I’ve been receiving this same comment for over a year so let me clarify. I am aware that Bolli cheats on Nivenor with Haelga. My reasoning for killing Nivenor is because she uses up all of Bolli’s money for jewelry instead of allowing it to go to charity. If Nivenor dies then there is some more hope for the poor and downtrodden of Riften. The cheating was never meant to be the reason for why you should kill her.
@@reguluscummins878 he says 'she probably slipped something in my drink' what’s he doing in her brothel in the first place? I’m not saying he’s at fault but it is pretty weird that he was there in the first place
@@rrostovaaIt does double as a hotel to be fair, and with how flashy she is with her dibellan worship, I wouldn't be surprised if she resorted to.... darker means.
@@thenateshow4371and even if she did slip something in his drink, why would he keep the mark of Dibella? He even acts innocent when you ask to have it. I don’t think he was drugged by Haelga, I thunk he just realized Nivenor sucks and Harlga is easier
1: Nazeem (It's pretty much tradition at this point.) 2: Taron Dreth 3: That random old orc that is looking for a good death. (Who says the NPC has to be a terrible person?)
Well, Nazeem is just a snobbish jerk and show off. If I play a good character, murdering him is kind of out of character. I wish there was an option to beat him up(not just as a part of companion side quest) or humiliate him in some other way so he changes his behavior though. If i play morally grey or evil character though, he does not survive too long. xD
@@dauritas1460 there need to be more options to beat people up. Playing as a Dunmer atm, I have to calm myself so often so I don't burn down whole Windhelm for their racism.
@@THEpsycho404 there’s a “challenge to duel” mod. Upon defeat , the opponent typically doesn’t die . They fight fist on fist if your hands are empty or with weapons if yours are drawn
I just got to Rorikstead on a new character and a dragon appeared. While fighting it in the town it picked someone up with its mouth and flung him, so after killing it I investigated who died. "It was probably just one of the guards," I thought, well imagine my surprise when it was conveniently Lemkil. I didn't even talk to him before I got there.
I would probably understood the joke but after 280h I still didn't visit Rorikstead 💀 But once I got into Orc's village (this one close to Markhart) cause I wanted to learn one handed weapon on max level and then dragon appeared and killed like 90% of village including their leader. I WAS WAITING FUCKING WEEKS FOR HIM, but he never appeared on his throne next to his second wife and then I searched and found his body... Under the great three. He died as warrior.
Bolli cheated on her! Her buying things in that town helps the local economy so those merchants can afford their rent. As the richest guy in town it’s his moral obligation to spend consistently back into the hood so that the hood can support him.
Lemkil is not that bad. No indication that he’s an abusive father or person. He’s bitter that his wife died giving birth to twins, an improbable and tragic scenario that he’s probably upset with.
@@Tonithemeloni04 that’s not unique to to his character that’s something that all characters with NPC relationships will do. If you interpret that literally than yes, it makes him a bad father. But there’s no reason to because it’s more of a game mechanic than a character description.
@@0IIIIII IDK About that my guy, I talked to one of the twins Sissel who said "Most days, I do all I can to stay away from my sister and my father. The beating's the same from either one.", And then the twin sister is a brat "If you beat up my sister Sissel, I won't tell." "I'm the older sister, by nearly five minutes. Sissel's barely worthy to walk in my shadow." Then the dad is just straight up an ass about them: "Do yourself a favor and don't have children. They're good for nothing at all." "Curse my good-for-nothing daughters! My wife was twice the woman they'll ever grow to be. She gave her life birthing them. What a waste." And his conversations with Rorik, Mralki and Erik which are just cold. Sissel is the only nice one of the family tbh
@@ryndereus4778 your critical thinking skills and reading comprehension are poor. Taking a child’s statements about their family literally without any corroboration is silly. Lemkil is also bitter that his wife died in childbirth, he probably was looking forward to having kids and being a father. Her death, perhaps due to the rare and taxing chance of having twins, likely made Lemkil resentful. Understandable, if your love died suddenly you’d be upset too.
Although you can't kill him without completing his quest (unfortunately) another one would be Jaree-Ra, stinking lizard wants you to make a ship crash so you can loot it, nevermind the fact you're putting the lives of everyone onboard including the innocent sailors in danger of dying; and if you do it (which I didn't) he reveals himself to be a backstabbing traitor and leader of a band of murdering bandits who kill everyone onboard anyways. His plan to put innocent people's lives in danger for profit is despicable enough for him to die, let alone everything else; too bad the game doesn't let you do it.
Well its just an imperial ship and imperials on the ship, probably bringing in supplies for the dominion forces that occupy west skyrim. Killing them and stealing there property is good and you can cleanse a bandit camp after this.
Oh I did his question (I'm chaotic neutral in these games) but I went and killed EVERYBODY outside of the ship, went inside and killed everyone and was lucky enough to chop Jaree-Raes sisters head off, though I'ma sneak character and when I killed a few of his crewmates and I heard him saying: *YOU KILLED MY CREW AND SISTER HISSSSS!!!*
Sybille says something after you kill the vampires like them being nasty creatures and how she prefers finer things. She’s basically coming out and telling you she’s a vampire. I’ve always assumed that she uses the prisoners to feed on so she lives a much more comfortable existence than most vampires
@@allhandsondik7803 Yea she basically uses them the same way the Castle Volkihar vampires do the people they capture but everyone is either ignorant or just ok with it. My guess is that most don’t actually know she’s a vampire even though it’s quite obvious. Not to mention her eyes but the fact she doesn’t age.
I created my own post Skyrim fan fiction where Volkihar succeeded in his tyranny plan and Sybille becomes the Jarl of Solitude. They are ultimately stopped by a now grown up Aventus Arentino and the Honorhall orphans who become the new Dark Brotherhood. Aventus is the main character in my story
I genuinely believe Lemkil is like the tutorial for the ability to adopt children YOU orphan in Skyrim. His name is literally an anagram of 'Kill me', he is cartoonishly bad and his children would be completely better off with him dead. I genuinely believe he only exists to bait players into killing him and then discovering they can adopt his kids.
Did you know there is a radiant quest where Lemkil pays you to beat up his kids. Not Joking. Wonder if he was meant to be the Dark Brotherhood introduction hit before they created Grelod
@@ryanhau1073 that's a product of the game's relationship system. I believe it comes from when you attack someone who a character has a low relationship with, there's a very slim chance that character can send you a letter and ask you to attack someone else they have a low relationship with. Lemkil and his daughters are designated as having a low relationship. I don't know how much of that is intentional.
@@ApollyonZKX If you join the legion, and you fight some Thalmor agents around a bunch of legionnaires, they will *help* you kill the Thalmor agents, or so I’ve heard. Apparently the Imperial Legion is getting ready for Thalmor blood to be shed, lol.
Sibbi is essential until you do two quests tied to him. One of them is to broker a deal he made with someone to sell off his mother's prized horse, which is just nice way to get at Maven despite her being essential and ensures that Maven never finds out who took the horse too, and the other is to track down the guy's ex-girlfriend, who you can lie about where she is.
One of my favorite things to do in Skyrim is to trap the souls of all the assholes and creeps I encounter in the game then either display it or enchant a weapon with it, give it a unique name and showcase it in my personally gallery called the Gallery of Insufferables. My favorite so far is the Orcish axe I crafted and enchanted with Mogrul's soul called the Bastard's Axe which I can dual wield with his other axe. It's displayed right next to his clothes and then I plan on putting Grelod's soul next to a child's doll in the gallery.
I soul trapped ulfric and enchanted alduins bones with him. Not necessarily relevant, but it was a cool weapon. 2 handed axe with paralyze and absorb stamina.
Used to do that in Oblivion, when you could be more free with the enchantments. Usually trapped the really really evil peoples soul in an item with a fire enchantment and named the item after them. Was kind of disappointed when Skyrim introduced the Soul Cairn, as my head canon always was that their souls were bound to the item and the sort of enchantment it carried 😂 as I got older, it also made me realize that no one should have the ability to play God in real life, as my teenage young mind was too occupied with dealing out death and destruction in the game. The thought of it kind of makes me uncomfortable now.
Sybille Stentor also has ties with the vampire leader in Red water Den in riften. She's the one who helped him progress farther to getting his red water going.
I always believed that Sybille Stentor aided the vampire leader because they were political enemies of Harkon and she knew of Harkon's power and maybe even his plan to stop the sun
Well, "helped him progress" is a bit much. They met in Solitude, she told him that he'd better behave himself there, that he is probably chasing a dumb idea, but if it exists it would probably be in the Rift somewhere. That's it. They probably talked just that one time. Sybill is definetly pushing her own agenda and such, but beside her not being able to sense Pothemas summoning (which might as well could have had protective spells put in place, considering their goal) I never felt her to be evil or harmfull. Yes, she drains prisoners of their blood, but she does need that to live and she isn't hunting citizens or something, just convicted criminals. Reality is rarely Black and White, so why should fiction be? Another "Yeah she is a Vampire so she is automatically Evil" is just far more boring than the alternative
@@georgemurdock7670 She clearly thought him no threat, why would she just *attack* him? She's not some holy Paladin or something. If there is a Vampire causing problems she won't hesitate to have them ended (she does send the Dragonborn to kill one after all) but that guy was neither dangerous nor his research interesting enough to get her hands on. She thought it was a fools errand
I'd also add that honor blood bloke in windhelm, the beggar. It's implied him and stone fist (not galmar, the other one, forgot his name) are going to do bad things to Sulvis come midnight. Plus if stone fist is true to his word and plans on gathering men to beat up dark elves, one less man for him to recruit isn't it?
It has always annoyed the Oblivion out of me that Stonefist is flagged essential...I want that racist turd dead! Him finding his buddy's corpse is the only joy I get in Windhelm....
Yeah.. .how many played Skyrim the first time thinking the Rebel/Empire dynamic was just like Star Wars. . .only to find out that joining these rebels was tantamount to joining the KKK . . .which was made worse if it's a non-human character being played.
I'm not sure sybille should be on the list. It seems she does try her best to live a normal good life. If i recall she had a hand in raising the high king who was well liked, and as for the prisoner volunteers I assume this is her way of feeding, perhaps she picks the worst ones for feeding and does this to avoid preying on the innocents. All just speculation but I feel she behaves as good as a vampire can be.
She could try to find a cure for her illness, and the high king was a lying and honorless asshole who agreed to a religious cleansing against his people and just surrendered his country while winning the war cuz some dude in a fancy dress told him too.
