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Should be. Both the 196cc and 212cc engines are clones of the Honda GX-series engines. The TAV kits are knock-offs of the Comet Torque-A-Verter. YMMV, but the install procedure "should" be similar.
This is a great step by step how to video minus the the part where you forgot to put the belt on at the end of the video but I'll try to remember to put the belt on before the pulley cover some time lol. I just got the Torque Converter and Riser Plate in the mail today so I'm getting ready to do this install. I just wish I could see how to remove the mini bike clutch that is on there now and install the riser plate that I will have to do before I start putting the Torque Converter on. Also not sure how to make the new chain the proper size but I'll have to figure it out on my own I guess. Basically I have a 196cc Mini Bike and I'm replacing the stock clutch with this new Torque Converter so i must figure out how to get everything off first before I put new stuff on. If I gotta put this Riser Plate in that means I have to take the whole Engine out which sounds like a lot of work but hopefully it goes smoother than I'm thinking it will go.
Re-sizing the chain is easy. But you WILL need a chain-breaker tool for your chain size. Trying to drive out a pin with a hammer & punch not only sux, but usually just mangles the chain.
Great video, no blaring music, no segments of you playing with dogs, etc, Just thoughtful instructions. Too bad other videos don't take yours as an example.
I don’t understand why this video has any dislikes. This guy is giving people decades of his earned knowledge in 27 minutes for free. I’m mainly watching this because I’m on my machine at work and bored (steel mill roll shop maintenance) and wanted to see if I could learn something I didn’t already know. I can tell you this guy knows what he’s talking about and is giving us way more information than the bare minimum that is needed to install this torque converter. A lot of what he is saying can be used for many different things.
THANKS! When I first started making videos for The SMOG Project, I never thought anyone other than my friends would watch them. But with this video, I decided to try to show ALL of the steps that the other videos skip over. It was sort of an experiment because I also write step-by-step guides at work. Sometime around last Christmas, this video started to take off. Which blows me away, because it really isn't a very good video. But I'm happy that a few thousand people were able to take something away from it, good or bad. I hope that everyone enjoys it, and that it helps with everyone's projects.
The company you work for should give you a RAISE if you're doing step by step guides, been there & done that & even butted heads with engineers & tech publications about how crappy theirs were LOL @@doktorscottdiabolical
Being an A&P license holder I truly enjoyed hearing about the special BeLL Helicopter 🚁 spanner wrench from your dad. Those are special moments and aviation is rich with heritage and history. 👏🏼 😊
This is my first time working on an engine and i was stressing how i couldnt find a good video that actually explains it and i found this it shows u step by step and even shows u how to fix a mistake that i bet a lot of people do
The bob Ross of minibike engine work! Haha love it. Watching you reminds me of watching my grandfather teach me how to do things. It’s the small details in his words. Just like you! Great work
Thank you, me and a friend are going to change the one on my kart now. I've had it sitting in the garage forever and been intimidated by it but this video made me much more comfortable.
Litterally the best video covering the install of these torque converters! Purchased a kit from a large seller of these and their instruction video left me with a lot of questions and extra parts. Thanks for the help!
17:21 a better way to hold the engine while torquing the clutch bolt, is to use a piston stop pin in place of the spark plug, or stuff several feet of starter cord down the hole when the piston is down on the power stroke, this way the valves are closed and will not be damaged. Doing it by holding the starter cord, you are putting stress on the starter dogs in the pull starter, and these are made of plastic, so you run the risk of damaging them . Small engine shop owner here.
I’ve watched a lot of videos on how to in stall this unit and I have to say this is by far the best one I have watched thank you.. you cleared up some things I did not know. Now I can install the torque converter with confidence that it is done right. Great job. I’ll be looking for more of your videos again great job.
Thank you. I really appreciate it. When I made this video, I never thought more than a few dozen people would watch it. I was creating a lot of step-by-step guides at work at the time, and the video was just sort of an experiment. I really wish I could be out in the lab making more videos right now. But in the last 6 months, I've been away from home almost 7 weeks. Between that, my own chronic illness, and the Colorado weather... there just hasn't been time. Hopefully I'll have some more content in a few weeks.
@@doktorscottdiabolical I'm same , But 11 Chronic illness's but NO snow or covit here but I know what you mean about the hindrances etc & just playing around with the video initially !. Goodonya .Trev New Zealand, Home of the world's fastest old Indian & Indy etc racer Scott Dickson.Good effort, for those who don't know Engineering wise but FINE threads in Alloy (Crankcase) have a habit of stripping if torque'd up too much...everyone's been warned....
In the old days if we needed to keep the engine from spinning when tightening a flywheel for example, remove the spark plug and stuff a piece of rope in the plug hole till enough is in the cylinder to keep the pistol from moving. Tighten the nut down then remove the rope.
Great video, but you might want to note that using anti-seize on a bolt and then torquing to spec will greatly over-tension the bolt. Unless otherwise stated, torque specs are for clean, dry, new assemblies. Dirty, buggered, oily, or worn threads won't torque properly.
GEEZ as of 12 /31 / 2023 I've read EVERY 263 comments because the production was SO GOOD I knew there had to be a number of questions or stupid comments I could laugh at. This will be MY GO TOO when I get to this stage of my project
Thanks for the video, the smart guy who sold me the mini bike with aftermarket TAV and engine decided to use an impact and the bolts are forever stuck until I decided to purchase a new predator 212 and comet kit.
SUPERB / EXCELLENT production, I didn't know ANYTHING about these setups and was considering one on this engine to turn a Snapper mower into a cart with a live axle, this GREAT DETAILED clip will now make my install flawless, as a 40+ year Snapper Mower MFG QC guy I really dig those that can detail such, SUBBED due to the EXCELLENT NO BS details
I tried to install this the other day and the instructions were a joke... the thing came half way put together and the instructions had 3 steps and 4 pictures. I have no idea if I put it on right or not. Interesting.. looks like i had it pretty close up to the shims. Glad I watched this or I never would have known to check for that.
I did the same thing to my mini bike, this is the way to do it! You get so much more speed from torque converters, my mini bike went 25mph before I put the torque converter on and after it can almost go 60mph.
Thank you for this very detailed tutorial! I have been watching several other videos that were not presented very well at all. My son and I are converting a centrifugal clutch to a torque converter for the first time and this video is exactly what I’ve been looking for!
Your welcome. I had the same experience before I made the video. Lots of banging and power tools, but never the critical details you really need. This was one of my early videos and I wish the production quality was better. But I'm glad you found it useful.
LOL ...... NOTHING wrong with the production quality my friend, and I'm a FANATIC about Quality issues & creation of such detailed helps having worked 40+ years within the Quality MFG field, NOTHING was lacking in this production & SALUTE to your dad ! @@doktorscottdiabolical
Excellent instructional video thanks. It's well paced and very thorough. I love the way you dealt with forgetting the belt, I will remember that when installing mine and save doing the same thing 😂.
Thank you for the help bud. First time installing a torque converter and your video literally was a step by step video and it helped out a lot. lol I forgot to install belt too, good thing I watched until the end instead of installing engine and then trying to put belt on then.
Love love this content and thanks for you assistance, especially the info about knowing the ratio for our bikes as that leads into the chain and sprocket combo I’ll need. Good stuff.
This guy has a vendetta against impact wrenches lol. I used a tiny dewalt impact to install mine, super quick and as long as u only let it impact a time or too you won’t over due it. Especially if u have selectable power settings like mine does. But who knows maybe it all seizes up on me or my engine blows up😂
You have watched the wrong video. You wanted "how to do it in 6 minutes and maybe screw up if you ain't lucky". My video is 27 minutes long. In my experience no power tool, especially an impact tool, provides enough tactile feedback to consistently avoid stretching or tearing out the threads of these cheap, Chineseium-alloy engines. Nor do they provide enough control to avoid warping parts due to inconsistent torque values on multiple bolts. Sure, impact drivers "can" be used successfully for this installation. So can an 11-ft long snipe. But neither will be a good choice in the hands of the inexperienced person this video was intended for.
