffs? Does Shadowheart summon fellow Shar worshippers?
I played mostly "good" but was able to have the Devil Lord whom I convinced to turn against Raphael join me in the Final Battle along with the evil trader.
@@ItsM4rtytime I actually went to report to Sarevok after killing Orin and he asked me for deathmatch as well I turned on "knock out unconscious" passive and he showed up at final battle! When you use non-lethal finisher you can't loot his sword and helmet though
@@Last666Dragonborn and that dialogue suggests that him being in the final battle is not a bug, for sure. There is got to be a more “legal” way to get him there other than just knocking him out, when (i guess) youre supposed to kill him. Maybe you just never return to the temple after fighting orin
Not what I'd consider a full evil line-up, Shadowheart should be replaced by Viconia (spare the Nightsong, then betray Shadowheart to Viconia, gets you the real evil Shar cult leader), you should get Lorroakan (help him enslave the Nightsong after she was released, goes with the previous one) and you should recruit the Zhentarim (help them overthrow the Guild, killing Nine Fingers). Each of the three have the same bonus as their opposite counterpart. Viconia and Shar Shadowheart are both evil technically, but since Shadowheart is a companion, she's the positive option, while convincing Shadowheart to betray Shar, then serving her up on a platter to the Justiciars is way worse, and again opens up Lorroakan as an option (who is the evil counterpart to Rolan). Zhentarim is the negative counterpart to Nine Fingers. Up in the air if Strange Ox is evil, it's definitely an abomination but it doesn't seem to be actively doing anything nefarious.
@@heroic_antagonist759 Strange Ox also worships Cyric, the Prince of Lies. If don't know your lore, Cyric is the god that conspired with Shar to cause the spellplague.
The strange ox is not really evil, if you kill him as teh dark urge, he will stay in ox form and just accept iits death, he is just as he says, want to be a on in peace.
Not really. Read his thoughts in Last Light. It's brutal and bloodthirsty. Just as Dark Urge. Also he asks you to move him into the city and later he mentions a massacre and blood bath. So, he is trying to get rid of this lifestyle but he can't resist the urge
Fun fact: If you get that cutscene as a Vengeance Paladin Dark Urge (The one where you kill the Ox without it revealing its true form) you end up breaking your oath.
I wonder if it is possible to acquire Lorroakans help in the endfight. I'd argue it would be more evil to betray Shadowheart and then trade Aylin to a different master.
My evil run just had Astarion and shadowheart there. The fist didn't even show up, all I had was Wither's saying "well you suck at getting allies so this will have to do"
Or you help him with his pact when you first meet him by killing the rat guy. Then he will automatically ally with you against Raphael and ofc in the final battle.
I think you missed Lorroakan and his arcane battery ability if you sacked the moonmaiden. That ability during battle is fucking nuts, instantly evaporated one of the dream guardians.
YOU CAN RECRUIT SAVEROK?! Damnit! Should've go back to talk to him! Also, dunno if I count the Ox as an ally for the evil route since destroying the inn prevent him from appearing in act 3.
You can recruit it after u kill orin the red then go meet the brain, if u go back to talk to him he will challange u to kill you to be bhaal #1 chosen (bhaal followers kill eachother to be only 1 bhaal spawn so bhaal himself can ressurect through the spawn)
@@Hadeshy TBH my game got a bit buggy right after the Inn got destroyed and some other things also weren’t working as intended so it couldn’t just been a mistake on my end 😅 Like Jaheira didn’t register that she was in Act 3 until I put her on my party.
in my evil durge run i didn't have wulbren since you have to go out of your way to save him in moonrise which isn't something id see my durge doing. instead had yurgir and also the zhentarim since u just kinda side with them and they become allies
I'm not sure if I'll ever do a truly evil playthrough. I have a hard time making up a narrative in my mind where I want to save the city just so those evil characters and myself included can mess with the citizens further
In "evil run" I actually have to kill a lot of evil allies (like Yugir) I heard you can recruit Viconia but I sided with Shadowheart(Sharran) which is also evil(?) so...
