That’s strange as it’s illegal for even private persons to conduct any business with them. This would mean no RMA or warranty or anything on the products.
Not with the OEM but IBuyPower warranty on the overall system could easily replace the fan with an equivalent or better make of fan. Now, in 40+ years of computers I have owned, the total fan failures Ive had is probably close to 3... maybe 4. Realistically, if one fails I just go buy one and stick it in, not worth the headache to argue over. Nothing under 100 dollars is worth the argument with any company (and really with inflation I probably should say nothing under 400 these days). It breaks, replace it, and take the broken one, put it on an alter, add the lighter fluid... and move on with life :)
@@pederb82 Well then that just means the retailer can say sold as is, & informing the customer of the situation. Also it's a shame about Deep Cool as I've used them for years all the way back to their Logisys days for budget banger AMD builds.
Ibuypower had a contract with deepcool for the coolers and when the the restriction was filed they already had a surplus of the coolers so they’re just getting rid of them
Meanwhile, in the iBuyPower fulfillment center: "That order doesn't go to Beve Sturk, right? He's an alt for a tech journalist." "Naw, this one goes to Jays Fiftycent."
Bro's got 4.1M subs. Probably flips houses just for the purpose of these video's. The real challenge is coming up with with clever aliases, I'll give you that.
We ordered that at the library I work at for a 3d modeling and video editing rig to attract the younger crowd, the listing said 7600 and RTX 3050 and we got a 7700X and 4060 for the $900 pricetag
@@rickyricardo2006 no kidding, when I first heard that we had a $1000 budget for the computer I was invited to the board meeting to pitch my ideas. I took my PCs I had built and a few different budget builds (all would perform great at $800 as I gave was giving wiggle room when it came to the monitor for it) the board then decided I was not skilled enough to handle the task and they would not elaborate on it (come to find out my old boss was spreading lies to try to get me to quit so she could take the money allotted to me to pay for her Hawaii retirement vacation) they then said that they were going a different direction with the PC I then spent the next couple of weeks writing my letter of resignation, was gonna hand deliver it the day the PC was delivered as I am the only one there who knew anything about computers, went in saw the box and the spec sheet, ripped up the paper and decided to stay. Glad I did as the new boss is really nice and doesn't do well with people lying about me.
The 4090 I bought off Amazon came in a box that could have fit 2 4090's with NOTHING else in it, just flopping around. And the Amazon box came crushed. Luckily my GPU was fine. But the heart attack I had was REAL.
yeah they need to quit using WAY too big of boxes when i KNOW 1000% they have other boxes that the item would fit better in, and those big air bubbles things
To be clear DDR5 isn't that big of a deal. It's basically dual channel per every ram stick. If you look at software that reports true speed it'll say something like "2600mhz" even if the Ram is running at 5200mhz. If you are curious if I'm wrong, by all means, look it up.
There's no way IBP paid $120 for Windows. Plus the deals they likely get on some/all of the components, they definitely still made money on the $899 sale price. Seeing a single stick of RAM always makes me cringe.
@garbuckle3000 They're making a killing on this, it's $700 in components retail, I'm building better for less as a one guy outfit. 20 years ago, OEMs and SIs priced under retail to sell. 10 years ago, OEMs still priced under retail DIY. Now you get comments like the above defending their crazy margins to "stay in business". Total shills, and I say that as a business owner!
I would speculate that the missing manuals and fasteners is because they negotiate with brokers and manufacturers before ordering parts in bulk without the extra hardware and paperwork to save on cost. Individual retail packaged items come with the extras, but they're more expensive per unit for that reason.
Honestly this ABSOLUTELY made me respect you and your work even more than I already did. Anyone can throw some sponsors in their videos and call it a day, but you take the time to make sure those sponsors are good options for your viewers. Thank you for doing that from a new to high end pc building fan.
As a driver for amazon, the boxes come pre-crushed by the time we get them loaded on our vans. Though being a gamer myself, i treat these packages like they are mine and handle them with care
Unfortunately not every driver does. I have video footage of drivers literally tossing my motherboard and other pc components (in clearly labeled boxes) up onto my porch from several feet away because they can't be bothered to walk any closer to put it down. It's literally only 1 step too, not like a staircase to get to. They could set it down without even walking up a single step
Secret shopper is good, companies will always double and triple check anything they send to product testers most of the time. This shows the qc for a normal shopper
the secret shopper series from LTT is one of my favorites outside of scrapyard wars. its the "real world" experience for the layman trying to buy a computer
Thank you for taking the time to explain what the purpose of a secret shopper is. Had I not seen this comment I would have likely spent the rest of my life pondering the significance of this informative piece of digital media. May I ask how it was that you came about this knowledge and wisdom? Was it through traditional means of learning, via books and tutorage within your countries educational system, or did you employ transcendental magic and receive it in a vision, or perhaps during an altered state of consciousness after taking an heroic dose of psilocybin mushrooms? Once again, let me thank you whole heartedly for explaining to us mere mortals what the purpose of a secret shopper is, in comparison to a normal shopper. Wondeful. Have a lovely day. I guess you could say ive been "Spoon" fed. ha ha ha haaa ha. ha haaaaa haaa ha ha ha
I agree they should be including all the acessories to the end customer, plus had they not gone with stupid RGB ram they might have been able to afford to do the dual sticks.
@@Montisaquadeis That's sad you even had to do this, as some less than tech savvy parent buying a PC for say Christmas, based on what someone at Best Buy, or sales person at Walmart told them to order off their website might not know to contact them for all those parts, and are getting ripped off.
The sanctions prevent the import and sales of new products. But if that product was already sitting on the shelf, that's not an issue, but as of now, no RMA or customer service is allowed
@@1newme425 It's all a bunch of BS, did US companies receive sanctions because their products were used in the bombing of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or were Chinese companies sanctioned when China put tens of thousands of Uygers in concentration camps?
@@1newme425 iBuyPower can just easily put another brand of cpu cooler to replace this if it failed under warranty. I haven't had any fans ever stop working but have replaced many because over time, they got too loud. They usually took months to years for that to happen, so I would just replace it myself.
@@1newme425 they *allegedly* sold components to Russia (oh big boo hoo) and the Treasury Department said they violated the US's sanctions against Russia. Pretty hypocritical when you consider Clinton, Obama, Nuland, and the CIA carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2013 (and openly bragged about it), to depose the fairly elected president and neutralize the ethnic Russian majority. Their installed puppets since then (Zelenny is #3) have been committing ethnic genocide against the eastern part of Ukraine where most residents are ethnically Russian.
I wish more companies would use a single connector for the front panel and motherboard. Forget the issues with the rest of the build, that single connection makes me happy... 🙂
I misplaced my harddrive bracket from a NZXT case. I contacted customer support to figure out which one i had to buy to replace it, instead they just sent me a new one for free.
The cooler can be used if they have it. They cannot import it anymore. The shops that removed them from their shelves did so because they cannot me properly warranties as a single item. Withing a sytem, they can replace it with a similar product.
I'd would have sold the stock, if warranty issues arised I would replaced then... It is less expense, less work, less e-waste and a win in every front.
Every PC builder should have a cheap USB wired standard keyboard and mouse set on hand. The less fancy, the better. They are great for basic component testing, as on a bench system, and can make troubleshooting much easier. Maybe the best $10 a PC builder can spend on Amazon.
Good video, system builders can get a bad rap, but you have to get paid for your work. I think this is excellent value. One thing, is Jay’s comment about the manual, iBuypower are probably buying these motherboards “bare bones” I.e. no manuals or the other bits that were missing. The manual is probably not really a big deal. The person buying a pre built of this value is unlikely to sit on the dunny reading the manual, and if they are at a level that they may later want to upgrade will download it. But we’ll done Jay, love these types of video.
Known working, even basic peripherals can be used with ANY PC for trouble shooting or backup in case of failure of a main... never knock them being included.
i always keep a couple of dell box keyboards on hand for testing and such. free with whatever system they came with ages ago, but still works like a charm for the basics.
It’s an incredible value. Because you need to consider that the $50 build fee (or even if it’s $100) is worth that and more. It comes with the warranty, tech support, and customer service that is worth gold to someone new to PCs.
don't know what it is like in the States, but we have consumer protection for the first year which is better than any warranty. The individual parts will have a warranty greater than a year and if buying the parts individually you get the same one year protection (UK). So I find warranties pretty useless. Regards tech support and customer service (are these really different?) ... good point, provided they are pretty decent.