She raises a serious question. Is she actually evil and torturous or is she really just feeding and the rumours are exaggerations because she's a court wizard visiting a prison which is scary? If you kill her you may have killed an innocent woman who suppresses her vampiric nature, a terrible and unjust murder by someone who is supposed to be a hero, on the other hand though, if you don't you might be leaving the future High Queen of Skyrim under the potential influences of a vampire who means to do Skyrim harm. I wish they developed her more and allowed there to be a bunch of quests relating to her so we could learn the truth. Edit: During the Tyranny of the Sun she will say "Skyrim is ours!" as her reaction to the sun being gone, which is very evil. However I do not know if that's just an oversight. Edit 2: Upon further investigation that line is generic, it's likely just because she's of the vampire race and has the voice type that supports that line.
@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I wish they expanded on the Wolf Queen rather than pull Harkon out of their butts, he could have been a loyal Jarl to her. Rather than a mysterious castle it would be Potema's old hold, and whatnot. Also as a Septim she was Dragonborn wich would have conected her to the MC.
While all Thalmor deserve death, if you do his quest, Ondolamar becomes a really good friend to you no matter your race, at Ellynwyns party for the main quest he can be used to cause a distraction, actively putting his career and possibly life on the line to help a friend out. If he wasn't a Thalmor, he'd probably make for a great guy.
I'd argue that there is two factions in the Thalmor, those who are hardliners "mer are superior, all must bow to us" and then those who just want to make sure the peace lasts simply due to how devastating the war was. Ondolamar seems to be the latter, his boss seems to be in between, and the ones we happily murder hobo in the streets are the former. Also helps my characters conscious even as she melts down their weapons to make her house.
He isn't a bad guy, he's just with the wrong people. For Ondolemar a lot seems to be a matter of faith... He hunts down Talos worshippers, because to him, they're heretics and attacking his faith. He also thinks the Empire is already crumbling, and calls it rotten, showing that he might think that corruption is rampant among the most influential people. To me, it really seems like the Thalmor just spun a narrative to take advantage of religious Altmer, that question the Empire's structure, and he just got roped into it like that. I mean... you can walk up to him, the guy who's pretty much in charge of the Thalmor in Skyrim, and just ask him who he is and what he does and he'll explain it to you, without talking down to you, no matter what race you are. It's not that he hates all nords, or all races of man, he just genuinely thinks Talos worship is bad, and there should be a change or rulership. If you're nice to him, and show you respect his faith, he literally has no reason to dislike you, it seems.
The sad thing is that he loses all like for you if you do ask him for a distraction, so it's not advisable to use him that way. Although if you do befriend him he may turn up at your wedding.
True Bolli did cheat on her, but she has also most likely cheated on him. And while I have a dislike for cheaters. Other then cheating on Nivenor Bolli is generally a rather good guy, constantly helping the poor and such. And its not unheard of for someone to be trapped in a loveless marriage in the time Skyrim would take place (Keep in mind, the only way to Divorce your wife in Skyrim is for them to die). So, Chances are Bolli initially actually genuinely loved Nivenor, and was faithful for a long time, but Nivenor never showed him affection (Or Limit affection, because she seems like a right bitch). So honestly, the fact that Bolli went for Haelga when he is most likely trapped in a loveless marriage doesn't detract from the general good he does around riften.
@@HallowedKeeper_ “most likely cheated” isn’t a really solid reason Just out of fairness, since there isn’t any evidence of that. I don’t think either are necessary bad. Nivenor is more selfish and definitely wants an easy life, but I don’t think that’s evil lol
Fun fact about Lemkil. So you know how sometimes, if you do some killing in an area, someone will send you a letter asking you to teach someone they dislike a lesson by hitting them a few times or maybe killing them? Well, that someone is randomly decided based on the NPC's disposition towards that other randomly chosen NPC. Because of this, all quest-related dialogue is vague, never naming anyone or revealing details about the target. Lemkil's disposition towards his daughters is bad enough where it's possible for him to hire you to attack his daughters, so you can actually attack a child that way. Fuck Lemkil
There should be a quest where you go around wearing Daedric Armor(borrowed or your own set), pay a visit to the various children who are spoiled brats and scare them to the point of them stop being like that.
@@timcassaday3045 Is she the one that bullies that Battle Born boy for money? There are times I wish there was an option to join Alduin. . .cause yeah. . .not just the brats but a lot of adults.
I always massacre the traitorous jarls after the civil war. After balgruuf is history you can adopt that one asshole daughter of him and put her in undecorated breeze home, should humble her down.
one time I capped Mogrul & sheathed my weapon right after with his bodyguard being the only witness, & his bodyguard put his weapon away too & went back to his normal routine lmao
@@dgyoshi0659 I like to imagine his face as I keep giving his thugs' gear to Mallory to resell and recycle, and I steal the guards' armor, enchant it with the thugs' souls, and then give it back by dropping the armor near them until they ask if they can have it.
Aerin (Riften) is at the top of my list. In my first play through, so many moons ago, I married Mjoll the Lioness, only to discover this creep wanted more than friendship from my wife and wasn’t about to let our marriage get in his way. Every night she went to sleep and he would creep in and stare at her while she was sleeping. If you attack him, Mjoll will rush to his defense. If you kill him, she will try to kill you. It was a challenge, finding a work around that. Laying simple traps and hiding wasn’t sufficient…. If you haven’t worked a way out to kill him without estranging yourself from Mjoll, I suggest giving it a try. That pervert deserves to die.
My method for killing Aerin is by sneaking into his house, while he and Mjoll are both asleep, and simply assassinate him with a single, quick, silent strike. After killing him and stealing all of his goods, I then yeet myself out of the house as quick as I can before anyone can notice me and come after me for my crimes.
Just DL Amorous Adventures and you get to kill him in a surprisingly well made quest. That mod (without animated sex) is a staple of my load order due to it's many humorous quests.
I'm about sure that they just abandined Mjoll and Aerin altogether. My suspicion was that she was to start a counter-faction against the thieves gould and you would have had the ability to choose between them. But they cut it and then didn't bother checking the AI.
What's funny is if you kill Ondolemar in front of everyone you don't even get a murder bounty, just assault. I guess everyone in Markarth hates his ass too XD
Whenever I do the Forsworn Conspiracy, I smuggle in my gear with the dremora butler from one of the black books and use it to slaughter the Forsworn in prison. When I get out, Thonar thanks me and gives me his ring...shortly thereafter, he is mysteriously and tragically catapulted across Markarth and dies from fall damage.
In my case, a day or two after all the Forsworn died in prison, Thonar mysteriously turned up dead on his own doorstep. Cause of death appeared to be the Forsworn arrow in his back, which had presumably (judging by the angle and timing, seeing as though there were no known witnesses) been fired from the rooftop of the Temple of Dibella in the late evening as he was returning home from the Silver-Blood Inn. Curious, that.
Thanks to power of mods i have a "non-hostile" highly pressurised stream of water that sends people flying and stunlocks anything that can't be ragdolled. Perfect to deal with annoying npc's who happen to be near a cliff,ledge or a long staircase.
mogrul: lookes like YOU now owe me 1000 septims, i will send a debt collector every 3 days Dragonborn: so, let me get this straight, either i loose a measly 1000 septims, or you pay people to fill by black soul gems... lol, good luck bud. i hope your pockets are deep.
black soul gems arent hard to fill, just go to a bandit camp the thing is paying him 1000 septimes or to the guards for murdering him ( not really a hard choice and if you play always stealth like me the kill is free xD )
@@Zerberos22 yeah but all i have to do is walk three feet out of town and i got 3 bounty free souls waiting on me. it's more of a convenience really, i like to saunter past him selling the thugs goods in front of his face. knowing it's going to cost a fortune to kill me.
My favorite response in the game is actually for Thonar, some Forsworn agents break their cover to murder his family in their house and you can just respond "You deserved this"
the one person i killed without realizing they were tied to a quest and such was grelod the kind and that was way back when skyrim first came out my kill list has the normal people in whiterun and riverwood but ive also put the two owners of halfmoon mill theyre a vampire couple who literally have bloody human skeletons in their shed
i also forgot the drunk guy in winterhold who does nothing but drink and berates his wife theres also the female argonian who gives you the lexicron in riften in my eyes she is or was a bandit theres also the young lady inside the old fort filled with hags and hagravens who asks the mc to help her kill her mother because shes tired of doing bad but again shes tied to a quest as well as the argonian woman at the riften fisheries we cant forget about the owner of quicksilver mines in dawnstar i mean its like 99% possibility that he hired the dark brotherhood to kill his wife the owner of the iron mines but theres like 20 people i kill just because i deem them to be heartless individuals or straight up waste of space in skyrim if it werent for the fact that some of the npcs are essential there would be more i mean the 2 guys who you first meet in windhelm harrassing a dunmer woman cant kill them because they are essential idk why but they are
@@TheSmartNacho Illia is actually a pretty decent follower once you get her some good gear. After the quest you can get her to come with you and I put her in a glass set of armor since she wants to atone for her sins, the OG Snow elf Armor I keep for my paladin build when I'm playing that but I'll give it to her if not. But since she's willing to atone I let her live and she makes it so I don't have to worry about wasting points in frost magic since most things are immune to frost. Just back her up with a summon or 2 and then sit back and she can handle most things herself.
@@masterneloth that couple is a dark brotherhood quest though, most dark brotherhood targets are low hanging fruit. And yes, most brotherhood targets are dispicable beings.
I think the aunt/uncle who abandoned Lucia in Whiterun are the farm couple that you meet during the roadside Cicero quest. Wait till after the quest of course.
Sybille is actually a good vampire, well as good as they can get, but she keeps her feedings to people who are going to get executed anyway, also that forever sleep deal is a bug, she has no connection to Potema
As big a self-righteous prick as Ondolemar is, he is the only Thalmor you can actually befriend. He will actually attend Elenwen's party at the Thalmor Embassy during the main quest and should you have helped expose the Talos worship he will in turn agree to cause a diversion to help you to slip into the backrooms. That makes my impression of him neutral and I won't kill him even if he is extremely full of himself.
I don’t think Sybille’s that bad. She advises Elisif since she sucks at ruling, and also kinda raised Torygg. Harming prisoners (if it’s true) is nothing new in Skyrim, especially for a vamp, since they need blood and whatnot. I don’t think she’s evil just because of that and some unimportant things like going to sleep, which is probably due to a bug, and being overly skeptical of the cave rumors.