@@Last666Dragonborn Viconia does the same thing as SH and the only way to do that is to save Aylin first. Which I think ends up being more evil... you save Aylin, and then give SH to Viconia (she joins up instead for the final battle) and give Aylin to Lorroakan (he joins for the final battle too with Ramazith's tower)
Auntie Ethel, Strange Ox and Koll should be called THE BAD THREE 😅. Imagine getting before Ketheric, Gortash and Orin and saying: "I BROUGHT THE BAD THREE TO FACE THE DEAD THREE" 😊
When he sends you off at the tribunal and says "return to me once you've killed my granddaughter" just don't return to him. Don't speak to him again and he won't want to fight you.
Strange Ox is not evil character, he's the one who wants to run away from his past and live simple life instead. There are few ways to find his real intentions.
im not sure what to make of him. he does not care about the thieflings, and does seem to revel in slaughter. but he also gives plenty of chances for you to avoid a fight, and seems to want to stick with the whole cow cosplay, i did feel he was much like the dark urge who tries to be beter
He’s a Cyric worshipper who is a god that makes Bhaal look well adjusted. He most likely just wants to remain on the down low to hide whatever insane nefarious shit he has planned.
"Good Playthrough" Allies
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How do you get the strange ox to appear here ?
I carried it into Baldur's gate as an apple but it did not appear here.
Hey, you should've shown off their abilities too.
Ending be like,
“Oh I wouldn’t say freed, more like, under new management”
Flaming Fists: "Is that fucking Serevok"
The fact that you can just get him with Jaheira and Minsc on the same team is so fucking funny
@El_chara can you do that? I thought you have to remain as Baal's chosen to recruit Sarevok which means Jaheira and Minsc automatically leave your camp and fight you.
It’s like if the city of London was invaded and Jack the Ripper popped out from an alley to stab an enemy general
@Steven99. So exploit or mod?
Yeah, late response but you can't. If you become Bhaal's Chosen they will permanently hostile you at the exit.
This has such "Baldur's Gate is not YOURS to conquer" vibes, I love it.
*sudden boss music starts playing, but its not for them, its for you.*
"You don't seem to understand... Baldur's Gate isn't YOURS to conquer..."
*And then Gale detonates himself*
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э😂
"Tom tom by Holy Fk plays*
Love the invincible refferance
The allies you get being evil definitely isnt as overwhelming as good. On my playthrough, it was pretty heartwarming to see the room absolutely packed with the people I had helped and saved.
I think you can even have the hag as ally in your "good" run, you would only lose a legendary rapier as part of saving Vanra
@@emilianoacuna9705I don’t think that letting the hag eat a six year old is really a thing most people do in a "good" playthrough…
@@emilianoacuna9705probably the best rapier in the game
a pior parte é ver eles morrendo pra te ajudar a conquistar seu objetivo, me senti mal por isso, consegui manter vivo apenas alguns - mas consegui salvar a cidade.
@@emilianoacuna9705you lose more than the rapier. Helping the hag survivors nets a pretty great amulet that helps on saving yhrows for three stats, and the hag's body has a ring that synergizes well with wild magic - if you're playing a build with wold magic.
Of course, ethel's boon means you can skip most of the final battle, but I dunno - part of the fun of the final battle for me was testing my skills and abilities.
Citizens of Baldur's Gate! The cruelty of the old Elder Brain is gone! Let whole NEW wave of cruelty begin!
"I wouldn't say saved, more like under new management"
"Hooray, it's the Catholic Church!"
"... oh no, it's the Catholic Church"
@@CidGuerreiro1234 we jave come to save you... from yourselves!
I love how you could add a literal demon(yurgir) to the reunion and he would be one of the lest evil ones
Correction: he is an Orthon aka a Devil….much more powerful than a demon.
@@nathanieljefferies5491That's not how Demons and Devils work. There are Demons stronger than Devils and vice versa.
I had Orthon be an ally on my good playthrough cause I crit rolled to convince him to turn against Raphael
@@gamingwsmilesI loved how insanely chill he was getting him to ally with me lmao (took several tries, but damn was it worth it)
@@nathanieljefferies5491 Devils and Demons are different races with different ranks. It doesn't work that way. Orthon is a Devil, yes, but there are plenty of Demons more powerful than him - especially if he was brought into submission by Raphael.
team line up : Little Hitler, Evil Witch, Satan's General and a Cow... I love this game!
