completely agree, Alienware computers are the worst, charging premium price for less than minimum. I've purchased 4 Alienware desktops over the years, my last one was a 10700F + 3060Ti, I was getting CPU bottlencked in some games so I tried to upgrade to a 11900K, then the problems began. First of all, the case will only support 1x120mm top exhaust, that's it, no room for more exhaust at top even though there totally is room for it; and no room for rear exhaust because it's kinda form-factor; fine, I don't need to overclock 11900K, stock performance will be enough, then no matter how I was only getting 80% stock performance, after extensive research, turns out the motherboard is the cheapest crap there is, and cannot deliver enough voltage to run 11900K to reach stock performance. But I gotta thank Alienware to make a self-builder out of me, it forced me to become an expert so I don't get "scammed" again. On the other hand though, Alienware monitors are actually top of the line; been eyeing on this for a while and finally got my 3423DWF last month on a nice discount, can't argue with the results, the monitor bring games to life.
I have an Aventum X. I had the same issue with temps. I posted about it on their forums, and they sent me a replacement side panel with venting over where the fans are. It was not tempered glass like the original cover, but instead some type of acrylic panel. The temps drastically improved and can sustain at great levels. I'm surprised this isn't standard now.
Exactly my thought on that. The easiest fix for airflow would be using mesh vents where the fans are... Why even put any fans if they're going to be behind solid glass???? 😅
For the amount of money the system costs, they could also drill some holes in the glass panel where the fans are. Or cut port holes for the fans and either leave them open or install mesh behind them.
Digital storm amazing model - 8500$ Customer “it has no airflow somehow when there are 12 fans” Digital Storm: “sorry you have to purchase air flow for an additional 2000$”
So I have a great system that one of the 4 NVME drives under the mobo's own cooling fin plate always seems to heat up. It's also closest to the GPU. So i just removed the glass on the case, opened it like an intake scoop on a car. Then set a floor fan on the ground, that gets into case and cools me off at the same time. problem solved.
"It needs to be cooler!" Thermals guy said. "Oh, ok. We'll put lights, awesome patterns on it, and make the side panels glass, that'll look cooler, right?" Said the design team.
This case looks like it is the size of mine but unlinke mine this one has no airflow. even the underside of my case got holes for the fans. pretty poor design for that money.
i realized immediately that the fans were mostly all for aesthetic value and not for thermals lmao -- atleast its all water cooled to compensate for the lack of airflow lmao thats just insane for the price, i cant imagine paying that much for cooling solutions for only a third of them to actually do something
@@ZeroGravitas187 I hate to admit it... however all of the really high end, with high quality bearings and balanced SP and CFM, with RGB and wireless connectors are all pretty expensive, no matter who the make.
I remember back in 2009, I was about to build my first computer and had researched all the parts, but then I saw a Digital Storm ad and checked them out. I was able to get the same parts I had picked out for the same price as ordering them myself, within a few dollars. And they overclocked it for a $35 fee, which wasn't something I was comfortable with doing back then. I only fully replaced that computer in 2020 (I had made many upgrades). Boy, have they changed.
I bought a low end build from them nearly 10 years ago came it this crazy looking case with a box just like that and a literal binder with all my warranty paperwork and everything else. The box had a preview window in it so you could see the build even before fully opening it.
@@ZeroGravitas187 i just did a test mockup for how this thing could cost so much and yeah 8500 is scarily accurate. Plus shipping costs would average ~500$USD depending on where ye live
Right? Even the cooling loop is very basic and just black tubing with clear coolant. The main case lighting only having an on/off switch is pretty ridiculous as well.
@@konev13thebeast I don't know man, this particular build is wildly overpriced and badly designed... I'm not an SI expert since I always built my own PCs since 1991 but I would never go for an SI that chokes all the airflow with glass. That's PC building 101. If I had to choose an SI, I would go for Falcon Northwest, they are much more competent from what I've seen
@@konev13thebeast yes looking at the pro line of workstations they seem to be much better with mesh in front of the fans. Still, I think Falcon Northwest is better, they are more consistent and they even fine tune the BIOS to optimize and extract the most performance while maintaining thermal balance
@@EnricoAnsaloni Most of the "well-known" SIs will go for looks rather than performance, when selling to customers. And that crappy case sure have bling...
@@xzerohunter aw, so it is not always as hardening as I expected it to be... I have seen thread lockers used in cars, maybe this is why they are so strong. Thanks for the info
This is like someone took Porsche parts and shoved them into a Camry and made them prettish. They then deliver it to you with no oil or gas in the engine but they give you gas and oil in separate containers and hope you read the fine print before you try to crank it up. All for the price of a full-blown Porsche.
@@answertopie Imagine paying this amount of money and then have some question or inquiry about something just to be told to go to their Discord server. The difference between DS target audience and market (rich) and the company support for its customer seem not lined-up.
Their discord exists to be a sales platform and free peer to peer "assistance" pretty much. Anything serious and the sales reps that are actually on the company discord just tell you to send in a email to the actual techs in the company. It is very much geared towards the average "i know nothing about PC's" crowd.
The drain tubes have quick disconnects on them. You have several places to drain the system with the quick disconnects that are integrated into the loop.
You also need a blower fan to force the fluid out of the system. How do I know…I had to buy one as recommended by their tech who was “helping me due to an issue I had”.
Thank you, Jay! I thought it was just me. I had a DS Velox X and I had to get rid of it. It was frying my internal components. Air flow is not DS's forte. Ended up building my own system with lots of air flow and way lower temps. Great vid!!
It kinda looks like they're just retrofitting an old case and shoving a ton of expensive water cooling in it to make up for it being terrible for cooling. It's a looker, for sure - but if you're buying this, you're probably just doing it as a flex or you don't know anything about custom PCs.
Welp this case almost looks like mine except the glass panels and that every side of the case , including the under side has good airflow. they fucked up pretty hard. the only cool thing is the tower for the drives.