I can't kill Sybille Stentor, I don't know why but I like her. I think she is a bit like Janus Hassildor in Oblivion when he asked the champion of kvatch to kill a group of vampires because he didn't want to risk them revealing that he was one of them. It's probably the same with Sybille when she wants us to slay the vampires. However Janus was a nice guy, he even helped the mage guild to fight against Mannimarco.
Yup, but Nivenor’s death might make Bolli donate more to charity instead of wasting it on jewelry. And Nivenor hates the poor in the most comedic way too
I think Bolli began sleeping with Haelga after he found out that his wife is cheating on him. Perhaps he is doing it as revenge, IDK but it's a cool thought.
honestly, thank you for not mentioning Heimsker or Nazeem. like i get it, theyre wicked fucking annoying, but the hate the hate they get is also wicked annoying.
Let's not forget the side mission to obtain a mark of Dibella from Boli given to him by Healga whom of which he was going behind his wife's back to meet
My nr1 choice is always Haelga in Riften. She forces her niece to essentially be the slave who's always surrounded by her "customers". Talking with her niece you can uncover that they not only harass her but she "works" there without sleep or rest. I always finnish that quest and either marry Svanna or just kill Healga.
Honestly… Haelga’s a freak in the bed. Basically a unicorn in Skyrim. Her niece can always go somewhere else , but she’d rather stay, complain, and wait for someone to expose her aunt. Also, Svanna thanks you once and then is disgusted by your presence every time you come back. And the armor she gives is pretty low tier.
@@motodog242 It was jut my opinion anyway. Between choosing of ruining wh*res day to cheer Svannas day and keeping it as it is - my choise is obvious. Besides never in my life I heard Svanna disgusted by my presence unless I killed Haelga.
Ironically ondelomar is actually a decent person if you do his quest. He's actually one of the few thalmour who isn't an absolute asshole. He's really just doing his job.
How about the entire Markarth city guard? I mean Thonar Silver-Blood and the Ebony Blade is still the best ship in the game, but the guards are his puppets, killed my pal for life Eltrys, presumably were in charge of executing Braig's three-year-old daughter, framed ME, and are extremely racist to the Reachmen, Forsworn or not. In their own words, they kill any native in the town that tries to make a difference! As soon as I got out of Cidhna Mine, you can bet that the first thing I did after putting Thonar in a gem was single-handedly destroy the entire guard in front of everyone in town, going out of my way to find every last one of them in every building they were in and kill Ondolemar in the process just because he was in my way. The Jarl himself was chasing after me and a courier interrupted the fight to give me a letter of inheritance from Thonar at some point. Most fun I ever had in the game.
Dragonborn: Jarl Elisif, a vampire has infiltrated your court. Here I have proof. **Shows proof.** Sabile: 😰😰😰 Elisif: Very well. I will allow you to carry out your work without the guards interfering. Dragonborn: Cool thanks. **Whips our Dawnbreaker and slaughters the visiting advisor in the middle of the Blue Palace.** Dawmbreaker: **Explodes and disintegrates the visiting advisor.** Sabile: Why am I burning?
Thalmor all deserve to face the wall, but I do like how Ondolemar genuinely sees you as a friend if you help him and he'll help you when you go to the Thalmor embassy. Pretty based if you ask me.
Despite some good reasons, I would argue that killing Sybille is the worst thing you could do. As pointed out by another TH-camr, Jarl Elisif is an idiot. Even though it turns out to be a major threat, she wants to send an entire detachment of imperial soldiers to investigate the cave based solely on farmers hearing strange noises! Sybille sensibly talks Elisif out of it because that would be foolish & stupid as it would leave Solitude less defended which the Stormcloaks could’ve taken advantage of.
Thonar Silverblood was also having an affair with the shop owner next door. That shop owner's husband was mysteriously murdered by the same Forsworn that Thonar was manipulating by virtue of having their king in rags. Ironically, that same _sweet_ shop owner is a cannibal and worshiper of the daedra of decay. Those two are dead in my current play through and in the long run, Thonar's wife is better off. Killing Thonar will stop his shop keeper lover next door from buying and/or selling to you but if she's dead already (results from a quest when I refused to kill a priest), you might as well take out Thonar. A local fence will buy your loot if you do a thieves guild quest to expand their influence into Markoth.
I munch on a priest just to become "friendly" with cannibals I kill that store merchant,the meat merchant and dog trainer with Ebony Blade three times over becaude Ritual Stone goes brrrr then i take Eola to Boethia. I bet being used for daedra worship isn't fun as it was worshiping daedra. +fully charged Ebony Blade +Ebony Mail without sacrificing a follower i actually like +screwing over Namira because i do not tolerate this daedra
in the Anniversary edition in the Grey Fox quest you find confirmation that Nivenor is cheating on Bolli (and that he knows about it) as well as learning that when an orphan child Bolli took in went missing she basically didn't bother looking. She def belongs on this list
I HAVE killed Elenwen. Not sure what you have to do first to make her no longer essential. It was late in the game and I used the horse jump trick to get into the yard behind the embassy which gives access to the embassy and solar.
You can kill the Torturer at the beginning even if you go with Hadvor. Just have to be quick about it and do it during the battle. Just rush in and kill him before the Stormcloaks go down. 1) He totally deserves it. His words and attitude makes him sound like he's related to Mavin. 2) You won't have to listen to the back and forth between him and Hadvar for the 1000th time.
You, casually killing each NPC in plain sight: Me, wanting to kill them but are willing to follow them to their homes, pick open their doors, and kill them in their sleep
Mogul was the reason I took the poisoning skill under pickpocketing. Made a DoT poison that did some insane damage in a few seconds, honestly I WAS planning to sell it for cash when I ran into this pile of walking garbage and remember I had unspent skills. One invis spell out of site while he was drinking and I made it look like he had a massive heart attack, no bounty and no one ever tried to send anyone after me. Later had to try it on a certain orphanage owner.
The ideal ways to kill Grelod are to do an unarmed sneak attack, or hit her with a Fear spell so she flees the Orphanage and gets ganked by one of the beggars.
I did kill Lemkill in my Switch copy of Skyrim. I don't mind him being my only murder. Now if I can also kill Rolf Stone-Fist... Shame he's essential in vanilla. He can be rendered mortal with mods.
Please absolutely make a part 2! With the (good) suggestions here, others you think deserve death And maybe with instructions for the few that are essential until a certain point? Ps. I vote for that once-honored to be on the list.
@@masterneloth I wish that killing Rolff Stone-Fist was an option. As it is, I listen to him and Once-Honored abusing a dark elf in the intro to Windhelm, beat Stone-Fist up once, and then right click on him and disable the character. No one even notices he's gone.
I feel like Sybille is a lot less malevolent than you make her out to be. There are a lot of things she could have done much worse things with. Other comments explain it better, but she seems like she is a lot more well-meaning than your other vampires.
So my Dragonborn always adopts Sofie and rescues Meeko. Then she heads to Rorikstead and kills Lemkil to make his children orphans and then only adopts Sissel and leaves the twin sister Britte to live in the orphanage. To be fair though the cranky old hag running the orphanage originally is also killed so it’s kind of a nicer place…? I’m not entirely sure where my character fits in the scale of good and evil lol
Someone that I didn’t want to kill but did was Valdimar the awesome Nord housecarl. I rolepay as an Argonian who is the first Sith (that explains a lot I guess lol). After obtaining Valdimar we went on many adventures but one day he shocked me by asking “what do you want lizard” I was like wait what? I took several tries to get him to say it again…suffice to say Darth Tyranok offered him for the Ebony Blade😭… thus continuing his path as the first Sith Lord…
Ondolamar doesnt even need to be killed directly. All you need to do is not join the imperials right away if that was your plan. Do the main quest first and hand the city to the stormcloaks. His coffin will later be found in the hall of the dead.
I killed three NPC : Nazeem: he was annoying and he bullied merchants Astrid: I just hate her and her assassin's factions and I didn't want to join their shit or kill those three captives Degaine : that markarth beggar was so rude. I gave him gold then he told me " next time bring more gold now get away" like wtf he was so ungrateful
People I always kill because I hate them (includes 2 obvious Whiterun characters): - Nazeem (Wind District) (Killing him angers his wife Ahlam for some reason, and she has to die too :( ) - Heimskr (Shut up already) - Everybody that turns aggressive, like the lady in the wooden shack near Riverwood (the sister of the Hagraven) - I agree on Mogrul although I never tried killing him - Lemkil - Everybody that discriminates anything but Nords (looking at the Windhelm dudes) - I know quest characters are excluded, but I can't wait to slice into Mercer Frey during the Thieves Guild quest. After that, I keep both Eyes of the Falmer, I give one to Delvin and get it back later xD Would love a "Good NPCs to marry" video.
Was wondering why nazeem wasn't on the list or this video Most hated character in all of Skyrim And thanks to mods One person I like marrying was either muiri in markarth or even illia from dark light tower Illia and muiri both lost people and left with nothing in their wake That's why I had the sympathy to set things right for either of them by marrying them and start a family where loss will never be a thing Illia seemed more better for me I mean who wouldn't want to marry a freaking ice mage who can obliterate anything in her path with ice magic I had to kill her mother and she was left all alone in a tower to dead hagravens and hags
@@masterneloth how can one not be serious when the only people that fight an oppressive dictatorship are met with accusations of racism and disregard for there cause for sovereignty and religious freedom. The native people of skyrim have all right to be cautious against the colonists, especially cuz the darkelves already forced many nords out of there ancestrial homes in the eastern velothi mountains and the argonians are deadric creatures no different then clannfears with thumbs. Im not saying that the hobo is right to be such a dick about it, but neither is that guy right to be racist against a people, or tolerate racism against those, just because they don’t want to end like native americans in reservations while there country is controlled by hostile immigrants brought through an oppressive empire.
I want to add Nivenor was also supposed to adopt the kid that starts you in the dark brotherhood quest when his family gets killed but she hates the idea and was happy genuinely happy when something stops him from coming to them I saw it in a letter while sneaking inside their house I think in a family safe so yea
Fortunately you can get rid of the silver blood thonar by doing the prison quest, and may I add Grelod sure she is a PoS but her death gives you the option to wipe down the dark brotherhood as retribution for sending assasins after you! So her death is not for nothing if you want to destroy the Dark Brotherhood.
There just have another group of assassins pop up again. The Dark Brotherhood is not too bad considering more bloodthirsty people could exist. Always wanted that spell to make people explode though.