Cow: you fools…I will destroy you all.. starting with the lactose intolerant..
@@azuraquinlilax1245 I have a dairy allergy so I'm doomed
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg moo 😈
😂😂 best game in years
This had me rolling 💀😂😂😂
I love how the flaming fist is suspicious by The Emperor but not by... y'know, friking SAREVOK?!
How do you get him at the end? Don’t we have to fight him as a durge?
No you don't unless you brought jukara or whatever her name is
@@wartimeroxy6163 Jukara 😭
@@Galixy5296 "dead old lady"
@@elijahcriswell1658 if you're going evil durge, no, you just have to kill the fuckass elephant and then you pass the tribunal without a fight. if you're good aligned you'd refuse to kill the elephant and would therefore have to kill sarevok
Auntie Ethel: Noooo you can't hit me, I'm pregnant. :(
Also Auntie Ethel: LETS GO FINAL BATTLE.
Pregnant with a child she ate whole and is still alive
Seeing Sarevok defend Baldur's Gate makes my brain short circuit.
the city has to survive if you want to conquer it lol
There must be people for you to conquer and kill.
@@hortator0767Conquest is more Bane'a thing, Sarevok planned to sacrifice them all.
@@DIEGhostfishSarevok is still a follower of Bhaal, and he recognises that as a direct child of Bhaal, your position is greater than his own.
Sarevok isn't an idiot. He knows that if the netherbrain wins, then that's it for everyone and everything.
@@sev1120 ...I don;t see how you can be a more direct child than he was. Given how long Bhaal's been dead, (And the fact that you sat out the first two games a hundred years ago) that's just not really feasible. Bhaal as your father's not meant to be literal.
It’s almost worth the evil ending to have Auntie Ethel xD she’s an icon
I want her to ride into battle on the ox!
Do we ever find out what the deal with the ox is?
@@blipboyy I believe you do. I haven't made it to Act 3 yet. You can encounter it in Act 2 and it says it's still heading to BG. It's ... interesting!
@@blipboyy It's some deal of shapechanging ooze that likes murder. An ooblex mayhaps? Or maybe some custom-ish one, some sugested that it might be a follower of Cyric that just fucks shit up for fun.
@@blipboyy he's an ooze and follower of cyric
Sarevok Anchev joins me: I sleep
Strange Ox joins me: REAL SHIT
“You’ve freed Baldur’s Gate!”
“Oh I wouldn’t say freed, more like under new management”
I did not expect the strange Ox to be present at the final battle bit it was a good laugh😂
The slime is very strong. Even if it’s not an evil play through it’s worth bringing him. He can transform into very tough stuff one of them being a Minotaur you find in the underdark
@@blazor117how the heck do you bring him xD
@@Fierth tell him you will keep his secrets each time you meet him, then at the final meeting do his request. I think he “use” to be evil and now just wants a quiet life. So moral wise it is not that bad.
@@blazor117 thanks! Just finished a 2nd playthru, will definitely try it when I do a 3rd lol
@@blazor117 lol you must of missed some of his dialog, trust me that slime is still bloodthirsty as ever.
Meanwhile, in Murder Hobo Dark Urge Play-through, no one is alive at the end & your party consists of hirelings.
I really want to see someone enter with zero allies. Guess it might just be Koll the Red and Withers in that case? That'd be funny.
It was Koll and we killed him too right before leaving lmao@@Archflip
You probably could have killed him at the circus to prevent him from even being at the end too.
The jergal run where you stay in camp to revive hirelings
Honestly, the Strange Ox's little speech hit harder than any line from the actions of the actual companions in this scene for me. There's something very poignant about the simple gratitude from a simple monster.
I feel like they really needed to have the goblins show up to get that feeling across though. I would have really loved seeing Draz, Sazza, and Gut. I'm not even sure how they seem to have Minthara + the Strange Ox unless you do some real weird pathing through the game, because I thought everyone dies at the grove during the usual raid.
Had Ox in my "it's not evil if it's funny" playthrough which was basically good, but not moral. I will have lots to explain to the others once the fight is over.
I didn't realise the Strange Ox was supposed to be particularly evil. I thought the vision he shows you was just him trying to scare you off. Not until the final act did I actually come to understand what he was. He did take hits like a champ.