@@gmonkman An umbrella warranty is better for people new to computers, since if something like the motherboard messes up it could be a huge headache for someone who knows nothing about the parts to go through and figure out what part is messed up. (speaking from experience where I thought my video card was messed up because my screen kept shutting off. RMAd it and got a new one, issue kept happening so RMAd the the PSU. Kept happening and it turned out it was the PCIE slot on the motherboard which looked fine. So instead of being able to get it fixed in a week it took a little over a month after all the shipping and returning time.)
I'm an independent PC builder my build fee is £180 that $239. I would say the get the parts a lot cheaper because they buy in bulk it probably costs around $180 per unit so its like a $400 margin. Its a good price for what you are getting you can build something close for that price retell but then you have a hole bunch of different warrantees to deal with if anything goes wrong and that a real pain. Its a much better option for a first timer.
I've been in PC repair for over 30 years. If you look at my other comment, I can do a better build with the same specs for $700. unlike the above reply, I charge under $100 for most builds. This isn't an incredible value by any stretch of the imagination, they are making a $200-300 margin even at retail for the parts, which they most certainly are not paying retail.
@@liberator-sf4bf Do agree with your points as a general principle. But, any warranty is only as good as the company offering the warranty (See GN-Asus!). Warranties (usually) dont cover return postage, which for a whole PC will be 15 to 30 notes as require signed/insured as customer has liability for the goods during the return. Consumer protection for the first year (UK,EU at least) requires return costs to be covered by the retailer. A
Windows is just a necessity. I don't mind there being some value placed on it but I would subtract $80-90 off that $119 price point. If you watch 5 different tech videos on TH-cam, I guarantee one will have an OS key advert, which if used will save you that much money. The OEM's get better pricing but a customer, building their own computer, isn't going to get that bulk price.
that's also why you can get harvested keys for dirt cheap. there's nothing less legit about them, those keys were sold by microsoft to someone who used them on an oem system, and then just no longer needed them. saying they're legally murky is the same thing as saying it's legally murky to buy someone's old graphics card when they just upgraded. if you can enter a key into an unmodified windows install and have it activate it's not pirated.
@@DeeSnow97 I have bought the Win 10 Pro keys at various times for new builds or motherboard changes 4-6 times for $10-25 with zero issues. Some builds are 5 years old, so if it's not a problem now, it won't ever be.
Deepcool isn't allowed to sell them in the US but if a builder like Ibuypower has them in stock already, they are able to include them in builds however they cannot sell them individually.
Honestly, a $50 difference is a time cost in my eyes. Some people, especially entry level buyers, would gladly spend an extra $50 to not have to deal with assembling the PC and shopping out all the various parts and making sure they're compatible. To an enthusiast that's old hat, but to someone buying their first gaming PC, it can kinda be daunting. Especially, since you're not getting parts from brands no one has ever heard of.
I'm not even an entry level, and when I make my PC, Ill gladly pay the 50 to make them build and test it, so I'm sure all parts work unless damaged on shipping, that way there is less of a chance I have to deal with RMA the first day I'm getting the new PC, which would suck big time.
That's what I did for my pc 2 years ago, then I started to put my hands on it to change fans, then CPU, a few months after swapped case, mobo, GPU and PSU, so I pretty much built the whole PC myself. All of that after watching many different tutorials and now I feel confident enough to build a new one by myself, which I'll do in the next few months. So yeah, for a first pc, if you don't know enough about them or if someone simply doesn't want to be bothered with it, spending 50/100 extra is worth, but learning how to do it is fun 😁
exactly right, the fact they can pre build these with labor included and be competitive is amazing. they must have serious purchasing power buying bulk.
How many sucker are there in the comments? It's $700 retail in components, I build better with same specs for customers on a regular basis. They're making a killing, $300 margin, just at retail component price, which they definitely aren't paying. The labor is pennies on the dollar for SIs like this.
I got my ibuypower from Best Buy a good 4 years ago. I watched a bunch of videos on what to do and check for when you get your pre built….I did not have to do a single thing lol my XMP was enabled, and it had two sticks of RAM in dual channel mode etc…it was perfect and I’ve not had a single problem with it in the 4 years I’ve had it…..upgraded the 3070 to a 4070 ti super and upped the ram from 16 to 32 GB and it’s still going strong I love my pc.
I suspect that their build doesn't have any of the standard extras because they bought bare boards in bulk rather than complete retail units in bulk. It's the sort of thing that's intended for OEMs that would include their own documentation and build specific hardware. This OEM dropped the ball by not fulfilling their part of the equation. At the very least, they should have had all of the mounting hardware. Those screws and such would have been pennies. There's no reason NOT to have them.
I don't think people understand how small overhead is on parts from the MFR. When I worked at a foundry, we were selling mostly finished AR triggers for about $0.63/ea. Pennies is literally the margin. It's the end retailer that marks it up to $20 after some finishing.
Hey there Jay, I really like your approach to tech. Average Joe who really likes his PC stuff. That’s me too. One point, there’s a focus on “dual channel” ram carrying over from DDR4. DDR5 works differently and is not nearly as sensitive to only one stick. I’ve run a bunch of tests on laptops and desktops and the impact can be more margin of error in a lot of cases. There may be the outlyer here and there, but the impact of “one stick” with DDR5 is just not as big of a deal as it was with DDR4. Jarrod did some work on this as a reference, when it comes to laptos. May be worth a look. Cheers Rick p.s. glad your health is better and your condition is under control.. That’s great news!
I thought the single stick of RAM thing was over, otherwise I feel that is a good deal on the PC. Like you said, a novice builder is likely to pay $120 for windows, and even some more experienced builders who are sketched out about the discount keys so readily available. I use those keys, and have had zero issues, but I understand why someone might get nervous about them. I suspect that is how Ibuypower (I actually like their prebuilts for what they are and what they cost) makes their profit, they likely only pay about $15 per copy of Windows, and certainly get some extra margin buying parts by the thousand or ten thousand. I work for a company that uses a lot of cable and wire, the main wire we use costs about $1.25 per foot at Home Depot or Lowes, and that product is a lower quality wire, my employer gets it for thirty cents per foot, because we buy ten million feet at a time. I doubt Ibuypower gets that much of a bulk discount, but probably just enough to make those builds profitable.
Yea most people don't understand the back end economies of scale. Manufacturers often bulk sale parts for pennies over the cost to manufacture them. Some guy crying about "a couple cents there's no reason to not include the screws", if every screw cost $0.05 to manufacture and bag, and they'd need 1 billion screws, that's 50 million $ of extra cost. I'm just using round numbers for clarity, but many companies simply cannot eat "just a few pennies" that adds up to millions of dollars.
My first gaming computer was an I buy power. Other than their aio water cooler being junk and needing to replace it i am beyond happy with mine. *edit* forgot they plugged my aio pump into fan 2 instead of the dedicated pump on my mother board fixed that with the replacement i did
Thank you for doing things like this, it is a big reason I have been following you on TH-cam since you started. Keep up the great work everyone at JTC.
I LIKE. As a Canadian I'm proud of my boy, Linus. Doesn't mean others can't do it. Hold companies accountable. The more who do this the better. Legit looking forward to watching how you do this. NICE!
Hey there Jay.. another quick comment.. Nice video. (watched to the end). I’m glad to see them making a decent PC. Seems like a really solid build for the $$ Cheers Rick
More of this please Jay, and to keep in line with Steve, do a Rant please at the bad case you bought… LOL. Great video, and I hope once you have moved, more new things from your channel.
"It's crazy that Asus would put a BIOS Flashback on the back of the mobo but not a clr-CMOS." It's because it's a requirement, Jay. AMD mandates ANY B650 boards and up to have CPU-less BIOS updating feature.
That doesn't preclude them putting a clear CMOS button on the back too though. The fact that AMD requires the BIOS button doesn't negate his statement about the CMOS button, which was the whole point.
@@StephenBeaudet It does though? Jay said he was surprised it didn't have the cmos button because it did have the bios flashback. Budget motherboards are not going to include features like that unless they have too, hence why they have the bios button, not the cmos one.
