2and900 - War Thunder Weekly That's an incredible advantage for the Tiger, man! Esp. considering the fact that the Tiger will get penned everywhere else...
And the other truth is that if you're not fast enough / miss your shot with the IS2 , you're dead aswell , both good tanks but better in different roles . Tiger for sniping , IS2 for close range ( consider Tiger was made to fight lil shermans , IS2 was made to counter tigers and king tigers )
IV AdmA i play aggressive with tiger and snipe with panther. Tiger 1 is excellent in close urban combat because of high fire rate and great armor when angled. It can often even withstand is-2 shells
IS-2 can sometimes bounce surprisingly bullshit shots. Tiger 1 won't rather bounce it... when I play Jpz IV /70, IS-2 is the absolutely only thing that can pen me on this tier with one shot
I played a lot angaist them and never learned the consistent weak spots lol. It's 40% of chance to kill in the lower glassis and about 30% in the turret ring. Probally the best is to shot the gun first to disable them kill the driver in the lower plate.
@@Gh0st_Eye True that the panther has less armor but it had more affective armor by its sloped armor design. Also if a tank can manage to shot at your flat side armor you must have made a big mistake.
My analysis based on the video: The Tiger is a more versatile tank, able to handle many different roles depending on its layout. The IS-2, on the other hand, seems like it has a very specific playstyle: heavy artillery, able to stay on the move and soak damage where it can, yet deal precise damage when allowed. The IS-2 works best when either in the hands of a skilled operator or when in a team configuration. The Tiger offers more flexibility, and can be modified to fill any assault roles required, be they anti-tank, scouting, or heavy support.
To be honest the tiger isn't even versatile, the panther at the same BR is a better choice. Panther has better speed and reverse, reload speed, turret speed and depression is the same. The speed of the panther is why i like it over the tiger.
50s are overperforming, to be sure, but not QUITE as much as people think. The reason they're so overpowered is due to them being the best MG in the game at holding kinetic energy over distance, which is important, since, unlike cannons, Mgs don't really spark. Also, any lack of HE is generally compensated for against fighters by a high RoF due to the large number of guns present on most US aircraft (read: basically everything besides trainer aircraft and a couple of recon planes), the later guns carrying better incendiary, which combines especially well with a gun with a high rate of fire, as it lets you roll the odds of setting things on fire more times per second than with, say, a hispano, and of course, the fact that cannons, in the current meta, are less powerful than they should be
First off 50 cals are not op cannons just need a buff and the reason people think 50 cals are op is because they rip wings instead of setting fires, i dont know why but they chose wing ripping instead of fire setting when they buffed them. And they have already been nerfed since the actual overpowered buff they recieved back with Italians.
"Everything, including the driver slit, can be easily penetrated by a tigers shell" Me: shoots at it... the is-2 absorbs the shell.... Me: "what?" Is-2: Da *kills me in 1 shot because I can't reverse into cover fast enough*
Two heavy tanks known in real life to be very tough and hard to destroy due to heavy armor - in WT: don't count on armor in either, it is very easy to penetrate and will help you only if you are very lucky. No tank's armor was designed to withstand hits from 50 meters and this is standard engagement distance in WT maps.
@@utzius8003 that never happened in real life and the gun itself doesnt have the raw penetration capabilities to even pen 150 mm of armor flat the tigers frontal armor is angled good luck with that ineed tiger 2 were destroyed but not by frontal penetrations
@@utzius8003 You should probably edit your other comment, as the overall projectile of APCR is full caliber, with only the penetrator is smaller than the caliber of the gun.
Gurika_D If it was about comparing those tanks in real life I'd agree but they are comparing those tank in War Thunder and both of them sit at a Br. of 5.7
IS-1 is not match for a Tiger at all. The Brs are good the way they are. I think an IS-2 is pretty easy to take out and often Tigers armor can absorb IS-2 shells
Shogun X Is2 easy kill, yeah. Tiger tanking 122mm ? LOL, no. They are both very easy kills for each other. IS kills heavies easier while Tiger kills meds easier as Tiger was a counter for the T34. IS was a counter for the Tiger.
In video, they forgot to say one thing, Tigers side armor is nearly as good as front. So Tiger can survive from side shots; and if you angle Tiger, it is unbeatable
German tanks are fine, well armoured and well armed beasts and the 2nd largest nation in game. You want to feel real pain play Japan. Or even worse, *CHiNa*
the 122mm russian gun was made to counter the german 12,8cm gun, which was used mostly as AA and for few tank hunters at the time. The tiger was of course a great surprise to the russians, which it did not take long before they made the IS-1, and later on the IS-2, forcing the germans making the Tiger 2 with its long amazing 8,8cm gun and overkill armor.
The is2 was a breakthrough tank designed to punch through gaps in defences and annihilate buildings The t34 was the tank designed for countering the tiger 1 and became the mbt of the Russians with easy construction cheap parts and 9 month expectancy design for active combat
The IS-2 is a breakthrough tank meant to handle both fortifications and enemy tanks. The 1944 model had 120mm sloped at 60 degrees armor, giving it 240mm line of sight thickness en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_tank_family#/media/File:IS-2_scheme_of_armour.jpg , which is stronger than the Tiger II frontal armor which was 233mm line of sight thickness. The 122mm could penetrate the Tiger II front turret at up to 1500 meters. english.battlefield.ru/analytics/126-was-the-tiger-really-king.html The IS-2 also had stronger side armor, at 90mm thick side armor.
German tank: shoot anywhere, and it's a one-shot kill. Russian tank: you have to shoot at specific places in order to pen. We see this behaviour *regularly* throughout this game, in several different tanks. It's an *absolute* advantage for the russian tanks. *How is this balanced???*
SlapThatBurger - WT have you actually played these tanks? ISU is disabled or killed in one shot while most tanks have a lot of trouble with the jadgpanther. Jagdpanther also has better maneuverability, speed, and penetration. There is no contest
Tiger: *Is a bit faster than the IS-2 in forward movement* Gaijin: This is a very slight advantage that won't be used in combat. IS-2: *Is somewhat faster than the Tiger in reverse movement* Gaijin: OH GOLLY THIS IS TRULY THE SUPERIOR TANK!!!1111!!!! LOOK AT IT GO, COMRAD!
