I've seen your 2 other videos on a few different apple tablets and I loved how descriptive you were and you did it again. I'am really thankful to you for your videos. This is a really good quality video about tech. You are great. Thanks.
Traveling with my new smaller iPad Pro from my kids is great. Weight constraints, having the pencil and ease of use with my drawing apps is so . It's great great to see what's out there with your videos..
About your CS6 scaling problem, this should work: Right click on photoshop icon > properties> compatibility > Change for all users Check: Override High DPI Scaling Behavior AND drop down to be determined by SYSTEM (not application which is the default) This should also work on other programms.
Excellent review. I've owned every Surface Pro since the original. This latest model is the pinnacle as to what a 2-in-1 device can offer. Outside of a larger display and a USBC port I can't think of how MS could significantly improve this device with regards to hardware.
It's a very attractive device. 5:05 The most impressive thing about this video is having Chrome, Photoshop, and Illustrator running at once, and be able to run anything, complete freedom. Ipad Pro can only dream of that, even in 2018 and spending almost twice the money.
Hi, Teoh. In Photoshop CC you can adjust the UI resolution for Hires monitors. To access the scaling feature in CC 2015, select Preferences>User Interface and set the UI scaling pop-up to "200%" for HiRes displays. But not in Photoshop CS6, I think. Saludos
Or Painter, and ArtRage Studio Pro, and ProMotion, and... to run on Ipad Pro. Normal ArtRage is actually available on Ipad. But it all tends to be just apps and not programs. You know what I mean?
Thanks for this review. I am not actually interested in buying a Surface Pro [5], and was only kinda curious about the pen. The software review was definitely helpful. I was really looking for a Surface Dial review). But the way you talk, the gentle background ambient noises, and the high quality video made it easy to watch the entire thing.
Great review. I still have the SP3, which is complicated by a broken hinge (unforced) and the i7, which constantly throttles when not in the cooling/sketch stand I use. I now know a great deal more about such devices, thanks to reviews like this, by real artists. Are you tempted by the dial?
+John Matthias I haven’t tried their dial before so I’m not sure how practical it is going to be. I really need to use it to get a better sense of how useful it is.
Curious, if you were taking a trip and had to choose either this product or an iPad Pro with Apple Pencil, which would you choose? (easy for me to choose my iPad Pro). Thank you, Teoh! Always a thorough review! Cheers! :)
+M.D. Campbell If it is a holiday trip, I’ll bring the iPad. If it is a work trip, the Surface Pro definitely. I could edit large numbers of photos, upload files easily, write on my blog, and if I’m at a pinch, I can even edit videos. When it comes to doing work, desktop apps still save more time than tablet apps. Of course I will have to bring my keyboard and mouse too. The new Files app in iOS has improved file management slightly, but it is still nowhere as functional as a desktop file system, or the Android file system.
That's great to know! Thank you, Teoh! I haven't updated to iOS 11 yet, as I always wait a while to see what bugs pop up. I appreciate your feedback! Cheers! :)
It's a tired argument as it depends on what you are doing. As he mentioned in the video, the UIs of the desktop versions are not touch environment optimized for intensive work on such a small working surface, and something Adobe needs to rectify as their software is only as good as it is capable of being used proficiently with such a small UI, which IMO is not adequate at all. As a professional creative I would never do any serious, time intensive work on such a small device be it an iPad Pro or Surface Pro (excepting illustration where Procreate has exceptional capability) and Adobe needs to take a cue from developers who are taking advantage of the iPad Pro's power and developing more robust and UI friendly mobile apps to exploit it. Otherwise, anything I would want to do in such a small working space I can do more than adequately with iOS apps like Affinity Photo, Paintstorm, Procreate, etc. ... anything else I'm heading to my desktop or a larger monitor extension as he mentioned.
Great reply! Thank you, Darren Albertson! One great use I've found for my iPad Pro is the Astropad app, which (if you're unfamiliar) allows me to use the iPad Pro with the Pencil as an input device - much like a Wacom - to use with my Mac desktop, so I basically can draw, edit, etc. in any Mac app including Adobe CC 2018, iMovie, Garageband, etc. using the Pencil, which is great. The app is limited and could use some enhancements (like making it fit to the screen I'm working on), but for the work I do, it's ideal. I also use my iPad Pro as a light table. I made a video on that, if interested! Cheers and thank you, again! :)
Thanks for the detail review Teoh! I am a MSP user, but sometimes I wonder if life would be better with such a small and light device! :) Regarding all the software you use - have you tried out Leonardo? It's like a stripped down version of photoshop, very light and nimble. It's my go-to sketching app these days. It has an infinite canvas like mischief, but is raster, not vector. Definitely worth a look.
Ok great... I think I saw like 100 videos and reviews haha! :D I am very excited.. I choosed the i5 4 gb 128 GB with a plan on 256 GB SD card. I have no intention on video edit... so thoose spec should be more than enough for my use because its not a gaming computer
I really appreciate the table you constructed which visually showed all the different specs and configurations of the variations for this unit as well as the prices! I want to ask, where were you able to buy the surface pro for 15% off. I want to buy one before I head off to college.