@@Goober2289it's something that should be required on all motherboards. It's a cheap implementation that costs maybe a dollar for a button and a few more cents for running a trace or two. In the grand scheme of mass production such a feature costs just a few cents. The fact that it's even mentioned that there is no motherboard manual included so that the first-timer can look for themselves - makes it an issue.
lol. When you refer to the box it shipped in. A few years back I ordered a Cyberpower PC on Newegg. Showed up at my apartment complex in the Cyberpower box with all the specs on the outside, and didn’t need a signature or anything so they just left it in the lobby. Lucky I was home when it showed up so I could run down and get it. Same with the Asus monitor I’d ordered at the same time.
i used to say that until i started FPS and MMO on a cherry red board. now im running a cherry laser and it's absolutely incredible. light, quiet, and consistent in the long term
@@ghomerhust thank you for the comment! I want to love mechanical keyboards but couldn’t find one I like. I don’t think I ever tried Cherry switches. I’ll save this thought for my next keyboard!
That is a pretty good deal, for a new pc user. For a more experienced builder, the only difference (windows excluded) is that buying the parts separately they would have the original packing for each item. That is useful if anything goes wrong, if you wanted to RMA a component or if later you wanted to resell a component. But nice work IbuyPower.
‘I hate these retainers! They really don’t do anything except make the case look a little prettier..’ Says the man with ALL the RGB in every build. 😂😂😂
Hopefully IBuyPower takes this unboxing review to heart. If they correct the handful of packing discrepancies - MOBO manual, chassis parts kit, M.2 screws, etc. - they would truly have a customer-centric killer value.
A few years ago, I bought one of their prebuilt systems, just to get the parts I wanted to upgrade my gaming rig. I put my old parts in the new case along with the other things I didn't need, and sold them to a friend at work for $250. He got a smokin' deal on a media center PC, and I got a good deal on the mobo, CPU, and RAM I wanted. Win-win. Not all prebuilts are for everyone, but they do have a place. All the best to you, Jay. And like the shoutout to Derek!
Regarding the single stick: This is DDR5 16GB is a n00b trap with DDR5 because 8GB ddr5 modules have half the bank groups which has the same performance impact as only having one stick. You essentially pay the same performance penalty whether it's 2x8 or 1x16. Personally I think 1x16 is the better option simply because it opens the door for moving over to 2x16 at a later point in time whereas with 2x8 you'd be stuck with four bank groups instead of eight unless you completely removed the 8GB modules and replaced them with 16GB. Keep in mind a single stick is still dual channel all by itself, when you add a second stick you're actually going quad channel so the penalty for a single stick isn't as much on ddr5 as it is on ddr4.
DDR5 splits the DIMM's 64-bit connection into two sub-channels of 32 bits each. But mainstream CPUs still have the same 128-bit total width for their DRAM controllers, so you still need more than one DIMM installed to use all the (sub)channels provided by the CPU's memory controller. Just something I found.
For DDR5 systems, they should have 32GB of memory (2X16GB). 2 sticks should be used for all builds. It might not be a deal breaker for some, but it's wasted performance, with little justification to do so. Prior to 2020, 16GB was enough but I think 32GB is sufficient for most "normal" users and has been the new standard for at least a couple years.
Very sad that Deepcool is sanctioned, I used their fans for every build. Great prices, quiet, great air flow/pressure, rgb worked with every manufacturer, and they lasted forever.
Small note, but having the twist ties makes it so much easier to maintain if a user needs to ad or remove something. I actually wish it was more common because I was helping someone work on the PC recently and those zip ties where the BANE of our existence
@@ThatWarlockBoi They were bypassing existing sanctions using shell companies to sell product to Russia. So they now are sanctioned. Any company that has their stock for OEM, can still use current stock until sold out. Retailers can either sell current stock or remove from inventory
@@RealGreyGhost Kazakhstan moment: (this is quite stupid, honestly. Anyway, nice to know that stuff will be cheaper now, next time i would need a cooler)
I'm really liking the new music. It adds a level of freshness to the video that makes me think we're getting a new level of JTC content. As it turns out, we ARE getting some fresh new content! It's not new content to the PC community, but your perspective of secret shopper was one I wasn't expecting but was super curious to look at. You don't give fancy charts, you don't have things measured to NASA science levels of craziness. . . you're just a smart dude that's down to Earth. Honestly, that's what makes your video, in my opinion, superior to other channels for this specific genre. Prebuilds are going mostly to people who don't know exactly what they're doing but want to get into PCs, so your video being dumbed down compared to LTT and GN. . . perfect! I'll definitely be looking forward to more of these from you. Keep up the good work Jay and team!
GN's attitude towards pre-builts is more or less "the machine you can recommend your family buy when they ask you". They assume their viewers are knowledgeable, but for whatever reason aren't building their own.
I'd say it leaves room for expansion, but they don't include expansion provisions anymore. ... I do laugh when modern cases with no drive cage are longer front-to-back than my 90s mid-tower that hung the drive cage over the motherboard to save space.
ive been building PCs since the late 90s for a living (over 4500 systems built, about 80% were gaming rigs). one of my best customers was an old lady that always ordered the top gaming hardware every single year, and all she did was use windows paint to touch up digital scans of old photos. but it was 4-5 grand every single year. she simply wanted the best hardware, whether or not she was actually going to USE it.
You’re exactly right, I’m doing my second build and spend about 8 grand for my build. My first build I had a 3080 with $150 motherboards and underpowered CPU’s because I didn’t know what I was doing and spent a lot of money to learn years later I didn’t do any favors for myself by cheating myself by cutting corners just to say I had a 3080. Now for my second build after a while of learning through trial and error, the guy at micro center I knew more about PC’s then some of his co workers….. but the hours of research so I can get the build I want with the performance. Yeah for sure someone can spend that money and not know how to use it but if your spending money like that with ignorance you can afford tech support 😂
That PSU look like it would burst into flames if you dare to put anything better than a 4060 in there. I looked at the PSU tier list and couldn't find an entry for it... But it could be as low as E tier. Being "gold rated" means very little these days.
if it's a LEGIT gold rating, then it's solid. but, there's been a LOT of faked ratings on crap PSUs popping up. just like the fake AMD 7900x processors people have been getting from large online retailers
The foam can be a real blessing sometimes. I bought a tablet from Amazon some years ago. When I got it, it had a big tear on the side of the box. Even going through the retail box. There was a thin layer of foam against the tablet screen inside the retail box. The foam had been compressed just a little but no damage on it. And nothing on the screen itself. I think I did report it to Amazon, with pictures, but that was about it since the product itself wasn't damaged.
my G502 with all the weights installed is TOO LIGHT for my big grubby hands. i have to claw grip that huge mouse because it's not big enough. thats what i get for turning wrenches since the early 90s
Better than linus' secret shopper video where he bothers and picks on minimally trained, poorly paid understaffed call center employees trying to do a job to survive
if they're "minimally trained staff" that's an issue, Linus never states it is their fault. It is clearly as you say down to poor training and that absolutely is an issue that should be highlighted.
I love the idea of you doing secret shopper videos on prebuilts. And I see what you did there Jay, incorporated your love of cars into this stream. "bleep bloop it down below" - Vice Grip Garage
With consoles getting "higher" in cost (They're actually lower thanks to inflation, but whatever) these budget PC videos are golden and perfectly timed, Jay & crew. 💯
I'd like to see some more budget builds with maybe some used market parts🤷🏽♂️ 1070 is usually around $110 or less in some places👀 Anyways keep up the great content! 💯🤙🏽
IEC mains cables need to be compliant to certain standards. This is because their universal nature aka you could and can plug them into another device. These cables either pass or they don't, but it's not allowed to manufacture a cable that wouldn't handle lower currents (power).
The sanctions only stop you from doing business with the company. It's technically NOT a ban of their products at all. People get put on the OFAC sanction list too. The only reason sanctions works is because most banking systems in the world use US dollar in some shape or form. So if the US government sanction someone it means you can't pay them with the USD, so instead of trying to get around that (you can), most banks will rather just not deal with them which means buying their products as store or retailer (or builder) is basically impossible. So you can buy them from a retailer or whatnot of existing stock. You can still use them. You can gift them or sell them to someone else. Some retailers like Microcenter [probably] took them off their shelves since they can't pay Deepcool the proceeds of the sale, so rather than deal the accounting of that, it's easier to just stop selling in general.
I'd like to see more of this. This video reminds me of the pre built reviews GN did 2-3 years ago. It's almost like an homage to it, from the testing to the teardown after the testing, but shown before testing.
