Hii Madison here! I would like the record to reflect that I thought Nami had lied to Arlong - I thought that the map container thing was a setup. I thought she handed Arlong an empty tube when she left with him and left Luffy to die. I BELIEVED.
I think a lot of the “Nami is peak waifu” comes from current Nami. She still has a lot of growing to do, but that’s one of the things I love about One Piece. The characters grow so much over the course of the story.
"Folks who eat a well done steak must have the mandipular strength of a hippo" I... Im not sure whether to take that as an insult or a compliment... but it feels like both.
When she was like "Her mom better be a slave or pirates killed her hometown or they are blackmailing her or something" last episode I flipped out laughing in schadenfreude, waiting for this.
To Nami's credit... she was the only person in the ENTIRE village that had the guts to do anything about their oppression. However, I do agree that, after all that time she spent with pirates, she was naive to think that Arlong wouldn't do her dirty in the end.
She sought Arlong out, yes, but the way saw it was that the village was either going to be fucked until she got the money, or they were fucked indefinitely. It was a lose-lose but only one even offered a glimpse of freedom. And yes she offered herself up, but the end scene makes it clear that Arlong had no intention of ever letting her or her village off the hook.
I agree with your take. The show runners made some changes to make Nami more sympathetic, but in the end I think they made her a worse person. Originally, Nami is kidnapped by Arlong and made a slave, so the village plans a suicide mission to rebel and save her. To avoid that, Nami joins Arlong's crew so she's seen as a traitor, not a captive, eventually making the deal with him. Her sister also knows the plan the whole time and the two girls stay close; in fact the reason her sister gets tattoos is to match Nami and make her feel better about the Arlong tattoo. The village eventually learns about the plan, but they feign ignorance and ostracize Nami hoping she'll give up and live a happy life. In this version when Nami joined Arlong, did no one think to question that? Her sister and the town who knew Nami her whole life just assume she's a pos?
Arlong didn't break his word. Part of the deal was, that Nami brings him the money by sunrise. She didn't do it. The reason for that doesn't really matter. So he is a rotten fish stick but he didn't technically break his promise. So based on that Nami wasn't wrong to trust Arlongs words. It is more of a monkey paw situation. You have to take the loop holes into account as well. Based on your reaction I am 80% sure you would find the anime's take on Nami's story way more satisfying. :)
@@AnimeDateNight Not attacking the village wasn't part of the deal either. His words were 'Bring me the money [...] and I consider the matter closed." You can interpret it as "I am not going to attack the village unless you bring me the money." but he didn't say that explicitly. As I said Arlong isn't by any means the good guy or justified in what he is doing, but he didn't break the contract.
I think what nami did honestly was the only way and the best way. Its obvious she was playing the long game, and yes she extorted her village for him but it was to eventually free her village. If she hadn't there would have been no end in sight but now that there was a set goal for their freedom she is willing to do what ever to make it. Nami didnt join him so that he would stop exploiting them i until she got the money she joined him so that he would stop when she got the money.e literally would not have been able to prevent arlong using them but she knew her villiage is strong and they would be able to handle it. She did what she could do in that situation. So id give her more credit she was a child who was willing to basically join a gang and be chained up for years just drawing maps for other people. I don't see any of the adults in the villiage having courage like that. So yea she could have apologized but she didnt need to she wouldn't have been able to stop the extortion during the time at all. At least she was working to end it. that's how i see it at least.
What Nami did wasn't a great idea but it was the idea of a child. And at this point in the story she is still just a teenager who grew up with pirates. What else does she know? Ijs. Loved watching you two react. And yes, I've seen the anime.
I think a large majority of the One Piece community would disagree with your opinion about Nami and her motives, but you have a right to your opinion, so fair enough. I won’t try to change your mind. You seem pretty fixed to it.
