It's good that they did, because they had to for this game anyway. The DS has a lower polygon cap than the N64, and is sorta...loosely equivalent to it in overall power. More cart storage, faster RAM, worse CPU, no GPU (CPU had to raster in software), but it has the GBA CPU as a coprocessor to handle input and audio (it was there for backwards compat).
@@fisherdotogg That doesn’t explain what “raster” means. edit: I searched up the definition and the definition doesn’t make much sense in how you used it.
Weirdly enough, my most fond memories from Super Mario 64 DS was the multiplayer. Despite being repetitive, me and my siblings would play that for hours. I clearly remember always beelining to the Wario hat and attempting to throw my siblings off cliffs.
there’s evidence the game originally had campaign multiplayer, which is probably why silok thought it was underwhelming; they had bigger plans that just couldn’t be fleshed out for some reason.
I also have so many memories with the multiplayer with my siblings. We would all just make up our own games and stuff to do like on the slide getting on top of the ending area and just fighting 😂
In 2008 I was talking to a friend about videogames and I mentioned that I played Mario 64 on my DS. He wouldn't believe me. He just refused to believe that Nintendo found a way to port this game into a handheld. It was that impressive.
Ya I wouldn't have believed it even now if I hadn't randomly bumped into its existence on the wiiu virtual console man was I confused wondering how and what the heck it was. I mean the dsi sure but the original i was blown
That's cool, but at best, it kinda translates to pennies. I don't pay the Patreon myself, but that's probably the best way to contribute. Besides, seeing how the video itself didn't mention rent, that was probably just a joke for the title of the video, and the real disappointment probably just came from people not watching that Bomberman video.
Dude that last video on bomberman was sick, one of my absolute favorites! So sorry that it didn’t perform well, that’s a terrible feeling. Hopefully there’s a tiny shred of good in just knowing that those of us who did watch it really loved it!
Those of us who were born later in SNES lifecycle and had ps1 as first console had the opposite lol. Nothing has blown my mind like the DS to this day . That SP to OG ds jump oh man
during my family's move to our current home, i left my DS with Mario Party DS running at my grandma's house and came back the next day and it still had hours and hours of battery
The N64 was actually quite powerful for the time, the limitation was the cartridge size and slow RAM. Since RAM was so slow, devs would often put uncompressed assets on the cart instead since it took too long to load them into memory for the CPU to decompress. But then you remember the tiny cart size. 1996 to 2004 was home to some of the biggest performance progressions over time. It was common for a PC you built/bought in 1998 to chug running games launched in 2001 and be unusable, even on sites, by 2003
12:02 the movement in 3D World is actually restricted to 8 directions regardless of whether you use a D-Pad or not, so an analog stick causing you to sway at that part is very weird
From my brief testing with 3d world's controls, at least on the Switch version, your movement defaults to 8 directions but isn't restricted to that necessarily. I think how it worked was if you were already holding a direction with a joystick and Mario was moving in one of the 8 directions, you could make a minor adjustment with the stick and cause Mario's course to change to a direction that's not one of the 8, rather than him just always locking to only the 8.
This is actually because Luigi's movement is "looser" in the sense that he's less restricted to the 8 directions a Directional Pad can input. It's a very subtle change Nintendo made to make him feel more slippery that not a lot of people know about. The above reply still applies, however.
That isn't fully true. In the Wii U version, movements only have a maximum of 8 directions despite the controller being used. However on Switch, they unlocked movements letting you move in more than 8 directions (which is what you're seeing in the video)
funny thing, that's because they used an updated version of the physics engine from odyssey. Odyssey was originally built off of 3D world movement but they unlocked the stick for the sandbox areas.
I remember as a kid finding the hidden power star in the mirror room by going through the mirror as Luigi and heading through the door, I was absolutely gobsmacked that I'd managed to stumble onto that by myself.
I often brought my multiple DS' at school, we would play SM64 DS very often at some point. After some time, we realised it was dumb to play the way it was supposed to be, so we made our own game rules that we would choose every round. From "Capture THAT cap" to "1v3 beat-up" and "Race to that specific location", we had so much fun.
Just if anyone doesn't know already: On an emulator you can use analog input directly in the game. There is really cool project that enables this and makes SM64DS the definitive version for me personally. Oh and on a 3DS there is also a mod available for this :D
Eh, to play mainly the ds version I would have to force myself to play it a whole lot, more than sm64, and have more fun than with sm64 while saying to myself "this game better:)" now this is not me saying sm64ds sucks cuz this type of thinking will actually work for me, only drawback the ds version has is that sm64 has the bigger modding scene, probably speedrunning too, and you can also play sm64 online (unofficially but who cares) unlike 64ds for all I know
I just realized on the GBC they remade Super Mario Bros for the platform (which also included lost levels as a unlockable), then on the GBA they did Super Mario Bros 2, 3, World, and the first Yoshi's Island, and on the DS they did 64. wouldn't be suprised if people were expecting a Super Mario Sunshine remake for the 3DS when it was new
All of the 3DS forum discussions I was in back in the day speculated Super Mario Sunshine 3D for this reason lol. It was a fun time imagining all of the games that were going to be ported over.