@@thesovietduck2121 a good speed is better than a reverse speed, and the tiger can neutral traverse which is an gigantic advantage, but gaijin is russian ^^
Been playing with the IS-2 and IS-2 1944 and there gun depression is disgusting, one thing I’ll say is IS-2 is good in urban areas or areas with flat ground
The Tiger is a 1942 tank, the IS-2 is 1943 tank. A more apt comparison could be made with the IS-2 1944 and the Tiger II (P). Even then, though, the IS-2 and the Tiger aren't that far off from each other in War Thunder. Comparing the two in terms of three important characteristics (and some of the less important ones)... 1. Mobility Unlike on the video, I think this one goes slightly for the Tiger's advantage. Yes, the reverse speed of the Soviet tank is quicker, but my feeling is that the Tiger can probably maintain speed better while maneuvering, and speed on off-road conditions matters more than top speed on paved road. Neutral turn also often isn't the fastest way to turn a tank around, and you can pivot a Tiger around pretty fast by slamming on the brake on one of the tracks. That said I wouldn't necessarily give conclusive points advantage to either in terms of mobility. Maybe half a point for the Tiger? 2. Armour This is where the Tiger's earlier design becomes a vulnerability. Undoubtedly it's weaker than the IS-2... at least in equal situations. It's chassis is basically a box with minimal angling. However, the IS-2's weird hull design negates some of the advantages of angled armour, and shooting through the upper hull is a simple matter if it's exposed. The turret is tougher to penetrate, though, so if both tanks are hull-down, the IS-2 has a definite advantage. Point for the IS-2. 3. Firepower This is where the different philosophies between Soviet and German tank gun design start showing. The Germans preferred guns that had good reload, flat trajectory, good accuracy at long ranges, and excellent penetration. The Soviets tended to sacrifice reload rate and accuracy in favour of more destructive shots. The IS-2 is no exception, and this makes it difficult to compare its gun to that of the Tiger. The IS-2's gun is undoubtedly more modern than the Tiger's gun, which was adapted from the (in)famous 8.8cm FlaK 18/36/37 gun into the 8.8cm KwK 36 L/56. The flak gun had been used as a portable anti-tank gun in the African campaign, and its success in this area basically started the design of a tank that would use it as the main gun: This eventually became the PzKpfw.VI "Tiger". In terms of historical comparison, the 88mm gun was known for being exceptionally precise and feared for its great penetration even at long ranges. Its relatively swift reload also meant that a Tiger could put shots down range much faster than an IS-2. However, at close ranges the IS-2 with its larger caliber gun could devastate tanks like the Tiger or the Panther, and especially in fights where terrain constrains the fighting distances (like brawling on towns or cities), I would say the IS-2 probably had the firepower edge over the Tiger. However, since the guns are so different and have their unique advantages and disadvantages in different battlefield situations, I'm not awarding any points for either. They are different, yet more or less equal in effectiveness - the Tiger excels at long range, the IS-2 comes to its own at close range engagements. I would also point out that the shell with highest penetration is not necessarily the "best" shell to use. In most situations, the PzGr and PzGr.39 shells are your "bread and butter" in the Tiger and the effectiveness of the tank really depends on these two shells. One has slightly better penetration, the other has slightly more explosive filler. Both are great shells. On the IS-2 ammo, you get a similarly decent selection of APHE shells. No big difference here honestly, aside from the Soviet shells having more explosive filler due to being significantly larger caliber. 4. Gun handling, survivability, and other factors The Tiger has better gun handling due to its eight degrees of gun depression. That's five degrees more than the IS-2 has, and makes a substantial difference in how far you have to climb a hill before you can shoot over it. In terms of survivability when a hit penetrates the armor, I would actually rate the Tiger better due to it having more crew members and more spaced out in the box-like chassis. In the IS-2, all the crew is pretty close to the centerline and very vulnerable to a single shot piercing the fighting compartment. The result is that I tend to see a lot more IS-2 tanks get OHK'd than Tigers - with the exception of ammo explosions, of course, which are pretty equal for both. This in my opinion is worth half a point for the Tiger. The total point score is... One point for the Tiger, and one point for the IS-2. Resulting in the usual conclusion that the tank's crew and commander are what really matters!
and you are total wrong... an is-2 can just keep sniping tigers from a slight angle ground and the tiger will have no chance returning any valuable fire, the is-2 driver don't even need to aim, just hit the tiger "somewhere", anywhere, and its dead. you only talk about paper form, but the reality is completely different... the tiger would have to aim and pen the is-2 turret, which is not easy on a moving is-2 from a range, to disable its gunner but even then kill is not necessarily to come.
@@cuphead8159 I played a lot with Tiger 2 H I think that I have 1 and a half year and is3 never penetrated me from front at any angle. I managed to destroy it even from front (left or right of the gun) or the best, cupola shot. Same thing applies for the is6. I sniped it at the cupola from other side of the map. I quited now playing WT because of the Br which I consider not fair for the german tanks. I am not biased, I just say the truth.
Dude the tiger 2 can shreck an is 2 from like the lower front plate and the front of the turret, but the tiger 2 is basically impervious(frontally) to the is 2
Tiger is giant big box with 10% area of indestructible bouncing driver port. IS-2 is small and well angled with only a 7% driver port on the front which can be easily penetrated, but might also bounce. Yes the Tiger is great if the enemy gun is disabled or just keep shooting your bouncy driver window until they run out of ammo.
I loved the narrator in this one first with “Look at those CuRvEs” and then with the “you can survive a shot from the Tiger if you’re very cautious * cough cough* luck * cough*”
Can you please fix battle rating ? do you know how frustrating to grind the German tanks ? i keep getting in matches with my Tiger and Panther D against the british FV4202 and Caernarvon AND Centurion MARK 3 all 6.7 br wich has better armor that 88 cannons cant pen also FV4202 and Caernarvon HAS WAY MUCH BETTER cannons with over 220 pen ... ITS SO BROKEN AND I END UP QUITING THE GAME AND NEVER PLAY WARTHUNDER for the next MONTHS . FIX THIS PLS
its sounds easy for you to say . litterally lower plates are small and sloped and its really hard to shoot at it from a long range while you're playig as a panther D or tiger 1 that its a HUGE tank where everyone can see you from far away while FV4202 is quiet lower . go check it out again
OK so you do understand what im complaining about ???? and you proposed a dump solution that you can do it even with Panzer 4 wich not related to the issue at all and yet I EXPLAINED it to how it dosent even work . so you're the one talking out of the topic AND now you tell me IM COMPLAINING ABOUT LOWER PLATES ?????? read the comment again pls .. just LOL m8y . that explains alot . DID I EVEN MENTIONED WORD PLATES ON THE MAIN COMMENT ?? you mentioned it not me
but killing fv4202 is easy, just aim for the turret upper plate or to the low plate and is one shoot with all pzV, PzVI and if u have the long 88 just aim to the UPF
@@KarlMacmillann nah if both of them fought it would be whoever flanked eachother first since both of them can't pennetrate eachother frontally Plus the tiger 2 wasn't really that great of a tank it was big and slow and full of engine problems
You forgot to name that if you face the IS-2's back to any enemy tank, the transmission, engine and everything else will litteraly absorb all enemy fire, making you unkillable if not shot in the turret.