@@Archflip the ox does not die in the grove raid, i didn't intent to save him but he survive anyways
how to get the ox?
You can also have the Zhentarim as allies if you allow Rhea to escape the sewers (when you find Minsc) and then choose to side with them and take over Nine-Fingers' Guild.
How do you allow her so escape tho ? She is always an ennemy in this fight for me.
@@marlo_oO I believe she has special coding to make a dash for the exit, so if you leave her alone she escapes, and then when you enter through the guild through the front way she'll be right there.
Have her escape then talk to her before the fight at the guild. She can ask you to help her take over.
The strangest Dichotomy with the same outcome. In a world ending scenario when heroes fail to save the day for Justice, the Villains will ban together and save it out of self-preservation .
League of Evil vibes
I only realised this was Team Evil when I saw Wulbren. He makes Ethel, the Strange Ox and Sarevok go "heh, I know we're bad, but really!...."
Astarion and Shadowheart being there too was also a red flag. You have to murder a lot of innocent people to have them for this.
All these random Baldur's Gate residents after seeing Serevok again would literally be a "IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER" moment.
You made Wulbren look like a nice guy in these circumstances (and he probably is among others present), congratulations!
Then he runs off to kill Gondians instead of the Netherbrain
@@ezekielbaskerville2710 well, him helping you has a prerequisite of having killed them already, so...
But it would have been in character
I honestly think Wulbren might be the worst one. Most of the others know they are evil.
"But how did you convince him to join you?
- I told him the netherbrain was a gondian brain.
- Oh yeah, that would do it."
WAIT ONE DARN MINUTE! Are you telling me that the Strange Ox DID NOT in fact intend to turn his life around and live as a simple OX? That fcker lied to me.
My headcanon is that he was slaughtering baahltists in the sewers upon entering lower city
The ox is probably more a neutral ally as just helping them will net you their help in the end.
Did he? Or did he watch people turn into mind flayers and go "Aw shit, here we go again"?
He probably did in acts 1 and 2
But by act 3 he had been fully consumed by his evil nature like the Dark Urge.
lol He seemed cool at the end of my good guy Redemptive Durge run
I wish there were some good legendary items you could only get by siding with evil. Just siding with Ethel and Saravok alone removes 2 legendaries from your inventory
They are powerful items for only evil deeds they might not be branded as legendary but their power is nothing to scoff at.
Bhaalist Armour needs you to side with Saarevok, and gives enemies within 6 feet vulnerability to piercing damage, which is IMO one of the best armors in the game.
3 Rare Items.
3 Very Rare Items.
2 Legendaries.
You gain.
Bhaalist Armor - Really good piece of gear.
And........ I can't recall anything else.
@@fatguy4137 Witch legendary you lost siding with Sarevok?
@@ecksbestInfinite healing potion - 2H sword of chaos. Heals 1-6 with every single strike. Every. You can beat barrels, boxes, chests, everything and heal.
Man I did NOT think this part would still feel so heroic! Maybe it's mostly the music though.
Another comment on here said it best. It feels like a "Baldur's Gate is not yours to conquer, it's mine." vibe.
the worst villains in baldur's gate team up and save the city!!
..wait
Wulbren be like: " Even I'm starting to think the problem might be me if these are the other people you thought were worth keeping around."
He's just there being a comparatively realistically evil, and then you've got the others talking about ripping out intestines for their god and eating children and shit.
ydhwhagsusgdud
The energy of a dick company manager having to ally himself with satanists and the antichrist
big
"Thanks Satan..."
vibes from this ending lmao
Everyone misses that Minthara is a Baenrae. Drow royalty basically.
A more evil playthrough would require to convince Shadowheart not to kill Lady Aylin, then as an evil asshole, you surrender Shadowheart to Viconia and Lady Aylin to Lorroakan and gain them both as allies. I am not sure if you can recruit Mystic Carrion.
this is fucking hilarious lmfao. auntie ethel, sarevok, ascended astarion, and justiciar shadowheart. and their ox pet. dream team
And don’t forget W*lbren
Still have yet to see Viconia and Lorroakan's ally speeches which arguably require the most evil choices in the game - Sparing The Nightsong and converting Shadowheart back to Selune only to hand them over into slavery in Act 3
Not even in evil playtroughts people have the courage to do that lol
With lorroakan it just feels like lazy choice, when you don't want to fight. I had no isobel, so noone even notices nightsong missing. And you get some gold.
