The best thing about this channel is Robs relentless positive energy! Makes me want to get out there and explore!! Keep up the amazing work Rob- Inspiring us all
Please please pretty please, always give us "real" units and freedom units at the same time, like "850m/2800ft". Would make the message of the video so much easier to digest rather than having to switch between youtube and unit converter all the time (at least for those like myself who aren't used to thinking in inches/yards/feet/miles/bald eagles per big macs, etc.) 👍
Great video Rob. Honest and relevant comments throughout which is very informative I recently took delivery of my - Orbea Rise M20 2021 - Coal Blue / Red Gold and really like it . I previously had a Canyon Spectral On which was really good but I found it too heavy and it was too easy to just plough through trails like a monster truck. Going down hill at over 40 mph over rough terrain was exhilarating but not my typical type of ride experience I do nearly all of my riding in eco or trail mode. I also switch off the motors and run sections unaided to keep my fitness level consistent - 61 now and have been riding MTBs since I was in my early 20s and still ride my Whyte 901 too The Rise is fitted with Shimano SC-EM800 Display and that allows me to see at a glance speed , range etc I took the bike to Swinley Forrest the other day and it handled the trails there brilliantly. I really like the way the bike feels and it inspires you to do more. My previous bikes have included Orange 5 and Whyte T130 so the Rise is quite similar in terms of trail capabilities Will consider upgrading to bigger disc on the front at some point and possibly swapping out the brake pistons for 4 pot but they seem fine so far. Having spent many hours reviewing and considering lots of bikes I reckon Orbea have really produced something very exceptional and it will serve me well going forwards . At 61 I still want to do 3 or 4 hour rides and your review confirms that is more than doable Ps - we met briefly at the eBike centre and you kindly offered to let me try out your first Levo . Great to see your subscribers and popularity growing
@@willemhorak1 hi - sadly not ! Unable to ride since early October due to operation . But I did take it to QE in September - I did some bits of Rogate Downhill and then did the Red run at QE .
Great work Rob!. I've been riding my new Rise for about a month now, and I'm really impressed by the range and efficiency as well. I've not run it through a full charge in a single ride yet, but I have done a wide variety of rides from rolling XC to park-style loops with a lot of vertical in a short distance, and I've done rides fully in Eco, fully in Trail, fully in Boost, and a mix. On every ride that I have checked, if I extrapolate based on my actual elevation gain, distance, and battery % used, it fully matches what Orbea claim in their marketing (website) and in the Blue Paper (owners book). Deeply impressed, both by the bike, and by the honestly of Orbea's claims on the range. I've not seen any need to even contemplate the range extender yet; for various reasons, I don't have time for rides that would be long enough to require it!
65 kim's on my M10 doing undulating cross country track, most of it on trail, a bit of boost on pinch climbs and then 1/2 an hour in principally eco mode when range anxiety started to kick in. 100 + kg rider, turned EMTB support up a notice, maxed out the torque on Boost mode. Very happy with the power and range so far....typically getting 35-40 km's riding up and down jump lines.
One of if not the best MTB tube channel as far as quality of film and editing: truly amazing, especially thinking that there is not a full troupe of film professionals behind! I'm very impressed by your skills as mtbiker and film director! never stop please, but think about scaling up your talent in a larger scope venture! congrats!
Thanks, Rob, again, useful and informative. I'm certainly finding the internal battery to be sufficient - 26 miles/3500ft off-road and 10% battery remaining is typical. Might still opt for the Extender for those BIG days out... I tend to use lower settings and Boost is only 55NM, Trail 45 or so, Eco 35 or so in Profile 2 and Eco and Trail set lower for Profile 1.
Another great video Rob. Really useful to see just how far you can go on one of these 'small' eMTBs. Orbea really have nailed it with the Rise. Yet to do a range test on my Marin Alpine Trail E1 but its on my list of vids to make - so far though, with its 504Wh battery and 24kg weight, I have to say the range isn't massively dissimilar to some of the numbers you mention in your vid. Lots of myths to be de-bunked for new eMTB riders so great to see a real world test - nice one.
Great video Rob. By way of contrast my 2021 Whyte E-160 S has 1300 miles under its belt, I weigh 12st dead and last week on a mild day I rode 20.8 miles of Surrey Hills trails in the new Trail + mode with an indicated 27 miles remaining. This was a pretty pain-free experience and I’d say it’s a massive improvement over the old Trail mode.
41.3 km and 2800 ft, or 850 meters. Today I rode my Rise M20 on similar, though generally a little rougher terrain. Burned through one-third of the battery and covered 16.6 km and 619 meters elevation gain. I weight less -- 55 kg -- but am older --67 -- and likely less fit. On an earlier ride of the same general area, I burned half the battery and got 20 km and 750 meters. So it looks like we're getting similar distance but my lighter weight is giving me considerably more elevation. Cheers Rob.
Hey Rob! I just found your channel as I'm getting the bug for an E-bike once again. I must say that I really appreciate your attention to detail with your filming and editing. Great shots and great energy. Very well put together!
@@ilidiofaria I'm not lightweight - about 78kg. Actually, it should be about 2100m with a distance about 51 km because the battery died before the end of the trip.
I ran a similar test on my rocky mountain altitude powerplay. Using Trail mode set at 60% and ludicrous mode set at 100% the 632 wh battery delivered 76 km with 4% left on the battery this compares favourably with your test. Granted I have to carry the full weight of the bike whenever I use it so I don’t benefit from the weight saving of the bike tested here but I also have the advantage of up to 108 NM of torque whenever required.
I just got an H15 with the 540 wh battery and i could ride it 3 times without a recharge and still had 40% of the battery left. Day 1 i rode 28 kms on a flat route with no elevation and on Eco mode; Day 2 just 11 kms but Climbed the same hill a few times and was riding with a group of full powered dudes and had to use the Boost mode all the time to keep up with them. Day 3 rode 26 kms mostly on trail mode. So a total of 65 kms and still had 40% left, this bike is great!