Even though their battle ratings are same it doesn't mean their comperable :P the Js 2 has 122 boom stick and better armor which should place it on higher br like 6.0 or something for balance :P *Note Don't forget Stali will guide Js 2s shots :)
The ap (armourm piercing) are the main anti tank ammunition but has low hit radius meaning it cant damage more enemies in a area the he (high explosive) are the ammunition used for infantry bunker busting and fortification destruction but not the main anti tank ammunition but it has high hit radium due to explosion so armour piercing is relatively better for anti tank and high explosive are relativelg better for infantry lightly armored cars and fortification destruction
I have 1800+ hours on Warthunder and I have to say... It's all about playstyle and how smart you play the tank. Both have their strong sides and bad sides, but overall the tiger I is the tank I enjoy the most and perform best in. :) My combined stats: 409 battles in IS-2 and IS-2 mod. 1944 win rate: 54,65% Kills: 596 465 battles in Tiger H1 and Tiger E win rate: 61,9% kills: 754 The kill count really shows how good the tiger I's firerate is. :D
The thing is depression is more important than elevation and 16 degrees of elevation is plenty. The Tiger's gun is better and should have won that point
The IS-2 tank was armed with a slow firing main weapon the D-25t gun. Ammo for this weapon was in two part : the cartridge case and the shell itself. The loader had to deal first with the shell, later on with the cartridge itself, making the loading procedure slower than that of the Tiger tank. There was another problem: The IS -2 carried a modest load of only 28 rounds vs about 68 rounds for the Tiger. Also the sights of the Tiger were better, giving the opportunity of better aim shots. With such poor ammo stowage capacity, the Is-2 was always under the logistic nightmare of running out of ammo for its main gun.
I find with two bad players, the IS-2 will win however with two good players the Tiger 1 will win. The tiger one is harder to use however like most german tanks if you understand how to use it properly it is a wonder and can dominate the battle field.
Personally... I favor the Tiger in general. Not because it's a good tank in general, but because all of its features and quirks that allow it to perform so amazingly well when you use it right. by that I mean using tactics and strategy besides 'hold W until you get to point, then cap it, then hold it, then spawncamp until win'. That's what IS-2's are good for. Me, I prefer finesse and style.
@@abercrombieblovs2042 I can't seem to understand what tactics do you mean. Tactics require team communication and coordination. Maximum one can do is to gather a bunch of people into a squad and play with voice chat. Then there's some room for tactics and strategie because I see nothing tactical in flanking on a tiger and using smokes to save your ass once in a while. War thunder is just very sophisticated world of tanks really
@@nolader28 Well, compared to what most players do, which is just hold W until they get to the point, it's pretty sophisticated if you ask me. My point wasn't really that - I was just saying the Tiger is so well balanced (in armor, speed, gun) that it's actually able to pull off some of those more unorthodox tactics.
i like how they describe a 'heavy' tank by saying "if an IS2 hits you anywhere, you're a goner". i would also add that most engagements are decided after the first shot: the is2 can certainly 1shot the tiger, with a chance to survive a hit even if the tiger shot first. put it this way: even though they have the same BR, the is2 clearly has the advantage in firepower and armor. i don't think smoke is as effective as an extra 18mm of angled armor, and when 1 shot is all you need, the slow reload is not a factor
when I see an IS-2 closing in on me I can feel my heart beat. my hands tremble. my head sweating. my fingers shaking. the sudden stop your brain makes when you know that if you do one wrong move. you are a dead man...
We have reached the point of saying that the Tiger has weak armor... I dont play tanks at all so I dont really know but wasnt the armor of the Tiger one of it's great advantages? Also please fix 50cals ffs so I can enjoy the game again
Autistic guitar you have to remember that War Thunder is a game, no matter how many times Gaijin would say it's a historically accurate simulator game, it's just a more realistic game than the other game. And with the fact that the Tiger's fate is in the hands of code, it was placed in a BR where it's armour is no longer a strong point of the tank. But, in 5.7 it can still use it, angled Tigers are headaches when I'm using my British 5.7 lineup and my US 5.3 lineup. 102mm of armour when angled is still formidable for anything that isn't an IS-2 or a KV-2. It's only not talked about here because of the Lolpen of the 122.
The tirer 1 was not very well armored no, it was for shermans with 75mm guns sure.... but not a 76mm or 85mm gun, which was out by the time the tiger was in the field.
The ergonomics part was left out. Usually the tank that can see its enemy first wins. The tiger had good a view and the IS-2 very poor sights. The Tiger was roomy inside so the crew could work together better, the IS-2 was very cramped to the point, that it inhibited proformance.
Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf.E” started production run in March 1943. == IS-2 started production run in February 1944. Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf.B (Sd.Kfz.182) Tiger II started production run in October 1943. Tiger I BR=6 IS-2 BR=6.3 Tiger II (P) BR =6.7
12 yo german obsessed kids: NOOOOOOO!! You cant kill my glorious Tiger its made from god himself and indestructable!!!! Me: *laughs in russian IS-2* Haha, Tiger goes Boom.
Tiger bounces everything and is fast with a decent reload imean cmon. Russian tanks at this br idk how they are surviving it's just magic. And then us usa players just have a stupid amount of Sherman's that dont pen anything and blow up when they get sneezed on.
As a large Tiger and is2 player I can say thr tiger can be very difficult to penetrate while angled and can easily take out the is2 but its the same for the is2 the is2 can take out it easily as long as its not angled and is at close range. The tiger is better at range then the IS2 but the tiger is also ment to be a flank vehicle it seems. However if you pen a tiger most players with it dont know what they're doing they take the most ammunition possible and with a 8 second reload there is no way you're gonna even shoot half of those rounds before the battles over. My advice take 22 shells it makes it much more difficult to get ammo racked and without a doubt will save you. Unless you're a incredibly bad shot you aren't gonna run through all 22 rounds.
Actually no, they just mounted on the rear the turret and gave him a beafer engine, trying to simulate the chrisler k, and darn it if they did a good job that thing is a bunker in sidescrape and destroys everything whit his punch, at least on wot, I assume it would be the same in wt
I have an idea for a War Thunder comparison.I suggest you to compare the centurion (you decide which one) and the M26 Pershing.A battle between mediums.
The most important thing is missing: reality check. There were only about 1.500 Tiger I:s ja about 500 Tiger II:s produced. Altought I've seen somewhere a littele higher numbers that doesn't help because there were over 4.000 IS 2:s. So there was at least 2 IS-tanks against every Tiger I or II. So the rest is history.
I'v been going up the Chinese tech tree. I'm using the 2 IS-2's they have. From what I'v seen, the Tiger can bounce the IS-2's shots - this happens usually when it's using it's much better gun depression and poking over a hill. On even terrain, one shoot is all it takes to destroy the Tiger, but if the IS-2 misses, bounces, shoots a different target and can't immediately hide, it's dead.
When judging the Tigers front plate you forgot to mention the 500mm Vibranium drivers port; don't ever shoot there!
Much like T-34s drivers hatch made out of at least 600mm Stalinium.
2and900 - War Thunder Weekly
That's an incredible advantage for the Tiger, man! Esp. considering the fact that the Tiger will get penned everywhere else...
165 mm vs 120 mm(141 mm) you can kill the IS2 through its driver port with the Tiger
lol ok i will show you
Also,if you don't angle your tiger and just rush like a headless chicken of course you will die you brainwashed wehrabitch.