My system was not a billion miles off that price when I first built it. I've enjoyed every second I owned it. Massively increased my productivity, and it has been very future proofed. My biggest problem over time has been cooling, which has degraded over the years.
that why you can't put your mb upside down ! even all writing are upside down hozontal mb like I have is good for heavy gpu ( prevent from cracking) or vertical
I bought a laptop from them. $2200 and took 11 days to arrive. Worked awesome. Only issue I had with mine was that you had to hold the power button for about a second to get it to start up, and it did not matter what you set in settings, it would not use the nvidia graphics while on battery.
Support is meh! I had an issue with mine. Got the first call back…he said he would call back to help me install some replacement parts and flush system but alas no call back. Figured it out on my own. Got tired of emailing for help.
A good example of the saturation in those short tests is seeing the difference between the start and ending temperatures. Just seeing how much hotter it is after the benchmarks are done shows it's becoming significantly more saturated
When the brute force method for case airflow matches the brute force method for getting the damn thing out of the box. . . and we still don't get all the cooling performance we paid for. I 100% agree that there needs to be fan grills for every radiator on that thing. They were probably told this by many outlets since the dawn of this colossus, and they're just like ". . . nu uh" every time. I don't think they listen to anyone that doesn't fork over $8k+ for these behemoths, and the ones that do most likely have more money than sense.
The Aventum is one of those cases that's so over the top that it almost has nothing to do with your typical gamer-level consumer. This one is seems like a demo of how much stuff can we cram into an already huge case--not how best to use it, but just how many boxes we can check on a tech list. I'd be more interested in the Velox if I were serious about a new tower.
Jay describing how to do the side panel with just a glass door that screws on and sits on top of a mesh panel. Me: Oh, you mean just like my Lian Li 216? Yes, it really is a well thought out and well priced case. I agree, Jay.
This is like a Jay mod I want to see tried.. Especially for sidepanels that don't even have a good mounting mechanism worthy of the pricepoint---just thumbscrews.
Sorry but not possible. You can't cut tempered glass, it's just not possible. All you will get is a heap of small glass cubes as the pane shatters. All holes or edges has to be done prior to the glass being tempered. So adding air intakes would require you to get a new glass pane done with the required holes for the fans.
That would be nice, but even drilling a tiny hole anywhere on that glass will result in *_"spontaneous and violent disassembly"_* of the panels. You could do it with polycarbonate or acrylic panels, but those are insanely more expensive.
As soon as I saw those glass doors I was like 'Yeah, this doesn't have the airflow for all those fans I already see.' I don't know why case makers keep making cases that restrict airflow over prioritizing it when it comes to high end builds.
The fact they HAVE the case for correct airflow is even more mind boggling. I want to meet the dent that thought slapping fans/rad next to glass was smart
- Vegeta, what is the price of this hunk of crap? - IT'S OVER 8000! And it comes with a cheap RGB remote like you get on AliExpress! [Crush remote] - Over 8000? It can't be! It have ZERO air flow! It's all wasted! - I trained the Kaioken price multiplicator, your wallet is going down!
Distro-plates are awesome, and can make it easier and cleaner to make a custom loop… But if you’re paying about $4K for workmanship, I’d expect some pretty sick bends on those tubes!! I had more complex bends on my first hard tube build! -_-
My simple air cooled build I made last year cost only maybe around 25% of what this build cost and even I am seeing better temps on my simple build than Jay is with that behemoth. Wild! It's amazing what proper ventilation can achieve.
My computer from falcon northwest was 7600$ but it rocks. It’s the first iBm compatible pc that I didn’t build myself. I have had a computer since the early 80s I used to have my own business in Michigan building them and repair out of my house when I was the only one that knew how to build computers nobody did it back then wish she would have back then anyway, I like your content. Have a good day.
With your logic Jay, aircraft would fall apart in the air, screws don't come loose, unless they were not tight in the first place. For this price, why didn't they have holes cut in the glass and mesh behind, On the Corsair website the fans are cheaper.
All important screws in aircraft are tied down with safety wire. In piston aircraft even the oil filter is safety wired. Torque will hold 99% of bolts/screws, but not always.
Being in HVAC and dealing with airflow's quite a bit, I've always hated the fans being mounted directly on the radiator with literally no room for those fans to build +/- static. A friend of mine 3D printed a 1" spacer for a 360 radiator and the airflow through the radiator was night and day! I know it's all about saving space and money but feel these manufacturer's could do better in this area. Look at the money and time spent on that cooling system your reviewing only for it to be held back by simple airflow etc. I'm waiting on my 3D printer to arrive and will be building more spacers and trying different thicknesses. Just my 2 cents lol. Appreciate all your content!
I don’t want to sound like I’m flexing but I think I spent around 6.5-8k on mine. 14900kf, z690 maximus extreme, suprim x liquid 4090, 32gb gskill 7200, phanteks evolv X. Im running a full custom loop that has external 1080x60mm, 420x80mm, 420x45mm rads, and dual D5 pumps.
What I love about Jay he is not a kissass he will give you his honest opinion everytime good or bad.He cant be swayed by money/promotions thrown at him. Thats what we need.
Thank you for being honest about this who setup and speaking up for the voices that would HAVE been sucked into there circle of no where when it comes to there protocol for support and lack of support inside the box. ❤
Sadly I can confirm what Jay said about Alphacool's version of the D5 pump. I bought one in April 2023 when they had a drive and it worked flawlessly until one day in July this year when it suddenly started to sound like a fan inside the chassi got something in it. Except, it was a few of the blades in the impeller that had loosend. I disassembled it and sent it back and got a new one. I haven't started using the new one cause something makes a noise of vibrations now. I don't know if it is the new pump per say, or of it is just the vibrations affecting something else. It hurts me to say this because I've been true to Alphacool ever since my first AIO loop that was expandable, and I have a love for German engineering. I had wished I heard this from Jay sooner, but at least I know now.
On my 14900KS and 4090 system with a MoRa 420, I have two D5 pumps in series on the MoRa. Each pair of 13/10 quick connects (2 male and 2 female) drop the flow rate by 0.4L/min with the pumps at full speed. I've got a pair into the case and another pair on the CPU block for easy LM replacement. Without quick connects the full flow was 5L/min. All of the quick connects in that system are a major flow inhibitor with a single D5! An external MoRa 420 with 4 x 200mm fans at about 1000 makes far more sense for cooling top end systems.