I've also boosted the eco and trail modes and can easily do 1500m over 40-50km of riding using trail for everything uphill and eco for the rest. Great bike and more than enough range
Interested to try the changes you made to the assist settings. I love mine but for normal weekend rides it's so efficient I can usually get away with using boost everywhere - 40km and over 800m elevation is possible on just the internal battery for me like this. Also, the state of your hands looks like a good advert for mtb glove companies!
when it comes to Ebike range. there are just so many factors. im always shocked when i hear ppl with 500-800whr battery packs only getting 30-50kms of range. i suspect that people think they are more fit then they actually are. my 880whr pack nets me on average 150km of range. however i have gone as low as 70kms on 1 charge, but i also did 310km's on a charge once. the two biggest factors i would say are elevation gain / weight on that trip, and power mode. when i got only 70km's i was using around 500w with bursts of full power at 1,500w. while when i did the 310km ride i hardly ever used more then 150w
Rob, when do you think some standard will be made where motors can be swapped out for old ones? The thing putting me off an ebike is that in 3-4 years when I want to upgrade to a new motor or my old one breaks, the mounting standards have changed and I’m stuck with buying old new stock or second hand motors.
Really appreciate the videos and the amount of time you put into all the different drone shots with FPV. The only critique I would have visually would be to color correct, at a minimum white balance, between drone as FPV. Love your channel, and the how genuine you are! Please keep making more visual content. I have a Orbea Wild FS coming, and excited to explore!
Cannot decide between this and the Rail as a first ebike, Rob. Currently riding a YT Jeffsy, I don't know whether to go full fat and have the best of both with the Rail/Jeffsy combo, or take this as a more familiar/lightweight ride with the added umph from the motor. I'd love your thoughts if you'd be willing. Cheers, love the channel.
My longest ride was 38 miles 2300ft of climbing before it died a mile from my van . I’m well impressed, my range extender has just arrived so a great backup on those longer rides👍
So you have tested both Levo SL and Orbea Rise M10.. have you got a comparison for these 2? Pros and cons? What do u like best and least about them? Seems like Levo SL got lot more range than Rise M10? From most reviews I can see that Levo SL is more planted profile and Rise is poppy profile? And lastly, I have been riding my Levo SL with power off lots of time without problems and I am relatively fit. Will that be possible to do same with the Rise M10 you think? Will it harm the Shimano battery riding with power off??
they should fill those bikes up completely with batteries, why stop with bottom tube? top tube, seat tube, chainstays, seatsatays, handlebars, stuff them all full of batteries, so what if its gonna weigh 30kg, my car weighs 1.5 ton but its got a motor to pull it along so it feels like a feather to me, just push on the pedal and go, and the further you can go the more useful it is, the less you have to keep charging it
This is brilliant review / lovely shots including the one in the late afternoon sun setting down with colorful foliage panorama. But - where the heck is this magnificent trial you're riding so joyfully? I am getting my M10 this Friday as the price is right for 2022 iterations now.
Hey Rob big thanks to your video in skye and rassay and torridon. I hooked up.with Chris from.H &I adventures and he took us to Applecross then onto torridon then rassay. Thanks to your video made me aware of the company. We rode the 50km loop.at torridon and was out of this world. By far the hardest challenge I've had on a emtb. climbing and decending. Thanks .there starting e bike tours in Scotland next year if you can help mention to the e bike community would be much appreciated help them kick this off 👍 Callum
Really cool video Rob. Looks like you´re enjoying the RISE. I love mine. It´s a pretty tough assist you used there if I understood, profile 2 with max torque which must be pretty close to profile 1 Boost? I´m your weight and use profile 1, generaly starting in ECO to warm up and then mixing up ECO and TRAIL depending on the trail. I find that I get between 1500 and 1700m of climbing, here distance is irrelevant as it´s steep both up and down! I got the impression that you are like me though, enjoying how the bike handles more than anything else. It´s just like a good trail bike on the way down!
Price aside, if comparing on the same spec, eg shimano xt build. Which would you recommend/prefer, Levo sl or Rise? or others like Forestal Siryon? As always, great video!
decent... I've got a canyon Neuron:ON 8 and covered over 1050 miles since March... i live in one of the highest places in England and each ride is typically around 30 miles, and about 20 miles now is in eco mode (EP8 motor) and trail mode to get me back up the hill... and normally have 2-3 bars left on the battery...and this is around 2000ft elevation too.. and my cadence is also around 85-90rpm, and the chain hasn't began to stretch yet as i measure it after each ride.... and I've only used boost mode a few times... the terrain i ride on is fields, woods, bridleways and fireroads, and a few bits of normal roads inbetween...
Thanks for the effort and the very likeable video. In my opinion range can only be judged from the outside if you compare it to the ride on a bio bike. So if you got 42km with 2800m of elevation. How far would you come without the motor/battery? Half of it? So does the bike doubles your range?
I tried the bike thinking the 60nm motor would be a big advantage over the Specialized SL motor and although it did give a bit more assist on the steepest bits and I'm 95kgs, I was surprised I preferred the feeling of the SL motor and the way it delivers the power and the lack of drag after 16mph. I thought it would be a good comprise to ride with full fat ebikes but it wasn't. I was not blown away with the bike either. I did fall off it which may have jaundiced my opinion a bit.
Excellent explanation of what the Rise is capable of. It's been 3 months since I got my Rise M20 and there are no words to describe these first 1500kms already done. Next step is to make it 160mm 160mm and ride it as much as I can. Its the perfect blend between a powerfull ebike and a regular all-mountain mtb.