If your use is primarily Photoshop, Corel or any apps with pressure sensitive brushes, the Wacom is better. That's not to say that Surface Pro is not good, it's just that the Wacom is slightly more accurate, and the physical shortcut buttons on the sides are very useful. Battery life of this Surface Pro is much than the Wacom's 4 hours.
Do you have any comments with the widespread pen issue of the SP 2017 and also the backlight bleed? There seems to have quite an amount of complaints on reddit for both issues.
I'm still using it. Still holding up well. Two things to note, there is slight misalignment when you have both hands touching the sides while drawing. You can Google and see what others are saying. The second is the auto brightness occasionally flickers. It's a software issue that I have not figured out how to solve. Google that too.
Second hand unit already? Lucky you. I find everything compelling about the surface, except for the price.... the i5 - 8Gb - 256Gb model is well over $1600 here (excluding pen) and as you say that one is the best option, if it was priced more reasonably in Europe.
I just checked on Amazon Germany, it's listed as EUR 1249. On Amazon USA, it's USD 1257 currently. I just don't understand why Europe prices are so much higher. Mine was bought at EUR 964 (USD 1152) equivalent, not including the pen.
Worst laptop_surface pro 4:I am a student and uses surface pro 4. Just recently the screen of my laptop started flickering and now the screen is totally unusable. I need to connect to an external display to read texts without the flickering screen. It just started few months back, I did everything Microsoft tech guys asked including hard reset..still the problem persists...and i dont have a warranty anymore The customer service are now suggesting replacement- ohh yeah., its gonna cost 450Euros.. Microsoft...u guys made the laptop without much R&D...please own your mistakes..thats what a good company do (if you dont remember).. hope that surface line up doesn't end up like surface phones Otherwise you will loose your customers...We are the ones giving reviews..( i have already reviewed many places the same way)...Remember-Samsung still has their name even though they pulled out their note 7. "In a survey of 90,000 tablet and laptop owners, Consumer Reports found that roughly 25 percent of Surface users have encountered “problems by the end of the second year of ownership.” Those problems include freezing, unexpected shutdowns, and touchscreen response issues."( courtesy THE VERGE).. Ohh yeah I would include screen flickering to this list..
I have personnaly a problem with the 2017 Pen... The previsualization on the screen when the pen isn't touching it is few milimeters away from where it actualy draws when I'm touching it, and that's very annoying, as I can't do such things as precise lineart or even a clean sketch I was wondering if someone had a solution ? I contacted the support but they haven't found any solution so...
+Kimi Synth I'm not sure what you mean. The cursor should be directly beneath the tip. Any misalignment means there is some problem, either with software or hardware. If you can bring your pen and try on other Surface products, you can see if it is a problem with your pen.
Here is a link to the issue answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpro-surfhardware/intermittent-pen-inaccuracy-when-hand-is-on-the/28ef8566-0003-4c68-a964-6c2562423eb0
Kimi Synth This might seem like a dumb/obvious suggestion, but just in case - have you gone into the pen settings and re-calibrated it? To where you have to touch the four corners of the screen a few times? It could be you had your hand a certain way when you originally calibrated it, causing it to be off.
I want a pen like the one for the ipad pro but I also want a device that's not only an expensive toy and that's suitable for work. What is the better choice for artists if I would cast aside the work argument?
Hi Teoh. I really like your videos. I just bought a second hand SP17 same as you. Can you recommend a better pen than the new surface pen with better button functionalities? I just mainly use it for notetaking. Thank you so much!
Surface Pen has the best pressure sensitivity support on Surface products. If you're looking for extra shortcut buttons, maybe check out the Wacom Express Key Remote www.parkablogs.com/picture/review-wacom-express-key-remote-windows-tablet-cintiq-intuos-pro
Thanks Teoh. So it really is worth it to invest on the new Surface Pen. The black version costs $119 on Amazon so I'm kinda thinking twice about it. But I'm already saving up for it. Anyway I noticed that you're using a body casing for SP17, can you send me a link on that as well? Thanks!
But she is right. I came here specifically to see if you have the same jitter, wobble and offset issues with this particular setup (Surface Pro 2017 and new (!) Surface Pen). Because this is exactly the issue everyone is having in aaaaall the other reviews. But apparently some people do not have those issues. I am just gonna buy one then and return it if it doesn't work, I guess. Nice review!
Hello Teoh, I am just wondering if you have noticed any lightbleed or a black line running on your screen? There were a lot of complains about the screen having lightbleed and black horizontal line on the screen issues.
Mine doesn't have those issues thankfully. I did some research and saw many complaints about lightbleed or screen issues but I don't see any with mine.
Hi Teoh ! I am also a artist who works on digital art but I also want to use this tablet for photogrpaphy post production. Now in both the cases the file becomes heavy especially while doing photo bashing for concept art so my question is whether it can handle those heavy files smoothly? There are some reviews I checked which are not in favor even after using this high configuration machine. What do you suggest?
+Neil Gurung I'm not sure how heavy is considered heavy. What file sizes do you usually work with? It really comes down to how much RAM the unit has. Processor is definitely fast enough.
Hi Teoh! Thank you for the video. I have the Surface Pro 7 and I'm looking for the latest Surface Pen model. Is that model released in June 2017? Or is there a newer model? Which is the model and the part number of the platinum color?