You kind of need a laser to do that. And not just any laser, has to be a special laser capable of cutting tempered glass. But finding someone with the equipment to do the job and paying them hundreds of dollars to make the $8300 PC not suck sounds about right, I guess...
In the middle of the Pandemie i once had a Customer who ran to Dozens of Glaziers and wanted to have a Mesh drilled into the Glasspanels of a similarly stupidly arranged Pair of Radiator fans... few attempted the Task but no one succeeded. This wasn't even possible with new special Glasses and Water Jet Cutters. After the Customer had invested an additional one and a half Thousand €uros in this more than 10K€ Computer, the Customer gave me his expensive special Construction to Dismantle and I then built a reasonable System in a TT TheTower900 for another 1000€.
@@LotsaThingsNstuff i was thinking the same. Like dayum they already have the circles in the design go head nn laser cut circles out for air. Or if they could do like a glass mesh design with a laser would be sick. I have a feeling they would still fuck up the mesh idea tho. I feel like the big companies will try what ppl want but execute the idea poorly
@@TalkLoudSayNothingit seems the whole build is custom made So someone makes the glass for them ( or they do ), whoch means they should be able to get the equipment, doesnt it ? Or is it possible to be making custom tempered glass without the cutting equipment ?
Solid bottom on the case? Mod the bottom to create airflow. Get to keep the cool glass stuff. If there is space, move fans to the bottom as intakes with filter screens covering them. No room for fans? Still get airflow.
Have you thought about building an agitator to put your watercooler builds on? Having the vibration loosen all the air bubbles in the system might help.
Ettore Bugatti would be turning in his Grave if he were to see this Comparison between this carelessly cobbled together Hodgepodge of expensive Components and what is being driven on the Roads under his Name today...
Protip, for such large boxes and you know there is a layer of foam or other impact absorbing material between the box and the contents, stick your razor blade knife into the box on the bottom and cut the box all the way around leaving the bottom of the box as a tray the product is sitting on and the rest of the box is a cover to be lifted. Then lift the cover half of the box away exposing the product and it's protection sitting on the box tray. Last separate the protection and the product for the first lift since receiving it or otherwise the same step if you cut open the box flaps without having to manhandle it up to that point. Save allot of heavy awkward lifting this way though makes for a fun tape job if you need to RMA it.
Imagine having the brain cells to know it wasn’t a sponsored build / review. It was literally said at the start. DS has been around for Many years and there have a huge place where it’s built in house. Been there had the tour, seen the custom builds and product testing that does out for overclocked pcs. It’s not a one man band show
Inverted masterpiece! Seeing that it is personalized I guess this will maybe be a new editing machine? Looks like it will do anything you want, very nicely
It isn't a "premium price tax", it's price gouging. I would guess their customers are one of two types. They tell someone to get a computer for them, or they just go "give me the best". But make no mistake, they are just gouging. If you had the time, or wanted to bother, re-configure the fans, especially the bottom ones. Make the air flow on the bottom one way. And then take those glass panels to a glass cutter. Holes for all the fans. This thing is bragging rights for those that can afford it, and a mockery for those that know about computers.
Water cooling is very expensive now. I’m currently building a similar spec pc and the hardware was $3800. Water blocks, rads, fittings, cables, and miscellaneous other parts were another $1350. Total was $5,150 in parts. That was with 10% off and bundle pricing at micro center for hardware, performance pc 15% discount for water cooling parts, and cable mod for cables. 7800 x3d, 4090 tuff, 2 tb Samsung pro, distro plate, o11 evo rgb. Lian li fans, two 360 rads.
As a result: RAM - no airflow, chipset - no airflow, SSD - no airflow, HDD cages - no airflow. The temperature at the CPU is just crazy!! The assembly is bad.
As someone who isn't playing budget hero, I love seeing stuff about PC goods for those of us not trying to game or play hobbyist with only the loose change found under the couch cushions.
For an $8k computer that is poorly designed enough to cause a greater than 10c cooling delta when you use the case as designed, I think you're being extremely generous. For that money I expect not only complete, up to the minute accurate instructions, but a video to go with it and a concierge phone number and/or chat to use if I have problems or just want my hand held.
especially this one. the power plugs visible and unused don't look good. If your computer was $3K I'd forgive it. Not for $8k and then paying for blocked off radiators?
When I was in 5th grade my aunt got me a magazine subscription to PC World cuz I liked video games but this was the closest thing in the catalog she let me pick from. I'll never forget there was a specific one in december with gift ideas ranked by price and the #1 was a $20k Maingear PC called the "shift desktop". Absolutely blew my mind as a little kid a computer could cost so much and I had no clue what "specs" were. It's fr what got me into loving computers, and now ocer a decade later at 22 I have a CS degree from UCLA and work for Qualcomm in San Diego. Also skunkworks blew my little nogging too haha
I still don't know why we can't just get a case with 2x 360mm or 2x 420mm rads on the top. I have a O11 XL and it is 280mm wide, so the width would not be a problem, just increase the height of the case by 60mm and make a duct system to to pull in fresh air from the sides of the case to feed the rads.
I like your idea for the custom frame on the front. I think i would put a sheet of PMMA (scratch resistance better than Plexi) in the bottom with a lot of holes for airflow and still see the fans the way they made it. Also put large mesh on the bottom with fans.
That water must be running at a crawl with all those radiators, disconnect fittings, and distribution plate. I'll bet that's where most of the bad temperature is coming from. When I made my first custom loop, making my pump go from 30-40%(Had it set here at first because I was new to it and was trying to "preserve" my pump not realizing I was crippling my system) to 100% dropped system temperature by easily 20°C or more if I recall. Max water speed is very important. If the water isn't moving fast enough then components don't get a fast enough flow of "fresh" water to help control the temperatures.
I think the included QDC pair is so you can do a vacuum fill. The GPU lines rotate out of the way and you patch in your vacuum + fluid supply there. Do a vacuum fill there, reconnect the GPU, then either run the pump to fill the GPU or repeat the same steps by patching into one of the CPU lines (which should now be completely filled). If you have a pair of male QDC fittings, you could also just vacuum fill the GPU directly before reconnecting it to the system.