@@joseazurara3245 I live next to Lisbon too. My M20 with the factory settings coal blue paintjob weighs 18.30kg the oc dropper post was 150mm, the size is M. Right now I have replaced the dropper post by a bew fox transfer kashima 150mm and the weight dropped a bit (not noticeable.) what will impact a lot on the bike will be for sure the maxxis DHR 2.4 exo max terra I'm about to place on the rear wheel as it will weight extra 250grs. Compared with the Rekon it had. Battery life will be for sure lower but I'm not sure how much lower will be. PS: I Didn't replace the OC dropper post because it was bad, I replaced it because the fox looks nicer and because i had another bike where I wanted to fit the OC dropper in.
@@CarlosAntunesMTB the best way to have more batt range and a more agile bike is to save weight in the Rim. A Rim 150g lihgter is less 300g in the bike and more inportant less rotation weight. But it depend of you weight, riding stile. But you have good carbon rims to handle everything.
I can confirm my h15 rise with my 90kgs of meat and gear on it will make 2000m up on the internal 540wh battery, 2200m if I really push myself /too hard/. That is really impressive. I stress I ride mainly in eco and only super tech/steep sections will be tackled in trail/boost. I think it rides closest to analog bike you can get. Rear hub died 200kms in.
Great review, super impressed with my RISE and its range. Do you know if you can remove the internal battery and just run on the range extender like you did with the specialized levo SL.You could have an even lighter bike and more centrally placed battery weight
I have a 700watt hour battery Levo, but frankly that looks just as good and properly light. A very very good option, especially here in the Lake District where sometimes you do have to carry the bike.
@@CarkeekW Agreed on both points, but it is heavier over a gate. However I have just had the new 2021 motor put in my 2020 model bike as the old motor failed, the old motor was good, the new tune is fantastic + is noticeably more efficient on my test route. BTW if you haven't put the new Charge 2.1 damper in your forks, assuming you have the Lyrik, its amazing.
Cracking video Rob! Good work. Was wondering how you blend your Go Pro and drone footage so seemlessly, are you shooting flat and grading/using a LUT? My footage looks crap next to yours 😂
I wonder what you would get with the 540 wh batter and then the range extender? I have the new Obrea Rise M20 with 360wh and was trying to find the 540 but none to be found by me. But I think with the Range extender and the 360wh, I would run out of gas before the 540 battery. LOL
Why do you mix metric and imperial units? Kilometer in the distance and feet in the elevation. I suggest stick to a single unit system for all the data.
Hi Rob, As there is no wheight gain compared to the basic Shimano motor which has 80 NM of torque, can you explain why Orbea decided not letting the choice to tune the power according to user needs? Looks stupid to me.
I believe it is to do with the draw from the battery, not actually the ability of the motor to be used at full power. I'm not an electrical specialist so can't explain the reasons on a technical level. I don't believe you need anything more than the 60Nm and I have hardly used it in that mode, having Boost set at 55NM, Trail at about 45 and Eco at about 35 in Profile 2, with lower settings from Trail and Eco in Profile 1.
@@tonybrookes Tony, I live in South Alps and we often have to cope with very long, steep and technical climbs. 60 NM is definitively not enough in those circumstances.
@@smeyerse :-) Nope. Same as I love that a Lamborghini has a 6l v12 but in my Lotus Elise I don’t need it! What I mean is that the Rise in turbo mode climbs steep stuff effortlessly. With 60nm. Why? Because it’s lighter. And because you pedal it too. A full power ebike is much heavier and the motor works in a different cadence band. Plus it is a different experience. That’s my opinion. But what is fact is that the Rise doesn’t struggle on steep climbs with 60nm. With my guiding pack I’m 95kg. And the Basques tend to build trails steep!
Can I just ask when doing these reviews do you actually look into the back up from these companies? As the bike might be great but dropping 5k plus on a bike with no back up then that’s rubbish. I only ask this as if it’s a custom shimano motor if there’s an issue with either the battery or motor does it still get returned to Madison (uk) for warranty or do you have to deal with orbea? If it’s orbea then good luck as if you have bought it online from them direct because you don’t have a orbea dealer local then they should pre warn people any issues you need to take it to a orbea dealer as they won’t deal with you direct.
Having nothing but trouble with my range extender. First the bike wouldn't recognise it so I sent it back. Replacement extender was the same. Back and forth with Tredz/orbea for weeks and then it suddenly worked. Then while riding and the extender was depleted the bike wouldn't stay on unless I disconnected the extender. Now the bike has started not recognising it again 😡
hi what size Orbea were you riding? im thinking of getting the new rise h30 but trying to decide what size to get. I currently ride a large YT Capra and im around 5ft10-11, long arms and legs. im swaying more towards the large as all bikes I've rode have been large and never rode an e-bike before. cheers.
This bike is al about lighweight, and thus, little range. Several bikes has over 700wh of battery, you need to work hard to run a battey like that down. Coummuting, my 630wh battery gave me over 120km range. Some brands run an internal belt, and has just about no resistance pedaling with the bike turned off.
Hey rob, nice review! Im looking for a second bike. I got already a bike with bosch gen4. But im looking into a light emtb, do you have an recommendation for me? Levo sl comp carbon or orbea rise? I prefer the levo, but i dont know if it fits my suits, because im not so trained. So are the 35nm of the levo enough? Thanks!
@@wannebiz im 6 foot 3 inch 220 lbs , i need power! My sister and brother in law have the regular levos. So i ride them too, we switch back and forth ,i can keep up with them no problem but on bigger hills i have to pedal more , get left bringing up the rear. But once up the hill i catch right back up so its fun
@@wannebiz when i bought this bike all others in my size were sold out , so glad i got it , i ride it all over the neighborhood and any trail i can find . But now after having this for 1300 mi if i bought another i would get the levo
ECO mode is great. It only feels slow if you are used to Boost. I normally start out in ECO and then switch to a mix of ECO and TRAIL when I´m warmed up. At 90kg I get betwen 1500 and 1700m of climbing. Distance isn't relevant here as it´s mostly up or down and generally steep. I pretty much never use boost, apart from short, very rough sections. THat´s internal battery.