Surface Pen is the best pen for Surface products. If you want cheaper stylus, consider Adonit Ink. www.parkablogs.com/content/artist-review-adonit-ink-vs-microsoft-surface-pen-2017
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Still waiting for the Samsung Galaxy book (10 and 12 inches), another windows tablet. Its released in America, but still hasn't reached the shores of Singapore (no idea why). It has better connectivity like USB type c and the screen is much better. With the added advantage of having the pen and keyboard shipped with the device. Something to look forward to. I hope.
In PS CS6 you can only make the UI text bigger, but that may not make much of a difference in such a high res display. That's not Microsoft's fault, though, nor a problem related to this tablet in particular.
+allluckyseven The CS6 user interface can be made bigger, but they will appear pixelated. And the graphic file will also be pixelated, and there is no way to check and confirm the sharpness of the file.
Hi Teoh, Thanks for such a nice review! I am looking for a tab which helps me taking better notes. Is Samsung tab S3 better than Surface Pro 2017 with respect to note taking quality ? Considering price I prefer Samsung tab S3. It will be great help if you can let me know your view on this. Additionally it will be very helpful if there is review of tab S3 Vs Surface Pro 2017 with respect to note taking (Similar to one you did for Surface Pro 2017 Vs Ipad Pro). Thank you!
If it's just for taking notes, Tab S3 is much cheaper. But at that price, check out the iPad 2018 with Apple Pencil too, which is also great at taking notes.
Thank you very much for your quick reply. Another reason I prefer Samsung Tab S3 is it's connectivity - USB and micro SD. I am not in hurry. I am also planning to wait for Samsung Tab S4 as there are hints that it will be released by September. Any information do you have on this ? I have a question. Please help me by answering this. When it comes note taking how much do you rate (0 - 100 points) for iPad 2018 iPad Pro Samsung Tab S3.
I would say Apple Pen is still slightly better. But if you can't compare side by side, you probably won't be able to tell the difference. The new Surface Pen has improved a lot.
With Photoshop, it does not lag much. But the other tablet apps, e.g. Sketchable or Artrage, are slightly more responsive. When I'm doing fine detail cross hatching lines, there's a split second before the lines actually follow the pen tip. But actually, this is not very different from the iPad Pro when it comes to sketching really fast.
Note taking on Surface Pro feels slightly different than the iPad Pro because of the tip of the pen. Surface Pen has a softer but firm tip, like a felt tip. Apple Pencil has a hard tip. Both are able to capture handwriting very accurately so there's not going to be any issues when it comes to taking notes.
I ordered the 256 one and today it showed up and it was the cheaper one im so mad and it was in the right i notesed it after i hade it all setup and it was all ready to use i even allread bought the secrty niw need to retune it and rebuy sucrty all becase they put it in the ring box aaaaaa
Hi there! I have a question, I want the tablet for digital painting. But I can only afford the 4gb ram :"( is it enough? How is the performance different?
Teoh, I have issues with new surface pen ,the pressure not working on my Photoshop cs6 and Krita, but on Clip studio paint and Medibang works good.How to fix it?
I'm not sure if Wintab is included inside that file. Anyway, you can install those because they are updates. After installation, go to "Control Panel->Uninstall a Program" to see if Wintab has been installed. If not. you can download from here www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49498
@@teohyc It is on sale. The price for the surface pro wtih these configurations is around 500 euros. Don't u think the performance of the processor is good enough?
@@vagnerfurtadomaia Processor is fine. But more RAM is better as Windows also uses RAM. The more programs you open, the more RAM it uses. Check out Lenovo Miix tablets also.
My surface Pro 4 Pen works fine with some apliccations. But I've an issue using the surface Pro 4 pen in Geogebra. The pen doesn't work as it ussually does witn one note for example. I have to draw and do everything with a regular mouse or with my finger. Now I also notice that it fails in writting even in testing options provided by windows. But is fine with some applications specially Onenote. Battery is at 65%. I need ideas to fix it.
Wich surface pro would you say is the best for drawing? And is there a better tab like the surface maybe Acer switch? I want a good mobile tab but no I pad. Which would you say ist the best?
Out Of Curosity I have this tablet but how do you get pressure sensitivity to work on medibang because when I use pen their no pressure lol And When I use Krita animation software it doesnt work pls help
Great review! I was about to buy the new surface pro but then I saw that it's not possible to disable the cursor of the pen. For me the cursor is really annoying when taking notes, that's why I think I'll go with the ipad pro, even though it's much more limited compared to the surface pro
I don't understand why a company would make something like this without including a locking stand. Seems like that should've been a top priority to me.
Is anyone else experiencing a cursor jump with their Surface Pen in some apps. In my case, my Marquee tools in Clipstudiopaint seem to be snapping away from my cursor whenever the pen isn't perfectly perpendicular to my Surface Pro's drawing surface. I've heard it might be related to the Tilt sensitivity in the new pen. It's quite annoying. Until Microsoft offers a way to switch off the Tilt or Celsys updates CSP, I might need to switch my stylus. Before this Surface Pro, I had been using a Wacom Companion and two smaller Samsung tablets, so I prefer a lighter stylus with more butttons. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
watched so far so many videos but still not convinced.. I would like to replace my old pc and want to use it to do video editing (Adobe premiere) and use krita and draw a bit.. do you think the i5 8gb of ram will be enough? or should I absolutely go for the i7 16gb? (notice I come from old i5 4gb ram 128gb ssd) thanks
8gb RAM is suitable for editing 1080P videos. 16gb for 4K videos. Basically, 1gb RAM for every 1GB in file size. My 4K videos are usually around 4-8GB. Surface Pro is not the most appropriate computer to get for video editing. The cooling system is not as good compared to laptops or desktops obviously. And editing videos generate a lot of heat. But if you want a system that you can draw on as well, there's not many options though. The other option is the most expensive Surface Book 2.