I received an email from a “sponsor” asking to add their product to my channel. I asked for a review sample, then said no. On top of that payment was only based on sales. So, hard pass…
Missed pro: The extra cutout on the top. If you have to pull the motherboard or upgrading it, that cutout will come in handy when time to plug the top cables in. No more having to reach in through the side panel and squeezing in between the fan and top of the case. Missed con, maybe: You can try to find the mobo manual online, but that wasn't the case from my experience a few years ago. Even though the part is name brand, it may still be a proprietary part not available at retail. In my case it was an Asrock mobo that didn't exist in the wild, so there simply was no manual for it. I had to research to find out it was similar enough to one of their retail boards that I could use that manual for most things. Getting the BIOS updates was also proprietary and had to be obtained direct from the SI (Cyberpower in this case). It was not available from AsRock at all.
my first PC i ever got was from Ibuypower around 4 years ago and the case was an absolute hotbox. not to mention my front panel was acrylic instead of tempered glass, and the back panel had half of the clips removed because it sucked, glad to see they improved a lot
Great video as usual Jay. If you could run some check with Micro center maybe or manufacturer. In the last few weeks I ordered 2 new motherboards that did not come with a manual. An MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk max wifi and a Asus TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI ATX. I build Pc's for friends and coworker and it's the first time that I have encountered that. Don't know if its a new trend but If I wasn't a little experience I would have struggled.
Back in the day I bought a big IBM PC for a small fortune on a lease deal. Best buy ever. When I picked it up I was told their finance department was running behind so they would send me the paper work and bill, a few days later they send me a letter saying they were still behind and would be in touch - they new did. I didn't in any way try and hide that I got the PC, signed for it, registered the warranty thing with IBM and son on... only I never got to pay for it. I could properly have called them and insisted they should take my money, only as a student money wasn't plentiful so instead I put their letter in a picture frame, hang it on my wall and when someone asked I said I was sponsored by Big Blue 😊
Nice Derrick-ism!!! VGG family for ever!! I have an IBuyPower laptop, it's over 10 years old now, still works just fine...apart from how slow it is, due to how out of date the spec is these days!!
not me having to take a picture of a MOBO so i can zoom in to read it lol. Great video idea and breakdown. By the way, those silly retention flaps are mostly used on enterprise cases, and carried over to consumer. They were meant to allow IT guys to change hardware without having to use a screwdriver and fiddle with screws. Just take off two thumb screws and you're in.
These basic entry level sale systems are also popular for people who want to save cash by buying them when they go on super sale or clearance, and then upgrading some parts like CPU/RAM with parts they get on sale elsewhere. My boss scored an iBuyPower AM4 PC on clearance for $300, and then upgraded it with a 5700X3D he got on sale somewhere else. Then he sold the R5 5500 for $50 on FB marketplace. Total cost was $450 for a system with a 7800X3D and a 6700 XT.
465GB is what a 500GB drive formats to in Windows (476 GB if you have a 512GB SSD). It doesn't indicate the presence of a recovery partition. Just an FYI. Deepcool is also present at Microcenter again.
I always had good luck with ibuypower first gaming pc back 15 years ago was ibuypower then I got another later on and built my own from then on out but recently got an nzxt player 3 because of you showing it to me haha.
mixed feelings, seems like fair pricing for a prebuilt, my guess is they get discounts by purchasing by the pallet... however still disappointing... just the oddball mismatch of components; albeit the mobo is not terrible probably about the best I've seen in a prebuilt the ram and the ssd which I'm assuming is an NVME variety they would of been better off pricing higher for more of a balanced product, it's impossible to find a prebuilt I could recommend to anyone... as it stands I get laughs out of the blue box store pre-builds... as a side note I'm not upset by the cable management at all... it's not terrible looks halfway decent I've seen way worse I'd give it a solid B, over all B+ to A- for the build...
For deepcool, all retailers were able to sell any of the stock that they previously had but would not be able to purchase anymore from deepcool.
I do believe this is the case. They wouldn't want american retailers to suffer losses due to purchases they made before the sanctions.
That’s strange as it’s illegal for even private persons to conduct any business with them. This would mean no RMA or warranty or anything on the products.
no, the transition period ended about a month after the ban went down
Not with the OEM but IBuyPower warranty on the overall system could easily replace the fan with an equivalent or better make of fan. Now, in 40+ years of computers I have owned, the total fan failures Ive had is probably close to 3... maybe 4. Realistically, if one fails I just go buy one and stick it in, not worth the headache to argue over. Nothing under 100 dollars is worth the argument with any company (and really with inflation I probably should say nothing under 400 these days). It breaks, replace it, and take the broken one, put it on an alter, add the lighter fluid... and move on with life :)
@@pederb82 Well then that just means the retailer can say sold as is, & informing the customer of the situation. Also it's a shame about Deep Cool as I've used them for years all the way back to their Logisys days for budget banger AMD builds.
Ibuypower had a contract with deepcool for the coolers and when the the restriction was filed they already had a surplus of the coolers so they’re just getting rid of them
Meanwhile, in the iBuyPower fulfillment center:
"That order doesn't go to Beve Sturk, right? He's an alt for a tech journalist."
"Naw, this one goes to Jays Fiftycent."
Bro's got 4.1M subs. Probably flips houses just for the purpose of these video's. The real challenge is coming up with with clever aliases, I'll give you that.
Many men. Just call me a shill.
Lmao
We ordered that at the library I work at for a 3d modeling and video editing rig to attract the younger crowd, the listing said 7600 and RTX 3050 and we got a 7700X and 4060 for the $900 pricetag
Someone got your pc at a higher price 😂
@@rickyricardo2006 no kidding, when I first heard that we had a $1000 budget for the computer I was invited to the board meeting to pitch my ideas. I took my PCs I had built and a few different budget builds (all would perform great at $800 as I gave was giving wiggle room when it came to the monitor for it) the board then decided I was not skilled enough to handle the task and they would not elaborate on it (come to find out my old boss was spreading lies to try to get me to quit so she could take the money allotted to me to pay for her Hawaii retirement vacation) they then said that they were going a different direction with the PC
I then spent the next couple of weeks writing my letter of resignation, was gonna hand deliver it the day the PC was delivered as I am the only one there who knew anything about computers, went in saw the box and the spec sheet, ripped up the paper and decided to stay. Glad I did as the new boss is really nice and doesn't do well with people lying about me.
Now thats what I call a pretty good day
somebody that ordered a 7700X and 4060 punching air rn
Nah, they probably didn't have the part so they upgraded to the next option.
The 4090 I bought off Amazon came in a box that could have fit 2 4090's with NOTHING else in it, just flopping around. And the Amazon box came crushed. Luckily my GPU was fine. But the heart attack I had was REAL.
You had a real heart attack?
yeah they need to quit using WAY too big of boxes when i KNOW 1000% they have other boxes that the item would fit better in, and those big air bubbles things
I bought a 3090 with a water block off eBay, and Florida guy just threw a loose gpu in a box the size of a shoe box 😮
thats wild. you'd think they'd at least put some airpak in there or something. they do for my damn dogs food that gets delivered.
@@1newme425 Think the word you're looking for is 'dead'.
The single stick of ram is just laughable from any company.
Agreed 100%, and had they not gone with the stupid RGB RAM sticks, they might have been able to afford to pop in a dual stick kit.
@@CommodoreFan64 but you need that extra 0.0000001 fps the rgb adds lol.
@@TheExileFox 🤣
To be clear DDR5 isn't that big of a deal. It's basically dual channel per every ram stick. If you look at software that reports true speed it'll say something like "2600mhz" even if the Ram is running at 5200mhz. If you are curious if I'm wrong, by all means, look it up.
DDR, or double data rate isnt the same as dual channel
THIS JAY, more of this, not just your sponsors, but for everyone!
JayZ doesn't quite have the budget LTT does... but maybe if he did more builds for his celebrity friends on the side... :).
There's no way IBP paid $120 for Windows. Plus the deals they likely get on some/all of the components, they definitely still made money on the $899 sale price. Seeing a single stick of RAM always makes me cringe.
They will always make a profit. Even with a sale. That's how companies stay in business.
@@RealGreyGhost some sales are to clear inventory at or just above cost so not always profit but usually never a loss.
@garbuckle3000 They're making a killing on this, it's $700 in components retail, I'm building better for less as a one guy outfit. 20 years ago, OEMs and SIs priced under retail to sell. 10 years ago, OEMs still priced under retail DIY. Now you get comments like the above defending their crazy margins to "stay in business". Total shills, and I say that as a business owner!