"Best shell is APCR"
>Proceeds to use standard PzGr 39 APHECBC round, as the APCR is absolute worthless garbage
in all fairness he did say it has the most penetration but who are we kidding everyone uses the stock round
@@747simmer4 honestly I don't use the stock round, I use the one with more pen and less tnt filler. I usually 1 shot t34 and Shermans with it anyways
KewpZ the stock one is the one that has more pen and less filler........
I never bought those, the post-penetration isn't worth it.
They raised the frontal plate of the IS2 to 150mm, in the new update, its unfair even it cant pen 205mm
I love the narrator. He really seemed to enjoy his job! And that put a smile on my face.
He sounds like someone with a degree in history who finally left a menial job and found work relevant to his education.
“LoOk At ThOsE cUrVeS” had me actually laughing.
This aged like milk
@@x4jb908 Fr
It takes around 20 seconds to reload
**laughs in Sturmtiger**
ye
@@LegendOhil ye
but the sturmtiger has 380 cannon
@@erwinrommel7760 yes because german Quality.
Laughs in dameged loader kv2
Turn on captions at 0:24, thank me later
Lmao hahahaha
*PANZERKAMPFWAGEN SEX HAUS*
@Francisco 12 *E*
So...there are tanks...for hire, if you get my drift?
I got بانزيركامب
The Is-2 reverses so fast, I thought it was French!
Jammy Saville they didn’t need to fall back s.
Jammy Saville Obviously it is meant to ram a tank on your back for good 1vs10 Scrubs
XD made my day
Good one 😂
Fast reverse speed is also an advantage during tank combat.
The truth is, if you miss the IS-2s gunner first shot, you can say goodbye to your Tiger.
i see u everywhere
And the other truth is that if you're not fast enough / miss your shot with the IS2 , you're dead aswell , both good tanks but better in different roles . Tiger for sniping , IS2 for close range ( consider Tiger was made to fight lil shermans , IS2 was made to counter tigers and king tigers )
IV AdmA i play aggressive with tiger and snipe with panther. Tiger 1 is excellent in close urban combat because of high fire rate and great armor when angled. It can often even withstand is-2 shells
IS-2 can sometimes bounce surprisingly bullshit shots. Tiger 1 won't rather bounce it... when I play Jpz IV /70, IS-2 is the absolutely only thing that can pen me on this tier with one shot
oh okay i tought it was like " just ok " in close combats but i guess that's because i'm a noob in the game and only playing Kv2 nuke launcher .
In reality it's actually more common to face Centurions when playing Tiger 1. Now compare those (:
Rick S. Strong hull armor to effective no armor
I played a lot angaist them and never learned the consistent weak spots lol. It's 40% of chance to kill in the lower glassis and about 30% in the turret ring. Probally the best is to shot the gun first to disable them kill the driver in the lower plate.
@@Gh0st_Eye
Many tanks during ww2 can penetrate the tiger’s frontal armor. For example, the Sherman firefly.
@@Gh0st_Eye
The panther had better armor and armor penetration then the tiger.
@@Gh0st_Eye
True that the panther has less armor but it had more affective armor by its sloped armor design. Also if a tank can manage to shot at your flat side armor you must have made a big mistake.
6:00 99%? Then all of that 1% must be my encounters with a IS-2.
IS-2 Iitteraly can kill, most of time destroye its enemy
Is-2 can destroy is-2
Five Nights of Randomness if your aim is good definitely yes
Mate, then you havent met the IS-2 lol
@@z4zac05 I only *"IS-2"* I have found are the IS-3 and IS-6 on 6.7
My analysis based on the video:
The Tiger is a more versatile tank, able to handle many different roles depending on its layout. The IS-2, on the other hand, seems like it has a very specific playstyle: heavy artillery, able to stay on the move and soak damage where it can, yet deal precise damage when allowed.
The IS-2 works best when either in the hands of a skilled operator or when in a team configuration. The Tiger offers more flexibility, and can be modified to fill any assault roles required, be they anti-tank, scouting, or heavy support.
Nice summary
The tiger is a fat medium the is-2 is a sniper
@@esra9426 and the IS 2 is actually a heavy tank too lol
@@lutscher7979 you wanna try brawling in it?
It usually doesn't end up well
To be honest the tiger isn't even versatile, the panther at the same BR is a better choice.
Panther has better speed and reverse, reload speed, turret speed and depression is the same.
The speed of the panther is why i like it over the tiger.
How about bt-5 vs Leopard 2k?
That should be balanced
ekkuthegamer equal rights for all tanks!
ekkuthegamer but seriously they have about the same speed
Well the leopard 2k is faster...
One point!
Not far off i mean the bt-5 would probably lose by half a point due to it having better "looks" like the 64B did to the Abrams...
Compare Real 50cal vs WT 50cal :)
xD
War thunder have .50 cal or 50mm mg
50s are overperforming, to be sure, but not QUITE as much as people think. The reason they're so overpowered is due to them being the best MG in the game at holding kinetic energy over distance, which is important, since, unlike cannons, Mgs don't really spark. Also, any lack of HE is generally compensated for against fighters by a high RoF due to the large number of guns present on most US aircraft (read: basically everything besides trainer aircraft and a couple of recon planes), the later guns carrying better incendiary, which combines especially well with a gun with a high rate of fire, as it lets you roll the odds of setting things on fire more times per second than with, say, a hispano, and of course, the fact that cannons, in the current meta, are less powerful than they should be
Or the german 13mm rounds
First off 50 cals are not op cannons just need a buff and the reason people think 50 cals are op is because they rip wings instead of setting fires, i dont know why but they chose wing ripping instead of fire setting when they buffed them. And they have already been nerfed since the actual overpowered buff they recieved back with Italians.
"Everything, including the driver slit, can be easily penetrated by a tigers shell"
Me: shoots at it... the is-2 absorbs the shell....
Me: "what?"
Is-2: Da *kills me in 1 shot because I can't reverse into cover fast enough*
I feel your bad luck...
Hahaha
Lol you fighting the 1944 version? The armor is much better on that one
I always found the is2 to match king tigers, i must have died to is2s at least 100 times. I've even seen tiger IIs get owned from frontal engagement.
Avionic7779x driver port on is 2 1944 is even weaker
Two heavy tanks known in real life to be very tough and hard to destroy due to heavy armor - in WT: don't count on armor in either, it is very easy to penetrate and will help you only if you are very lucky. No tank's armor was designed to withstand hits from 50 meters and this is standard engagement distance in WT maps.
A Tiger 2 got frontally penned by a Russian 76 using subcaliber ammo at 30m. At such close ranges armor is irrelevant.
@@utzius8003 that never happened in real life and the gun itself doesnt have the raw penetration capabilities to even pen 150 mm of armor flat
the tigers frontal armor is angled
good luck with that
ineed tiger 2 were destroyed
but not by frontal penetrations
@@utzius8003 When did the 76mm have subcaliber/APDS rounds?