Hi Teoh our company issued new Microsoft surface pen, for Microsoft Surface Pro(2017), Surface Laptop, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Book and Surface3. with 1024 Levels of Pressure Sensitivity. could you help to make video review on TH-cam?
What kind of tablet would you recommend when drawing comic/manga series? I'm asking because i'm considering to get a tablet but i'm not sure yet which one would be the most ideal one.
My experiences haven't been as good, some parts of the OS like the settings app and photos app take seconds to load and sometimes taps aren't registered.
Can you please stop doing reviews when using outdated software like Adobe CS5? Modern Adobe apps work perfectly with touch and scale perfectly on the Surface Pro. Half your review is basically useless.
Good review but they are correct, the things you address as issues are already supported and fixed supporting touch. You should add a note or disclaimer.
And you are correct. The subscription model that CC has gone to has not been favorable or worth the price. The "innovations" simply are still not worth it to a business that already owns licenses for CS6 or in many cases CS5. I know it's the "cool thing" for new designers right out of school, but that's now how things work in business.
I've seen your 2 other videos on a few different apple tablets and I loved how descriptive you were and you did it again. I'am really thankful to you for your videos. This is a really good quality video about tech. You are great. Thanks.
Thanks 😁
Traveling with my new smaller iPad Pro from my kids is great. Weight constraints, having the pencil and ease of use with my drawing apps is so . It's great great to see what's out there with your videos..
About your CS6 scaling problem, this should work:
Right click on photoshop icon > properties> compatibility > Change for all users Check: Override High DPI Scaling Behavior AND drop down to be determined by SYSTEM (not application which is the default)
This should also work on other programms.
Yes, I always use this technique to scale softwares with my Surface Pro 4 resolution, which is very high. Thanks
Excellent review.
I've owned every Surface Pro since the original.
This latest model is the pinnacle as to what a 2-in-1 device can offer.
Outside of a larger display and a USBC port I can't think of how MS could significantly improve this device with regards to hardware.
+txmoney They could really iron out all the OS bugs. 😂
when he was rotating the page in sketchable it just looked like a real pice of paper, so smooth
+meninolucas Sketchable is very smooth. But not apps are as smooth. Really depends on the app.
It's a very attractive device. 5:05 The most impressive thing about this video is having Chrome, Photoshop, and Illustrator running at once, and be able to run anything, complete freedom. Ipad Pro can only dream of that, even in 2018 and spending almost twice the money.
Photoshop can sometimes be slow. Hopefully the 2018 Surface Pro has better performance
Hi, Teoh. In Photoshop CC you can adjust the UI resolution for Hires monitors.
To access the scaling feature in CC 2015, select Preferences>User Interface and set the UI scaling pop-up to "200%" for HiRes displays.
But not in Photoshop CS6, I think.
Saludos
+Raul Brozzi Thanks for the info. 😁
Would be great to see Procreate for Surface devices
friður Yes, Procreate needs to be released for other operating systems. It's the only reason I use my iPad Mini.
Teoh Yi Chie
, CAN YOU REVIEW THE SURFACE PRO 6 PLEASE
Or Painter, and ArtRage Studio Pro, and ProMotion, and... to run on Ipad Pro. Normal ArtRage is actually available on Ipad. But it all tends to be just apps and not programs. You know what I mean?
@@stevethea5250 It's the same with a bether CPU, thats all....
@@zombithd9680 same for drawing??
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Thanks for the in depth review and showing all the programs
Thanks for this review. I am not actually interested in buying a Surface Pro [5], and was only kinda curious about the pen. The software review was definitely helpful. I was really looking for a Surface Dial review). But the way you talk, the gentle background ambient noises, and the high quality video made it easy to watch the entire thing.
+Volair Thanks 😁
Great review. I still have the SP3, which is complicated by a broken hinge (unforced) and the i7, which constantly throttles when not in the cooling/sketch stand I use. I now know a great deal more about such devices, thanks to reviews like this, by real artists. Are you tempted by the dial?
+John Matthias I haven’t tried their dial before so I’m not sure how practical it is going to be. I really need to use it to get a better sense of how useful it is.
Thanks for showing all apps/software! ❤
No problem :-)
Thank you bro. You help me alot with this video.
Cool
Can you disable touch completely and only use the pen?
You can do it through the Windows Registry. You can find the process online.
excellent review, this tablet performs nicely. so you this this might replace my old laptop for drawing?
There should be no problems drawing on it.
Great review - thanks!
