As a German main this is true. If we talk about a non bias skill involved the is-2 clearly wins. Even though the is-2 is longer on its reload it’s most likely to take out the tiger on its first shot. But I got to say when it comes to armor layout both have a good amount of week spots. So while the is-2 is most likely to get the kill, the tiger has lots of chances to kill the is-2
@CHAD THE BORIS I typically win when it comes to head on engagements against the IS-2 in my tiger 1, either giving them a hard angle from around a corner with my UFP, or a slight turn to throw off their shot making them hit a strong point on the tiger. However, these videos are to show which tank is better from its personality rather than a persons skill. Say 2 new players who have never played either tank or know how to go against them, the player in the is-2 will most likely get the kill unless he he misses the first show, then the tiger will have 2 to 3 shots in before he can shoot again.
@@Cecil97 well, that's the worse IS2 weakspot, a tiny turret move will make it bounce, u have alot of weakspots for IS2, for example the cúpula, the front lower plate and the middle flat plate of the hull
@@HorseshitDetectionAgency yes and the players are stupid as hell, like when the tiger backed out on the second round. Me as a tiger user would have never done that if i was approaching an IS-2
Well the point isn’t about player skill, it’s about the tanks own abilities. A fight between any vehicle can go either way even if it’s a Pz.IV VS. a T-72. But it’s not about skill
@@minerkosk9786 what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t bring skill into this vehicle vs vehicle thing. Otherwise what’s stopping a skilled player from having the advantage in a battle where both vehicles are somewhat similar.
@@emmanuelbrown4342 because people keep wondering why there is no skill involved. In these verses episodes. People complained the bt-5 is superior to the a13 but really if they were put against each other with similar skilled players, the a13 is actually a better tank. Ww2 vs modern was an example for those who say “well if I was playing my tank I wouldn’t ever loose against that tank” much like a cocky Pz.IV player who likes to troll around at top tier and kill a couple t-72s. He would argue that the Pz.IV can’t put play a t-72 with skill
ima gonna be real, i prefer the old tank versus where they compare the essentials pros and cons (turrets traverse speed, acceleration, ect) than this new "skill" base engagement. in my opinion, there's a bunch of error that can be avoided easily in this series (like the tiger E shouldn't just peek out in the last engagement, or they should just pop smoke on the second engagement then close the distance through different routes).
I feel like they got people to use the tanks for their first times. They have next to idea about anything about specific weak points and strategies for the tanks, and only know about angling
@@cleverlaziness yea yea am outta here, not gonna start a drama again with a random human on internet, no matter how many times you reply it will just get ignored by me myself
It's the opposite actually. At long ranges, you often need to shoot a ranging shot first (or you just miss your first shot anyway) and this is when having faster reload is crucial. At close ranges, where you basically can't miss longer reloads is not that big of an issue (unless you are facing multiple enemies, then you are screwed)
@@NguyenLyubyuStrana Volumetric probs. And saying its armour pen for its BR is meh, or not good is showing more of a skill issue. Though you didnt give a full statement on the gun, probably just venting on the Pain that is Volumetric, afterall i have had a IS-2 shell bounce on my STUG 3, so i know the large calibre can be a pain
@@AugustSchroif I disagree, I myself tend to hit pretty consistently at range with the 122mm? Mainly because Soviet sights have high FOV and sure the zoom is not great but honestly that weirdly works to your advantage in making ranging targets more essy
Figured the IS2 would win, but the second battle where they both sat there not moving was a joke. Only someone without a clue of what was going on would do that.
The fact that this show exists, on top of the absolutely asinine scenarios they play out, goes a long way to prove the problems with War Thunder and how Gaijin imagines their game is played.
The series doesn’t exist to show that a tank is better than another, so much as a tank has these strengths and weakness and how they can work in an actual combat scenario.
Man those looks like more than Review then versus, everyone have the strategy to destroy both tanks, doesn't have really matter what tank you are using but if you know to use your strategy with this tanks you will make the best gameplay, gaijin I believe you need to calm down because I think you don't have Idea what are you doing
Idea: compare say a stock British vehicle (maybe the Cromwell V) vs a fully spaded, 150 ace crewed vehicle (maybe the Pz.IV G, or better yet a full up tier premium, T 34 747 (r)). Now justify BR placements.