@@TwiliDarkRituals I know, but in terms of roleplay wise, my character supports the empire's ideals, and knowing if he kills the emperor it would be haunting his mind all his life, continuing to protect the Emperor and wiping the Dark Brotherhood should they appear again.
Here's my list to be killed off, The circle of the companions; they literally have a Daedra Shrine underneath the city. The Cannibals from Markrath, maven black-briar, Sybille Stendor, Mogul in Raven Rock, and Nazeen.
Maven is one of my more liked characters, as ironically, she's doing a lot more good for Riften than the Jarl is despite causing some cruelty in the process, if you really dive deep into her background and lore it starts to make some sense while leaving a lot in the air about the true motives and reason... she's a good character with bad vibes and it works flawlessly. though i can understand the hate for her by many...
Am I the only one who expected this video to be about the people that are necessary to be killed to complete all quests? This was a lot funnier though and I probably enjoyed it even more than I expected to before clicking on this video.
You don't need unalive Thonar Silver-Blood. Simply help the Folsworn escape the mine but betray Madanach after he gives you his armor and everyone else has already left. When you return to the city, Thonar will be waiting for you to give you his ring but will get one-shot by any of the now really really angry folsworn and likely also turned into a zombie that will get one-shot a second time by the guards leaving him only as a pile of ash, just like his wife. Don't forget to loot his house afterwards.
You're such a genius there's so many people on this list that I can't stand but it never actually occurred to me to take them out and make my own life easier LMAO thanks for the tip 🙏
Neloth: 'It's a pity Bethesda didn't make more characters killable.' Me: 'Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bethesda‘s hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Neloth? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that these characters have some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bethesda may rule the fate of many.'
Admittedly, getting those kids out of Rorikstead is a good thing considering there's theories floating about that kids are sacrificed around there to Daedra to keep the soil fertile.
@@Techhunter_Talon Not kids, but pregnant women. So those girls will still be in danger when they grow up and possibly start a family. Point still stands to get them the hell out.
I can't kill Ondolemar. He's the only Thalmor in the game that doesn't want to kill you immediately after two lines of dialogue. That makes him special. Yes, he is an asshole. Yes, he asks you to do abhorrent things. Doesn't stop him from being a novelty. Not counting Elenwen since she's essential. Also not counting Ancano. Not because he's tied to a quest, because I know in my bones he wants me dead before he knows I exist. Also Ondolemar showed up to my wedding. And a recently-dismissed follower did not. I went on so many adventures with that lady, saved her ass countless times, and she couldn't even make it to Riften without me explicitly commanding it. The race supremacist made the effort, and my good pal skipped out. Sure, he probably came because I'm a ruthless demigod hell bent on eating souls, and the last time the Altmer homeland had a run-in with a dragonborn it was a Numidium-driven death party so it's sensible to play nice and keep tabs on my activity lest something similar wriggle into my thoughts, but still-- the Thalmor bastard made the trip, _Lydia._
I killed Ondolemar, literally right after my first time speaking to him, or rather i made his goon squad kill him by using a frenzy illusion spell on him from stealth, got away with it too as i had what i think is a vokkri mod exclusive perk that makes all my magic silent
Nope,vanilla also has silent cast perk in illusion skill tree Fun fact(not really): the said perk was only supposed to work on illusion spells but Bugthesda happened and due to spaghetti code it works on all magic,even incliding thu'um.
I'm sorry, I'm supposed to just kill NPCs because "I don't like your attitude"? Please, talk is cheap, you know that. These NPCs may talk a big game, but in reality, they're toothless. Shouldn't make martyrs out of everyone just because they run their mouths. And I know it's just a simulation, you can do whatever you want, but freedom of choice is a big responsibility. Knowing whom you should kill and not... yes, there's times and places of when and when not to. Knowing the difference is the key. On this list, you CAN kill Mogrul after you speak with Drovis about the debt. He'll be marked non-essential and can kill him any time after that. Fair assessment, Mogrul has been taking advantage of Raven Rock's misery for the longest time and tried to make a loan shark monopoly out of it. So, in all wisdom, he IS one NPC who should be offed. Townsfolk would certainly not miss that guy. Oh yes, and Thonar Silverblood. A man who thinks himself above the law, and some citizens mention Markarth would be better off without him. You can get your chance to kill him when you side with Madanach and escape the prison. And just set difficulty to Novice and watch him get dropped by the Forsworn faster than you can say "Justice for Markarth". Now Sybille Stentor, that's quite a gray area. Sure, she's a vampire, but she's not stupid. I mean, any ignoramus hunter would immediately assume she's going to try to turn the entire court into her thralls, but that's just not the case. She's been the court wizard for many years, so, you'd think she would have taken over long ago. But no. In fact, she shows sound judgement about why the Empire is essential to Skyrim. Although it's true she gives you a quest to clear out a vampire den, but it is something that she does in order to cover her tracks. Though at the same time, you'd be doing the Hold a favor by getting rid of them. So, it's a win-win situation. But, you know, how you go about it is up to you. Everyone else, that's where I just need to say, "get a grip on your self-restraint". Nivenor? Ignore her. Lemkil? (SMH) That's bait. Molush? Forsworn escapees will take care of him, after the prison escape of course.
I’ve been receiving this same comment for over a year so let me clarify. I am aware that Bolli cheats on Nivenor with Haelga.
My reasoning for killing Nivenor is because she uses up all of Bolli’s money for jewelry instead of allowing it to go to charity. If Nivenor dies then there is some more hope for the poor and downtrodden of Riften. The cheating was never meant to be the reason for why you should kill her.
Hello i have a question what happens if one of the npc that has a job like selling armor or anything else gets kill would someone will take his job ?
bolli says that haelga "slipped something in his drink" so she's really the one to blame
@@reguluscummins878 he says 'she probably slipped something in my drink' what’s he doing in her brothel in the first place? I’m not saying he’s at fault but it is pretty weird that he was there in the first place
@@rrostovaaIt does double as a hotel to be fair, and with how flashy she is with her dibellan worship, I wouldn't be surprised if she resorted to.... darker means.
@@thenateshow4371and even if she did slip something in his drink, why would he keep the mark of Dibella? He even acts innocent when you ask to have it. I don’t think he was drugged by Haelga, I thunk he just realized Nivenor sucks and Harlga is easier
1: Nazeem (It's pretty much tradition at this point.)
2: Taron Dreth
3: That random old orc that is looking for a good death. (Who says the NPC has to be a terrible person?)
don’t forgot the ebony warrior
Well, Nazeem is just a snobbish jerk and show off. If I play a good character, murdering him is kind of out of character. I wish there was an option to beat him up(not just as a part of companion side quest) or humiliate him in some other way so he changes his behavior though. If i play morally grey or evil character though, he does not survive too long. xD
@@dauritas1460 there need to be more options to beat people up. Playing as a Dunmer atm, I have to calm myself so often so I don't burn down whole Windhelm for their racism.
@@THEpsycho404 My Altmer Stormcloak supporter disagrees with the burning of Windhelm part. xD
@@THEpsycho404 there’s a “challenge to duel” mod. Upon defeat , the opponent typically doesn’t die . They fight fist on fist if your hands are empty or with weapons if yours are drawn
«id never condone murder in real life» is a weird thing to specify 😂
...but...
It’s exactly what someone who’d condone murder in real life would say…
@@jacksparda997 and what someone who wouldn't condone would say too
i do if they are commies
@@supergobgoblin424 You don't know what communism is.
I just got to Rorikstead on a new character and a dragon appeared. While fighting it in the town it picked someone up with its mouth and flung him, so after killing it I investigated who died. "It was probably just one of the guards," I thought, well imagine my surprise when it was conveniently Lemkil. I didn't even talk to him before I got there.
Seems even Alduin cares more for his dragon subordinates than Lemkil does for his children. Ironic. 😂
Dude same thing happened to me
I would probably understood the joke but after 280h I still didn't visit Rorikstead 💀
But once I got into Orc's village (this one close to Markhart) cause I wanted to learn one handed weapon on max level and then dragon appeared and killed like 90% of village including their leader.
I WAS WAITING FUCKING WEEKS FOR HIM, but he never appeared on his throne next to his second wife and then I searched and found his body... Under the great three. He died as warrior.
And nothing of value was lost that day
"Boli will be able to spend more of his money helping the poor"
*Proceeds to kill Boli*
Communist tactics. XD
@@madmorgo6233literally capatalism
@@iamcyber ze capitalists would have him spend his moneys, surely 💰
Socialist Democrats ☕️ 😏
Bolli cheated on her! Her buying things in that town helps the local economy so those merchants can afford their rent. As the richest guy in town it’s his moral obligation to spend consistently back into the hood so that the hood can support him.
Lemkil's name is literally "kill me," scrambled. The game designers made him as despicable as the ESRB eating would allow.
Lemkil is not that bad. No indication that he’s an abusive father or person. He’s bitter that his wife died giving birth to twins, an improbable and tragic scenario that he’s probably upset with.
@@0IIIIII how about where if you fight someone in the town he might send you a letter asking you to beat up one of his children?
@@Tonithemeloni04 that’s not unique to to his character that’s something that all characters with NPC relationships will do. If you interpret that literally than yes, it makes him a bad father. But there’s no reason to because it’s more of a game mechanic than a character description.
@@0IIIIII IDK About that my guy, I talked to one of the twins Sissel who said "Most days, I do all I can to stay away from my sister and my father. The beating's the same from either one.",
And then the twin sister is a brat "If you beat up my sister Sissel, I won't tell." "I'm the older sister, by nearly five minutes. Sissel's barely worthy to walk in my shadow."
Then the dad is just straight up an ass about them:
"Do yourself a favor and don't have children. They're good for nothing at all."
"Curse my good-for-nothing daughters! My wife was twice the woman they'll ever grow to be. She gave her life birthing them. What a waste."
And his conversations with Rorik, Mralki and Erik which are just cold.
Sissel is the only nice one of the family tbh
@@ryndereus4778 your critical thinking skills and reading comprehension are poor. Taking a child’s statements about their family literally without any corroboration is silly. Lemkil is also bitter that his wife died in childbirth, he probably was looking forward to having kids and being a father. Her death, perhaps due to the rare and taxing chance of having twins, likely made Lemkil resentful. Understandable, if your love died suddenly you’d be upset too.
