I've been thinking about doing a similar review for a while now...nice to see someone make a quality comparison video for the community! I'll be sure to mention this on my podcast this weekend and give you a shout-out. Keep up all the great content JP!
I've bought the tqs full price new. Me personally i use most of the additional buttons, dials and switches. The only thing I don't use is the lever. For zoom I use the little extra 2 way button tm added (just below dogfight/missile override switch) works very well. Never had to recalibrate anything it work well out of the box even for the f15c I didn't do recalibrate for the ab detention. The friction was also not an issue for me always stayed in place. Even when I let it go. The chaff/flare is used in either semi or auto cm mode if I am correct. personally don't use it enough as I use bypass usually. I've been using it for a few months now never regretted spending 420€ on it (equal to over 500-550$) Granted I did also buy tm warthog setup and thought it would go well together. The difference in shapes of buttons might actually be due to different block version the throttles are for. Yours are block 60 judging by the imprint not sure what the tm one is for
I think I have an idea for you to get a better angle for the WinWing throttle - if your cockpit allows for it. What if you mounted the unit so that the base was angled nose-down? I realize it may make some of the switches more difficult to use but I think it would increase the comfort and realism for how the throttle grip feels. Forgot to mention, I found this comparison extremely helpful.
If you bought the throttle section off eBay, then that's probably where your problem is. I bought the Thrustmaster combo and for the last five months I've beat the hell out of it with no problems noted. It was $541 including tax, so way too expensive, but I'm a Thrustmaster fan since the F22 stick days (what, 25 years ago?) and I'm happy with their products. BTW, the "Slap switch" is in the actual aircraft. The Block 60 is a specific UAE product (the country.)
Looks like I am sending mine back due to as they say "abnormal input." So the tech tech team is going to look at it. I really hope they fix this. 500 bucks for my RDR cursor, antenna elevation knob, and about 3 more while throttling up and down. Let's see what happens with them, well let you know. I am nervous they wont be able to fix it and ill be miserable😢.
Good review. After months of use it's actually meaningful. I wanted Super Taurus, but it wasn't on sale when I was buying. Viper throttle also wasn't obtainable at that time. In effect I went full Virpil instead (this took four months too). One of the knobs on the base is turning a little bit odd. Other than this kink, I am a very happy guy. As for your Winwing situation, wouldn't mounting it at an angle solve your problem?
Kind of a problematic comparison. Your TQS almost certainly seems broken with the throttle drooping like that and is probably why whoever sold it on eBay. You should be more up front that it’s used as your core issue is almost certainly that and you may even be missing a part to address it. I don’t know how that might address the “smoothness” bit given how it’s pretty much the same contact/friction point, I’d say you have a polluted TQS sample. Lastly, I find to hard to take seriously that you don’t mention the WinWings terrible 5 way hat in the MANRBG knob. Multiple standalone reviews, that came out before the TQS was released, mention that making the knob itself hard to use or entirely useless and that’s bad considering it’s a core F-16 HOTAS function. Maybe don’t make the normal stuff hard to access while adding whatever extras
i dont like the unrealistic buttons changed on the handle itself, I can get over the base button box but the manual range being a 5 way hat is a deal breaker for me
@@dennisa7784 That’s a compromise towards the JF-17, which uses the same F-16 throttle grip, but has a hat switch in place of the manual range knob. It gives the Winwing throttle a little extra useful functionality. Also an extra hat switch is never unwelcome, especially when flying other jets than the F-16. It’s mostly the design of the separate scroll ring which is the issue. Perhaps a singular “funky-switch” knob cover would’ve been better. It would then be more like the original manual range knob, which simply also can be pushed fwd/back and sideways as well as rotated and pushed in.
@@tver funky switch wouldve been the move for sure for a F16/JF17 throttle. And I do see the value that some people see with the hat instead, I just prefer authenticism which is why I'm buying an F16 throttle in the first place right? If I wanted ultimate functionality I would just go with a normal warthog or something for half the price. I get what you're meaning by adding more value to people who fly other planes but I just don't think that's the best move on a throttle made for people who fly a very specific plane. Because if I wanted value I would be buying a normal generic split throttle for not 500$
If you notice, all good throttles have arc to em for muscle memory to allow the pilot to "feel" the throttle position. It's cool to see such an expensive side by side comparison even if you think it was a waste of your time. Cheers!!
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I've been thinking about doing a similar review for a while now...nice to see someone make a quality comparison video for the community! I'll be sure to mention this on my podcast this weekend and give you a shout-out. Keep up all the great content JP!
I've bought the tqs full price new.
Me personally i use most of the additional buttons, dials and switches. The only thing I don't use is the lever.
For zoom I use the little extra 2 way button tm added (just below dogfight/missile override switch) works very well.
Never had to recalibrate anything it work well out of the box even for the f15c I didn't do recalibrate for the ab detention.
The friction was also not an issue for me always stayed in place. Even when I let it go.
The chaff/flare is used in either semi or auto cm mode if I am correct. personally don't use it enough as I use bypass usually.
