I haven't tried either of these but I do have the Thrustmaster TPR pedals which are as close to a real life aircraft as you can get. Easy damper mod if you want it. Pricey but worth it.
I've heard many people talk about them and love them. I've never tried them with a damper mod though. Biggest difference is the linear throw. There's no arc which is good.
@@notarokescientist3003 Very realistic spacing to a 172. You have to lift them onto your thighs as in real life 🤣 (I used to fly the 152, 172 and 182 as a PPL).
@@ColinDyckes I have 6 hours in 172 35 years ago. Jewel crusher. The Thrustmasters were on my radar until I started measuring. I started with a set of CH products drive/fly pedals which had me singing soprano. Slaw-device and MFD pedals still are interesting.
I have the Virpil AI model with the damper. They are awesome. The toe brakes are adjustable to be more vertical. Need to use the Virpil configuration software to calibrate them. You will need some metric tools to assemble and adjust them. Worth the $400 cost!
You forgot to add the fact that the Virpil comes with different cams and springs to be installed. Personally I went with Winwing because of availability.
Like you it’s something about that damper that slightly takes away from the experience. It’s sticks a bit too much making it twitchy. I usually play the Apache in DCS and having smooth inputs for that particular module is an absolute necessity. Something I feel that I have to fight the pedals constantly with, even with finely tuned user curves. I don’t have any other pedals to compare, but your description of the Virpil pedals’ smoothness is awfully tempting, if only they had stock. Are the damper struts the same dimensions between the two? If so have you thought about switching the Virpil onto the Winwing? I’m going to see if I can source some of my own and see if that makes a difference, or maybe use some silicon based grease to see if that makes a difference.
@@THESHADOW97139without the damper it’s very loose, we’re talking very very slight movements, but also very precise because you don’t have that stiction that you get with the Winwing damper being on. However then I feel like I’m constantly over correcting. I’ll set the damping force to its minimum setting and report back here on my opinion later
@@Locutus720 I see.... I come from the motorcycle world and this type of shock absorber is present on the fork of certain motorcycles, you should take a look at it
@@kriskalisgames I would give him mine too for review/comparison, but I am way too far… And while at it, I have version 2. What is the difference between v2 and v3?
Soni had them on order a while back with the damper but I ended up cancelling it because the winwing rudders became available. I feel if I buy another set of rudders now my better half might explode.
@@g-locmedia I hear you, brother. 🤣 I would lend you mine, but we live hours of flight away, so unfortunately that won’t work. Pity, because I value your opinion and your excellent content. BTW, who is Soni?
I have the virpil with the damper, I have them mounted on my motion rig (DOF p3) without the feet . They are very nice , I have a brunner ffb yoke and joystick base. The only upgrade may be a set of brunner ffb rudder peddles. The ffb really brings the sims alive.
In regards to the angle of the toe brakes, I dealt with it for over a year before it clicked to change the curves in game for dcs and it’s been great ever since. Far less travel needed to brake fully.
I have both, but got to give the Virpil the better value, and use. Only thing I did is put another spring inside the factory springs to give the pedals more force with the ACE
Also, only Winwing offers a quick release spring wich is ENORMOUS for helicopter pilots. HUGE. The virpils you can remove the spring, but its not nearly as easy or quick.
@@SIMRIG412 They do give have a warranty and are willing to replace parts. In addition compared to say, ThrustMaster, who once the warranty expires won't even allow you to BUY parts, Winwing will. How do I know? Because I just went through it with both companies. Perhaps do some research, or maybe ask the company about their policies before posting heh.
@@SIMRIG412 Winwing offers a 1 year warranty, and will sell you parts if you need them after, unlike thrustmster, who will not sell you parts. I know this because I just tried to buy parts from thrustmster, they flat out rejected. Winwing in the other hand is sending me parts as we speak. Perhaps you should do a bit of research before making claims?
@@g-locmedia it is a simple solution getting the angle just right is a challenge but doable. The WWl pedals have a lot going for them but just enough drawbacks to keep me happy with the Virpils. I often wonder about the MFD's in comparision.
