Great review, I have been searching for this type of full review and it delivered. I have a M10 on order, and have only had a 10 min ride on a shop model so wanted to learn more, at 55 and have been riding mtbs for 35 yrs and this is the pinnacle for me. Tried full fat ebikes and they feel like I,m just hanging on as a passenger plus I found them so awkward to lift over gates and onto bike racks, this bike is the sweet spot!
I bought an Orbea Rise M10 with the Vault hub. After 8mths and limited rides I was getting a loud pinging noise from the rear hub. On inspection I found that the teeth on the Vault hub were rounded along with the pawls. Clearly the hub is not fit for purpose on an ebike and I do not understand why Orbea are fitting standard mtb components on ebikes!!! The loads incurred on an ebike rear hub are massive compared to that of a conventional bike. So at considerable expense (£450) I have changed out my rear hub to DT Swiss who actually make ebike compatible hubs.
great review, although there is no word about the suspension - how can I block front/rear shock on climbs or flat fine roads, where I dont need the suspension?
Hi there Luis! There's actually quite a lot of discussion in the video about the suspension performance. However, we have even more detail about suspension setup and tuning in the full review: flowmountainbike.com/tests/orbea-rise-review/ In regards to locking out the suspension, the rear shock has a 3-position compression lever that gives you Open, Trail & Firm settings. The Firm position is not quite a full lockout, but it does firm up the back end a lot. The fork is a Fox 36 GRIP2, which has adjustable high and low-speed compression adjustment and is beautifully supple and well controlled, but doesn't have a lockout. If you want a lockout, Orbea offers the Rise with a Fox 34 FIT4 fork that offers a 3-position compression lever for locking out the front suspension. Hope that helps! [Wil]
Thanks for the good video packed with interesting contend, to compare the range of the integrated battery, you have to give a hint how fit you are without motor power. How exhausted do you are riding 40-50km with 1400-1500HM on a bio-bike? I am not that fit and could manage to go 30km with up to 400HM without a motor. How much range could I get out of the battery?
Hi there Paolo! Here are the Fox 36 GRIP2 settings for my 68kg weight (all damper settings set from fully closed); Pressure: 72psi LSR: 8/14 HSR: 8/8 LSC: 10/16 HSC: 6/8 Hope that helps! [Will]
Nice review. I would really like to ride one. I ride a 2018 levo carbon mullet with trail set on 35% / 55% which is enough for nearly everything and probably similar to RS output.The bonus is 2018 brose motors are nearly completely silent and reliable. Also have a 2020 levo but a bit noisier and reliability??? I'm nearly back to my birth weight at 63kg so Emtb weight not critical. E=Mtb²
8:47 are you sure. isn't it broadcasting data using ANT+. I thought it should be visible as a regular ant+ sensor in the roam elemnt. has somebody tested that?
I wonder if there is a way to retune the motor to full power? I think that would be awesome option if you wanted to do a shortish rides, then you could just change the max tune back to 60w when you want more range.
Hey there Harry! We asked Orbea that question and this was the response: "Even if it’s possible, we recommend not doing this because the customer will lose the warranty and all the electronics will be under risk." So it sounds like they don't recommend it! [Wil]
After about 3 years the last Keurig stopped working th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf initially was able to unblock, however eventually we couldn't fix. That one was a replacement unit sent by the manufacturer after we had problems with our very first Keurig. This works fine (lol, at least for now) however I didn't realize the water reservoir was so much smaller than our prior unit. With 2 people having one or two cups of coffee each morning, it seems like I'm refilling it daily. Otherwise just happy to have the convenience of pod coffee vs. making a morning pot.
Hum. I already have 3 bikes that depend on my legs. .......and any shimano motor has different power modes to try. But Im used to 45HP dirtbikes, so Im biased.
