I was also thinking "why do YOU have to clean their computers?" haha Its their PCs so its their job to maintain them. Though I get he gets to make this video because hes doing it.
Former chemistry teacher here. I wonder if the cracking acrylic has to do with possibly thermal expansion and contraction being different between the metal coupling materials and the acrylic itself. The other possibility is that having a high temperature outflow with a colder temperature in flow so close together maybe part of thestory
my bad... I Taught chemistry. I earned graduate degrees in chemistry, physics, and teaching... 🤷♂️ Did I mention thermal expansion, a physics And chemistry concept 🤔
I also found unnecessary to claim your education when it is a normal thing people in this channel are familiar with, no one is asking a professional opinion and you can wonder about such thing as a cook. Unlike the other guy, I'm not criticizing you per se, but why did you thought it added anything? Don't fall into unnecessary internet BS of people saying stuff like that to gain credibility (even if it is true) and be conscious of why you are saying something or it just adds nothing and detracts. On the acrylic thing. Maybe, but it is unlikely it plays a big role because the cracks are around the fitting instead of anywhere within the enclosure. Maybe impurities in the fabrication process come into play + pressure + contact with other material + thermal movement but there is really no need to delve too much since we know the water cooling industry is full of cut corners and prices that don't correlate to quality or processes since it preys on looks, enthusiasms and minimal gains so many people just are on a never ending upgrade cycle to the greatest and latest to actually complain about this type of problem. Set and forget; set, use and move on.
@@Raizan-IO The thing you call "unnecessary Internet BS" is what we're told to do any time we write an academic paper. Establish credibility. It's habit. It's not unnecessary and I think you dislike it because you have some self conscious complex about your education level or which degree you went for as opposed to another.
I mean... water and electricity, it should just be common sense to turn it off... even if you don't know about the CPU/GPU probably running hot ...or the pump running dry being very bad things.
@@agentcrm I mean, leaving a PC running isn't really a bad thing, considering that the bulk of voltage shocks to various chips (including CPU) that can fry said chips typically occurs during the power up phase. I've had a system or two that were working just fine before being turned off, only for them to refuse to ever turn back on, one of which was back in late-2004; An Athlon XP system that I was using for course work at CIT (Canberra Institute of Tech) was working before I packed it up and took it on a 300km drive home after finished the course, only for the system to refuse to power back up once at the new location. At that same home I had a bunch of older desktops going back to 486DX's on BabyAT boards that worked just fine after that same 300km trip just 10-11 months prior, only that Athlon XP system seemed to have died between the final powering off in Canberra and trying to boot it up at home after the trip.
@@agentcrm Common sense cannot be taught. You either have it or you don't. When it comes to kids tho, they don't have enough life experience or knowledge to utilize their common sense, even if they have it. They simply don't know yet.
I used to work as a security tech and a client was having issues with their cameras being "laggy". Client owned a storage facility that was on their property across from their house. PC for the cams was in the house. PC was in the kitchen...... on the floor.... by the door that led outside to the dirt pile that was their back yard..... And they had 2 dogs. I have never seen such a neglected PC in my life so I took it back to my shop and spent an entire day cleaning it. To say my allergies were not happy is an understatement. Brought the PC back and hooked it up. Lo and behold, no laggy cameras. Told them some basic things they need to do to clean it and to please move it off the floor and away from the door, but I'm sure nothing was done. In their defense, they were both easily 80 years old and I'm surprised they even knew how to work the PC at all but still, my heart hurt for that lil PC lol
Go to a Metal working shop where there a old PC being used to run the just as old if not older CNC machines. Oily metal filings everywhere, permanent grease stains on the keyboard, and because of the cost of replacing the CNC machines are too high you got to repair this aging way out of date PC.
The webbing on acrylic blocks (Especially thicker ones) is due to the stress of material when opposite ends have different heat cycles. (Inside of the block will have warm fluid, whilst cold air is being pushed over the outside. This temperature difference will eventually cause micro cracks. On your block however, its 99% sure also because of over tightening of the fittings alongside what I previously stated (It basically looks way worse)
@@conda2008 Jay's own words in the video in regards to the cracks in the acrylic "It tends to be something that happens to acrylic over time, haven't really figured out why"
@@UnknownEntity420 There's no sensible temp difference: it's a continuous flow, so water doesn't stay inside the WB to absorb heat and then exit allowing colder water to enter. (edit later) Heat cycles and different thermal expansion, on the other hand, could be a possible cause; but only with the help of over torque. EDIT: I read wrong: OP was talking about temp difference between inside and OUTSIDE of the loop, not inside the loop, so yeah: could be that as well.
2:20 "we have dogs... they have a front bonus room.. converted to their computer room.. they love to shut the door.. because we yell.. shut the door.. because they loud.. when gaming" This whole part made me laugh. wow, they some cool dogs if they shut the door when told and play games on pc's lol
Granted, you got a video out of it, but your kids totally played you on this one. Instead of cleaning it themselves, they got you to do it for them xD.
Omg thanks Jay you helped fix an issue I was having with audio on my PC for a couple months… The audio, regardless of output, would randomly cut out for a split second like it lost power. I tried a bunch of things to fix this but after this video and someone else online talking about cleaning their laptop fixing an audio stutter issue, I checked inside my case and it was a little dustier than expected. It’s watercooled and I’ve only spent a little time cleaning the glass in the last year since building it. Once I cleaned out the thin layer of dust from basically everywhere inside of it yesterday the issue has gone away! It was happening basically every hour or less and it’s gone now.
One thing I learned from this video is that I have been cleaning my PC in a safe and effective manner. Every Spring and Autumn I take my system outside and use some compressed air to clean out the chassis, filters, etc. Doing this outside means that I can do a really thorough cleaning without sending dust and cat dander all over the house. Let nature recycle that stuff.
@@Thurgosh_OG Because my window is in the side of the house that tends to have the wind current from outside pushing against it. This means that it's impossible to throw dust outside without immediately having some of it coming back in. And since it's wind from outside, my room gets more dusty even after just 3 days, it's SO annoying. I should literally spend 2 hours in cleaning the entire room every single day and it would still feel useless. I can keep it closed but i need to change air here and there and it's still often better to have it open than the door for other reasons. I was wondering to invest in an air filter or something.
Your 15-year-old should not be calling you out on her dirty computer. She is by far old enough to clean out her own PC. Your 9-year-old on the other hand, I can give some leeway to
Pretty sure Jay does EVERYTHING about computers in this house, the question is if he maintains everything why would they even think of doing it themselves? Also he has an air compressor so this is usually a 2min job just for the dust.
To avoid cracks in acrylic watercooling stuff, i use a valve on top of the loop. It removes any difference in pressure. I was tired of everything having cracks after a few years. The highs and lows in temp where i live are very wide apart.
The tube popping out of its fitting could be due to having minimal air in the loop. Water is its densest around 1°C/34°F. When you fill your loop the water is at room temp. As you use the PC, the water will warm up a bit and expand. It may only increase its volume by 1% or so, but it’s effectively incompressible. If you don’t have any air in the loop it will definitely make room for itself somehow, whether that’s popping off a fitting or cracking acrylic somewhere. Let’s say hypothetically you try to account for a 1% expansion. If you leave an air pocket big enough for that 1%, you’ll still break something. As the air gets compressed, some small amount may end up dissolving into the water, but at relatively low pressures it’s probably a negligible amount. If you halve the volume the air takes up, you double its pressure. You’ll blow a fitting long before the water expands to take up most of that space. The other thing to keep in mind is fatigue on the acrylic. Brittle materials fatigue faster than ductile materials, and acrylic is a lot more brittle than copper. When you have these heat cycles, all of the different materials in the loop are expanding and contracting at different rates. Over time this will inevitably cause cracks in the acrylic, and the first place they would likely show up is around the fittings, regardless of whether you’ve over tightened them or not. If you’re seeing random cracks in other places, for instance the sides of tubes/reservoirs/etc, it’s probably from cycles of excess pressure inside the loop. The unfortunate part is unless you’re leaving a giant air pocket, like an entire reservoir’s worth, you’re always going to have some non-negligible change in pressure. Sorry for the long comment. Hope it helps in some way.