YEP, your clip removes potential issues for those unlearned, IF someone follows YOUR procedure to a T they will have NO issues unless it's defective parts@@doktorscottdiabolical
as far as tightening that bolt on the clutch,from what ive read that lil slit in the washer is to hold a flat head screwdriver so you can tighten the bolt. Am i wrong? Maybe. im on my first go kart myself.
Oh yeah 😎. Got interested in Torque-Converters after talking to John senior at "Mableton Lawnmower and Go-cart Repair" in Mableton, Georgia West of Atlanta. John said that a Go-cart with a Torque-Converter can literally Walk-away from a Chain-driven Go-cart both with 6.5 horsepower motors. 😳 Wanting power my adult Trike with 212cc, 6.5 Hp Predator so I can pull my 150 pound (empty weight) garden-tractor trailer from Northern Equipment to Lowe's and Home Depot .
SMOG weighs 1,350 lbs. I had plenty of power and no belt slippage while climbing a 4% grade. But I use a ton of gear reduction. Top speed is only 5 mph because : parade float.
Thank you very much for the information regarding the gear ratios. I was looking for this info and could not find ... So, thank you very much. Greetings from Brazil!
We did everything right with these exact engine/parts...but when it runs its fairly sluggish and the t converter is rather noisy...like shaking metal on metal...maybe the bolt that holds the left smaller pulley (clover part) needs to be tightened?I think the problem is right there....
Yep, sounds like something is loose. My TAV doesn't make any odd noises. You can hear the "belt whine" when it's engaged, but that's it. No rattling, no clunking on engagement, or anything like that. If it looks like your drive-pulley (the one on the crankshaft) is loose and it won't get any tighter even if you add more torque to the bolt, you may need a shim (or more than one) in the stack of pulley parts. It's possible that the bolt is bottoming out on the end of the crankshaft before the inner half of the pulley is seated or has sufficient clamping pressure from the bolt. Or... your bolt may be too long and it may be bottoming out in the hole before it creates sufficient clamping force on the pulley stack. If that's the case, get a shorter bolt or cut a bit off the end of the one you have.
The reason why is because this guy is telling you the wrong way to mount your drive converter your drive converter has to be with the gazing part towards the end of it looks like it's on backwards but that's how it's supposed to be on I called five different manufacturers they told me every one of them that that drive pulley the big fat bully goes on with the fat part towards the engine he is putting it on backwards and this is a fact called the manufacturers comet and a few other ones this is the wrong installation that drive pulley has to go on backwards as soon as you put it on backwards you will see lines up almost perfect you might have to put a small washer behind it or you might have to sand down the sprocket a little bit to move the polio in a tiny bit but I didn't have to do anything to my in Mayan runs perfectly in uniform the belt does not twist does not make any noise your belt should not move from side to side under idle or high RPM if you kick the gas in your belt decides to go sideways that means it's wrong it supposed to move over in Unisom it supposed to move together on one side it's not supposed to twist at all
David, FYI: I do not tolerate swearing, name-calling, flaming, or trolling on my channel. So I am not going to approve your original comment for that reason, and that reason alone. If you would like to share your insights WITHOUT being negative and inflammatory, then please do. I have never claimed to be THE authoritative expert on cheap go-kart parts. It might be possible that you're right, and that the moving side of the drive-pulley should be to the engine side on some kits. I didn't do it that way because my kit didn't seem to work that way. The installation method I demonstrated in this video worked exactly as it should for my kit. No clunking or chattering. No soft engagements. No belt twisting or jumping. Just smooth parallel operation as you described. And it does this through the RPM range, even when powering my 1300 lb dragon-trike uphill. I've demonstrated this in my videos. Please keep in mind, I have stated many times in the comments that I am installing a generic knock-off Chinese-made kit. I bought it from a vendor on Amazon that also sold knock-off boat stereos. And he probably bought the kit on Alibaba. My kit is not a Comet or any other known branded-manufacturer. So there is no manufacturer to call for this type of kit. If you were able to find a manufacturer to call (or five), none of them made THIS kit. And theirs may work a different way. One guy that commented a few months ago that his kit had the output sprocket on the engine side of the mounting plate. That's not even possible with my kit. His was from a different manufacturer. And based on other comments I've received, I believe there are more than 5 different designs out there. But most of the commenters are using this type. So my video is relevant and correct for them. If you still disagree with anything I've said in this comment, you're welcome to make a video demonstrating how you installed your kit. I really would like to see your installation and I'd like to see it in action. Because I'm curious to know how your kit gets the same results as mine (or RedBeard's or anybody else's) but with a different installation method? There's gotta be something different between the two kits. I'm wondering what that is. If you can share that, it might help folks that have your type of kit.
Actually I use voice to text and that was not what it was supposed to say what it was supposed to say is you all and I will say this again you are completely and utterly wrong I have contacted five different manufacturers on these torque converters the torque converter fat part goes towards the motor always by installing it the wrong way you cause premature wear of the belt and parts the procedure is incorrect and will cause an alignment of belt
Based on your comments, I'm certain that I will not change your mind on what you believe to be "the only correct installation method". I've lived long enough to know that people who emphatically insist "they're right and that everyone else is completely wrong" cannot be convinced otherwise. Especially with words. However, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Please post a video demonstrating your installation method and your kit. The rest of us would like to see what you're doing differently, and how your kit works. Please also include in your video which manufacturers you called, and each of their specific phone numbers so we can call those manufacturers and verify. Thanks.
17:50 lol , good job so far best predator 212 torque converter install I've seen on TH-cam, most other videos they just slap it on and don't go over the details
The bolt that goes into the end of the crankshaft depends on exactly which engine you have, and where you live. Some are metric, some are American threads. Check the manufacturer specs for your specific engine & model.
That bolt goes directly into the end of the crankshaft. So the diameter and thread pitch depend on the engine you're using and what it's tapped for. My Predator 212cc wedge-head is tapped 5/16"-24 tpi (I'm in the USA). Length is also dependent on your engine, your actual setup and how you positioned the backing plate, the number of shims you had to improvise to get everything to line up, etc, etc. That may take some experimentation. But remember, you can "shorten" a bolt with a hacksaw.
Maybe. But it would be in one of the "special bolt" drawers since 5/16"-24 is UNF "fine" pitch. You'll have better luck at Ace Hardware or Tractor Supply.
I find the crank shaft on the predator 212 cc is to short when using the 30 series clutch assembly. The problem I have is when you shim to get proper pulley alignment the bolt that comes in the kit only catches about a quarter inch of the threads give or take yes you can get a longer bolt about an half inch longer that fixes that problem but now you have the problem of what you called the clover only having maybe an half inch or less of the crank shaft sticking out for it to ride on and only about three eights of an inch of its key actually in the key slot on the shaft and over a short time it will wiggle and break the bolt. How many other people have had this problem please comment. The shaft is 2.43 inches long and to be trouble free you really need at least a three inch shaft.
I'm having that problem now. Asking for help on a Facebook group and everyone says I have something wrong. Your saying exactly what I've been thinking. The shaft has to be short.
HUM, glad you brought this up in case I run into such, I wouldn't think there would be that variation in shaft lengths within production, I'd bet there are variations in one or more of the kit parts
Very nice. I am working on putting an old Koehler 12hp in a club car cart. The shaft is just a tad over one inch so I’m hoping if I order the 1” torque converter that it will fit.
Fingers crossed. With any precision made part, thousandths of an inch (or 10ths of a millimeter) count. But the tolerances on the parts in my kit are pretty loose. So you may get lucky. Let us know how it goes.