This is one of my favorite TH-cam channels of all time. I recently went back and re-watched every SilokHawk video in chronological order, and absolute loved it. It was sad to get to the last couple videos and run out of SilokHawk content to watch. Truly thanks for all the great vids. (Now where's Jackbox 7?)
The DS (at least the original model) explicitly had a sort of “thumb stylus” on the end of the hand strap. You could tighten the end of the strap onto your thumb, which positioned a hard nubbin of plastic onto your thumb tip. It worked quite well on the left thumb for the touch-screen analog control scheme, and also allowed easy access to the camera controls.
I can still remember when I had my Ds… It’s impressive how good this was back in the day. Fantastic video as always man, gave me a good laugh here and there.
I highly recommend the 3DS port of the PC port for anyone who really wanted those analog controls. It's a surprisingly amazing version and it fills that 64 DS d-pad shaped hole in my heart. One day it would be great to see the DS version get some upgrades too, good thing we can always count on mods!
About the touch controls, when discussing them people always seem to forget about the lace that came bundled with the first Nintendo DS. That thing had a small disk of plastic and the idea was that you'd tie it to your thumb so that you could use it to guide the characters without using a stylus. That control scheme was not intended to be used with the stylus, they knew that it would not work. That lace was probably included specifically for this one game. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't great, but I remember it being better than the dpad. It was basically like having a free form analog stick. The problem mainly being that it was centered, instead of being on the side. Which is appropriate for a remake of a N64 game, I guess.
The inflation power up is originally from SMW where it was in the form of P-balloon. And yeah, that thing.. did inspire some art. A _LOT_ of it.. I've seen entire doujinshi dedicated to it, so even Japan is in on the fun too.
Fun fact from the emulation front, if you inject a patch into the rom and enable an analogue stick expansion pak (I think melonDS does it, it's not a real cartridge unfortunately :c), you get full stick support just like it always should have had
Super Mario 64 DS was my childhood, my sister would always play it in her pink DS and I’ve always wanted to play it, she’s still addicted to it whenever we see it somewhere around the house
that bomberman video was amazing and cozy, probably my favorite video of yours. That's really sad it didn't do well. I had no idea the game existed before and the video convinced me to add it to my backlog. I feel like there's gotta be a way you could market it, but it's probably too late to change the title and thumbnail to re-roll the algorithm now
10:05 64DS has a flying glitch in this room that lets you do the final mission with any character, and it works until about halfway through the credits when the game freaks out and spits you back outside the csdtle
Hey Silokhawk! I just wanna say that everytime I see an upload from you, I get very excited because you have some of the best content this platform has to offer. I love hearing your thoughts and critiques on games that I grew up with because it shows me that it is okay to be critical over the games you love. Anyways, I’ll always be supporting you and keep up the hard work!!
12:16 Fun fact! The camera move options allow you to change the direction the 8dpad options move, giving you a full 24 directions again. Also touch mode
Yeah, but it's not REAL analog controls. You don't actually get full 360° degree movement from using the Wii U's analog stick because it just emulates the D-Pad.
Something a lot of people seem to not know. The DS originally came with a thumb stylus, and that is what you were supposed to use for the touch screen analog movement. It wasn't perfect, but it actually felt pretty alright. They never expected anyone to use the pen stylus for movement.
actually chife chilly is the only boss that's new to Mario 64 DS, unless if you mean as in wasn't in Mario 64, as big boo, or king boo, was in Luigi's Manson, and gomboss was in paper mario
I’m right handed, and when this game launched, I 100% it using the wriststrap thumbpad w/ the touchscreen to control movement. It was awkward at first, but much better than the stylus and provided more control than the d-pad.
That’s so weird. When I was like 4-5, me and my family went on a camping trip, and some kid that I met on the camping grounds had a DS, and it was the first time I had ever seen one. According to my mom, I never did anything related to camping after meeting this kid, I was just watching him play his game the whole time.
18:05 I'd actually disagree and would say the wireless local multiplayer isn't outdated at all. It's a really good idea for handheld multiplayer and for being able to play with your friends easily. I wish the Switch had this feature
I mean it technically does, they just dont use it for some reason. Same goes for download play, that would be possible but no games do it nowadays. Though I also understand that because file sizes keep getting bigger for games.
Can I just say that I really prefer this version? I get the criticism about the controls, but I don't hate them. No, they aren't perfect. But they work. The incremental turning does really well in masking the limiting d-pad. I will agree, it's pretty bad for narrow levels, but as someone who mainly plays Mario 64 for the sandbox levels, I didn't find myself facing that issue often. Playing on the 3DS doesn't fix the issue, but it does make it more comfortable for my hands. Being able to just pull my 3DS out of my pocket and knock out a Star on Cool Cool Mountain is main selling point for me. Overall this was a great review and I really appreciate SilokHawk taking into account it's time of release and being as objective as possible.