I think there cant be a comparison of tanks like this it always depends on the driver of the tank and how good he is, i dont like this shows a lot because of this
But i think of you Are watching this as a Not so experienced Player you Will tend to Play the is-2 f.e. here and Entertainment wise Are enough shows around like the Thunder Show Or so
This series shows the strengths of weaknesses of tanks, not how strong against another tank one tank is. It makes a point of the IS 2’s good rear armour, reverse gear, gun and horrid reload as well as weak spots, and similar things for the Tiger.
Next round is going to be interesting. The rounded hull of the early Shermans is a massive liability if the Pz.IV gets the first shot, but there's plenty of vulnerabilities on the Panzer as well if the Sherman gets the drop on it. Hell, the sides of the hull on the Panzer can be penned by .50 BMG fire, let alone cannon rounds.
@@floppi7098 The early Shermans with the rounded hulls can be penned by aiming for the corners if he tries to angle. Lost count of how many I've killed that way.
i feel like the first fight was at least less scripted than some other fights we have seen but still scripted none the less the is-2 most likely would have moved out of that position.
back to the players, when Tiger encounters IS in close combat battle, you just have to be able to immobilize the turret from stalin and when you see stalin in a strange position, once again revers stalin's is a meme just aiming at machine gun sight
when i shoot the front plate of a tiger "hit, non pen" gaijin: oh it seems your shell has clipped a tiny corner so now your shell has disappeared into the void
Honestly it all depends on who shoots first.But overall i prefer Tiger E as it has slightly better mobility ratio,reload rate and armor(when angled) than IS-2 model 1943 combined with it’s one extra crew member and superior optics.
If it's tiger 1 vs is2 then I don't need to see the vid to actually know who wins, since it's not really a good comparison. But if it's a tiger 2 against is2, then that would be interesting
@@SirCabooseCCCP true. However for the tiger to actually stand a chance you need to play the mobility game, which is fine since the tiger 1 is a really mobile heavy tank. But it stands no chance frontally even if it angled
Man even the Germans here are brain dead. If you see and IS2 with the backward technique, you break off and find another angle. Nobody in their right mind will hope to keep trying to pen that backward technique with the IS2. The third round is just a patience game. Just like German players who just thinks that pressing W will mean that shells will automatically bounce.
The point of the backward technique is that the IS-2 eliminates its frontal weakspots. It's a great technique on open maps where enemies can't hide as much even if they disable the engine.
next match will be one of the "who clicks faster wins" assuming that F2 will be using traditional ambush tactics. If not M4 will win all except sniping duel. It's more mobile, stabiliser makes it shoot first during any encounters and i'm nearly certain it has better reload with same crew skill.
The scenario of the game does not correspond to the truth of war II 01:46, because regardless of the thickness of the frontal armor of the Tiger tank, alas, even without piercing the armor, the hit of the BR-471B 122 mm armor-piercing shell of the IS-2 tank gun is a guaranteed contusion of the Tiger tank crew, as well as damage to the guidance mechanism of the Tiger tank gun. This is a contusion not only for the crew of the Tiger tank, but also for all the mechanisms of the tiger tank. In boxing, this is called a knockout. In general, without breaking through the armor, for a guaranteed boxing knockout, the Tiger tank and its crew had enough concrete-piercing projectile of the IS-2 tank cannon
@@tobuutv4825 The 122mm was not a good AP gun . It was more an infantry support tank with big HE shells , the pen values in WT are way overrated . Well balance you know .
I don't know which is worse, the same arcade players opining how the tiger should have killed the IS-2 or the people brutally analyzing a "real battle" of war thunder
kinda feel that last battle was a little rigged , if i was the tiger i would have hit the track explosed on the angle and then flanked the IS for it to chase me and prepare an ambush . but thats just me
The IS-2 was a typical Soviet/Russian product; great on paper, borderline garbage in reality. Even so, it was by far the best heavy tank the Soviets ever built - but that's not really saying much. It brought a big gun to the fight, but that's about it. It was a primitive vehicle, basically an upgraded KV-1 with a bigger gun and different armor layout. It was difficult to penetrate the upper front hull, but even non-penetrating hits resulted in deadly spalling in the interior, due to the very hard and brittle armor plates. The Soviets compensated for poor ammo quality by putting bigger guns on their AFVs. The 122mm on the IS-2 could actually barely compete with the 88mm L/56 on the Tiger 1 in sheer penetration. In one instance a Tiger 1 took a hit from an IS-2 to the upper front plate at just 25 meters, and the round glanced off the angled Tiger (Jentz 1995). The same Tiger 1 unit also reported that most IS-2s would turn away when they realised they were facing Tigers.