Got a problem. In my country I can't get a predator engine but similar. The problem is the jackshaft dismeter is either 18mm or 20 mm. Do you think the cvt kit will fit in one of them?
The only things Not address on here is wet torque vs dry and using thread locker, it has changed in the 46 years sense I went through Tech school, and there is a whole industry out there that uses SS hardware in aluminum castings, the outboard and inboard manufacturers.
Discussing torque procedures and thread-lockers is like discussing glue... or religion. Everybody's got an opinion. My best advice regarding the Predator motors is "soft alloy, small motor, take it easy with the wrench".
#35 chain is narrower, lighter, and has a shorter pitch (shorter links) than #40. That allows all of the components in the drivetrain (sprockets, shafts, etc) to be lighter and often smaller than #40 components. For a single-seat go kart, #35 is plenty strong, and is generally easier to work with. I'm using #40 because 1) I originally needed the additional strength to handle the torque of the human-powered drivetrain 2) I was already using #40 in the human-powered drivetrain and had components and tools to work with it 3) SMOG is a parade float with a top speed of 5 mph. I'm not really concerned with weight savings. If I were building a go kart where space and weight were an issue, I'd probably use #35.
Not with my kit. At least, not without a good bit of modification and lathe work. I have heard of a kit that does have that setup. But I've never seen it.
2" worked for me with the spacer and washer stack I used. But if 2" is too short for your motor, get a 2-1/2" and cut it down as needed to fit your application.
@doktorscottdiabolical oh, I was actually just putting the pacman washer on backwards, so the flange wasn't inside the shaft and was spacing it too much. Embarrassing! But thanks for your response.
@@doktorscottdiabolical that’s probably my favorite part now lol I’m gonna buy one but probably change the springs I want it to engage earlier. I was also wondering can you change the gear to the other side of the pulley on the non-driven end? My sprocket aligns basically to the end of my engine shaft almost exactly and this is offsetting me 2-3 inches
On my kit I cannot change the location of the sprocket. It might be possible to re-design, but that would take a lot of machining and would still probably fail under load. I've heard of a kit that has the output chain sprocket on the engine side of the driven shaft. But I've never seen it.
Can Anybody provide me knowledge on how to tap the key way out because mine is the normal 3/16 and i can’t put the pulley on without making the key way in the shaft bigger, any help would be appreciated thanks
Where does a guy buy just the machined spacer & bolt to secure the pulley to the shaft of the engine? I bought a 30 series to mount to the Predator 212. The spacer I have now is about 1/4” too long, so need a shorter one. Any help would be great! Thank you! Very useful video!
Good question! If you're in the US, I would try McMaster-Carr or Granger first. Look for something like "unthreaded spacer" or "shaft bushing". You might also try an online bearing & chain shop. I've had good luck with The Big Bearing Store. If you've got a GOOD local hardware or farm supply store (the kind that has an entire isle of just nuts and bolts), you might be able to find a few spacers/washers/nuts that you can stack up. Keep in mind that on a rotating shaft, thousandths of an inch count. Standard clearance of .005" is the thickness of a sheet of paper. Anything more (like the washer I used) will introduce additional vibration and wear. IDEALLY you would determine exactly how long your spacer needs to be. Then you would find a guy with a lathe or take it to a machine shop and have the spacer faced down to the correct length. Do you know any local kart racers, drag racers, retired machinists? They may be able to point you toward a friendly shop. If all else fails, clamp your spacer in a vise, cut it off a little long with a hacksaw, then carefully file it down to size with a mill file. That method sux, but it can work if you're patient and careful. I personally intend to turn a new spacer in the mini-lathe once I have the engine location and vibration issues worked out. But that's going to be a while. I got stuck rebuilding my back yard deck this summer.
Watch the "engine pulley" as you increase RPM. The side of it should move inward to engage the belt. If it's not moving, something isn't assembled correctly. If it is moving but just doesn't engage the belt, check that you have the belt installed correctly. One side has a bevel. If that isn't it, you may have a washer in he wrong place or something assembled in the wrong order.
I didn't use one initially. But clearance with the #40 chain was really tight and I did notice some chain rubbing. I'm not sure if I'll need to add shims on the next iteration. Still trying to find time to work on the vibration issue. Life has kinda gotten in the way over the last year or two.
Not on my kit. The bearings are different I.D. sizes and the shaft is "stepped" so it only fits one way. I've heard of a kit that allows the driven shaft to be reversed, but I've never seen it.
Such a great video. Is the mounting plate necessary? I have a predator 212 with a 30 series off a 3203 yerf dog but it didnt come with the mounting plate
Converting mm to bananas... 19mm = .748" so it "should". But... you won't really know until you try. All of the components on my drive pulley assembly had a pretty sloppy fit. And the kits are made in China, so maybe they're actually 19mm kits marketed to us Yankees as 3/4"?
Hey brother. I'm trying to build a motorized bicycle with a preditor 212. I need help finding a place to order the tourqe converter and sprocket kit. And stuff. Any suggestions?
I got my TAV on Amazon a few years ago. There are lots of sellers, mostly selling the exact same Chinese kit they bought wholesale. Do your homework, and try to find a not-so-scummy one. FYI: putting a 212cc engine in a conventional bicycle will probably require a lot of custom fabrication. Especially to the rear hub. It can be done, but it ain't easy. You're not going to find a kit for it. Also... vibration. LOTS of vibration.
My old Carter go Kart has a 20 series torque converter setup. It also has the the Predator 212 engine. I guess I can change this out and go with the 30 series kit??
The knock-off "30-series" definitely will work with the Predator 212 wedge-head engine. Whether or not a 30-series will work in your application really depends on which Predator 212 engine you have, and the axle, sprocket, and driveline setup of your kart. You'll want to consider crankshaft diameter, chain pitch(size), Sprocket sizes (#of teeth and ratio of drive:driven), and available physical space and how much flexibility you have in mounting the unit. Each of those parts has to match the next. A TAV designed for a 3/4" crankshaft dia. won't fit on a 1" dia crankshaft. #35 chain & sprockets are not interchangable with #40, etc.
@@doktorscottdiabolical hello again... I think I may have figured something out instead of the replacement of the torque converter assembly. After I installed a new belt a couple of months ago I noticed belt dust everywhere around the engine and seat back. Last night I was looking at the alignment of the engine pulley and the axel pulley. The axel pulley sits 3/4” off center of the engine pulley. I’m guessing that could cause issues? The clutch seems to operate nicely when I have the tires off the ground and running the kart. I was told by a guy that because it’s a belt the alignment won’t matter. What do you think Doktor Scott? Also do they sell a shim or spacer set for the clutch where it mounts on the engine??
Alignment always matters. With v-belts, you can get away with a lot of misalignment. But it comes at the expense of heat, wear, and power loss due to increased resistance. With a TAV, I've read from multiple sources that the engine-side pulley alignment is critical. I had to shim mine quite a bit. I've never seen a specific shim/spacer made for this application. I'm planning to machine one at some point. Assuming you don't have a lathe, you might try searching for "shaft spacer" or "bushing stock" from McMaster-Carr, or Grainger, etc.
@@doktorscottdiabolical one other thing. The pulley on the axel shaft that has a visible spring. Sometimes when riding it won’t go into the fast speed. I can sometimes here a clunk . Can that spring mechanism be cleaned and lubricated and make it function correctly??
I bought mine on Amazon from a guy that was primarily selling boat stereos. That was several years ago and he's gone now. So, no links. But... these kits all appear to come from one or two factories in China. I recommend finding the least-sketchy dude with decent prices that seems like he's include all of the parts when he ships the kit. Because all of the kits are basically the exact same thing.
These converters engage around 1800 rpm. So to get a lower rpm output, you need reduction sprockets after the TAV. SMOG uses a 4-stage reduction. Axle speed is 17 rpm max. I have a video about it.