I (Madison) want to like her sooo much more than I do. I rooted for her when Arlong showed up, I was CONFIDENT she was playing Arlong to protect the crew. I was wrong. I'm hoping I like her more moving forward. I'm given to understand there are some key differences between the manga/LA and I'm looking forward to the manga story
this is interesting because Madison have been crying over everything and she didnt cry over "help me" scene where it's mostly where people came to love the story also there is a big difference between the original and this adaptation, in the original all the villanger and Nojiko always knows from the start about Nami sacrifice but act angry to keep Nami facade strong
A couple of people have highlighted the differences in this episode. From what I can tell, every criticism I have on this ep is addressed in the original material. 🤷♀️
I actually liked and never heard it from that perspective on if she wants to seem like shes doing it all to be the better person in the end. She indulged in horrible descisions that hurt others. Will her charcter as a person really change later on? This is coming from someone who empathized more with nami expecially after stabbing her arm and seeing it was all for nothing Brutal
Most people would have written Nami off after the betrayal. Zoro and Usopp are proof. Only Sanji and Luffy kept the faith. Luffy and the word intelligence should never be in the same sentence, but Luffy does have a gift of reading people for who they really are. He also has a gift of getting into trouble. This gift is usually a curse and a comedic situation for the rest of the crew most of the time , but there are times we’re it is a real blessing because it allows Luffy to seek out the most dangerous obstacle and deal with it as the captain of the Strawhats should b
_"Most people would have written Nami off after the betrayal. Zoro and Usopp are proof. "_ NGL, I knew folks were gonna come for me (Madison) cos I've been given to understand Nami is peak waifu/fan fave material but I'm holding on to the above like a gotdang life raft lmao
I just read the description, am halfway through watching, but what you said is totally fair. They really cut a lot of corners here in the live action and did some weird things to make up for it. It's easy for long-time fans to look over it because we can fill in the blanks with what we know from the anime and manga. This arc in the anime/manga is much deeper and makes perfect sense all the way through. In the anime, for example, Nami was taken by Arlong and THEN they made the deal. I have no idea why they made Nami approach Arlong instead. I'm happy with what we got here overall, but there are some issues for sure. Watching your reaction here made it a bit more obvious just how much is out of whack TBH 😅 I'd be super interested to see how you find this part of the story in the anime in comparison to the Live Action if you guys end up watching it 😊 would be cool!
If Nami had been kidnapped and then been like, "listen buster, we're gonna bargain," OMG I probably would have reacted differently cos GO OFF LIL SIS! But for her to approach him, set up the deal, etc. that didn't sit right with me. - Madison
I truly think there is a huge misunderstanding here…. I hope to explain some things. I know I’m behind on this channel, and I know you are caught up. I hope this fills in gaps. In the “source material” Nami was left mentally scarred by the events that occurred. The villagers caught the children and told them to run away from the islands and to never come back. All of that to save Bellemere and the two kids. (If the kids didn’t arrive at the house, Bellemere could lie her way out of it.) But before the children could stop crying, Bellemere announced she had 2 daughters. She did this because of 2 reasons. 1. She knew the villagers would tell her children to run away. And she knew that wasn’t a life she wanted for her kids. 2. Each Marine believes in his/ her own brand of Justice. Bellemere’s Justice was telling the truth and being an honorable person. She tried to live to that creed her whole life. So her sacrificing herself saves her kids, and lets her die with her integrity intact. Afterwards Nami became obsessed with money. Because in her mind, money could have saved Bellemere, and she never wants to go through that loss again. She doesn’t decide to join Arlong, she’s in fact kidnapped for her nap making skills. In this state, she creates the plan to buy the village back. She hates Arlong, but sees him as the solution. Remember she’s like 7 years old. She’s naive. And because of this, she clings onto the hope that the deal will be honored. Growing up Nami saw no use for friends because all she thought about was getting the $100M Berry. No matter the cost. So she pushed everyone she loves away. She lied, cheated, and stole her way throughout life to reach her goal. In her mind it was a small sacrifice to make to free everyone she loved. She set herself to be the bad guy to save the village. The village initially upset about Namis teaming up with Arlong, eventually found out what she was doing. And tried to keep her cover. So they acted like they hated her. All while keeping an eye on her from a distance. Nami does not do this to be malicious. She does it out of necessity to save her village. She feels trapped in a hopeless situation. Living a life with no one by her side has made her weary of trust. Which is why she doesn’t ask for help. She takes the burden on herself and it breaks her. Luffy agrees to help Nami because he is an excellent judge of character most times. He knows everything she did wasn’t because she was a bad person. In Nami, he sees a person in need of desperate help. Something he will never ignore or turn away from. 🏴☠️
you: 1. "Oh, it'll get you ki//ed?" 😃👍 "Go for it! You're a grown man! You're making the biggest mistake, but go ahead and get yourself ki//ed! Yes!" 2. "It's totally okay for Zoro and Luffy to fight against people they can't win against! How dare Nami be worried and looking out for Zoro! How dare Nami save Luffy from getting eaten by a fishman!"