@@quentagonthornton49 APCR.
@@utzius8003 You should probably edit your other comment, as the overall projectile of APCR is full caliber, with only the penetrator is smaller than the caliber of the gun.
0:24 Turn on captions and that's how more German tanks were made.
*Z e x h a u s*
When they said the best of which is the APCR I almost died.
you mean you turned yellow
In my hundreds of battles in the tiger, I've never once penetrated the lower plate of the IS 2. And I've definitely tried.
probably using the M18 then.
Try with Panzer IV, it's much easier. :D /watch?v=VCuq8yWhcaY
I destroyed IS-2 with my Jagd IV by shooting the lower plate. It does work better than other spots, except most of the time.
Swich the shelles
pretty easy with the Marder III H
Tiger II (P) vs IS-2 or Tiger I vs IS-1 would be more fair
Gurika_D i agree
Why do you think that?
Gurika_D If it was about comparing those tanks in real life I'd agree but they are comparing those tank in War Thunder and both of them sit at a Br. of 5.7
IS-1 is not match for a Tiger at all. The Brs are good the way they are. I think an IS-2 is pretty easy to take out and often Tigers armor can absorb IS-2 shells
Shogun X Is2 easy kill, yeah. Tiger tanking 122mm ? LOL, no. They are both very easy kills for each other. IS kills heavies easier while Tiger kills meds easier as Tiger was a counter for the T34. IS was a counter for the Tiger.
0:26 English caption
*"panzerkampfwagen sex house ye"*
Nice one bro
wtf
@@kornet001 that do be like that
0:30
Caption: Panzerkampfwagen sex house ye
Me: thats illegal
Lmao
So tru
How dare they ruin my name
xD lol
@@panzerkampfwagenausf.b.797 Do you like to have $ex with T34??
best shell is not apcr as it is useless in combat, you are misguiding the noobs here. They will load apcr then cry
Agreed
best shell in terms of pen , thats why he said that
Lu Ks I guessed so,but still; point stands.
best German shells are the Standard ones (in most cases)
yea it shows that gaijin does not even know how their game works
IS-2 vs Tiger? Easy decision...Panther!
maus
panther = haram
@@JAGDTIGER128 haram? Wdym
How To Do Things Only Germans understands this this joke
@@ming_qi_ling i have my own definiton of haram.I just wondering if its the same one.
0:52 кто-то забыл перевести
0:52 someone forgot to translate
LOL
Nice bro
"you can bounce a few shots from a tiger, if your careful and lucky"
me: "you can bounce many shots from a tiger, if you turn your IS2 into a forest"
In video, they forgot to say one thing, Tigers side armor is nearly as good as front. So Tiger can survive from side shots; and if you angle Tiger, it is unbeatable
Yea a angled tiger at 5.3 is like a down tiered maus
80 mm side and 100mm front
Unless you shoot its face with an is2 122m gun 😂
Just shot the turret then....
@@Z_THORITY you do realize that the tigers mantlet is extremely trolly right? Trying to shoot it is complete RNG if the tiger wiggles it
russian tanks in a nutshell: You dont even have to aim!
Sad but true
German tanks in nutshell:buy a premium or play another nation lol
German tanks are fine, well armoured and well armed beasts and the 2nd largest nation in game. You want to feel real pain play Japan. Or even worse, *CHiNa*
@@thomasmacdonough288 Or Italian
@@katyusha1283 sometimes it I forget Italy has ground forces I think they are so bad I mentally block them
@@thomasmacdonough288 There are good italian tanks. But other than 3-4 tanks Italy is trash.
Werent the IS series and the T-34-85 both specifically made to fight both Tigers?
not really ISU 122 AND 152 was really desing to destroy bunkers IS-2 is more to will everything
the 122mm russian gun was made to counter the german 12,8cm gun, which was used mostly as AA and for few tank hunters at the time.
The tiger was of course a great surprise to the russians, which it did not take long before they made the IS-1, and later on the IS-2, forcing the germans making the Tiger 2 with its long amazing 8,8cm gun and overkill armor.
Joshua Carr not true . It was ment for bunkers too . But primary objective was to destroy Tigers and it did well .
The is2 was a breakthrough tank designed to punch through gaps in defences and annihilate buildings
The t34 was the tank designed for countering the tiger 1 and became the mbt of the Russians with easy construction cheap parts and 9 month expectancy design for active combat
The IS-2 is a breakthrough tank meant to handle both fortifications and enemy tanks. The 1944 model had 120mm sloped at 60 degrees armor, giving it 240mm line of sight thickness en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_tank_family#/media/File:IS-2_scheme_of_armour.jpg , which is stronger than the Tiger II frontal armor which was 233mm line of sight thickness. The 122mm could penetrate the Tiger II front turret at up to 1500 meters. english.battlefield.ru/analytics/126-was-the-tiger-really-king.html The IS-2 also had stronger side armor, at 90mm thick side armor.
Fun fact, the IS-2 was one of the only relatable heavy tank during WWII. The tiger couldn’t even reach the battlefield without breaking down.
*reliable
This test would make sense.
If they are in the game against each other, not cold war, prototypes, etc.
I love one shotting the IS-2 in a Panzer F2 :)
German tank: shoot anywhere, and it's a one-shot kill.
Russian tank: you have to shoot at specific places in order to pen.
We see this behaviour *regularly* throughout this game, in several different tanks. It's an *absolute* advantage for the russian tanks. *How is this balanced???*
It's balanced in their mind that's all that matter.
sounds like the real life counter part
Yeah, like the russian Tiger 2H... wait.... nevermind it's german.... ISN'T IT
I imagine you've never actually played a soviet tank.
Now we're talkin about bullshit mechanics what about those American 50 Cals
ISU-152 vs Jagdpanther?
Jagdpanther 24/7
Jagdpanther STOMPS
SlapThatBurger - WT have you actually played these tanks? ISU is disabled or killed in one shot while most tanks have a lot of trouble with the jadgpanther. Jagdpanther also has better maneuverability, speed, and penetration. There is no contest
Womb Raider notice the '?'.
One of the WarThunder Duels that they lined up together was the ISU-152 (or JSU-152) and Jagdtiger
Me to my boys when I spot that eye candy 2:17
PLEASE change the 122 back to the good “Ping” sound. Make our vodka launcher great again
Tiger: *Is a bit faster than the IS-2 in forward movement*
Gaijin: This is a very slight advantage that won't be used in combat.
IS-2: *Is somewhat faster than the Tiger in reverse movement*
Gaijin: OH GOLLY THIS IS TRULY THE SUPERIOR TANK!!!1111!!!! LOOK AT IT GO, COMRAD!
If you think a slight reverse advantage isn't impressive, Then you haven't played War Thunder
@@thesovietduck2121 If you aim your shells right, you won't have to reverse. A drive-by from which your enemy won't recover doesn't require reverse.
@@tuna5774 hol up Mr. Cocktus what is that in your profile picture?