The server/workstation case looks far better than the "gamer" case and even looks more gamer. The frame around the window and the transition to the mesh basement is really well done and looks sci-fi without having to glue on greebles to sell it. If I were to buy a PC from them i think I would go with the professional build options and then just build it myself to cut off the overpricing of "pro" hardware.
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I learned a long time ago that expensive doesn't always mean great (looking at you Alienware).
Alienwere would'nt even be great if it was free
No it means alien great looking not men great looking
completely agree, Alienware computers are the worst, charging premium price for less than minimum.
I've purchased 4 Alienware desktops over the years, my last one was a 10700F + 3060Ti, I was getting CPU bottlencked in some games so I tried to upgrade to a 11900K, then the problems began. First of all, the case will only support 1x120mm top exhaust, that's it, no room for more exhaust at top even though there totally is room for it; and no room for rear exhaust because it's kinda form-factor; fine, I don't need to overclock 11900K, stock performance will be enough, then no matter how I was only getting 80% stock performance, after extensive research, turns out the motherboard is the cheapest crap there is, and cannot deliver enough voltage to run 11900K to reach stock performance.
But I gotta thank Alienware to make a self-builder out of me, it forced me to become an expert so I don't get "scammed" again.
On the other hand though, Alienware monitors are actually top of the line; been eyeing on this for a while and finally got my 3423DWF last month on a nice discount, can't argue with the results, the monitor bring games to life.
Anything prebuilt is a rip off.
Alienware makes good monitors though
I hate that companies have gone from websites/forums to Discord for support and documentation. Discord is NOT meant for documentation.
Not to mention Discord changed their search function so it's BY CHANNEL now and no ability to search all channels. Absolutely obnoxious
@@ObservationofLimitsthat’s completely wrong, you can still search all channels with no problem.
Companies being lazy and also wanting to hand off responsibility while making information harder to get ahold of is peak capitalism yes.
@@DevinRAR no you can't
@@Martin-xh1hd Yes you can, i just tried it. Stop being so confidently wrong.
Jay handling the knife like he's about to be JayzTwoFingers
Fingerz
I had "Shake hands with danger" playing in my mind
😆
COTD right here
🤣🤣 Nice Mafia name !
I have an Aventum X. I had the same issue with temps. I posted about it on their forums, and they sent me a replacement side panel with venting over where the fans are. It was not tempered glass like the original cover, but instead some type of acrylic panel. The temps drastically improved and can sustain at great levels. I'm surprised this isn't standard now.
Exactly my thought on that. The easiest fix for airflow would be using mesh vents where the fans are... Why even put any fans if they're going to be behind solid glass???? 😅
For the amount of money the system costs, they could also drill some holes in the glass panel where the fans are. Or cut port holes for the fans and either leave them open or install mesh behind them.
You massively wasted your money.
@@RezaQin ok
8K and zero airflow, for a system you could build yourself for 4k with awesome cooling.
This is aimed at time poor, money rich market. For some of us time is more precious than money. Rather go do something fun than play cable custodian.
@@lucidnonsense942 You'd pay $4000 to save yourself a day of building this?
If your hobby are computers, you will always save money.
Man...I should become an SI.
Different target audience and market because it's for someone who money isn't the problem, and they are always busy.
Digital storm amazing model - 8500$
Customer “it has no airflow somehow when there are 12 fans”
Digital Storm: “sorry you have to purchase air flow for an additional 2000$”
literally charging for air.
So I have a great system that one of the 4 NVME drives under the mobo's own cooling fin plate always seems to heat up. It's also closest to the GPU. So i just removed the glass on the case, opened it like an intake scoop on a car. Then set a floor fan on the ground, that gets into case and cools me off at the same time. problem solved.
.." FANS ARE FOR LOOKS, ONLY, SIR.
For 8 grand it should have its own air conditioning unit.
sorry this is a stupid pc
As soon as I saw the giant glass panels in front of those fans I was just like _"clearly the one thermals guy was shooed out of the design meeting"_
"It needs to be cooler!" Thermals guy said.
"Oh, ok. We'll put lights, awesome patterns on it, and make the side panels glass, that'll look cooler, right?" Said the design team.
"Guy's not here. Lets finish the design before he bothers us with science."
This case looks like it is the size of mine but unlinke mine this one has no airflow. even the underside of my case got holes for the fans. pretty poor design for that money.
i realized immediately that the fans were mostly all for aesthetic value and not for thermals lmao -- atleast its all water cooled to compensate for the lack of airflow lmao
thats just insane for the price, i cant imagine paying that much for cooling solutions for only a third of them to actually do something
I want Steve from Gamer's Nexus to savagely review this for an hour.
I would find it cathartic.
There's enough radiator in this PC to cool a small suburban home in New Jersey and it can't even cool a stock 4090 💀💀
New Jersey?! Heck it can cool some home in New Mexico, Walter!
@@yakumoyukari4405waltuh...
Say my name......@@yakumoyukari4405
Its because they put glass in front of the fans. Air doesnt go through glass 😂
$900 on fans and they didn't use iCUE Link, they used their old Commander Pro, that's wild.
Icue sucks the program is not good and always has issue
Those fans still cost $630 at amazon that's insane.
$900 for 14x fans...that is beyond even Lian Li unifan territory
I could buy a brand new mid-end gaming PC for the price of those fans. WTF?!?
@@ZeroGravitas187 I hate to admit it... however all of the really high end, with high quality bearings and balanced SP and CFM, with RGB and wireless connectors are all pretty expensive, no matter who the make.
I remember back in 2009, I was about to build my first computer and had researched all the parts, but then I saw a Digital Storm ad and checked them out. I was able to get the same parts I had picked out for the same price as ordering them myself, within a few dollars. And they overclocked it for a $35 fee, which wasn't something I was comfortable with doing back then. I only fully replaced that computer in 2020 (I had made many upgrades). Boy, have they changed.
Line goes up at a heavy cost
I'd love to see the airflow with the smoke machine.
What airflow? 😂
@@AliYassinTomaGood one mate..