Although you can't kill him without completing his quest (unfortunately) another one would be Jaree-Ra, stinking lizard wants you to make a ship crash so you can loot it, nevermind the fact you're putting the lives of everyone onboard including the innocent sailors in danger of dying; and if you do it (which I didn't) he reveals himself to be a backstabbing traitor and leader of a band of murdering bandits who kill everyone onboard anyways. His plan to put innocent people's lives in danger for profit is despicable enough for him to die, let alone everything else; too bad the game doesn't let you do it.
And the loot you get isn’t even worth it! Last time I played the quest I only got a water breathing spell. I was playing an Argonian…
Well its just an imperial ship and imperials on the ship, probably bringing in supplies for the dominion forces that occupy west skyrim. Killing them and stealing there property is good and you can cleanse a bandit camp after this.
Oh I did his question (I'm chaotic neutral in these games) but I went and killed EVERYBODY outside of the ship, went inside and killed everyone and was lucky enough to chop Jaree-Raes sisters head off, though I'ma sneak character and when I killed a few of his crewmates and I heard him saying:
*YOU KILLED MY CREW AND SISTER HISSSSS!!!*
It's really why I sometimes hate Skyrim. Some characters really need to die, but oh wow can't kill them
fucking hate him. i felt betrayed, as i think all agorians are my friends.
Sybille says something after you kill the vampires like them being nasty creatures and how she prefers finer things. She’s basically coming out and telling you she’s a vampire. I’ve always assumed that she uses the prisoners to feed on so she lives a much more comfortable existence than most vampires
She does, the executioner will mention how she'll sometimes take his kills for "experiments", and how its a far worse fate than his axe
@@allhandsondik7803 Yea she basically uses them the same way the Castle Volkihar vampires do the people they capture but everyone is either ignorant or just ok with it. My guess is that most don’t actually know she’s a vampire even though it’s quite obvious. Not to mention her eyes but the fact she doesn’t age.
I created my own post Skyrim fan fiction where Volkihar succeeded in his tyranny plan and Sybille becomes the Jarl of Solitude. They are ultimately stopped by a now grown up Aventus Arentino and the Honorhall orphans who become the new Dark Brotherhood. Aventus is the main character in my story
@@GrimmFLawless where can i read it?
"I too have a secret. I'm a werewolf.. with an appetite for vampire!"
I genuinely believe Lemkil is like the tutorial for the ability to adopt children YOU orphan in Skyrim.
His name is literally an anagram of 'Kill me', he is cartoonishly bad and his children would be completely better off with him dead.
I genuinely believe he only exists to bait players into killing him and then discovering they can adopt his kids.
Did you know there is a radiant quest where Lemkil pays you to beat up his kids. Not Joking.
Wonder if he was meant to be the Dark Brotherhood introduction hit before they created Grelod
@@ryanhau1073 that's a product of the game's relationship system.
I believe it comes from when you attack someone who a character has a low relationship with, there's a very slim chance that character can send you a letter and ask you to attack someone else they have a low relationship with.
Lemkil and his daughters are designated as having a low relationship. I don't know how much of that is intentional.
And then proceed to only adopt Sissel...
@@obtuse186 just got a child beater red handed good job man
I did not notice his name being an enegram...wow now i am paranoid
As a general rule I take out all Thalmor wherever I find them. Its the principal of the thing.
Doing the Gods work I see 😎
Somehow managed to kill a group on the first trip to Whiterun. Had to stay away from Whiterun for a while though.
@@chadharger9323 that’s why you should talk and provoke them into attacking you first, that way you won’t be charged for any crimes.
@@theawesomeone6856 ahh yes, the Skyrim legal system.
@@ApollyonZKX If you join the legion, and you fight some Thalmor agents around a bunch of legionnaires, they will *help* you kill the Thalmor agents, or so I’ve heard. Apparently the Imperial Legion is getting ready for Thalmor blood to be shed, lol.
"My fellow Serana Simps"
Damn dude didn't have to call us out like that.
I don't understand why people simp for her, or anyone, really.
@@morganc.m1830 I'll put it plainly, Serena is a hot goth vampire with daddy issues who easily is the most developed character in the game.
Don’t forget to cap Erikur after he becomes none essential after main & theives missions & u can off Sibbi in his prison cell too
By Akatosh, I had no idea Erikur could be killed... This changes everything...
@@masterneloth Being more annoing than even Nazeem is an achievement
Sibbi is essential until you do two quests tied to him. One of them is to broker a deal he made with someone to sell off his mother's prized horse, which is just nice way to get at Maven despite her being essential and ensures that Maven never finds out who took the horse too, and the other is to track down the guy's ex-girlfriend, who you can lie about where she is.
Really? 😲😈
Muehehe
One of my favorite things to do in Skyrim is to trap the souls of all the assholes and creeps I encounter in the game then either display it or enchant a weapon with it, give it a unique name and showcase it in my personally gallery called the Gallery of Insufferables. My favorite so far is the Orcish axe I crafted and enchanted with Mogrul's soul called the Bastard's Axe which I can dual wield with his other axe. It's displayed right next to his clothes and then I plan on putting Grelod's soul next to a child's doll in the gallery.
😂
I soul trapped ulfric and enchanted alduins bones with him. Not necessarily relevant, but it was a cool weapon. 2 handed axe with paralyze and absorb stamina.
Nice, I love this kind of creativity.
Used to do that in Oblivion, when you could be more free with the enchantments. Usually trapped the really really evil peoples soul in an item with a fire enchantment and named the item after them. Was kind of disappointed when Skyrim introduced the Soul Cairn, as my head canon always was that their souls were bound to the item and the sort of enchantment it carried 😂 as I got older, it also made me realize that no one should have the ability to play God in real life, as my teenage young mind was too occupied with dealing out death and destruction in the game. The thought of it kind of makes me uncomfortable now.
Holy shit, you just gave me a reason to start a new playthrough
Sybille Stentor also has ties with the vampire leader in Red water Den in riften. She's the one who helped him progress farther to getting his red water going.
I’ll have to read up on the journal at Redwater Den because that would be a really cool tidbit of lore
I always believed that Sybille Stentor aided the vampire leader because they were political enemies of Harkon and she knew of Harkon's power and maybe even his plan to stop the sun
Well, "helped him progress" is a bit much. They met in Solitude, she told him that he'd better behave himself there, that he is probably chasing a dumb idea, but if it exists it would probably be in the Rift somewhere. That's it. They probably talked just that one time.
Sybill is definetly pushing her own agenda and such, but beside her not being able to sense Pothemas summoning (which might as well could have had protective spells put in place, considering their goal) I never felt her to be evil or harmfull. Yes, she drains prisoners of their blood, but she does need that to live and she isn't hunting citizens or something, just convicted criminals.
Reality is rarely Black and White, so why should fiction be? Another "Yeah she is a Vampire so she is automatically Evil" is just far more boring than the alternative
@@BlueDragonKnight77 her duty would be to kill that vampire on sight, seize his book and research and surrender it to the jarl.
@@georgemurdock7670 She clearly thought him no threat, why would she just *attack* him? She's not some holy Paladin or something. If there is a Vampire causing problems she won't hesitate to have them ended (she does send the Dragonborn to kill one after all) but that guy was neither dangerous nor his research interesting enough to get her hands on. She thought it was a fools errand
I'd also add that honor blood bloke in windhelm, the beggar. It's implied him and stone fist (not galmar, the other one, forgot his name) are going to do bad things to Sulvis come midnight. Plus if stone fist is true to his word and plans on gathering men to beat up dark elves, one less man for him to recruit isn't it?
It has always annoyed the Oblivion out of me that Stonefist is flagged essential...I want that racist turd dead! Him finding his buddy's corpse is the only joy I get in Windhelm....
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
@@johndoe-cv8pr you lost it to the empire, clearly not.
Yeah.. .how many played Skyrim the first time thinking the Rebel/Empire dynamic was just like Star Wars. . .only to find out that joining these rebels was tantamount to joining the KKK . . .which was made worse if it's a non-human character being played.
@@chadharger9323 non nord character
I'm not sure sybille should be on the list. It seems she does try her best to live a normal good life. If i recall she had a hand in raising the high king who was well liked, and as for the prisoner volunteers I assume this is her way of feeding, perhaps she picks the worst ones for feeding and does this to avoid preying on the innocents. All just speculation but I feel she behaves as good as a vampire can be.
She could try to find a cure for her illness, and the high king was a lying and honorless asshole who agreed to a religious cleansing against his people and just surrendered his country while winning the war cuz some dude in a fancy dress told him too.
She raises a serious question. Is she actually evil and torturous or is she really just feeding and the rumours are exaggerations because she's a court wizard visiting a prison which is scary? If you kill her you may have killed an innocent woman who suppresses her vampiric nature, a terrible and unjust murder by someone who is supposed to be a hero, on the other hand though, if you don't you might be leaving the future High Queen of Skyrim under the potential influences of a vampire who means to do Skyrim harm.
I wish they developed her more and allowed there to be a bunch of quests relating to her so we could learn the truth.
Edit: During the Tyranny of the Sun she will say "Skyrim is ours!" as her reaction to the sun being gone, which is very evil. However I do not know if that's just an oversight.
Edit 2: Upon further investigation that line is generic, it's likely just because she's of the vampire race and has the voice type that supports that line.
@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I appreciate that you rushed to let us know
@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I wish they expanded on the Wolf Queen rather than pull Harkon out of their butts, he could have been a loyal Jarl to her.
Rather than a mysterious castle it would be Potema's old hold, and whatnot. Also as a Septim she was Dragonborn wich would have conected her to the MC.
While all Thalmor deserve death, if you do his quest, Ondolamar becomes a really good friend to you no matter your race, at Ellynwyns party for the main quest he can be used to cause a distraction, actively putting his career and possibly life on the line to help a friend out. If he wasn't a Thalmor, he'd probably make for a great guy.
I'd argue that there is two factions in the Thalmor, those who are hardliners "mer are superior, all must bow to us" and then those who just want to make sure the peace lasts simply due to how devastating the war was. Ondolamar seems to be the latter, his boss seems to be in between, and the ones we happily murder hobo in the streets are the former. Also helps my characters conscious even as she melts down their weapons to make her house.
I mean... The blade of Mephala (is that how you spell it?) needs a sacrifice, who is better to give than a Thalmor?
He isn't a bad guy, he's just with the wrong people.
For Ondolemar a lot seems to be a matter of faith... He hunts down Talos worshippers, because to him, they're heretics and attacking his faith.
He also thinks the Empire is already crumbling, and calls it rotten, showing that he might think that corruption is rampant among the most influential people.