@@SirCabooseCCCP one has a much better gun... wouldn't is-1 be the good counterpart? Same armour and same mobility like is-2 and a gun similar to the tigers 88mm
Stop this sarcasm... but there are some tanks, that really need a rebalance.. like ratel20 from 70's with Milan atgm at 6.7 🤣 or ikv 91 from 60's at 7.0 with heatfs and laser rangefinder, which can fight 6.0 tanks from 1943-1945 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rethinking the idea that Gaijin should abandon the spreadsheet BR decider for one based on devs actually using the vehicles… if this is how they would use them anyway.
I love tiger than is-2, i have 59-70% winrate with tiger, its more reliable, good armor if you angled it. IS-2 has excellent penetration but longer reload, and worse gun depression.
I appreciate both since I use both tanks Both did good effort but in the battle against veterans players or new players, strategy matters most. Having your weak armor while angling will get yourself killed in one shot by any other round by any tank… i but the is needs to be careful too, it also have plenty of weak spots too
u can tear the tiger up with the 122 at any range while with tiger u should aim for the ws. Even angling doesn't work against 122. Not to mention the 1944 version that has effective armor equal to tiger2s.
yeah i dont think a tiger would be straight upping an IS at range, theyd be shooting and moving to cover, likley not even dealing with that at that range, or atleast angling appropriate to the incoming round
Can we talk about how stupid these battles are? Second battle: IS 2 fires at the ANGLED side of a tiger, doesn't pen, then proceeds to load HIGH EXPLOSIVE? In any normal circumstance, if the Is2 player is caught off guard, only then the tiger wins.
IS-2 did everything right. IS-2 AP shell can't really pierce an angled tiger's hull, and mantlet is unreliable (there are a lot of places where it doesn't pen even at close range, which you can clearly see in the first encounter even in this video), and HE shell is a guaranteed kill if hit the turret. Yes, IS-2 HE shells kill tanks if you hit the turret. If you don't know that, maybe you are the one who just need to get better.
The Is2 is the best way to use is with the engine in front and reversing, the engine absorbs all the spall from any shell that's aphe and not solid or apds.
@@janiconi6923 why would it also stay there like a moron right un front of a 122mm? I would slowly drive back and attack from a different place, than showing my side....
For once, these two tanks are pretty equal : the same armor (in general), the IS-2 has a better gun and penetration but the Tiger has a way shorter reload with a gun a little bit less powerful. But I'm glad to see my soviet boy wins ! 😆
That whole fad of reversing IS-1s and 2s vs tigers and panthers makes me cringe, it does nothing to protect it from the one place you actually aim to kill them (turret cheek). PZgr (285g of HE filler) round straight through IS-1/2 turret cheek = instant death (regardless of what way they face their hull)....
As a German main this is true. If we talk about a non bias skill involved the is-2 clearly wins. Even though the is-2 is longer on its reload it’s most likely to take out the tiger on its first shot. But I got to say when it comes to armor layout both have a good amount of week spots. So while the is-2 is most likely to get the kill, the tiger has lots of chances to kill the is-2
Sweden better, but you are probably the one competent german main.
Agreed.
@CHAD THE BORIS I like to shot the is-2 in the lower plate because there’s no transmission there
@CHAD THE BORIS I typically win when it comes to head on engagements against the IS-2 in my tiger 1, either giving them a hard angle from around a corner with my UFP, or a slight turn to throw off their shot making them hit a strong point on the tiger. However, these videos are to show which tank is better from its personality rather than a persons skill. Say 2 new players who have never played either tank or know how to go against them, the player in the is-2 will most likely get the kill unless he he misses the first show, then the tiger will have 2 to 3 shots in before he can shoot again.