I think it might be glitched. In my durge playthrough, I refused to let SH kill nightsong, which caused her to leave my party. When I went to the Shar enclave, I was able to convince them to fight with me against the absolute despite not having SH to give away. I did not see them at the end.
I’d never betray Shadowheart but I do usually let Lorroakan have the nightsong. It’s principle you see, I despise the gods and couldn’t possibly not capitalise on the opportunity to fuck over the progeny of the moon witch.
Plus I found it to be rather arrogant especially given how weak it actually is in a fight. But then Lorroakan isn’t much better in that regard so the primary reason remains the one mentioned above.
I did that! I got to hear his speech, so I'm happy. 😊
‘Oh I wouldn’t say saved’
‘More like, under new management’
A pretty dark timeline, but not the darkest since you miss Viconia and Lorroakan
You cant have both Viconia and Shadowheart though
Having shadowheart as a leader of the sharran's means you can't get lorroakan because the Nightsong is death and Viconia has to go aswell for shadowheart to become leader.
having dark justiciar shadowheart means you have to kill the nightsong.
and with no nightsong you can't get lorroakan.
@@miglehp4592 Spare the nightsong and convince Shadowheart to turn away from Shar, then backstab Nightsong to Lorroakan and Backstab Shadowheart to Viconia.
Boom. Worst Timeline.
@@mikehorne4053 Only the truest of monsters go that route
Seeing this is super dope, but now I feel sad about accidentally pissing off and killing Strange Ox at Last Light
leave no druid alive brudha
omg omg everyone shut up we can recruit *THE* Auntie Ethel?!?!? Finally an actual reason to become truly evil don't talk to me I have a new life purpose.
You don't have to devout a whole playthrough to this, just accept her offer in act 3. Unless you don't want to ally with her in your other playthrough, which is understandable.
you can also romance her
@@TeddyKrimsony WHAT????????????????????????
@@LionWithAGun and if you're a male character you can have a baby with her, a little hag
@@TeddyKrimsony How? Pls i need to know that...
My first playthrough I was very “morally grey” so I had plenty of good guy Allie’s, but I also had auntie Ethel, astarion and strange ox (although I didn’t know he was evil?)
The Ox has very disturbing thoughts full of corpses and gore, and it becomes pretty clear it wants to get into the city to kill people (it may thank you at the end for helping it commit more murders). It also says "Hail Cyric" at some point, and Cyric is the evil god of chaos, deceit, and madness.
He is a follower of another evil god. Basically, you are releasing a serial killer.
He's a follower of Cyric, the god of lies, trickery, and strife.
The person who's responsible for killing Mystra. Also probably the god that is most hated by others simply because he's an asshole and is a manipulator.
@@BlogXooz#oopsie
Same hat re: the Ox. My poor fucked up but ultimately good dark urge was so sure the guy was sincere about just wanting to be an ox. Lol
The ox is an evil ally? Damn, I helped that guy get in!
He worships Cyric but hes content with just being an ox. If you try to encourage him to cause havoc as dark urge he gets mad at you so I wouldn't call him an evil ally nessasarily.
@@adrianmarsh5903 Wait, he worships Cyric?
I think he is something similar to dark urge, he wants to live peaceful life as simple ox, but implication is bit on side of "he probably didn't succeed in reigning his bloodthirst once he got to city" based on the dialog
@@adrianmarsh5903Oh god. How much you want to bet the "Strange Ox" is actually Malik el Sami yn Nasser, the Seraph of Lies (Chosen of Cyric)?
@@adrianmarsh5903 didnt he say in the video he enjoyed a lot of bloodbaths in the city??
Seeing Wulbrean and Bhaalites as allies is kind of ironic
Can't believe the Bhaalites would ally themselves with such evil
Not gonna lie, thought there would be, WAY MORE people here. I thought Sazza woulda been here along with a couple goblins if they got saved every time.
Well, this team doesn't need to be taught how to strike terror into the hearts of their enemies (or anyone for that matter). The enemy will not capture Baldur's Gate, these maniacs will capture it themselves, or destroy it if they cannot.
