3:20 The Hazard Area signs were the first Red Zone Prohibition Areas (no trackside activities, walking or working, while trains are running) decades before Project RIMINI. They were erected after a BR manager took a small group of novices on the track, and they got caught between trains, and had to lie down in the sixfoot. At the investigation, he claimed there was no rule to prevent him walking from Liverpool Street to Hackney Downs, so BR duly wrote one which covered Liverpool Street to Bethnal Green. Nice video of days before the East London Line was converted and the Elizabeth Line (Crossrail) now runs. Like the 305s, 307s, 309s, 310s and 312s. Even the 313 to the Graham Road Curve is fairly rare (is it just me, that reckons they should never have demolished Broad Street ? I even liked the 501s and later the 416s from North Woolwich, although us old farts remember the North London Line before electrification with 105s). There are some variety today 710s, 720s, 745s ! But I remember Class 47s on the Norwich and Kings Lynn expresses and Class 37s on the Day Continental and Hook Continental to Harwich Parkeston Quay (Harwich Intertnational, if you must).
I always like the "hand held" style of your videos. Following the trains, focusing on the numbers. It's so much more exciting to watch than a succession of static tripod shots.
Thank you... luckily the camera i had was quite large (it took full sized E180 VHS tapes) and sat on my shoulder with a fair degree of stability. I always found it easier to pan round smoother, and quicker, than with a tripod.....
I would of loved to go to 1989 and see the Clacton units the 312s 307s 305s The new 321s and 315s To think this is 34 years ago it beats todays traction!
310 were my least favourite. I have driven them all. Great on distance trips in dry weather. On locals (which they were never designed for) in bad weather you had to chuck the timetable out of the window. Example minus 4 degrees c leaving tilbury on the down get maximum of 40 mph due to poor traction. Approaching East Tilbury coast and get the brakes on at 35 mph 1.5 miles from station and slide in. hitting the ramp at about 5 mph and just stopping short of the crossing. This would cause the bum to do 50p a pound. Many drivers would refuse to turn up for work in these conditions especially if they'd had previous incidents. I can not blame them.
I'm sure their axle drum brakes didn't help things any.....I always found the older 302s to brake so much better, and of course the freight locos i drove later had very few problems with braking.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I signed 310 312 308 302 305 317 313 365 321 over the years. 310 and 312 were disk brake ep and auto, with load weighing valves and diaphragm triple valves. The 310 was a pigs ear from day 1. They were originally manufactured to do 90 but were restricted to 75 because of derailment caused by poor bogie design. Unconverted 302' and 308's had the best braking, because they had cast iron blocks. You could hit a 12 car ramp at 60 and stop at the end in the dry easily.
hi there. great video, a great station to view trains, love the 307s remind me of the 302s,why did the clowns have to scrap all these trains,these modern trains just do not look the part.thank goodness i was born in the early 50s and was able to travel in decent trains without sliding doors and annoying announcements,again due to clown activity Liverpool St station has been ruined from what it was.
That’s because they’ve done something to the track since the early 2000s that they call an improvement and most of the trains go past now with a horrible whining sound and you can hardly tell what carriage the traction motors are under unless the train is starting off from pausing, would love to undo everything they’ve done over last 30 years and go back to our once nostalgic nationalised Railway much more fun back then.
Can't speak for the dusty's 321. We got the last of the 305's on the LTS around 91-92 shortly after 310's probably 93. WA still ran a Sandite unit 305 after that. We would still run into Liverpool street at night until the 2000's, so they could be seen.
Around 1992-3 we had just about every variety upto Hertford east in a space of 3 years except the 307s and 309s the 321s only lasted about a year or two on the Cambridge line before the 317s came over.
There wasn’t even any class 90’s or 86’s on the Norwich ic route back then only Clacton express stansted airport station didn’t exist back then either 😭
The 86s were on the Norwich trains by this time, they were running through to Norwich in May 1987..... The 90s had worked some Norwich turns when new on breaking in runs but it was the early 2000s when they finished on the West Coast that the first 15 came across to replace the 86s.....
Wow. What a different world it is now if you went there today. 321s being the only unit left from this era and time is short for them anyway 😔
We need to invent a time machine mate!
@@pauldevenish we do Paul. Never take anything for granted because it seems to go so quickly.
321s; unfortunately, all gone from this route now my friend.
Proper trains
5:35 The sound of the brake is satisfying
another excellent video!
3:20 The Hazard Area signs were the first Red Zone Prohibition Areas (no trackside activities, walking or working, while trains are running) decades before Project RIMINI. They were erected after a BR manager took a small group of novices on the track, and they got caught between trains, and had to lie down in the sixfoot. At the investigation, he claimed there was no rule to prevent him walking from Liverpool Street to Hackney Downs, so BR duly wrote one which covered Liverpool Street to Bethnal Green.