@@BufferThunder it depends if you can find a Swedish tank similar to the tiger. Sweden doesn’t have a heavy to compare to the tiger though.
i love how the tiger became crewed by brainlets after the first round
typical german main
Thats the average german player in mid tier
lol lets never shoot the weakest part of the IS2, the turret cheeks
@@Cecil97 that is because it is the is1 weakest part
@@Cecil97 well, that's the worse IS2 weakspot, a tiny turret move will make it bounce, u have alot of weakspots for IS2, for example the cúpula, the front lower plate and the middle flat plate of the hull
I was hoping with this series to see a more factual approach, like comparing their stats more than having players fight each other
the series is cringe as hell
well there is a BR for a reason I guess?
@@HorseshitDetectionAgency yes and the players are stupid as hell, like when the tiger backed out on the second round. Me as a tiger user would have never done that if i was approaching an IS-2
I think they don't want to show it because every number is company's secret recipe. you know?
Next episode T-34-86 versus Leopard 2A4
2 : 1
@@rprprp2 xD
What the fu*k are you talking about
T-34-85 Wins 3:0
STALINIUM >>>>>>>>
Looks like Level 1's are playing on these "VS" series.
Well the point isn’t about player skill, it’s about the tanks own abilities. A fight between any vehicle can go either way even if it’s a Pz.IV VS. a T-72. But it’s not about skill
@@Sturmgechu ok that doesnt make any sese
@@Sturmgechu why are you comparing ww2 tank to a modern tank
@@minerkosk9786 what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t bring skill into this vehicle vs vehicle thing. Otherwise what’s stopping a skilled player from having the advantage in a battle where both vehicles are somewhat similar.
@@emmanuelbrown4342 because people keep wondering why there is no skill involved. In these verses episodes. People complained the bt-5 is superior to the a13 but really if they were put against each other with similar skilled players, the a13 is actually a better tank. Ww2 vs modern was an example for those who say “well if I was playing my tank I wouldn’t ever loose against that tank” much like a cocky Pz.IV player who likes to troll around at top tier and kill a couple t-72s. He would argue that the Pz.IV can’t put play a t-72 with skill
ima gonna be real, i prefer the old tank versus where they compare the essentials pros and cons (turrets traverse speed, acceleration, ect) than this new "skill" base engagement. in my opinion, there's a bunch of error that can be avoided easily in this series (like the tiger E shouldn't just peek out in the last engagement, or they should just pop smoke on the second engagement then close the distance through different routes).
Nah, this not fair u gave the tiger E commander a kitchen chair and to the IS-2 commander a gaming chair?!
Lets give that tiger kommandant an arabic gaming chair
I feel like they got people to use the tanks for their first times. They have next to idea about anything about specific weak points and strategies for the tanks, and only know about angling
Well it make sense for the average player that’s what I was like till a few months ago
Nah the Tiger is just a typical german player
IS-2 player actually did everything right, but why Tiger player was trying to kill IS-2 with HEs on Kursk is beyond me.
@@AugustSchroif It wasn't ? The tiger was shooting AP all the time
@@Eire_Aontaithe It said the tiger switched to a round with more explosive filler
Yeah Is2 wins I dont even need to see the vid
Russssiann botttttt
@@International_Corn anyone who’s ever played the game knows the IS2 beats this tiger majority of the time, just better shell and armor
@@cleverlaziness it depends on the player you bozo
@@cleverlaziness yea yea am outta here, not gonna start a drama again with a random human on internet, no matter how many times you reply it will just get ignored by me myself
@@International_Corn i don’t think you’ve really played the game then, but okay! See ya later!
IS-2 is more likely a long rang vehicle due to is slow reload and amazing armor penetration
It's the opposite actually. At long ranges, you often need to shoot a ranging shot first (or you just miss your first shot anyway) and this is when having faster reload is crucial. At close ranges, where you basically can't miss longer reloads is not that big of an issue (unless you are facing multiple enemies, then you are screwed)
First the shell velocity is meh
2 “amazing armor penetration”
Me:shot a marder III manlet
Gaijin:No PENETRATION
@@NguyenLyubyuStrana Volumetric probs. And saying its armour pen for its BR is meh, or not good is showing more of a skill issue. Though you didnt give a full statement on the gun, probably just venting on the Pain that is Volumetric, afterall i have had a IS-2 shell bounce on my STUG 3, so i know the large calibre can be a pain
@@qaterdargon4041 bro big calibre could be rlly fun sometimes but most of the time,it just suffering
@@AugustSchroif I disagree, I myself tend to hit pretty consistently at range with the 122mm? Mainly because Soviet sights have high FOV and sure the zoom is not great but honestly that weirdly works to your advantage in making ranging targets more essy
Figured the IS2 would win, but the second battle where they both sat there not moving was a joke. Only someone without a clue of what was going on would do that.