I HAD TO CHASE THE INTERNAL THREADS ON THE FRONT PULLEY ATTACH BOLT HOLE ON THE MOTOR WITH (5/16 x FINE THREAD TAP ) AS THE CORRECT (BOUGHT SEPARATELY ) BOLT WOULD ONLY GO IN LESS THAN 2 TURNS . NOTE : THE WRONG BOLT THAT CAME WITH THIS FRONT CHINESE PULLEY WAS AN 8MM X125 ! VIDEO (IT WOULD GO IN LESS THAN ONE TURN -+ AND BIND) EXCELLENT VIDEO ...........
Not on the kit I have. The bearings are different sizes on the left and right. And the shaft outer diameters are "stepped" to fit. So the shaft only fits one way. Also, the plate in my kit is only machined flat on one side. So it can't really be "flipped over" either. I've heard of a kit that has the output sprocket on the "engine-side" of the plate, i.e. not sandwiched between the plate and pulley. But I've never seen one.
Yes, but it's designed to. That's how this type of torque converter works. As RPM increases, centrifugal (centripetal, whatever) force causes the weights to move outward. These cam the two halves of the cone-shaped pulleys together, engaging and driving the belt, and also increasing the effective diameter of the pulleys and thus the drive ratio. This happens automatically and is self-regulating depending on engine rpm and load. If I filmed SMOG going uphill, you would see the pulley sides move apart as load increased and RPM decreased (that's what the springs do). That would decrease the drive ratio and have the same effect as shifting into a lower gear in a manual transmission. The idea is that engine rpm remains constant for a given power setting. It's not perfect, but it does an effective job.
I have a quick question, I have a Realtree 200 mini bike that I bought from Walmart customer returned it Walmart gave sold it to me at 50% off. So I brought it home and looking around I removed the spark to to see it and I noticed when I pulled to start the engine with the plug off, oil was coming out is that Normal or did I get a lemon.
Assuming oil was coming out of the spark plug hole... not necessarily anything wrong. Oil may have been added to the top end of the cylinder by the mfg as a corrosion preventative. Oil may also have seeped past the piston rings if the bike was sitting upside down or at an odd angle for more than a few minutes. That much oil (less than a tablespoon full) will burn off. You shouldn't see any more oil than that above the piston. With the ignition off, try pulling the motor through a few revolutions. If it doesn't lock up, turn on the ignition and fuel and try starting it. It'll probably smoke like a train for a few seconds. If it keeps on smoking after a minute or more, then there may be internal damage like a broken piston ring or broken valve stem, etc.
What size bolt did you use for the clutch out of your own collection? I've broken 3 bolts off so far while driving the kart.. I believe now with your help it was because of a off line pulley set up. I used a flat bar and I needed another washer to line them up.
The stainless steel bolt that threads into the crankshaft in this video is nominally 2" long. It actually measures 1-15/16" from the underside of the cap to the end of the bolt. That's what worked with the setup and washer stack that I used in the video. Your kit and setup may be different. The thread standard on my motor is 5/16"-24 tpi (SAE fine). BUT, that's for a Predator 212 sold in the USA. I would expect that in every other part of the world, the crankshaft would be tapped for a metric thread standard.
I don't recall what came with the kit, but the crankshaft on my engine is tapped 5/16"-24tpi. I would expect engines not sold in the USA to be tapped metric. As far as the length of the bolt, I think I've answered that somewhere in the comments with an exact measurement (2 1/2 - 3 1/2 inches???). But what I'm seeing is that different kits may need different length bolts, and even the same type of kit can have significant variations. Also, the thickness of the spacer used to align the belt will make a difference. Keep in mind that any bolt can be "shortened" by cutting a bit off the end with a hacksaw or angle grinder.
Thank you Scott. My kit's instructions never indicated the correct direction the outer sheave for the drive pulley, and apparently I didn't get lucky enough to first stumble upon a YT video that showed this, either. Don't ask me why I assumed it backwards, perhaps I was looking more at it from the outside, I don't know. I installed the flat side correctly, but flubbed the beveled sheave since the side with the springs is also beveled and I assumed they'd expand upward somehow? With the belt riding against that center section that's grooved I instantly began to shred the outside of the belt. What's interesting is that the other salient feature was that the driven pulley was always locked with the drive pulley. So I couldn't even start the engine unless the rear wheel was off the ground. And so ... I went looking for what causes these torque converters to always be engaged and getting sidetracked with all sorts of red herrings about belt length (hey, it's a fixed length here) and "faulty pulleys" and so on. Needless to say your video was the first I saw that showed how both pulleys operate at different RPMs.
Hello. On this video what is the outside diameter of the drive pulley. Looking for a cvt set up like this but need a certain diameter for clearance. Thank you.
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Now is this basically the same method I would use when installing a Torque Converter on a stock 196cc Mini Bike Engine ?
Should be. Both the 196cc and 212cc engines are clones of the Honda GX-series engines. The TAV kits are knock-offs of the Comet Torque-A-Verter. YMMV, but the install procedure "should" be similar.
This is a great step by step how to video minus the the part where you forgot to put the belt on at the end of the video but I'll try to remember to put the belt on before the pulley cover some time lol. I just got the Torque Converter and Riser Plate in the mail today so I'm getting ready to do this install. I just wish I could see how to remove the mini bike clutch that is on there now and install the riser plate that I will have to do before I start putting the Torque Converter on. Also not sure how to make the new chain the proper size but I'll have to figure it out on my own I guess. Basically I have a 196cc Mini Bike and I'm replacing the stock clutch with this new Torque Converter so i must figure out how to get everything off first before I put new stuff on. If I gotta put this Riser Plate in that means I have to take the whole Engine out which sounds like a lot of work but hopefully it goes smoother than I'm thinking it will go.
Re-sizing the chain is easy. But you WILL need a chain-breaker tool for your chain size. Trying to drive out a pin with a hammer & punch not only sux, but usually just mangles the chain.
Great video, no blaring music, no segments of you playing with dogs, etc, Just thoughtful instructions. Too bad other videos don't take yours as an example.
Best comment I've ever read on TH-cam
10-4 I look to these for details & helps, all the other mumbo jumbo is a waste of MY time
No annoying voice!!😎👍
I don’t understand why this video has any dislikes. This guy is giving people decades of his earned knowledge in 27 minutes for free. I’m mainly watching this because I’m on my machine at work and bored (steel mill roll shop maintenance) and wanted to see if I could learn something I didn’t already know. I can tell you this guy knows what he’s talking about and is giving us way more information than the bare minimum that is needed to install this torque converter. A lot of what he is saying can be used for many different things.
THANKS! When I first started making videos for The SMOG Project, I never thought anyone other than my friends would watch them. But with this video, I decided to try to show ALL of the steps that the other videos skip over. It was sort of an experiment because I also write step-by-step guides at work. Sometime around last Christmas, this video started to take off. Which blows me away, because it really isn't a very good video. But I'm happy that a few thousand people were able to take something away from it, good or bad. I hope that everyone enjoys it, and that it helps with everyone's projects.
The company you work for should give you a RAISE if you're doing step by step guides, been there & done that & even butted heads with engineers & tech publications about how crappy theirs were LOL
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Haters gonna hate , i enjoyed the video
I mean, if you're gonna make a how to video, you should know the bolt/thread size. And that's just where I stopped lol did not dislike it though
Being an A&P license holder I truly enjoyed hearing about the special BeLL Helicopter 🚁 spanner wrench from your dad. Those are special moments and aviation is rich with heritage and history. 👏🏼 😊
This is my first time working on an engine and i was stressing how i couldnt find a good video that actually explains it and i found this it shows u step by step and even shows u how to fix a mistake that i bet a lot of people do
same
The bob Ross of minibike engine work! Haha love it. Watching you reminds me of watching my grandfather teach me how to do things. It’s the small details in his words. Just like you! Great work
Thank you, me and a friend are going to change the one on my kart now. I've had it sitting in the garage forever and been intimidated by it but this video made me much more comfortable.