Yes and no, the game will still make you move in 8 directions and hold a run button to run, but a circle pad does feel much better for 3D games than a D-pad.
I would recommend buying an original ds wriststrap because that makes the touch controls more stick like, but those are pretty niche to come by to be honest. Though maybe something similar to that exists somewhere
Goomboss isn't "new" to SM64DS. He debuted in Paper Mario 64, although he was simply called "the Goomba King" there. In fact, Goomboss bears the distinction of being one of the only Mario characters to ever be introduced in the RPG series and then cross over to the mainline platform series. King Boo also appeared in Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine before his fight here, although his design was drastically different in both games.
When I was a kid I had a Japanese neighbor and he had a ds a whole year or so before it came out in the US. It was like a magical device and I couldn't fathom how he had something so advanced.
One thing to note about the controls is that the touch controls were not meant to be used with the stylus, but rather a weird little rubber... Thing attached to the original ds' wriststrap. I played it that way back then and playing this way feels wayyyy more organic than using a stylus or the dpad. The only issue is that ONLY the original ds had this wriststrap thing with the rubber part on it, which honestly imo is part of the reason nobody knows about it. It sucks because I genuinely think this is the best way to play the ds version [besides mods] and everyone online either doesnt know about it existing OR mentions it and then shits on it because they havent tried it or gotten used to it and then say "but its not a stick"
Tl;dr: There's a really good option to play the ds version that feels great but its not well known and people make fun of it if they do know it. Idk just curious what others think about it since I rarely hear it mentioned
It was intended for you to use the lanyard for the DS and its tiny thumbpad as a "virtual analog stick" and...once you get used to it, it actually worked alright, but yea, i found myself consistently switching between that and the d-pad to get through this game. Also, i've gotta say that shell sliding mini game was like actual crack.
I will say that I love the new content they added in the DS version like the mini games, new levels, 30 new stars, and the new playable, but I do agree that the controls aren’t as good as the original. Like, controlling a 3D Mario game with a D-pad isn’t really ideal. I prefer playing this game on the 3DS or Wii U VC because you actually have an analog stick and I actually think it does improve the controls, but I still prefer the controls of the original. Also, I wish the DS version didn’t have a run button since the original didn’t have one. So, I love the remake and I would still recommend playing it, but I do prefer the original version because of the better controls and also because it’s just more fun to just move around.
I remember i never staying up one night trying to get my last star which was 100 coin star in rainbow ride I believe, I was having so much trouble with it, but man the moment i did it, it felt so accomplishing, this game will always have a special place in my heart
16:14 Honestly 3D All-Stars would have been a great opportunity for that. Not a brand new remake, but rather a mix between the 64 and DS versions that incorporate all the pros from both versions.
first off great video about mario 64 ds BUT i will not let you think that the bomberman video was bad. i loved that video. it was very very very well put together and i didnt even know there was a fire emblem bomberman and now im playing it. MAKE MORE BOMBERMAN VIDS!
Couldn't agree more with your conclusions, Super Mario 64 DS was such a great launch title for the DS and despite everything was and still is such a fun game! 0:04 I don't know how I missed it, but when I'll have some more time I'll definitely watch that video because I'm quite interested in learning more about Bomberman games since I really liked the few ones I've played! 2:11 I would've absolutely hated him because no matter what I love Mario Party Advance!
one thing you can do if d-pad controls get you down is to try playing this game on a 3ds. The fact that they added that d-pad smoothing to the game for a d-pad, actually makes the 3ds circle pad feel more natural than you would expect. that's how I managed to complete the game and I must say, while it doesn't fix EVERY problem with control in this version, it makes it SIGNIFICANTLY better, just due to the fact that the circle pad will alternate d-pad imputes frequently enough to feel natural. if you haven't tried this game due to the ds, give it a try on the 3ds. its a much better experience.
If you eat an enemy that gives 3 coins, egg it, and then fire it at other enemies, every enemy will give 3 coins. Same thing with blue coins. Eat a Koopa, egg it, Shoot at a bunch of enemies, each one gives a blue coin. Yoshi is way more broken than anybody thought, and nobody ever seems to know about this trick for easy 100 coins stars.
I loved this game so much. I remember I always wanted to be able to play as Luigi in SM64 and when I heard about SM64DS it was quite literally a dream-come-true, plus being able to play as Yoshi & Wario was an added bonus. I also scanned and printed off the character stat's pages from the instruction booklet so I could bring them to school and share them with my friends. Simpler times.
Now there really is a definitive edition to play because of the cpad patch for sm64ds, allowing use of all the shoulder buttons, and both sticks on the new3ds
I remember having a lot of fond memories with this game despite not actually owning it. Would constantly rent it out from video stores, and it was a blast to play.