@@AliYassinTomaEven better
what airflow ,there is no airflow to test
@poliwharaslah965 like bro, they might as well add a sealer around the fans 😂😂
Price is why I found your TH-cam channel to give me confidence to build my own custom loop PC. Thank You for what you do.
Wow, poor attention to mechanical details and awful thermals with an overkill custom loop. Sounds like a killer deal!
You buy, I give you discount.
Dunno why companies continue to put fans right behind a piece of glass
For show...
How else will gamers see all the RGB?
glass pressed against the fans.. I won't be able to sleep tonight as this concept warps my brain. WTF?
I immediately wonder what the dust patterns will look like on that fancy glass after a month...assuming it moves enough air.
Charging that much for a system & apparently spending ZERO time on optimising the build is borderline criminal
I'm so happy I can build pcs myself and use aircooling.
for 8k id expect a happy ending too.
Only one?
@@johnt.848 lol
😂
I bought a low end build from them nearly 10 years ago came it this crazy looking case with a box just like that and a literal binder with all my warranty paperwork and everything else. The box had a preview window in it so you could see the build even before fully opening it.
Drive the point home if they dont listen....and send it to Steve.
And build the same system, more efficiently and cheaper
The shipping bill would be a killer. Come to think of it--maybe that is where the missing $2,800 went. UPS.
Ya...send it to Steve and let him do an investigation on the stupidity of the builder!
@@ZeroGravitas187 i just did a test mockup for how this thing could cost so much and yeah 8500 is scarily accurate. Plus shipping costs would average ~500$USD depending on where ye live
Dood Steve would burn ❤️🔥 them so bad 😅
Finally, a build that keeps all of the heat in the case!
Good for Siberia.
It's to keep your room cool. It's a feature! 😂
I’d be super disappointed in that build for 8k. Maybe that’s just me.
Nope not just u. Case sucks
I'm baffled, to be honest. This build is so bad that it's comical.
Right? Even the cooling loop is very basic and just black tubing with clear coolant. The main case lighting only having an on/off switch is pretty ridiculous as well.
yup! That case is worthless. Literally any other case with air flow and it would be better.
This is a worthy candidate for GN's "Disappointment build". Steve would have a field day with this one😬
I love how whenever there is any kind of physical struggle - "NICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC"
I'd rather build it myself, slap a Peerless Assassin on it and renovate the wife's bathroom instead. 8K SMH
This is one of the silliest, most wasteful builds I've ever seen. Doesn't inspire much confidence in this brand
I recently bought a DS pc. Personally would buy again even with the markup being about 30-40%
@@konev13thebeast I don't know man, this particular build is wildly overpriced and badly designed... I'm not an SI expert since I always built my own PCs since 1991 but I would never go for an SI that chokes all the airflow with glass. That's PC building 101. If I had to choose an SI, I would go for Falcon Northwest, they are much more competent from what I've seen
@@EnricoAnsaloni oh yeah, Im not defending this design, but the company overall is usually pretty good
@@konev13thebeast yes looking at the pro line of workstations they seem to be much better with mesh in front of the fans. Still, I think Falcon Northwest is better, they are more consistent and they even fine tune the BIOS to optimize and extract the most performance while maintaining thermal balance
@@EnricoAnsaloni Most of the "well-known" SIs will go for looks rather than performance, when selling to customers. And that crappy case sure have bling...
I am happy that Corsair thought about the air ventilation when they designed their obsidian 1000D tower.
For a system that cost over $8,000, I am sure that using thread locker blue would have kept screws in place.
Even thread locker green which about as thread locked you would want on this thing.
Wouldnt it be an issue when servicing ?
Especially if its out of warranty and the client decides to take a look by himself, for instance ?
@@mghell34thread lock is mainly used for vibrations. The white color version is for if you never want it apart XD
yea was wondering how in beginning Jay let them get away with the loose screws
@@xzerohunter aw, so it is not always as hardening as I expected it to be...
I have seen thread lockers used in cars, maybe this is why they are so strong.
Thanks for the info
This is like someone took Porsche parts and shoved them into a Camry and made them prettish. They then deliver it to you with no oil or gas in the engine but they give you gas and oil in separate containers and hope you read the fine print before you try to crank it up. All for the price of a full-blown Porsche.
Good lord this thing is bigger than Phil.
Allmost everything is bigger than Phil. SCNR
@@rainerbehrendt9330 Missed a opportunity to put Phil in the case box. :) They should add "Phil for scale" for every case review.
this video is a huge "build your own" ad if you ask me.
thanks for the vid Jay
Really missed an opportunity to make it OVER 9000
well in the original Japanese version it was actually OVER 8000 so they achieved it :D
Eh I say it's more like 1006.
Add another 4090, problem solved
Amazing job by Digital Storm in designing a case that manages to nullify a massive liquid cooling loop. That takes serious ineptitude.
Any company that sends you to a discord server to give support should go out of business.
They are leveraging free resources, why pay people for dedicated customer service or support when they can use "community" to solve it which is free.
But that’s not fair right. You would be paying this premium for support included.
@@answertopie Imagine paying this amount of money and then have some question or inquiry about something just to be told to go to their Discord server. The difference between DS target audience and market (rich) and the company support for its customer seem not lined-up.
Their discord exists to be a sales platform and free peer to peer "assistance" pretty much. Anything serious and the sales reps that are actually on the company discord just tell you to send in a email to the actual techs in the company. It is very much geared towards the average "i know nothing about PC's" crowd.
Could be worse, could be Dell cs.....Dell where everyone is called Dave!
When you put up 8K for a PC the instructions should be a book not a few pages. I agree 100% Jay.
a handwritten leather bound hardcover tome with gilded edge pages *
I've put together crazy expensive build on PC Part Picker but of course never hit the order button. Glad to see J let the intrusive thoughts win
They probably sent this to him for free
Impulsive.... but yeah this was sent for free.
Nice outlines for the fans on the tempered glass, I'm sure that helps the air flow way more than having holes there.
$8,000 and there are gripes is frankly not ok in my book. Heck, $4,000 and gripes is still not ok.
PC gaming in 2024, I mean imo both intel and amd crapped the bed with their latest cpus and I wouldn’t really call either one cheap.