Asus prime mobo is worst imo. Ram you can upgrade at least easy. That mobo sucks...In hub we trust.
Yep, they start with the fact that bulk purchases always give you a discount, and that can go up very quickly.
I would speculate that the missing manuals and fasteners is because they negotiate with brokers and manufacturers before ordering parts in bulk without the extra hardware and paperwork to save on cost. Individual retail packaged items come with the extras, but they're more expensive per unit for that reason.
yeah i'd bet they get a huge box with a bunch of boards in it instead of the retail packaged stuff. WAY cheaper
Honestly this ABSOLUTELY made me respect you and your work even more than I already did. Anyone can throw some sponsors in their videos and call it a day, but you take the time to make sure those sponsors are good options for your viewers. Thank you for doing that from a new to high end pc building fan.
Love the mention of the standardized front panel connector. It was introduced in 2017 there are no longer any excuses for case companies!
As a driver for amazon, the boxes come pre-crushed by the time we get them loaded on our vans. Though being a gamer myself, i treat these packages like they are mine and handle them with care
God bless you. I've definitely had Amazon drivers literally throw packages at my door from like 5 feet away lol
@@brando3342I've had UPS drivers do that. Actually had 'em do it with some pretty heavy stuff. Was honestly impressed.
Unfortunately not every driver does. I have video footage of drivers literally tossing my motherboard and other pc components (in clearly labeled boxes) up onto my porch from several feet away because they can't be bothered to walk any closer to put it down. It's literally only 1 step too, not like a staircase to get to. They could set it down without even walking up a single step
🗣️"It's way cheaper than the linus screw driver."
I love you jay 😂😂😂
Secret shopper is good, companies will always double and triple check anything they send to product testers most of the time. This shows the qc for a normal shopper
the secret shopper series from LTT is one of my favorites outside of scrapyard wars. its the "real world" experience for the layman trying to buy a computer
Thank you for taking the time to explain what the purpose of a secret shopper is. Had I not seen this comment I would have likely spent the rest of my life pondering the significance of this informative piece of digital media. May I ask how it was that you came about this knowledge and wisdom? Was it through traditional means of learning, via books and tutorage within your countries educational system, or did you employ transcendental magic and receive it in a vision, or perhaps during an altered state of consciousness after taking an heroic dose of psilocybin mushrooms? Once again, let me thank you whole heartedly for explaining to us mere mortals what the purpose of a secret shopper is, in comparison to a normal shopper. Wondeful. Have a lovely day. I guess you could say ive been "Spoon" fed. ha ha ha haaa ha. ha haaaaa haaa ha ha ha
900 seems very nice for the specs. Misses just a 2x ram sticks
@@badgerservices9665 This comment made my day. Kuddos to you for the fantastic sarcasm. i love it.
Were SATA cables not included either? If they're just throwing away anything that isn't a part of the build, it's a huge issue with their process
The missing accessories and manuals is a BIG noo-no.
How is one supposed to RTFM is the is no FM
I had to contact cyberpower to get them to send me the required accessories for the PC I got from them.
@Montisaquadeis I had pretty good experience with cyberpower they even upgraded my ssd for free but I know every build can be different
I agree they should be including all the acessories to the end customer, plus had they not gone with stupid RGB ram they might have been able to afford to do the dual sticks.
@@Montisaquadeis That's sad you even had to do this, as some less than tech savvy parent buying a PC for say Christmas, based on what someone at Best Buy, or sales person at Walmart told them to order off their website might not know to contact them for all those parts, and are getting ripped off.
The sanctions prevent the import and sales of new products. But if that product was already sitting on the shelf, that's not an issue, but as of now, no RMA or customer service is allowed
@@1newme425 It's all a bunch of BS, did US companies receive sanctions because their products were used in the bombing of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or were Chinese companies sanctioned when China put tens of thousands of Uygers in concentration camps?
@@1newme425 iBuyPower can just easily put another brand of cpu cooler to replace this if it failed under warranty. I haven't had any fans ever stop working but have replaced many because over time, they got too loud. They usually took months to years for that to happen, so I would just replace it myself.
@@1newme425just by association with Russia. Which only hurts Americans
If no RMA is allowed, send a bill to the Treasury Department for your money
@@1newme425 they *allegedly* sold components to Russia (oh big boo hoo) and the Treasury Department said they violated the US's sanctions against Russia.
Pretty hypocritical when you consider Clinton, Obama, Nuland, and the CIA carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2013 (and openly bragged about it), to depose the fairly elected president and neutralize the ethnic Russian majority. Their installed puppets since then (Zelenny is #3) have been committing ethnic genocide against the eastern part of Ukraine where most residents are ethnically Russian.
I wish more companies would use a single connector for the front panel and motherboard. Forget the issues with the rest of the build, that single connection makes me happy... 🙂
I just did a case swap with a Corsair 3500x and it has a single cable for all the front panel stuff. I couldn't believe what I saw.
@@KK-eg3em Nice. My 4000D airflow didn't... 😞 it had the separate +/- terminals for power, power LED, reset, HDD light.
You should have called up IBP and asked them for the hardware to install a HDD. That would have been a good test of their CS.
I misplaced my harddrive bracket from a NZXT case. I contacted customer support to figure out which one i had to buy to replace it, instead they just sent me a new one for free.
The cooler can be used if they have it. They cannot import it anymore. The shops that removed them from their shelves did so because they cannot me properly warranties as a single item. Withing a sytem, they can replace it with a similar product.
I'd would have sold the stock, if warranty issues arised I would replaced then... It is less expense, less work, less e-waste and a win in every front.
And i appreciate their products. Going to get some to support them if I can.
the cheap si motherboards sometimes come in bulk, in non branded boxes with 10 units per box, no manual, no sata etc but always came with m2 screws
Yes more secret shopper videos on all sponsors
That poke at the LTT screwdriver though xD
Every PC builder should have a cheap USB wired standard keyboard and mouse set on hand. The less fancy, the better. They are great for basic component testing, as on a bench system, and can make troubleshooting much easier. Maybe the best $10 a PC builder can spend on Amazon.
Good video, system builders can get a bad rap, but you have to get paid for your work. I think this is excellent value. One thing, is Jay’s comment about the manual, iBuypower are probably buying these motherboards “bare bones” I.e. no manuals or the other bits that were missing. The manual is probably not really a big deal. The person buying a pre built of this value is unlikely to sit on the dunny reading the manual, and if they are at a level that they may later want to upgrade will download it. But we’ll done Jay, love these types of video.
Known working, even basic peripherals can be used with ANY PC for trouble shooting or backup in case of failure of a main... never knock them being included.
i always keep a couple of dell box keyboards on hand for testing and such. free with whatever system they came with ages ago, but still works like a charm for the basics.
It’s an incredible value. Because you need to consider that the $50 build fee (or even if it’s $100) is worth that and more. It comes with the warranty, tech support, and customer service that is worth gold to someone new to PCs.
don't know what it is like in the States, but we have consumer protection for the first year which is better than any warranty. The individual parts will have a warranty greater than a year and if buying the parts individually you get the same one year protection (UK). So I find warranties pretty useless.
Regards tech support and customer service (are these really different?) ... good point, provided they are pretty decent.
@@gmonkman An umbrella warranty is better for people new to computers, since if something like the motherboard messes up it could be a huge headache for someone who knows nothing about the parts to go through and figure out what part is messed up. (speaking from experience where I thought my video card was messed up because my screen kept shutting off. RMAd it and got a new one, issue kept happening so RMAd the the PSU. Kept happening and it turned out it was the PCIE slot on the motherboard which looked fine. So instead of being able to get it fixed in a week it took a little over a month after all the shipping and returning time.)
I'm an independent PC builder my build fee is £180 that $239. I would say the get the parts a lot cheaper because they buy in bulk it probably costs around $180 per unit so its like a $400 margin. Its a good price for what you are getting you can build something close for that price retell but then you have a hole bunch of different warrantees to deal with if anything goes wrong and that a real pain. Its a much better option for a first timer.
I've been in PC repair for over 30 years. If you look at my other comment, I can do a better build with the same specs for $700. unlike the above reply, I charge under $100 for most builds. This isn't an incredible value by any stretch of the imagination, they are making a $200-300 margin even at retail for the parts, which they most certainly are not paying retail.
@@liberator-sf4bf Do agree with your points as a general principle. But, any warranty is only as good as the company offering the warranty (See GN-Asus!).
