Here Lies: Your Outrage Against Zoella and Alfie Deyes - The JaackMaate Effect | TRO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2018
- Intro:
Today is the day in which I definitely take on something more challenging, not because it’s a hard topic to decipher, not because it’s even particularly controversial, but because I expect it’s going to dispute a prevailing narrative which has been accepted by many spectators, and also defending people who typically, I’d have no interest in defending, but here we are, half a year later, and after a fair few controversies, I think it’s high time we have a discussion.
This is Zoella, and this is Alfie Deyes, they are a pair of British vloggers, they are partners, and they are both relatively successful. Zoella is a lifestyle vlogger, who focuses on a variety of vlogs, primarily leaning towards the more beauty sort of content, make-up tutorials, item recommendations, all that jazz. Alfie Deyes, also known as PointlessBlogVlogs, makes videos on a broader range of topics, covering all sorts of things going on his life, which clearly appeals to some demographic.
These guys are proper classic TH-cam stars, back from the early 2010s, they’ve been around for a while. I’d heard of them, especially Zoella, she’s kinda inescapable, but have never taken sat down and watched one of her videos. I’m not quite her target audience.
They’re smiling, and happy, and often they’ll do collabs with other people who are smiling and happy, and everyone’s laughing, hahaha, joy to the world, isn’t everything fantastic?
In case you haven’t gathered, I don’t like them very much, nothing personal of course, but it’s no secret to those in my inner circle that I’ve loathed most vloggers for a while, their saccharine levels of glee seem extremely forced, and I find most of the content so vapid and meaningless. There is a video of them just messing around with a swimming pool, it has one million views, I mean I’m not gonna knock the views, but imagine spending your day sitting down watching someone set up a swimming pool. For me, it just seems like content for other people to live through, and although it can be cathartic in the short term for an audience, I’d always just encourage going out and grinding to afford a swimming pool yourself, this content always seems to leave a void for me, maybe that’s just who I am, but who I am affects how I feel.
However, that’s not the topic of the video today, I just wanted to get that off my chest, but now my chest, my abdomen, my rib cage, my trachea, my lungs, my bronchi, are completely clear, and we are ready to rock and roll.
You see, Zoella and Alfie Deyes are part of the British vloggers, crew, and here in the UK, we have a very nice little niche for them, not just in the vlogging community, but in the commentary community. It’s no secret that the British vlogging scene has kinda gone, many of the people like ThatcherJoe, Marcus Butler, Oli White, even the ones we’re talking about today, are “stagnating”, I was gonna throw Caspar Lee into that mix too, but since he made a video on the KSI drama, it seems he might just resurrect himself, but I guess we’ll see what happens on that matter. And ready to dance on the graves of these people are the commentators, which is something I’d normally welcome with open arms, I mean, who doesn’t love the chaos of calling people out for doing terrible things.
And in this instance the main targets were the titular characters of this little tale, good old Zoe, and Alfie here. Firstly, Zoe for her ill advised Christmas calendar that came in at a tasty 50 quid, and secondly Alfie, for another little stunt in which he quote “survived” on one quid a day, spoiler alert, he didn’t exactly play by the rules.
In these little escapades, it’s quite easy to see why people dished out the criticism fairly heavily, there were plenty of embarrassing moments to pick apart, especially when you’re going in with the level of precision that many commentators do. As I’ve said in previous videos, people in different communities have never been held to the same standards that we in commentary expect, so when commentators felt ravenous, the vlogging community was a buffet.
However, is it possible, that in spite of all the legitimate criticisms that could be levelled against these individuals, that mistakes were made. Admittedly, when the first lot of drama transpired against Zoella, I was completely on board for the ride, obviously I wasn’t making videos about it at the time, because it wasn’t really my thing, however, I lapped it all up because it was entertaining, and there was a feeling of righteousness. However, as the months went by I began to question whether it was all worth the passionate vitriol invested into the numerous videos, and by the time the second set of drama came around, I was convinced that this was a very neatly orchestrated ruse, how did it happen though?
JaackMaate Videos:
• ZOELLA'S £50 ADVENT CA...
• WHY ALFIE DEYES IS COM...
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Note that at 16:23 text indicates the video was called “Surviving off”, when actually it was “Living on”.
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Part 1 References - Jonathang
Zoella video clip - th-cam.com/video/xSGu_Ervro0/w-d-xo.html
Zoella video in reference - th-cam.com/video/xSGu_Ervro0/w-d-xo.html
Alfie Deyes Swimming Pool - th-cam.com/video/fC_xY4NRlik/w-d-xo.html
Caspar Lee KSI - th-cam.com/video/9LWnbTqc9y0/w-d-xo.html
Zoella Christmas Calendar Explanation - th-cam.com/video/QgipjpFJRTQ/w-d-xo.html
More Calendar Reviews:
th-cam.com/video/22_dJOJBgWM/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/6orfhP9V_Qc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/PCVtE3wRNPg/w-d-xo.html
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th-cam.com/video/u4CkLhrD5Zs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/6eI1qv7UhQA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/AQOivB5WpRY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5Oj6Hh24TQI/w-d-xo.html
Alfie Deyes 1 Quid video: th-cam.com/video/iVyyi-YgA9w/w-d-xo.html
Part 2 References - YellowSyrup
Zoella Christmas Calendar Explanation - th-cam.com/video/QgipjpFJRTQ/w-d-xo.html
Caspar Lee - th-cam.com/video/PCVtE3wRNPg/w-d-xo.html
More Calendar Reviews:
th-cam.com/video/22_dJOJBgWM/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/6orfhP9V_Qc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/PCVtE3wRNPg/w-d-xo.html
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th-cam.com/video/AQOivB5WpRY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5Oj6Hh24TQI/w-d-xo.html
With regards to calendar items totalling 20 quid:
twitter.com/YasmineSumman/status/929468553857830912
www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4904545/zoellas-50-advent-calendar-goods-20/
Zoella Merch: us.feelunique.com/brands/zoella-beauty
www.superdrug.com/microsite/zoella-beauty-range
Zoella response to HelloWorld: twitter.com/Zoella/status/924341885770063872
Hello World: www.wetheunicorns.com/news/zoella-hello-world-backlash/
Part 3 References - Slacker
Alfie Deyes 1 Quid video: th-cam.com/video/iVyyi-YgA9w/w-d-xo.html
Videos on Alfie Deyes:
th-cam.com/video/ZeaFSU1yAwU/w-d-xo.html
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th-cam.com/video/wigBBjYolBU/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/TtdwuK6VcDY/w-d-xo.html
Rich House, Poor House: th-cam.com/video/6G4gSaYJr2Y/w-d-xo.html
Part 4 References - Coleo
JaackMaate on Zoella: th-cam.com/video/rA91BaJWYQw/w-d-xo.html
JaackMaate on Alfie Deyes: th-cam.com/video/zMIQvtCMe4k/w-d-xo.html
JaackMaate old video on Alfie: th-cam.com/video/2CQZo2rq-aI/w-d-xo.html
National Minimum Wage Statistics: gyazo.com/a1dcc23b62cc860444544f7cb2b15217
Example of reply to Alfie Deyes’s Tweet (make sure to highlight time): twitter.com/OllyBrookfield_/status/1007748623218724864
JaackMaate’s Tweet (highlight time in comparison): twitter.com/Jaack/status/1007696348693528578
The Right Opinion Yet another great video, keep up the good work, man.