The strange ox is so weird. Bc you can have it in both good and evil playthroughs super easily.
He's doing his best 😂
"Let us bathe the way in Bluuud" 🤣
Holy shit no idea you could get Ethel and Saravok, that’s awesome
Sarovok is only available to embrace durge
But you can get Ethel in any playthrough
Started my second run determined to play it different, but stuck in the "good" choices rut. So nice to see the alternate future I coulda had.
Me too. I know it's just a game but dammit, I wanna be nice!
I can't be evil in a game with voiceacting.
The Dark Urge is for you then. I am exactly the same. I cannot compel myself to play differently. You can still be "good" with the Dark Urge, but the game certainly changes because of it. I think you might enjoy it. Just don't talk to any animals. You've been warned lol.
It really speaks to the threat when all the most awful people in the world feel the need to team up against it.
What a cursed ally group, they even cheer at the most unpopular motivation line XD
What a cursed playthrough to have them fight the elder brain, almost makes me pity the elder brain if it was as evil as this group :D
Auntie Ethel's lines were pretty cool, imagine its some cool mature woman like melody speaking
I'm guessing to have Saravok simply don't re-visit him after killing Orin ?
Yep.
I'm wondering if this was removed. This man doesn't seem to want to show up for me, the lazy jerk.
I was gonna say that you could've had Lorroakan, but I forgot about the relation with Shadowheart and the Nightsong 💀
Thank you so much for making this! This is what I really wanted to see but couldn't be arsed for a whole playthrough just to see alternative endings. Go Mad Sentient Cow!
The Kuo-Toa should've been evil allies too.
So, they didn't build you an army? I feel betrayed
I don't see why they have to be evil. You can get them to worship you as a good character entirely by accident lol.
@@mizushirokanon9174Yeah, I was kind of wanting them to show up at the final battle to help out or something. 🤷
@KazumaKenchi well yea, but if you are evil they'd be evil. They just follow whatever you decide for them. Theoretically I mean. They fit into both.
When I have another 300 hours to spare I'll go back and do the evil playthrough.
Alistair always moved me with his pre-battle speaches.
This ending part gave me such Origins vibes. This game is everything I had hoped for Dragon Age.
Wish they added like a ''final romance scene/goodbye'' for your romance option.
Its genius how Larian formed on how the Parasite and Elderbrain is a threat to all, even one consider Gods by civilians, to where they become your allies.
What what what what what what. The. Feck. I havnt gotten past act 1. And I'd say im playing a good playthrough. This game has so much to it. The hag quest line absolutely shocked me. Multiple attempts at that quest. But seeing that there's a playthrough where the hag helps you fight, this game is absolutely ridiculously incredible.
The triumphant music hitting in after Minthara's "And we are still standing!" hits hard, even if that was by sheer randomness of the loop~
Man I just finished my evil Durge honor run and tried to get Saravok but he challenged me to fight after killing Orin. Didn’t know you could recruit hag though, that’s cool. And the iron hands are definitely evil haha
Same here, idk how to get him!
Well, I can see why the Ox is part of the evil conglomerate.
Shit, auntie Ethel would be a powerful ally…
noted: i should not have murdered ethel
yeah, she kidnaps a kid if you don't let her keep the unwanted baby.
so this time I let mayrina stay with ethel like she wanted, we'll see what happens.
@@HisameArtwork she still kidnaps the kid and asks for the kid's mother head (disguised as captain grizly) for 3k gold.
I'm confused what happens to Mayrina if Ethel keeps her... Maybe Ethel just eats them and finds someone else.
I COULD HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH AUNTIE?!?!?!
"You thought the Absolute was the worst of the problem" PlayThrough
What are their abilities when you summon them? Does Sarevok and Ethel join the battle or just give you buffs? Does Shadowheart summon fellow Shar worshippers?
Ethel gives you invisibility buff up to 5 members and doesn't show up herself
Yeah Shadowheart let's you summon Sharrans
@@Last666Dragonborn What about Sarevok?
@@warallied blessing from bhal, passive buff that reduces the roll required to crit by 2
@@ChrodoxCh damn thats actually a pretty insane buff
@@alexanderrose1556 it's super insane, espacially if you chars that already have better crit range, like champions, etc
it's absolutely mind boggling how much content can this game put together. how is this game even real?