I own the Orbea Gain (road e-bike) and I love Orbea's approach to e-bikes and assist. I really want the Rise. My one question is how does the bike handle with a dead battery. Does it feel like a normal bike? My only experience is hub motor style systems.
I have the M20 and I ride on the road to my local trails with the motor turned off. While the bikes feels slightly “heavy” I find it pedals just fine. The motor assist cuts out around 15 mph and I can keep the speed around 17mph so I’m not getting any assist anyway. It’s definitely slightly sluggish compared to my non electric Giant Trance but its nice to know if your battery dies and you’re away from home you’ll make it back.
So I have had a Whyte T130 and Orange 5 . Riding my Rise uphill with no assistance is like riding a downhill bike - it’s doable but tough . . It is absolutely fine on the flat and downhill . I keep my motor off at times just to keep my heart rate up and ensure I don’t lose my core fitness . I rarely run in boost and reserve that for gnarly climbs of steep chutes
hey im thinking about buying this bike, thank you for the video.One Question to you, was easy to ride without engine? How does the bike feel when you turn the engine off? thanks :)
Something of interest is that Orbea is part of the world most successful Cooperative - Mondragon Corporation. May be worth doing a factory tour, wholly owned by the workforce. All started by the local priest
Having the extender on pretty much puts it into "normal e-bike" category. Frankly, I personally would prefer an extender to a "normal e-bike"... unfortunately none of the brands I would generally consider offer one currently. Nice bike, and interesting test, but I think I rather have a non-e-bike and an e-bike, rather than any of the "SL" and "light" e-bikes. Just my 2c, I am not saying it is not a valid product, just probably not really for me.
So I’m looking to commute downs the canal 16 miles there 16 back probably Gona chip it to . I’m 220 lbs 100kg I ride a normal bike at about 12 -14 mph now due too lack of fitness and a dodgey heart valve this would be far to slow to come home as I finish work at 6 and have a young son I want to see before he goes to bed ,Couple of lads at work got specialzeds one a vado sl the other a Levo turbo . I like how the app can dial back the percentage In very small Increments . What I’d really like is something with 4” travel front and back with 60 n of y torque and a 5-600 watt hour battery . I did consider a gravel bike but it would rattle me to death plus my backs not the greatest. What would be your Recommendations ? That 220lb weight I’m hoping to drop to about 180 ish .
The best thing about this channel is Robs relentless positive energy! Makes me want to get out there and explore!! Keep up the amazing work Rob- Inspiring us all
Please please pretty please, always give us "real" units and freedom units at the same time, like "850m/2800ft". Would make the message of the video so much easier to digest rather than having to switch between youtube and unit converter all the time (at least for those like myself who aren't used to thinking in inches/yards/feet/miles/bald eagles per big macs, etc.) 👍
I live in the US and I still would like it if he gave both units
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Or stones, bricks etc 😂
‘freedom units’ 🤣
Don't blame us Yanks, blame France... For being French
most anticipated vidéo, EVER !, been reloading your video's page about 10 times per day since the previous Orbea vidéo !
Great video Rob. Honest and relevant comments throughout which is very informative
I recently took delivery of my - Orbea Rise M20 2021 - Coal Blue / Red Gold and really like it .
I previously had a Canyon Spectral On which was really good but I found it too heavy and it was too easy to just plough through trails like a monster truck. Going down hill at over 40 mph over rough terrain was exhilarating but not my typical type of ride experience
I do nearly all of my riding in eco or trail mode. I also switch off the motors and run sections unaided to keep my fitness level consistent - 61 now and have been riding MTBs since I was in my early 20s and still ride my Whyte 901 too
The Rise is fitted with Shimano SC-EM800 Display and that allows me to see at a glance speed , range etc
I took the bike to Swinley Forrest the other day and it handled the trails there brilliantly. I really like the way the bike feels and it inspires you to do more. My previous bikes have included Orange 5 and Whyte T130 so the Rise is quite similar in terms of trail capabilities
Will consider upgrading to bigger disc on the front at some point and possibly swapping out the brake pistons for 4 pot but they seem fine so far.
Having spent many hours reviewing and considering lots of bikes I reckon Orbea have really produced something very exceptional and it will serve me well going forwards . At 61 I still want to do 3 or 4 hour rides and your review confirms that is more than doable
Ps - we met briefly at the eBike centre and you kindly offered to let me try out your first Levo . Great to see your subscribers and popularity growing
Hi Derek,
This is a long shot, but were you riding at Queen Elizabeth Country Park today with your Orbea Rise? 23 Nov 2021
@@willemhorak1 hi - sadly not ! Unable to ride since early October due to operation . But I did take it to QE in September - I did some bits of Rogate Downhill and then did the Red run at QE .
Great work Rob!. I've been riding my new Rise for about a month now, and I'm really impressed by the range and efficiency as well. I've not run it through a full charge in a single ride yet, but I have done a wide variety of rides from rolling XC to park-style loops with a lot of vertical in a short distance, and I've done rides fully in Eco, fully in Trail, fully in Boost, and a mix. On every ride that I have checked, if I extrapolate based on my actual elevation gain, distance, and battery % used, it fully matches what Orbea claim in their marketing (website) and in the Blue Paper (owners book). Deeply impressed, both by the bike, and by the honestly of Orbea's claims on the range. I've not seen any need to even contemplate the range extender yet; for various reasons, I don't have time for rides that would be long enough to require it!
Not interested in the bike by any means but still watch the video’s because they are just beautifully made and fun to watch!! Great job dude👊🏻
65 kim's on my M10 doing undulating cross country track, most of it on trail, a bit of boost on pinch climbs and then 1/2 an hour in principally eco mode when range anxiety started to kick in. 100 + kg rider, turned EMTB support up a notice, maxed out the torque on Boost mode. Very happy with the power and range so far....typically getting 35-40 km's riding up and down jump lines.