@@g-locmedia nah no damper, tbh could use one though, theyre quite springy, that being said dont notice while flying with them... wow, wat a contradictory answer haha forgive me its late
Not sure, but I think you're saying Winwing has a stickiness, in the middle? something like a center detent or something? While Virpil is smooth all the way across the range of movement. Is that accurate?
@@g-locmedia I have a cheap set of Logitek pedals and I set up a dead space because I tend to apply pressure when I don't mean to. So, maybe that's not a problem as mentally, it's centering and that's where we want thing.
@@g-locmedia I was also thinking it could just be the individual damper. For instance, on the racing side the Fanatec V3 damper kit is kind of hit or miss. Some say they are perfectly smooth and some have issues with sticking and leaking. Is the stickiness only there when it's maxed out? Does it go away when you turn it down? Do they use the same mounting? Maybe you could swap the dampers and see if it's an issue with the damper itself, or the pedal design. I think I'm going to get the WinWings regardless, but they are on preorder at the moment and I'm a little worried I'll be waiting forever. The site says 8/9 but I've been fooled before.
I got the Winwing because they have stock here in Australia, I heard there’s is a big import tax on Russian items, and your first review really sold them on me. They arrived yesterday with the new FliteSim CLS-60 FFB yoke which is very cool and we’d all love to see your take on it. On the pedal stickiness, there are two washers either side which should stop any binding (but I didn’t over tighten following your advice from before). I also didn’t notice the stickiness with the damper especially with the spring off. With the spring on there is a slight free play area where the spring is not in tension, this could be the odd feeling you’re getting - or you could have a faulty damper. Maybe ask for a replacement.
I contacted flitesim.com but they never got back to me. Some companies don't like to work with me because I point out the the good and bad points. With the stickiness on the winning, it's really miniscule. Both rudders are superb.
@@g-locmediayour reviews are superb. Fabian has been told personally on his discord to get you a unit, it’s a bit cheeky that he didn’t send one because most of their sales would be due to your FFB yoke reviews. If you’re in Sydney you can borrow mine, but sounds like you’re in the GC.
Hey, I've had three Virpil imports. As long as the cost is not over one thousand dollars there's no extra fees, although the last one came very close with minus 10%. Also lucky that time with free shipping which made the deal.
@@g-locmedia I keep checking eBay, hoping to snag a deal! I love the fact that all the guts are covered unlike the Winwing and Virpil rigs. Proper dust traps! Probably end up getting the Winwing though.
Being in Australia, I'm looking at purchasing the Wingwing and fitting a FFB servo/controller, which I already have. Good quality for the price, not worth DIYing my own.
There are a lot of things coming this year and next. We're going to be spoiled as flight simmers. The niche is growing and the big players are starting to wake up
@@g-locmedia they had a us warehouse before the skywalkers came out. I know because I ordered them right after they came out, and the US store had been open for a while yet.
just from general vibe around the community, Virpil sounds like the best, followed by perhaps crosswinds then winwing, but for living in Canada, winwing is gaining interest for me due to the prices & included shipping & tax & duty. I would like to try them all out somehow.
The only issue that I have with my Virpils is that the USB connection sometimes malfunctions pushing my rudder all the way in one direction which can be seriously annoying on take off (resulting in a crash). I also had to remove a cover after a while since with the cover on one of my toe breaks gets stuck (at least the signal send out).
@@g-locmedia never reported it. Would take me ages if I had to send it back and the work around works fine. Once in a month the breaks or rudder still gets hung. Wiggling the connection makes everything fine again.
Not saying that’s going to be the case with everyone, but I had four dampers with varying degrees of stiction making them all useless. You wouldn’t expect all four to be that bad but that was my experience, so I’m going a different route. I just found a guide to add FFB to the Virpil pedals, that’s what I’ll be going with as I’m done with the dampers as the quality control on them is awful. Maybe a more expensive steering damper would be less likely to have stiction but I don’t know.
@@Locutus720 Of the four I tried, two were from Amazon, one was from the MFG Crosswind kit, and then when Virpil came out with their kit I tried that. They are all the same or basically the same when it comes to these cheap dampers.