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Despite it's exaggerations, Jack's video on Alfie was a comedic masterpiece, to say the least.
I read the name Alfie and, Lord, what I remember isn't this guy
i never saw him before, i go see that video and a cupple more and his type of content is for me just unbearable like any other vlog
I think jackmaaates content is supposed to be exaggerated we all enjoy a bit of ranting and humour still love him
I think I’ve watched that video at least 8 times. I laugh every single time.
Jack's very inspired by Ricky Gervais. Complete sarcastic prick humour where exaggerations compliment the sarcastic tone. I love a sarcastic prick.
I really like the overall message and production of this video. However, as someone familiar with beauty brands I find something missing with your critique of the calendar. There seem to be two types available 1) expensive calendars of candles, perfumes, makeup etc and 2) cheap toy or chocolate calendars. The expensive, and usually also the cheap, advertise what they include on their websites if not the box because the companies acknowledge the high price. This high price is justified because the products are often better value that buying them individually. Now Zoella’s team made two mistakes, the first is not disclosing what you are selling. The second is about the branding point you make, which is true but not in this instance. A White Company candle is impossible to duplicate for cheaper (most expensive companies do not private label as your video insinuates). And then if you choose to buy it individually, you usually pay more per gram. However it is possible to duplicate the majority of Zoella’s advent gifts exactly, in quality, design etc. Therefore there is no value for money, no transparency of advertising, no compatible quality, and yes no brand value from her product. Additionally, she advertises a cheap calendar as an expensive one (as per the two definitions above) and what’s more, she does so to children who will use their parents’ money to buy it. This point seemed brushed over, but I really like your style and have subscribed :)
TRO is at his most British when he says he doesn't like the excessive smiling. I am here for it.
I feel like the reason people were criticising zoella's calendar wasn't because of just the price, but you didn't know what was inside it before you bought it. the calendar was expensive so I imagine people expected expensive items to be in it. it's like a £50 lootbox that contains notepads and confetti
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I don’t agree with the calendar section. I think she used cheap products and that was the issue. Quality over quantity is what I always value in products. Sure nice branding is a bonus.. but a fancy notepad is still a cheap ass notepad. People want to feel like the value of the products in the calendar far out weigh the price point of it. And that’s the appeal of those calendars.
I'm pretty sure a point he made was that the item's were poor for the calendar, specifically saying something about a branded notepad is still just a notepad
I think in the long run if it had her name on it...that's not really that bad of a deal. Like he said you pay for the name these days, not the actual purpose. I agree with him picking her and not throwing hundreds of other you tubers, celebrities and corporations in there is not really right
Lots of items are sold far above the price it took to make it, but the branding is what make people buy it , such as apple products. What you said is simply subjective. With items such as calendars, branding and aesthetic is key.
And to be fair you can have higher quality notebooks - thicker paper, nicer cover. Putting the logo on it would have been less about price than effort. That crappy notebook just seemed so sloppy and careless. The tween fans the calendar was aimed at are the easiest market to please - and they didn’t bother to do that.
Zoe’s reaction to the controversy was also really shitty. She shifted blame very childishly without being able to see that with all the financial advantages of having her name on a product the buck should ultimately stops with her when something goes wrong too...
Honestly I fully agree that selling such crap for a price as large as they were was a bad idea especially with the mystery implying there is something in there worth its price and if people can get angry at a lot box that gives you nothing of value you can do the same for the calendar. My main problem is when grown adults over 18 came out in droves being offended at theee being so much money, when they should have been angry about how she advertised and attempted to in a way trick her younger Audience out of money. She had a right to sell at any price and if some sad sap decides to buy a 50 pound calendar thats on him but when a child Is influenced into that kind of transaction it's just plain scummy. I didn't hate the product or its price I hated its advertising.
When you're talking about Alfie's "Living off £1" video (about 18:00 mins in) I think you might be lacking some context - the Live off £1 For A Day idea was a challenge, specifically to highlight the difficulty of living in poverty. Several TH-camrs had done it before and every one of them (that I'd seen anyway) had a message about poverty in their video because that was the point of the challenge. He either knew this and didn't think it was important enough to put in his own video, instead showing off all the perks of being a rich successful youtuber, or he missed the whole point of the challenge (which wouldn't surprise me based on the level of intellect he portrays in his videos)
DaisyBryar This is exactly it. I believe this was started by a charity that deals with poverty stricken families to show the realities of poverty. Alfie missed the point once again, and shows this level of out of touch first world Mentality. People are angry that he turned a very serious topic into a light hearted, first world problem vent, and he doesn’t even complete the challenge, and when he changed the title to ‘spending one pound’ it’s still false because he bought a damn Gucci bag.
I address the idea that he was "venting" separately, which is an idea that I thoroughly disagree with. And think was twisted perception of him simply reacting to the changes that he had to make in his life.
With regards, to the one dollar/pound a day videos, they've been going for a while, and I don't believe there is a set rule with how you should do them. Plenty of people have made videos pretty central to their lives, whether they've created a narrative around poverty or not, Alfie's video was just done badly, and I completely concede that.
ChadWithAJ's video is monetised with five mid rolls, and a like goal. People would've roasted Alfie alive for that. In fact I find the narrative inserted that there are people suffering more manipulative in those instances.
"People are suffering, btw let's hit 15k likes". It's a purposeful attempt to elicit sympathy while still trying to pull numbers.
Another one of my favourites was Denzel Dion's, who literally said "I'm gonna switch it to 5 dollars a day so we can be realistic here" before talking about how half the world's population lives under 2 dollars.
These things make the poverty points seem like hooks rather than actual compelling moments. So forgive me if I don't find Alfie Deyes an exception to the rule, considering that these videos came out before his.
Another example are videos like LivingBobby's, whhich are incredibly well made and useful, but there wasn't allusion to poverty, in fact, it was clear it was a video centralised on helping people save money. Of course this applies to people in poverty too, just not exclusive.
Does it make everything that Alfie Deyes did right? Of course not, but to assume there was some set in stone formula because of who did it first seems disagreeable to me because many people had already branched out the concept.
Well that implies that he actually knew about the "challenge" previously. He could of just thought it was a cool concept of a video and did it. Not doing any research prior to his video.
Then again I haven't seen the original video, so I can't say for certainty.
It's a symptom of a problem Alfie has always had, he says and does dumb shit and thinks he can get away with it because he is young. I'm sorry that shit worked when he was 21 but not now. He never tries to educate himself or do better despite saying he will. Imo this is the straw that broke the camels back.