1:43 this is soooo true! I remember the reverse of this when everywhere phased the GameCube out super early and as a 10 year old kid I had no idea this was going to happen so I was rushing around all the stores looking for games and there was NOTHING. It was all just suddenly gone 😭
I have so many fond memories of this game. I remember so many nights spent trying to finish it (even though kid me was _trash_ at it lol). The minigames were easily my favorite part. I miss those days so much…
There's something really interesting about this game if you somehow enter a boss level where taht character can't go in normal ways (like the wario painting with yoshi) the bosses have dialog programed and even is translated to another lenguages
Fun fact: Mario's model in the DS version has a lower poly count than the original model. They just got better at modelling, like a whole lot 😅
It's good that they did, because they had to for this game anyway. The DS has a lower polygon cap than the N64, and is sorta...loosely equivalent to it in overall power. More cart storage, faster RAM, worse CPU, no GPU (CPU had to raster in software), but it has the GBA CPU as a coprocessor to handle input and audio (it was there for backwards compat).
@@fisherdotogg
What do you mean the CPU had to “raster” in software?
@@luhgarlicbread All the graphics are done by the CPU. It renders out the framebuffer and then plots the finished image to the screens.
@@fisherdotogg
That doesn’t explain what “raster” means.
edit: I searched up the definition and the definition doesn’t make much sense in how you used it.
I don't think it's the model but the textures that makes SM64DS Mario look better
Weirdly enough, my most fond memories from Super Mario 64 DS was the multiplayer. Despite being repetitive, me and my siblings would play that for hours. I clearly remember always beelining to the Wario hat and attempting to throw my siblings off cliffs.
there’s evidence the game originally had campaign multiplayer, which is probably why silok thought it was underwhelming; they had bigger plans that just couldn’t be fleshed out for some reason.
@@cowboyluigi5275
If they ever port it (or remake it), I'm sure we'll get what was planned first.
I also have so many memories with the multiplayer with my siblings. We would all just make up our own games and stuff to do like on the slide getting on top of the ending area and just fighting 😂
@@cowboyluigi5275 now they should make a remake of the remake and through mp in
i love the Multi-player mode it's so fun
In 2008 I was talking to a friend about videogames and I mentioned that I played Mario 64 on my DS. He wouldn't believe me. He just refused to believe that Nintendo found a way to port this game into a handheld. It was that impressive.
In a world where the internet wasn't as wide-spread, I could see why he'd doubt that.
Ya I wouldn't have believed it even now if I hadn't randomly bumped into its existence on the wiiu virtual console man was I confused wondering how and what the heck it was. I mean the dsi sure but the original i was blown
DS launched with the DS in like 2003 I'm surprised they never just happened upon a copy of it somewhere in 5 whole years.
@@Touma134 November 2004
putting this on repeat to help pay your bills
You are a giga chad
That's cool, but at best, it kinda translates to pennies.
I don't pay the Patreon myself, but that's probably the best way to contribute.
Besides, seeing how the video itself didn't mention rent, that was probably just a joke for the title of the video, and the real disappointment probably just came from people not watching that Bomberman video.
Play it at 0.25 speed so it counts as four views.
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I strive to have your natural kindness, you’re a gentleman and a scholar
Dude that last video on bomberman was sick, one of my absolute favorites! So sorry that it didn’t perform well, that’s a terrible feeling. Hopefully there’s a tiny shred of good in just knowing that those of us who did watch it really loved it!
Yeah, I hope he isn't discouraged by it.
Yeah it was fun to watch
It looked like a really interesting game
I wish he did more vids on lesser known games like that tbh.
It was a great watch frfr
i never realized how strong the DS was and how weak the n64 was
W angel
Those of us who were born later in SNES lifecycle and had ps1 as first console had the opposite lol. Nothing has blown my mind like the DS to this day . That SP to OG ds jump oh man
during my family's move to our current home, i left my DS with Mario Party DS running at my grandma's house and came back the next day and it still had hours and hours of battery
The N64 was actually quite powerful for the time, the limitation was the cartridge size and slow RAM.
Since RAM was so slow, devs would often put uncompressed assets on the cart instead since it took too long to load them into memory for the CPU to decompress. But then you remember the tiny cart size.
1996 to 2004 was home to some of the biggest performance progressions over time. It was common for a PC you built/bought in 1998 to chug running games launched in 2001 and be unusable, even on sites, by 2003
I don't think the ds was much more powerful than the n64
12:02 the movement in 3D World is actually restricted to 8 directions regardless of whether you use a D-Pad or not, so an analog stick causing you to sway at that part is very weird
From my brief testing with 3d world's controls, at least on the Switch version, your movement defaults to 8 directions but isn't restricted to that necessarily. I think how it worked was if you were already holding a direction with a joystick and Mario was moving in one of the 8 directions, you could make a minor adjustment with the stick and cause Mario's course to change to a direction that's not one of the 8, rather than him just always locking to only the 8.
