Very good! Regarding Atari 800 (and all Atari 8-bit computers), it's not easy to define graphic capabilities, there are a lot of graphic modes, with many resolutions, with overscan too, like the successor Amiga. In the display field I would write "max 336x240, 128 colors palette". The palette, increased to 256 colors in 1982 when CTIA chip was replaced with GTIA, was an important feature in 1979.
Thanks for the excellent info! You're absolutely right, it's not easy to provide normalized figures with all these different kinds of machines. I first thought about putting the palette and then decided otherwise.
From a hardware engineering perspective, the IBM PC's 8088 CPU is an 8-bit CPU but from a software engineering perspective, it is a 16-bit processor. The 8088 has an 8-bit data bus and is the same as the 8086 CPU which has a 16-bit data bus, but the 8088 is slower because it takes twice as long to move data in from RAM and out to RAM again. It would be best to call the CPU a 16/8-bit hybrid.. Later IBM PS/2 systems used the 8086 CPU and were much faster, but still ran 16-bit software.
Thanks a lot for those details and for all your feedback in general. I had to make choices, couldn't provide all subtleties in a short video. But there will be another one.
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Why list three essentially-the-same 68000 Macs, but miss the MacII and Atari STE from 1989? Why miss the A1200 as a separate machine to the A500? And most importantly, you've missed Acorn's Archimedes/RISCOS machines altogether.
I agree that following the "family series" logic there shouldn't have been the 3 Macs. It's a small intentional mistake. I'll make another more exhaustive video.
@Retro Dream yeah +1 for the Archimedes, although used more in schools it was probably appropriate for home use (lots of teachers bought them) I upgraded from bbc micro. It's also hugely important as the first machine to use the ARM chip/architecture (Acorn RISC Machine) without which we wouldn't have all sorts of devices: phones, tablets and the like, all the way up to the latest Macs. So if the Lisa goes on here as a fairly rare and hugely expensive, home machine, then the Archimedes certainly deserves a place. Otherwise, nice vid 😉
Nice video but there are some incomplete or even wrong specifications on some machines. For example the Amiga 500/1000 CPU: 7.16 MHz for the NTSC version or 7.1 MHz for the PAL version NTSC mode: 3200x200 / 640x480 PAL mode: 320x256 / 640 x512 Colors: 320x200/320x256 (32) 320x200/320x256 (64) extra Half-Brite (not on A1000).There are some games that take advantage of this mode. It is a feature of the chip itself. It is not a software hack. And what about the HAM6 mode? HAM6 mode allows up to 4096 colors. Mainly it was used for digital images but there are also demos and even some games that make use of this mode on static images. I would continue with other computers but the message would be very extensive :)
And similarly, I'd have added all details if I had chosen to make an extensive video... But I chose a limited one, leaving room for another more extensive video later :)
@@desUBIKadoYT Wow. I just lost some respect for the ZX Spectrum designers. Why wouldn't they put another shade of grey in there like other 2x8 palettes?
@@RetroDream Your image shows a Tandy Color Computer 2 early model (white case with the chicklet keyboard). It was based on a 6809 cpu and had up to 64kb. The graphics reached 256x192 monochrome or 128x192 in 4 colors The Color Computer 3 released in 1986 had expanded specs, with up to 512kb RAM, double speed, and 320x225 16-colors graphics or 640x225 in 4 colors. It has nothing to do with the specs you display. The specs are likely for a TRS-80 Model 1, based on the Z-80 CPU.
Amiga 1000 got 4096 colors. HAM is used in the video (CDXL) and IFF images +++!
Beautiful! Retro vibes all over again.
Thanks 😊
Great illustration and design with the retro computer visuals!
Thanks a lot!
Ils sont TOUS là !!
Thank you !!!!!
Presque tous ;)
Plus complet dans la prochaine!
Very good! Regarding Atari 800 (and all Atari 8-bit computers), it's not easy to define graphic capabilities, there are a lot of graphic modes, with many resolutions, with overscan too, like the successor Amiga. In the display field I would write "max 336x240, 128 colors palette". The palette, increased to 256 colors in 1982 when CTIA chip was replaced with GTIA, was an important feature in 1979.
Thanks for the excellent info!
You're absolutely right, it's not easy to provide normalized figures with all these different kinds of machines.
I first thought about putting the palette and then decided otherwise.
From a hardware engineering perspective, the IBM PC's 8088 CPU is an 8-bit CPU but from a software engineering perspective, it is a 16-bit processor. The 8088 has an 8-bit data bus and is the same as the 8086 CPU which has a 16-bit data bus, but the 8088 is slower because it takes twice as long to move data in from RAM and out to RAM again. It would be best to call the CPU a 16/8-bit hybrid.. Later IBM PS/2 systems used the 8086 CPU and were much faster, but still ran 16-bit software.
Thanks a lot for those details and for all your feedback in general.
I had to make choices, couldn't provide all subtleties in a short video. But there will be another one.
The Sinclair QL is not part of the ZX Spectrum series. It is completely incompatible as it has a different CPU.
Hello there 😺👍!
I'm your new retrospective channel subscriber
from Vantaa, Finland 🇫🇮.