Tiger E after they realize they can’t pen the back armor of a IS-2: he’s just standing there MENACING
It’s all fun and games being a soviet tank crew until you hear “ perkele “ in the snow
The fact that this show exists, on top of the absolutely asinine scenarios they play out, goes a long way to prove the problems with War Thunder and how Gaijin imagines their game is played.
The series doesn’t exist to show that a tank is better than another, so much as a tank has these strengths and weakness and how they can work in an actual combat scenario.
Just be gratefull gaijin actually cares a little about its community
Man those looks like more than Review then versus, everyone have the strategy to destroy both tanks, doesn't have really matter what tank you are using but if you know to use your strategy with this tanks you will make the best gameplay, gaijin I believe you need to calm down because I think you don't have Idea what are you doing
What?
Yep
@@braedynhoward3644 I think he said that strategy matters because these guys aren't good
@@sealioso yeah that is 2 was not using his front armour in the start there wich is the is 2s biggest stength
@@klauslunde I don't know about that because I don't play war thunder but I do know how to translate stuff like that
5.7 vs 6.0 Nice work gaijin
Edit: fixed to 6.0 but still, IS-1 vs Tiger H1 would make MUCH more sense than this
Is 2 ver 1943 is at 5.7 in rb and 6.0 in ab
@@senzanome5768 6.0 in RB but yea
@@WThunder231 wiki says 6.0
@@DirtL its 6.0
@@WThunder231 they change the B.R to 6.0
Idea: compare say a stock British vehicle (maybe the Cromwell V) vs a fully spaded, 150 ace crewed vehicle (maybe the Pz.IV G, or better yet a full up tier premium, T 34 747 (r)).
Now justify BR placements.
I think there cant be a comparison of tanks like this it always depends on the driver of the tank and how good he is, i dont like this shows a lot because of this
You shouldn't take this series as a comparison between tanks. It's just for entertainment
But i think of you Are watching this as a Not so experienced Player you Will tend to Play the is-2 f.e. here and Entertainment wise Are enough shows around like the Thunder Show Or so
This series shows the strengths of weaknesses of tanks, not how strong against another tank one tank is. It makes a point of the IS 2’s good rear armour, reverse gear, gun and horrid reload as well as weak spots, and similar things for the Tiger.
I think a fairer versus with the IS-2 would be the Pz.Bef.Wg VI (p), even against the 1944 variant of the IS-2 I think it'll be a fair fight
Gaijin raised IS-2 BR to 6.0🗿
6.3 now yey
that last death is like something I'd do when I have my brain off
Next round is going to be interesting. The rounded hull of the early Shermans is a massive liability if the Pz.IV gets the first shot, but there's plenty of vulnerabilities on the Panzer as well if the Sherman gets the drop on it. Hell, the sides of the hull on the Panzer can be penned by .50 BMG fire, let alone cannon rounds.
Yep , your prediction was right.
The panzer has no armor and the frontal armor on the sherman is kind of op
@@floppi7098 The early Shermans with the rounded hulls can be penned by aiming for the corners if he tries to angle. Lost count of how many I've killed that way.
@@Orca19904 i usually aim for the turret cuz that is pretty vulnerable aswell
How much 🐂💩 do you want?
Gaijin: YES
3:24 ah yes my favourite stalinium, it was forged by my very own babushka.
i feel like the first fight was at least less scripted than some other fights we have seen but still scripted none the less the is-2 most likely would have moved out of that position.
back to the players, when Tiger encounters IS in close combat battle, you just have to be able to immobilize the turret from stalin and when you see stalin in a strange position, once again revers stalin's is a meme just aiming at machine gun sight
I main Russia and Germany, and as a person that has both of these tanks, the Tiger is generally better, but the IS-2 has given me more wins
thats german teams for ya
i've played both and imo the is-2 is better
When the Tiger is angled, it’s generally the better tank in my opinion.