I’m pretty impressed by how clean my fans have stayed without a filter, general dust-offs twice a year, but it is… about time to take them off for a clean. And now I need a detailing brush. Hey random question for random answers, what do I do about an AIO that wants to squeeze its soft little tube against the RAM? Can’t change the orientation because it’s made to go one way and one way only. Next RAM will be as short as possible, but for now I’m seeing this stick and tube squishing together and I’m just waiting for one or the other to fail.
Just a suggestion for your cleaning hood idea. Check out using a big tube of water as the filter for the extracted air. It cleans air extremely well, and all you end up with ti clean is a layer of "mud" at the bottom of the water container.
10:20 Man, seeing an EVGA GPU makes me happy. My first build had one and now they don't make them anymore. I remember I had such a good experience with customer service I told myself all of my GPUs would be EVGA, too. Great video as always Jay. actually kind of funny how your kids called you out their systems haha
My great niece 20 y/o would take her car to the stealership and they would charge her for things that didn't need. Seeing as how I've been a transmission mechanic for 40 years and had all the tools she asked me to help her with her car,I told her we can do the work for a fraction of the cost BUT she will be doing ALL the work. Getting on the ground and dealing with the oil and things like that she has gotten pretty good everything. Like everyone said make your kids handle THEIR computers with your guidance.
I once had a ancient server RAID array fail due to heavy dust build up. That was right at the end of a full working day and my colleague and I then spent the next 10 hours sourcing replacement hardware and rebuilding the array to have the server back online for the users the following morning. That was over 20 years ago and my PC is still regularly cleaned for this precise reason!
Wait a second, Jay's daughter is a teenager and, based on her appearances in your videos, is quite smart. She is more than old enough to get a maintenance kit so she can do her own maintenance for Christmas for her PC (e.g. ESD mat, air blower, screwdriver set, a few brushes). Wouldn't static also be lessened by using a plugged in ESD mat on your desk too? As for the shroud, you could build a fume cabinet - basically, it's a partially sealed hood and table with an extractor fan designed to take nasty gases away from your face and is used for dealing with hazardous chemicals being mixed, like gold potassium cyanide used in the jewellery industry.
Usually I'd agree but cleaning PCs takes time and care and precision while they should probably watch and help where they can. I very much think it isn't something you should just let children at no matter how educated they may be on it.
I love how he said he was gonna vaccum it this time (which is what you should do if you don't want most of this sht in your lungs) and 5 seconds later starts spraying the dust all over the place with a brush
This could be from a bigger problem as well. I am a building performance analyst. Disconnected HVAC ducting on the supply side can lead to dust accumulation in the home. I use a manometer to balance airflow in a case. Positive pressure is key
unless you're cooling a really hot cpu. Unfortunately I really need negative pressure and as much air movement as possible to cool my 7900x, even with a top mounted 360 aio it's still too hot for my liking. I have to clean out my case evey few months and clean my front mesh panel atleast once a week. My case is a Lian Li Lancool 206 with those big ass 160mm front intake fans so they really pull in air...and dust.
@@NonLegitNation2 You might want to check if your mobo defaults to PBO on in the bios. If it blasts the cpu with power, it heats up needlessly and in some cases even slows the system down.
Back in the last century sometime, when I was fairly junior in the world of PC support and most desktops were 286s, I got a call to a printer in one of the warehouses on the site. The problem was tracked down to the elderly PC which was acting as a print server, under the table on which the printer sat. On taking the sleeve-style case off the PC, I searched for screws for the inner case, until I realised that it wasn't a case, but a solid crust of dust which had completely filled the PC and been compressed over time by the fan (just the one fan in those days) so that it was firm to the touch. After excavating the contents of the case from its dusty sarcophagus and running a vacuum cleaner over it, the PC which I had disinterred made a full recovery. It was just the dust insulating every component that led to the thing giving problems, so I just put software updates on it to the current build standard and put it right back in service. I very much doubt if I'll ever see another even nearly as bad as that one, and I've seen most of the classic smoke, vape, hair, animal and human dander contaminants. Smoking tar is the worst as everything sticks to it and it is horribly toxic.
You can get a sand blaster cabinet, just no need for the sand or gloves (unless you change them with lightweight anti-static ones, lime green with UV tints looked good and we told people they glowed because it was used to clean the reactor computers).
I was about to suggest the same thing. Could probably incorporate a shop vac/vacuum system with a hepa filter and a line from the air compressor to stay in there as well to do everything without breathing it in
for sure dust can short. i had at some point that my internet connection just disconnected and reconnected at random times. I was going nuts trying to figure out what was going on. After some time i found out i missed cleaning the internet connection part on the mainboard(i got 2 cats). When cleaned properly everything worked fine again!!. never epected that.. but yeah there you go. cheers
@@AlexGeo-e1i A 15yo isn't a little kid anymore they need to start learning responsibilities that's almost 3 years away from being an adult ,she should be cleaning her own PC not having daddy do all the work like a spoiled brat
The cracking of the acrylich might be because of the different thermal expansion coefficient between the acrylic and the metal fittings. Over time that might stress the acrylic enough to crack, same as heat cycles might.
Very nice video, we would like more of these! I have an expensive PC and for 4 years I have been taking care of the cleanliness and dust in the PC, additionally, the filters in the case help a lot. I have no filters in my apartment, so there is not much you can do except cleaning. I clean my PC myself. Maybe not with a vacuum cleaner, but with a brush and cloths and we have a clean and efficient place. A small amount of dust collects in the PC. As for the thermal pastes, I have to replace them, even though the temperatures are not high under full load. I am currently switching to a new PC. New parts, greater efficiency.Thanks and good luck with Your future PCs!
For trying to make a cleaning hood like they have for airbrushing, plastic cardboard is a great option. Super easy to work with and there are channels you can get to join them together for a relatively clean look.
Roughly 30 years ago I was working for a computer company and had to service a computer from a veterinarian's office. I have never seen such a disgustingly fifthly inside of a computer in my entire life. Took several passes to get it clean.
@@WCGwkf dude saying that a child isn’t smart enough to turn off a computer is just wrong. Not everyone who games or uses a computer for work would know that. And what kid fully pays attention to “Dad”?
the main concern about a vacuum cleaner is not the electrostatic danger, but the overvoltage due the fans spinning faster than they usually do - this induces voltage ([almost] every motor is also a generator) and depending on how lucky you are damages or destroys your system. A friend of mine destroyed his laptop because of this - So: always hold the fans and don't let them spin! edit: 15:21 mentions this, but you can clearly see the fans free spinning earlier. And this should have been said on the very beginning, and not after two thirds of the video
The thing with static shocks that seems to get minimized is that it is not always immediate, catastrophic damage. Your components will run just fine. But some trace, or pathway on a chip could have been damaged. Which causes resistance, and more heat, at the damaged spot. Which can lead to premature failure.
On your husky--there's a thing called Allerpet that we've used to reduce the allergic reaction to our pets. Wipe them down with a rag with some Allerpet on it every so often, and you can enjoy the pet without having your eyes tear up and sinuses swell shut. Helped us a lot.
The whole "don't use a vacuum, you have to blow air" doesn't make any logical sense. How does vacuuming create static and blowing not? Does the air magically know which way it's going?
I use an electric blower to blow the air and dust inside my PC case, and then have the vacuum with a brittle brush end ‘hovering’ close to suck up all the dust xD
Or they could, or he could make content. Or perhaps he enjoys it and they hate it. Or perhaps just cause they can doesn't mean they have to. They need to be able to do their own laundry, but that doesn't mean their parents can't sometimes. You must be so fun at parties.