I've heard of people using motorcycle steering dampers which is quite interesting. FFB on the virpil pedals sounds insane. I'd be keen to see that work when your done.
@@g-locmedia the dampers are precisely that, motorcycle steering ones (well, more or less). I'm going to see if I can order easily user serviced ones to see if playing with different types of damping oils make a difference and even if that's a thing. Also th-cam.com/video/AWd7LjSCXhk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Number481 the virpil mod in action
The damper is just one typically used on motorcycle handlebars, which you can get for £30-£40. It’s the bracket you need to connect at each end that will depend on the pedals. These are typically 3d printed to fit a certain part of the pedals, but a more generic clip might be cross compatible. I’m currently investigating the options for my TPRs.
@@g-locmedia was it during or after Covid? Because they had issues back then but I also got a throttle and it came in three weeks. But usually unless they aren’t getting certain parts in, peoples stuff usually corks within 1-3 weeks.
I reckon the "Staright Outta China" flight sim products are getting much better. With companies like MOZA joining the ranks it going to be an interesting few years.
@@g-locmedia I saw that premature review drop of the force feedback stick. (Moza still has reviews embargoed). That looks interesting. A high end force feedback stick that isn't "a guy will build you one for $850". I understand that will make a big difference in my helo and warbird flight, especially baby Huey. The other thing that got me really liking Virpil was their responsiveness to the people who buy their gear. V1 of Virpil's HOTAS didn't have a Slew stick on the throttle. People brought it to them, v2 of Virpil's throttle has a slew. People brought up the AFB tabs, V3 has AFB tabs. It seems silly that actually listening to your customers is a remarkable thing for a vendor to do these days, but Virpil does it. So I'm happy I bought in to Virpil.
Well, "Made in Russia/Belarus" also isn't the best advertisement these days I'm having a field day in logistics, when the sanctions were imposed on those 2 concerning Ukraine All of a sudden, there were no more Russian/Belarusian Flight gear manufacturers anywhere, but suddenly a lot of Lithuanian offices opened up
I went with Winwing as unfortunately for Australian customers, Virpil doesn’t make economic sense enough to justify the hundreds of dollars extra customs tariffs for the supposedly better dampner. We’ve heard horror stories of Aussie customers ordering a Virpil product and after thinking they don’t owe a cent more after paying for the product and shipping, being told by Australian Border Force that they now owe a couple of hundred bucks more to release the product to them. The reason: Quite Simple, Virpil is based in Belarus and Belarus are allied with Russia.
most of virpil's production is now in their new EU headquarters. Check their social posts, they show a lot of interesting stuff about their new factory. I made a Virpil order recently including the Ace pedals and it's all made in the EU, no tarrifs.
I haven't tried either of these but I do have the Thrustmaster TPR pedals which are as close to a real life aircraft as you can get. Easy damper mod if you want it. Pricey but worth it.
I've heard many people talk about them and love them. I've never tried them with a damper mod though. Biggest difference is the linear throw. There's no arc which is good.
Too close together I need the Virpils to accommodate the family jewels
@@notarokescientist3003 lol. They are wide
@@notarokescientist3003 Very realistic spacing to a 172. You have to lift them onto your thighs as in real life 🤣 (I used to fly the 152, 172 and 182 as a PPL).
@@ColinDyckes I have 6 hours in 172 35 years ago. Jewel crusher. The Thrustmasters were on my radar until I started measuring. I started with a set of CH products drive/fly pedals which had me singing soprano. Slaw-device and MFD pedals still are interesting.
Great video, I'm kinda in the market for a new high end rudder setup and this was very helpful. 😀
Glad it helped. Any questions let me know.
I love my Virpil Ace interceptors!
How long have you had them?
@@g-locmedia A year and a half now.
I have the Virpil AI model with the damper. They are awesome. The toe brakes are adjustable to be more vertical. Need to use the Virpil configuration software to calibrate them. You will need some metric tools to assemble and adjust them. Worth the $400 cost!