Hi, would you recommend it after 2 years of use or 540 battery is better choice?
One of if not the best MTB tube channel as far as quality of film and editing: truly amazing, especially thinking that there is not a full troupe of film professionals behind! I'm very impressed by your skills as mtbiker and film director! never stop please, but think about scaling up your talent in a larger scope venture! congrats!
Thanks Rob. Been anticipating your review on this one. Appropriated mate from your Austrian viewers!
Ooh I’ve been waiting for this vid, opening the popcorn 🍿 now!
Thanks, Rob, again, useful and informative. I'm certainly finding the internal battery to be sufficient - 26 miles/3500ft off-road and 10% battery remaining is typical. Might still opt for the Extender for those BIG days out... I tend to use lower settings and Boost is only 55NM, Trail 45 or so, Eco 35 or so in Profile 2 and Eco and Trail set lower for Profile 1.
Perfect review, exactly what I wanted to know. So, thanks for highlighting the bike and thanks for the perfect info! Off to the shops :-)
Another great video Rob. Really useful to see just how far you can go on one of these 'small' eMTBs. Orbea really have nailed it with the Rise. Yet to do a range test on my Marin Alpine Trail E1 but its on my list of vids to make - so far though, with its 504Wh battery and 24kg weight, I have to say the range isn't massively dissimilar to some of the numbers you mention in your vid. Lots of myths to be de-bunked for new eMTB riders so great to see a real world test - nice one.
Great video Rob. By way of contrast my 2021 Whyte E-160 S has 1300 miles under its belt, I weigh 12st dead and last week on a mild day I rode 20.8 miles of Surrey Hills trails in the new Trail + mode with an indicated 27 miles remaining. This was a pretty pain-free experience and I’d say it’s a massive improvement over the old Trail mode.
Beautiful and well documented video, as always. Real talent here.
Congratulations and thank you Rob!
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Good information and a well produced video that’s enjoyable to watch.
Thanks Rob!
Always impressive seeing ebikes rocket past me on the trails when i'm already flying along with just my two legs
I too am amazed when a motorized automobile passes me and my horse drawn carriage
41.3 km and 2800 ft, or 850 meters. Today I rode my Rise M20 on similar, though generally a little rougher terrain. Burned through one-third of the battery and covered 16.6 km and 619 meters elevation gain. I weight less -- 55 kg -- but am older --67 -- and likely less fit. On an earlier ride of the same general area, I burned half the battery and got 20 km and 750 meters. So it looks like we're getting similar distance but my lighter weight is giving me considerably more elevation. Cheers Rob.
Hey Rob! I just found your channel as I'm getting the bug for an E-bike once again. I must say that I really appreciate your attention to detail with your filming and editing. Great shots and great energy. Very well put together!
Some stats from Garmin, from my rides - only internal battery (still waiting for range extender :/)
Distance [km] / Elevation[m] / Average speed [km/h] / Battery level left [%] / ride mode [eco,trail,boost]
47km / 1590m / 25% / 15.3km/h / eco,trail
52km / 1880m / 15% / 14.6km/h / eco,trail
43km / 1600m / 5% / 13.7km/h / eco,trail
30km / 1020m / 37% 16.8km/h / trail
24km / 800m / 35% / 19.3km/h / trail,boost
25km / 800m / 44% / 19.3km/h / trail,boost
49km / 2020m / 23% / 13.5km/h / eco,trail
60km / 1720m / 25% / 15.6km/h / eco,trail
58km / 2200m / 0% / 13.6km/h / eco,trail
@@ilidiofaria I'm not lightweight - about 78kg. Actually, it should be about 2100m with a distance about 51 km because the battery died before the end of the trip.
I ran a similar test on my rocky mountain altitude powerplay. Using Trail mode set at 60% and ludicrous mode set at 100% the 632 wh battery delivered 76 km with 4% left on the battery this compares favourably with your test. Granted I have to carry the full weight of the bike whenever I use it so I don’t benefit from the weight saving of the bike tested here but I also have the advantage of up to 108 NM of torque whenever required.
I just got an H15 with the 540 wh battery and i could ride it 3 times without a recharge and still had 40% of the battery left.
Day 1 i rode 28 kms on a flat route with no elevation and on Eco mode; Day 2 just 11 kms but Climbed the same hill a few times and was riding with a group of full powered dudes and had to use the Boost mode all the time to keep up with them. Day 3 rode 26 kms mostly on trail mode.
So a total of 65 kms and still had 40% left, this bike is great!
Forgot to say that since day one i have used te bike on profile 2 that delivers more power
Any thoughts on the Rise H? Does the larger battery and aluminium frame make a big difference in handling, character, and usage possibilities?
another fantastic review, informative , well filmed and edited ! well done 👍🏻
I've also boosted the eco and trail modes and can easily do 1500m over 40-50km of riding using trail for everything uphill and eco for the rest. Great bike and more than enough range
What average speed do you have after such a ride?
great vid!
just one small request, when showing range and elevation please add in both km/mile and ft/meters it will be much more clear :)
Interested to try the changes you made to the assist settings. I love mine but for normal weekend rides it's so efficient I can usually get away with using boost everywhere - 40km and over 800m elevation is possible on just the internal battery for me like this.
Also, the state of your hands looks like a good advert for mtb glove companies!
when it comes to Ebike range. there are just so many factors. im always shocked when i hear ppl with 500-800whr battery packs only getting 30-50kms of range. i suspect that people think they are more fit then they actually are.
my 880whr pack nets me on average 150km of range. however i have gone as low as 70kms on 1 charge, but i also did 310km's on a charge once.
the two biggest factors i would say are elevation gain / weight on that trip, and power mode. when i got only 70km's i was using around 500w with bursts of full power at 1,500w. while when i did the 310km ride i hardly ever used more then 150w
Rob, when do you think some standard will be made where motors can be swapped out for old ones? The thing putting me off an ebike is that in 3-4 years when I want to upgrade to a new motor or my old one breaks, the mounting standards have changed and I’m stuck with buying old new stock or second hand motors.