Yep, dust is conductive. Learned that myself after my PSU made a loud "peng" almost a decade ago. Back than I was smoking heavily in that room and didnt even think about dusting of my PC internals. ^^ The nicotin-colored layer of compressed dirt opened my eyes about that topic. xD
Regarding the idea of a paint booth, I’ve used a similar system for dust extraction when cleaning avionics units. The original “booth” (they are similar to a small fume cabinet) was connected to a dedicated local exhaust ventilation (LEV) system, and the replacement was simply hooked up to an industrial hoover, the dust is loosened with soft bristle brushes and blown out using a low pressure compressed airline
On an old build, i built the pc into a desk-like armoire structure. Instead of front-fans, I actually ducted a hepa filter with a like 9" impeller into the pc "chamber", and basically that just ran full-time, whether the pc was on or not. Cleanest pc build ever.
I have a dust cover on my PC, monitor, and keyboard whenever I'm not using them. Had them for about a few years now. Everything still looks new and I only cleaned them only a few times. I highly suggest getting some.
Keep my mouse and controllers in cases for this exact reason. You'd be surprised how destructive dust can be. I also have crippling OCD though and use a lint roller on my mousepad multiple times a day
I always think about it and tried to do it once a year, but my bedroom PC is in a cubbyhole that’s a pain in the ass to disconnect all the cables and extricate, so I tend to leave it be unless I REALLY need to fix something with it. It doesn’t get super dusty inside, though, and I still clear the front mesh.
Hey Jay. Thanks for making this video. You apologised a few times for it being overly basic, but you have a lot of fans, like me, who are pretty new to the world of PC's. I built my first system a year ago and until watching this video would have worried about unplugging the GPU or unscrewing the AOI to check the thermal paste. As a bit of a noob, I'd worry that when I plugged it back in it might not work and I wouldn't know how to fix it. The things that are "obvious" to all you tech wizards out there are pretty confusing for us noobs. Even little things like how often to change thermal paste, how to change thermal paste, how to clean fans and how often etc. Super helpful video dude. Thanks for remembering the noobs 😂😂
on the idea of a boxfan and filter, i built a air "purifier" out of 3 home furnace filters and a home furnace blower, their are tutorials on youtube and it works REALLY GOOD in my garage. moves a ton of air and keeps me from coughing up grinding dust for days after working on something out there.
In regards to your fume hood shroud idea, it was speculated several years ago that an IT department should have something similar built into a work cart. roll the cart up to a tower that needs its routine cleaning, drop the tower onto the sunken work deck, plug the cart in and turn on the fan/vacuum/blower to suck all of the air around the work area into the cart's storage as you blow out all of the dirt and debris built up since last cleaning. always liked the idea but never got a job remotely connected to IT so i never designed/built one myself.
I keep my rigs pristine- we have 2 Dogs and..... 8 Cats. Blowing works best but the key to not blowing it all over the place: vaccum first to get the obvious stuff, then use the blower to get into all the nooks. I use a keyboard vacuum and a blower that looks almost identical- those little hand blowers are crazy awesome- no need for duster again!
Always wondered about hardline tubing and vibrations. I can only guess that the constant vibration from the pump and fans over time can wiggle the pipes out of their fittings. I've seen screws unscrew themselves just by being driven around in a car.
7:40: Not an immediate failure, but it will cause latent failures. Overtime, the surfaces hit by ESD will wear out, similar to improperly broken-in engines with one spot that has more wear than another. Latent ESD failures are undetectable, without using a high power microscope. These failures will happen years from now.
7:41 yep I only use a vacuum when cleaning out my system because I don't want to be blowing dust around my small room, and my PC is right next to my shoe rack which has expensive shoes that i don't want covered in dust. I have NEVER used any type of special anti-static vac. i just use a regular vacuum cleaner with a regular hose and brush attachment and I've never experienced any issues. The only time I've ever had an issue weirdly, was when i had a air purifier next to my system with the ionizer setting on, I would get random reboots. I moved the air purifier across the room away from system and it now works fine.
Jay I have a tube amplifier (dynaco ST-70) with a retrofitted rectifier and driver board AIO device that bring it up to modern tube amp standards. It still has some really high voltages in it though, as does any tube amp (between 42 and 475vAC), and so if I don't dust it often enough it can short out in certain spots, like around the leads to the tubes, as cat and dog hair builds up on it over time. I just dusted it a few days ago because when I turned it on the right channel was getting 60hz resonance hum and crackling really bad, as if the tubes were going bad. I had ordered new tubes and everything before I realized it was really dirty, so I dusted it out hoping it might fix it, and lo and behold it was fine after that. This isn't the first time it's happened either. I have a cage cover that came with the amp which I could put on over the top to protect it, but then it doesn't get as much airflow over the rectifier, and the capacitors fail faster as a result due to being sandwiched between 4 high heat sources lol. edit: also i cleaned my pc while watching this, I have a datavac blower duster with a concentrator nozzle that works wonders for this kind of thing. Basically a leaf blower without the long extension tube on the end lmao, well worth the money I spent on it. Probably cost about the same as the one you use too, and its still available new. Also they're made in the USA if that matters to you.
I use all my filters, run a hepa filter, dehumidifier blah blah, and I still find a whole cats weight worth of cat hair in my rad every year no matter what I do. That's with one cat. I have to wash the fins inside and out every year lol.
I just had to do this, over this past weekend. I bought a 5 pack of arctic F12s, as my older Fractal 140mm fans were starting to make bearing noise. When opening up my case, I had a lot of dust to clean up, even with filters. So pulled the filters out, cleaned out my case and my parts, washed my filters, and while they were drying, I changed the fans over. Luckily my Fractal case has a dedicated fan board with standard 3 pin connectors. Now my pc is whisper quiet, and running nice and cool again, as the dust clogged filters were driving up my cpu temps.
I didn't touch my fluid in 5 years and I could have gone longer but the 3770k the loop was attached to kicked it last year. It was the EK premix, one of the many reasons I'm sad to see EK "Harry Kerry" itself.
Dust removal environment: Very large 3D Printer enclosure plus at least 1hp/500+ cfm dust collector. If you modulate the intake path, it will create a very efficient low pressure interior (the interior walls will slightly deform inwards) an you will hurt for nothing on controlling where that dust goes. Should you want to stand in it to do chaser work, increase your intake route or invest in a large grow tent for plants. They can get as large as a closet. While they aren't super cosmetic, I use carbon scrubber filters on my workstation PCs for managing dust (as my big one is out in my workshop sharing space with a CNC), cut to size per installation. Change it out when you notice temps increase over observed normal. It's cheap, porous fabric-adjacent and cuts with regular utility scissors.
I built my desktop back in Mai 2018, only thing i've done is clean the filter every 1-2 months. From time to time i'll open the panel and remove the layer of dust on the back plate from my GPU. Yes it's a little dusty but the motherboard is surprisingly clean
ESD is a genuine threat. I once touched an RJ45 wall jack, had an ESD (big enough to hurt), and it traveled about 100' to the patch panel and then to the switch where it fried the connected switch port.
i usually change thermal paste on my cpu and gpu every 4 to 6 months that's just me though. yeah those little dusters are a big help too for getting into little crevices and pcie lanes and ram slots. good vid man i thought of making a filter system for when i clean pc's too lol!
When i worked in a computershop about 16 years ago and people came in with their old towers like.. it's not working, you'd open it up and there would be an entire animal on the inside 😂😂... dead bugs, spiders and everything hahaha. We'd blow it out with the compressor outside by default, if you stick a finger in the fan before you blow you can stop the fan from spinning, so no issues.
I'd bring it outside with a compressor and let it blow out there. you can even intermittently dust yourself off with the compressor should you feel the allergy effects setting in. No cleanup that way either, unless the dust has the 'moisture' or 'greasy' characteristics. Cool video!
Another maintenance thing computer people fail to do is back their files up AND routinely test those backups. I too am guilty of not routinely get rid of the dust. As for our HVAC system, we never have to remember to change the filter as the thermostats automatically pop up a warning that it's time to change the filter.
Beautiful tubing. That said, the backing off issue is exactly why I switched back to the non-rigid tubing and barbed fittings. Haven't had a single leak since.
De-dusting is easy. Lug the case outside and hit it with a leaf blower on low speed. Easy peasy. Just be sure to stand upwind to avoid the dust cloud. Hardest part is the deadlift of 40 lbs of assorted radiators, waterblocks, pumps-reservoirs and other PC parts.