The drain tubes have quick disconnects on them. You have several places to drain the system with the quick disconnects that are integrated into the loop.
You also need a blower fan to force the fluid out of the system. How do I know…I had to buy one as recommended by their tech who was “helping me due to an issue I had”.
If I paid for a 900 dollar fan, it better be made out of gold.
With the price of gold you would get a small fan.
Not to mention the weight of gold.. would need some hefty bearings
Even if it didn't spin, it would still be as useful as the ones they supplied.
Thank you, Jay! I thought it was just me. I had a DS Velox X and I had to get rid of it. It was frying my internal components. Air flow is not DS's forte. Ended up building my own system with lots of air flow and way lower temps. Great vid!!
It kinda looks like they're just retrofitting an old case and shoving a ton of expensive water cooling in it to make up for it being terrible for cooling. It's a looker, for sure - but if you're buying this, you're probably just doing it as a flex or you don't know anything about custom PCs.
Absolutely correct
Welp this case almost looks like mine except the glass panels and that every side of the case , including the under side has good airflow. they fucked up pretty hard. the only cool thing is the tower for the drives.
My system was not a billion miles off that price when I first built it. I've enjoyed every second I owned it. Massively increased my productivity, and it has been very future proofed. My biggest problem over time has been cooling, which has degraded over the years.
Digital Storm are far to overpriced
How do you expect the CEO to buy his Porsche.
I love the fact that the MB just says "eh" instead of "43" as post code upside down (have a look: 18:58)
that why you can't put your mb upside down !
even all writing are upside down
hozontal mb like I have is good for heavy gpu ( prevent from cracking) or vertical
Seems like a high profit margin product at that price point. The support they provide is great from what i've heard, and read.
I bought a laptop from them. $2200 and took 11 days to arrive. Worked awesome. Only issue I had with mine was that you had to hold the power button for about a second to get it to start up, and it did not matter what you set in settings, it would not use the nvidia graphics while on battery.
4000 parts, 1200 water cooling, 800 labour and shipping. 6k, so about 25% margin. With warranty and accessories and so on, it might not be that high.
Support is meh! I had an issue with mine. Got the first call back…he said he would call back to help me install some replacement parts and flush system but alas no call back. Figured it out on my own. Got tired of emailing for help.
A good example of the saturation in those short tests is seeing the difference between the start and ending temperatures. Just seeing how much hotter it is after the benchmarks are done shows it's becoming significantly more saturated
There’s a mistake in the viewsonic ad. The XG2536 is 25” not 27”.
When the brute force method for case airflow matches the brute force method for getting the damn thing out of the box. . . and we still don't get all the cooling performance we paid for. I 100% agree that there needs to be fan grills for every radiator on that thing. They were probably told this by many outlets since the dawn of this colossus, and they're just like ". . . nu uh" every time. I don't think they listen to anyone that doesn't fork over $8k+ for these behemoths, and the ones that do most likely have more money than sense.
No offense to anyone. I'll just iterate that I would LOVE to have more money than sense. I have little of both unfortunately.
For $8300 just have your closet turned into a walk-in freezer, go hit up a closing restaurant and bid on their setup
The Aventum is one of those cases that's so over the top that it almost has nothing to do with your typical gamer-level consumer. This one is seems like a demo of how much stuff can we cram into an already huge case--not how best to use it, but just how many boxes we can check on a tech list. I'd be more interested in the Velox if I were serious about a new tower.
You would think at that price, they would cut the glass, either with vents, or a big oval for those fans.
Their shop forgot to do that, i'm sure they meant to.
Jay describing how to do the side panel with just a glass door that screws on and sits on top of a mesh panel.
Me: Oh, you mean just like my Lian Li 216? Yes, it really is a well thought out and well priced case. I agree, Jay.
"A solid piece of object" ....... jay 2024
Well, it IS solid, that was the important part
I hate it when pricey means extravagant, untested, unreliable, botched, flashy, blurgh...
it would be cool to cut the glass where the fans are and put mesh there
I was thinking just yank it off entirely and go full plexy glass and with a screen mesh attachment, for both sides.
This is like a Jay mod I want to see tried.. Especially for sidepanels that don't even have a good mounting mechanism worthy of the pricepoint---just thumbscrews.
Sorry but not possible. You can't cut tempered glass, it's just not possible. All you will get is a heap of small glass cubes as the pane shatters. All holes or edges has to be done prior to the glass being tempered. So adding air intakes would require you to get a new glass pane done with the required holes for the fans.
That would be nice, but even drilling a tiny hole anywhere on that glass will result in *_"spontaneous and violent disassembly"_* of the panels.
You could do it with polycarbonate or acrylic panels, but those are insanely more expensive.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 the more you know🧐
As soon as I saw those glass doors I was like 'Yeah, this doesn't have the airflow for all those fans I already see.' I don't know why case makers keep making cases that restrict airflow over prioritizing it when it comes to high end builds.
The fact they HAVE the case for correct airflow is even more mind boggling. I want to meet the dent that thought slapping fans/rad next to glass was smart
Even though you were gifted this, I like how honest you are Jay! This is a beauty but a warm one.
I want to see what Steve has to say about this in a GN pre-built vid.
Steve says he's hungry send pizzas and also a gf he's still a virgin he's trying to have some babies in Taiwan I know but it is what it is
- Vegeta, what is the price of this hunk of crap?
- IT'S OVER 8000! And it comes with a cheap RGB remote like you get on AliExpress! [Crush remote]
- Over 8000? It can't be! It have ZERO air flow! It's all wasted!
- I trained the Kaioken price multiplicator, your wallet is going down!
"One thousand milliliters"... Say One liter.
Both are correct, get over it
Distro-plates are awesome, and can make it easier and cleaner to make a custom loop… But if you’re paying about $4K for workmanship, I’d expect some pretty sick bends on those tubes!! I had more complex bends on my first hard tube build! -_-
if i have to pay $8000 for a pc my highest temp better be 45 degrees top
look man even the kryotech refrigator compressor cooled pc's didn't cost half this much even adjusted for inflation.