Very good video Rob, just what you want to see.
Really appreciate the videos and the amount of time you put into all the different drone shots with FPV. The only critique I would have visually would be to color correct, at a minimum white balance, between drone as FPV. Love your channel, and the how genuine you are! Please keep making more visual content. I have a Orbea Wild FS coming, and excited to explore!
Cannot decide between this and the Rail as a first ebike, Rob. Currently riding a YT Jeffsy, I don't know whether to go full fat and have the best of both with the Rail/Jeffsy combo, or take this as a more familiar/lightweight ride with the added umph from the motor. I'd love your thoughts if you'd be willing. Cheers, love the channel.
Good video mate, that drone is a beast
My longest ride was 38 miles 2300ft of climbing before it died a mile from my van . I’m well impressed, my range extender has just arrived so a great backup on those longer rides👍
Wow ,how much do you weigh?
@@ianmangham4570 64kg
So you have tested both Levo SL and Orbea Rise M10.. have you got a comparison for these 2? Pros and cons? What do u like best and least about them? Seems like Levo SL got lot more range than Rise M10? From most reviews I can see that Levo SL is more planted profile and Rise is poppy profile? And lastly, I have been riding my Levo SL with power off lots of time without problems and I am relatively fit. Will that be possible to do same with the Rise M10 you think? Will it harm the Shimano battery riding with power off??
they should fill those bikes up completely with batteries, why stop with bottom tube? top tube, seat tube, chainstays, seatsatays, handlebars, stuff them all full of batteries, so what if its gonna weigh 30kg, my car weighs 1.5 ton but its got a motor to pull it along so it feels like a feather to me, just push on the pedal and go, and the further you can go the more useful it is, the less you have to keep charging it
This is brilliant review / lovely shots including the one in the late afternoon sun setting down with colorful foliage panorama. But - where the heck is this magnificent trial you're riding so joyfully? I am getting my M10 this Friday as the price is right for 2022 iterations now.
Hi, Rob - Love the Rise. Can you share what make/model glasses you’re wearing in the video?
Hey Rob big thanks to your video in skye and rassay and torridon. I hooked up.with Chris from.H &I adventures and he took us to Applecross then onto torridon then rassay. Thanks to your video made me aware of the company. We rode the 50km loop.at torridon and was out of this world. By far the hardest challenge I've had on a emtb. climbing and decending. Thanks .there starting e bike tours in Scotland next year if you can help mention to the e bike community would be much appreciated help them kick this off 👍 Callum
Really cool video Rob. Looks like you´re enjoying the RISE. I love mine. It´s a pretty tough assist you used there if I understood, profile 2 with max torque which must be pretty close to profile 1 Boost? I´m your weight and use profile 1, generaly starting in ECO to warm up and then mixing up ECO and TRAIL depending on the trail. I find that I get between 1500 and 1700m of climbing, here distance is irrelevant as it´s steep both up and down!
I got the impression that you are like me though, enjoying how the bike handles more than anything else. It´s just like a good trail bike on the way down!
now that it's dead, can i have it ?
Price aside, if comparing on the same spec, eg shimano xt build. Which would you recommend/prefer, Levo sl or Rise? or others like Forestal Siryon? As always, great video!
decent... I've got a canyon Neuron:ON 8 and covered over 1050 miles since March... i live in one of the highest places in England and each ride is typically around 30 miles, and about 20 miles now is in eco mode (EP8 motor) and trail mode to get me back up the hill... and normally have 2-3 bars left on the battery...and this is around 2000ft elevation too..
and my cadence is also around 85-90rpm, and the chain hasn't began to stretch yet as i measure it after each ride....
and I've only used boost mode a few times... the terrain i ride on is fields, woods, bridleways and fireroads, and a few bits of normal roads inbetween...
road an specialized levo in the parking lot once and it was the coolest thing i have tried sense a i tried a fuel suspension
Thanks for the effort and the very likeable video. In my opinion range can only be judged from the outside if you compare it to the ride on a bio bike. So if you got 42km with 2800m of elevation. How far would you come without the motor/battery? Half of it? So does the bike doubles your range?
I tried the bike thinking the 60nm motor would be a big advantage over the Specialized SL motor and although it did give a bit more assist on the steepest bits and I'm 95kgs, I was surprised I preferred the feeling of the SL motor and the way it delivers the power and the lack of drag after 16mph. I thought it would be a good comprise to ride with full fat ebikes but it wasn't. I was not blown away with the bike either. I did fall off it which may have jaundiced my opinion a bit.
Another epic review. Thanks
Excellent explanation of what the Rise is capable of. It's been 3 months since I got my Rise M20 and there are no words to describe these first 1500kms already done. Next step is to make it 160mm 160mm and ride it as much as I can. Its the perfect blend between a powerfull ebike and a regular all-mountain mtb.
@@ilidiofaria Sou da zona de Mafra/Sintra algures aqui no meio. Eu como tenho 3 bikes distribuo o mal pelas "aldeias"
@@ilidiofaria where are you from? I am from Lisbon and next month I will get my M20.
Carlos, whats the weight of your M20? Is is standard or costumised? Whats the travel of the seat post? Is it OC2 Droper? Thanks
@@joseazurara3245 I live next to Lisbon too. My M20 with the factory settings coal blue paintjob weighs 18.30kg the oc dropper post was 150mm, the size is M. Right now I have replaced the dropper post by a bew fox transfer kashima 150mm and the weight dropped a bit (not noticeable.) what will impact a lot on the bike will be for sure the maxxis DHR 2.4 exo max terra I'm about to place on the rear wheel as it will weight extra 250grs. Compared with the Rekon it had. Battery life will be for sure lower but I'm not sure how much lower will be. PS: I Didn't replace the OC dropper post because it was bad, I replaced it because the fox looks nicer and because i had another bike where I wanted to fit the OC dropper in.