@@thesovietduck2121 a good speed is better than a reverse speed, and the tiger can neutral traverse which is an gigantic advantage, but gaijin is russian ^^
@@lucasserralta6477 But the tiger is a little bit faster forward. And the IS-2 is almost 3 times as fast in reverse.
Me who just killed 3 IS 2 in 1 match with a Tiger H1: well it depends who controls the tank
Thanks but am taking all the money.
@@TigerWithAnChristmasHat1224 yeah sure
5:22 "What about depreSSSSion" Jesus Christ that whistle, RIP headphone users. :D
Bruh
Stfu bro
Its a thing evreone has
Been playing with the IS-2 and IS-2 1944 and there gun depression is disgusting, one thing I’ll say is IS-2 is good in urban areas or areas with flat ground
@@OSkengz4488 I noticed that pretty quickly too
Being able to fire the Tiger main gun nearly 3 times for a single shot from the IS-2 is still quite an advantage.
Im german and i enjoied so much when he said panzerkampfwagen oh my god i loved it😂😂good vid btw
Me too :) I am russian though
кто-то ah vodka oh wait im muslim
@@howcanyoureadthistheresnop9244 stereotypes)
Wow a germany player thats not salty about their tank getting rekt?
@@z4zac05 ususally ıs and tiger combat be like:
Both break down
5:25 listen to that whistle lmao
Yeah im dying laughing wow lmao hahahaha My heart is gon stop m8
He was happy, so he decided to whistle
Looool
The Tiger is a 1942 tank, the IS-2 is 1943 tank. A more apt comparison could be made with the IS-2 1944 and the Tiger II (P).
Even then, though, the IS-2 and the Tiger aren't that far off from each other in War Thunder. Comparing the two in terms of three important characteristics (and some of the less important ones)...
1. Mobility
Unlike on the video, I think this one goes slightly for the Tiger's advantage. Yes, the reverse speed of the Soviet tank is quicker, but my feeling is that the Tiger can probably maintain speed better while maneuvering, and speed on off-road conditions matters more than top speed on paved road. Neutral turn also often isn't the fastest way to turn a tank around, and you can pivot a Tiger around pretty fast by slamming on the brake on one of the tracks.
That said I wouldn't necessarily give conclusive points advantage to either in terms of mobility. Maybe half a point for the Tiger?
2. Armour
This is where the Tiger's earlier design becomes a vulnerability. Undoubtedly it's weaker than the IS-2... at least in equal situations. It's chassis is basically a box with minimal angling. However, the IS-2's weird hull design negates some of the advantages of angled armour, and shooting through the upper hull is a simple matter if it's exposed. The turret is tougher to penetrate, though, so if both tanks are hull-down, the IS-2 has a definite advantage. Point for the IS-2.
3. Firepower
This is where the different philosophies between Soviet and German tank gun design start showing. The Germans preferred guns that had good reload, flat trajectory, good accuracy at long ranges, and excellent penetration. The Soviets tended to sacrifice reload rate and accuracy in favour of more destructive shots. The IS-2 is no exception, and this makes it difficult to compare its gun to that of the Tiger.
The IS-2's gun is undoubtedly more modern than the Tiger's gun, which was adapted from the (in)famous 8.8cm FlaK 18/36/37 gun into the 8.8cm KwK 36 L/56. The flak gun had been used as a portable anti-tank gun in the African campaign, and its success in this area basically started the design of a tank that would use it as the main gun: This eventually became the PzKpfw.VI "Tiger".
In terms of historical comparison, the 88mm gun was known for being exceptionally precise and feared for its great penetration even at long ranges. Its relatively swift reload also meant that a Tiger could put shots down range much faster than an IS-2. However, at close ranges the IS-2 with its larger caliber gun could devastate tanks like the Tiger or the Panther, and especially in fights where terrain constrains the fighting distances (like brawling on towns or cities), I would say the IS-2 probably had the firepower edge over the Tiger.
However, since the guns are so different and have their unique advantages and disadvantages in different battlefield situations, I'm not awarding any points for either. They are different, yet more or less equal in effectiveness - the Tiger excels at long range, the IS-2 comes to its own at close range engagements.
I would also point out that the shell with highest penetration is not necessarily the "best" shell to use. In most situations, the PzGr and PzGr.39 shells are your "bread and butter" in the Tiger and the effectiveness of the tank really depends on these two shells. One has slightly better penetration, the other has slightly more explosive filler. Both are great shells. On the IS-2 ammo, you get a similarly decent selection of APHE shells. No big difference here honestly, aside from the Soviet shells having more explosive filler due to being significantly larger caliber.
4. Gun handling, survivability, and other factors
The Tiger has better gun handling due to its eight degrees of gun depression. That's five degrees more than the IS-2 has, and makes a substantial difference in how far you have to climb a hill before you can shoot over it.
In terms of survivability when a hit penetrates the armor, I would actually rate the Tiger better due to it having more crew members and more spaced out in the box-like chassis. In the IS-2, all the crew is pretty close to the centerline and very vulnerable to a single shot piercing the fighting compartment. The result is that I tend to see a lot more IS-2 tanks get OHK'd than Tigers - with the exception of ammo explosions, of course, which are pretty equal for both.
This in my opinion is worth half a point for the Tiger.
The total point score is... One point for the Tiger, and one point for the IS-2. Resulting in the usual conclusion that the tank's crew and commander are what really matters!
and you are total wrong... an is-2 can just keep sniping tigers from a slight angle ground and the tiger will have no chance returning any valuable fire, the is-2 driver don't even need to aim, just hit the tiger "somewhere", anywhere, and its dead. you only talk about paper form, but the reality is completely different... the tiger would have to aim and pen the is-2 turret, which is not easy on a moving is-2 from a range, to disable its gunner but even then kill is not necessarily to come.
Imagine an is3 against a tiger 2 h
@@cuphead8159 I played a lot with Tiger 2 H I think that I have 1 and a half year and is3 never penetrated me from front at any angle. I managed to destroy it even from front (left or right of the gun) or the best, cupola shot. Same thing applies for the is6. I sniped it at the cupola from other side of the map. I quited now playing WT because of the Br which I consider not fair for the german tanks. I am not biased, I just say the truth.
Dude the tiger 2 can shreck an is 2 from like the lower front plate and the front of the turret, but the tiger 2 is basically impervious(frontally) to the is 2
@@smeminem1258 you are wrong there 😄 just wrecked a Tiger II(P) through turret face.
Tiger is giant big box with 10% area of indestructible bouncing driver port.
IS-2 is small and well angled with only a 7% driver port on the front which can be easily penetrated, but might also bounce.
Yes the Tiger is great if the enemy gun is disabled or just keep shooting your bouncy driver window until they run out of ammo.