This is actually because Luigi's movement is "looser" in the sense that he's less restricted to the 8 directions a Directional Pad can input. It's a very subtle change Nintendo made to make him feel more slippery that not a lot of people know about. The above reply still applies, however.
That isn't fully true.
In the Wii U version, movements only have a maximum of 8 directions despite the controller being used.
However on Switch, they unlocked movements letting you move in more than 8 directions (which is what you're seeing in the video)
@@silokhawk Ah, so I was right and wasn't just seeing things when I was playing lol.
funny thing, that's because they used an updated version of the physics engine from odyssey. Odyssey was originally built off of 3D world movement but they unlocked the stick for the sandbox areas.
this is one of those games i could watch 600 video's about, and the 601st would still be interesting
Gotta hate the 602nd though
same
Man I just watched the 603rd and it sucked ass I hope the 604th can do better
I remember as a kid finding the hidden power star in the mirror room by going through the mirror as Luigi and heading through the door, I was absolutely gobsmacked that I'd managed to stumble onto that by myself.
Same!! I told all my friends at school that I unlocked Wario and they couldn’t believe it
I often brought my multiple DS' at school, we would play SM64 DS very often at some point.
After some time, we realised it was dumb to play the way it was supposed to be, so we made our own game rules that we would choose every round. From "Capture THAT cap" to "1v3 beat-up" and "Race to that specific location", we had so much fun.
Just if anyone doesn't know already:
On an emulator you can use analog input directly in the game. There is really cool project that enables this and makes SM64DS the definitive version for me personally.
Oh and on a 3DS there is also a mod available for this :D
What’s the 3DS mod called?
Yooo link the mod.
There is also Mario with a gun
Eh, to play mainly the ds version I would have to force myself to play it a whole lot, more than sm64, and have more fun than with sm64 while saying to myself "this game better:)" now this is not me saying sm64ds sucks cuz this type of thinking will actually work for me, only drawback the ds version has is that sm64 has the bigger modding scene, probably speedrunning too, and you can also play sm64 online (unofficially but who cares) unlike 64ds for all I know
@@TPLS2 ^See above^
I just realized on the GBC they remade Super Mario Bros for the platform (which also included lost levels as a unlockable), then on the GBA they did Super Mario Bros 2, 3, World, and the first Yoshi's Island, and on the DS they did 64. wouldn't be suprised if people were expecting a Super Mario Sunshine remake for the 3DS when it was new
they where but we got luigi mansion at the end of the consoles lifespan
Sadly the closest we've got is 3D All-Stars, which had bugs not in the original at launch like debug tracks being visible.
All of the 3DS forum discussions I was in back in the day speculated Super Mario Sunshine 3D for this reason lol. It was a fun time imagining all of the games that were going to be ported over.
@@Klobb64 if it happened I bet people would be theriorizing a Super Mario Galaxy HD on the switch
64 DS is my childhood game, something I come back to on a yearly basis. Such a goated game
Same. Loved the mini games too.
This is one of my favorite TH-cam channels of all time. I recently went back and re-watched every SilokHawk video in chronological order, and absolute loved it. It was sad to get to the last couple videos and run out of SilokHawk content to watch. Truly thanks for all the great vids. (Now where's Jackbox 7?)
Unfortunate the Bomberman video didn't get that many views, it was so good it made me want to play the game myself
I completely agree!
Lmao okay that opening had me in stitches. Great video!
The DS (at least the original model) explicitly had a sort of “thumb stylus” on the end of the hand strap. You could tighten the end of the strap onto your thumb, which positioned a hard nubbin of plastic onto your thumb tip. It worked quite well on the left thumb for the touch-screen analog control scheme, and also allowed easy access to the camera controls.
I loved it back when the game came out... Too bad my cat chewed it up a long time ago lol
i actually have some of these, they're cool
I can still remember when I had my Ds…
It’s impressive how good this was back in the day.
Fantastic video as always man, gave me a good laugh here and there.
I bet you had some fat and juicy Ds
13:20 When the game first came out, there was a thumb-stylus. You'd hold your DS like a 64 controller while playing 😂
The intro alone was enough for me to subscribe, great content. Looking forward to seeing more!
A couple nuggets about SM64DS:
Wario's boss fight actually has special dialog if fought with Yoshi, which is possible by using a glitched spot on the mirror that seems like it was intentionally left broken even though they fixed other issues like JRB's Boat being a slope when it swayed
The dialog is as follows:
(Intro/before the fight starts)
"Hmm? I see you have no mustache. Poor, bald, little creature.
It's not a fair fight for you, but luckily, I'm not a fair fighter. Let's go!"
(After the fight/Defeated)
"I simply cannot believe that I lost to a hairless pip-squeak like you!
My mustache was my only joy. Now what am I going to do?"