To me, it really seems like the Thalmor just spun a narrative to take advantage of religious Altmer, that question the Empire's structure, and he just got roped into it like that.
I mean... you can walk up to him, the guy who's pretty much in charge of the Thalmor in Skyrim, and just ask him who he is and what he does and he'll explain it to you, without talking down to you, no matter what race you are.
It's not that he hates all nords, or all races of man, he just genuinely thinks Talos worship is bad, and there should be a change or rulership.
If you're nice to him, and show you respect his faith, he literally has no reason to dislike you, it seems.
The sad thing is that he loses all like for you if you do ask him for a distraction, so it's not advisable to use him that way. Although if you do befriend him he may turn up at your wedding.
Oh sure, a fascist will like you if you conform to their ideals.
In Nivenors defense. She’s basically a sugar baby, but didn’t Boli cheat on her with Helga? He probably promised her an easy life lol
Exactly.
True Bolli did cheat on her, but she has also most likely cheated on him. And while I have a dislike for cheaters. Other then cheating on Nivenor Bolli is generally a rather good guy, constantly helping the poor and such. And its not unheard of for someone to be trapped in a loveless marriage in the time Skyrim would take place (Keep in mind, the only way to Divorce your wife in Skyrim is for them to die). So, Chances are Bolli initially actually genuinely loved Nivenor, and was faithful for a long time, but Nivenor never showed him affection (Or Limit affection, because she seems like a right bitch). So honestly, the fact that Bolli went for Haelga when he is most likely trapped in a loveless marriage doesn't detract from the general good he does around riften.
@@HallowedKeeper_ “most likely cheated” isn’t a really solid reason Just out of fairness, since there isn’t any evidence of that. I don’t think either are necessary bad. Nivenor is more selfish and definitely wants an easy life, but I don’t think that’s evil lol
@@baboonkayaya there’s a note in their house from a PI stating that Nivenor has had multiple affairs
@@baboonkayaya Nivenor's attitude towards the poor and her infidelity are inexcusable
Fun fact about Lemkil. So you know how sometimes, if you do some killing in an area, someone will send you a letter asking you to teach someone they dislike a lesson by hitting them a few times or maybe killing them? Well, that someone is randomly decided based on the NPC's disposition towards that other randomly chosen NPC. Because of this, all quest-related dialogue is vague, never naming anyone or revealing details about the target. Lemkil's disposition towards his daughters is bad enough where it's possible for him to hire you to attack his daughters, so you can actually attack a child that way. Fuck Lemkil
There should be a quest where you go around wearing Daedric Armor(borrowed or your own set), pay a visit to the various children who are spoiled brats and scare them to the point of them stop being like that.
especially that snooty girl in Whiterun. the who says I'm not afraid of you. I'll fight dogs cats I dont care.
@@timcassaday3045 Is she the one that bullies that Battle Born boy for money? There are times I wish there was an option to join Alduin. . .cause yeah. . .not just the brats but a lot of adults.
I always massacre the traitorous jarls after the civil war. After balgruuf is history you can adopt that one asshole daughter of him and put her in undecorated breeze home, should humble her down.
@@timcassaday3045 you can kill her parents and adopt her too lmao
@@timcassaday3045 Braith. Amren's and Saffir's kid.
Mogrul and his lapdog are the only NPCs who aren't agressive I've ever offed. I HATE those guys
Moneylenders deserve immediate execution
one time I capped Mogrul & sheathed my weapon right after with his bodyguard being the only witness, & his bodyguard put his weapon away too & went back to his normal routine lmao
@@samkleinke he don't matter
I think its more amusing to let him live and know he's constantly wasting gold on thugs all the time
@@dgyoshi0659 I like to imagine his face as I keep giving his thugs' gear to Mallory to resell and recycle, and I steal the guards' armor, enchant it with the thugs' souls, and then give it back by dropping the armor near them until they ask if they can have it.
Aerin (Riften) is at the top of my list. In my first play through, so many moons ago, I married Mjoll the Lioness, only to discover this creep wanted more than friendship from my wife and wasn’t about to let our marriage get in his way. Every night she went to sleep and he would creep in and stare at her while she was sleeping. If you attack him, Mjoll will rush to his defense. If you kill him, she will try to kill you. It was a challenge, finding a work around that. Laying simple traps and hiding wasn’t sufficient…. If you haven’t worked a way out to kill him without estranging yourself from Mjoll, I suggest giving it a try. That pervert deserves to die.
My method for killing Aerin is by sneaking into his house, while he and Mjoll are both asleep, and simply assassinate him with a single, quick, silent strike. After killing him and stealing all of his goods, I then yeet myself out of the house as quick as I can before anyone can notice me and come after me for my crimes.
Couldnt you have Mjoll follow you somewhere. Make her stay, and then off Aerin away from her where she cant see or hear him be murked?
Just DL Amorous Adventures and you get to kill him in a surprisingly well made quest. That mod (without animated sex) is a staple of my load order due to it's many humorous quests.
I'm about sure that they just abandined Mjoll and Aerin altogether. My suspicion was that she was to start a counter-faction against the thieves gould and you would have had the ability to choose between them.
But they cut it and then didn't bother checking the AI.
@@dughorm Oh no, if Aerin is gay then it's over worse, because he isn't showing up in your house for Mjoll anymore.
After you've completed Skyrim's main story line you CAN kill Elewen and I highly recommend it, especially after she sends the thalmor after you.
The only problem is getting into the Thalmor Embassy.
But it is a long way down the Throat of the World....
@@Janoha17 nothing that can't be done with some Wooden Plates. You can use them to get in the Embassy even after you completed the quest.
What's funny is if you kill Ondolemar in front of everyone you don't even get a murder bounty, just assault. I guess everyone in Markarth hates his ass too XD
To be fair, there isn't a single sensible person in all Skyrim who cares about the Thalmor.
Whenever I do the Forsworn Conspiracy, I smuggle in my gear with the dremora butler from one of the black books and use it to slaughter the Forsworn in prison.
When I get out, Thonar thanks me and gives me his ring...shortly thereafter, he is mysteriously and tragically catapulted across Markarth and dies from fall damage.
In my case, a day or two after all the Forsworn died in prison, Thonar mysteriously turned up dead on his own doorstep. Cause of death appeared to be the Forsworn arrow in his back, which had presumably (judging by the angle and timing, seeing as though there were no known witnesses) been fired from the rooftop of the Temple of Dibella in the late evening as he was returning home from the Silver-Blood Inn. Curious, that.
Thanks to power of mods i have a "non-hostile" highly pressurised stream of water that sends people flying and stunlocks anything that can't be ragdolled.
Perfect to deal with annoying npc's who happen to be near a cliff,ledge or a long staircase.
Bolli isn’t faithful himself, he was sleeping with Haelga. Though maybe that was borne out of frustration with his wife’s infidelity
mogrul: lookes like YOU now owe me 1000 septims, i will send a debt collector every 3 days
Dragonborn: so, let me get this straight, either i loose a measly 1000 septims, or you pay people to fill by black soul gems... lol, good luck bud. i hope your pockets are deep.
black soul gems arent hard to fill, just go to a bandit camp the thing is paying him 1000 septimes or to the guards for murdering him ( not really a hard choice and if you play always stealth like me the kill is free xD )
@@Zerberos22 yeah but all i have to do is walk three feet out of town and i got 3 bounty free souls waiting on me. it's more of a convenience really, i like to saunter past him selling the thugs goods in front of his face. knowing it's going to cost a fortune to kill me.
My favorite response in the game is actually for Thonar, some Forsworn agents break their cover to murder his family in their house and you can just respond "You deserved this"
Can't believe Nazeem isn't on this list...
he said that he leaves out characters from whiterun and also the very obvious choices
Nazeem's wife hates him. He's stuck in a loveless marriage. Wouldn't you be kind of a dick sometimes too?
Nazeem is tradition
He's old news by now.
Nazeem is on general principle. No need for him to be on here.
the one person i killed without realizing they were tied to a quest and such was grelod the kind and that was way back when skyrim first came out my kill list has the normal people in whiterun and riverwood but ive also put the two owners of halfmoon mill theyre a vampire couple who literally have bloody human skeletons in their shed
Yeah, those 2 vampires will definitely be in the next video, have no fear!
i also forgot the drunk guy in winterhold who does nothing but drink and berates his wife theres also the female argonian who gives you the lexicron in riften in my eyes she is or was a bandit theres also the young lady inside the old fort filled with hags and hagravens who asks the mc to help her kill her mother because shes tired of doing bad but again shes tied to a quest as well as the argonian woman at the riften fisheries we cant forget about the owner of quicksilver mines in dawnstar i mean its like 99% possibility that he hired the dark brotherhood to kill his wife the owner of the iron mines but theres like 20 people i kill just because i deem them to be heartless individuals or straight up waste of space in skyrim if it werent for the fact that some of the npcs are essential there would be more i mean the 2 guys who you first meet in windhelm harrassing a dunmer woman cant kill them because they are essential idk why but they are
@@TheSmartNacho Illia is actually a pretty decent follower once you get her some good gear. After the quest you can get her to come with you and I put her in a glass set of armor since she wants to atone for her sins, the OG Snow elf Armor I keep for my paladin build when I'm playing that but I'll give it to her if not. But since she's willing to atone I let her live and she makes it so I don't have to worry about wasting points in frost magic since most things are immune to frost. Just back her up with a summon or 2 and then sit back and she can handle most things herself.
@@masterneloth that couple is a dark brotherhood quest though, most dark brotherhood targets are low hanging fruit. And yes, most brotherhood targets are dispicable beings.
I think the aunt/uncle who abandoned Lucia in Whiterun are the farm couple that you meet during the roadside Cicero quest.
Wait till after the quest of course.
Sybille is actually a good vampire, well as good as they can get, but she keeps her feedings to people who are going to get executed anyway, also that forever sleep deal is a bug, she has no connection to Potema
Yeah, she's never done the sleeping thing for me.
@@wild180 neither for me, she keep doing things as normal
As big a self-righteous prick as Ondolemar is, he is the only Thalmor you can actually befriend.
He will actually attend Elenwen's party at the Thalmor Embassy during the main quest and should you have helped expose the Talos worship he will in turn agree to cause a diversion to help you to slip into the backrooms. That makes my impression of him neutral and I won't kill him even if he is extremely full of himself.
SilverBlood has suffered enough but im never satisfied.