@@cpmarchi just not quite adjustable enough for me as I have them as far as they'll go but they are a superb pedal.
You forgot to add the fact that the Virpil comes with different cams and springs to be installed. Personally I went with Winwing because of availability.
This is a good pick up mate. Thanks for highlighting. How are you enjoying the WINWING?
Like you it’s something about that damper that slightly takes away from the experience. It’s sticks a bit too much making it twitchy. I usually play the Apache in DCS and having smooth inputs for that particular module is an absolute necessity. Something I feel that I have to fight the pedals constantly with, even with finely tuned user curves. I don’t have any other pedals to compare, but your description of the Virpil pedals’ smoothness is awfully tempting, if only they had stock. Are the damper struts the same dimensions between the two? If so have you thought about switching the Virpil onto the Winwing? I’m going to see if I can source some of my own and see if that makes a difference, or maybe use some silicon based grease to see if that makes a difference.
@@Locutus720 And without shock absorber??
@@THESHADOW97139without the damper it’s very loose, we’re talking very very slight movements, but also very precise because you don’t have that stiction that you get with the Winwing damper being on. However then I feel like I’m constantly over correcting. I’ll set the damping force to its minimum setting and report back here on my opinion later
@@Locutus720
I see.... I come from the motorcycle world and this type of shock absorber is present on the fork of certain motorcycles, you should take a look at it
Would love to see a comparison to the MFG Crosswind v3. If you were close enough I would let you have a go at my setup.
That's a video I'd like to make but if my partner sees my carrying in another sheet of rudders I think she'll divorce me lol
@@kriskalisgames I would give him mine too for review/comparison, but I am way too far… And while at it, I have version 2. What is the difference between v2 and v3?
Great review, as always. A while ago you mentioned you would review the MFG Crosswind. Is it still coming?
Soni had them on order a while back with the damper but I ended up cancelling it because the winwing rudders became available. I feel if I buy another set of rudders now my better half might explode.
@@g-locmedia I will write to Milan at MFG and see if he can send a unit for review. Don't have any special connection -- but worth a try.
@@g-locmedia I hear you, brother. 🤣 I would lend you mine, but we live hours of flight away, so unfortunately that won’t work. Pity, because I value your opinion and your excellent content. BTW, who is Soni?
@@michaelkphoto8344 Soni??
@@g-locmedia Look 3 comments up, you wrote “Soni had them on order etc. “ 🤷🏼♂️
I have a lot of Virpil hardware... but rudders I use MFG's with a damper.
Enjoyed the review.
How do you find the MFG's. Was an option I was thinking about a while back. Are the footrests 3D printed?
@@g-locmediaI have the Virpil and the MFG. MFG is worlds better than the Virpil, and even more so with the damper
@@michaelgimbel4418 Worlds better? I upgradded my MFGs to Virpil Ace pedals and the Virpils are way better. The MFGs feel like a toy in a comparison.
I have the virpil with the damper, I have them mounted on my motion rig (DOF p3) without the feet . They are very nice , I have a brunner ffb yoke and joystick base. The only upgrade may be a set of brunner ffb rudder peddles.
The ffb really brings the sims alive.
That's a super nice setup you have there.
In regards to the angle of the toe brakes, I dealt with it for over a year before it clicked to change the curves in game for dcs and it’s been great ever since. Far less travel needed to brake fully.
nice tip
I have both, but got to give the Virpil the better value, and use. Only thing I did is put another spring inside the factory springs to give the pedals more force with the ACE
Also, only Winwing offers a quick release spring wich is ENORMOUS for helicopter pilots. HUGE. The virpils you can remove the spring, but its not nearly as easy or quick.
Winwing also gives no warranty and covers nothing when it brakes 😂
@@SIMRIG412 They do give have a warranty and are willing to replace parts. In addition compared to say, ThrustMaster, who once the warranty expires won't even allow you to BUY parts, Winwing will. How do I know? Because I just went through it with both companies. Perhaps do some research, or maybe ask the company about their policies before posting heh.