I do a dust management every month, I use a 2" paintbrush and a vacuum, and every 3 months a deep clean f the air cooler and fans. we have no cats or dogs and clean regular like yet it is always dusty. I suspect cheap paint as well breaks down over time.
Jay.. wondering if Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut pads work well on direct die cooling applications?.. For laptops / mini-PCs? I'm using a low viscosity TIM for my mini-PC and over-time it'll pump out causing dry spots and the CPU temps to rise.. no matter what I try it always pumps out.. maybe a graphene pad would be the way to go?!
What is an average life span of thermal paste? I am using a Intel i9-13900k CPU and a Corsair H150i AIO with a 360mm rad. However, I purchased this AIO slightly used, from an eBay seller. The seller sent a bunch of mounting hardware with it, but didn't actually include the correct brackets for my MOBO/CPU. I adapted some brackets that came with it, by sanding down the brackets to fit into the slots in the AIO pump. The way I had to mount the rad, the liquid tubes are under a lot of strain to get around the GPU, which is Gigabyte's version of the Nvidia RTX-3090 Xtreme.
have you tried the air intake and exhaust custom 3d print method, where it kinda works like on a car engine? You funnel cold air directly with "tubes" to the radiator, without it aver "touching" the other air in the case, that has been warmed by the gpu for example?
i run a positive pressure rig and i have dust inside. Filters are pretty much useless if the dust particle is alligned just right it will pass trough. most dust are cloth fibers so long and thin. i gave up. im going to remove the fine filter and get 50% more airflow. And my 9900k runs since launch with the same paste (kryonaut) and temps are still the same.
Kid's computers. Teach the kids to blow out their systems regularly. At least remove the grills and blow them out. You can help them take their rigs outside for full-on blowing out. For my main rig, it's heavy, so I bought a small furniture dolly. Put the rig on the dolly and wheel it outside to blow with my heavy duty AC blower. Yea for fan blade goop I use a paint brush before blowing it out just to loosen the crud. That AC blower is worth it's weight in gold but the rig gotta be outside LOL. Make a schedule with the kids, like every 4 weeks or every 6 weeks, do a blow-out weekend. And don't forget to vacuum/blow out the keyboards. They can get grungy. Remove the keycaps and disinfect them too.
I use a trick for keeping several things that need attention the attention they need. I use the time change days to be the trigger that sets off a bunch of making sure that everything gets the treatments they need to keep going. Loads to do but I know that everything needing maintenance gets it.
which reminds me, I have to re apply the CPU thermal paste. I tend to dust off the fans once a month but I haven't done a full clean in a while. I don't have much space so it's always a bit of a hassle to make space and start taking stuff off.
friends always bring me their pcs to install when they do an upgrade, etc... I spend more time cleaning them than installing the new hardware :D "man, those cables I had laying in the middle must had restrict airflow, my pc now runs 5c cooler" "nope, that was mostly the 1cm of dust on the fans" 😂😂
I did scroll down a few comments to see if it was mentioned but I had a thought on somewhere to clean PC's. How about something like a sandblasting/shotblasting cabinet type setup... without the media to blast stuff it could just be used with compressed air. It'd be sealed off and can have dust extraction rigged up I believe. Nice viewing window, and the in built gloves mean you dont have to touch the grot with bare hands 😅
5:30 should also be doing this cleaning outside 😂 EDIT: 7:20 YaY! 8:06 nooo go outside!!! 10:01 do that please do that have a fan at the beginning of the tube thats forcing air down the tube towards the vacuum at the end, this will help with the suction and pull the dusty air 15:09 this part should have been first for both cases 😂
I use a few brushes that I bought at Lowes for wood working. They work great for cleaning fans and hard to reach places in the case. As far as nasty looking cases my uncles computer after a year looked 10 times worse that Jays oldest daughters' computer. When I clean his computer, I rip everything out deep clean the whole system then reassemble it. I've got one of those Data vac blowers to help.
@JayzTwoCents or ANYONE. Why would my water coolant change from clear to a yellow tint in just a few months? I've always used PrimoChill Ice Low-Conductive fluid. The only change I've made is tubing. I went from Thermaltake PETG tubing to Bykski Frosted PMMA hard tubing. I've only had this new build for 6 months and this will be the 2nd time I've needed to flush and replace the fluid. My environment is fairly clear, I have no pets and the dust filters aren't even dirty.
I deep clean my pc once a month and I do light cleans once a week or once every 2 weeks. As a matter of fact I will do a light clean now clean the glass and use a blower for the pc parts. I also have an air purifier and fan I will clean now.
i think you should tie down all the fans before using compressed air or a vacuum on your PC. my last two GPU's started blue screening a week or two after i used compressed air to clean my PC. the first time around i had no idea what happened, after the 2nd time i'm pretty sure the motors in the fans generated enough current to fry something, and with it not being connected to ground the current had nowhere safe to go.
Wait a minute Jay. Those are not "your computers" those are "their" computers. You should teach and make them clean them like a good dad. 😉
All I could think watching this. Specially the 15yo. Wtf!
I was also thinking "why do YOU have to clean their computers?" haha Its their PCs so its their job to maintain them. Though I get he gets to make this video because hes doing it.
Amen❤
FACTS
Yeah this is absolutely not your job
Former chemistry teacher here. I wonder if the cracking acrylic has to do with possibly thermal expansion and contraction being different between the metal coupling materials and the acrylic itself. The other possibility is that having a high temperature outflow with a colder temperature in flow so close together maybe part of thestory
Chemistry has nothing to do in here. It's physics.
my bad... I Taught chemistry. I earned graduate degrees in chemistry, physics, and teaching... 🤷♂️
Did I mention thermal expansion, a physics And chemistry concept 🤔
I also found unnecessary to claim your education when it is a normal thing people in this channel are familiar with, no one is asking a professional opinion and you can wonder about such thing as a cook. Unlike the other guy, I'm not criticizing you per se, but why did you thought it added anything? Don't fall into unnecessary internet BS of people saying stuff like that to gain credibility (even if it is true) and be conscious of why you are saying something or it just adds nothing and detracts.
On the acrylic thing. Maybe, but it is unlikely it plays a big role because the cracks are around the fitting instead of anywhere within the enclosure. Maybe impurities in the fabrication process come into play + pressure + contact with other material + thermal movement but there is really no need to delve too much since we know the water cooling industry is full of cut corners and prices that don't correlate to quality or processes since it preys on looks, enthusiasms and minimal gains so many people just are on a never ending upgrade cycle to the greatest and latest to actually complain about this type of problem. Set and forget; set, use and move on.
Jesus, leave the teacher alone. He was only pointing wisdom.
@@Raizan-IO The thing you call "unnecessary Internet BS" is what we're told to do any time we write an academic paper. Establish credibility. It's habit. It's not unnecessary and I think you dislike it because you have some self conscious complex about your education level or which degree you went for as opposed to another.
"Did you turn it off?!"
"Nyoo--"
"Go turn it off!"
Is such a kid move man 😂
Jay doesn't turn his PC's off either. So that's where they've learnt it from.
I mean... water and electricity, it should just be common sense to turn it off... even if you don't know about the CPU/GPU probably running hot ...or the pump running dry being very bad things.
@@ZeroB4NG That "common sense" has to be taught at some stage....
@@agentcrm I mean, leaving a PC running isn't really a bad thing, considering that the bulk of voltage shocks to various chips (including CPU) that can fry said chips typically occurs during the power up phase.
I've had a system or two that were working just fine before being turned off, only for them to refuse to ever turn back on, one of which was back in late-2004;
An Athlon XP system that I was using for course work at CIT (Canberra Institute of Tech) was working before I packed it up and took it on a 300km drive home after finished the course, only for the system to refuse to power back up once at the new location.
At that same home I had a bunch of older desktops going back to 486DX's on BabyAT boards that worked just fine after that same 300km trip just 10-11 months prior, only that Athlon XP system seemed to have died between the final powering off in Canberra and trying to boot it up at home after the trip.
@@agentcrm Common sense cannot be taught. You either have it or you don't. When it comes to kids tho, they don't have enough life experience or knowledge to utilize their common sense, even if they have it. They simply don't know yet.