Dystopian Overture didn’t he donate money to homeless shelters because of his ignorance? Give the guy a break he might be dumb and sometimes out of touch but it’s obvious he’s not malicious
Some of the reasons for the hate for Zoella: she made a £50 advent calendar filled with junk. She then LIED about her not having a say in the price tag. That is simply NOT how these deals work, it was confirmed by Boots, who sold it, who she tried to put the blame of the price on. She disregarded all the criticism and said ''I didn't do it''. And she did.
Some of the hate for Alfie: with the £1 stuff, he completely ignored the point of the challenge, decided to buy games, earrings, a beard comb for some mysterious reason, etc, in the video where he was ''living off £1'', called it ''pocket money'' while there are plenty of people to whom that's all the money they have for food. The point is the huge level of disassociation. Yes, spending less than £1 on food does not mean not spending money on other things, but WHY did he think that putting those clips of him buying that stuff in THAT particular video would be a good idea?
They both were not born to rich families. But they are so disassociated with the general population because they CAN buy whatever they want and these prices mean nothing to them. But they are trying to be relatable to teenagers? How?
I agree, I used to enjoy these videos and felt that fair enough, they have worked hard for their money they deserve it, but lost all respect because of the absolute ignorance of the 'living on £1' video. Many people use this challenge as a charity fundraiser, along with the £5 for a week challenge, and raise awareness of the lives of people living in poverty, the international poverty line is $1.90 a day, which over 700million people live on. He could have raised awareness and done some good from his platform and although he has apologised, I just can't be doing with him now, not to mention the amount of plastic bottles he uses every day, for god sake buy a water filter.
Ilona L -- Well said
Ilona L. I Applaud you.
Well, there is no direct proof that was his intention. When you're in a higher class standing you actually tend to do stuff like eat out often, so as TRO pointed out it seems he was just trying to make it without spending more than that on food or drink in the day, and that is completely fine. If you CHOSE to assign it meaning or context not given, stated, or otherwise implied except by a title that was changed, then that really belongs in your own assumptions, he is not responsible for your assumptions he is only responsible for his actions, that's it. The video was armless....Erm I mean harmless, yes the H one. All joking aside, I came from pretty extreme poverty, living under bridges and in parks at points, it is STUPID to be offended by such trivial nonsense when there are people targetting children here on youtube. If you want to say the video was retarded, that's fine. But to try to force a narrative on assumptions of what the challenge would be is not fair at all. For example, if I was challenging myself to level a character in a game X way, just because there's a challenge close to it, doesn't mean I am doing THAT challenge unless I say otherwise. In this case, I think it was more of it just happened to be similar to the challenge you're talking about, rather than intentionally the challenge. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Not spending =/= poverty. Not spending = not spending = any number of reasons from saving up, to challenging oneself in hopes to reflect on a lifestyle, to just not wanting to spend 10 bucks on a drink that's worth 3. (This s a copied reply because it fits two people's post, and I don't want to rewrite the entire damn thing. This is about your second pots.)
As for the calendar again branding. When you go to the store go to the cereal selection, pick up a named box of your favorites, or really, compare the price to a generic store-brand version. You WILL notice a price difference, and not inherently see an improvement of quality. Because the brand itself increases the value to us. The complaint about it being junk is a personal opinion from you, and that's fine. I'm not out here to defend people I never knew existed until this video, but I am out to defend fairness, If we hold them to this standard, no youtuber can charge over the very cheap price they're paying factories to make their shit. That 20 buck shirt, is probably worth less than 5. We must apply the same rules to everyone. IF we are going to punish her for the calendar being priced for her name, then every other thing in our society like this must ALSO be punished. No more iphones, named brand clothes, food, shoes, etc.
Lastly, they weren't disassociated from anything, because a lot of what you said implies an intent that was not there, nor has it been proven. You are pointing at capitalism and some of the stuff that happens and blaming the people playing the game, rather than the game itself. And for the challenge video, as I said in length nowhere did he say " I am pretending to be homeless" the challenge was about spending on food, a specific thing. You have not established he was doing some premade challenge, you have not established that him spending low money on food is a direct jab at anyone that isn't "rich'. All that has been established was his goal was to spend little money on food. People seem to be applying their own assumptions based on opinion, rather then what was actually done and said, as a result, two youtuber's are being defamed for minor things. Did you know there are active predators ON youtube doing stuff like trying to have people murdered for breaking up with them? So why people chose to be upset that someone jacked up the price of merch with their name, and someone doing a challenge to spend 1 buck on food, instead of people praying on children is beyond me. People want to hate these people and will find a way, even if it isn't fair, logical or reasonable to blame them for society and things they never said nor did.
This 100%.
You are absolutely correct.
a lot of beauty calendars are super expensive, but thats cos the items themselves are really expensive so you still get a good deal, unlike zoe's
What really bugged me about Alfie’s 1 pound is that he brought stuff and said it wasn’t out of his 1 pound budget 😂😂
He made it clear that it was supposed the be 1 pound for food and drink and the only problem with his video was the clickbait title.
@@cjcathead2468 I agree. Reason why most people are infuriated by the video is because of the unnecessary inclusion of everything else (e.g. buying games, personal trainers) and his poor manner of speech in reference to his limitations i.e. the water. I am definitely enlightened by what was highlighted in this video but it still doesn't change my opinion of Alfie in that video, because he edited and uploaded it, meaning conscious decisions were made and could have been avoided. I guess I could give him the benefit of doubt that his lack of EQ overlooked the fact that he included stuff that was not relevant to the challenge and just painted him as a bad guy being insensitive towards this challenge
@@NicholetteChua the only reason people were infuriated by this video is because they had too much time on their hands.
It kinda felt like some of jaackmaate's jokes were really overanalysed? He does exaggerate a lot but idk I was never under the illusion that his jokes were meant to be factual or that he was creating a false narrative about Alfie or Zoe, they were just exaggerated for entertainment value, his main points about Alfie being ignorant and a bit clueless were what I took as being the real issues with the video, the rest of what was said felt more like his style of humour than anything else tbh
But if you take issue with the fact that Alfie's audience might take the video the wrong way and misunderstand things, than that issue must also be had with jaack's video.
Not really. Jokes are made from exaggeration. You can’t compare jacks jokes which draw attention to how ludicrous he is by exaggerating, to his serious idiotic statements
Nah, I found a reupload of the alfie deyes video, and holy fuck are people so self-righteous and pretentious on it it's actually insane.
I agree, I don't think you can treat jokes as literal serious commentary. They're made to be more funny than factual. Like I knew the parents wages thing was just a funny way to dig into the price of the calendar. I never once thought low income families were being hurt by this.
Whilst it is refreshing to hear a different stance on this whole fiasco, I still feel as though these vloggers are still exploiting their younger fans. Regardless, everyone is allowed to think what they want.
Lily May Alfie stole a beanie idea from a fan and then blocked her. The tweets are easily found. Literally all she wanted was credit and he’s never addressed it.
every youtuber is exploiting their fans thats how they are all rich
Kay Dan Is this guy who made this video exploiting his fans? Is he rich?