I guess I gave in to the Dark Urge too much LOL
Only a couple of those were left alive in my ending.
Netherbrain: WE WILL CONQUER ALL. THE GRAND DESIGN WILL BE FULFILLED.
DUrge: You dont seem to understand. Baldur's Gate, isn't yours to conquer
Oh what do we know, the Ironhands side by side with Sarevok again.
I played mostly "good" but was able to have the Devil Lord whom I convinced to turn against Raphael join me in the Final Battle along with the evil trader.
How do you ally Sarevok?? In my Dark Urge playthrough he attempted to kill me after getting rid of Orin
Maybe he never went to talk with him after?
@@ItsM4rtytime I actually went to report to Sarevok after killing Orin and he asked me for deathmatch as well
I turned on "knock out unconscious" passive and he showed up at final battle!
When you use non-lethal finisher you can't loot his sword and helmet though
@@Last666Dragonborn and that dialogue suggests that him being in the final battle is not a bug, for sure. There is got to be a more “legal” way to get him there other than just knocking him out, when (i guess) youre supposed to kill him. Maybe you just never return to the temple after fighting orin
@@ar2014 el definitive edition tendrá las respuestas
I gotten him in my playthrough by never returning to Savorak and his trap.@@ar2014
Flaming fist: “are we the baddies?”
Not what I'd consider a full evil line-up, Shadowheart should be replaced by Viconia (spare the Nightsong, then betray Shadowheart to Viconia, gets you the real evil Shar cult leader), you should get Lorroakan (help him enslave the Nightsong after she was released, goes with the previous one) and you should recruit the Zhentarim (help them overthrow the Guild, killing Nine Fingers). Each of the three have the same bonus as their opposite counterpart.
Viconia and Shar Shadowheart are both evil technically, but since Shadowheart is a companion, she's the positive option, while convincing Shadowheart to betray Shar, then serving her up on a platter to the Justiciars is way worse, and again opens up Lorroakan as an option (who is the evil counterpart to Rolan). Zhentarim is the negative counterpart to Nine Fingers.
Up in the air if Strange Ox is evil, it's definitely an abomination but it doesn't seem to be actively doing anything nefarious.
The strange ox literally says he's been enjoying bloodbaths since entering the city. I like him a lot but he definetly fall more under evil
@@heroic_antagonist759 Strange Ox also worships Cyric, the Prince of Lies. If don't know your lore, Cyric is the god that conspired with Shar to cause the spellplague.
The fact that Yurgir isn't considered an evil ally is hilarious. He's a mass murderer from hell, lmao
Guess ive been doing a neutral run then cause i seen no rrason to not help the cow
I wonder what was going through that fists head when Sarevok Anchev showed up to help.
The strange ox is not really evil, if you kill him as teh dark urge, he will stay in ox form and just accept iits death, he is just as he says, want to be a on in peace.
Not really. Read his thoughts in Last Light. It's brutal and bloodthirsty. Just as Dark Urge. Also he asks you to move him into the city and later he mentions a massacre and blood bath. So, he is trying to get rid of this lifestyle but he can't resist the urge
Fun fact: If you get that cutscene as a Vengeance Paladin Dark Urge
(The one where you kill the Ox without it revealing its true form)
you end up breaking your oath.
"The netherbrain has been defeated the city is saved!"
"Saved? More like under new management... "
I was more of a "kill them all unless I reeeaallly liked them" kinda evil. Took Minthra, killed the rest.
lets just forget the others first, do you know that OX is Cyric’s follower？
Damn its so funning watching Cyric's guy stand with Baal's chosen LMAO
I wonder if it is possible to acquire Lorroakans help in the endfight. I'd argue it would be more evil to betray Shadowheart and then trade Aylin to a different master.
Yes, he helps you by throwing a big ass beam from his tower.
My evil run just had Astarion and shadowheart there. The fist didn't even show up, all I had was Wither's saying "well you suck at getting allies so this will have to do"
Yeah, Yuigir is easy,....if you manage the high persuation check.^^
Or you help him with his pact when you first meet him by killing the rat guy. Then he will automatically ally with you against Raphael and ofc in the final battle.