+Dr. Jerry Chong Thanks 😁
that good video, you are a good artist I like how you paint with the watercolors and how you use them, greetings
Curious, if you were taking a trip and had to choose either this product or an iPad Pro with Apple Pencil, which would you choose? (easy for me to choose my iPad Pro). Thank you, Teoh! Always a thorough review! Cheers! :)
+M.D. Campbell If it is a holiday trip, I’ll bring the iPad. If it is a work trip, the Surface Pro definitely. I could edit large numbers of photos, upload files easily, write on my blog, and if I’m at a pinch, I can even edit videos. When it comes to doing work, desktop apps still save more time than tablet apps. Of course I will have to bring my keyboard and mouse too. The new Files app in iOS has improved file management slightly, but it is still nowhere as functional as a desktop file system, or the Android file system.
That's great to know! Thank you, Teoh! I haven't updated to iOS 11 yet, as I always wait a while to see what bugs pop up. I appreciate your feedback! Cheers! :)
Ipad pro is only as good as the apps it can run. Procreate is good but Clip Studio and Photoshop is much better. Thank you.
It's a tired argument as it depends on what you are doing. As he mentioned in the video, the UIs of the desktop versions are not touch environment optimized for intensive work on such a small working surface, and something Adobe needs to rectify as their software is only as good as it is capable of being used proficiently with such a small UI, which IMO is not adequate at all. As a professional creative I would never do any serious, time intensive work on such a small device be it an iPad Pro or Surface Pro (excepting illustration where Procreate has exceptional capability) and Adobe needs to take a cue from developers who are taking advantage of the iPad Pro's power and developing more robust and UI friendly mobile apps to exploit it.
Otherwise, anything I would want to do in such a small working space I can do more than adequately with iOS apps like Affinity Photo, Paintstorm, Procreate, etc. ... anything else I'm heading to my desktop or a larger monitor extension as he mentioned.
Great reply! Thank you, Darren Albertson! One great use I've found for my iPad Pro is the Astropad app, which (if you're unfamiliar) allows me to use the iPad Pro with the Pencil as an input device - much like a Wacom - to use with my Mac desktop, so I basically can draw, edit, etc. in any Mac app including Adobe CC 2018, iMovie, Garageband, etc. using the Pencil, which is great. The app is limited and could use some enhancements (like making it fit to the screen I'm working on), but for the work I do, it's ideal. I also use my iPad Pro as a light table. I made a video on that, if interested! Cheers and thank you, again! :)
Good points about the buttons. I use autohotkey to get more granularity. Each of those buttons have a distinct hardware hook. But yea
Thanks for the detail review Teoh! I am a MSP user, but sometimes I wonder if life would be better with such a small and light device! :) Regarding all the software you use - have you tried out Leonardo? It's like a stripped down version of photoshop, very light and nimble. It's my go-to sketching app these days. It has an infinite canvas like mischief, but is raster, not vector. Definitely worth a look.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check out Leonardo
There is a registry fix available for older apps that scale very small... search and run it and you would be amazed!
I know that fix, but it will also make the files pixelated unfortunately
Hmm okey? are you happy with Surface Pro? I just ordered one I am very excited to recieve it!
It's a very good device. Only downside is sometimes can get quite hot because now they don't have built-in fans.
Ok great... I think I saw like 100 videos and reviews haha! :D I am very excited.. I choosed the i5 4 gb 128 GB with a plan on 256 GB SD card. I have no intention on video edit... so thoose spec should be more than enough for my use because its not a gaming computer
I really appreciate the table you constructed which visually showed all the different specs and configurations of the variations for this unit as well as the prices! I want to ask, where were you able to buy the surface pro for 15% off. I want to buy one before I head off to college.
Microsoft does provide education discount. I think it is 10%
nice review teoh. I am waiting for this review because of my curiosity. hmm so wacom mobile studio pro or surface pro better in your opinion?
If your use is primarily Photoshop, Corel or any apps with pressure sensitive brushes, the Wacom is better. That's not to say that Surface Pro is not good, it's just that the Wacom is slightly more accurate, and the physical shortcut buttons on the sides are very useful. Battery life of this Surface Pro is much than the Wacom's 4 hours.
Do you have any comments with the widespread pen issue of the SP 2017 and also the backlight bleed? There seems to have quite an amount of complaints on reddit for both issues.
My unit does not have backlight bleed issues. As for the the Surface Pen, so far it's fine. it has not hampered my work.
Appreciate your reply. Fellow Singaporean here :)
I need help I want to get a tablet for drawing and this was an option. Or I could get an iPad Pro which do recommend surface or iPad Pro
@Warren C. iPad Pro has always been better
I will wait for the Surface X
Nice review! Teoh's accent is interesting. Where are you from, Teoh?
Singapore
Can you rest you hand on the screen while you color with pen?
You can but palm rejection is not perfect
Hey! Is it still your main device? If it is, how is it holding? If it is not, why did you stop using it? Thanks
I'm still using it. Still holding up well. Two things to note, there is slight misalignment when you have both hands touching the sides while drawing. You can Google and see what others are saying. The second is the auto brightness occasionally flickers. It's a software issue that I have not figured out how to solve. Google that too.
Fantastic review for my needs, thank you!!
Does it feel like the pen is ice skating across the screen?
No. It has good friction
Teoh Yi Chie does it have better friction than the 2017 Apple Pencil?
@@hattercat_23 It has more friction compared to Apple Pencil
Teoh Yi Chie Okay, thanks so much!