A refreshing point of view but I still agree with Jack Maate.
YouSuck99 jackmate is intelligent and humorous! It’s refreshing when you get air heads like Alfie!
@@mozigirl70 what can't you say the same thing with out cursing?
@@mozigirl70 well you're replying to my comment, I haven't cursed I would expect you to do the same.
Also just wanted to ask how old are you?
...9?
Tenzingbhutia Kulsang why don’t you just fuck off, seriously.
@@tenzingbhutiakulsang8446 oh no someone swore the world must be ending
I do agree on most about the Zoella situation, but I have a grievance with the "branding" argument. When you buy a christmas callendar from a brand, you know what to expect, and you are expecting it to be of that kind of brand. Markipliers calendar was jokingly shown, but that has the branding of "it's picture with markiplier", just like chocolate calendars from companies, you know what chocolate you are getting and expect it to be of the same quality, just in bite size.
What Zoella mainly lacked imo, was something screaming "Zoella", which makes it hard for me to justify the huge prize as "branding". While yes the designs where her's, they didn't scream "my brand" and just "here's a random design I made". If I where to make branding of my own content (let's take inspiration from my avatar) I would have added a viking helmet of some kind on my design. While it could be really easy to make just a small cartoon viking helmet, if I do that on all the merchandise, then it tells you it's "my" brand. Zoella didn't have that.
But going back on it, I agree, her biggest mistake was... well, misjudging and making a mistake
I agree with this statement. In addition, I think what TRO should have touched on was that the reason why branding works for those larger companies IS the quality of their products. Advent calendars made by companies ranging from beauty like Too Faced (a brand Zoe used to always get Advent calendars from) to food like Cadbury (another company Zoe used to get Advent calendars from), the products included were of high quality, and it's because of that quality that the branding works. The issue with Zoella is that it's not like she has any products that are particularly associated with high quality in terms of her brand. She's always relied on her personality and her online presence as a way to pass low quality products, like a lot of other creators to be honest.
I feel like your opinion isnt an unpopular one on this topic. I feel like its a vocal minority that is lashing out at the vloggers because their stance is very emotionally driven, so it makes sense that theyre going to be the most outspoken take on this situation.
Well said on the "singling out" of Zoelle. It may just be correlation rather than causation speaking her but I feel like female vloggers are more heavily "punished" by commentators than their male counterparts. Or it may just be that people coincidentally have had such visceral (and often uninformed) opinions on past situations about women in vlogging.
You hit the nail on the head with "living" on one pound being the key word. I feel most people would have momentarily disliked the video and then forget about their annoyances if it werent for other youtubers "hyping up" the drama. The whole situation seems to be drawn out by viewers imho.
Again, lovely video (as always) and i'll be wishing you well with all the drama and sickness youve put up with
Thank you, and really well thought out input. I think you're right about how everyone could've just forgotten about the situation if it hadn't been drawn out by certain videos. I was reading articles about the Zoella situation, and one writer also alluded to the idea that it was driven by gender, though I found it hard to build on it as I couldn't find a significant amount of supplementary examples.
Well, they went after Alfre too, and in both cases, it was purposely deceptive. Which as I keep saying may actually be illegal see, there are these laws called "slander and Liable" laws. Essentially when you spread lies, unproven accusations etc about someone with the intent to harm their image, brand, or anything like that, it is actually a crime. A lot of people throw this out as a way to silence criticism, but in this case, for Jack, it seems clear he PURPOSELY twisted clips in order to paint a DECEPTIVE picture of both parties, and he did it to attack them. As for it to be criticism he has to have legitimate criticism, making up a lie and blaming someone for that lie, is not criticism. So this could be slander, I have no clue of the UK has laws like this or how they apply, but Jack could end up in trouble if this is his common practice. I should also note scamming people is illegal, so he was actually accusing her of a crime, which is very CLEAR slander if I ever heard it. This could be really bad.
People go after female vloggers more...are you sure that isn’t just what you WANT to see?
People definitely are harsher on female youtubers in general than they are towards male youtubers.
Okay, I’m yet to finish the video as of writing this but I can’t help but disagree over your stance on the Zoella calendar. You quite rightly say that it’s a product of consumerism, and that (typically) a brand would add value to a product. Well there were three items entirely unrecognisable as Zoella merchandise (the two cookie cutters and the keyring) and then also the confetti (which apart from the Zoella box) hadn’t been branded. If a third of the items aren’t branded surely that does make the price unjustified?
You also refer to Zoella’s ‘record in merchandise’. I’ll be the first to admit I’m not up to date with her more recent products, but certainly when she first brought out her beauty line in boots, it was problematic. The items (though not necessarily poor quality) were high in price and didn’t match how they were advertised (eg said to be pomegranate scented, yet having no discernible smell). Then of course there’s the case of her first book, which she falsely advertised as being written by her (it was in fact ghost written), although I more see that as lying by omission.
‘Zoella has emerged the horned wench to steal your children’s piggy bank money’, yes, yes she has. You have to keep in mind Zoella’s audiences, working/ middle class young girls (ie not rolling in dough). You mention this isn’t an exception calendars ‘upwards of £250’, well I went on an internet excursion and you’re not wrong (m.mankind.co.uk/beauty-box/the-mankind-advent-calendar-worth-over-650/11477410.html , www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/christmas/gmp32295/luxury-advent-calendars/ - not that I thought you were). The difference - children/ teen luxury advent calderas don’t tend to break the £20 threshold in my quick research (although I’ll admit I didn’t really find many that were comparable, apart from the Tanya Burr calendar priced at £20). So she is going over the average price of product like hers (which would be okay if it were any good). And relying on the trust her audience has for her to sell them.
Then a little point at the end, typically the point of these calendars is that you get more than you pay for. Especially in the higher priced range; the value of the branded products total above the price of the calendar. That’s kinda the point. But this of course was sourly not the case with our friend Zoe Sugg.
I hope this was at least some what coherent I’ve just been written it off the top of my head.
I’m not saying Zoella is the devil incarnate but I also don’t think that even by the standards set by other brands that her pricing scheme is justified.
Perhaps my views will have changed by the end of the video, who knows.
I get what you're saying, but I feel I address that point.
The designs were meant to add the value, however, she chose the wrong items to add the designs to, items that were focused on their utility. A lot of Zoella items in the Christmas calendar were not sold separately, so we can never truly judge whether they were cheaper all round. Comparing them to unbranded items is fallacious.
I don't rate Zoella as a wholly "children's" TH-camr, and I think that her content is catered to individuals of all ages within the beauty industry. I understand that she may have a younger demographic than many others within the beauty industry, she was marketing to beauty stores, the problem was her items were fairly generic and uninspired. However, at the end of the day, demographic regardless, people still have to take responsibility for the purchases they're making, plenty of kids cop expensive extortionate merch. I don't think that's exactly on Zoella.
The Right Opinion
I think I must have either missed or misunderstood your point about her choosing to add branding to the wrong items.