@@AOJ_Editzz this was 1 year ago bro 💀
As a Tiger main I hate M62 shell
Seems a bit unfair
Not really, the tiger can overpressure with the 88
@@tungabunga4107 with the he?
@@ANDREA57ITA nah with the base tiger 1h round
@@tungabunga4107 it does not pen that much
@@ANDREA57ITA 153 is enough pen
Love that the new 3d model is shown only in the thumbnail 😂. We gotta redo this fight when the Tiger Is get their new 3d model and armor model.
when i shoot the front plate of a tiger "hit, non pen"
gaijin: oh it seems your shell has clipped a tiny corner so now your shell has disappeared into the void
In round 2, the tiger should have moved backwards to let the 122 fall short or at least against the hull front.
When the tiger crew doesn't know how to angle properly:
Honestly it all depends on who shoots first.But overall i prefer Tiger E as it has slightly better mobility ratio,reload rate and armor(when angled) than IS-2 model 1943 combined with it’s one extra crew member and superior optics.
If it's tiger 1 vs is2 then I don't need to see the vid to actually know who wins, since it's not really a good comparison. But if it's a tiger 2 against is2, then that would be interesting
No it wouldn’t, it would be a stomp. IS-2 (1944) would be however
@@SirCabooseCCCP true. However for the tiger to actually stand a chance you need to play the mobility game, which is fine since the tiger 1 is a really mobile heavy tank. But it stands no chance frontally even if it angled
@@devilishruby1002 Same story with the is2 as it cant angle, if you know where to shoot that is.
@@SirCabooseCCCP well, the drivers hatch is pretty big
@@devilishruby1002 Both IS-2s have a big weakspot if they are angled, there is a yt vid on it
indecisiveness killed the tiger crew in the final round. if the tiger crew used its smoke correctly it could have prevailed
I dont know man seems like a skill issue not sure if this is the best way to rate stuff tbh both tanks are great though
Rate? This show is for entartainment only
This show is to demonstrate the strengths and weaknesses of tanks.
What about the Tiger II (Production) vs 1944 IS-2?
Yk the P stands for Porsche ?
@@mr_alte_schule790 no it doesn't
@@jrichter744 XD 🤣🤣 Look on WT Wikipedia
@@mr_alte_schule790 The “Porsche” turret is actually called the “Early Production” turret
Both are technically correct
this is more dependent on player skill then vehicle performance
Thank for the good content
Its all fun until the Tiger angles..
Man even the Germans here are brain dead. If you see and IS2 with the backward technique, you break off and find another angle. Nobody in their right mind will hope to keep trying to pen that backward technique with the IS2. The third round is just a patience game. Just like German players who just thinks that pressing W will mean that shells will automatically bounce.
If the IS-2 does that, you can use the Pzgr. shell to overpressure the crew. You need to avoid hitting the engine or the transmission.
Hitting the turret cheeks from that distance isn't so easy
@@carlblack8574 yeah but at that distance is just wishful thinking that you just need to repeat while the IS2 just needs to wait for the reload.
The point of the backward technique is that the IS-2 eliminates its frontal weakspots. It's a great technique on open maps where enemies can't hide as much even if they disable the engine.
T-34-85 or better yet the KV-85 or IS-1 would be a much better match to the Tiger 1, the IS-2 should versus the Tiger II instead.
Tiger E: 5.7
IS-2: 6.7
Very fair battle BR wise... Even more proof we need German Tigers and Panthers BRs RAISED again! Make 5.0 playable!
IS-2 is 6.0
@@chiefturion7134 Probably 6.7 in arcade due to aim indicator
@@chiefturion7134 yah didn't pay much attention and noticed only now it's the 1943 version... yikes
next match will be one of the "who clicks faster wins" assuming that F2 will be using traditional ambush tactics. If not M4 will win all except sniping duel. It's more mobile, stabiliser makes it shoot first during any encounters and i'm nearly certain it has better reload with same crew skill.