Second hand unit already? Lucky you. I find everything compelling about the surface, except for the price.... the i5 - 8Gb - 256Gb model is well over $1600 here (excluding pen) and as you say that one is the best option, if it was priced more reasonably in Europe.
I just checked on Amazon Germany, it's listed as EUR 1249. On Amazon USA, it's USD 1257 currently. I just don't understand why Europe prices are so much higher.
Mine was bought at EUR 964 (USD 1152) equivalent, not including the pen.
Teoh Yi Chie I'm afraid it's all taxes, you got it for great price :-)
It's weird that my surface pro 5 didn't include the sim card slot 😅 its confusing me
Worst laptop_surface pro 4:I am a student and uses surface pro 4. Just recently the screen of my laptop started flickering and now the screen is totally unusable. I need to connect to an external display to read texts without the flickering screen.
It just started few months back, I did everything Microsoft tech guys asked including hard reset..still the problem persists...and i dont have a warranty anymore
The customer service are now suggesting replacement- ohh yeah., its gonna cost 450Euros..
Microsoft...u guys made the laptop without much R&D...please own your mistakes..thats what a good company do (if you dont remember).. hope that surface line up doesn't end up like surface phones
Otherwise you will loose your customers...We are the ones giving reviews..( i have already reviewed many places the same way)...Remember-Samsung still has their name even though they pulled out their note 7.
"In a survey of 90,000 tablet and laptop owners, Consumer Reports found that roughly 25 percent of Surface users have encountered “problems by the end of the second year of ownership.” Those problems include freezing, unexpected shutdowns, and touchscreen response issues."( courtesy THE VERGE)..
Ohh yeah I would include screen flickering to this list..
I have personnaly a problem with the 2017 Pen...
The previsualization on the screen when the pen isn't touching it is few milimeters away from where it actualy draws when I'm touching it, and that's very annoying, as I can't do such things as precise lineart or even a clean sketch
I was wondering if someone had a solution ?
I contacted the support but they haven't found any solution so...
+Kimi Synth I'm not sure what you mean. The cursor should be directly beneath the tip. Any misalignment means there is some problem, either with software or hardware. If you can bring your pen and try on other Surface products, you can see if it is a problem with your pen.
It happens when you touch the metal of the Surface Pro while resting your palm on the screen. There is a large thread about it on the MS forum.
Here is a link to the issue answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpro-surfhardware/intermittent-pen-inaccuracy-when-hand-is-on-the/28ef8566-0003-4c68-a964-6c2562423eb0
+Teoh Yi Chie What is the LOT number of your Surface Pro?
Kimi Synth This might seem like a dumb/obvious suggestion, but just in case - have you gone into the pen settings and re-calibrated it? To where you have to touch the four corners of the screen a few times? It could be you had your hand a certain way when you originally calibrated it, causing it to be off.
I want a pen like the one for the ipad pro but I also want a device that's not only an expensive toy and that's suitable for work. What is the better choice for artists if I would cast aside the work argument?
+DivineArtemis Maybe you can check out Samsung Tab S3. Or the older Samsung Tab A www.parkablogs.com/picture/review-samsung-galaxy-tab-s-pen
Samsung Galaxy Book 12, there is wacom pen and windows.
Hi Teoh. I really like your videos. I just bought a second hand SP17 same as you. Can you recommend a better pen than the new surface pen with better button functionalities? I just mainly use it for notetaking. Thank you so much!
Surface Pen has the best pressure sensitivity support on Surface products. If you're looking for extra shortcut buttons, maybe check out the Wacom Express Key Remote
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Thanks Teoh. So it really is worth it to invest on the new Surface Pen. The black version costs $119 on Amazon so I'm kinda thinking twice about it. But I'm already saving up for it. Anyway I noticed that you're using a body casing for SP17, can you send me a link on that as well? Thanks!
Wanted to get myself the Surface Pro but reading about all the jitter and offset problems of the new pen. Not gonna buy it...
Make sure you do not mistake Surface Pro 4 and Surface Pro 2017. The stylus performance is very different.
But she is right. I came here specifically to see if you have the same jitter, wobble and offset issues with this particular setup (Surface Pro 2017 and new (!) Surface Pen). Because this is exactly the issue everyone is having in aaaaall the other reviews. But apparently some people do not have those issues. I am just gonna buy one then and return it if it doesn't work, I guess. Nice review!
Could you report back your SP LOT number, after you tried it?
Will do!
Natter still waiting lol
Can you do god pixel art for like sprites with the pen? I'd like some pro tips with it
Hello Teoh, I am just wondering if you have noticed any lightbleed or a black line running on your screen? There were a lot of complains about the screen having lightbleed and black horizontal line on the screen issues.
Mine doesn't have those issues thankfully. I did some research and saw many complaints about lightbleed or screen issues but I don't see any with mine.
Hi Teoh ! I am also a artist who works on digital art but I also want to use this tablet for photogrpaphy post production. Now in both the cases the file becomes heavy especially while doing photo bashing for concept art so my question is whether it can handle those heavy files smoothly? There are some reviews I checked which are not in favor even after using this high configuration machine. What do you suggest?
+Neil Gurung I'm not sure how heavy is considered heavy. What file sizes do you usually work with? It really comes down to how much RAM the unit has. Processor is definitely fast enough.