Warranties (usually) dont cover return postage, which for a whole PC will be 15 to 30 notes as require signed/insured as customer has liability for the goods during the return.
Consumer protection for the first year (UK,EU at least) requires return costs to be covered by the retailer. A
OEMs don't pay $119 for Windows, they pay a dollar or two; it doesn't sound like much, but it adds up when you are moving thousands of computers.
and loads of profit for them.
Windows is just a necessity. I don't mind there being some value placed on it but I would subtract $80-90 off that $119 price point. If you watch 5 different tech videos on TH-cam, I guarantee one will have an OS key advert, which if used will save you that much money. The OEM's get better pricing but a customer, building their own computer, isn't going to get that bulk price.
Yeah, OEM's pay very little. System builders pay more, but if it's similar in the US as it is in AU They would pay less than US$30.
that's also why you can get harvested keys for dirt cheap. there's nothing less legit about them, those keys were sold by microsoft to someone who used them on an oem system, and then just no longer needed them. saying they're legally murky is the same thing as saying it's legally murky to buy someone's old graphics card when they just upgraded.
if you can enter a key into an unmodified windows install and have it activate it's not pirated.
@@DeeSnow97 I have bought the Win 10 Pro keys at various times for new builds or motherboard changes 4-6 times for $10-25 with zero issues. Some builds are 5 years old, so if it's not a problem now, it won't ever be.
Deepcool isn't allowed to sell them in the US but if a builder like Ibuypower has them in stock already, they are able to include them in builds however they cannot sell them individually.
And it's just the USA. The rest of the world can still buy their stuff.
Honestly, a $50 difference is a time cost in my eyes. Some people, especially entry level buyers, would gladly spend an extra $50 to not have to deal with assembling the PC and shopping out all the various parts and making sure they're compatible. To an enthusiast that's old hat, but to someone buying their first gaming PC, it can kinda be daunting. Especially, since you're not getting parts from brands no one has ever heard of.
I'm not even an entry level, and when I make my PC, Ill gladly pay the 50 to make them build and test it, so I'm sure all parts work unless damaged on shipping, that way there is less of a chance I have to deal with RMA the first day I'm getting the new PC, which would suck big time.
That's what I did for my pc 2 years ago, then I started to put my hands on it to change fans, then CPU, a few months after swapped case, mobo, GPU and PSU, so I pretty much built the whole PC myself.
All of that after watching many different tutorials and now I feel confident enough to build a new one by myself, which I'll do in the next few months.
So yeah, for a first pc, if you don't know enough about them or if someone simply doesn't want to be bothered with it, spending 50/100 extra is worth, but learning how to do it is fun 😁
exactly right, the fact they can pre build these with labor included and be competitive is amazing. they must have serious purchasing power buying bulk.
How many sucker are there in the comments? It's $700 retail in components, I build better with same specs for customers on a regular basis. They're making a killing, $300 margin, just at retail component price, which they definitely aren't paying. The labor is pennies on the dollar for SIs like this.
I got my ibuypower from Best Buy a good 4 years ago. I watched a bunch of videos on what to do and check for when you get your pre built….I did not have to do a single thing lol my XMP was enabled, and it had two sticks of RAM in dual channel mode etc…it was perfect and I’ve not had a single problem with it in the 4 years I’ve had it…..upgraded the 3070 to a 4070 ti super and upped the ram from 16 to 32 GB and it’s still going strong I love my pc.
He mentioned a sketchy pc he bought as well. I want to see it. Hope he does a video on it.
I suspect that their build doesn't have any of the standard extras because they bought bare boards in bulk rather than complete retail units in bulk. It's the sort of thing that's intended for OEMs that would include their own documentation and build specific hardware. This OEM dropped the ball by not fulfilling their part of the equation. At the very least, they should have had all of the mounting hardware. Those screws and such would have been pennies. There's no reason NOT to have them.
I don't think you understand scale.
"It costs pennies"
Yes but ten BILLION of them cost $100,000,000.
I don't think people understand how small overhead is on parts from the MFR.
When I worked at a foundry, we were selling mostly finished AR triggers for about $0.63/ea. Pennies is literally the margin. It's the end retailer that marks it up to $20 after some finishing.
I like to think all of jayz vids ideas come into his head when he expels rocks into his toilet.
his sound effects sure do lead one to believe. *splat*
Hey there Jay,
I really like your approach to tech. Average Joe who really likes his PC stuff. That’s me too. One point, there’s a focus on “dual channel” ram carrying over from DDR4. DDR5 works differently and is not nearly as sensitive to only one stick. I’ve run a bunch of tests on laptops and desktops and the impact can be more margin of error in a lot of cases. There may be the outlyer here and there, but the impact of “one stick” with DDR5 is just not as big of a deal as it was with DDR4. Jarrod did some work on this as a reference, when it comes to laptos. May be worth a look.
Cheers
Rick
p.s. glad your health is better and your condition is under control.. That’s great news!
Bleep-bloop... Jay is a vicegrip garage fan... Wasn't expecting that callout 🤣🤣
I literally was going to see if anyone caught that reference or if I was nuts. VGG and J2C need to do a colab.
Mr Bieri. I got excited. 😂
He's referenced Derek quite a few times over the years.
You must be a new viewer, he's been talking about Derek for years :) love to get a crossover one day
jay is a car guy so its not surprising
My parents wouldn't know how to build and set up the software on a PC. With the shop guarantee, this is a great deal. Thanks.
I thought the single stick of RAM thing was over, otherwise I feel that is a good deal on the PC. Like you said, a novice builder is likely to pay $120 for windows, and even some more experienced builders who are sketched out about the discount keys so readily available. I use those keys, and have had zero issues, but I understand why someone might get nervous about them.
I suspect that is how Ibuypower (I actually like their prebuilts for what they are and what they cost) makes their profit, they likely only pay about $15 per copy of Windows, and certainly get some extra margin buying parts by the thousand or ten thousand. I work for a company that uses a lot of cable and wire, the main wire we use costs about $1.25 per foot at Home Depot or Lowes, and that product is a lower quality wire, my employer gets it for thirty cents per foot, because we buy ten million feet at a time. I doubt Ibuypower gets that much of a bulk discount, but probably just enough to make those builds profitable.
Yea most people don't understand the back end economies of scale. Manufacturers often bulk sale parts for pennies over the cost to manufacture them.
Some guy crying about "a couple cents there's no reason to not include the screws", if every screw cost $0.05 to manufacture and bag, and they'd need 1 billion screws, that's 50 million $ of extra cost. I'm just using round numbers for clarity, but many companies simply cannot eat "just a few pennies" that adds up to millions of dollars.
You guys rock always here to support you and the channel. This is great holding sponsor accountable I appreciate it!
My first gaming computer was an I buy power. Other than their aio water cooler being junk and needing to replace it i am beyond happy with mine. *edit* forgot they plugged my aio pump into fan 2 instead of the dedicated pump on my mother board fixed that with the replacement i did
That fan 2 thing...💀. There is good reason why CPU fan and chassis fan use different headers.
Thank you for doing things like this, it is a big reason I have been following you on TH-cam since you started. Keep up the great work everyone at JTC.
I LIKE. As a Canadian I'm proud of my boy, Linus. Doesn't mean others can't do it. Hold companies accountable. The more who do this the better. Legit looking forward to watching how you do this. NICE!
I caught and loved the VGG reference about bleep blooping in the comments, so here i am LOL. Thanks Jay
Hey there Jay.. another quick comment..
Nice video. (watched to the end). I’m glad to see them making a decent PC. Seems like a really solid build for the $$
Cheers
Rick
Single channel RAM in 2024 is a joke
yeah that's pretty wild. my 2015 build from ibuypower had dual channel, albeit xmp not enabled at the time but whatever. just a flip of a switch
@@lurtiskoeyea but dual channel DDR-3 probably running at like 1666 Mt/s is nowhere close to DDR-5 running at 5400 Mt/s
More of this please Jay, and to keep in line with Steve, do a Rant please at the bad case you bought… LOL. Great video, and I hope once you have moved, more new things from your channel.
"It's crazy that Asus would put a BIOS Flashback on the back of the mobo but not a clr-CMOS."
It's because it's a requirement, Jay. AMD mandates ANY B650 boards and up to have CPU-less BIOS updating feature.
That doesn't preclude them putting a clear CMOS button on the back too though. The fact that AMD requires the BIOS button doesn't negate his statement about the CMOS button, which was the whole point.