I used to work as a security tech and a client was having issues with their cameras being "laggy". Client owned a storage facility that was on their property across from their house. PC for the cams was in the house. PC was in the kitchen...... on the floor.... by the door that led outside to the dirt pile that was their back yard..... And they had 2 dogs. I have never seen such a neglected PC in my life so I took it back to my shop and spent an entire day cleaning it. To say my allergies were not happy is an understatement.
Brought the PC back and hooked it up. Lo and behold, no laggy cameras. Told them some basic things they need to do to clean it and to please move it off the floor and away from the door, but I'm sure nothing was done. In their defense, they were both easily 80 years old and I'm surprised they even knew how to work the PC at all but still, my heart hurt for that lil PC lol
Go to a Metal working shop where there a old PC being used to run the just as old if not older CNC machines.
Oily metal filings everywhere, permanent grease stains on the keyboard, and because of the cost of replacing the CNC machines are too high you got to repair this aging way out of date PC.
The webbing on acrylic blocks (Especially thicker ones) is due to the stress of material when opposite ends have different heat cycles. (Inside of the block will have warm fluid, whilst cold air is being pushed over the outside. This temperature difference will eventually cause micro cracks.
On your block however, its 99% sure also because of over tightening of the fittings alongside what I previously stated (It basically looks way worse)
u do know that he's been doing water cooling for 20+ years im pretty sure he knows about the blocks cracking
i knew their crack but oh well, guess i stuck witj acetal 😮😅
@@conda2008 Jay's own words in the video in regards to the cracks in the acrylic "It tends to be something that happens to acrylic over time, haven't really figured out why"
Being a mechanic my first thought was also over tightening.
Temp difference would make sense too
@@UnknownEntity420 There's no sensible temp difference: it's a continuous flow, so water doesn't stay inside the WB to absorb heat and then exit allowing colder water to enter. (edit later)
Heat cycles and different thermal expansion, on the other hand, could be a possible cause; but only with the help of over torque.
EDIT: I read wrong: OP was talking about temp difference between inside and OUTSIDE of the loop, not inside the loop, so yeah: could be that as well.
2:20 "we have dogs... they have a front bonus room.. converted to their computer room.. they love to shut the door.. because we yell.. shut the door.. because they loud.. when gaming"
This whole part made me laugh. wow, they some cool dogs if they shut the door when told and play games on pc's lol
😂 We all know what he means, but, it's OK, let's have some fun 🐕 , I like having fun ;-)
That explains why this one guy barks every time he kills me in Fortnite!
Lol, noticed that too
@@comictrio you can't mean me, I don't play any shooters ;-)
I think he was talking about the kids, not the dogs 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
I'm joking
Granted, you got a video out of it, but your kids totally played you on this one. Instead of cleaning it themselves, they got you to do it for them xD.
Pops is going to send them the video and what to do. Then kiddos will see the performance gain. Yay.
dad made some money off cleaning dust,
@@AlT-vt3gb True lol.
@@AlT-vt3gba s*** ton of money at that😂
No, they played us. We just watched nothing
Omg thanks Jay you helped fix an issue I was having with audio on my PC for a couple months…
The audio, regardless of output, would randomly cut out for a split second like it lost power. I tried a bunch of things to fix this but after this video and someone else online talking about cleaning their laptop fixing an audio stutter issue, I checked inside my case and it was a little dustier than expected. It’s watercooled and I’ve only spent a little time cleaning the glass in the last year since building it.
Once I cleaned out the thin layer of dust from basically everywhere inside of it yesterday the issue has gone away!
It was happening basically every hour or less and it’s gone now.
One thing I learned from this video is that I have been cleaning my PC in a safe and effective manner. Every Spring and Autumn I take my system outside and use some compressed air to clean out the chassis, filters, etc. Doing this outside means that I can do a really thorough cleaning without sending dust and cat dander all over the house. Let nature recycle that stuff.
That's I handle my own and most of my family's machines. On the plus side, it's almost always windy here so nature does half the work :P
@@bathers107 Yeah but in my case the wind outside brings all the dust i throw away back into my room, so this nature thing is a B to me 😂
What maniac cleans it inside? That's like taking the trash bags out of the can and leaving it on the floor.
@@sasuke65743 How does the wind bring the dust into your room? Can't you close the door/windows to your room to stop that?
@@Thurgosh_OG Because my window is in the side of the house that tends to have the wind current from outside pushing against it. This means that it's impossible to throw dust outside without immediately having some of it coming back in. And since it's wind from outside, my room gets more dusty even after just 3 days, it's SO annoying. I should literally spend 2 hours in cleaning the entire room every single day and it would still feel useless.
I can keep it closed but i need to change air here and there and it's still often better to have it open than the door for other reasons.
I was wondering to invest in an air filter or something.
Your 15-year-old should not be calling you out on her dirty computer. She is by far old enough to clean out her own PC. Your 9-year-old on the other hand, I can give some leeway to
Agreed. I was cleaning my own PC by age 12 or 13 already. Fifteen year old doesn't need mommy or daddy to clean the blasted pc, do it yourself.
I see you don’t have a 15 year old daughter.
you don't know her reasoning for wanting him to clean out the pc, for all we know she might be afraid of breaking something!
Pretty sure Jay does EVERYTHING about computers in this house, the question is if he maintains everything why would they even think of doing it themselves? Also he has an air compressor so this is usually a 2min job just for the dust.
Or maybe Jay thought it was a good excuse to make money by doing a video?
To avoid cracks in acrylic watercooling stuff, i use a valve on top of the loop. It removes any difference in pressure. I was tired of everything having cracks after a few years. The highs and lows in temp where i live are very wide apart.
9 year old with a 3080 complaining about a dirty PC?
Lol. That's actually pretty funny.
A 3050 is a budget card?
@@insignia406
I know. And it's amusing for a 9 year old child to complain about her 3080 - while I'm cleaning my 1060.
ZERO malice. It's just funny.
Well she doesn't have the skills and tech knowledge yet to do it without worrying they'll break it, which is the last thing you want to do as a kid.
They're good kids, Brent.
@@Lil-watermelon-cat who said anything about a 3050?
Just 3080s! How dare you deprive your progeny of VRAM in that manner!
The tube popping out of its fitting could be due to having minimal air in the loop. Water is its densest around 1°C/34°F. When you fill your loop the water is at room temp. As you use the PC, the water will warm up a bit and expand. It may only increase its volume by 1% or so, but it’s effectively incompressible. If you don’t have any air in the loop it will definitely make room for itself somehow, whether that’s popping off a fitting or cracking acrylic somewhere. Let’s say hypothetically you try to account for a 1% expansion. If you leave an air pocket big enough for that 1%, you’ll still break something. As the air gets compressed, some small amount may end up dissolving into the water, but at relatively low pressures it’s probably a negligible amount. If you halve the volume the air takes up, you double its pressure. You’ll blow a fitting long before the water expands to take up most of that space. The other thing to keep in mind is fatigue on the acrylic. Brittle materials fatigue faster than ductile materials, and acrylic is a lot more brittle than copper. When you have these heat cycles, all of the different materials in the loop are expanding and contracting at different rates. Over time this will inevitably cause cracks in the acrylic, and the first place they would likely show up is around the fittings, regardless of whether you’ve over tightened them or not. If you’re seeing random cracks in other places, for instance the sides of tubes/reservoirs/etc, it’s probably from cycles of excess pressure inside the loop. The unfortunate part is unless you’re leaving a giant air pocket, like an entire reservoir’s worth, you’re always going to have some non-negligible change in pressure. Sorry for the long comment. Hope it helps in some way.
This!
Exactly!
agreed !!
I’m pretty impressed by how clean my fans have stayed without a filter, general dust-offs twice a year, but it is… about time to take them off for a clean. And now I need a detailing brush. Hey random question for random answers, what do I do about an AIO that wants to squeeze its soft little tube against the RAM? Can’t change the orientation because it’s made to go one way and one way only. Next RAM will be as short as possible, but for now I’m seeing this stick and tube squishing together and I’m just waiting for one or the other to fail.