Great video. I'm rrally interested to know which apps will enable 'save as eps'(vector)
+Matt Mooey Affinity Designer and Adobe Illustrator
Thanks Teoh Yi Chie
Hi Teoh!
Thank you for the video.
I have the Surface Pro 7 and I'm looking for the latest Surface Pen model.
Is that model released in June 2017? Or is there a newer model?
Which is the model and the part number of the platinum color?
Yeah, the 2017 is the latest model. Or check out Microsoft's website to look at what they are selling to see the latest model, just to be sure.
does it come with the pen? or need buy the both separately.
Pen is sold separately
Hello Teoh, original Microsoft surface pen is expensive, could you advise cheaper one?
Surface Pen is the best pen for Surface products. If you want cheaper stylus, consider Adonit Ink. www.parkablogs.com/content/artist-review-adonit-ink-vs-microsoft-surface-pen-2017
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Hi, can you review the Gaemon PD1560? Please
+Almighal Games If I get the chance. I don't have this.
Still waiting for the Samsung Galaxy book (10 and 12 inches), another windows tablet. Its released in America, but still hasn't reached the shores of Singapore (no idea why). It has better connectivity like USB type c and the screen is much better. With the added advantage of having the pen and keyboard shipped with the device. Something to look forward to. I hope.
+Aditya Pande It is still not out here in Singapore after months. Same applies to some other laptops and tablets too.
In PS CS6 you can only make the UI text bigger, but that may not make much of a difference in such a high res display. That's not Microsoft's fault, though, nor a problem related to this tablet in particular.
+allluckyseven The CS6 user interface can be made bigger, but they will appear pixelated. And the graphic file will also be pixelated, and there is no way to check and confirm the sharpness of the file.
Please, advise me. whether to buy the new surface pen for surface pro 2017, or buy some other?
+Oksana B Get the new Surface Pen. It's the best stylus for the SP 2017.
Teoh Yi Chie it is better than bamboo ink?
how much detail can I get writing compared to a graphite pencil on paper what about a pacer
It is very difficult to compare traditional media with digital. It really comes down to the software more than the hardware currently
Hi Teoh, Thanks for such a nice review!
I am looking for a tab which helps me taking better notes.
Is Samsung tab S3 better than Surface Pro 2017 with respect to note taking quality ?
Considering price I prefer Samsung tab S3.
It will be great help if you can let me know your view on this.
Additionally it will be very helpful if there is review of tab S3 Vs Surface Pro 2017 with respect to note taking (Similar to one you did for Surface Pro 2017 Vs Ipad Pro).
Thank you!
If it's just for taking notes, Tab S3 is much cheaper. But at that price, check out the iPad 2018 with Apple Pencil too, which is also great at taking notes.
Thank you very much for your quick reply.
Another reason I prefer Samsung Tab S3 is it's connectivity - USB and micro SD.
I am not in hurry. I am also planning to wait for Samsung Tab S4 as there are hints that it will be released by September. Any information do you have on this ?
I have a question. Please help me by answering this.
When it comes note taking how much do you rate (0 - 100 points) for
iPad 2018
iPad Pro
Samsung Tab S3.
Hi Teoh, could you please share, how/where I can find wintab driver?
You can just search Google, should be under Surface Pro 4 downloads.
Can’t believe he doesn’t have at least 250k subscribers
Not as easy to get subscribers as people think.
What about CC 2014, will it work on this?
It should work.
@@teohyc thanks for the help, I'm thinking to buy that in 2018
Which is better this pen or apple pen?
I would say Apple Pen is still slightly better. But if you can't compare side by side, you probably won't be able to tell the difference. The new Surface Pen has improved a lot.
Thanks
How does it feel when you draw fast strokes (almost like sketching) on Photoshop, does it lag?
Also does notetaking on Surface pro feel almost like note taking on the iPad pro
With Photoshop, it does not lag much. But the other tablet apps, e.g. Sketchable or Artrage, are slightly more responsive.
When I'm doing fine detail cross hatching lines, there's a split second before the lines actually follow the pen tip. But actually, this is not very different from the iPad Pro when it comes to sketching really fast.
Note taking on Surface Pro feels slightly different than the iPad Pro because of the tip of the pen. Surface Pen has a softer but firm tip, like a felt tip. Apple Pencil has a hard tip. Both are able to capture handwriting very accurately so there's not going to be any issues when it comes to taking notes.
Can the Surface pro pen be used on any touch screen such as a touch Acer touch screen monitor or can it only be used on a Microsoft surface pro?
+Paul Norwood It can only be used on the Surface products
Can the M3 processor version run Photoshop CS6?
Yes, but I think there may be lag when file gets big.
Oh thank you very much for your answer :)
the higher end i7 pro 5 DOES have a cooling fan..
I ordered the 256 one and today it showed up and it was the cheaper one im so mad and it was in the right i notesed it after i hade it all setup and it was all ready to use i even allread bought the secrty niw need to retune it and rebuy sucrty all becase they put it in the ring box aaaaaa
Sorry for my typing thats why its missed spelled
Hi there! I have a question, I want the tablet for digital painting. But I can only afford the 4gb ram :"( is it enough? How is the performance different?
With 4gb RAM, you cannot open many software. With more software open, things may start to be sluggish.