Litterally the best video covering the install of these torque converters! Purchased a kit from a large seller of these and their instruction video left me with a lot of questions and extra parts. Thanks for the help!
The belt is directional, there is a flat side and a angled side. The angled side goes away from the engine to match the slope of the torque converter.
He said that
He DIDN'T miss that point, BUT glad you mentioned that IMPORTANT part
17:21 a better way to hold the engine while torquing the clutch bolt, is to use a piston stop pin in place of the spark plug, or stuff several feet of starter cord down the hole when the piston is down on the power stroke, this way the valves are closed and will not be damaged. Doing it by holding the starter cord, you are putting stress on the starter dogs in the pull starter, and these are made of plastic, so you run the risk of damaging them . Small engine shop owner here.
I’ve watched a lot of videos on how to in stall this unit and I have to say this is by far the best one I have watched thank you.. you cleared up some things I did not know. Now I can install the torque converter with confidence that it is done right. Great job. I’ll be looking for more of your videos again great job.
Thank you. I really appreciate it. When I made this video, I never thought more than a few dozen people would watch it. I was creating a lot of step-by-step guides at work at the time, and the video was just sort of an experiment. I really wish I could be out in the lab making more videos right now. But in the last 6 months, I've been away from home almost 7 weeks. Between that, my own chronic illness, and the Colorado weather... there just hasn't been time. Hopefully I'll have some more content in a few weeks.
@@doktorscottdiabolical I'm same , But 11 Chronic illness's but NO snow or covit here but I know what you mean about the hindrances etc & just playing around with the video initially !. Goodonya .Trev New Zealand, Home of the world's fastest old Indian & Indy etc racer Scott Dickson.Good effort, for those who don't know Engineering wise but FINE threads in Alloy (Crankcase) have a habit of stripping if torque'd up too much...everyone's been warned....
In the old days if we needed to keep the engine from spinning when tightening a flywheel for example, remove the spark plug and stuff a piece of rope in the plug hole till enough is in the cylinder to keep the pistol from moving. Tighten the nut down then remove the rope.
That is actually a good idea :)
It’s what this 72 years mechanic still does
Great video, but you might want to note that using anti-seize on a bolt and then torquing to spec will greatly over-tension the bolt.
Unless otherwise stated, torque specs are for clean, dry, new assemblies. Dirty, buggered, oily, or worn threads won't torque properly.
NOT a real big deal, it appears that he has had to remove such that SHOULD of been anti seized in the 1st place
GEEZ as of 12 /31 / 2023 I've read EVERY 263 comments because the production was SO GOOD I knew there had to be a number of questions or stupid comments I could laugh at. This will be MY GO TOO when I get to this stage of my project
Thanks for the video, the smart guy who sold me the mini bike with aftermarket TAV and engine decided to use an impact and the bolts are forever stuck until I decided to purchase a new predator 212 and comet kit.
Only video that helped me after 5 hours of looking🙏🏽
SUPERB / EXCELLENT production, I didn't know ANYTHING about these setups and was considering one on this engine to turn a Snapper mower into a cart with a live axle, this GREAT DETAILED clip will now make my install flawless, as a 40+ year Snapper Mower MFG QC guy I really dig those that can detail such, SUBBED due to the EXCELLENT NO BS details
Great video, straight to the point great tutorial, a lot of information that is hard to find anywhere else.
I tried to install this the other day and the instructions were a joke... the thing came half way put together and the instructions had 3 steps and 4 pictures. I have no idea if I put it on right or not.
Interesting.. looks like i had it pretty close up to the shims. Glad I watched this or I never would have known to check for that.
IMO an excellent and professionally produced informative video! Thank sir!
I did the same thing to my mini bike, this is the way to do it! You get so much more speed from torque converters, my mini bike went 25mph before I put the torque converter on and after it can almost go 60mph.
Thank you for this very detailed tutorial! I have been watching several other videos that were not presented very well at all. My son and I are converting a centrifugal clutch to a torque converter for the first time and this video is exactly what I’ve been looking for!
Your welcome. I had the same experience before I made the video. Lots of banging and power tools, but never the critical details you really need. This was one of my early videos and I wish the production quality was better. But I'm glad you found it useful.
LOL ...... NOTHING wrong with the production quality my friend, and I'm a FANATIC about Quality issues & creation of such detailed helps having worked 40+ years within the Quality MFG field, NOTHING was lacking in this production & SALUTE to your dad ! @@doktorscottdiabolical
Very helpful video...primarily due to the belt orientation in my situation. I had mine on backward and I had a very low top speed.
Very thorough. The GTC manual said about 12 foot pounds on that jackshaft nylock nut. I think 30 is too much
Excellent instructional video thanks. It's well paced and very thorough. I love the way you dealt with forgetting the belt, I will remember that when installing mine and save doing the same thing 😂.
WHICH WAY the bevel goes was a EXCELLENT mention for sure
Great video! I would probably adjust my torque down a little on those bolts with antiseize to cover the frictional differences.
Thank you for the help bud. First time installing a torque converter and your video literally was a step by step video and it helped out a lot. lol I forgot to install belt too, good thing I watched until the end instead of installing engine and then trying to put belt on then.
Love love this content and thanks for you assistance, especially the info about knowing the ratio for our bikes as that leads into the chain and sprocket combo I’ll need. Good stuff.
Hmm 1971 that was a great year. Thanks for the tips!
This guy has a vendetta against impact wrenches lol. I used a tiny dewalt impact to install mine, super quick and as long as u only let it impact a time or too you won’t over due it. Especially if u have selectable power settings like mine does. But who knows maybe it all seizes up on me or my engine blows up😂
You have watched the wrong video. You wanted "how to do it in 6 minutes and maybe screw up if you ain't lucky". My video is 27 minutes long. In my experience no power tool, especially an impact tool, provides enough tactile feedback to consistently avoid stretching or tearing out the threads of these cheap, Chineseium-alloy engines. Nor do they provide enough control to avoid warping parts due to inconsistent torque values on multiple bolts. Sure, impact drivers "can" be used successfully for this installation. So can an 11-ft long snipe. But neither will be a good choice in the hands of the inexperienced person this video was intended for.
"This guy has a vendetta against impact wrenches lol."
YEP, your clip removes potential issues for those unlearned, IF someone follows YOUR procedure to a T they will have NO issues unless it's defective parts@@doktorscottdiabolical
Man time flies when you working on any 2 wheeler. NICE...
Amazing instruction. Also shocked to hear the lafayette, la shout out. Lived in Lafayette my entire life.
Great. Now I'm hungry for Dean-O's....
as far as tightening that bolt on the clutch,from what ive read that lil slit in the washer is to hold a flat head screwdriver so you can tighten the bolt. Am i wrong? Maybe. im on my first go kart myself.
I like your video above the others it's explained well and thorough thx from Alaska
Installing one now. Appreciate this vid!!
I think the pulleys are suppose to be a bit offset, as it helps with tention and prevent slipping.
Es el primer vídeo con explicaciones al detalle, excelente. Mis felicitaciones y me suscribo para seguir aprendiendo...
Great video, very detailed. Appreciate it
Thank you for that show. Very good presentation. I learned.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job scott! I wished everyone did videos like you. Perfect, clear and to the point, thank you very much.
Oh yeah 😎. Got interested in Torque-Converters after talking to John senior at "Mableton Lawnmower and Go-cart Repair" in Mableton, Georgia West of Atlanta.