Lol some noob don't know how to play a game
Tip: throw smokes at every corner that is near an enemy strong hold
3:46 Eyyy u destroyed the KV-1, '' calls KV-6 ''
I loved the narrator in this one first with “Look at those CuRvEs” and then with the “you can survive a shot from the Tiger if you’re very cautious * cough cough* luck * cough*”
Luck needed to survive from Tiger Shell
Can you please fix battle rating ? do you know how frustrating to grind the German tanks ? i keep getting in matches with my Tiger and Panther D against the british FV4202 and Caernarvon AND Centurion MARK 3 all 6.7 br wich has better armor that 88 cannons cant pen also FV4202 and Caernarvon HAS WAY MUCH BETTER cannons with over 220 pen ... ITS SO BROKEN AND I END UP QUITING THE GAME AND NEVER PLAY WARTHUNDER for the next MONTHS . FIX THIS PLS
Or you could shoot the lower plate
its sounds easy for you to say . litterally lower plates are small and sloped and its really hard to shoot at it from a long range while you're playig as a panther D or tiger 1 that its a HUGE tank where everyone can see you from far away while FV4202 is quiet lower . go check it out again
FEZZ_HH well, for one, you're complaining about higher br stuff. And two, their lower playes (at least on the cents) are quite large.
OK so you do understand what im complaining about ???? and you proposed a dump solution that you can do it even with Panzer 4 wich not related to the issue at all and yet I EXPLAINED it to how it dosent even work . so you're the one talking out of the topic AND now you tell me IM COMPLAINING ABOUT LOWER PLATES ?????? read the comment again pls .. just LOL m8y . that explains alot . DID I EVEN MENTIONED WORD PLATES ON THE MAIN COMMENT ?? you mentioned it not me
but killing fv4202 is easy, just aim for the turret upper plate or to the low plate and is one shoot with all pzV, PzVI and if u have the long 88 just aim to the UPF
4:41 TRRRREEEEE
Well, all I can think is IS-2 is built to counter the Tiger, so it’s kinda unfair truly.
And the tiger is built to counter t 34s in war nothing is fair
@@putnamehere3803 And Tiger IIs along with Panthers are built to counter IS-2s
@@KarlMacmillann and then the is-3 was built to counter both of them
@@putnamehere3803 For Panthers, yes, for Tiger IIs, you'd need 2 of them along with 10 close air support planes.
@@KarlMacmillann nah if both of them fought it would be whoever flanked eachother first since both of them can't pennetrate eachother frontally
Plus the tiger 2 wasn't really that great of a tank it was big and slow and full of engine problems
Is-2 no gun depression and that entire area under the turret is 1 shotter's dream.
You forgot to name that if you face the IS-2's back to any enemy tank, the transmission, engine and everything else will litteraly absorb all enemy fire, making you unkillable if not shot in the turret.
This is why I use my IS-2 in reverse only. Decent speed, and the engine better armor than the front plate
Bruh from my experience it would be more like: "t34 - 57 vs Tiger E"
6:16
Why are you hiding the lack of this feature, cannons can go through obstacles.
And that “drivers slit” is the same Achilles Heel that’s on the IS1, KV85, and all KV1/2’s on the IS2 mod. 1944 just aim for the turret face...
If you missed a shot against an Tiger, Your IS-2 is fucked up.
I ricochet IS-2 shots rarely while playing as the tiger, but if you catch the IS-2 while it’s reloading its a goner
0:27 the legend says the legendary sex house, hes not lying
Hahahah😆
“-sex house ye.” - The Narrator.
its not sex its sechs
@@AmarNisic_ Lies, deception
My experience in Shermans is that Tigers, especially
Even though their battle ratings are same it doesn't mean their comperable :P the Js 2 has 122 boom stick and better armor which should place it on higher br like 6.0 or something for balance :P
*Note Don't forget Stali will guide Js 2s shots :)
The ap (armourm piercing) are the main anti tank ammunition but has low hit radius meaning it cant damage more enemies in a area the he (high explosive) are the ammunition used for infantry bunker busting and fortification destruction but not the main anti tank ammunition but it has high hit radium due to explosion so armour piercing is relatively better for anti tank and high explosive are relativelg better for infantry lightly armored cars and fortification destruction
This almost sounded like a Christmas animated special narration. "And that's when poor Rudolf ran into the Great Abominable Snowman!"
I have 1800+ hours on Warthunder and I have to say...
It's all about playstyle and how smart you play the tank.
Both have their strong sides and bad sides, but overall
the tiger I is the tank I enjoy the most and perform best in. :)
My combined stats:
409 battles in IS-2 and IS-2 mod. 1944
win rate: 54,65%
Kills: 596
465 battles in Tiger H1 and Tiger E
win rate: 61,9%
kills: 754
The kill count really shows how good the tiger I's firerate is. :D
*a wild ASU-57 appears* ;-)
*NANI!!?!??!?!?!?*
LightBeerTV ah try and pla america or britsh then you will se how broken german and russians really are
TheDarkSlo meanwhile you take out a T34 and enjoy Tiger 1 bouncing all around off you
Ivan Wong you mean tiger or t34 bouncing
Jagdpanther vs Su-100
The thing is depression is more important than elevation and 16 degrees of elevation is plenty. The Tiger's gun is better and should have won that point
Wath abaut air battles everybody would attack a hevy tank
Smart science Guy nevil is that you?
@@zacharyloh4261 no
gaijin: is2 cant bounce hits from 5.3 tiger
(proceeds to put is2 at 6.0 to fight kingtigers)
The IS-2 tank was armed with a slow firing main weapon the D-25t gun. Ammo for this weapon was in two part : the cartridge case and the shell itself. The loader had to deal first with the shell, later on with the cartridge itself, making the loading procedure slower than that of the Tiger tank. There was another problem: The IS -2 carried a modest load of only 28 rounds vs about 68 rounds for the Tiger. Also the sights of the Tiger were better, giving the opportunity of better aim shots. With such poor ammo stowage capacity, the Is-2 was always under the logistic nightmare of running out of ammo for its main gun.
Tiger better 1👍=1 point for tiger
4:41 T H R E E
For some reason, I thought of that part being made into a voice clip and put to some electronic-genre track...
I find with two bad players, the IS-2 will win however with two good players the Tiger 1 will win. The tiger one is harder to use however like most german tanks if you understand how to use it properly it is a wonder and can dominate the battle field.
ok so being able to one shot an enemy is the same ability as throwing smoke screens, got it
ffs so true
Personally...
I favor the Tiger in general.
Not because it's a good tank in general, but because all of its features and quirks that allow it to perform so amazingly well when you use it right.
by that I mean using tactics and strategy besides 'hold W until you get to point, then cap it, then hold it, then spawncamp until win'.
That's what IS-2's are good for.
Me, I prefer finesse and style.
@@abercrombieblovs2042 I can't seem to understand what tactics do you mean. Tactics require team communication and coordination. Maximum one can do is to gather a bunch of people into a squad and play with voice chat. Then there's some room for tactics and strategie because I see nothing tactical in flanking on a tiger and using smokes to save your ass once in a while.
War thunder is just very sophisticated world of tanks really
@@nolader28 Well, compared to what most players do, which is just hold W until they get to the point, it's pretty sophisticated if you ask me.