I play the original Commodore 64 (tape/disk)
and Amiga 500 😺👍🕹️.
And most of all, i draw my own furry comic arts 🖋️🖊️✏️🖍️ 😺👍.
And your channel is definitely retrospectively awesome 😺👍🕹️.
Thank you 😸😺👍.
You didn't include other compatible models on the Amstrad CPC. Why would you list the 6128 separately when you didn't for other series?
I did for some of them. But it's difficult to stick to a strict rule. I'll have a more exhaustive study with much more machines in a subsequent video.
ATARI TT is missing, also ATARI MEGA 2/4, ATARI 800XL
They are mentioned as "other models in the series"
Why list three essentially-the-same 68000 Macs, but miss the MacII and Atari STE from 1989? Why miss the A1200 as a separate machine to the A500? And most importantly, you've missed Acorn's Archimedes/RISCOS machines altogether.
I agree that following the "family series" logic there shouldn't have been the 3 Macs. It's a small intentional mistake. I'll make another more exhaustive video.
@Retro Dream yeah +1 for the Archimedes, although used more in schools it was probably appropriate for home use (lots of teachers bought them) I upgraded from bbc micro.
It's also hugely important as the first machine to use the ARM chip/architecture (Acorn RISC Machine) without which we wouldn't have all sorts of devices: phones, tablets and the like, all the way up to the latest Macs.
So if the Lisa goes on here as a fairly rare and hugely expensive, home machine, then the Archimedes certainly deserves a place.
Otherwise, nice vid 😉
The Tandy TRS-80 image is wrong. You have a Tandy Color Computer image.
My bad.
Great video. And great graphics..I only missed my Commodore Plus/4
Had to make choices... The Commodore Plus/4 and 16 and many other machines will be part of another, more complete study to come!
Also it's too bad none of the NEC PC-series computers were included :(
That's incorrect, there's the 88000
@@RetroDream time-stamp?? I don't even see it in the description...
Nice video but there are some incomplete or even wrong specifications on some machines.
For example the Amiga 500/1000
CPU: 7.16 MHz for the NTSC version or 7.1 MHz for the PAL version
NTSC mode: 3200x200 / 640x480
PAL mode: 320x256 / 640 x512
Colors:
320x200/320x256 (32)
320x200/320x256 (64) extra Half-Brite (not on A1000).There are some games that take advantage of this mode. It is a feature of the chip itself. It is not a software hack.
And what about the HAM6 mode?
HAM6 mode allows up to 4096 colors. Mainly it was used for digital images but there are also demos and even some games that make use of this mode on static images.
I would continue with other computers but the message would be very extensive :)
And similarly, I'd have added all details if I had chosen to make an extensive video... But I chose a limited one, leaving room for another more extensive video later :)
For the Commodore PET, the Models in the Series section should include the 8000 series which had 80 column displays.
Beautiful. One quip: the IBM PC is depicted with a Model M keyboard that came later (PS/2).
Ah yes that's correct! My mistake :)
Most estimates for the Commodore 128 sales are at least 5 million units. Wikipedia has 5.7 million units.
Wikipedia is not always right
@@RetroDream Bil and Dave both reckon more than 5 milllion, and I'd believe them.
I thought the C64 sold about 15 mil, is this US only? Edit: Ah I guess it's for the whole series then
Yes whole series
@6:14 it is Atari Falcon 030 not 30 !!!
You didn't include other compatible models for the Apple Macintosh.
Haha yea, but I couldn't include everything, you know :)
You mean like the Atari ST with a monochrome monitor ? :-)
Technically, the IBM PC ran at 4.77 MHz, not 4 MHz.
Wrong illustration shown for the 1977 Tandy. You showed the Tandy Radio Shack Color Computer 2, when it should have been the TRS-80 model 1 instead.
Yes it was an intentional (but unfortunate as it seems) stretch between models.
No Acorn Electron / Archimedes? No Sharp x68000?
Next time will be more complete.
No (very prominent) Tandy 1000 series? No IBM PC AT and it's clones?
Had to make choices for this video, there will be another one with a more exhaustive list.
Check my 2nd video about this timeline
I see a Philips 8020 and a red one.
MSX yes. The red is the Yashica
We have both.
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I like that kind of comments.
Let's hope your wish will be granted ;)
This video was prepared for a long time!
The ZX Spectrum has 16 colors, not 15. Black is a color.
Black and black with bright is the same, ergo, 15 diferents colors is right
@@desUBIKadoYT Wow. I just lost some respect for the ZX Spectrum designers. Why wouldn't they put another shade of grey in there like other 2x8 palettes?
Your specs for the trs-80 Color Computer are wrong.
Precise
@@RetroDream Your image shows a Tandy Color Computer 2 early model (white case with the chicklet keyboard). It was based on a 6809 cpu and had up to 64kb. The graphics reached 256x192 monochrome or 128x192 in 4 colors The Color Computer 3 released in 1986 had expanded specs, with up to 512kb RAM, double speed, and 320x225 16-colors graphics or 640x225 in 4 colors.
It has nothing to do with the specs you display. The specs are likely for a TRS-80 Model 1, based on the Z-80 CPU.
that's corrected in the new release