Just a suggestion for your cleaning hood idea. Check out using a big tube of water as the filter for the extracted air.
It cleans air extremely well, and all you end up with ti clean is a layer of "mud" at the bottom of the water container.
I’ve never had spider cracks in acrylic. The only thing that comes to mind is in some non pc related applications when I over torqued screws.
I was thinking the same thing, let the O Rings do their job. No need to he-man the fittings on.
10:20 Man, seeing an EVGA GPU makes me happy. My first build had one and now they don't make them anymore. I remember I had such a good experience with customer service I told myself all of my GPUs would be EVGA, too.
Great video as always Jay. actually kind of funny how your kids called you out their systems haha
Those cracks look almost like fatigue cracking in metals.
The tubes and fittings moving even just slightly but repeatedly could be the cause.
My great niece 20 y/o would take her car to the stealership and they would charge her for things that didn't need. Seeing as how I've been a transmission mechanic for 40 years and had all the tools she asked me to help her with her car,I told her we can do the work for a fraction of the cost BUT she will be doing ALL the work. Getting on the ground and dealing with the oil and things like that she has gotten pretty good everything. Like everyone said make your kids handle THEIR computers with your guidance.
Take it outside to clean it kids.
I once had a ancient server RAID array fail due to heavy dust build up. That was right at the end of a full working day and my colleague and I then spent the next 10 hours sourcing replacement hardware and rebuilding the array to have the server back online for the users the following morning. That was over 20 years ago and my PC is still regularly cleaned for this precise reason!
Wait a second, Jay's daughter is a teenager and, based on her appearances in your videos, is quite smart. She is more than old enough to get a maintenance kit so she can do her own maintenance for Christmas for her PC (e.g. ESD mat, air blower, screwdriver set, a few brushes).
Wouldn't static also be lessened by using a plugged in ESD mat on your desk too?
As for the shroud, you could build a fume cabinet - basically, it's a partially sealed hood and table with an extractor fan designed to take nasty gases away from your face and is used for dealing with hazardous chemicals being mixed, like gold potassium cyanide used in the jewellery industry.
Seems like its a good time to teach them some responsibility and self resilience.
Usually I'd agree but cleaning PCs takes time and care and precision while they should probably watch and help where they can. I very much think it isn't something you should just let children at no matter how educated they may be on it.
Self reliance?
Imma make the youngling clean her PC today. Good advice 🤜🤛🏾
@@corrpendragon
self-re·li·ance
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noun: self-reliance
reliance on one's own powers and resources rather than those of others.
@@SeanMain4567 Its not rocket science, I think your making it into more than it is, also his kids are 15 and 9.
He got his kids to build PCs/
You definitely need a room air purifier. Also one of those dog vacuum brushes. HOLY SH*^
That gpu upgrade comment, what a good dad. When I was 15 I had to work during the summer to buy my own parts
I love how he said he was gonna vaccum it this time (which is what you should do if you don't want most of this sht in your lungs) and 5 seconds later starts spraying the dust all over the place with a brush
This could be from a bigger problem as well. I am a building performance analyst. Disconnected HVAC ducting on the supply side can lead to dust accumulation in the home. I use a manometer to balance airflow in a case. Positive pressure is key
unless you're cooling a really hot cpu. Unfortunately I really need negative pressure and as much air movement as possible to cool my 7900x, even with a top mounted 360 aio it's still too hot for my liking. I have to clean out my case evey few months and clean my front mesh panel atleast once a week. My case is a Lian Li Lancool 206 with those big ass 160mm front intake fans so they really pull in air...and dust.
@@NonLegitNation2 You might want to check if your mobo defaults to PBO on in the bios. If it blasts the cpu with power, it heats up needlessly and in some cases even slows the system down.
I'm an Old man and I don't have a 3080! 🤣🤣🤣
Back in the last century sometime, when I was fairly junior in the world of PC support and most desktops were 286s, I got a call to a printer in one of the warehouses on the site. The problem was tracked down to the elderly PC which was acting as a print server, under the table on which the printer sat. On taking the sleeve-style case off the PC, I searched for screws for the inner case, until I realised that it wasn't a case, but a solid crust of dust which had completely filled the PC and been compressed over time by the fan (just the one fan in those days) so that it was firm to the touch. After excavating the contents of the case from its dusty sarcophagus and running a vacuum cleaner over it, the PC which I had disinterred made a full recovery. It was just the dust insulating every component that led to the thing giving problems, so I just put software updates on it to the current build standard and put it right back in service. I very much doubt if I'll ever see another even nearly as bad as that one, and I've seen most of the classic smoke, vape, hair, animal and human dander contaminants. Smoking tar is the worst as everything sticks to it and it is horribly toxic.
You can get a sand blaster cabinet, just no need for the sand or gloves (unless you change them with lightweight anti-static ones, lime green with UV tints looked good and we told people they glowed because it was used to clean the reactor computers).
I was about to suggest the same thing. Could probably incorporate a shop vac/vacuum system with a hepa filter and a line from the air compressor to stay in there as well to do everything without breathing it in
You want something more like a fume hood - like a chemistry lab.
Sandblasting cabinets are NOT great to work in - especially with delicate items.
for sure dust can short. i had at some point that my internet connection just disconnected and reconnected at random times. I was going nuts trying to figure out what was going on. After some time i found out i missed cleaning the internet connection part on the mainboard(i got 2 cats). When cleaned properly everything worked fine again!!. never epected that.. but yeah there you go. cheers
They should be cleaning their own computers out.
You wood let your kid clean a costome water pc ?
@@AlexGeo-e1i It's called "teaching good habits". They're more than old enough to know how to do it by now.
would* not "wood".
@@dangerwr men come on he said his kids are like 9 and 15 you rly gonna told your own to clean a pc that expensive and fragile
@@AlexGeo-e1i I would TEACH them how to instead of doing it for them.
@@AlexGeo-e1i A 15yo isn't a little kid anymore they need to start learning responsibilities that's almost 3 years away from being an adult ,she should be cleaning her own PC not having daddy do all the work like a spoiled brat
The cracking of the acrylich might be because of the different thermal expansion coefficient between the acrylic and the metal fittings. Over time that might stress the acrylic enough to crack, same as heat cycles might.
We need a montage of the little ones running around the new office.
Very nice video, we would like more of these! I have an expensive PC and for 4 years I have been taking care of the cleanliness and dust in the PC, additionally, the filters in the case help a lot. I have no filters in my apartment, so there is not much you can do except cleaning. I clean my PC myself. Maybe not with a vacuum cleaner, but with a brush and cloths and we have a clean and efficient place. A small amount of dust collects in the PC. As for the thermal pastes, I have to replace them, even though the temperatures are not high under full load. I am currently switching to a new PC. New parts, greater efficiency.Thanks and good luck with Your future PCs!
Do as i say not as i do.
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On second thought...
For trying to make a cleaning hood like they have for airbrushing, plastic cardboard is a great option. Super easy to work with and there are channels you can get to join them together for a relatively clean look.
Hey Jay, I'll take the trash out, wash your cars, do the dishes and mow the lawn if you have one...for a 4090 lol...
Roughly 30 years ago I was working for a computer company and had to service a computer from a veterinarian's office. I have never seen such a disgustingly fifthly inside of a computer in my entire life. Took several passes to get it clean.
Why didn’t you have your kids learn how to clean their computers?
This was my first thought as well. Like they are using em, they can help clean em. It's good for em.
seems she wasn't smart enough to turn off the pc when the coolant started draining out, would probably break something if they tried themselves
Two words.. content. 😅
@@WCGwkf dude saying that a child isn’t smart enough to turn off a computer is just wrong. Not everyone who games or uses a computer for work would know that. And what kid fully pays attention to “Dad”?
the main concern about a vacuum cleaner is not the electrostatic danger, but the overvoltage due the fans spinning faster than they usually do - this induces voltage ([almost] every motor is also a generator) and depending on how lucky you are damages or destroys your system.