You made this video and yet the IS2 is 6.0 for some idiotic reason while the tiger is 5.7
Angle is safe point for the tiger, and also plot for the video saves Is 2, no way is 2 taking me out when I play tiger e
tiger even forgot that he has smoke lol
The scenario of the game does not correspond to the truth of war II 01:46, because regardless of the thickness of the frontal armor of the Tiger tank, alas, even without piercing the armor, the hit of the BR-471B 122 mm armor-piercing shell of the IS-2 tank gun is a guaranteed contusion of the Tiger tank crew, as well as damage to the guidance mechanism of the Tiger tank gun. This is a contusion not only for the crew of the Tiger tank, but also for all the mechanisms of the tiger tank. In boxing, this is called a knockout. In general, without breaking through the armor, for a guaranteed boxing knockout, the Tiger tank and its crew had enough concrete-piercing projectile of the IS-2 tank cannon
Really not surprised the IS 2 was made to destroy the tiger
It was made to destroy the tiger 2 not the tiger 1...well both if you look at it like this
Either way it was made to destroy a tiger variant
@@tobuutv4825 The 122mm was not a good AP gun . It was more an infantry support tank with big HE shells , the pen values in WT are way overrated . Well balance you know .
I don't know which is worse, the same arcade players opining how the tiger should have killed the IS-2 or the people brutally analyzing a "real battle" of war thunder
the video is not worth saying 😐
kinda feel that last battle was a little rigged , if i was the tiger i would have hit the track explosed on the angle and then flanked the IS for it to chase me and prepare an ambush . but thats just me
The IS-2 was a typical Soviet/Russian product; great on paper, borderline garbage in reality. Even so, it was by far the best heavy tank the Soviets ever built - but that's not really saying much.
It brought a big gun to the fight, but that's about it. It was a primitive vehicle, basically an upgraded KV-1 with a bigger gun and different armor layout. It was difficult to penetrate the upper front hull, but even non-penetrating hits resulted in deadly spalling in the interior, due to the very hard and brittle armor plates. The Soviets compensated for poor ammo quality by putting bigger guns on their AFVs. The 122mm on the IS-2 could actually barely compete with the 88mm L/56 on the Tiger 1 in sheer penetration. In one instance a Tiger 1 took a hit from an IS-2 to the upper front plate at just 25 meters, and the round glanced off the angled Tiger (Jentz 1995). The same Tiger 1 unit also reported that most IS-2s would turn away when they realised they were facing Tigers.
Please, give the IS-2 its real competition, Tiger II H. We'll see who comes out
Now let’s compare IS-2 1944 with Tiger II(H).
Skill Issue tbh attack the d point.
I hate how this series makes me feel like I'm watching something about world of tanks.
my favorite vs. show
Like cmon the tiger crew just lost brains after 1st round. Why would u reverse and show ur front to IS.... and long range? maybe like...move??
Wow, what a surprise…
L + where is trailer
Bro how is then even a fair macth up 💀💀💀
Well they both have gun guns, strong turrets and equal mobility, that’s why
@@SirCabooseCCCP one has a much better gun... wouldn't is-1 be the good counterpart? Same armour and same mobility like is-2 and a gun similar to the tigers 88mm
@@carsamba0055 The is-1s gun is a bit poo poo, the tiger can easily angle against it
Btw pls we need to uptier the is2 to 6.3 and the is2 1944 to 7.7 so the germans will be happy
Stop this sarcasm... but there are some tanks, that really need a rebalance.. like ratel20 from 70's with Milan atgm at 6.7 🤣 or ikv 91 from 60's at 7.0 with heatfs and laser rangefinder, which can fight 6.0 tanks from 1943-1945 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can you do T-34-85 Gai vs Panther G, Comet I, or ARL-44? Or Jagdpanther vs Su-100
Yes yes Gaijin knows how players play the game by turning the is1 and 2 around
Rethinking the idea that Gaijin should abandon the spreadsheet BR decider for one based on devs actually using the vehicles… if this is how they would use them anyway.
I love tiger than is-2, i have 59-70% winrate with tiger, its more reliable, good armor if you angled it. IS-2 has excellent penetration but longer reload, and worse gun depression.
The only reason the tiger didn't win was because the IS 2 had a 40 millimeter gunsize diference
Trailer when
Overpressure for the Tiger, yeah, right. More like it will just yellow the loader. Only thing that gets over pressure is the 122.
shuldent you put the tiger 2P against IS-2 instead of the tiger 1?
IS-2 vs Tiger II?
Not fair
Why did the tiger won in your first vs a few years ago?
Am I the only one who gets reminded of WoT when the tank score is shown?
Whoa! New voice actor or something?