Nice video of days before the East London Line was converted and the Elizabeth Line (Crossrail) now runs. Like the 305s, 307s, 309s, 310s and 312s.
Even the 313 to the Graham Road Curve is fairly rare (is it just me, that reckons they should never have demolished Broad Street ? I even liked the 501s and later the 416s from North Woolwich, although us old farts remember the North London Line before electrification with 105s).
There are some variety today 710s, 720s, 745s !
But I remember Class 47s on the Norwich and Kings Lynn expresses and Class 37s on the Day Continental and Hook Continental to Harwich Parkeston Quay (Harwich Intertnational, if you must).
The Class 313, Class 315, Class 317 and Class 321 are the ones I have been on since I was a child. I don’t remember much about the slam door trains.
And soon those classes you do remember will all be razor blades......
I always like the "hand held" style of your videos. Following the trains, focusing on the numbers. It's so much more exciting to watch than a succession of static tripod shots.
Thank you... luckily the camera i had was quite large (it took full sized E180 VHS tapes) and sat on my shoulder with a fair degree of stability. I always found it easier to pan round smoother, and quicker, than with a tripod.....
Great upload, thanks.
My pleasure......
I would of loved to go to 1989 and see the Clacton units the 312s 307s 305s The new 321s and 315s To think this is 34 years ago it beats todays traction!
Good stuff 👍👍👍
the good old days now all in the dark
May have forgot to add 321 to title oh well it’s a lil mistake
Proper slam door stock,cl310 emus especially..
310 were my least favourite. I have driven them all.
Great on distance trips in dry weather. On locals (which they were never designed for) in bad weather you had to chuck the timetable out of the window.
Example minus 4 degrees c leaving tilbury on the down get maximum of 40 mph due to poor traction.
Approaching East Tilbury coast and get the brakes on at 35 mph 1.5 miles from station and slide in. hitting the ramp at about 5 mph and just stopping short of the crossing. This would cause the bum to do 50p a pound.
Many drivers would refuse to turn up for work in these conditions especially if they'd had previous incidents.
I can not blame them.
@@andrewfrancis3591 Very interesting overview Sir!👍🏽☺️
I'm sure their axle drum brakes didn't help things any.....I always found the older 302s to brake so much better, and of course the freight locos i drove later had very few problems with braking.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I signed 310 312 308 302 305 317 313 365 321 over the years.
310 and 312 were disk brake ep and auto, with load weighing valves and diaphragm triple valves.
The 310 was a pigs ear from day 1. They were originally manufactured to do 90 but were restricted to 75 because of derailment caused by poor bogie design.
Unconverted 302' and 308's had the best braking, because they had cast iron blocks.
You could hit a 12 car ramp at 60 and stop at the end in the dry easily.
amazing variety! and not much in the way of high-rise buildings in the city backdrop.
Yes, plenty of variety of traction on the railways back then.....
Nice
hi there. great video, a great station to view trains, love the 307s remind me of the 302s,why did the clowns have to scrap all these trains,these modern trains just do not look the part.thank goodness i was born in the early 50s and was able to travel in decent trains without sliding doors and annoying announcements,again due to clown activity Liverpool St station has been ruined from what it was.
3:16 It’s almost like you hear the individual motors on that class 321
That’s because they’ve done something to the track since the early 2000s that they call an improvement and most of the trains go past now with a horrible whining sound and you can hardly tell what carriage the traction motors are under unless the train is starting off from pausing, would love to undo everything they’ve done over last 30 years and go back to our once nostalgic nationalised Railway much more fun back then.
Another salutary reminder what a dump most stations were back in the day
Anyone know when 305's, 310's 321's actually ceased operating on the West Anglia main line?
Can't speak for the dusty's 321. We got the last of the 305's on the LTS around 91-92 shortly after 310's probably 93. WA still ran a Sandite unit 305 after that. We would still run into Liverpool street at night until the 2000's, so they could be seen.
Around 1992-3 we had just about every variety upto Hertford east in a space of 3 years except the 307s and 309s the 321s only lasted about a year or two on the Cambridge line before the 317s came over.
What would of the class 321s been working if they came from the WAML direction?
The newly electrified service to Cambridge.....
There wasn’t even any class 90’s or 86’s on the Norwich ic route back then only Clacton express stansted airport station didn’t exist back then either 😭
The 86s were on the Norwich trains by this time, they were running through to Norwich in May 1987..... The 90s had worked some Norwich turns when new on breaking in runs but it was the early 2000s when they finished on the West Coast that the first 15 came across to replace the 86s.....
ahh the good old days when i was innocent still haha
And class 321
Is it alright to add this to a couple of Facebook groups I'm on, about Network Southeast?
Yes, please feel free... I'm sure some of my viewers are already on your group, i'm pretty sure Scotty from Potters Bar is.....
All of these trains are now taken out of service, harrowing.