Teoh, I have issues with new surface pen ,the pressure not working on my Photoshop cs6 and Krita, but on Clip studio paint and Medibang works good.How to fix it?
Have you installed Wintab driver? Search for the download online.
I just found it, it works!
I'm not sure if Wintab is included inside that file. Anyway, you can install those because they are updates. After installation, go to "Control Panel->Uninstall a Program" to see if Wintab has been installed. If not. you can download from here www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49498
Do you think the lowest configuration (Core m3, 4gb ram and 128gb) is good enough for study porpuses?
I would definitely recommend at least 8GB RAM nowadays. Maybe check out Surface Go pricing?
@@teohyc It is on sale. The price for the surface pro wtih these configurations is around 500 euros. Don't u think the performance of the processor is good enough?
@@vagnerfurtadomaia Processor is fine. But more RAM is better as Windows also uses RAM. The more programs you open, the more RAM it uses. Check out Lenovo Miix tablets also.
My surface Pro 4 Pen works fine with some apliccations. But I've an issue using the surface Pro 4 pen in Geogebra. The pen doesn't work as it ussually does witn one note for example. I have to draw and do everything with a regular mouse or with my finger. Now I also notice that it fails in writting even in testing options provided by windows. But is fine with some applications specially Onenote. Battery is at 65%. I need ideas to fix it.
Wich surface pro would you say is the best for drawing? And is there a better tab like the surface maybe Acer switch? I want a good mobile tab but no I pad. Which would you say ist the best?
Surface Pro is good. Lenovo Miix 520 is more worth the money. th-cam.com/video/oBjvxuOz_ac/w-d-xo.html
I do not have the right click set-up here
And the ruler might make better straight line
Out Of Curosity I have this tablet but how do you get pressure sensitivity to work on medibang because when I use pen their no pressure lol
And When I use Krita animation software it doesnt work pls help
Just go into Medibang settings and look for the pressure sensitivity settings, which is not turned on by default for some reason.
Great review!
I was about to buy the new surface pro but then I saw that it's not possible to disable the cursor of the pen. For me the cursor is really annoying when taking notes, that's why I think I'll go with the ipad pro, even though it's much more limited compared to the surface pro
I don't understand why a company would make something like this without including a locking stand. Seems like that should've been a top priority to me.
Is anyone else experiencing a cursor jump with their Surface Pen in some apps. In my case, my Marquee tools in Clipstudiopaint seem to be snapping away from my cursor whenever the pen isn't perfectly perpendicular to my Surface Pro's drawing surface. I've heard it might be related to the Tilt sensitivity in the new pen. It's quite annoying. Until Microsoft offers a way to switch off the Tilt or Celsys updates CSP, I might need to switch my stylus. Before this Surface Pro, I had been using a Wacom Companion and two smaller Samsung tablets, so I prefer a lighter stylus with more butttons. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
watched so far so many videos but still not convinced.. I would like to replace my old pc and want to use it to do video editing (Adobe premiere) and use krita and draw a bit.. do you think the i5 8gb of ram will be enough? or should I absolutely go for the i7 16gb? (notice I come from old i5 4gb ram 128gb ssd) thanks
8gb RAM is suitable for editing 1080P videos. 16gb for 4K videos. Basically, 1gb RAM for every 1GB in file size. My 4K videos are usually around 4-8GB.
Surface Pro is not the most appropriate computer to get for video editing. The cooling system is not as good compared to laptops or desktops obviously. And editing videos generate a lot of heat. But if you want a system that you can draw on as well, there's not many options though. The other option is the most expensive Surface Book 2.
Hi Teoh our company issued new Microsoft surface pen, for Microsoft Surface Pro(2017), Surface Laptop, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Book and Surface3. with 1024 Levels of Pressure Sensitivity.
could you help to make video review on TH-cam?
could you draw for fun with 4gb of ram?
+ILikeSandwhiches Yes you can
What kind of tablet would you recommend when drawing comic/manga series? I'm asking because i'm considering to get a tablet but i'm not sure yet which one would be the most ideal one.
If you already have a computer, get the iPad Pro or iPad 2018. If you don’t have a computer, Surface Pro is good enough.
Samsung Galaxy Book 12 works better with the stylus (wacom)
+Kindly_Otter You're using that to create art?
My experiences haven't been as good, some parts of the OS like the settings app and photos app take seconds to load and sometimes taps aren't registered.
+IsoMacintosh I also have problems with the taps not registered. Very irritating
the jitter being even a thing on such expensive device that is basicly madr for drawing is ridiculous… Microsoft should go back to school.
damn... what a severe lag on photoshop .
The lag is with Photoshop, not with the Surface Pro.
Can you please stop doing reviews when using outdated software like Adobe CS5? Modern Adobe apps work perfectly with touch and scale perfectly on the Surface Pro. Half your review is basically useless.
I don't assume that everyone has upgraded to Adobe CC.
Good review but they are correct, the things you address as issues are already supported and fixed supporting touch. You should add a note or disclaimer.
And you are correct. The subscription model that CC has gone to has not been favorable or worth the price. The "innovations" simply are still not worth it to a business that already owns licenses for CS6 or in many cases CS5. I know it's the "cool thing" for new designers right out of school, but that's now how things work in business.
I wish the Surface Pro had Samsung's Galaxy Book Pen.