I've been using it for a few months now never regretted spending 420€ on it (equal to over 500-550$)
Granted I did also buy tm warthog setup and thought it would go well together.
The difference in shapes of buttons might actually be due to different block version the throttles are for. Yours are block 60 judging by the imprint not sure what the tm one is for
The winwing seems to have the correct travel, the thrustmaster seems a lot shorter.
Winwings f 16 throttle is tiny
I think I have an idea for you to get a better angle for the WinWing throttle - if your cockpit allows for it. What if you mounted the unit so that the base was angled nose-down? I realize it may make some of the switches more difficult to use but I think it would increase the comfort and realism for how the throttle grip feels.
Forgot to mention, I found this comparison extremely helpful.
For the thrustmister Add a washer in the bottom between the gray metal axis point and the plastic that holds it it inscease the friction by alot
If you bought the throttle section off eBay, then that's probably where your problem is. I bought the Thrustmaster combo and for the last five months I've beat the hell out of it with no problems noted. It was $541 including tax, so way too expensive, but I'm a Thrustmaster fan since the F22 stick days (what, 25 years ago?) and I'm happy with their products. BTW, the "Slap switch" is in the actual aircraft. The Block 60 is a specific UAE product (the country.)
the winwing throttle doesnt have the chaff flare button because the winwing f16 stick has a CMS
Looks like I am sending mine back due to as they say "abnormal input." So the tech tech team is going to look at it. I really hope they fix this. 500 bucks for my RDR cursor, antenna elevation knob, and about 3 more while throttling up and down. Let's see what happens with them, well let you know. I am nervous they wont be able to fix it and ill be miserable😢.
Good review. After months of use it's actually meaningful.
I wanted Super Taurus, but it wasn't on sale when I was buying. Viper throttle also wasn't obtainable at that time. In effect I went full Virpil instead (this took four months too). One of the knobs on the base is turning a little bit odd. Other than this kink, I am a very happy guy.
As for your Winwing situation, wouldn't mounting it at an angle solve your problem?
Nice video thank you! Where did you buy the "Sheep Cover" of your seat?
Have you calibrated the throttle after reinstalling firmware?
Sat in a viper 2 times at air shows having tried both the thrustmaster is more realistic.
Probably could 3d print an adapter to adjust the grip angle.
Just out of curiosity, did you try the Thrustmaster with Falcon BMS to see if the "Instant AB" issue is a throttle issue or a DCS issue?
It has nothing to do with the sim
thank you.
at least here in EU you can get the WINWING F-16 throttle and stick for CHEAPER than the TM Viper TQS. It is ridiculous imo.
What ?? they are practically the same price where I am. Actually with shipping the wing wing costs more.
@@alexsp7086 Thats without the TM mission pack (which is the base with buttons)
Kind of a problematic comparison. Your TQS almost certainly seems broken with the throttle drooping like that and is probably why whoever sold it on eBay. You should be more up front that it’s used as your core issue is almost certainly that and you may even be missing a part to address it.
I don’t know how that might address the “smoothness” bit given how it’s pretty much the same contact/friction point, I’d say you have a polluted TQS sample.
Lastly, I find to hard to take seriously that you don’t mention the WinWings terrible 5 way hat in the MANRBG knob. Multiple standalone reviews, that came out before the TQS was released, mention that making the knob itself hard to use or entirely useless and that’s bad considering it’s a core F-16 HOTAS function. Maybe don’t make the normal stuff hard to access while adding whatever extras
He’s a chinese shill
I don't think Thrustmaster is better than Winwing in any way. Winwing does her job simply perfectly.
i dont like the unrealistic buttons changed on the handle itself, I can get over the base button box but the manual range being a 5 way hat is a deal breaker for me
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That’s a compromise towards the JF-17, which uses the same F-16 throttle grip, but has a hat switch in place of the manual range knob.
It gives the Winwing throttle a little extra useful functionality. Also an extra hat switch is never unwelcome, especially when flying other jets than the F-16.
It’s mostly the design of the separate scroll ring which is the issue. Perhaps a singular “funky-switch” knob cover would’ve been better. It would then be more like the original manual range knob, which simply also can be pushed fwd/back and sideways as well as rotated and pushed in.
@@tver funky switch wouldve been the move for sure for a F16/JF17 throttle. And I do see the value that some people see with the hat instead, I just prefer authenticism which is why I'm buying an F16 throttle in the first place right? If I wanted ultimate functionality I would just go with a normal warthog or something for half the price. I get what you're meaning by adding more value to people who fly other planes but I just don't think that's the best move on a throttle made for people who fly a very specific plane. Because if I wanted value I would be buying a normal generic split throttle for not 500$
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Dude you spent like 5-6 minutes on throttle position... what a waste of time
If you notice, all good throttles have arc to em for muscle memory to allow the pilot to "feel" the throttle position. It's cool to see such an expensive side by side comparison even if you think it was a waste of your time. Cheers!!