This is possible on launch copies (The copies that start with "©2004 Nintendo")
I'm not sure about later copies that start with "©2004-2005 Nintendo"
You can duplicate caps on Snowman's Land by letting the Snowman blow you away then recovering them over and over again. it'll eventually duplicate too many for the engine to handle and it'll crash, showing a crash error screen.
We didn't knew what the hole in the wall on the castle exterior was for (on the file select screen). I don't know if we ever got an answer for that.
Super Mario Slot is just an easier version of Mario Slot.
It's random whether you can see through the card on Psyche Out!
You can complete the game with only one key very easily due to a bug that lets you walk underwater on the moat
Unlike it's Original Counterpart, there's a lot of places where you can upwarp very easily, one of them is on the TTC/RR room.
There's leftover stuff from the multiplayer for story mode.
I highly recommend the 3DS port of the PC port for anyone who really wanted those analog controls. It's a surprisingly amazing version and it fills that 64 DS d-pad shaped hole in my heart. One day it would be great to see the DS version get some upgrades too, good thing we can always count on mods!
Nintendo: "Wait, that's illegal!"
*sends DMCA claim*
@@zacharylandrum4789 Oh right whoops, I forgot Nintendo hates fun
@@Danominator not like they can stop it what's on the internet stays there in one way or another 😂
can I get a link?
@@vibingone101 what platform it's on 3ds pc switch dsi Android and so on
About the touch controls, when discussing them people always seem to forget about the lace that came bundled with the first Nintendo DS. That thing had a small disk of plastic and the idea was that you'd tie it to your thumb so that you could use it to guide the characters without using a stylus. That control scheme was not intended to be used with the stylus, they knew that it would not work. That lace was probably included specifically for this one game. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't great, but I remember it being better than the dpad. It was basically like having a free form analog stick. The problem mainly being that it was centered, instead of being on the side. Which is appropriate for a remake of a N64 game, I guess.
People forget about the nubbin.
I totally forgot about that thing but I vaguely remember now
i have some of these! they're pretty cool
The inflation power up is originally from SMW where it was in the form of P-balloon. And yeah, that thing.. did inspire some art. A _LOT_ of it.. I've seen entire doujinshi dedicated to it, so even Japan is in on the fun too.
Fun fact from the emulation front, if you inject a patch into the rom and enable an analogue stick expansion pak (I think melonDS does it, it's not a real cartridge unfortunately :c), you get full stick support just like it always should have had
I'm so glad you're making this video I hope it gets the views that you deserve and I love your videos
The Bomberman Wars review was actually really good. It was so good I watched it like 4 times.
Good job you drop this👑
Nice! That means you're a virgin
Super Mario 64 DS was my childhood, my sister would always play it in her pink DS and I’ve always wanted to play it, she’s still addicted to it whenever we see it somewhere around the house
that bomberman video was amazing and cozy, probably my favorite video of yours. That's really sad it didn't do well. I had no idea the game existed before and the video convinced me to add it to my backlog.
I feel like there's gotta be a way you could market it, but it's probably too late to change the title and thumbnail to re-roll the algorithm now
10:05 64DS has a flying glitch in this room that lets you do the final mission with any character, and it works until about halfway through the credits when the game freaks out and spits you back outside the csdtle
Hey Silokhawk!
I just wanna say that everytime I see an upload from you, I get very excited because you have some of the best content this platform has to offer. I love hearing your thoughts and critiques on games that I grew up with because it shows me that it is okay to be critical over the games you love. Anyways, I’ll always be supporting you and keep up the hard work!!
depending on the DS you use the analog stick is back making this game way easier, recommend this on a 3DS
I LOVE this game, everyone likes to GUSH about and mod the original, and I really wish that more people talked about it! Thanks for doing that!
The reason I didn't watch the bomber man video is because of my passionate avoidance for anything fire emblem.
This was my first Mario game ever. I couldn’t have started with a better game imo
A second Mario 64 remake of DS would probably be called Mario 64 DS Switch.
at least he's being honest!
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Fun fact!
The camera move options allow you to change the direction the 8dpad options move, giving you a full 24 directions again.
Also touch mode
If I remember correctly. The game was ported to the Wii u and they let you use full joystick directional use for that version.
From what i remember they just mapped the dpad to the stick. So you still only have 8 directions and no analog control sadly
Yeah, but it's not REAL analog controls. You don't actually get full 360° degree movement from using the Wii U's analog stick because it just emulates the D-Pad.
Mario could still only move 8 directions
So my memory did fail me
The intro skit hit too hard homie😭
Something a lot of people seem to not know. The DS originally came with a thumb stylus, and that is what you were supposed to use for the touch screen analog movement. It wasn't perfect, but it actually felt pretty alright.
They never expected anyone to use the pen stylus for movement.