Good news Zak - we've already reviewed the Norco Sight (th-cam.com/video/wx4SopDQu0Y/w-d-xo.html) and the Norco Sight VLT (th-cam.com/video/b92zOwE9xFY/w-d-xo.html). Hope that helps! [Wil]
from the on site review "On my regular test rides, I consistently achieved around 1,400-1,500m of climbing across 40-50km rides while using Trail mode"
Certainly was Scott! We put a load of detail about the range test experiment (where we compared the Orbea Rise with the Specialized Kenevo SL and several full-powered e-MTBs) in the full review, which I reckon you'll dig - if you get the chance, check it out here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/orbea-rise-review/ [Wil]
I wonder about that, any motor can be ran in low power or eco mode, but has the higher power when desired, the shimano motor weighs the same rather its limited or not limited....................I tend to think power and range are at the top of a lot of riders charts.
@@stevedzurilla2436 There's not 7 grands worth of technology there. The drive train is not up to the job on some of these E bikes & will need replacing after a few months of riding. I will stick to my pro caliber for now.
Good review but please stop using the term "full power" to describe overweight bikes. It is easy to use a 3rd party app to tune the EP8 RS to those same specs. The Rise can easily be "full power"
Great review, I have been searching for this type of full review and it delivered. I have a M10 on order, and have only had a 10 min ride on a shop model so wanted to learn more, at 55 and have been riding mtbs for 35 yrs and this is the pinnacle for me. Tried full fat ebikes and they feel like I,m just hanging on as a passenger plus I found them so awkward to lift over gates and onto bike racks, this bike is the sweet spot!
Great review for someone thinking of a lower power ebike. Flow reviews are really in-depth and useful for the potential buyer, keep them coming.
Great thorough review - I have one of these on order - counting down the days till early November
Thanks Anthony, and hope you enjoy the new bike! [Wil]
I bought an Orbea Rise M10 with the Vault hub. After 8mths and limited rides I was getting a loud pinging noise from the rear hub. On inspection I found that the teeth on the Vault hub were rounded along with the pawls. Clearly the hub is not fit for purpose on an ebike and I do not understand why Orbea are fitting standard mtb components on ebikes!!!
The loads incurred on an ebike rear hub are massive compared to that of a conventional bike. So at considerable expense (£450) I have changed out my rear hub to DT Swiss who actually make ebike compatible hubs.
YIKES! And sorry.
Sounds awesome! I ordered mine a couple of months ago, M10 with carbon wheels upgrade and minions front & rear.
Right on Joel - hope you enjoy the new bike! [Wil]
would this bike do for normal roads, streets and gravel roads ?
great review, although there is no word about the suspension - how can I block front/rear shock on climbs or flat fine roads, where I dont need the suspension?
Hi there Luis!
There's actually quite a lot of discussion in the video about the suspension performance. However, we have even more detail about suspension setup and tuning in the full review: flowmountainbike.com/tests/orbea-rise-review/
In regards to locking out the suspension, the rear shock has a 3-position compression lever that gives you Open, Trail & Firm settings. The Firm position is not quite a full lockout, but it does firm up the back end a lot.
The fork is a Fox 36 GRIP2, which has adjustable high and low-speed compression adjustment and is beautifully supple and well controlled, but doesn't have a lockout. If you want a lockout, Orbea offers the Rise with a Fox 34 FIT4 fork that offers a 3-position compression lever for locking out the front suspension.
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
Hello there, where do you do your test? The trail looks awesome
Thanks for the good video packed with interesting contend, to compare the range of the integrated battery, you have to give a hint how fit you are without motor power. How exhausted do you are riding 40-50km with 1400-1500HM on a bio-bike? I am not that fit and could manage to go 30km with up to 400HM without a motor. How much range could I get out of the battery?
I'd love to see Orbea offer a mullet setup with a 160 fork that would be the perfect bike... for me anyway😊
Great review. I’ve been on my Rise since June (love it!) and your comments are spot on. 👍
Right on Jodi! Thanks for watching and for your feedback, and glad to hear you're loving the Rise! [Wil]
Hi Will, what are the trousers your wearing? Real smart👍
Hey Derek, those are the DHaRCO Gravity Pants. Nice and stretchy, great fit for sure! [Wil]
Bike and review look great. What trails are you riding here? Looks rad!
Did your test bike have the rattle from the shimano motor, mine has and it’s the only negative thing about the bike
Hey there Karl! Did you watch the section at 7:03?
