I just had a thought on some of the items that could be changed slightly in Mario kart 9 whenever it comes out I think timers on items are kinda mediocre, so my hypothetical solution is as such- Golden mushroom should be a weaker version of a mushroom, but you get 7 - 12 uses of it so it can be relevant. Not sure how much weaker or use count would be good, but keeping the gimmick of multiple uses should stay. Fire flower, also no timer, and I think there should be 8 - 10 uses, with the ability to destroy items, but it should have a range nerf so you can't just snipe with it to annoy people. Piranha plant is a tough one, but I think it should either be similar to the golden mushroom since it has that slight speed boost, just weaker than that, or moreso a focus on biting stuff, having it sit beside you to eat items or enemies near you. I think anything over 5 might be overkill, but if anyone has thoughts on that I'd love to hear. Boo should have a number timer on the item HUD so you better know how long you're invisible for since that's still a pretty good gimmick it has. Blooper, honestly I think the idea you had in one video that it should instead ink titres is a great idea, though it could also mess with the steering as well in some minor way, or leave ink puddles on the road to trip people up, moreso a spinout than a knock down. If tanooki leaf ever returns, I think it should be similar treatment to a triple shell for first place. Not too common to get, but should have 3 uses to defend you without a timer. The thunder cloud, that should simply allow you to use it whenever you feel like it, plain and simple. Keep the rest the same, but I think being able to time it would make it a much better item. If they make a lucky 9, my opinion should be that you get a triple banana, triple green, and triple mushroom so it rotates the items you use and you know the order easier. The fake item box should instead be a decoy mushroom in future games, where it could be either a bomb or banana when you go to pick it up, or maybe a thunderbolt that only is used on whoever picks it up, as a way to scare people from picking items off the ground. My last thought, a skill check option. Have the coin block a blue shell on a specific frame to reward you for being good at the video game...(Yeah I'd never be able to time it lol) If anyone has thoughts on if any of this should be fine tuned, or suggestions of their own, I wouldn't mind hearing, cause I'm curious what others think of some of the items in this game
@@Nintenguinturning off Boo, Lightning, and Coins, makes the most satisfying offline races. At least with balanced players - leave those crazy items on if a player is better than others
One thing I'd mark as a big positive for the Boomerang Flower: It has priority over a LOT of other offensive items, piercing through them without getting destroyed. Green Shells, Red Shells, Bananas, Fire Flowers and even Pirhana Plants all get trumped by it. Only things like explosives and the Super Horn actually destroy the boomerang, so in mid-pack fights it can be way more useful than you'd think!
@@Bman_Iggy Mhm! Should also be noted that Battle mode makes the Boomerang Flower absolutely a top tier item, it's insane how much you can get done with it when people are forced to directly combat it
Honestly pretty happy we don’t get to hear Silok rant about the Blooper again in this video. Him just putting it in D with no explanation is much better and funnier than a fifth rant on it.
@joshuabautch8936 it just doest do anything. Throws some ink on your screen and that's it. It's not enough to make it difficult to see, doesn't make your tires slick like some people believe, it's basically useless, and you only get it towards last place. It's objectively the worst item
@ttarion Nonononono whats worse about DS is that you can literally just use the Mic to blow it away almost immediately making it do basically nothing at all, what a wonderfully designed item right?
"And why don't people hate the super horn?", he says at 14:47, right when it's snatched by a Boo Granted, this doesn't change its effectiveness, but I find it funny he talks about its usefulness during a clip where he doesn't use it.
Agreed, a lot of people brush over the fact that, although you can use it to defend against a Spiny Shell, the chances of keeping the horn for that long ( without it getting stolen or used on a lesser item like a red shell ) is very low. It's cool to see something that actually defends against it, while also being balanced at the same time, but it's weird that a lot of fans tend to judge an item's concept on paper rather than the execution...
@@hankpeterschmidt8626 I think that it's fine. The skill check for dodging a blue shell can be too hard for the casual player. Additionally, the chances of getting it in 1st are pretty low, so it's not like it's used every single race every single time a blue shell gets thrown.
Something to consider about the boomerang: you can't snipe yourself by accident if you through it, and it can hit multiple people. Another small note: The banana bunch from N64 can only block 1 hit but the triple can block 3. So the 5 is best for spamming roads, but has the same defensiveness as a single banana.
Even though the thunder cloud screws you over for no reason, I honestly kinda like it. I can’t really explain why either. I guess it’s more for the sake of variation and chaos.
It's actually a really cool item in concept. It just sucks in the actual game and should've been left out in playtesting. It's just no fun for anyone But a cool item nonetheless
Right? Like, don't get me wrong, it sucks and could be so much better, but it fits the madness that is Mario Kart Wii lol Definitely prefer the modding community's version though
Side note: In 8, you normally can't roll 2 coins, so if you get one you'll probably want to hold onto it to make sure the next item isn't a coin if you miss the double box.