John said that a Go-cart with a Torque-Converter can literally Walk-away from a Chain-driven Go-cart both with 6.5 horsepower motors. 😳 Wanting power my adult Trike with 212cc, 6.5 Hp Predator so I can pull my 150 pound (empty weight) garden-tractor trailer from Northern Equipment to Lowe's and Home Depot .
SMOG weighs 1,350 lbs. I had plenty of power and no belt slippage while climbing a 4% grade. But I use a ton of gear reduction. Top speed is only 5 mph because : parade float.
That TAV is very clever! the series 30! Wow!
Very helpful information and I like the way you took your time and explained everything thoroughly. Great job 👏
Thank you very much for the information regarding the gear ratios. I was looking for this info and could not find ... So, thank you very much. Greetings from Brazil!
Best video ever thank you
We did everything right with these exact engine/parts...but when it runs its fairly sluggish and the t converter is rather noisy...like shaking metal on metal...maybe the bolt that holds the left smaller pulley (clover part) needs to be tightened?I think the problem is right there....
Yep, sounds like something is loose. My TAV doesn't make any odd noises. You can hear the "belt whine" when it's engaged, but that's it. No rattling, no clunking on engagement, or anything like that. If it looks like your drive-pulley (the one on the crankshaft) is loose and it won't get any tighter even if you add more torque to the bolt, you may need a shim (or more than one) in the stack of pulley parts. It's possible that the bolt is bottoming out on the end of the crankshaft before the inner half of the pulley is seated or has sufficient clamping pressure from the bolt. Or... your bolt may be too long and it may be bottoming out in the hole before it creates sufficient clamping force on the pulley stack. If that's the case, get a shorter bolt or cut a bit off the end of the one you have.
The reason why is because this guy is telling you the wrong way to mount your drive converter your drive converter has to be with the gazing part towards the end of it looks like it's on backwards but that's how it's supposed to be on I called five different manufacturers they told me every one of them that that drive pulley the big fat bully goes on with the fat part towards the engine he is putting it on backwards and this is a fact called the manufacturers comet and a few other ones this is the wrong installation that drive pulley has to go on backwards as soon as you put it on backwards you will see lines up almost perfect you might have to put a small washer behind it or you might have to sand down the sprocket a little bit to move the polio in a tiny bit but I didn't have to do anything to my in Mayan runs perfectly in uniform the belt does not twist does not make any noise your belt should not move from side to side under idle or high RPM if you kick the gas in your belt decides to go sideways that means it's wrong it supposed to move over in Unisom it supposed to move together on one side it's not supposed to twist at all
David, FYI: I do not tolerate swearing, name-calling, flaming, or trolling on my channel. So I am not going to approve your original comment for that reason, and that reason alone. If you would like to share your insights WITHOUT being negative and inflammatory, then please do. I have never claimed to be THE authoritative expert on cheap go-kart parts. It might be possible that you're right, and that the moving side of the drive-pulley should be to the engine side on some kits. I didn't do it that way because my kit didn't seem to work that way. The installation method I demonstrated in this video worked exactly as it should for my kit. No clunking or chattering. No soft engagements. No belt twisting or jumping. Just smooth parallel operation as you described. And it does this through the RPM range, even when powering my 1300 lb dragon-trike uphill. I've demonstrated this in my videos. Please keep in mind, I have stated many times in the comments that I am installing a generic knock-off Chinese-made kit. I bought it from a vendor on Amazon that also sold knock-off boat stereos. And he probably bought the kit on Alibaba. My kit is not a Comet or any other known branded-manufacturer. So there is no manufacturer to call for this type of kit. If you were able to find a manufacturer to call (or five), none of them made THIS kit. And theirs may work a different way. One guy that commented a few months ago that his kit had the output sprocket on the engine side of the mounting plate. That's not even possible with my kit. His was from a different manufacturer. And based on other comments I've received, I believe there are more than 5 different designs out there. But most of the commenters are using this type. So my video is relevant and correct for them.
If you still disagree with anything I've said in this comment, you're welcome to make a video demonstrating how you installed your kit. I really would like to see your installation and I'd like to see it in action. Because I'm curious to know how your kit gets the same results as mine (or RedBeard's or anybody else's) but with a different installation method? There's gotta be something different between the two kits. I'm wondering what that is. If you can share that, it might help folks that have your type of kit.
Actually I use voice to text and that was not what it was supposed to say what it was supposed to say is you all and I will say this again you are completely and utterly wrong I have contacted five different manufacturers on these torque converters the torque converter fat part goes towards the motor always by installing it the wrong way you cause premature wear of the belt and parts the procedure is incorrect and will cause an alignment of belt
Based on your comments, I'm certain that I will not change your mind on what you believe to be "the only correct installation method". I've lived long enough to know that people who emphatically insist "they're right and that everyone else is completely wrong" cannot be convinced otherwise. Especially with words. However, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Please post a video demonstrating your installation method and your kit. The rest of us would like to see what you're doing differently, and how your kit works. Please also include in your video which manufacturers you called, and each of their specific phone numbers so we can call those manufacturers and verify. Thanks.
17:50 lol , good job so far best predator 212 torque converter install I've seen on TH-cam, most other videos they just slap it on and don't go over the details
You are a life saver bro
Very helpful video. Thank you.
wow. what a great video. thanks for posting this.
You're welcome!
What size bolt did you use (fine threaded stainless bolt)
The bolt that goes into the end of the crankshaft depends on exactly which engine you have, and where you live. Some are metric, some are American threads. Check the manufacturer specs for your specific engine & model.
Excellent details ,Very helpful start to finish.
What’s the size of the bolt that goes on the drum of the torque converter? I’m asking because I lost mine and I can’t find the right measurements
That bolt goes directly into the end of the crankshaft. So the diameter and thread pitch depend on the engine you're using and what it's tapped for. My Predator 212cc wedge-head is tapped 5/16"-24 tpi (I'm in the USA). Length is also dependent on your engine, your actual setup and how you positioned the backing plate, the number of shims you had to improvise to get everything to line up, etc, etc. That may take some experimentation. But remember, you can "shorten" a bolt with a hacksaw.
@@doktorscottdiabolical thank you for your help!!! Do you think that it is in home depot?
Maybe. But it would be in one of the "special bolt" drawers since 5/16"-24 is UNF "fine" pitch. You'll have better luck at Ace Hardware or Tractor Supply.
I find the crank shaft on the predator 212 cc is to short when using the 30 series clutch assembly. The problem I have is when you shim to get proper pulley alignment the bolt that comes in the kit only catches about a quarter inch of the threads give or take yes you can get a longer bolt about an half inch longer that fixes that problem but now you have the problem of what you called the clover only having maybe an half inch or less of the crank shaft sticking out for it to ride on and only about three eights of an inch of its key actually in the key slot on the shaft and over a short time it will wiggle and break the bolt. How many other people have had this problem please comment. The shaft is 2.43 inches long and to be trouble free you really need at least a three inch shaft.
I'm having that problem now. Asking for help on a Facebook group and everyone says I have something wrong. Your saying exactly what I've been thinking. The shaft has to be short.
HUM, glad you brought this up in case I run into such, I wouldn't think there would be that variation in shaft lengths within production, I'd bet there are variations in one or more of the kit parts
On the oil caps just put one or two washers.
Very nice. I am working on putting an old Koehler 12hp in a club car cart. The shaft is just a tad over one inch so I’m hoping if I order the 1” torque converter that it will fit.
Fingers crossed. With any precision made part, thousandths of an inch (or 10ths of a millimeter) count. But the tolerances on the parts in my kit are pretty loose. So you may get lucky. Let us know how it goes.
Did ya get your golf cart project finished?
Hi thanks for the video. Can you tell me what’s the overall width of whole motor plus converter assembly?
Is the bronze bushing 3/4”?