@@SIMRIG412 Winwing offers a 1 year warranty, and will sell you parts if you need them after, unlike thrustmster, who will not sell you parts. I know this because I just tried to buy parts from thrustmster, they flat out rejected. Winwing in the other hand is sending me parts as we speak. Perhaps you should do a bit of research before making claims?
I have the VKB pedals, would these be usable with a standard PC Chair?
I have wheel lockers so I can't roll backwards, but the seat can still swivel
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 I reckon you'd need a fixed chair to get the most out of them. Would still work though
Virpil does it for me and in cases where the brake angle isn't steep enough it is simple to install them on a tilted plate.
Have you tried that before? I actually thought about mourning them on small wooden blocks.
@@g-locmedia it is a simple solution getting the angle just right is a challenge but doable. The WWl pedals have a lot going for them but just enough drawbacks to keep me happy with the Virpils. I often wonder about the MFD's in comparision.
i already got the virpils, but damn, i had to click the vid for that thumbnail!!😅😆
Lol. Man it took me ages to come up with that and I wasn't sure it was the right thing to do with the eyes. It's a bit freaky.
How long have you had the Virpils? Any complaints?
@@g-locmedia probably a couple years now, but nah, theyve never let me down, they get hammered with husky fur too haha
@@brandonchappell1535 lol. Do you run the damper too? Both sets are great pedals. It's exciting where flight Sim is going.
@@g-locmedia nah no damper, tbh could use one though, theyre quite springy, that being said dont notice while flying with them... wow, wat a contradictory answer haha forgive me its late
Not sure, but I think you're saying Winwing has a stickiness, in the middle? something like a center detent or something? While Virpil is smooth all the way across the range of movement. Is that accurate?
There's just a very tiny amount amount of stickyness over the middle when changing direction. It's tiny though.
@@g-locmedia I have a cheap set of Logitek pedals and I set up a dead space because I tend to apply pressure when I don't mean to. So, maybe that's not a problem as mentally, it's centering and that's where we want thing.
@@g-locmedia I was also thinking it could just be the individual damper. For instance, on the racing side the Fanatec V3 damper kit is kind of hit or miss. Some say they are perfectly smooth and some have issues with sticking and leaking. Is the stickiness only there when it's maxed out? Does it go away when you turn it down? Do they use the same mounting? Maybe you could swap the dampers and see if it's an issue with the damper itself, or the pedal design. I think I'm going to get the WinWings regardless, but they are on preorder at the moment and I'm a little worried I'll be waiting forever. The site says 8/9 but I've been fooled before.
I got the Winwing because they have stock here in Australia, I heard there’s is a big import tax on Russian items, and your first review really sold them on me.
They arrived yesterday with the new FliteSim CLS-60 FFB yoke which is very cool and we’d all love to see your take on it. On the pedal stickiness, there are two washers either side which should stop any binding (but I didn’t over tighten following your advice from before).
I also didn’t notice the stickiness with the damper especially with the spring off. With the spring on there is a slight free play area where the spring is not in tension, this could be the odd feeling you’re getting - or you could have a faulty damper. Maybe ask for a replacement.
I contacted flitesim.com but they never got back to me. Some companies don't like to work with me because I point out the the good and bad points. With the stickiness on the winning, it's really miniscule. Both rudders are superb.
@@g-locmediayour reviews are superb. Fabian has been told personally on his discord to get you a unit, it’s a bit cheeky that he didn’t send one because most of their sales would be due to your FFB yoke reviews. If you’re in Sydney you can borrow mine, but sounds like you’re in the GC.
Hey, I've had three Virpil imports. As long as the cost is not over one thousand dollars there's no extra fees, although the last one came very close with minus 10%. Also lucky that time with free shipping which made the deal.
@@hamishthecat4370 yea if you can get free shipping on those I'd snap them up.
Most of Virpils products are manufacturered in their new factory in lithuania. My Ace pedals were made in the EU, no import tax.
Do you rate the Thrustmaster TPR pendular rudders? I'm currently on the TM entry level rudders and they're not very smooth to say the least!