I'm remember the old guy which was a grandpa I really likes him I miss him I can understand the reason why he left the Gaijin videos...
@@pitogyros0793 More like he was let go because he did a fuckywucky
This is the issue. They only compared these 2 nations. And when one loses to the other it gets buffed. HENCE WHY ALL OTHER NATIONS STAND NO CHANCE
Next B1 Centauro vs Radkampfwagen 90
The Tiger H1 had smoke why did it not use them.
Because gaijin let's total noobs playing these "versus" matches
I appreciate both since I use both tanks
Both did good effort but in the battle against veterans players or new players, strategy matters most. Having your weak armor while angling will get yourself killed in one shot by any other round by any tank… i but the is needs to be careful too, it also have plenty of weak spots too
u can tear the tiger up with the 122 at any range while with tiger u should aim for the ws. Even angling doesn't work against 122. Not to mention the 1944 version that has effective armor equal to tiger2s.
yeah i dont think a tiger would be straight upping an IS at range, theyd be shooting and moving to cover, likley not even dealing with that at that range, or atleast angling appropriate to the incoming round
did the players do paper scissors rock on the third round? that was a stalemate position, the winner was going to be the one that didn't move.
yea this is slowly going down hill
Didn’t you already do that?
Ho-Ri production vs Ferdinand / elephant
Can we talk about how stupid these battles are? Second battle: IS 2 fires at the ANGLED side of a tiger, doesn't pen, then proceeds to load HIGH EXPLOSIVE? In any normal circumstance, if the Is2 player is caught off guard, only then the tiger wins.
I mean, it worked? The AP can pen the mantlet anyway but maybe not at range
I think they're for entertainment purposes only 💀
IS-2 did everything right. IS-2 AP shell can't really pierce an angled tiger's hull, and mantlet is unreliable (there are a lot of places where it doesn't pen even at close range, which you can clearly see in the first encounter even in this video), and HE shell is a guaranteed kill if hit the turret. Yes, IS-2 HE shells kill tanks if you hit the turret. If you don't know that, maybe you are the one who just need to get better.
Shouldnt the tiger 2 be the counterpart of the is 2 ?
No, the is2 1944
@@MiG21fanboy Thats like saying tiger 2h and tiger 2p. Still a Tiger 2 in that case. Is2 = Is2
@@GHOST_CROATIA 🤡
@@MiG21fanboysoviet bot 🤡🤡🤡
The pz 4 f2 might win because of the Sherman's horrible armor.but ill be impressed if the sherman wins
The Is2 is the best way to use is with the engine in front and reversing, the engine absorbs all the spall from any shell that's aphe and not solid or apds.
Brits laughing in Sabot and solid shot
Just bounce your shell under it ^^ goodbye is-2
i wish the is2 wasant 6.3, my favorite tank was just moved to a unplayable br
I expected the IS-2 to win but holy hell, only realistic battle that would happen in game was the 3rd one.
No, Tiger would pop smoke and have the IS-2 waste its shot and then get a flanking shot, why would it not use its smoke?
@@janiconi6923 dumb person ig
@@janiconi6923 why would it also stay there like a moron right un front of a 122mm? I would slowly drive back and attack from a different place, than showing my side....
@@janiconi6923 So I would use his good reverse to see the smart tiger that just blinded himself
@@janiconi6923 a smart IS player wouldn't waste their shot if an enemy popped smoked
If I played the tiger that would be more different
WHERE THE THE IS THE TEASER
If only they were at the same br
Didn't I let you in the previous episodes.
IS -2 gonna win🥰
When Teaser?
Day #2 of asking war thunder to implement a artillery system and new artillery implements in every tech tree
Teaser when
Did the IS-2 win the second round by hitting the Tiger turret ring using a HE shell with 37 mm of pen at 1 km????????
For once, these two tanks are pretty equal : the same armor (in general), the IS-2 has a better gun and penetration but the Tiger has a way shorter reload with a gun a little bit less powerful.
But I'm glad to see my soviet boy wins ! 😆
Typical German players, looks more like a skill issue.
That whole fad of reversing IS-1s and 2s vs tigers and panthers makes me cringe, it does nothing to protect it from the one place you actually aim to kill them (turret cheek). PZgr (285g of HE filler) round straight through IS-1/2 turret cheek = instant death (regardless of what way they face their hull)....