I thought i was learning a new trick by you not putting that belt on first 😀
Got a problem. In my country I can't get a predator engine but similar. The problem is the jackshaft dismeter is either 18mm or 20 mm. Do you think the cvt kit will fit in one of them?
The only things Not address on here is wet torque vs dry and using thread locker, it has changed in the 46 years sense I went through Tech school, and there is a whole industry out there that uses SS hardware in aluminum castings, the outboard and inboard manufacturers.
Discussing torque procedures and thread-lockers is like discussing glue... or religion. Everybody's got an opinion. My best advice regarding the Predator motors is "soft alloy, small motor, take it easy with the wrench".
why would one use a 35 or 40 chain? what is the difference, advantages, and disadvantages?
#35 chain is narrower, lighter, and has a shorter pitch (shorter links) than #40. That allows all of the components in the drivetrain (sprockets, shafts, etc) to be lighter and often smaller than #40 components. For a single-seat go kart, #35 is plenty strong, and is generally easier to work with. I'm using #40 because 1) I originally needed the additional strength to handle the torque of the human-powered drivetrain 2) I was already using #40 in the human-powered drivetrain and had components and tools to work with it 3) SMOG is a parade float with a top speed of 5 mph. I'm not really concerned with weight savings. If I were building a go kart where space and weight were an issue, I'd probably use #35.
Is it possible to mount the sprocket on the circlip side of the driven shaft?
Not with my kit. At least, not without a good bit of modification and lathe work. I have heard of a kit that does have that setup. But I've never seen it.
Whats the bolt length on the driver pulley? Videos ive seen have said to get a 2 inch one for the predator 212, but it seems to be too short
2" worked for me with the spacer and washer stack I used. But if 2" is too short for your motor, get a 2-1/2" and cut it down as needed to fit your application.
@doktorscottdiabolical oh, I was actually just putting the pacman washer on backwards, so the flange wasn't inside the shaft and was spacing it too much. Embarrassing! But thanks for your response.
so detailed we even made the mistakes with you
So this mechanism has its own clutch already? I was going to try and install a clutch to go to a torque converter
Yes. The design of the TAV allows it to act as both clutch and constantly variable transmission. And, it will outperform go kart centrifugal clutches.
@@doktorscottdiabolical that’s probably my favorite part now lol I’m gonna buy one but probably change the springs I want it to engage earlier. I was also wondering can you change the gear to the other side of the pulley on the non-driven end? My sprocket aligns basically to the end of my engine shaft almost exactly and this is offsetting me 2-3 inches
On my kit I cannot change the location of the sprocket. It might be possible to re-design, but that would take a lot of machining and would still probably fail under load. I've heard of a kit that has the output chain sprocket on the engine side of the driven shaft. But I've never seen it.
You're the man what a great video
Can Anybody provide me knowledge on how to tap the key way out because mine is the normal 3/16 and i can’t put the pulley on without making the key way in the shaft bigger, any help would be appreciated thanks
Where does a guy buy just the machined spacer & bolt to secure the pulley to the shaft of the engine? I bought a 30 series to mount to the Predator 212. The spacer I have now is about 1/4” too long, so need a shorter one. Any help would be great! Thank you! Very useful video!
Good question! If you're in the US, I would try McMaster-Carr or Granger first. Look for something like "unthreaded spacer" or "shaft bushing". You might also try an online bearing & chain shop. I've had good luck with The Big Bearing Store. If you've got a GOOD local hardware or farm supply store (the kind that has an entire isle of just nuts and bolts), you might be able to find a few spacers/washers/nuts that you can stack up. Keep in mind that on a rotating shaft, thousandths of an inch count. Standard clearance of .005" is the thickness of a sheet of paper. Anything more (like the washer I used) will introduce additional vibration and wear. IDEALLY you would determine exactly how long your spacer needs to be. Then you would find a guy with a lathe or take it to a machine shop and have the spacer faced down to the correct length. Do you know any local kart racers, drag racers, retired machinists? They may be able to point you toward a friendly shop. If all else fails, clamp your spacer in a vise, cut it off a little long with a hacksaw, then carefully file it down to size with a mill file. That method sux, but it can work if you're patient and careful. I personally intend to turn a new spacer in the mini-lathe once I have the engine location and vibration issues worked out. But that's going to be a while. I got stuck rebuilding my back yard deck this summer.
Ok! Thank you for the reply! Good info!
@@brentd3443 Saw a video where the guy said he uses copper pipe as spacers and said works great. Just cut to whatever size spacing you need.
EXCELLENT idea, I've use PVC & CVP plastic pipe for some quickie setups @@ChristopherJones16
i put a torque converter on my mini bike but the clutch isn’t engaging do you know why?
Watch the "engine pulley" as you increase RPM. The side of it should move inward to engage the belt. If it's not moving, something isn't assembled correctly. If it is moving but just doesn't engage the belt, check that you have the belt installed correctly. One side has a bevel. If that isn't it, you may have a washer in he wrong place or something assembled in the wrong order.
No washer needed between the plate and sprocket?
I didn't use one initially. But clearance with the #40 chain was really tight and I did notice some chain rubbing. I'm not sure if I'll need to add shims on the next iteration. Still trying to find time to work on the vibration issue. Life has kinda gotten in the way over the last year or two.
My only FAULT with this clutch is :All those sealed bearings ! how long will they last? i want use on daily driver bicycle.
Those SEALED bearings are BEST for your use
Great video...how much power do you think it adds?
On the install, could you mount the plate so that the gear that the chain goes on to the left side instead of the right?
Not on my kit. The bearings are different I.D. sizes and the shaft is "stepped" so it only fits one way. I've heard of a kit that allows the driven shaft to be reversed, but I've never seen it.
That's good to know that one may be out there@@doktorscottdiabolical
Such a great video. Is the mounting plate necessary? I have a predator 212 with a 30 series off a 3203 yerf dog but it didnt come with the mounting plate
Not absolutely necessary. But it provides the driven pulley & jackshaft with the correct geometry in a convenient package.
Hey mate got a question.. I’m getting a 6.5 motor with a 19mm shaft..will 3/ 4 fit on with the torque converter with 19mm shaft?
Converting mm to bananas... 19mm = .748" so it "should". But... you won't really know until you try. All of the components on my drive pulley assembly had a pretty sloppy fit. And the kits are made in China, so maybe they're actually 19mm kits marketed to us Yankees as 3/4"?
Hey brother. I'm trying to build a motorized bicycle with a preditor 212. I need help finding a place to order the tourqe converter and sprocket kit. And stuff. Any suggestions?
I got my TAV on Amazon a few years ago. There are lots of sellers, mostly selling the exact same Chinese kit they bought wholesale. Do your homework, and try to find a not-so-scummy one. FYI: putting a 212cc engine in a conventional bicycle will probably require a lot of custom fabrication. Especially to the rear hub. It can be done, but it ain't easy. You're not going to find a kit for it. Also... vibration. LOTS of vibration.
Great concise video.
My old Carter go Kart has a 20 series torque converter setup. It also has the the Predator 212 engine. I guess I can change this out and go with the 30 series kit??
The knock-off "30-series" definitely will work with the Predator 212 wedge-head engine. Whether or not a 30-series will work in your application really depends on which Predator 212 engine you have, and the axle, sprocket, and driveline setup of your kart. You'll want to consider crankshaft diameter, chain pitch(size), Sprocket sizes (#of teeth and ratio of drive:driven), and available physical space and how much flexibility you have in mounting the unit. Each of those parts has to match the next. A TAV designed for a 3/4" crankshaft dia. won't fit on a 1" dia crankshaft. #35 chain & sprockets are not interchangable with #40, etc.