They are a great set of rudders but you do have to pay a fair amount for them.
@@g-locmedia I keep checking eBay, hoping to snag a deal! I love the fact that all the guts are covered unlike the Winwing and Virpil rigs. Proper dust traps! Probably end up getting the Winwing though.
Being in Australia, I'm looking at purchasing the Wingwing and fitting a FFB servo/controller, which I already have. Good quality for the price, not worth DIYing my own.
@@seattime4075 I'd love to see this in action. Would be super cool
I think I will cancel my WinWing PreOrder and wait for FFB Rudder. There's a lot more to come this year!
There are a lot of things coming this year and next. We're going to be spoiled as flight simmers. The niche is growing and the big players are starting to wake up
Winwing 345 (shipping included in the US) Virpil Ace Interceptors $425 shipped to the US. Its a pretty significant difference.
Things may have changed a little since this review. I know that WINWING now have a US warehous
@@g-locmedia they had a us warehouse before the skywalkers came out. I know because I ordered them right after they came out, and the US store had been open for a while yet.
just from general vibe around the community, Virpil sounds like the best, followed by perhaps crosswinds then winwing, but for living in Canada, winwing is gaining interest for me due to the prices & included shipping & tax & duty. I would like to try them all out somehow.
You really can't go wrong with either of these
did you end up buying any?
@@g-locmedia nothing yet!
What do you think about the turtlebeach yoke and pedals?
@@nelsonquintero4625 check out my other videos. I have full reviews on both
Swap the dampers and see if the problem still occurs 🤔
That's a nice idea
Virpil now ships NAmerica orders from their Florida warehouse.
Thats awesome. Thanks for sharing
Get TM TPRs, much better than my old buddy the Crosswinds. Nice calibration software too.
Do you not rate the crosswinds much?
The only issue that I have with my Virpils is that the USB connection sometimes malfunctions pushing my rudder all the way in one direction which can be seriously annoying on take off (resulting in a crash). I also had to remove a cover after a while since with the cover on one of my toe breaks gets stuck (at least the signal send out).
Did you try updating firmware? That's a really odd issue. Did Virpil make any comments on it?
@@g-locmedia never reported it. Would take me ages if I had to send it back and the work around works fine. Once in a month the breaks or rudder still gets hung. Wiggling the connection makes everything fine again.
@@johanverhoeven3661 virpil can send you repalcement parts, just ask them
Not saying that’s going to be the case with everyone, but I had four dampers with varying degrees of stiction making them all useless. You wouldn’t expect all four to be that bad but that was my experience, so I’m going a different route.
I just found a guide to add FFB to the Virpil pedals, that’s what I’ll be going with as I’m done with the dampers as the quality control on them is awful. Maybe a more expensive steering damper would be less likely to have stiction but I don’t know.
Aftermarket Dampers or whatever they (Virpil) sourced? I was going to see what some on Amazon would feel like.
@@Locutus720 Of the four I tried, two were from Amazon, one was from the MFG Crosswind kit, and then when Virpil came out with their kit I tried that. They are all the same or basically the same when it comes to these cheap dampers.
I've heard of people using motorcycle steering dampers which is quite interesting. FFB on the virpil pedals sounds insane. I'd be keen to see that work when your done.
@@WhiteHawk77 Ah cheers mate! It's what I thought. It really is the luck of the draw when it comes to these then.
@@g-locmedia the dampers are precisely that, motorcycle steering ones (well, more or less). I'm going to see if I can order easily user serviced ones to see if playing with different types of damping oils make a difference and even if that's a thing. Also th-cam.com/video/AWd7LjSCXhk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Number481 the virpil mod in action
Great vid and excellent advice. Would you on a pair of shoes next time.
I like to fly free footed
Thanks for this video! Here's a question.. Are the dampers cross-compatible? Can I mount VPC damper kit on WW?
@@gaurlglmistrz that's something someone else pointed out and I'm going to try it.
The damper is just one typically used on motorcycle handlebars, which you can get for £30-£40. It’s the bracket you need to connect at each end that will depend on the pedals. These are typically 3d printed to fit a certain part of the pedals, but a more generic clip might be cross compatible. I’m currently investigating the options for my TPRs.