My point wasn't really that - I was just saying the Tiger is so well balanced (in armor, speed, gun) that it's actually able to pull off some of those more unorthodox tactics.
Skill with the tiger together with ALL its advantages obviously is the key
My comment was wrong ... Sorry Gaijin :(
they are russian and biggest WT community is russian im hope its good enough answer
Because sekrit dokuments xaxaxax)
They're both 5.7...
Gallohar 2208
Tiger should be at 5.3
Gallohar 2208 idiot they both have same br
i like how they describe a 'heavy' tank by saying "if an IS2 hits you anywhere, you're a goner". i would also add that most engagements are decided after the first shot: the is2 can certainly 1shot the tiger, with a chance to survive a hit even if the tiger shot first. put it this way: even though they have the same BR, the is2 clearly has the advantage in firepower and armor. i don't think smoke is as effective as an extra 18mm of angled armor, and when 1 shot is all you need, the slow reload is not a factor
It's not a factor in 1v1 engagements ... Which in most cases don't happen that much as there will always be an another tank somewhere
I loose brain cells when the narrator says "KPH" instead of Kilometres per hour.
Or when he just says "Ausph"
I loose brain cells having to explain it’s spelled lose
when I see an IS-2 closing in on me I can feel my heart beat. my hands tremble. my head sweating. my fingers shaking. the sudden stop your brain makes when you know that if you do one wrong move. you are a dead man...
I love that the subtitles of this video say that panzerkampfwagen VI ausf E,
is "panzerkampfwagen sex house ye"
Ohh and in 99% in times i meet IS2 with my Tiger, I win.
This video is quite bias
*"Stalinium save the IS-2"*
Killing:
Tiger I /w Is-2 Ez
Is-2 /w Tiger I OH OHHHHHHHHHH HANZ LOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKK
I remember playing IS-1 in 2015, when you are constantly matched only against tigers and panthers. They got like 90% win rate
I say give the Tiger an extra point for it's reload speed, but this assessment is, truly, right.
6:01 HOW DID THEY GET THIS FOOTAGE OF ME, STUPID IS-2
Maus vs IS4M!
Maus wins because IS4M has a "weak" gun (When maus player is not retarded and angled)
well both can pen each other at weak point the IS 4 at the driver hatch maus at the turret
Is4 can shot trap and shoot turret but maus can shoot upper hull
@@ANukeWithLegs the is4m gun is powerful when comparing it on low tier but on high tier its not compatible
@@frostthehos6512 no really, the maus has reducedvarmour in the turret
We have reached the point of saying that the Tiger has weak armor... I dont play tanks at all so I dont really know but wasnt the armor of the Tiger one of it's great advantages?
Also please fix 50cals ffs so I can enjoy the game again
Autistic guitar you have to remember that War Thunder is a game, no matter how many times Gaijin would say it's a historically accurate simulator game, it's just a more realistic game than the other game. And with the fact that the Tiger's fate is in the hands of code, it was placed in a BR where it's armour is no longer a strong point of the tank. But, in 5.7 it can still use it, angled Tigers are headaches when I'm using my British 5.7 lineup and my US 5.3 lineup. 102mm of armour when angled is still formidable for anything that isn't an IS-2 or a KV-2. It's only not talked about here because of the Lolpen of the 122.
The tirer 1 was not very well armored no, it was for shermans with 75mm guns sure.... but not a 76mm or 85mm gun, which was out by the time the tiger was in the field.
Well, the T-34s could actually mess it up if they got too close and flanked, and the 85mm gun just made it worse so the Tiger fought at range.
The ergonomics part was left out. Usually the tank that can see its enemy first wins. The tiger had good a view and the IS-2 very poor sights. The Tiger was roomy inside so the crew could work together better, the IS-2 was very cramped to the point, that it inhibited proformance.
Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf.E” started production run in March 1943. == IS-2 started production run in February 1944. Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf.B (Sd.Kfz.182) Tiger II started production run in October 1943. Tiger I BR=6 IS-2 BR=6.3 Tiger II (P) BR =6.7
12 yo german obsessed kids:
NOOOOOOO!! You cant kill my glorious Tiger its made from god himself and indestructable!!!!
Me:
*laughs in russian IS-2*
Haha, Tiger goes Boom.
Russian Bias Intensifies
Tiger bounces everything and is fast with a decent reload imean cmon. Russian tanks at this br idk how they are surviving it's just magic. And then us usa players just have a stupid amount of Sherman's that dont pen anything and blow up when they get sneezed on.
That's bc this br is usually the first new players go to for germans. Also fresh tiger 1 players only have tiger 1
As a large Tiger and is2 player I can say thr tiger can be very difficult to penetrate while angled and can easily take out the is2 but its the same for the is2 the is2 can take out it easily as long as its not angled and is at close range. The tiger is better at range then the IS2 but the tiger is also ment to be a flank vehicle it seems. However if you pen a tiger most players with it dont know what they're doing they take the most ammunition possible and with a 8 second reload there is no way you're gonna even shoot half of those rounds before the battles over. My advice take 22 shells it makes it much more difficult to get ammo racked and without a doubt will save you. Unless you're a incredibly bad shot you aren't gonna run through all 22 rounds.
This is only more interesting since these two goliaths actually met in combat.
Joseph stalin is here 2 win
at the expense of civil casualities, gulags, and food problems.
Yep he is .
I was playing with the tiger and I survived about 6 shots from a IS-2 and killed it
Funny thing, a Variant of the IS series called the "IS-M" was basically a backward driving IS with beefy amour and has a good speed.
Actually no, they just mounted on the rear the turret and gave him a beafer engine, trying to simulate the chrisler k, and darn it if they did a good job that thing is a bunker in sidescrape and destroys everything whit his punch, at least on wot, I assume it would be the same in wt
1:58 the IS-2 win by it's reverse speed
Not in Soviet
You reverse = goolag
It's a lie...
Secret IS 2 tactics to go in battle backwards, so the engine can tank a hit and you can shoot back
The Tiger II H vs IS-2 1944 would be a much fairer comparison
This is a BR-based comparison
I have an idea for a War Thunder comparison.I suggest you to compare the centurion (you decide which one) and the M26 Pershing.A battle between mediums.
My ear says : Panzerkampfwagen zex ausf E
The subtitles says : Panzerkampfwagen sex house ye
The most important thing is missing: reality check. There were only about 1.500 Tiger I:s ja about 500 Tiger II:s produced. Altought I've seen somewhere a littele higher numbers that doesn't help because there were over 4.000 IS 2:s. So there was at least 2 IS-tanks against every Tiger I or II. So the rest is history.
I'v been going up the Chinese tech tree. I'm using the 2 IS-2's they have. From what I'v seen, the Tiger can bounce the IS-2's shots - this happens usually when it's using it's much better gun depression and poking over a hill. On even terrain, one shoot is all it takes to destroy the Tiger, but if the IS-2 misses, bounces, shoots a different target and can't immediately hide, it's dead.