@@doktorscottdiabolical hello again... I think I may have figured something out instead of the replacement of the torque converter assembly. After I installed a new belt a couple of months ago I noticed belt dust everywhere around the engine and seat back. Last night I was looking at the alignment of the engine pulley and the axel pulley. The axel pulley sits 3/4” off center of the engine pulley. I’m guessing that could cause issues? The clutch seems to operate nicely when I have the tires off the ground and running the kart. I was told by a guy that because it’s a belt the alignment won’t matter. What do you think Doktor Scott? Also do they sell a shim or spacer set for the clutch where it mounts on the engine??
Alignment always matters. With v-belts, you can get away with a lot of misalignment. But it comes at the expense of heat, wear, and power loss due to increased resistance. With a TAV, I've read from multiple sources that the engine-side pulley alignment is critical. I had to shim mine quite a bit. I've never seen a specific shim/spacer made for this application. I'm planning to machine one at some point. Assuming you don't have a lathe, you might try searching for "shaft spacer" or "bushing stock" from McMaster-Carr, or Grainger, etc.
@@doktorscottdiabolical sounds good thx
@@doktorscottdiabolical one other thing. The pulley on the axel shaft that has a visible spring. Sometimes when riding it won’t go into the fast speed. I can sometimes here a clunk . Can that spring mechanism be cleaned and lubricated and make it function correctly??
15:40 isnt that steel bolt screwing into the end of the steel crankshaft?
Yes. But, almost all of the other bolts are steel screwing into an aluminum alloy.
Could you put a link of where you found the torque converter kit?
I bought mine on Amazon from a guy that was primarily selling boat stereos. That was several years ago and he's gone now. So, no links. But... these kits all appear to come from one or two factories in China. I recommend finding the least-sketchy dude with decent prices that seems like he's include all of the parts when he ships the kit. Because all of the kits are basically the exact same thing.
do you have low speed series for that kind of motor....
These converters engage around 1800 rpm. So to get a lower rpm output, you need reduction sprockets after the TAV. SMOG uses a 4-stage reduction. Axle speed is 17 rpm max. I have a video about it.
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I HAD TO CHASE THE INTERNAL THREADS ON THE FRONT PULLEY ATTACH BOLT HOLE ON THE MOTOR WITH (5/16 x FINE THREAD TAP ) AS THE CORRECT (BOUGHT SEPARATELY ) BOLT WOULD ONLY GO IN LESS THAN 2 TURNS . NOTE : THE WRONG BOLT THAT CAME WITH THIS FRONT CHINESE PULLEY WAS AN 8MM X125 ! VIDEO (IT WOULD GO IN LESS THAN ONE TURN -+ AND BIND)
EXCELLENT VIDEO ...........
Can that black shaft go through the opposite way for bicycle 🚲 chain to torque converter? They say get the 30 series but really don’t know 😅😂😂😂
Not on the kit I have. The bearings are different sizes on the left and right. And the shaft outer diameters are "stepped" to fit. So the shaft only fits one way. Also, the plate in my kit is only machined flat on one side. So it can't really be "flipped over" either. I've heard of a kit that has the output sprocket on the "engine-side" of the plate, i.e. not sandwiched between the plate and pulley. But I've never seen one.
I am doing a engine swap on my Coleman CT200U and I installed the engine and torque converter so where do I put the chain
is the belt slipping on low speed? seems pretty loose when on low speed. I notice it the plate is squeezing it when it spin at high speed.
Yes, but it's designed to. That's how this type of torque converter works. As RPM increases, centrifugal (centripetal, whatever) force causes the weights to move outward. These cam the two halves of the cone-shaped pulleys together, engaging and driving the belt, and also increasing the effective diameter of the pulleys and thus the drive ratio. This happens automatically and is self-regulating depending on engine rpm and load. If I filmed SMOG going uphill, you would see the pulley sides move apart as load increased and RPM decreased (that's what the springs do). That would decrease the drive ratio and have the same effect as shifting into a lower gear in a manual transmission. The idea is that engine rpm remains constant for a given power setting. It's not perfect, but it does an effective job.
@@doktorscottdiabolical thanks bro. I really appreciate the thorough explanation.
Hopefully somebody sees this lol.. where’s a good place to find extra machine spacers at 15:05
Will the 212 cc strong enough for a club car golf cart?
I don't have any experience with that combination. But, it's more than enough for SMOG, and he weighs 1320 lbs.
EXCELLENT VIDEO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
How do you change the belt in the field
Take one of the pulleys apart? Anyone got a good method for this?
Dose this convertor fit on Coleman ct200 u? also do you have to get engine riser for clearance?
I have a quick question, I have a Realtree 200 mini bike that I bought from Walmart customer returned it Walmart gave sold it to me at 50% off. So I brought it home and looking around I removed the spark to to see it and I noticed when I pulled to start the engine with the plug off, oil was coming out is that Normal or did I get a lemon.
Assuming oil was coming out of the spark plug hole... not necessarily anything wrong. Oil may have been added to the top end of the cylinder by the mfg as a corrosion preventative. Oil may also have seeped past the piston rings if the bike was sitting upside down or at an odd angle for more than a few minutes. That much oil (less than a tablespoon full) will burn off. You shouldn't see any more oil than that above the piston. With the ignition off, try pulling the motor through a few revolutions. If it doesn't lock up, turn on the ignition and fuel and try starting it. It'll probably smoke like a train for a few seconds. If it keeps on smoking after a minute or more, then there may be internal damage like a broken piston ring or broken valve stem, etc.
Nice video I’ve done a lot of these and you did a great job
Great video
What size bolt did you use for the clutch out of your own collection? I've broken 3 bolts off so far while driving the kart.. I believe now with your help it was because of a off line pulley set up. I used a flat bar and I needed another washer to line them up.
The stainless steel bolt that threads into the crankshaft in this video is nominally 2" long. It actually measures 1-15/16" from the underside of the cap to the end of the bolt. That's what worked with the setup and washer stack that I used in the video. Your kit and setup may be different. The thread standard on my motor is 5/16"-24 tpi (SAE fine). BUT, that's for a Predator 212 sold in the USA. I would expect that in every other part of the world, the crankshaft would be tapped for a metric thread standard.
What size is the crank shaft bolt came in your kit?
I don't recall what came with the kit, but the crankshaft on my engine is tapped 5/16"-24tpi. I would expect engines not sold in the USA to be tapped metric. As far as the length of the bolt, I think I've answered that somewhere in the comments with an exact measurement (2 1/2 - 3 1/2 inches???). But what I'm seeing is that different kits may need different length bolts, and even the same type of kit can have significant variations. Also, the thickness of the spacer used to align the belt will make a difference. Keep in mind that any bolt can be "shortened" by cutting a bit off the end with a hacksaw or angle grinder.
Should be a washer between the mounting plate and the sprocket.
Thank you Scott. My kit's instructions never indicated the correct direction the outer sheave for the drive pulley, and apparently I didn't get lucky enough to first stumble upon a YT video that showed this, either. Don't ask me why I assumed it backwards, perhaps I was looking more at it from the outside, I don't know. I installed the flat side correctly, but flubbed the beveled sheave since the side with the springs is also beveled and I assumed they'd expand upward somehow?
With the belt riding against that center section that's grooved I instantly began to shred the outside of the belt. What's interesting is that the other salient feature was that the driven pulley was always locked with the drive pulley. So I couldn't even start the engine unless the rear wheel was off the ground.
And so ... I went looking for what causes these torque converters to always be engaged and getting sidetracked with all sorts of red herrings about belt length (hey, it's a fixed length here) and "faulty pulleys" and so on.
Needless to say your video was the first I saw that showed how both pulleys operate at different RPMs.
Hello. On this video what is the outside diameter of the drive pulley. Looking for a cvt set up like this but need a certain diameter for clearance. Thank you.
On my kit, the largest diameter on the drive-pulley assembly is the outer cover. It is 4.900" or 124.5mm.