You're actually the second (or third?? lol) ever reacter I've witnessed feel this exact way about Nami with this live action experience! Noice tho' I am sorry about all the dramatic "reacters" in these comments XD the One Piece fandom doesn't show its true colors usually until you're just about caught up to the anime. This is a first for me !
The way people are commenting, we guess Nami is just that popular? - Corbin PS - thank you for the warning. We know of some intense fandoms and didnt realize One Piece would be as well - tho lolol as I'm thinking about it, theres over 1000 episodes so anime watchers are invested.
Come on Madison you have to remember she was in slaved and obviously wouldn't trust anyone so easily it honestly better in the anime the live action do okay but u feel it more in the anime
Definitely enjoyed what you had to say. To me, it has to do with how much they had to change the scene in order to make it all fit within their time constraints. Just know, if people are mad with you about how you don't understand Nami and how you would understand it better in the original, then that just means you are right with your judgement. You judged the show with what it gave you and found flaws within it. Nothing wrong with that.
It's refreshing to see someone side with Zoro here 3:53, not necessarily because he's right, but a lot of people just side with Sanji on this one. In my humble opinion neither of them are right, Zoro takes it at face value, and Sanji is... well, it would seem Nami could've done practically anything and he'd believe in her. Both of them could be said to be naive in this scenario.
she lies, lies lies lies lies - but then tears are supposed to absolve everything? People lie with tears ALL THE TIME and she talked repeatedly about having conned the team. Based on what is this not an extension of manipulative behavior?? (btw I'm not angry, just passionate
If you’ve watched the anime first, you might hate her even more that this😂 (spoiler) there aren’t any scene of her being sympathetic to the crew, just constantly being a greedy b*tch that tags along. Even after the reveal of her motivation she still does some questionable things and I was so conflicted about her. But all of that concludes well with in-depth explanation and emotional scenes to make us understand in the end. So yea. This arc is definitely the weakest compared to the anime, while Sanji’s was kinda weak there.
I agree with Madison here. I still prefer the anime take on Nami and Usopp story. But they did a good job with pretty much the rest of the characters and their stories. Although i enjoyed Garp in the anime but it's kinda fresh to see Garp taking his job seriously 😂
Hii Madison here! I would like the record to reflect that I thought Nami had lied to Arlong - I thought that the map container thing was a setup. I thought she handed Arlong an empty tube when she left with him and left Luffy to die. I BELIEVED.
I think a lot of the “Nami is peak waifu” comes from current Nami. She still has a lot of growing to do, but that’s one of the things I love about One Piece. The characters grow so much over the course of the story.
"Folks who eat a well done steak must have the mandipular strength of a hippo"
I... Im not sure whether to take that as an insult or a compliment... but it feels like both.
🤣🤣
Here to find out if Madison still hates Nami’s guts after the backstory
HAHAH same “fuck nami” i was like damn…
When she was like "Her mom better be a slave or pirates killed her hometown or they are blackmailing her or something" last episode I flipped out laughing in schadenfreude, waiting for this.
Same
To Nami's credit... she was the only person in the ENTIRE village that had the guts to do anything about their oppression. However, I do agree that, after all that time she spent with pirates, she was naive to think that Arlong wouldn't do her dirty in the end.
She sought Arlong out, yes, but the way saw it was that the village was either going to be fucked until she got the money, or they were fucked indefinitely. It was a lose-lose but only one even offered a glimpse of freedom.