My simple air cooled build I made last year cost only maybe around 25% of what this build cost and even I am seeing better temps on my simple build than Jay is with that behemoth. Wild! It's amazing what proper ventilation can achieve.
TRUE!!!
My computer from falcon northwest was 7600$ but it rocks. It’s the first iBm compatible pc that I didn’t build myself. I have had a computer since the early 80s
I used to have my own business in Michigan building them and repair out of my house when I was the only one that knew how to build computers nobody did it back then wish she would have back then anyway, I like your content. Have a good day.
With your logic Jay, aircraft would fall apart in the air, screws don't come loose, unless they were not tight in the first place. For this price, why didn't they have holes cut in the glass and mesh behind, On the Corsair website the fans are cheaper.
Thank you saying this.
All important screws in aircraft are tied down with safety wire. In piston aircraft even the oil filter is safety wired. Torque will hold 99% of bolts/screws, but not always.
Being in HVAC and dealing with airflow's quite a bit, I've always hated the fans being mounted directly on the radiator with literally no room for those fans to build +/- static. A friend of mine 3D printed a 1" spacer for a 360 radiator and the airflow through the radiator was night and day! I know it's all about saving space and money but feel these manufacturer's could do better in this area. Look at the money and time spent on that cooling system your reviewing only for it to be held back by simple airflow etc. I'm waiting on my 3D printer to arrive and will be building more spacers and trying different thicknesses. Just my 2 cents lol. Appreciate all your content!
And I thought the $2300 PC I just built was expensive.
no thats actually about right, you did well i think. I dont what you put in it but thats not to bad.
I’m here still thinking about $2000 I wasted as well lol
@johnniewalker3134 32GB of Ram, 7800X3D, and a 4080 Super. Works for me.
I don’t want to sound like I’m flexing but I think I spent around 6.5-8k on mine. 14900kf, z690 maximus extreme, suprim x liquid 4090, 32gb gskill 7200, phanteks evolv X. Im running a full custom loop that has external 1080x60mm, 420x80mm, 420x45mm rads, and dual D5 pumps.
@@Luftschlag_ I think i spent like 7k on mine. Its only 5 years old but it has a 3090 so im not to bad i guess.
What I love about Jay he is not a kissass he will give you his honest opinion everytime good or bad.He cant be swayed by money/promotions thrown at him. Thats what we need.
Keep on, Jay. You lost quite a bit of weight :) really nice.
Thank you for being honest about this who setup and speaking up for the voices that would HAVE been sucked into there circle of no where when it comes to there protocol for support and lack of support inside the box. ❤
1000 Milliliters , otherwise known as a Litre. lol
Yeah, just like those powerbanks, 20000mAh, also known as 20Ah, but hey, more numbers is more, right?
Sadly I can confirm what Jay said about Alphacool's version of the D5 pump. I bought one in April 2023 when they had a drive and it worked flawlessly until one day in July this year when it suddenly started to sound like a fan inside the chassi got something in it. Except, it was a few of the blades in the impeller that had loosend. I disassembled it and sent it back and got a new one. I haven't started using the new one cause something makes a noise of vibrations now. I don't know if it is the new pump per say, or of it is just the vibrations affecting something else.
It hurts me to say this because I've been true to Alphacool ever since my first AIO loop that was expandable, and I have a love for German engineering. I had wished I heard this from Jay sooner, but at least I know now.
You can't deny that it does look awesome...
On my 14900KS and 4090 system with a MoRa 420, I have two D5 pumps in series on the MoRa. Each pair of 13/10 quick connects (2 male and 2 female) drop the flow rate by 0.4L/min with the pumps at full speed. I've got a pair into the case and another pair on the CPU block for easy LM replacement. Without quick connects the full flow was 5L/min. All of the quick connects in that system are a major flow inhibitor with a single D5! An external MoRa 420 with 4 x 200mm fans at about 1000 makes far more sense for cooling top end systems.
Cut the glass out for the fans, it'd look and be cool
You kind of need a laser to do that. And not just any laser, has to be a special laser capable of cutting tempered glass. But finding someone with the equipment to do the job and paying them hundreds of dollars to make the $8300 PC not suck sounds about right, I guess...
In the middle of the Pandemie i once had a Customer who ran to Dozens of Glaziers and wanted to have a Mesh drilled into the Glasspanels of a similarly stupidly arranged Pair of Radiator fans... few attempted the Task but no one succeeded. This wasn't even possible with new special Glasses and Water Jet Cutters. After the Customer had invested an additional one and a half Thousand €uros in this more than 10K€ Computer, the Customer gave me his expensive special Construction to Dismantle and I then built a reasonable System in a TT TheTower900 for another 1000€.
@@TalkLoudSayNothing I meant that would fix the design not for him to do it himself lol
@@LotsaThingsNstuff i was thinking the same. Like dayum they already have the circles in the design go head nn laser cut circles out for air. Or if they could do like a glass mesh design with a laser would be sick. I have a feeling they would still fuck up the mesh idea tho. I feel like the big companies will try what ppl want but execute the idea poorly
@@TalkLoudSayNothingit seems the whole build is custom made
So someone makes the glass for them ( or they do ), whoch means they should be able to get the equipment, doesnt it ?
Or is it possible to be making custom tempered glass without the cutting equipment ?
Solid bottom on the case? Mod the bottom to create airflow. Get to keep the cool glass stuff. If there is space, move fans to the bottom as intakes with filter screens covering them. No room for fans? Still get airflow.
Have you thought about building an agitator to put your watercooler builds on? Having the vibration loosen all the air bubbles in the system might help.
I read this 3 times before I figured out autocorrect got you. I was so confused about what I missed. LOL
I totally thought you said "Alligator" for a sec. LMAO
@@jasonmurray7604 for the watercolors ?
It would cause more screws to fall out too😂
@@johnthegiant320 I missed that, thank you! It has been corrected lol.
I built a 10,000 rig. Curious to see what this one is all about.
Do I NEED a Bugatti Veyron? Nope. Do I WANT a Bugatti Veyron? YYYUP!!!
Ettore Bugatti would be turning in his Grave if he were to see this Comparison
between this carelessly cobbled together Hodgepodge of expensive Components
and what is being driven on the Roads under his Name today...