A friend of mine destroyed his laptop because of this - So: always hold the fans and don't let them spin!
edit: 15:21 mentions this, but you can clearly see the fans free spinning earlier. And this should have been said on the very beginning, and not after two thirds of the video
Time to call the Gooch Collector.
Almost need Super Gooch Collector for some of that
The thing with static shocks that seems to get minimized is that it is not always immediate, catastrophic damage. Your components will run just fine. But some trace, or pathway on a chip could have been damaged. Which causes resistance, and more heat, at the damaged spot. Which can lead to premature failure.
I clean my PC every 2 weeks to keept it dust free
On your husky--there's a thing called Allerpet that we've used to reduce the allergic reaction to our pets. Wipe them down with a rag with some Allerpet on it every so often, and you can enjoy the pet without having your eyes tear up and sinuses swell shut. Helped us a lot.
The whole "don't use a vacuum, you have to blow air" doesn't make any logical sense. How does vacuuming create static and blowing not? Does the air magically know which way it's going?
I use both simultaneously 😁
Blowing air does produce static. It's why you use compressed air or a electric blower that filters out all the particulates.
My assumption is that if you have a vacuum end with fibers, brushing the fibers against stuff may create static
I use an electric blower to blow the air and dust inside my PC case, and then have the vacuum with a brittle brush end ‘hovering’ close to suck up all the dust xD
no worries i have been cleaning my pcs for years with vacuum cleaners, never had any static kill anything
My CPU started spiking up into the 90C's because of my fan filter being stuffy. After cleaning my CPU dropped with over 20 degrees
The kids should be cleaning their own PCs lol. If they aren't old enough to maintain it. Then they're not old enough to have a PC
Like a jedi building their light saber.
Jay's girls are smart. They knew exactly what they were doing!
Or they could, or he could make content. Or perhaps he enjoys it and they hate it. Or perhaps just cause they can doesn't mean they have to. They need to be able to do their own laundry, but that doesn't mean their parents can't sometimes.
You must be so fun at parties.
He can't make content with his kids, cleaning their own PCs? @@Xenoch1
You should clean the PCs then since your acting as a parent saying who should and shouldnt have a PC.
Yep, dust is conductive. Learned that myself after my PSU made a loud "peng" almost a decade ago. Back than I was smoking heavily in that room and didnt even think about dusting of my PC internals. ^^
The nicotin-colored layer of compressed dirt opened my eyes about that topic. xD
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Except for the five people before you.
Love it that Jay cleans his PC like 90% of us, vacuum cleaner style.
Regarding the idea of a paint booth, I’ve used a similar system for dust extraction when cleaning avionics units. The original “booth” (they are similar to a small fume cabinet) was connected to a dedicated local exhaust ventilation (LEV) system, and the replacement was simply hooked up to an industrial hoover, the dust is loosened with soft bristle brushes and blown out using a low pressure compressed airline
On an old build, i built the pc into a desk-like armoire structure.
Instead of front-fans, I actually ducted a hepa filter with a like 9" impeller into the pc "chamber", and basically that just ran full-time, whether the pc was on or not.
Cleanest pc build ever.
I have a dust cover on my PC, monitor, and keyboard whenever I'm not using them. Had them for about a few years now. Everything still looks new and I only cleaned them only a few times. I highly suggest getting some.
Keep my mouse and controllers in cases for this exact reason. You'd be surprised how destructive dust can be.
I also have crippling OCD though and use a lint roller on my mousepad multiple times a day
I always think about it and tried to do it once a year, but my bedroom PC is in a cubbyhole that’s a pain in the ass to disconnect all the cables and extricate, so I tend to leave it be unless I REALLY need to fix something with it. It doesn’t get super dusty inside, though, and I still clear the front mesh.
Hey Jay. Thanks for making this video. You apologised a few times for it being overly basic, but you have a lot of fans, like me, who are pretty new to the world of PC's. I built my first system a year ago and until watching this video would have worried about unplugging the GPU or unscrewing the AOI to check the thermal paste. As a bit of a noob, I'd worry that when I plugged it back in it might not work and I wouldn't know how to fix it.
The things that are "obvious" to all you tech wizards out there are pretty confusing for us noobs. Even little things like how often to change thermal paste, how to change thermal paste, how to clean fans and how often etc.
Super helpful video dude. Thanks for remembering the noobs 😂😂
on the idea of a boxfan and filter, i built a air "purifier" out of 3 home furnace filters and a home furnace blower, their are tutorials on youtube and it works REALLY GOOD in my garage. moves a ton of air and keeps me from coughing up grinding dust for days after working on something out there.
In regards to your fume hood shroud idea, it was speculated several years ago that an IT department should have something similar built into a work cart. roll the cart up to a tower that needs its routine cleaning, drop the tower onto the sunken work deck, plug the cart in and turn on the fan/vacuum/blower to suck all of the air around the work area into the cart's storage as you blow out all of the dirt and debris built up since last cleaning. always liked the idea but never got a job remotely connected to IT so i never designed/built one myself.
I keep my rigs pristine- we have 2 Dogs and..... 8 Cats. Blowing works best but the key to not blowing it all over the place: vaccum first to get the obvious stuff, then use the blower to get into all the nooks. I use a keyboard vacuum and a blower that looks almost identical- those little hand blowers are crazy awesome- no need for duster again!
Always wondered about hardline tubing and vibrations. I can only guess that the constant vibration from the pump and fans over time can wiggle the pipes out of their fittings. I've seen screws unscrew themselves just by being driven around in a car.
7:40: Not an immediate failure, but it will cause latent failures. Overtime, the surfaces hit by ESD will wear out, similar to improperly broken-in engines with one spot that has more wear than another. Latent ESD failures are undetectable, without using a high power microscope. These failures will happen years from now.
7:41 yep I only use a vacuum when cleaning out my system because I don't want to be blowing dust around my small room, and my PC is right next to my shoe rack which has expensive shoes that i don't want covered in dust. I have NEVER used any type of special anti-static vac. i just use a regular vacuum cleaner with a regular hose and brush attachment and I've never experienced any issues. The only time I've ever had an issue weirdly, was when i had a air purifier next to my system with the ionizer setting on, I would get random reboots. I moved the air purifier across the room away from system and it now works fine.
So…when is the review on that Asrock x870E Taichi board in the background???
Jay I have a tube amplifier (dynaco ST-70) with a retrofitted rectifier and driver board AIO device that bring it up to modern tube amp standards. It still has some really high voltages in it though, as does any tube amp (between 42 and 475vAC), and so if I don't dust it often enough it can short out in certain spots, like around the leads to the tubes, as cat and dog hair builds up on it over time. I just dusted it a few days ago because when I turned it on the right channel was getting 60hz resonance hum and crackling really bad, as if the tubes were going bad. I had ordered new tubes and everything before I realized it was really dirty, so I dusted it out hoping it might fix it, and lo and behold it was fine after that. This isn't the first time it's happened either. I have a cage cover that came with the amp which I could put on over the top to protect it, but then it doesn't get as much airflow over the rectifier, and the capacitors fail faster as a result due to being sandwiched between 4 high heat sources lol.
edit: also i cleaned my pc while watching this, I have a datavac blower duster with a concentrator nozzle that works wonders for this kind of thing. Basically a leaf blower without the long extension tube on the end lmao, well worth the money I spent on it. Probably cost about the same as the one you use too, and its still available new. Also they're made in the USA if that matters to you.
I use all my filters, run a hepa filter, dehumidifier blah blah, and I still find a whole cats weight worth of cat hair
in my rad every year no matter what I do. That's with one cat. I have to wash the fins inside and out every year lol.
I just had to do this, over this past weekend. I bought a 5 pack of arctic F12s, as my older Fractal 140mm fans were starting to make bearing noise. When opening up my case, I had a lot of dust to clean up, even with filters. So pulled the filters out, cleaned out my case and my parts, washed my filters, and while they were drying, I changed the fans over. Luckily my Fractal case has a dedicated fan board with standard 3 pin connectors. Now my pc is whisper quiet, and running nice and cool again, as the dust clogged filters were driving up my cpu temps.