And yes she offered herself up, but the end scene makes it clear that Arlong had no intention of ever letting her or her village off the hook.
For me, Nami is a portrayal of women these days. They are strong. Never think they need help. But they do need help. 😢
I agree with your take. The show runners made some changes to make Nami more sympathetic, but in the end I think they made her a worse person. Originally, Nami is kidnapped by Arlong and made a slave, so the village plans a suicide mission to rebel and save her. To avoid that, Nami joins Arlong's crew so she's seen as a traitor, not a captive, eventually making the deal with him. Her sister also knows the plan the whole time and the two girls stay close; in fact the reason her sister gets tattoos is to match Nami and make her feel better about the Arlong tattoo. The village eventually learns about the plan, but they feign ignorance and ostracize Nami hoping she'll give up and live a happy life.
In this version when Nami joined Arlong, did no one think to question that? Her sister and the town who knew Nami her whole life just assume she's a pos?
Arlong didn't break his word. Part of the deal was, that Nami brings him the money by sunrise.
She didn't do it. The reason for that doesn't really matter.
So he is a rotten fish stick but he didn't technically break his promise.
So based on that Nami wasn't wrong to trust Arlongs words. It is more of a monkey paw situation. You have to take the loop holes into account as well.
Based on your reaction I am 80% sure you would find the anime's take on Nami's story way more satisfying. :)
But they started the attack on the village in the middle of the night. They didn't even wait for her to fail.
@@AnimeDateNight Not attacking the village wasn't part of the deal either. His words were 'Bring me the money [...] and I consider the matter closed." You can interpret it as "I am not going to attack the village unless you bring me the money." but he didn't say that explicitly.
As I said Arlong isn't by any means the good guy or justified in what he is doing, but he didn't break the contract.
@@christianschmid1440 ooooooh that phrasing is important - yup, you're absolutely right. He was very careful about his phrasing. DAMMIT HE'S SMARMY
I think what nami did honestly was the only way and the best way. Its obvious she was playing the long game, and yes she extorted her village for him but it was to eventually free her village. If she hadn't there would have been no end in sight but now that there was a set goal for their freedom she is willing to do what ever to make it. Nami didnt join him so that he would stop exploiting them i until she got the money she joined him so that he would stop when she got the money.e literally would not have been able to prevent arlong using them but she knew her villiage is strong and they would be able to handle it. She did what she could do in that situation. So id give her more credit she was a child who was willing to basically join a gang and be chained up for years just drawing maps for other people. I don't see any of the adults in the villiage having courage like that. So yea she could have apologized but she didnt need to she wouldn't have been able to stop the extortion during the time at all. At least she was working to end it. that's how i see it at least.
I can see that :) Thank you for sharing your perspective!
What Nami did wasn't a great idea but it was the idea of a child. And at this point in the story she is still just a teenager who grew up with pirates. What else does she know? Ijs. Loved watching you two react. And yes, I've seen the anime.
TY for sharing your perspective!! + being nice about it :)
Looking forward to s2!! - Madison + Corbin
I think a large majority of the One Piece community would disagree with your opinion about Nami and her motives, but you have a right to your opinion, so fair enough. I won’t try to change your mind. You seem pretty fixed to it.
I (Madison) want to like her sooo much more than I do. I rooted for her when Arlong showed up, I was CONFIDENT she was playing Arlong to protect the crew. I was wrong. I'm hoping I like her more moving forward. I'm given to understand there are some key differences between the manga/LA and I'm looking forward to the manga story
@@AnimeDateNightyeah, the manga/anime have some differences. There are more details
this is interesting because Madison have been crying over everything and she didnt cry over "help me" scene where it's mostly where people came to love the story
also there is a big difference between the original and this adaptation, in the original all the villanger and Nojiko always knows from the start about Nami sacrifice but act angry to keep Nami facade strong
A couple of people have highlighted the differences in this episode. From what I can tell, every criticism I have on this ep is addressed in the original material. 🤷♀️
I actually liked and never heard it from that perspective on if she wants to seem like shes doing it all to be the better person in the end. She indulged in horrible descisions that hurt others. Will her charcter as a person really change later on?