And on your second point, I understand others do it and that’s the standard set. Perhaps because she’s a figure I’ve grown up with (she’s been making videos throughout the entirety of the time I’ve been on you tube, so since I was about 9 or 10 probably) I subconsciously hold her to a higher standard?
Either way, thank you for replying. I really enjoy your videos!
I feel a lot of the outrage came from the fact that it was a calendar- you essentially don't know what is inside until you open it. As a beauty vlogger many would reasonably assume the items would be beauty-related.
Value aside, out of the 12 items, I believe only 8 were branded products and even then, none were linked to beauty or makeup. When people are given only a £50 price-tag and a fancy exterior box to go off of, it's understandable that they would believe the items inside to have a greater value and a stronger appeal than what they actually received.
Her calendar is essentially completely different from other kinds of merchandise. With a brand shirt- you know you're getting a brand shirt.
Also, in a lot of the media coverage and social media responses/ reviews: they primarily mentioned parents who had bought the calendar for their children. While this may not accurately represent everyone who purchased a calendar, a fair percentage of buyers likely were parents or relatives buying the calendar for children. I agree people should be responsible for their purchases, but this seems like a unique case where people weren't entirely sure what they were purchasing.
Mate you are bloody brilliant!
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Thanks man!
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Who knew that tic tacs watched TRO?
I think anyone who can sit through an entire Alfie Deyes video deserves a medal...........that voice..........😣
I don’t disagree with you in some points. But...
You said that the advent calendar was for richer middle class kids. Zoella has milions of viewers, MANY of them are not necessarily from rich(er) families and they probably begged their parents to get thecalendar for them as well. Not just rich kids wanted it and the poorer parents had surely hard time explaining the situation to their kids. Having seen what was in the calendar, it could have cost a half and Zoella (and her team) would still make a fortune and make it available for more kids. She also lied about the price creation and her involvement in it, which doesn’t make her look any better.
I agree that Alfie didn’t want to mock poor people, but he is in the industry for long enough to know, that there should have been at least a remark about this (“I know there are people who struggle...”) - the problem was, that he is just so disconnected from the reality, that this didn’t even cross his mind, he just can’t even imagine this kind of poverty...
(I am not a native English speaker, so I hope it’s understandable what I wrote:)).
His channel is literally callled’pointlessblog’ so it’s pretty accurate.
your voice is so fun to listen to lol
I'm glad it's pleasing
Does your voice not sound like his
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JaackMate is a moral sensationalist, he just wants that moral good guy image. He attacked a kid because of a stupid video instead of telling him why it's bad. I find him fake.
BlackWolfCompany what video was that?
JaackMaate says the truth, when lots of people don’t want to
Yet, here he lies.
Explain your point, then.
BlackWolfCompany he always comes across as a complete coward to me, after all the shit with him and will (and True Geordie on the side) I guess I was spot on.
You are probably the most underrated channel ever. Keep doing what your doing.
Thank you, I only plan to continue!
Critique Shane Dawson’s latest documentary about the jefree star makeup palette? Seemed like one long drawn out ad filled with pointless drama, not a documentary
I’m new to this channel, and straight off the bat already really love it, and it’s a feeling I rarely ever get about any channel. Mark my words this guy is gonna hit a million subs in no time.
Also 12th
I (like a good portion of us) came from the defranco video, you'll have a lotta fun catching up, tro's videos are amazing in quality which makes even the "old news" stuff entertaining again
Thanks man, I live in hope!
I just realized that the first part was edited by my boy J Aubrey ♥️
“””””lifestyle blogs””””””” for the rich and spoilt people.
Jack just keeps it real. These people are so fake and their ego is so disgusting.
Okay, so I think you've got a really interesting take on the whole merchandising thing here, but what I find most interesting is the lambasting people do about how she lied about whether or not she had control over the price of the calendar. Honestly, what I think happened is that Boots (who had the exclusive to the calendar) asked Zoella Beauty to create a £50 calendar, and she did, though again, the difference between the brand accepted markup and what people wanted from that expensive a calendar is huge. Then when Zoella says "I had no control over the price of things" it's true, she didn't have control over the price bc she was specifically asked to create a calendar for that price, and when Boots says "we sell at the recommended selling price" it's again true, but each company is able to blame the other without taking responsibility and it's both partially true. Honestly, when she first did the "apology" and the boots tweet came out, it was the first thought I had, but no one else has brought it up even to disprove it.
Alfie I've always found quite tone deaf so I was never an avid watcher.
Great nuanced breakdown of the issue. You're becoming my favorite commenter channel on TH-cam.
Thanks man
The Right Opinion
No, thank you.
I love hearing a posh British man say “rock and roll”
But that's not a posh accent
why does it sometimes look like inabber has no eyebrows
I shaved them off
holy fuck
"Reduced the number of doors to extort money from her adoring fans"
Aha, adoring. I see what you did there
Hey TRO, good vid. Helps me with my inescapable boredom. Can't wait for even more to come.
Glad I can help you :)
You upload pretty quickly. Keep it up, my dude!
I do my best to keep a schedule!
The most horrifying thing about that calendar wasn't even the price of the things in it, it was the fact that some of the items people received in it looked used, and people were thinking she might have filled the calendars with stuff she had gotten as pr and didn't like.
I think you’re thinking of the Eltoria advent calendar scandal!!
I love how you are very analytical, logical and unbiased on your videos, definitely deserve more subs
I think with Alfie Deyes' video, what I really had issues with was the incredible lack of self-awareness. That being said, I don't think there was any malintent there and think it didn't even occur to him how it could be taken. It felt just like a dumb mistake.
With Zoella, the calendar was incredibly low-quality that gave no indication as to what was in it. Also, in the U.S. (based on the federal minimum wage - it varies by state), 50 pounds would actually equate to just a little less than a day's wages (exchange rates being taken into account). Just putting that out there.
Turning against rich white boys and girls who aren't really bright is a trend, sadly. Sure they may be far from reality that normal people live in, but it shouldn't be a reason for one human being to humiliate another one.
After all they meant no harm. Besides, there are not so much people in this world who do their actions out of evil intentions and only this kind of people deserves contempt in my opinion. We have to stay human even if we're not fond of particular person's behavior or lifestyle.
That's why I admire your unpopular point of view on this subject.
Beautifully articulated comment, spot on and not what I expected from someone with your profile name lol...but that was be being presumptuous.
I've never had a problem with Alfie and Zoe honestly, but I also enjoy Jacks videos. I don't take them seriously. I enjoy his humour even if I disagree with the way he is going with it. It wouldn't be as funny if he didn't exaggerate the truth. It's damaging in some respects because some people will take it seriously but you can't censor him for it. That's fault on their part not him.
I watch Zoe's vlogs. I think she's nice and never has any bad intent with the stuff she does. People just twist it to make her seem like this manipulative girl that's out to cheat young viewers out of money. I disagree.