More blood is always better ;)
I don’t think Sybille’s that bad. She advises Elisif since she sucks at ruling, and also kinda raised Torygg. Harming prisoners (if it’s true) is nothing new in Skyrim, especially for a vamp, since they need blood and whatnot. I don’t think she’s evil just because of that and some unimportant things like going to sleep, which is probably due to a bug, and being overly skeptical of the cave rumors.
Yes it seem to be bug which do it and it has never happen for me but i have seen it happen to other ppl.
Honestly, the moment Mogrul demanded that I pay him a thousand septims, I just drew my axe and sent him to Malacath right then and there
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I can't kill Sybille Stentor, I don't know why but I like her. I think she is a bit like Janus Hassildor in Oblivion when he asked the champion of kvatch to kill a group of vampires because he didn't want to risk them revealing that he was one of them. It's probably the same with Sybille when she wants us to slay the vampires. However Janus was a nice guy, he even helped the mage guild to fight against Mannimarco.
Bolli is also sleeping with Haelga so Nivenor isnt the only problem there
Yup, but Nivenor’s death might make Bolli donate more to charity instead of wasting it on jewelry. And Nivenor hates the poor in the most comedic way too
@@masterneloth V true, she's such a "women be shopping" caricature. Just bag em both and do your own charity work I guess?
I think Bolli began sleeping with Haelga after he found out that his wife is cheating on him. Perhaps he is doing it as revenge, IDK but it's a cool thought.
honestly, thank you for not mentioning Heimsker or Nazeem. like i get it, theyre wicked fucking annoying, but the hate the hate they get is also wicked annoying.
Let's not forget the side mission to obtain a mark of Dibella from Boli given to him by Healga whom of which he was going behind his wife's back to meet
talks about how much he loves Serana ... says someone deserves to die for being a Vampire
My nr1 choice is always Haelga in Riften.
She forces her niece to essentially be the slave who's always surrounded by her "customers". Talking with her niece you can uncover that they not only harass her but she "works" there without sleep or rest. I always finnish that quest and either marry Svanna or just kill Healga.
Honestly… Haelga’s a freak in the bed. Basically a unicorn in Skyrim. Her niece can always go somewhere else , but she’d rather stay, complain, and wait for someone to expose her aunt.
Also, Svanna thanks you once and then is disgusted by your presence every time you come back. And the armor she gives is pretty low tier.
@@motodog242 It was jut my opinion anyway. Between choosing of ruining wh*res day to cheer Svannas day and keeping it as it is - my choise is obvious.
Besides never in my life I heard Svanna disgusted by my presence unless I killed Haelga.
yeah i murdered her too
@@motodog242 i’m p sure that’s j bc they’re related in the creation engine, it just gave off glitch when it happened to me
@@motodog242 ong tho her armor sucks ass
btw elenwen is killable after the peace council part - just glitch back into the embassy and she's no longer essential
hmm good to know
I tried that. It didn't work for me when I did.
@@JohnnnyJohn huh, maybe it only works when you compete the main quest and civil war quests? then try glitching into the embassy to kill her.
@@MUSICBLASTROCKS Hmm... I had not done Civil War at that point. I had finished the main quest, but not that. Good point!
Ironically ondelomar is actually a decent person if you do his quest. He's actually one of the few thalmour who isn't an absolute asshole. He's really just doing his job.
Brondelomar came to my wedding and as such he will live
How about the entire Markarth city guard? I mean Thonar Silver-Blood and the Ebony Blade is still the best ship in the game, but the guards are his puppets, killed my pal for life Eltrys, presumably were in charge of executing Braig's three-year-old daughter, framed ME, and are extremely racist to the Reachmen, Forsworn or not. In their own words, they kill any native in the town that tries to make a difference! As soon as I got out of Cidhna Mine, you can bet that the first thing I did after putting Thonar in a gem was single-handedly destroy the entire guard in front of everyone in town, going out of my way to find every last one of them in every building they were in and kill Ondolemar in the process just because he was in my way. The Jarl himself was chasing after me and a courier interrupted the fight to give me a letter of inheritance from Thonar at some point. Most fun I ever had in the game.
Im surprised nobody has called the Dark Brotherhood
well the only one who deserves to die is Astrid because she literally betrays you, the rest are just your jolly neighbourhood assassins
My brother in Sithis *_WE ARE THE DARK BROTHERHOOD_*
You can just list every existing Thalmor in this, and nobody would ever disagree
Yeah, I kill every Justiciar on sight.
If you kill lemkil in sight of his daughters, you will get an unsigned note with a little gold from the courier...
Interesting
0:16 "touched tips" was a poor choice of words... lmao
or was it?
@@BigGayIncorporated It was ;)
Lydia is an obvious kill choice because she gets in the god damn way of the door constantly
Just wait until you get Meeko or Vigilance.
I would add Arondil to the top of the list, but it is more fun to see his ghosts get vengence than kill him myself
Arondil would be a good choice but I wanted to avoid people who are automatically hostile towards you.
@@masterneloth that's a good way to keep the list intresting :)
I love how Skyrim is still living strong on TH-cam and consoles/PC...I think it's set as essential
Bolli is definitely clapping Haelga's cheeks behind Nivenor's back
Dragonborn: Jarl Elisif, a vampire has infiltrated your court. Here I have proof. **Shows proof.**
Sabile: 😰😰😰
Elisif: Very well. I will allow you to carry out your work without the guards interfering.
Dragonborn: Cool thanks. **Whips our Dawnbreaker and slaughters the visiting advisor in the middle of the Blue Palace.**
Dawmbreaker: **Explodes and disintegrates the visiting advisor.**
Sabile: Why am I burning?
This man has the most soothing voice yet he’s so crass and i fvcking love it
Thalmor all deserve to face the wall, but I do like how Ondolemar genuinely sees you as a friend if you help him and he'll help you when you go to the Thalmor embassy. Pretty based if you ask me.
Despite some good reasons, I would argue that killing Sybille is the worst thing you could do. As pointed out by another TH-camr, Jarl Elisif is an idiot. Even though it turns out to be a major threat, she wants to send an entire detachment of imperial soldiers to investigate the cave based solely on farmers hearing strange noises! Sybille sensibly talks Elisif out of it because that would be foolish & stupid as it would leave Solitude less defended which the Stormcloaks could’ve taken advantage of.
Thonar Silverblood was also having an affair with the shop owner next door. That shop owner's husband was mysteriously murdered by the same Forsworn that Thonar was manipulating by virtue of having their king in rags. Ironically, that same _sweet_ shop owner is a cannibal and worshiper of the daedra of decay. Those two are dead in my current play through and in the long run, Thonar's wife is better off. Killing Thonar will stop his shop keeper lover next door from buying and/or selling to you but if she's dead already (results from a quest when I refused to kill a priest), you might as well take out Thonar. A local fence will buy your loot if you do a thieves guild quest to expand their influence into Markoth.
I thought they ate her husband. I didnt even peep the affair🤣🤣😭
I munch on a priest just to become "friendly" with cannibals
I kill that store merchant,the meat merchant and dog trainer with Ebony Blade three times over becaude Ritual Stone goes brrrr then i take Eola to Boethia.
I bet being used for daedra worship isn't fun as it was worshiping daedra.
+fully charged Ebony Blade
+Ebony Mail without sacrificing a follower i actually like
+screwing over Namira because i do not tolerate this daedra
6:23 I adore that you ran back over to give Sybille's corpse one last little zap.
5:14 "-let me explain. If you aren't Fucking blind-" Had me DYING
in the Anniversary edition in the Grey Fox quest you find confirmation that Nivenor is cheating on Bolli (and that he knows about it) as well as learning that when an orphan child Bolli took in went missing she basically didn't bother looking. She def belongs on this list
I HAVE killed Elenwen. Not sure what you have to do first to make her no longer essential. It was late in the game and I used the horse jump trick to get into the yard behind the embassy which gives access to the embassy and solar.
You can kill the Torturer at the beginning even if you go with Hadvor. Just have to be quick about it and do it during the battle. Just rush in and kill him before the Stormcloaks go down. 1) He totally deserves it. His words and attitude makes him sound like he's related to Mavin. 2) You won't have to listen to the back and forth between him and Hadvar for the 1000th time.
You can actually don't have to kill him quick OR in battle, you can just kill him. No one cares, trust me, I've tried it.
You, casually killing each NPC in plain sight:
Me, wanting to kill them but are willing to follow them to their homes, pick open their doors, and kill them in their sleep
Once Lemke was killed by spriggans who followed me to rorikstead and I didn't have to get my own hands dirty.
Riverwood chicken for ratting you out as a new player.
Mogul was the reason I took the poisoning skill under pickpocketing. Made a DoT poison that did some insane damage in a few seconds, honestly I WAS planning to sell it for cash when I ran into this pile of walking garbage and remember I had unspent skills. One invis spell out of site while he was drinking and I made it look like he had a massive heart attack, no bounty and no one ever tried to send anyone after me. Later had to try it on a certain orphanage owner.
The ideal ways to kill Grelod are to do an unarmed sneak attack, or hit her with a Fear spell so she flees the Orphanage and gets ganked by one of the beggars.
I did kill Lemkill in my Switch copy of Skyrim. I don't mind him being my only murder. Now if I can also kill Rolf Stone-Fist... Shame he's essential in vanilla. He can be rendered mortal with mods.
Rolff is only essential until a Thieves Guild Job targets him. After that, you can slay him at your pleasure.
Please absolutely make a part 2!
With the (good) suggestions here, others you think deserve death
And maybe with instructions for the few that are essential until a certain point?
Ps.
I vote for that once-honored to be on the list.
I can do that! Although I probably won’t include Once-Honored because I feel more pity for him than hatred.
@@masterneloth while I completely understand
My pity ends when he threatens characters I like lol
But either way
Absolutely stellar content!
@@masterneloth I wish that killing Rolff Stone-Fist was an option. As it is, I listen to him and Once-Honored abusing a dark elf in the intro to Windhelm, beat Stone-Fist up once, and then right click on him and disable the character. No one even notices he's gone.
@@Rhysdux beautiful
I feel like Sybille is a lot less malevolent than you make her out to be. There are a lot of things she could have done much worse things with. Other comments explain it better, but she seems like she is a lot more well-meaning than your other vampires.
So my Dragonborn always adopts Sofie and rescues Meeko. Then she heads to Rorikstead and kills Lemkil to make his children orphans and then only adopts Sissel and leaves the twin sister Britte to live in the orphanage. To be fair though the cranky old hag running the orphanage originally is also killed so it’s kind of a nicer place…?