This is coming from someone who empathized more with nami expecially after stabbing her arm and seeing it was all for nothing Brutal
Most people would have written Nami off after the betrayal. Zoro and Usopp are proof. Only Sanji and Luffy kept the faith. Luffy and the word intelligence should never be in the same sentence, but Luffy does have a gift of reading people for who they really are. He also has a gift of getting into trouble. This gift is usually a curse and a comedic situation for the rest of the crew most of the time , but there are times we’re it is a real blessing because it allows Luffy to seek out the most dangerous obstacle and deal with it as the captain of the Strawhats should b
_"Most people would have written Nami off after the betrayal. Zoro and Usopp are proof. "_
NGL, I knew folks were gonna come for me (Madison) cos I've been given to understand Nami is peak waifu/fan fave material but I'm holding on to the above like a gotdang life raft lmao
I just read the description, am halfway through watching, but what you said is totally fair. They really cut a lot of corners here in the live action and did some weird things to make up for it. It's easy for long-time fans to look over it because we can fill in the blanks with what we know from the anime and manga. This arc in the anime/manga is much deeper and makes perfect sense all the way through. In the anime, for example, Nami was taken by Arlong and THEN they made the deal. I have no idea why they made Nami approach Arlong instead. I'm happy with what we got here overall, but there are some issues for sure. Watching your reaction here made it a bit more obvious just how much is out of whack TBH 😅
I'd be super interested to see how you find this part of the story in the anime in comparison to the Live Action if you guys end up watching it 😊 would be cool!
If Nami had been kidnapped and then been like, "listen buster, we're gonna bargain," OMG I probably would have reacted differently cos GO OFF LIL SIS! But for her to approach him, set up the deal, etc. that didn't sit right with me. - Madison
Hahahah loving this Woman’s reactions.So much heart in it. Keep up the good work couple!
Thank you so much 😁
I truly think there is a huge misunderstanding here…. I hope to explain some things. I know I’m behind on this channel, and I know you are caught up. I hope this fills in gaps.
In the “source material” Nami was left mentally scarred by the events that occurred. The villagers caught the children and told them to run away from the islands and to never come back. All of that to save Bellemere and the two kids. (If the kids didn’t arrive at the house, Bellemere could lie her way out of it.) But before the children could stop crying, Bellemere announced she had 2 daughters. She did this because of 2 reasons. 1. She knew the villagers would tell her children to run away. And she knew that wasn’t a life she wanted for her kids. 2. Each Marine believes in his/ her own brand of Justice. Bellemere’s Justice was telling the truth and being an honorable person. She tried to live to that creed her whole life. So her sacrificing herself saves her kids, and lets her die with her integrity intact.
Afterwards Nami became obsessed with money. Because in her mind, money could have saved Bellemere, and she never wants to go through that loss again. She doesn’t decide to join Arlong, she’s in fact kidnapped for her nap making skills. In this state, she creates the plan to buy the village back. She hates Arlong, but sees him as the solution. Remember she’s like 7 years old. She’s naive. And because of this, she clings onto the hope that the deal will be honored.
Growing up Nami saw no use for friends because all she thought about was getting the $100M Berry. No matter the cost. So she pushed everyone she loves away. She lied, cheated, and stole her way throughout life to reach her goal. In her mind it was a small sacrifice to make to free everyone she loved. She set herself to be the bad guy to save the village.
The village initially upset about Namis teaming up with Arlong, eventually found out what she was doing. And tried to keep her cover. So they acted like they hated her. All while keeping an eye on her from a distance.
Nami does not do this to be malicious. She does it out of necessity to save her village. She feels trapped in a hopeless situation. Living a life with no one by her side has made her weary of trust. Which is why she doesn’t ask for help. She takes the burden on herself and it breaks her. Luffy agrees to help Nami because he is an excellent judge of character most times. He knows everything she did wasn’t because she was a bad person. In Nami, he sees a person in need of desperate help. Something he will never ignore or turn away from. 🏴☠️
You didnt include the “Help me” SCENE?!?!?! THE NERVEEEEEE
you:
1. "Oh, it'll get you ki//ed?" 😃👍 "Go for it! You're a grown man! You're making the biggest mistake, but go ahead and get yourself ki//ed! Yes!"