I didn't touch my fluid in 5 years and I could have gone longer but the 3770k the loop was attached to kicked it last year. It was the EK premix, one of the many reasons I'm sad to see EK "Harry Kerry" itself.
Dust removal environment: Very large 3D Printer enclosure plus at least 1hp/500+ cfm dust collector. If you modulate the intake path, it will create a very efficient low pressure interior (the interior walls will slightly deform inwards) an you will hurt for nothing on controlling where that dust goes. Should you want to stand in it to do chaser work, increase your intake route or invest in a large grow tent for plants. They can get as large as a closet.
While they aren't super cosmetic, I use carbon scrubber filters on my workstation PCs for managing dust (as my big one is out in my workshop sharing space with a CNC), cut to size per installation. Change it out when you notice temps increase over observed normal. It's cheap, porous fabric-adjacent and cuts with regular utility scissors.
I recently bought a compuclean blower too, pretty handy (also for cleaning dust under my couch, can't reach with a vacuum)
I built my desktop back in Mai 2018, only thing i've done is clean the filter every 1-2 months. From time to time i'll open the panel and remove the layer of dust on the back plate from my GPU.
Yes it's a little dusty but the motherboard is surprisingly clean
ESD is a genuine threat. I once touched an RJ45 wall jack, had an ESD (big enough to hurt), and it traveled about 100' to the patch panel and then to the switch where it fried the connected switch port.
i usually change thermal paste on my cpu and gpu every 4 to 6 months that's just me though. yeah those little dusters are a big help too for getting into little crevices and pcie lanes and ram slots. good vid man i thought of making a filter system for when i clean pc's too lol!
When i worked in a computershop about 16 years ago and people came in with their old towers like.. it's not working, you'd open it up and there would be an entire animal on the inside 😂😂... dead bugs, spiders and everything hahaha. We'd blow it out with the compressor outside by default, if you stick a finger in the fan before you blow you can stop the fan from spinning, so no issues.
Jay, your implication that the air-flow in a computer case being laminar is hilarious... ; )
Yup as a pilot this made me laugh as well
Thats why tower dust covers are the best thing
I'd bring it outside with a compressor and let it blow out there. you can even intermittently dust yourself off with the compressor should you feel the allergy effects setting in. No cleanup that way either, unless the dust has the 'moisture' or 'greasy' characteristics. Cool video!
Another maintenance thing computer people fail to do is back their files up AND routinely test those backups. I too am guilty of not routinely get rid of the dust. As for our HVAC system, we never have to remember to change the filter as the thermostats automatically pop up a warning that it's time to change the filter.
Kerby vacumes sells a horse hair brush for vacumes that doesn't produce static
Beautiful tubing. That said, the backing off issue is exactly why I switched back to the non-rigid tubing and barbed fittings. Haven't had a single leak since.
I lost it at 18:45 , "bridged shit" I was LOL for real
De-dusting is easy. Lug the case outside and hit it with a leaf blower on low speed. Easy peasy. Just be sure to stand upwind to avoid the dust cloud. Hardest part is the deadlift of 40 lbs of assorted radiators, waterblocks, pumps-reservoirs and other PC parts.
I do a dust management every month, I use a 2" paintbrush and a vacuum, and every 3 months a deep clean f the air cooler and fans. we have no cats or dogs and clean regular like yet it is always dusty. I suspect cheap paint as well breaks down over time.
Jay.. wondering if Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut pads work well on direct die cooling applications?.. For laptops / mini-PCs? I'm using a low viscosity TIM for my mini-PC and over-time it'll pump out causing dry spots and the CPU temps to rise.. no matter what I try it always pumps out.. maybe a graphene pad would be the way to go?!
What is an average life span of thermal paste? I am using a Intel i9-13900k CPU and a Corsair H150i AIO with a 360mm rad. However, I purchased this AIO slightly used, from an eBay seller. The seller sent a bunch of mounting hardware with it, but didn't actually include the correct brackets for my MOBO/CPU. I adapted some brackets that came with it, by sanding down the brackets to fit into the slots in the AIO pump. The way I had to mount the rad, the liquid tubes are under a lot of strain to get around the GPU, which is Gigabyte's version of the Nvidia RTX-3090 Xtreme.
have you tried the air intake and exhaust custom 3d print method, where it kinda works like on a car engine? You funnel cold air directly with "tubes" to the radiator, without it aver "touching" the other air in the case, that has been warmed by the gpu for example?
i run a positive pressure rig and i have dust inside. Filters are pretty much useless if the dust particle is alligned just right it will pass trough. most dust are cloth fibers so long and thin. i gave up. im going to remove the fine filter and get 50% more airflow.
And my 9900k runs since launch with the same paste (kryonaut) and temps are still the same.
Where did you get those turntables?
Kid's computers. Teach the kids to blow out their systems regularly. At least remove the grills and blow them out. You can help them take their rigs outside for full-on blowing out. For my main rig, it's heavy, so I bought a small furniture dolly. Put the rig on the dolly and wheel it outside to blow with my heavy duty AC blower. Yea for fan blade goop I use a paint brush before blowing it out just to loosen the crud. That AC blower is worth it's weight in gold but the rig gotta be outside LOL. Make a schedule with the kids, like every 4 weeks or every 6 weeks, do a blow-out weekend. And don't forget to vacuum/blow out the keyboards. They can get grungy. Remove the keycaps and disinfect them too.
I use a trick for keeping several things that need attention the attention they need. I use the time change days to be the trigger that sets off a bunch of making sure that everything gets the treatments they need to keep going. Loads to do but I know that everything needing maintenance gets it.
which reminds me, I have to re apply the CPU thermal paste. I tend to dust off the fans once a month but I haven't done a full clean in a while. I don't have much space so it's always a bit of a hassle to make space and start taking stuff off.
friends always bring me their pcs to install when they do an upgrade, etc... I spend more time cleaning them than installing the new hardware :D
"man, those cables I had laying in the middle must had restrict airflow, my pc now runs 5c cooler"
"nope, that was mostly the 1cm of dust on the fans" 😂😂
I did scroll down a few comments to see if it was mentioned but I had a thought on somewhere to clean PC's. How about something like a sandblasting/shotblasting cabinet type setup... without the media to blast stuff it could just be used with compressed air. It'd be sealed off and can have dust extraction rigged up I believe. Nice viewing window, and the in built gloves mean you dont have to touch the grot with bare hands 😅
5:30 should also be doing this cleaning outside 😂
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7:20 YaY!
8:06 nooo go outside!!!
10:01 do that please do that have a fan at the beginning of the tube thats forcing air down the tube towards the vacuum at the end, this will help with the suction and pull the dusty air
15:09 this part should have been first for both cases 😂
I use a few brushes that I bought at Lowes for wood working. They work great for cleaning fans and hard to reach places in the case. As far as nasty looking cases my uncles computer after a year looked 10 times worse that Jays oldest daughters' computer. When I clean his computer, I rip everything out deep clean the whole system then reassemble it. I've got one of those Data vac blowers to help.
@JayzTwoCents or ANYONE. Why would my water coolant change from clear to a yellow tint in just a few months? I've always used PrimoChill Ice Low-Conductive fluid. The only change I've made is tubing. I went from Thermaltake PETG tubing to Bykski Frosted PMMA hard tubing. I've only had this new build for 6 months and this will be the 2nd time I've needed to flush and replace the fluid. My environment is fairly clear, I have no pets and the dust filters aren't even dirty.
I deep clean my pc once a month and I do light cleans once a week or once every 2 weeks. As a matter of fact I will do a light clean now clean the glass and use a blower for the pc parts. I also have an air purifier and fan I will clean now.
9:01 three hands, how handy!
😮14:22 Lazy Susan right there, spins the PC on the desk... old habits
I’m unable to clean my server, as the caked-on dust buildup on the radiators, are the only filters it has.
i think you should tie down all the fans before using compressed air or a vacuum on your PC. my last two GPU's started blue screening a week or two after i used compressed air to clean my PC. the first time around i had no idea what happened, after the 2nd time i'm pretty sure the motors in the fans generated enough current to fry something, and with it not being connected to ground the current had nowhere safe to go.