Hi, Your fork setup? in the review it's indicated only that of the shock...
Hi there Paolo!
Here are the Fox 36 GRIP2 settings for my 68kg weight (all damper settings set from fully closed);
Pressure: 72psi
LSR: 8/14
HSR: 8/8
LSC: 10/16
HSC: 6/8
Hope that helps!
[Will]
@@FlowMountainBikeTH-cam thks a lot!!
Nice review. I would really like to ride one. I ride a 2018 levo carbon mullet with trail set on 35% / 55% which is enough for nearly everything and probably similar to RS output.The bonus is 2018 brose motors are nearly completely silent and reliable. Also have a 2020 levo but a bit noisier and reliability???
I'm nearly back to my birth weight at 63kg so Emtb weight not critical.
E=Mtb²
8:47 are you sure. isn't it broadcasting data using ANT+. I thought it should be visible as a regular ant+ sensor in the roam elemnt. has somebody tested that?
11:45 what is this for a App?
I wonder if there is a way to retune the motor to full power? I think that would be awesome option if you wanted to do a shortish rides, then you could just change the max tune back to 60w when you want more range.
Hey there Harry! We asked Orbea that question and this was the response: "Even if it’s possible, we recommend not doing this because the customer will lose the warranty and all the electronics will be under risk." So it sounds like they don't recommend it! [Wil]
its possible to tune it back to 85nm, but the process is not reversible.
I have one and I really think it would be overkill in most situations.
Great review, just a shame I'm unable to test ride one. Unless you are heading down to Newcastle soon 👍😛
Sounds like demand is high and supply is low - sadly our test bike is already being whisked off 😭
After about 3 years the last Keurig stopped working th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf initially was able to unblock, however eventually we couldn't fix. That one was a replacement unit sent by the manufacturer after we had problems with our very first Keurig. This works fine (lol, at least for now) however I didn't realize the water reservoir was so much smaller than our prior unit. With 2 people having one or two cups of coffee each morning, it seems like I'm refilling it daily. Otherwise just happy to have the convenience of pod coffee vs. making a morning pot.
Hum. I already have 3 bikes that depend on my legs. .......and any shimano motor has different power modes to try.
But Im used to 45HP dirtbikes, so Im biased.
Would you be reviewing a Norco Sight anytime soon?
Good news Zak - we've already reviewed the Norco Sight (th-cam.com/video/wx4SopDQu0Y/w-d-xo.html) and the Norco Sight VLT (th-cam.com/video/b92zOwE9xFY/w-d-xo.html). Hope that helps! [Wil]
from the on site review "On my regular test rides, I consistently achieved around 1,400-1,500m of climbing across 40-50km rides while using Trail mode"
@flow assuming this was on Trail? How many hours of battery🔋are we talking?
Certainly was Scott! We put a load of detail about the range test experiment (where we compared the Orbea Rise with the Specialized Kenevo SL and several full-powered e-MTBs) in the full review, which I reckon you'll dig - if you get the chance, check it out here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/orbea-rise-review/ [Wil]
Isn’t it just underpowered battery wise rather than “efficient” as you described it.
I wonder about that, any motor can be ran in low power or eco mode, but has the higher power when desired, the shimano motor weighs the same rather its limited or not limited....................I tend to think power and range are at the top of a lot of riders charts.
Does the motor still rattle?
Yep, as discussed at 7:00 in the video. [Wil]
I thought it was good until you quoted the price. Sorry I will have to give it a miss this year & keep peddling those hills.
This bike is cheap compared to the spec you get with any Specialized Ebike.
@@stevedzurilla2436 There's not 7 grands worth of technology there. The drive train is not up to the job on some of these E bikes & will need replacing after a few months of riding. I will stick to my pro caliber for now.
What a price of this cycle 😊
Thank you 😊
its soo good in practise
im excited now.,,
"New"?
let me guess they cost more than a car!
Approximately 4 times as much as my old Corolla 😂 [Wil]
Good review but please stop using the term "full power" to describe overweight bikes. It is easy to use a 3rd party app to tune the EP8 RS to those same specs. The Rise can easily be "full power"