@@StephenBeaudet It does though? Jay said he was surprised it didn't have the cmos button because it did have the bios flashback. Budget motherboards are not going to include features like that unless they have too, hence why they have the bios button, not the cmos one.
@@Goober2289it's something that should be required on all motherboards. It's a cheap implementation that costs maybe a dollar for a button and a few more cents for running a trace or two. In the grand scheme of mass production such a feature costs just a few cents.
The fact that it's even mentioned that there is no motherboard manual included so that the first-timer can look for themselves - makes it an issue.
@@RealGreyGhost ok
@@RealGreyGhost quit being lazy and wire your own button in.
lol. When you refer to the box it shipped in. A few years back I ordered a Cyberpower PC on Newegg. Showed up at my apartment complex in the Cyberpower box with all the specs on the outside, and didn’t need a signature or anything so they just left it in the lobby. Lucky I was home when it showed up so I could run down and get it.
Same with the Asus monitor I’d ordered at the same time.
Love these videos..
I love you dude, watched a bunch of your videos to build my first pc, then haven't for awile, back on your channel just because.
I’ve been gaming for about 30 years now, I’ve had all kinds of keyboards, and a membrane keyboard with anti ghosting is by far my favorite!
i used to say that until i started FPS and MMO on a cherry red board. now im running a cherry laser and it's absolutely incredible. light, quiet, and consistent in the long term
@@ghomerhust thank you for the comment! I want to love mechanical keyboards but couldn’t find one I like. I don’t think I ever tried Cherry switches. I’ll save this thought for my next keyboard!
@@ghomerhustI'm the other direction. I think MX Blacks are nice, but could be a little heavier.
That is a pretty good deal, for a new pc user. For a more experienced builder, the only difference (windows excluded) is that buying the parts separately they would have the original packing for each item. That is useful if anything goes wrong, if you wanted to RMA a component or if later you wanted to resell a component.
But nice work IbuyPower.
‘I hate these retainers! They really don’t do anything except make the case look a little prettier..’
Says the man with ALL the RGB in every build. 😂😂😂
Hopefully IBuyPower takes this unboxing review to heart. If they correct the handful of packing discrepancies - MOBO manual, chassis parts kit, M.2 screws, etc. - they would truly have a customer-centric killer value.
This constant music while trying to listen to Jay talk, is MADDENING... I hate it.
A few years ago, I bought one of their prebuilt systems, just to get the parts I wanted to upgrade my gaming rig. I put my old parts in the new case along with the other things I didn't need, and sold them to a friend at work for $250. He got a smokin' deal on a media center PC, and I got a good deal on the mobo, CPU, and RAM I wanted. Win-win. Not all prebuilts are for everyone, but they do have a place. All the best to you, Jay. And like the shoutout to Derek!
So... did you buy power?
no I buy power.
Power was sold out when I checked
@@cyberturkey77WE buy power.
Did not. I have the power already.
By the power of Greyskull!
Always love seeing these videos. Love seeing TH-camrs make sure what they get paid to promote is good
Regarding the single stick: This is DDR5 16GB is a n00b trap with DDR5 because 8GB ddr5 modules have half the bank groups which has the same performance impact as only having one stick. You essentially pay the same performance penalty whether it's 2x8 or 1x16. Personally I think 1x16 is the better option simply because it opens the door for moving over to 2x16 at a later point in time whereas with 2x8 you'd be stuck with four bank groups instead of eight unless you completely removed the 8GB modules and replaced them with 16GB. Keep in mind a single stick is still dual channel all by itself, when you add a second stick you're actually going quad channel so the penalty for a single stick isn't as much on ddr5 as it is on ddr4.
DDR5 splits the DIMM's 64-bit connection into two sub-channels of 32 bits each. But mainstream CPUs still have the same 128-bit total width for their DRAM controllers, so you still need more than one DIMM installed to use all the (sub)channels provided by the CPU's memory controller. Just something I found.
For DDR5 systems, they should have 32GB of memory (2X16GB). 2 sticks should be used for all builds. It might not be a deal breaker for some, but it's wasted performance, with little justification to do so. Prior to 2020, 16GB was enough but I think 32GB is sufficient for most "normal" users and has been the new standard for at least a couple years.
Very sad that Deepcool is sanctioned, I used their fans for every build. Great prices, quiet, great air flow/pressure, rgb worked with every manufacturer, and they lasted forever.
Basically the same price as a PS5 Pro with Disc Drive and Stand + TAX? Not bad! but ye, shoulda filmed the ordering process and unboxing!
Derp, the PS5 Pro stands on its own and the disc drive is *OPTIONAL*.
@@tim3172They'll still sell you a stand.
@@tim3172 then why are sony selling a stand are you saying they are selling a scam product that does nothing?
Small note, but having the twist ties makes it so much easier to maintain if a user needs to ad or remove something. I actually wish it was more common because I was helping someone work on the PC recently and those zip ties where the BANE of our existence
Also pull a zip tie to tight will damage PVM wiring.
Secret shopper videos are underrated but you have to show the order process and unboxing…
you ready for the order process? It was called amazon.
Was taking it out of 2 boxes and foam not unboxing?
a VGG reference on a jayz2centz video is something i did not expect today but damn did that make me smile. derek is the man!
That cooler is a collectors piece. It was bought after the ban and is AMD, despite it only being available with intel. Rare bird.
Is deepcool banned as a whole? What happened? I don’t remember hearing anything about them at all
@@ThatWarlockBoi some kinda chinese sanction.
@@ThatWarlockBoi They were bypassing existing sanctions using shell companies to sell product to Russia. So they now are sanctioned. Any company that has their stock for OEM, can still use current stock until sold out. Retailers can either sell current stock or remove from inventory
@@RealGreyGhost Kazakhstan moment: (this is quite stupid, honestly. Anyway, nice to know that stuff will be cheaper now, next time i would need a cooler)
@@ThatWarlockBoiDeepCool's parent company was selling tech to Russia. That got them on the naughty list.
I'm really liking the new music. It adds a level of freshness to the video that makes me think we're getting a new level of JTC content. As it turns out, we ARE getting some fresh new content!
It's not new content to the PC community, but your perspective of secret shopper was one I wasn't expecting but was super curious to look at. You don't give fancy charts, you don't have things measured to NASA science levels of craziness. . . you're just a smart dude that's down to Earth. Honestly, that's what makes your video, in my opinion, superior to other channels for this specific genre. Prebuilds are going mostly to people who don't know exactly what they're doing but want to get into PCs, so your video being dumbed down compared to LTT and GN. . . perfect!
I'll definitely be looking forward to more of these from you. Keep up the good work Jay and team!
GN's attitude towards pre-builts is more or less "the machine you can recommend your family buy when they ask you". They assume their viewers are knowledgeable, but for whatever reason aren't building their own.
It always bugs me when i see motherboards in a larger case than they should be.
I'd say it leaves room for expansion, but they don't include expansion provisions anymore.
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I do laugh when modern cases with no drive cage are longer front-to-back than my 90s mid-tower that hung the drive cage over the motherboard to save space.
I love how the case has an access to the top of the motherboard. i wish more casees did that.
I mean ibuypooer might be someones first computer, no one is getting an 8300 rig without knowing something about computers
Well...there are a lot of 'more money than brains' people out there. Don't over estimate the intelligence of the public.
ive been building PCs since the late 90s for a living (over 4500 systems built, about 80% were gaming rigs). one of my best customers was an old lady that always ordered the top gaming hardware every single year, and all she did was use windows paint to touch up digital scans of old photos. but it was 4-5 grand every single year. she simply wanted the best hardware, whether or not she was actually going to USE it.
You’re exactly right, I’m doing my second build and spend about 8 grand for my build. My first build I had a 3080 with $150 motherboards and underpowered CPU’s because I didn’t know what I was doing and spent a lot of money to learn years later I didn’t do any favors for myself by cheating myself by cutting corners just to say I had a 3080. Now for my second build after a while of learning through trial and error, the guy at micro center I knew more about PC’s then some of his co workers….. but the hours of research so I can get the build I want with the performance. Yeah for sure someone can spend that money and not know how to use it but if your spending money like that with ignorance you can afford tech support 😂
@@sinformant Does that include people who spell "overestimate" as two words?
@@tim3172 LOL
More of this please. Its one thing to promote a company (which I'm totally okay with) but its another thing to actually check what they promise.