But do they about Yoshi's coin duplication?
actually chife chilly is the only boss that's new to Mario 64 DS, unless if you mean as in wasn't in Mario 64, as big boo, or king boo, was in Luigi's Manson, and gomboss was in paper mario
I’m still hurt by Wario having been done so dirty… my boi never deserved that dammit
I’m right handed, and when this game launched, I 100% it using the wriststrap thumbpad w/ the touchscreen to control movement. It was awkward at first, but much better than the stylus and provided more control than the d-pad.
Solution: Play on a 3DS (Which has an analog stick)
That’s so weird. When I was like 4-5, me and my family went on a camping trip, and some kid that I met on the camping grounds had a DS, and it was the first time I had ever seen one. According to my mom, I never did anything related to camping after meeting this kid, I was just watching him play his game the whole time.
Luckily, I got to play this on a 3DS so I never hard the d pad problem. I really recommend doing that
1:35 That’s how I found out about stuff like Action Replay and the R4 flash cart stuff. That blew my mind.
18:05 I'd actually disagree and would say the wireless local multiplayer isn't outdated at all. It's a really good idea for handheld multiplayer and for being able to play with your friends easily. I wish the Switch had this feature
I mean it technically does, they just dont use it for some reason.
Same goes for download play, that would be possible but no games do it nowadays. Though I also understand that because file sizes keep getting bigger for games.
Was just thinking about this game. Thanks for letting me relive my childhood for 20 minutes.
THIS IS THE SUPER MARIO 64 I GREW UP WITH! 🥰
Sorry.
Alright but I'm barely a few minutes in and know this is gonna be a game documentary channel I listen to at night! Keep it up! Major props.
Can I just say that I really prefer this version? I get the criticism about the controls, but I don't hate them. No, they aren't perfect. But they work. The incremental turning does really well in masking the limiting d-pad. I will agree, it's pretty bad for narrow levels, but as someone who mainly plays Mario 64 for the sandbox levels, I didn't find myself facing that issue often. Playing on the 3DS doesn't fix the issue, but it does make it more comfortable for my hands. Being able to just pull my 3DS out of my pocket and knock out a Star on Cool Cool Mountain is main selling point for me. Overall this was a great review and I really appreciate SilokHawk taking into account it's time of release and being as objective as possible.
…Well, that intro sure was something. I didn’t even know about your Bomberman vid: I just saw this in my feed on a whim.
Hey man, great video!
One question: are the controls fixed when playing on the 3ds? Been thinking about buying one lately, would be great.
Yes and no, the game will still make you move in 8 directions and hold a run button to run, but a circle pad does feel much better for 3D games than a D-pad.
I would recommend buying an original ds wriststrap because that makes the touch controls more stick like, but those are pretty niche to come by to be honest.
Though maybe something similar to that exists somewhere
just use the d pad. It plays great, ppl are just accostumed more to the N64 version.
Subscribed immediately with that entire intro commentary, well done
Goomboss isn't "new" to SM64DS. He debuted in Paper Mario 64, although he was simply called "the Goomba King" there. In fact, Goomboss bears the distinction of being one of the only Mario characters to ever be introduced in the RPG series and then cross over to the mainline platform series.
King Boo also appeared in Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine before his fight here, although his design was drastically different in both games.
Me being left handed watching the right handed people burn in hell with the touch screen “MUAHAHAHA”
My feed didn’t tell me your bomberman video came out like this one appeared on it. so I’m glad this video told me about it to watch afterwords!
Just two days ago I got a random urge to watch videos about this game, perfect timing :D
Honestly, that intro bit on this video made me watch the Bomberman Wars video, and I don't regret it lol
When I was a kid I had a Japanese neighbor and he had a ds a whole year or so before it came out in the US. It was like a magical device and I couldn't fathom how he had something so advanced.
8:35 I believe Mario's inflation technique is derived from Super Mario World on the SNES.
Enabled notifications and rewatching your previous videos during work :) Great content and you deserve the views!
2:50 you monster. I bet you also chucked the baby penguin off the mountain.
One thing to note about the controls is that the touch controls were not meant to be used with the stylus, but rather a weird little rubber... Thing attached to the original ds' wriststrap.
I played it that way back then and playing this way feels wayyyy more organic than using a stylus or the dpad.
The only issue is that ONLY the original ds had this wriststrap thing with the rubber part on it, which honestly imo is part of the reason nobody knows about it.
It sucks because I genuinely think this is the best way to play the ds version [besides mods] and everyone online either doesnt know about it existing OR mentions it and then shits on it because they havent tried it or gotten used to it and then say "but its not a stick"
Tl;dr: There's a really good option to play the ds version that feels great but its not well known and people make fun of it if they do know it.
Idk just curious what others think about it since I rarely hear it mentioned
13:31 As a left handed person, I see this as a win
It was intended for you to use the lanyard for the DS and its tiny thumbpad as a "virtual analog stick" and...once you get used to it, it actually worked alright, but yea, i found myself consistently switching between that and the d-pad to get through this game.
Also, i've gotta say that shell sliding mini game was like actual crack.