That’s interesting! Please, keep us posted
@@doifeelluckyI installed a damper on my TPR’s and removed the springs, very nice for flying helicopters
@@tomas5577 Did you buy a kit or make it yourself?
Well, which of these two companies have been caught stealing others designs? I think that's probably the deciding factor for me
I would go for the winwing!
If you are ok to wait for 2 months after order to have you gear shipped, you might consider Virpil.
Yes they do take a bit of time. 6-8 weeks in my experience.
Virpil takes 3 weeks at most. I’ve never waited any longer than that.
@@RW-zn8vy I waited 8 weeks for the control panel 2 but that was about 2 years ago.
@@g-locmedia was it during or after Covid? Because they had issues back then but I also got a throttle and it came in three weeks. But usually unless they aren’t getting certain parts in, peoples stuff usually corks within 1-3 weeks.
@@RW-zn8vy this was after COVID.
you should have tried Turtle Beach Rudders
@@markdittell did a review on these just the other week there. Check it out.
Эти педали обои хороши!Настало время когда есть выбор и можно выбрать на свой вкус!
Yea both sets are great. Superb value!
I did Virpil, looking back I'm glad; "made in China" is not a label I want on my high end sim gear.
I reckon the "Staright Outta China" flight sim products are getting much better. With companies like MOZA joining the ranks it going to be an interesting few years.
@@g-locmedia I saw that premature review drop of the force feedback stick. (Moza still has reviews embargoed).
That looks interesting. A high end force feedback stick that isn't "a guy will build you one for $850". I understand that will make a big difference in my helo and warbird flight, especially baby Huey.
The other thing that got me really liking Virpil was their responsiveness to the people who buy their gear. V1 of Virpil's HOTAS didn't have a Slew stick on the throttle. People brought it to them, v2 of Virpil's throttle has a slew. People brought up the AFB tabs, V3 has AFB tabs.
It seems silly that actually listening to your customers is a remarkable thing for a vendor to do these days, but Virpil does it. So I'm happy I bought in to Virpil.
@@fubarace1027 I'll need to have a look for that moza review. Thanks for letting me know.
@@g-locmedia th-cam.com/video/SsZKy_dkMl4/w-d-xo.html
Well, "Made in Russia/Belarus" also isn't the best advertisement these days
I'm having a field day in logistics, when the sanctions were imposed on those 2 concerning Ukraine
All of a sudden, there were no more Russian/Belarusian Flight gear manufacturers anywhere, but suddenly a lot of Lithuanian offices opened up
I went with Winwing as unfortunately for Australian customers, Virpil doesn’t make economic sense enough to justify the hundreds of dollars extra customs tariffs for the supposedly better dampner. We’ve heard horror stories of Aussie customers ordering a Virpil product and after thinking they don’t owe a cent more after paying for the product and shipping, being told by Australian Border Force that they now owe a couple of hundred bucks more to release the product to them. The reason: Quite Simple, Virpil is based in Belarus and Belarus are allied with Russia.
most of virpil's production is now in their new EU headquarters. Check their social posts, they show a lot of interesting stuff about their new factory. I made a Virpil order recently including the Ace pedals and it's all made in the EU, no tarrifs.
Virgil QC is crap. I dumped my Virpils.
What virpil gear did you have?
TPR
Virpil is a Russian company, so not part of the European Union.
They have stock in the EU
Yes you are right although the company is from Belarus, they have a base in Latvia.
Not Russian but Belarusian but they operate out of Lithuania
they are situated in Lithuania
Sorry all , got mixed up Lithuania. 👍😂
Virpil!!!..ship your backorders!!!
I'm pretty sure their stuff I'd made to order so can sometimes take 6-8 weeks. That's just my experience anyway.
@@g-locmediait’s not made to order, they get a shipment in and fulfill orders with the inventory they have. Anymore that’s sold will be back ordered.
Hey man, you didn't mention anything about the sensors, otherwise good comparison.
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