Side side note: In addition to this, it's especially nice if it's in the first of your two item slots so if a Boo hits you, it takes the Coin and not your defensive item
@jadenfrancis5469 how does one go about chaining items correctly? It's happened a couple times but the one time I can specifically remember it, I had no items, got a double item box and both items were coins
@@Shadow9923 I don’t know. I’ve never seen that happen to anyone before, including me. Probably some lag or game error when it’s selecting the items for you. Either way, you should always be getting either a defense item with a coin, or two defense items and no coins. This is of course when you’re in first or second. You can pull some non-defensive items in second like a mushroom.
My take is that the fake item box should come back, but be a battle mode exclusive like the feather. Even if it looks identical to the normal item boxes, it’s way too easy to tell when one is fake because of how it’s placed along the track. In battle mode that issue doesn’t really exist though.
I think the boo item thrived most in DS where you can look at the bottom screen and pick when to use it depending on the items your opponent has. Having grown up with DS, this was my favorite thing to do with it, since opponents would have no choice but to use their good items (like stars/lightning/bullets which cant be held behind you) sooner or risk it being stolen.
I can appreciate not JUST hating the lightning cloud and appreciating the concept, but (and im sure im in the minority on this) i feel like the growing aspect of the modded lighting cloud takes away from the concept of the lightning cloud. I LIKE that it acts as a sorta risky boost ahead. I feel like I'd solve it by giving an even bigger speed boost, and maybe being able to repel the shock from it with an item if you time it well enough.
I know you said it was a hot take, but I completely agree with you about the Golden/Super Mushroom. It requires knowledge of the track to pull off and someone like my niece who, isn't really into video games, has played Mario kart with me, and she could not use the Gold mushroom properly and crashed into walls and fell off the course, whereas, when she obtained the bullet, it's a simple press of the button to catch up, and it works, well!! The last thing you want with no knowledge or skills in the game, is an item that requires skill but is meant to help the player.
It's funny you say that since it only seems like items are only good if new players can use it. Like, you might as well remove the triple green shells or the banana since they have better options, but to everyone else you'll be thankful for them.
@@StaminaLossNew players will probably be in the last places, specially if they don't game much, and having an item that gives them a lot of boosts will make them spam it and then mess up the curves since they didn't know better than to do that
@@Mauripsu That's the thing people really focus on. New players You do realise not everyone in low positions are new? People are ignoring the fact that 1) High level/competitive lobbies know the game 2) you are playing with multiple people at least somewhat experienced in the game aka if it goes fast, probably not a good idea to boost while a cliff is in the way or spam it on straight lines you can't fall off of is a good idea 3) you yourself can learn more about the track/lab it to see the best options It's one of those things where by that logic, you might as well remove the triple shrooms since 4-5 mushroom boosts are better than 3. But, where's the fun if every item is just the same broken item? That and the item itself just really isn't that bad.
@@StaminaLoss I personally like the item and I find it useful if people know how to use them, for example in online or with friends who have played MK before, but it's not for everyone It's too tied to the xp of the player imo, when the bullet and the red shells are easier to use and the star lets you maneuver more easily It's not bad by any means, I just think it becomes counterproductive compared to the other last place items, and depending on the player it's gonna be a godsend or suck
@@Mauripsu That's kinda the thing though. You mentioned the star, you might as well lump it with the Golden Mushroom. At least you kind of know the value of it, but again by that logic you should have included the star. When observing new players, the star also screws them just as much as mushrooms in general do. It makes you go faster, which can be a blessing or a curse depending on whose using it. And that logic applies to a lot of items. Why use the banana? Why have a single mushroom when a triple mushroom can appear? It's just logic that's so flawed when you can just be more positive X3
Boomerang flower fan here! I think it’s a really well balanced item. It is like a worse shell, especially if used defensively on turns, but I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing. The mediocre defensive ability is balanced out with its offensive play. Its large hit box makes hitting laggy players online easier, and the ability to discard it for a double item so fast is also a plus. I know most people don’t agree with me, but I really like this item.
The Bullet Bill will be a hard item to top by any new one when it comes to items you can get on the back placings. Everytime I played Wii or 8 Deluxe locally with other people, be it my siblings, my cousins, my friends, etc whoever was further back and got it always celebrated.
I would rather chain a shock into a bullet or star or golden. Just getting a bullet doesn't always do much for you and some tracks it's next to useless online. (Not so much for 8 but for WIi it's useless on like Mario raceway and stuff like that unless the pack is close together.) If the track is shortcut heavy it won't do much for you cause sadly it doesn't take shortcuts.