Alfie comes across as a bit simple. It's exactly this reason why I don't think he was trying to show off how rich he is or be intensive about the poor. He just doesn't think about the bigger picture and people give him shit for it as though he was doing it on purpose.
I agree with most of that but I feel like JaackMaate's video opinions, satirical or not, also spill over onto his other social media, whereas many creators at least use Twitter, etc. to be more light-hearted I guess? Idk it just seems like he has a handful of youtubers he reeeeally doesn't like and he just constantly talks shit about them on every platform
@@lucybw he's only saying what many of us think....I used to watched these TH-camrs..they've lost touch with reality. Jack is a like a bowl of fresh air.
He's a grown man he should know better.
And zoella had a ghost writer, and also sold cookie cutters for £50 to children..they may not be the devil, but they sure aren't our 'friends' either.
People make mistakes. I'm not going to hold grudges against people that I've never met just because someone else I've never met wants me to... Alfie's only two years older than me and I've made stupider mistakes this year... at some point you've gotta either give people a chance to change for the better or learn to let it go and stop letting them ruin your day.
Alexfolledemoi so what if he's a grown man. He's one month older than me and I can be a bit daft and not think sometimes. Why hold it against people and shame them for it when it's not intended? Of course TH-camrs aren't our friends. We watch You Tubers because we enjoy their content and personality. They don't even know who we are so of course they aren't our friends. It would naive to think that. Yes Zoe's calendar was extremely overpriced but I think people need to get over it now. It was one item. All her other products aren't that bad. They are still humans you know. They didn't ask for this kind of fame. If things aren't done intentional to be shady then I think it's perfectly fine to forgive and forget.
"We go zero to one hundred real quick. Let's get into it." He says nearly 5:00 minutes into the video.
Made me chuckle.
Sorry but I’m with Jackmaate on this one. The guy is a snivelling snob and her calendar is absolutely exploitative. Feels like you’re just being a contrarian
Why do all those British vloggers all have the exact same hairstyle?
LaydiNite it’s the law
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1 Rags
2 Racism Watchdog
3 Poochie
My nemeses
The Right Opinion The least goodest of boys
Can I ask why you feel that way, Rags in particular? I'm particularly fond of his channel, even though I see that he is often offensive.
@@Keyce0013 TRO has a good video on Rag's commentary on IHE's opinion on The Force Awakens
So he's a bad dog because someone made a quality video?
GG man! How long does it take to write these?
i disagree with you on the alfie issue, he took a video ‘challenge’ that was originally focused on poverty and he didn’t acknowledge that in any way
time for the popcorn!
Another feature film
The Right Opinion Good thing moviepass is still (barely) above water!
sapnupuas Can I have some please?
The Stereotypical Evil Mastermind wellll since you said please.
sapnupuas Thank you.
I feel the exact same way about JaackMaate. He can make me laugh, and I enjoy his videos, but he does have a tendency to get all vitriolic when there's little cause to
'Speaking of not smart enough, let's talk about Alfie Deyes.' Best transition ever
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till the british guy said
"Stewped"
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I've only been subscribed for a short time now. Your videos aren't the most extravagant or complex but I always find them so entertaining. You always have a point that even if I personally disagree, you always back it and bring interesting perspectives. Awesome work, man :)
Traditional advent calendars have 25 doors. I’ve never seen an advent calendar that is less than 25 days.
Traditional advent calendars are 24 days
Alice Vaux you’re right it was a typo
While traditional ones were 24 days more calendars are now doing 25 days and have something big for Christmas day. I love this and hope the trend keeps going. While OP made a typo, I thought I'd let youse know of this positive development in the advent calendar world.
I get a lovely chocolate one every year. Got a dark chocolate protein one from MyProtein last Christmas which was really tasty.
But it wasn't an advent calendar, it was a Christmas calendar. One per each day of the twelve days of Christmas, starting with the Christmas Day on the 25th of December and ending with Little Christmas in January.
I’m just wondering, with your editors, do you contact different editors with discord? Or do you have specific editors each time? Nice job on this video by the way.
I have a Twitter group chat where I ask who's keen and then create a separate chat for it and then work through it in that chat
The Right Opinion nice! I’m only asking because it’d be pretty neat if I could edit a segment for you, but thanks for the info!
Yellow Syrup why not? Lol
Yellow Syrup get back in the basement
We're just fooling around, you can hit me up on Twitter @TheRightOpinion or Discord if you're interested
Kylie Jenner rips off brand all the time - just saying ( so do kim )
I really enjoyed this video! Well thought out, well executed and lots of very good and balanced points, well made. I agree with your comments on Jaackmaate. I did enjoy his content until the end of last year and found myself watching him less and less, not really knowing why I wasn't enjoying his content! You have definitely painted a clearer picture for me. Trying to sell your viewers a story, in order to illicit controversy and covert that into views is tiresome, and not entertainment in my opinion. But I think that is how TH-cam is going these days! Less quality videos (like your own) and more drama/response/I-said-and-they-said videos! They always seem to be popping into my feed no matter how often I dismiss them! Keep up the good work sir! You have got a new subscriber here! Peace!
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This is life
Its so hard to leave a good comment on a right opinion video. So much info and so well constructed, hard to decide what to say aside from amazing work as always. I wasnt really clear on these creators and situations before.
I feel that the outrage around Zoella was also partially caused by her having been in scandals before surrounding her merch. Her books were ghostwritten while she said writing had always been a hobby of hers and releasing a book had always been a dream. She basically lied to give the book a better branding. Then when her advent calendar was disappointing she lied again in her explanation video saying she didn't set the price when she very much did. If it was really just a mistake she could've simply owned up to it, but instead she tried to lie her way out of it.
FYI the woman going through the calendar is not Zoella, she is actually called Eltoria. They look really similar though 😁
This is entirely irrelevant and a year late, but I wanted to say that I did get that Markiplier calendar that flashed on the screen for a minute as an example of an inexpensive item, and it was maybe one of the most endearing and silly things I've ever seen. Just extremely wholesome.
Your videos are so good, I watch them even though I hardly ever know who the people you’re talking about are (this one is one of the few exceptions). They’re just so balanced and well thought out and easy to digest without being over the top or sensationalist. Love it!
The way he says trachea will haunt me till I die
One of my favorite channels I've subbed to in 2018. Your videos are some of the few where I pay more attention to it than just putting it on for background noise. Well researched and spoken with a very clean and polished vocabulary that I feel is a refreshing change. Surprised there's not an extra 0 in that sub count but I'm hoping you'll eventually hit half a million in the future and continue growing.
Imo the difference between a shirt for example and a calender whilst yeah your paying for the brand at least you know what your getting when you buy the shirt theres no bullshit behind it, I don't understand it like I mean I buy shirts for 3 quid and they last me a good 5 years before I have to buy a new "wardrobe". However with a calender for 50 quid you don't have a clue to what your getting its a toss up untill you open the thing and see so your expectations in that instance are more grand than the reality if that makes sense? Thats why reviews are important sure. But if someones selling a calender for 50 quid then you expect some goodshit not a list of things you could probably find in your house already and thats the reason why it would leave a very sour taste in your mouth and thats understandable really, because it comes across very scammish when you compare it to the shirt which you know what your getting when you buy it even though they carry the same principle.