Thank you for giving an honest review on your sponsor. I THINK THAT ALL TH-camrs should do this for ALL their sponsors (Cough cough "Betterhelp")
That PSU look like it would burst into flames if you dare to put anything better than a 4060 in there. I looked at the PSU tier list and couldn't find an entry for it... But it could be as low as E tier. Being "gold rated" means very little these days.
it's on there, speculative c-tier.
if it's a LEGIT gold rating, then it's solid. but, there's been a LOT of faked ratings on crap PSUs popping up. just like the fake AMD 7900x processors people have been getting from large online retailers
"look like it would burst into flame"
Source: trust me, bro.
Should there be a list of real 80 Plus certified power supplies? There are plenty fakers out there...
The foam can be a real blessing sometimes. I bought a tablet from Amazon some years ago. When I got it, it had a big tear on the side of the box. Even going through the retail box. There was a thin layer of foam against the tablet screen inside the retail box. The foam had been compressed just a little but no damage on it. And nothing on the screen itself. I think I did report it to Amazon, with pictures, but that was about it since the product itself wasn't damaged.
most gamers prefer the mouse to be as light as possible, especially for shooters. heavy mouse is fatiguing.
My new high-end Razer mouse feels like it could be blown off my desk by a mouse with asthma.
Yes. A light mouse is the best, even for normal use to reduce strain. You don't need a special ergonomic mouse to save your hand then.
my G502 with all the weights installed is TOO LIGHT for my big grubby hands. i have to claw grip that huge mouse because it's not big enough. thats what i get for turning wrenches since the early 90s
there is a quality feeling light mouse and then there is the aliexpress toy light mouse
And then there's us few poor, suffering trackball gamers.
Better than linus' secret shopper video where he bothers and picks on minimally trained, poorly paid understaffed call center employees trying to do a job to survive
You should get a new job if you are minimally trained, poorly paid, and working for a understaffed call center.
if they're "minimally trained staff" that's an issue, Linus never states it is their fault. It is clearly as you say down to poor training and that absolutely is an issue that should be highlighted.
Well... it's part of the shopping experience.
"Bothers"? "Picks on"? You shouldn't be shopping for a PC, you should be shopping for a dictionary.
@@ShojiAkio Elitism, party of one. Elitism, your table is ready, but probably not good enough for you.
Thank you for watching out for not only new people to the PC world, but for us that are frustrated with the PC market as a whole.
great thing about those cards, they're perfect for Optiplex builds, just plug in and play
I love the idea of you doing secret shopper videos on prebuilts. And I see what you did there Jay, incorporated your love of cars into this stream. "bleep bloop it down below" - Vice Grip Garage
With consoles getting "higher" in cost (They're actually lower thanks to inflation, but whatever) these budget PC videos are golden and perfectly timed, Jay & crew. 💯
Correction, “higher” compared to other recently released consoles. My info was a tad dated, haha.
I'd like to see some more budget builds with maybe some used market parts🤷🏽♂️ 1070 is usually around $110 or less in some places👀 Anyways keep up the great content! 💯🤙🏽
IEC mains cables need to be compliant to certain standards.
This is because their universal nature aka you could and can plug them into another device.
These cables either pass or they don't, but it's not allowed to manufacture a cable that wouldn't handle lower currents (power).
The sanctions only stop you from doing business with the company. It's technically NOT a ban of their products at all. People get put on the OFAC sanction list too. The only reason sanctions works is because most banking systems in the world use US dollar in some shape or form. So if the US government sanction someone it means you can't pay them with the USD, so instead of trying to get around that (you can), most banks will rather just not deal with them which means buying their products as store or retailer (or builder) is basically impossible.
So you can buy them from a retailer or whatnot of existing stock. You can still use them. You can gift them or sell them to someone else. Some retailers like Microcenter [probably] took them off their shelves since they can't pay Deepcool the proceeds of the sale, so rather than deal the accounting of that, it's easier to just stop selling in general.
I'd like to see more of this. This video reminds me of the pre built reviews GN did 2-3 years ago. It's almost like an homage to it, from the testing to the teardown after the testing, but shown before testing.
I like twist-ties over zip-ties. They're reusable, less fuss than velcro cable straps, and all around more versatile.
I love the cutout in the case above the CPU power plugs, so easy to get that top left 8 pin on.
I received an email from a “sponsor” asking to add their product to my channel.
I asked for a review sample, then said no. On top of that payment was only based on sales.
So, hard pass…
wow. there should a crowd sourced or creator sourced list of scamy sponsors.
Missed pro: The extra cutout on the top. If you have to pull the motherboard or upgrading it, that cutout will come in handy when time to plug the top cables in. No more having to reach in through the side panel and squeezing in between the fan and top of the case.
Missed con, maybe: You can try to find the mobo manual online, but that wasn't the case from my experience a few years ago. Even though the part is name brand, it may still be a proprietary part not available at retail. In my case it was an Asrock mobo that didn't exist in the wild, so there simply was no manual for it. I had to research to find out it was similar enough to one of their retail boards that I could use that manual for most things. Getting the BIOS updates was also proprietary and had to be obtained direct from the SI (Cyberpower in this case). It was not available from AsRock at all.
my first PC i ever got was from Ibuypower around 4 years ago and the case was an absolute hotbox. not to mention my front panel was acrylic instead of tempered glass, and the back panel had half of the clips removed because it sucked, glad to see they improved a lot
Great video as usual Jay. If you could run some check with Micro center maybe or manufacturer. In the last few weeks I ordered 2 new motherboards that did not come with a manual. An MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk max wifi and a Asus TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI ATX. I build Pc's for friends and coworker and it's the first time that I have encountered that. Don't know if its a new trend but If I wasn't a little experience I would have struggled.
Back in the day I bought a big IBM PC for a small fortune on a lease deal. Best buy ever.
When I picked it up I was told their finance department was running behind so they would send me the paper work and bill, a few days later they send me a letter saying they were still behind and would be in touch - they new did.
I didn't in any way try and hide that I got the PC, signed for it, registered the warranty thing with IBM and son on... only I never got to pay for it. I could properly have called them and insisted they should take my money, only as a student money wasn't plentiful so instead I put their letter in a picture frame, hang it on my wall and when someone asked I said I was sponsored by Big Blue 😊
I love that you nonchalantly quoted Derek.
This was awesome. Thank you, Jay!
Nice Derrick-ism!!! VGG family for ever!!
I have an IBuyPower laptop, it's over 10 years old now, still works just fine...apart from how slow it is, due to how out of date the spec is these days!!
not me having to take a picture of a MOBO so i can zoom in to read it lol. Great video idea and breakdown. By the way, those silly retention flaps are mostly used on enterprise cases, and carried over to consumer. They were meant to allow IT guys to change hardware without having to use a screwdriver and fiddle with screws. Just take off two thumb screws and you're in.
These basic entry level sale systems are also popular for people who want to save cash by buying them when they go on super sale or clearance, and then upgrading some parts like CPU/RAM with parts they get on sale elsewhere.
My boss scored an iBuyPower AM4 PC on clearance for $300, and then upgraded it with a 5700X3D he got on sale somewhere else. Then he sold the R5 5500 for $50 on FB marketplace. Total cost was $450 for a system with a 7800X3D and a 6700 XT.
465GB is what a 500GB drive formats to in Windows (476 GB if you have a 512GB SSD). It doesn't indicate the presence of a recovery partition. Just an FYI. Deepcool is also present at Microcenter again.
I always had good luck with ibuypower first gaming pc back 15 years ago was ibuypower then I got another later on and built my own from then on out but recently got an nzxt player 3 because of you showing it to me haha.
18:00 phil knowing when to zoom in while balancing that big camera a foot over his head. great work.
Vice grip garage peekin through, I love to see it!
Love the VGG reference. Bleep blooping it away
mixed feelings, seems like fair pricing for a prebuilt, my guess is they get discounts by purchasing by the pallet... however still disappointing... just the oddball mismatch of components; albeit the mobo is not terrible probably about the best I've seen in a prebuilt the ram and the ssd which I'm assuming is an NVME variety they would of been better off pricing higher for more of a balanced product, it's impossible to find a prebuilt I could recommend to anyone... as it stands I get laughs out of the blue box store pre-builds... as a side note I'm not upset by the cable management at all... it's not terrible looks halfway decent I've seen way worse I'd give it a solid B, over all B+ to A- for the build...