This, New Super Mario Bros DS, and Mario Kart DS were some of the biggest games of my childhood.
i love the honesty in the title, i’ll watch the whole thing
I will say that I love the new content they added in the DS version like the mini games, new levels, 30 new stars, and the new playable, but I do agree that the controls aren’t as good as the original. Like, controlling a 3D Mario game with a D-pad isn’t really ideal. I prefer playing this game on the 3DS or Wii U VC because you actually have an analog stick and I actually think it does improve the controls, but I still prefer the controls of the original. Also, I wish the DS version didn’t have a run button since the original didn’t have one. So, I love the remake and I would still recommend playing it, but I do prefer the original version because of the better controls and also because it’s just more fun to just move around.
I remember i never staying up one night trying to get my last star which was 100 coin star in rainbow ride I believe, I was having so much trouble with it, but man the moment i did it, it felt so accomplishing, this game will always have a special place in my heart
I love how bro was completely honest when making the title
SM64 DS is such a controversial but classic game that talking about the game never truly gets old
This was very cozy watching, I needed this today. Thank you :)
dude that lakitu voice is exactly how I've always imagined him sounding. now i wanna hear a full dub of lakitus lines.
I loved the Bomberman video Hawk :>
I'm glad you made, that game deserves more love!
I love how the manual straight-up tells you not to get too attached to your title screen drawings bc you can't save them.
The algorithm brought me here. I really enjoy your style, and I think I'll go watch that Bomberman video now. :)
16:14 Honestly 3D All-Stars would have been a great opportunity for that. Not a brand new remake, but rather a mix between the 64 and DS versions that incorporate all the pros from both versions.
Bomberman fucking rules, even just as a character. I fucking love it. Never got the notification that you posted a Bomberman video sadly
first off great video about mario 64 ds BUT i will not let you think that the bomberman video was bad. i loved that video. it was very very very well put together and i didnt even know there was a fire emblem bomberman and now im playing it. MAKE MORE BOMBERMAN VIDS!
Almost every Mario 64 video ends with the credits music
Couldn't agree more with your conclusions, Super Mario 64 DS was such a great launch title for the DS and despite everything was and still is such a fun game!
0:04 I don't know how I missed it, but when I'll have some more time I'll definitely watch that video because I'm quite interested in learning more about Bomberman games since I really liked the few ones I've played!
2:11 I would've absolutely hated him because no matter what I love Mario Party Advance!
Dude as a kid I was so confident that you could unlock Waluigi from the white Boo door in the castle!
one thing you can do if d-pad controls get you down is to try playing this game on a 3ds. The fact that they added that d-pad smoothing to the game for a d-pad, actually makes the 3ds circle pad feel more natural than you would expect. that's how I managed to complete the game and I must say, while it doesn't fix EVERY problem with control in this version, it makes it SIGNIFICANTLY better, just due to the fact that the circle pad will alternate d-pad imputes frequently enough to feel natural.
if you haven't tried this game due to the ds, give it a try on the 3ds. its a much better experience.
Bowser's glow up in this game is unreal
If you eat an enemy that gives 3 coins, egg it, and then fire it at other enemies, every enemy will give 3 coins. Same thing with blue coins. Eat a Koopa, egg it, Shoot at a bunch of enemies, each one gives a blue coin. Yoshi is way more broken than anybody thought, and nobody ever seems to know about this trick for easy 100 coins stars.
this was the most convincing argument to watch your bomberman video i could have imagined.
I loved this game so much. I remember I always wanted to be able to play as Luigi in SM64 and when I heard about SM64DS it was quite literally a dream-come-true, plus being able to play as Yoshi & Wario was an added bonus. I also scanned and printed off the character stat's pages from the instruction booklet so I could bring them to school and share them with my friends. Simpler times.
Now there really is a definitive edition to play because of the cpad patch for sm64ds, allowing use of all the shoulder buttons, and both sticks on the new3ds
I remember having a lot of fond memories with this game despite not actually owning it. Would constantly rent it out from video stores, and it was a blast to play.
1:43 this is soooo true! I remember the reverse of this when everywhere phased the GameCube out super early and as a 10 year old kid I had no idea this was going to happen so I was rushing around all the stores looking for games and there was NOTHING. It was all just suddenly gone 😭
Most honest video title holy sht. Watching just because of the honesty.
Got there a week ago and watched a lot of your videos. This is a really good channel, videos are ineresting and well paced, keep it up :)
I have so many fond memories of this game. I remember so many nights spent trying to finish it (even though kid me was _trash_ at it lol). The minigames were easily my favorite part. I miss those days so much…
There's something really interesting about this game if you somehow enter a boss level where taht character can't go in normal ways (like the wario painting with yoshi) the bosses have dialog programed and even is translated to another lenguages
Love the transparency with the title and intro 😂
Never seen your videos but the title is hilariously relateable.
best video title ive ever seen