I honestly believe if it wasn't in the form of a calender and you could see, or you knew what you would recieve before hand like you would with the shirt argument, it wouldn't of blown up as badly as it did. Its because of the fact it came in a calender, you couldn't of known what was in it untill you opened it that it turned into the delightful shitshow that it became.
I think it could have been executed better if the 12 products were actually relevant to Zoella's brand. For example-twelve shades of lipstick would have been nice to see. Based on my limited knowledge on makeup, lipstick is generally more inclusive than something like eyeshadow (where shades might not show up on darker skintones) and lipstick has more value than a notepad, even if the notepad has more utility.
@@TuesdaysArt I definitely agree with you, if it was on brand it would have been better executed.
i've been marathoning your videos while on some work deadlines the past week or so, and i just wanted to say thank you (and the editors!) for making them. i love that you go into some analysis of youtube as a community as well as a money-making platform, since it's in the weird venn diagram of those things. i feel like i've learned a lot, when i usually just consider commentary videos my "junk food" media
And here I am rewatching this (I really need to get a life). This is actually the video that made me subscribe in the first place (I don't know in what mood you were when you wrote the script for this but it's so funny).
You put out content worth my time so quickly I have trouble even getting the time to keep up. Couldn't ask for anything more.
i love how u can view things in such an unbiased, unopinionated mind to truly interpret the situation, not many do this nowadays, and i'm glad you're able to come to these conclusions in that way. Having a commentator that is almost completely observant is very refreshing. The BEST commentator on youtube yet man.
whenever i started this video, i didn’t realise how long it was lol
Great vid ... appreciate the huge amount of work making a 37 min video with a change of shot every few seconds ... or less. Awesome !
80,000 subs and you got adds?! You deserve that, keep up the great work.
So good I found your channel! Quality content on every video I watched, good reasonable opinions with funny humor. Every video seems well researched and like a good amount of work. Keep going and growing!
Who else is binge watching TRO videos during quarantine?
Though I don't fully agree with your whole perspective on zoella and Alfie as youtubers, I really appreciate your more unbiased opinion on the severe amount of hate and cancel culture being thrown their way (along with many other TH-camrs atm). I completely understood the outrage about some of the things they've done in the past and I also understand why their content isn't entertaining or valuable for many people, but like you said that calendar was the first and so far only product that received such negative reviews and to say that it was this huge manipulative scheme to take advantage of fans over low-quality products is just illogical and has almost no basis compared to her history of product lines. The Hello World scandal was unfortunate, but there were so many people who actually enjoyed themselves and met their favorite creators so it really was just a mishap in time vs attendance. Alfie's $1 video was blown way out of proportion by the people who get offended for others who don't even care. All he did was whine about having to drink tap water (which I hear plenty of people do on a regular basis because they prefer bottled or filtered water - an extremely common opinion and yet one of the most talked about aspects of the video) and learn how hard it is to genuinely live off so little money. He was a lil ignorant, but clearly had no bad intentions and the backlash he received probably taught him a lesson, which is all anyone can hope for when it comes to educating someone who doesn't know enough about a sensitive topic. I could go on, but my point after all that is just that people too often *mistake ignorance/normal human error for malice/manipulation* and it doesn't take that many brain cells to think past your initial reaction or someone else's aggressive opinion. I think you did a great job at explaining that and I'm really happy that more creators like you and Evan Edinger are encouraging viewers to form their own educated opinions rather than hop on the JaackMaate/iNabber/etc. train without listening to opposing perspectives.
Was that last bit: "I try to make myself a cesspool', or 'I try to make myself accessible'?
I think you're totally right on the money, the outrage was exaggerated and was probably based on a misunderstanding. The only thing that stops me from believing these people, is the rampant dishonesty on TH-cam. There are not a lot of people with big audiences that I trust, and probably never will, because time and time again they mess with their audiences, so it's not hard for me to believe that Zoella and Alfie had malicious intent. That's why I'm glad this video is here, because at the end of the day, judging a person without properly (proper, as in not just blindly hating on them, nor blindly support them) analysing them will just make everything worse.
alfie deyes is got treated like a malicious dude with 120 iq when he's a dude who has a iq of 90 and is fine
The bit from Pick Of Destiny with her face on the devil 😂😂
I enjoy your channel and content a lot!
This video is essentially you saying you don't like emotional reactionary videos, despite that it may be correct. I actually think you've gone off the point (*cough* just plain wrong) on zoella's calendar, £50 beauty calendars are common place even 'reasonable'. She already has a line of beauty products and the norm would be to do minis of your popular products and include 1 or two exclusives, I actually think noone would've been upset had this been what she did- even if she threw in a couple of fillers- She already does minis! It's not difficult. She LIED as well about her control over the price- having been a part of a team that has pushed a product to live through boots, when you pitch a product boots want to know what % they'll be getting on it, so you must KNOW all the numbers, and it'd be shitty business practice if you didn't . You say it's branded 20 quid stuff but of course you're wrong- this stuff has been produced in bulk and she has gotten all of it for pennies. You make assumptions about minimum wage people and middle class people **exaggerated misinformation**, you state your opinion like it's fact- just like who you're criticising
Am not going to get into the Alfie deyes thing because frankly he deserved to be crucified for it, he made an insensitive video. But you're defending them because you don't like emotional reaction videos, and you want people to consider every single thing before being outraged.
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@@hamitjerad8452 looks like you don't know the meaning of the word insensitive. Posh elites... Pffffff jog on.
@@Jellybellyirish you are the one that do not know what the word insensitive means, you should ask and show the video about this to a person or a group of people living in poverty. I have seen a lot of people living in poverty, talked with them and I will say this, the last thing they worried about is people making "Living off $1 in 24 hours" and more of how can I get food today. Stop trying to crusade for the things you know absolutely 0 about.
How was alfie's video insensitive? Let's review what he said the challenge was in the video. It was: "To spend less than the retarded fake dollar we use in the UK with that retarded E thing on food." Well, that's my big American take on it. So the challenge was not to be homeless, not to give some grand commentary on how rich he was the point as to spend less than a single retarded UK dollar. That's it. You realize that's a normal thing, right? People often try to save up money. Maybe they want a new car, maybe they want a new phone and not spending money on 100 dollar meals helps them do that. Perhaps they want to see the impact on their own life if they chose to avoid spending while doing a day's routine. Perhaps the just didn't want to spend 10 bucks on a Starbucks drink. Furthermore, if we're going to be on the topic: what do YOU do to help the people that are in this situation? Do you think someone starving cares that a youtuber wanted to spend less than a retarded UK dollar? Or do you think they care about...Y'know, STARVING to death? I HATE people that morally grandstand but do 0 to improve the issue. You want to help? Go work at a homeless shelter they ALWAYS need help, donations, etc. And you'd be doing something to help issues that shouldn't exist in modern countries like UK, USA, but are real issues. Get off your soapbox, and DO something.