I got him in my "Good playthrough" which is in the pinned comment
I think you missed Lorroakan and his arcane battery ability if you sacked the moonmaiden. That ability during battle is fucking nuts, instantly evaporated one of the dream guardians.
YOU CAN RECRUIT SAVEROK?! Damnit! Should've go back to talk to him!
Also, dunno if I count the Ox as an ally for the evil route since destroying the inn prevent him from appearing in act 3.
well he is talking about enjoying murder and onslaught and bloodbaths. I'd consider him evil
You can recruit it after u kill orin the red then go meet the brain, if u go back to talk to him he will challange u to kill you to be bhaal #1 chosen (bhaal followers kill eachother to be only 1 bhaal spawn so bhaal himself can ressurect through the spawn)
I destroyed the Inn and I still got him as an ally. In fact I didn’t even talk to him until Act 3
@@MrBrockmcmillin wtf? He didn't appear at all in act 3 for me? And I didn't attack him
@@Hadeshy TBH my game got a bit buggy right after the Inn got destroyed and some other things also weren’t working as intended so it couldn’t just been a mistake on my end 😅 Like Jaheira didn’t register that she was in Act 3 until I put her on my party.
in my evil durge run i didn't have wulbren since you have to go out of your way to save him in moonrise which isn't something id see my durge doing. instead had yurgir and also the zhentarim since u just kinda side with them and they become allies
hearing Astarion say "My dark forces." is just chef's kiss
What does this mean? Can you summon vampire Spawn when letting Astarion ascend?
@@belis6349 ghouls i think, cant remember
I'm not sure if I'll ever do a truly evil playthrough. I have a hard time making up a narrative in my mind where I want to save the city just so those evil characters and myself included can mess with the citizens further
You’re missing quite a few evil allies…
He's evil so some might have died
In "evil run" I actually have to kill a lot of evil allies (like Yugir)
I heard you can recruit Viconia but I sided with Shadowheart(Sharran) which is also evil(?) so...
@KK-wi1ju nice to know thx
@@Last666Dragonborn Viconia does the same thing as SH and the only way to do that is to save Aylin first. Which I think ends up being more evil... you save Aylin, and then give SH to Viconia (she joins up instead for the final battle) and give Aylin to Lorroakan (he joins for the final battle too with Ramazith's tower)
@@Last666Dragonborn you don't have to kill Yurgir, just roll a 30
I have no idea how but even though I did a lot of the side quests I ended up with literally no companions in this room
Auntie Ethel, Strange Ox and Koll should be called THE BAD THREE 😅.
Imagine getting before Ketheric, Gortash and Orin and saying: "I BROUGHT THE BAD THREE TO FACE THE DEAD THREE" 😊
If you had allies… you bring shame to the house of Bhaal. My room was EMPTY
I did Dark Urge - I didn't know you could get Ethel and Sarevok as allies!
I FORGOT ABOUT THE OX. I guess I will forever carry him with me lol
How did you recruit Sarevok, he wanted to kill me after becoming the chosen one.
When he sends you off at the tribunal and says "return to me once you've killed my granddaughter" just don't return to him. Don't speak to him again and he won't want to fight you.
@@FacetiousEnigma ah good to know, but his loot is too good to let him live
@@P4INTR4IN very true
@@P4INTR4INknock him out
"Observe with who it travelleth. Friends"
Yeah, obviously
Auntie Ethel is the GOAT
Out of all the evil companions, how does Wulbren Bongle remain the most hatable little bastard?
Wait these are the saviors we're rooting for 😅
You can also recruit the followers of Shar by betraying Shadowheart who has gone over to Seluna and recruit Larorakan by betraying Nightsong
Strange Ox is not evil character, he's the one who wants to run away from his past and live simple life instead. There are few ways to find his real intentions.
im not sure what to make of him. he does not care about the thieflings, and does seem to revel in slaughter. but he also gives plenty of chances for you to avoid a fight, and seems to want to stick with the whole cow cosplay, i did feel he was much like the dark urge who tries to be beter
doesnt he literally say he enjoyed bloodbaths in the city? this is cope
He’s a Cyric worshipper who is a god that makes Bhaal look well adjusted. He most likely just wants to remain on the down low to hide whatever insane nefarious shit he has planned.