I’m not entirely sure where my character fits in the scale of good and evil lol
“I will not condemn murder… But!”
I killed Lemkil a while back but his daughters weren't sent to the orphanage. They are still in Rorikstead.
Someone that I didn’t want to kill but did was Valdimar the awesome Nord housecarl.
I rolepay as an Argonian who is the first Sith (that explains a lot I guess lol). After obtaining Valdimar we went on many adventures but one day he shocked me by asking “what do you want lizard” I was like wait what? I took several tries to get him to say it again…suffice to say Darth Tyranok offered him for the Ebony Blade😭…
thus continuing his path as the first Sith Lord…
Idk why this made me laugh as hard as it did but it’s hilarious
Ondolamar doesnt even need to be killed directly. All you need to do is not join the imperials right away if that was your plan. Do the main quest first and hand the city to the stormcloaks. His coffin will later be found in the hall of the dead.
But killing him yourself is just SO much more satisfying! 😎
I killed three NPC :
Nazeem: he was annoying and he bullied merchants
Astrid: I just hate her and her assassin's factions and I didn't want to join their shit or kill those three captives
Degaine : that markarth beggar was so rude. I gave him gold then he told me " next time bring more gold now get away" like wtf he was so ungrateful
Sybille is a destruction teacher but she levels your illusion when you finished her quest. Very suspicious
Ok now I know who to keep alive in Skyrim...
So that the others don't have to suffer their existence in Sovngarde or their chosen Aedra's Realm.
Black soul gems and soultrap.
Soul Cairn awaits!
People I always kill because I hate them (includes 2 obvious Whiterun characters):
- Nazeem (Wind District) (Killing him angers his wife Ahlam for some reason, and she has to die too :( )
- Heimskr (Shut up already)
- Everybody that turns aggressive, like the lady in the wooden shack near Riverwood (the sister of the Hagraven)
- I agree on Mogrul although I never tried killing him
- Lemkil
- Everybody that discriminates anything but Nords (looking at the Windhelm dudes)
- I know quest characters are excluded, but I can't wait to slice into Mercer Frey during the Thieves Guild quest. After that, I keep both Eyes of the Falmer, I give one to Delvin and get it back later xD
Would love a "Good NPCs to marry" video.
I could make a video on my personal favorite spouses some day lol
Was wondering why nazeem wasn't on the list or this video
Most hated character in all of Skyrim
And thanks to mods
One person I like marrying was either muiri in markarth or even illia from dark light tower
Illia and muiri both lost people and left with nothing in their wake
That's why I had the sympathy to set things right for either of them by marrying them and start a family where loss will never be a thing
Illia seemed more better for me
I mean who wouldn't want to marry a freaking ice mage who can obliterate anything in her path with ice magic
I had to kill her mother and she was left all alone in a tower to dead hagravens and hags
Well then you yourself discriminate against a people and are no better then the hobo in windhelm
@@georgemurdock7670 Your getting too serious my guy
@@masterneloth how can one not be serious when the only people that fight an oppressive dictatorship are met with accusations of racism and disregard for there cause for sovereignty and religious freedom.
The native people of skyrim have all right to be cautious against the colonists, especially cuz the darkelves already forced many nords out of there ancestrial homes in the eastern velothi mountains and the argonians are deadric creatures no different then clannfears with thumbs. Im not saying that the hobo is right to be such a dick about it, but neither is that guy right to be racist against a people, or tolerate racism against those, just because they don’t want to end like native americans in reservations while there country is controlled by hostile immigrants brought through an oppressive empire.
I want to add
Nivenor was also supposed to adopt the kid that starts you in the dark brotherhood quest when his family gets killed but she hates the idea and was happy genuinely happy when something stops him from coming to them I saw it in a letter while sneaking inside their house I think in a family safe so yea
Just make sure you killed Grelod BEFORE you kill Lemke.
Fortunately you can get rid of the silver blood thonar by doing the prison quest, and may I add Grelod sure she is a PoS but her death gives you the option to wipe down the dark brotherhood as retribution for sending assasins after you! So her death is not for nothing if you want to destroy the Dark Brotherhood.
There just have another group of assassins pop up again. The Dark Brotherhood is not too bad considering more bloodthirsty people could exist. Always wanted that spell to make people explode though.
@@TwiliDarkRituals I know, but in terms of roleplay wise, my character supports the empire's ideals, and knowing if he kills the emperor it would be haunting his mind all his life, continuing to protect the Emperor and wiping the Dark Brotherhood should they appear again.
Here's my list to be killed off, The circle of the companions; they literally have a Daedra Shrine underneath the city. The Cannibals from Markrath, maven black-briar, Sybille Stendor, Mogul in Raven Rock, and Nazeen.
Maven is one of my more liked characters, as ironically, she's doing a lot more good for Riften than the Jarl is despite causing some cruelty in the process, if you really dive deep into her background and lore it starts to make some sense while leaving a lot in the air about the true motives and reason... she's a good character with bad vibes and it works flawlessly.
though i can understand the hate for her by many...
Am I the only one who expected this video to be about the people that are necessary to be killed to complete all quests?
This was a lot funnier though and I probably enjoyed it even more than I expected to before clicking on this video.
*kills Nivenor*
now Bolli will be able to spend more of his money helping the poor and benefiting all of Riften.
*proceeds to kill Bolli*
I have been waiting 2 weeks for someone to notice that lol
You don't need unalive Thonar Silver-Blood. Simply help the Folsworn escape the mine but betray Madanach after he gives you his armor and everyone else has already left.
When you return to the city, Thonar will be waiting for you to give you his ring but will get one-shot by any of the now really really angry folsworn and likely also turned into a zombie that will get one-shot a second time by the guards leaving him only as a pile of ash, just like his wife.
Don't forget to loot his house afterwards.
You're such a genius there's so many people on this list that I can't stand but it never actually occurred to me to take them out and make my own life easier LMAO thanks for the tip 🙏
"i refuse to include anyone from whiterun"
every skyrim player ever: *laughs in beheading nazeem*
1) 1:32 Nivenor
2) 2:35 Mulusch
3) 3:21 Mogrul
4) 4:12 Lemkil
5) 5:04 Sybil Stentor
6) 6:37 Ondalmar
7) 7:05 Thonar Silverblood
Don't know if I spelled this correctly
Neloth: 'It's a pity Bethesda didn't make more characters killable.'
Me: 'Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bethesda‘s hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Neloth? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that these characters have some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bethesda may rule the fate of many.'
BRB going to Rorikstead. Bringing back the good kid.
What a great Father you are :)
Admittedly, getting those kids out of Rorikstead is a good thing considering there's theories floating about that kids are sacrificed around there to Daedra to keep the soil fertile.
@@Techhunter_Talon Not kids, but pregnant women. So those girls will still be in danger when they grow up and possibly start a family. Point still stands to get them the hell out.
Didn't Bolli, Nivenor's generous husband, cheat on her with Haelga? Confirmed during the quest given to you by Haelga's niece, Svana.
Please make a part 2. I may have to make a Morag Tong build and sample your list....
I'll send you my writs :)
I'm shocked this wasn't just a 10 minute video roasting Nazeem
I can't kill Ondolemar. He's the only Thalmor in the game that doesn't want to kill you immediately after two lines of dialogue. That makes him special. Yes, he is an asshole. Yes, he asks you to do abhorrent things. Doesn't stop him from being a novelty. Not counting Elenwen since she's essential. Also not counting Ancano. Not because he's tied to a quest, because I know in my bones he wants me dead before he knows I exist.
Also Ondolemar showed up to my wedding. And a recently-dismissed follower did not. I went on so many adventures with that lady, saved her ass countless times, and she couldn't even make it to Riften without me explicitly commanding it. The race supremacist made the effort, and my good pal skipped out. Sure, he probably came because I'm a ruthless demigod hell bent on eating souls, and the last time the Altmer homeland had a run-in with a dragonborn it was a Numidium-driven death party so it's sensible to play nice and keep tabs on my activity lest something similar wriggle into my thoughts, but still-- the Thalmor bastard made the trip, _Lydia._
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I killed Ondolemar, literally right after my first time speaking to him, or rather i made his goon squad kill him by using a frenzy illusion spell on him from stealth, got away with it too as i had what i think is a vokkri mod exclusive perk that makes all my magic silent
Nope,vanilla also has silent cast perk in illusion skill tree
Fun fact(not really): the said perk was only supposed to work on illusion spells but Bugthesda happened and due to spaghetti code it works on all magic,even incliding thu'um.
I'm sorry, I'm supposed to just kill NPCs because "I don't like your attitude"? Please, talk is cheap, you know that.
These NPCs may talk a big game, but in reality, they're toothless. Shouldn't make martyrs out of everyone just because they run their mouths.
And I know it's just a simulation, you can do whatever you want, but freedom of choice is a big responsibility.
Knowing whom you should kill and not... yes, there's times and places of when and when not to. Knowing the difference is the key.
On this list, you CAN kill Mogrul after you speak with Drovis about the debt. He'll be marked non-essential and can kill him any time after that.
Fair assessment, Mogrul has been taking advantage of Raven Rock's misery for the longest time and tried to make a loan shark monopoly out of it.
So, in all wisdom, he IS one NPC who should be offed. Townsfolk would certainly not miss that guy.
Oh yes, and Thonar Silverblood. A man who thinks himself above the law, and some citizens mention Markarth would be better off without him.
You can get your chance to kill him when you side with Madanach and escape the prison. And just set difficulty to Novice and watch him
get dropped by the Forsworn faster than you can say "Justice for Markarth".
Now Sybille Stentor, that's quite a gray area. Sure, she's a vampire, but she's not stupid. I mean, any ignoramus hunter would immediately
assume she's going to try to turn the entire court into her thralls, but that's just not the case. She's been the court wizard for many years,
so, you'd think she would have taken over long ago. But no. In fact, she shows sound judgement about why the Empire is essential to Skyrim.
Although it's true she gives you a quest to clear out a vampire den, but it is something that she does in order to cover her tracks. Though at the
same time, you'd be doing the Hold a favor by getting rid of them. So, it's a win-win situation. But, you know, how you go about it is up to you.
Everyone else, that's where I just need to say, "get a grip on your self-restraint". Nivenor? Ignore her. Lemkil? (SMH) That's bait.
Molush? Forsworn escapees will take care of him, after the prison escape of course.
I like how he knows that a fair number of us are also Serana simps 😂