@@lunadead Ironically this is what I pointed out too lol... I took it a step further and said rather than being offended she/he needs t go do some volunteer work at a homeless shelter. I promise, that will do a lot more to help the homeless then trying to get offended over a guy essentially doing a "try to save" challenge. I hate people that morally grandstand, that get on a soapbox and preaches to me, someone that lived that life from the time he was 7-18 about what fucking offends me. I'm more offended people would take a REAL issue that people suffer through across the world, and use it to grandstand on youtube, and at the same time doing 0 to help the actual issues like donating money, time, etc to local shelters helping people in real need.
My issue with Z and AD is....what talent do they have?
Danny
None.
TheWalrusWasDanny zoella is one of the most talented people on yt. Just look at her interior decoration stuff. She bakes, she does make-up and hair tutorials, she’s funny and hugely astute for her age. Talent is subjective.
OK...I'll give you that...fair enough....now explain what talent does Alfie have?
Danny
TheWalrusWasDanny I think he’s very clued-up business wise. When most youtubers were eating money on fast cars, he invested in property. I think that’s a talent. He might come across as a bit of a dick sometimes, but he’s essentially a good kid.
Mmm...that's clutching at straws a bit...he talented at buying houses and selling books with nothing in them? Talented at taking the piss out of people who are skint?...I've watched some of his vids...well...until I can't bare anymore!! and I fail to see how the guy is talented at anything specific that is illustrated in his content...I'll give you that Zoe can bake a cake and apply make up...but Alfie (and I'm sure his is a nice person at heart) has no talent to show the world on his videos...can he juggle? Probably not..can he play the guitar? Probably not...can he draw?...not that I can see? Can he bake a cake?...nah he can just get Zoe to do that...maybe he's very talented at "going for a poo"
Danny
This video is really good, I totally agree. I was just thinking about this today, people are so angry.. about EVERYTHING now a days.
Daddy tro with a new vid
You know it boi
I’ve gotta disagree about the advent calendar because that was ridiculous but I will say this. Don’t really watch her, obviously don’t know her, but I doubt she’s an evil person. Also, unfortunately for her or who ever came up with that price point and the products within...China kinda whoop’d em. With company’s like makeup revolution pushing out 25 day calendars with full sized products within...at half zoellas original price point? Aye, she was never gonna win. Mind, I’m not into brands or branding so maybe I’m missing the significance of a name, unless it’s a brand literally built on the quality of its products? I ain’t interested.
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Notifications keep fucking me over. Good thing I check your channel for a new video every waking minute.
Tbh I get frustrated when I see almost a constant stream of creators purely making videos targeting both Alfie and specifically zoe.
Did she screw up with that calendar, yes! Has she learned from her mistake probably. Do we all make mistakes, yessssss definitely.
People call them unrelatable and greedy and yet the Kylie Jenner's the kardashians, the Jeffrey star's are? Zoey probably doesn't even make 1/4 of the amount that Jeffrey star does he puts out a new product at least once or more a month he owns a handbag worth more money than the average person makes a year.
Kylie is set to become a billlioooonnnaire for sitting at a desk approving makeup that other people make her....and Zoe and Alfie with there jumpers and bath products that come out every season is being greedy?
I can't stand the hypocrisy!
All of those big beauty names are only there just like zoella because of us viewers so why is she being hated on for doing what everyone else is doing?
Exactly! They're easy targets. So many TH-camrs pick on them because their names in their videos means clicks.
how tf are you so wellspoken? you were able to dissect, analyze, and put into words why the extreme criticism against these two wasn't sitting right with me. sometimes its hard to understand or explain why you feel the way you do, but I believe you were able to spell out and break down what perhaps many people felt but weren't sure how to exactly explain. thanks! keep it up.
I don't normally comment much , but I have to say . The right Opinion is by far my favorite youtube comentator . From the way you research to the way you deliver the info. Top tier . Keep it up man. I've binged for days now and will continue as long as you're making videos
Idk man, as someone in the working class I was offended greatly by Alfie’s video, and Zoe really did deserve all that backlash. They’re just so isolated, so ignorant to outside struggles. And it is?? a half calendar?? never seen 12 doors be normal. The fact that you have to shop at particular places to see that be normal kinda proves the ignorant middle class thing that Jack hates. Parents in the working class go to lengths to make their children happy, my father for example taking a loan out to take me on holiday that took him years to pay back. It’s not too tall to consider them buying an expensive calendar that their child wants. Usually I’d say you have the right opinion but this is too subjective. Jack’s video on “My Britain” is amazing and I enjoy how vocal and passionate he is. There’s a tonne more points I disagree with but cba
"spending 1 pound in 24h" so..... don't go to the store?
37 minutes to argue semantics.
I watched this video till the end! The explanation of the three TH-camr “narratives” is really entertaining... especially that the format of this video is banking on its own “narrative” of objectivity. It’s so hypo... erm, meta (?).
The thing that always puzzles me in the whole "they are exploiting their young fans" rhetoric is that people seem to forget "the young fans" are not the ones making decisions on how to spend money. It's their parents, grown ass adults, who really are in charge of their money and accept to buy this You Tubers merch, knowing full well it's probably not worth the money. People need to stop acting like Zoella's audience is made of gullible kids falling prey to whatever she says. Their parents are the ones responsible for the decision to buy a crappy calendar. If they can't educate their kid on this whole "consumerist baiting", it's on them.
A very good point. I remember asking my mom if she could buy Annoying Orange merchandise for me back when it was in the height of its popularity and she refused to. I doubt actual children are the primary demographic for this stuff.
Always high quality content, nice vid 👍🏿
Thanks dude
Wrong font on the smash meme. Loved the topic and what you brought to it, I was part of the mob that disliked her for this. I didnt take a moment and step away to look at the bigger picture because at the end of the day she just sold a calendar for more than it shouldve been sold...
Thanks man, I think we were all there originally, it's so easy to get wrapped up
The Right Opinion You should do a video on channels that shifted their content completely and how it gave those channels a new light, such as Pewdiepie, Jacksepticeye and I guess Pyro. I cant word it right but I want to see your take on how this change affected the image, us, the audience have of them.
"On the right opinion we go zero to one hundred real quick" *ad break* situational comedy is great
The thing about the one pound challenge, it was created to show the struggle of how living below the poverty line. It wasn’t s fun thrifty thing, it was to show how it’s hard to live like it, and maybe change people’s mind on poor people in general. In fact it’s full title when it first surfaced itself was ‘living off one pound’.
Dystopian Overture yeah but did alfie say anything about his video having anything to do with the poverty line? And video titles are always exaggerated and click bait. So the backlash is a bit overkill
When the Super Smash Bro’s Brawl music came on 😂😂😂
Don’t worry my child, I am also a British twat with too much free time
HELLO! Been here since 200k! Nice job :D
Oh my god the Turkey Tom is a school shooter background joke got me hard.