@@CarlosAntunesMTB the best way to have more batt range and a more agile bike is to save weight in the Rim. A Rim 150g lihgter is less 300g in the bike and more inportant less rotation weight. But it depend of you weight, riding stile. But you have good carbon rims to handle everything.
Those drone shots are CRAZY!!! Whatever drone you are using, it’s worth every dollar….ummm every pound.
Nice review, what was your moving time and average power during ride?
Nice videos rob thanks, what’s your thoughts compared with this and the SL
I can confirm my h15 rise with my 90kgs of meat and gear on it will make 2000m up on the internal 540wh battery, 2200m if I really push myself /too hard/. That is really impressive.
I stress I ride mainly in eco and only super tech/steep sections will be tackled in trail/boost. I think it rides closest to analog bike you can get.
Rear hub died 200kms in.
Great review, super impressed with my RISE and its range. Do you know if you can remove the internal battery and just run on the range extender like you did with the specialized levo SL.You could have an even lighter bike and more centrally placed battery weight
I have a 700watt hour battery Levo, but frankly that looks just as good and properly light. A very very good option, especially here in the Lake District where sometimes you do have to carry the bike.
the levo is 2x as powerful and rides just as far , depends what your goal is
@@CarkeekW Agreed on both points, but it is heavier over a gate. However I have just had the new 2021 motor put in my 2020 model bike as the old motor failed, the old motor was good, the new tune is fantastic + is noticeably more efficient on my test route. BTW if you haven't put the new Charge 2.1 damper in your forks, assuming you have the Lyrik, its amazing.
Cracking video Rob! Good work.
Was wondering how you blend your Go Pro and drone footage so seemlessly, are you shooting flat and grading/using a LUT? My footage looks crap next to yours 😂
Extender 800hm with eco n trail. Internal 1000hm. 40km ca. At 95 kg eco and trail mix. Superb
Great video rob 👌
Cool yeah fresh out of the box, but how's that battery holding up 4 years down the line? Still available? Such a sketchy market.
im curious if you do all flat country trail riding how long will it last ?
Brilliant vlog buddy, would love the orbea rise but a bit out of my price range! These ebikes ain't getting any cheaper.
My last ride was 17 miles- 3K climbing, using 60% battery in Profile 1 with eco and trail +1 from default
TY for this still trying to decide on which EMTB to buy
As usual great video composition and content Rob! How do you find the handling and ride characteristics when using the range extender?
Amazing video man! Really appreciate your work, great quality.
Very informative video! And great footage also! Seriously looking at purchasing one.
What’s it like riding once the battery has died?
I wonder what you would get with the 540 wh batter and then the range extender? I have the new Obrea Rise M20 with 360wh and was trying to find the 540 but none to be found by me. But I think with the Range extender and the 360wh, I would run out of gas before the 540 battery. LOL
Why do you mix metric and imperial units? Kilometer in the distance and feet in the elevation. I suggest stick to a single unit system for all the data.
Hi Rob,
As there is no wheight gain compared to the basic Shimano motor which has 80 NM of torque, can you explain why Orbea decided not letting the choice to tune the power according to user needs? Looks stupid to me.
I believe it is to do with the draw from the battery, not actually the ability of the motor to be used at full power. I'm not an electrical specialist so can't explain the reasons on a technical level. I don't believe you need anything more than the 60Nm and I have hardly used it in that mode, having Boost set at 55NM, Trail at about 45 and Eco at about 35 in Profile 2, with lower settings from Trail and Eco in Profile 1.
@@tonybrookes Tony, I live in South Alps and we often have to cope with very long, steep and technical climbs. 60 NM is definitively not enough in those circumstances.
@@smeyerse it definitely is :-) We live in the Pyrenees and it´s typically steeper on the climbs, plus I´m heavy, and it´s more than enough.
@@basqueMTB OK so Brose, Shimano and Bosch manufacturers are all dum keeping on producing 85/90 NM motors...
@@smeyerse :-) Nope. Same as I love that a Lamborghini has a 6l v12 but in my Lotus Elise I don’t need it!
What I mean is that the Rise in turbo mode climbs steep stuff effortlessly. With 60nm. Why? Because it’s lighter. And because you pedal it too. A full power ebike is much heavier and the motor works in a different cadence band. Plus it is a different experience.
That’s my opinion. But what is fact is that the Rise doesn’t struggle on steep climbs with 60nm. With my guiding pack I’m 95kg. And the Basques tend to build trails steep!
Those numbers are astounding.
Great video cheers Rob 🙏🤝👍
That skydio drone is so accurate, wheres our Jon bike pilot?
Can I just ask when doing these reviews do you actually look into the back up from these companies?
As the bike might be great but dropping 5k plus on a bike with no back up then that’s rubbish.
I only ask this as if it’s a custom shimano motor if there’s an issue with either the battery or motor does it still get returned to Madison (uk) for warranty or do you have to deal with orbea?
If it’s orbea then good luck as if you have bought it online from them direct because you don’t have a orbea dealer local then they should pre warn people any issues you need to take it to a orbea dealer as they won’t deal with you direct.
Too right mate ..totally agree with you
Nice video, great work thank-you. I wonder if you could share what type of drone you use. Thanks again
Having nothing but trouble with my range extender. First the bike wouldn't recognise it so I sent it back. Replacement extender was the same. Back and forth with Tredz/orbea for weeks and then it suddenly worked. Then while riding and the extender was depleted the bike wouldn't stay on unless I disconnected the extender. Now the bike has started not recognising it again 😡
I wonder how much difference the 25kphupper limit for UK bikes compares to 32 that we have in NZ... must have an effect eh?