Now imagine that Bugatti had glass in front the air intake leaving only 3 mm gap ...
@@petrusiusmaximus Imagine how he would feel knowing it's VW designed and powered.
Protip, for such large boxes and you know there is a layer of foam or other impact absorbing material between the box and the contents, stick your razor blade knife into the box on the bottom and cut the box all the way around leaving the bottom of the box as a tray the product is sitting on and the rest of the box is a cover to be lifted. Then lift the cover half of the box away exposing the product and it's protection sitting on the box tray. Last separate the protection and the product for the first lift since receiving it or otherwise the same step if you cut open the box flaps without having to manhandle it up to that point. Save allot of heavy awkward lifting this way though makes for a fun tape job if you need to RMA it.
you should send it over to Steve just for him to have a complete breakdown lol
Reminds me of 2017-2019 cases…all show and no go. But it's a nice heater once you let the system heat soak for a while and open the side panel.
Imagine sending an $8K build as a sponsor to a TH-camr only to get criticized to hell 😂
Imagine having the brain cells to know it wasn’t a sponsored build / review. It was literally said at the start.
DS has been around for Many years and there have a huge place where it’s built in house. Been there had the tour, seen the custom builds and product testing that does out for overclocked pcs.
It’s not a one man band show
Inverted masterpiece! Seeing that it is personalized I guess this will maybe be a new editing machine?
Looks like it will do anything you want, very nicely
It isn't a "premium price tax", it's price gouging. I would guess their customers are one of two types. They tell someone to get a computer for them, or they just go "give me the best". But make no mistake, they are just gouging.
If you had the time, or wanted to bother, re-configure the fans, especially the bottom ones. Make the air flow on the bottom one way. And then take those glass panels to a glass cutter. Holes for all the fans.
This thing is bragging rights for those that can afford it, and a mockery for those that know about computers.
The glass cutter part if your comment was my first thought. I felt like they forgot to cut out and put mesh on the holes instead of leaving it solid.
Water cooling is very expensive now. I’m currently building a similar spec pc and the hardware was $3800. Water blocks, rads, fittings, cables, and miscellaneous other parts were another $1350. Total was $5,150 in parts. That was with 10% off and bundle pricing at micro center for hardware, performance pc 15% discount for water cooling parts, and cable mod for cables. 7800 x3d, 4090 tuff, 2 tb Samsung pro, distro plate, o11 evo rgb. Lian li fans, two 360 rads.
As a result: RAM - no airflow, chipset - no airflow, SSD - no airflow, HDD cages - no airflow. The temperature at the CPU is just crazy!! The assembly is bad.
Mostly, but the new AMD parts will shoot for 95c by default with PBO as he said. So if it stays even a bit under 95c the CPU will remain at max boost
But, wait-the glass is cool.
As someone who isn't playing budget hero, I love seeing stuff about PC goods for those of us not trying to game or play hobbyist with only the loose change found under the couch cushions.
🤡
For an $8k computer that is poorly designed enough to cause a greater than 10c cooling delta when you use the case as designed, I think you're being extremely generous. For that money I expect not only complete, up to the minute accurate instructions, but a video to go with it and a concierge phone number and/or chat to use if I have problems or just want my hand held.
This man is Right.
Thanks for the look at this system Jay...... I might have to order one for myself!
who needs an 8k puter ? NOBODY.
a few people but this ain't it at all
My brother-in-law does a lot of heavy 3D rendering, mapping and drone work which requires shit like this. So, some people.
@@SnidgetAsphodel yeah but i bet he's smart enough to build his own threadripper for 8k instead of this.... THING
who needs a car? nobody you have legs.
especially this one. the power plugs visible and unused don't look good. If your computer was $3K I'd forgive it. Not for $8k and then paying for blocked off radiators?
When I was in 5th grade my aunt got me a magazine subscription to PC World cuz I liked video games but this was the closest thing in the catalog she let me pick from. I'll never forget there was a specific one in december with gift ideas ranked by price and the #1 was a $20k Maingear PC called the "shift desktop". Absolutely blew my mind as a little kid a computer could cost so much and I had no clue what "specs" were. It's fr what got me into loving computers, and now ocer a decade later at 22 I have a CS degree from UCLA and work for Qualcomm in San Diego. Also skunkworks blew my little nogging too haha
I still don't know why we can't just get a case with 2x 360mm or 2x 420mm rads on the top. I have a O11 XL and it is 280mm wide, so the width would not be a problem, just increase the height of the case by 60mm and make a duct system to to pull in fresh air from the sides of the case to feed the rads.
I like your idea for the custom frame on the front. I think i would put a sheet of PMMA (scratch resistance better than Plexi) in the bottom with a lot of holes for airflow and still see the fans the way they made it. Also put large mesh on the bottom with fans.
Luv your videos jay keep them coming m8
That water must be running at a crawl with all those radiators, disconnect fittings, and distribution plate. I'll bet that's where most of the bad temperature is coming from. When I made my first custom loop, making my pump go from 30-40%(Had it set here at first because I was new to it and was trying to "preserve" my pump not realizing I was crippling my system) to 100% dropped system temperature by easily 20°C or more if I recall. Max water speed is very important. If the water isn't moving fast enough then components don't get a fast enough flow of "fresh" water to help control the temperatures.
I think the included QDC pair is so you can do a vacuum fill. The GPU lines rotate out of the way and you patch in your vacuum + fluid supply there. Do a vacuum fill there, reconnect the GPU, then either run the pump to fill the GPU or repeat the same steps by patching into one of the CPU lines (which should now be completely filled). If you have a pair of male QDC fittings, you could also just vacuum fill the GPU directly before reconnecting it to the system.
Long time since i was watching this channel the one thing that surprised me the most is that my man put some weight on.
I knew it was gonna be cool but when I saw that JTC logo… purely amazing!❤
The server/workstation case looks far better than the "gamer" case and even looks more gamer. The frame around the window and the transition to the mesh basement is really well done and looks sci-fi without having to glue on greebles to sell it. If I were to buy a PC from them i think I would go with the professional build options and then just build it myself to cut off the overpricing of "pro" hardware.