2. "It's totally okay for Zoro and Luffy to fight against people they can't win against! How dare Nami be worried and looking out for Zoro! How dare Nami save Luffy from getting eaten by a fishman!"
The paused it and were joking around during the most emotional part…. This ain’t it chief.
100000% AGREEEEE 😅🤬🤬🤬
39:45 I forgot about those WWJD braclets lmao 😭
lmfao
You're actually the second (or third?? lol) ever reacter I've witnessed feel this exact way about Nami with this live action experience! Noice tho'
I am sorry about all the dramatic "reacters" in these comments XD the One Piece fandom doesn't show its true colors usually until you're just about caught up to the anime. This is a first for me !
The way people are commenting, we guess Nami is just that popular? - Corbin PS - thank you for the warning. We know of some intense fandoms and didnt realize One Piece would be as well - tho lolol as I'm thinking about it, theres over 1000 episodes so anime watchers are invested.
Nami is very naive kid, she shouldn’t let herself in that stupid deal with a pirate 😢
Come on Madison you have to remember she was in slaved and obviously wouldn't trust anyone so easily it honestly better in the anime the live action do okay but u feel it more in the anime
From this ep, Nami wasn't enslaved. She sought him out.
"You have to remember" ?? I don't recall the show addressing that part before or even in this episode
Definitely enjoyed what you had to say. To me, it has to do with how much they had to change the scene in order to make it all fit within their time constraints.
Just know, if people are mad with you about how you don't understand Nami and how you would understand it better in the original, then that just means you are right with your judgement. You judged the show with what it gave you and found flaws within it. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm pretty sure Nami had "Robin Hood'd" that all mula, knowing Oda
Tangerines represent wealth.
15:06 Deception check vs Insight check. Luffy has high wisdom with expertise in insight.
Edit: Except when the story dictates otherwise.
It's refreshing to see someone side with Zoro here 3:53, not necessarily because he's right, but a lot of people just side with Sanji on this one. In my humble opinion neither of them are right, Zoro takes it at face value, and Sanji is... well, it would seem Nami could've done practically anything and he'd believe in her. Both of them could be said to be naive in this scenario.
She can draw map and can do navigation i dont think arlong will let her go 😅
38:50 I'm with Corbi-nyan.
she lies, lies lies lies lies - but then tears are supposed to absolve everything? People lie with tears ALL THE TIME and she talked repeatedly about having conned the team. Based on what is this not an extension of manipulative behavior?? (btw I'm not angry, just passionate
Pupusas? Are you Salvadoran? I am from El Salvador as well!
i kind of agree ngl lol
If you’ve watched the anime first, you might hate her even more that this😂 (spoiler) there aren’t any scene of her being sympathetic to the crew, just constantly being a greedy b*tch that tags along. Even after the reveal of her motivation she still does some questionable things and I was so conflicted about her. But all of that concludes well with in-depth explanation and emotional scenes to make us understand in the end.
So yea. This arc is definitely the weakest compared to the anime, while Sanji’s was kinda weak there.
Sanji's is still strong-ish in the anime, but it did get done dirty for the- you know. I'll leave it at that in case they decide to tackle the anime
I agree with Madison here. I still prefer the anime take on Nami and Usopp story. But they did a good job with pretty much the rest of the characters and their stories. Although i enjoyed Garp in the anime but it's kinda fresh to see Garp taking his job seriously 😂
I get the feeling they didn't have enough, if any, women in the writing room for this live action here...ehem (Oda aaaiiiiiin't a woman, lolllll)
she was just playing by human rules.
Jimbie one of the fishman is member of strawhat
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! you stopped and joked at the most important part to like Nami ;--;
*sigh* and this is why we pause to talk 99% of the time. Cos the 1% of the time we don't... shenanigans.
@@AnimeDateNight Its hard being a reactor 😂 but im still glad you guys did react! Was one of the good ones 👍🏻