If you live near the mountains like I do, internal battery would not even give you a one ride, sad.
Baby maker bar twist 🔥
I saw in a FB post that Rise don't work if we put the extender with the main at 0 whats. But as you show us it is not true thanks.
That looks like a great route Rob! Any chance you can share this?
hi what size Orbea were you riding? im thinking of getting the new rise h30 but trying to decide what size to get. I currently ride a large YT Capra and im around 5ft10-11, long arms and legs. im swaying more towards the large as all bikes I've rode have been large and never rode an e-bike before. cheers.
It would be nice to see how far it could be tiden on a flat battery from the start.
It's the limiting range that still puts me off getting an e bike.
This bike is al about lighweight, and thus, little range.
Several bikes has over 700wh of battery, you need to work hard to run a battey like that down.
Coummuting, my 630wh battery gave me over 120km range.
Some brands run an internal belt, and has just about no resistance pedaling with the bike turned off.
This is a suuuper popular bike this summer
Hey rob, nice review! Im looking for a second bike. I got already a bike with bosch gen4. But im looking into a light emtb, do you have an recommendation for me? Levo sl comp carbon or orbea rise? I prefer the levo, but i dont know if it fits my suits, because im not so trained. So are the 35nm of the levo enough? Thanks!
I've had my levo sl for a year now and it's been great but I wish it had 60 nm of torque, that's the only thing I would change
@@jimbo4203 can you explain in detail why 60nm?
@@wannebiz im 6 foot 3 inch 220 lbs , i need power! My sister and brother in law have the regular levos. So i ride them too, we switch back and forth ,i can keep up with them no problem but on bigger hills i have to pedal more , get left bringing up the rear. But once up the hill i catch right back up so its fun
@@wannebiz when i bought this bike all others in my size were sold out , so glad i got it , i ride it all over the neighborhood and any trail i can find . But now after having this for 1300 mi if i bought another i would get the levo
It would have been useful to see how much distance/elevation you could get out of this bike in eco - but regardless, this is pretty impressive.
trust me you don’t want eco mode… if feels like it’s stopping you 😅
ECO mode is great. It only feels slow if you are used to Boost. I normally start out in ECO and then switch to a mix of ECO and TRAIL when I´m warmed up. At 90kg I get betwen 1500 and 1700m of climbing. Distance isn't relevant here as it´s mostly up or down and generally steep. I pretty much never use boost, apart from short, very rough sections. THat´s internal battery.
@@tone351998 I have a 2019 Canyon Spectral ON and 90% I ride in eco.
@@basqueMTB that’s impressive !
amazing answers but I like my bike tuned… in sport mode…trust me…THIS IS THE WAY
Nice rob.. Thx. Ride on 🙏
Great video! But we we just choose stop w the km stuff? It’s miles. And feet. 😅
Are you in the EU, KH thought this was the UK . Still not bad for 10,000 bike lol
What’s it like to ride without the motor on and no battery or flat battery, and how much is the range extender ?
I own the Orbea Gain (road e-bike) and I love Orbea's approach to e-bikes and assist. I really want the Rise.
My one question is how does the bike handle with a dead battery. Does it feel like a normal bike? My only experience is hub motor style systems.
I have the M20 and I ride on the road to my local trails with the motor turned off. While the bikes feels slightly “heavy” I find it pedals just fine. The motor assist cuts out around 15 mph and I can keep the speed around 17mph so I’m not getting any assist anyway. It’s definitely slightly sluggish compared to my non electric Giant Trance but its nice to know if your battery dies and you’re away from home you’ll make it back.
So I have had a Whyte T130 and Orange 5 . Riding my Rise uphill with no assistance is like riding a downhill bike - it’s doable but tough . . It is absolutely fine on the flat and downhill . I keep my motor off at times just to keep my heart rate up and ensure I don’t lose my core fitness . I rarely run in boost and reserve that for gnarly climbs of steep chutes
excellent top quailty review
Those trails look familiar 🤙🏻🔋⚡️
hey im thinking about buying this bike, thank you for the video.One Question to you, was easy to ride without engine? How does the bike feel when you turn the engine off? thanks :)
Something of interest is that Orbea is part of the world most successful Cooperative - Mondragon Corporation. May be worth doing a factory tour, wholly owned by the workforce. All started by the local priest
I can’t believe your not wearing gloves on your the trails you ride?
My steel enduro Marino hard tail weights over 17kg 🤣
Looking to buy a used orbea m20 2021. Is it still relevant or outdated? Theyre asking 4250.
Having the extender on pretty much puts it into "normal e-bike" category. Frankly, I personally would prefer an extender to a "normal e-bike"... unfortunately none of the brands I would generally consider offer one currently.
Nice bike, and interesting test, but I think I rather have a non-e-bike and an e-bike, rather than any of the "SL" and "light" e-bikes.
Just my 2c, I am not saying it is not a valid product, just probably not really for me.
Sorry if I’m repeating a comment. What model is this. M10 or team?
So I’m looking to commute downs the canal 16 miles there 16 back probably Gona chip it to . I’m 220 lbs 100kg I ride a normal bike at about 12 -14 mph now due too lack of fitness and a dodgey heart valve this would be far to slow to come home as I finish work at 6 and have a young son I want to see before he goes to bed ,Couple of lads at work got specialzeds one a vado sl the other a Levo turbo . I like how the app can dial back the percentage In very small Increments .
What I’d really like is something with 4” travel front and back with 60 n of y torque and a 5-600 watt hour battery . I did consider a gravel bike but it would rattle me to death plus my backs not the greatest. What would be your Recommendations ? That 220lb weight I’m hoping to drop to about 180 ish .
Great reviews and great filming. But can you please stick to metric units. Really confusing.