3:18 To defend the coin here for a minute: Coins are VERY important for balancing purposes, especially in 8DX where you have access to two item slots. Without coins, first place would be at an unfair advantage; they’d have two defensive items at all times with no way for other players to counter outside of blue shells and shocks. 9:43 Bob-ombs can actually be obtained in first place in Double Dash, but ONLY as Wario or Waluigi; Petey and King Boo can only get them in 3rd or lower due to their unique item distribution.
One aspect I don't see people discuss when comparing how Mario Kart games handle the items, is the quantity per map or the respawn time for the item boxes in the game. DS was the version I grew up on, and still appreciate the slightly longer respawn times which would mean in a race you might slow down a touch to get one, making the experience a little more tactical. As opposed to 8 deluxe, where they reload so quickly (plus there being more boxes for the higher player count) that it never feels like you'll miss out on one.
The DS and the arcade titles are probably the specific few in the series where items feel strategic, while Wii and 8DX kind of suffer a little from being over-simplified. The 2nd Item slot 8DX introduced threw any point of strategy out of the window...
@@silokhawkI mean yeah. Everyone knows they aren’t calling the next mainline Mario kart “Mario Kart 10.” It’s going to get its own subtitle. People just use “Mario kart 10” and “Mario kart 9” as shorthand terms for the next mainline Mario kart. No one thinks that’s what they’re actually going to be called.
I mean, some items that are good in other games are not great in Tour. It's mainline, but plays different enough to where it's hard to rank its new items alongside the ones that aren't locked to score-attack gameplay.
I'm one of the few boomerang flower defenders Hits multiple enemies at once Cancels all incoming attacks minus horn/bomb, including the piranha plant One throw can hit a person on the turnaround if you missed them the first time, essentially providing 5 chances to hit people with 1 item (Throw, return, throw, return, throw) you can use a third item whilst the boomerang is out essentially giving you three items for a short time has the single longest range of any non lock on weapon in the entire game (it takes more wall bounces to break than the green shell and goes further overall) and even after being thrown for the third time can still hit more than one person. Isnt timed so you can space out all three shots for maxiumum damage It's a genuinely amazing item, and im sure this comment will go entirely unnoticed but the boomerang flower is an incredible item, easy A tier minimum
So the coin, who can: -stop boo from stealing a protection -hide your bob-omb and horn so you can surprise enemy -help you get back coin you were hit IS D, it's really good for surprise. And blooper can help too, he can: -block vision, so you can't see banana, bob-omb or shell -make your kart slippery You have bad taste (coin on B and blooper C for me)
The tier list is actually pretty good imo, but I would personally change a few things. •Move the coin up to the bottom of C tier. Here’s why: In 8DX, let’s say you’re in 1st place with 10 coins, and you’re frontrunning by a good amount. You pass a double item box and get a coin & a defensive item. Most people would probably just use the coin straight away, but if you do that, your defensive item can now be stolen by Boo. If it’s a Super Horn, you could be hit by a blue shell and can’t be too sure that the next item box, if you even reach it on time, will give you another super horn. However, if you let the boo steal the coin, then that means you now have something to protect you effectively. The main drawback being that you’re vulnerable to other offensive items and you can’t reliably pick up and use a second. I love this dynamic, and it makes the coin really valuable, albeit only during specific occasions. •Move the Boomerang Flower between the Golden Mushroom and Modern Fake Item Box. My reasoning for this is because one throw can hit multiple targets *and* items without being destroyed instantly. Since you’re mostly rolling Boomerang Flowers in middle positions, you’ll have large crowds of opponents to use it on.
You just described why the coin is shit. It can be a shit item taken by a Boo. Now imagine you had two useful items instead and could use either to defend yourself. Hence why the coin even exists - to balance out first place that they get coins so often that they likely will not have two defensive items often. Its purpose is pretty much to be shitty.
In my opinion Bullet Bill and Lightning showed be number 1 and 2 because they are so good people purposely go in the back just to fish for them. Specifically Bullet Bill on certain tracks that allow it to go further can enable getting so much in front than everyone else and they can’t do anything about it.
I love how you IMMEDIATELY open with a disclaimer because of how unlucky you've gotten with kids throwing tantrums over your takes. I for one find your critiques very refreshing and reasonable.
Since you didn't include any of the new Tour items (despite Nintendo definitely thinking it's mainline), I'll give descriptions and rankings for each of them: *Double Bob-Ombs: Two bombs that revolve around you. Idk if you get blown up if one of them gets hit, but either way, 2 is better than 1. B tier right above Bob-Omb. *Fire Flower (Tour): In Tour, the Fire Flower works like the Fireballs in DD, albeit with only 3 fireballs instead of 5, so B tier underneath Fireballs. *Ice Flower: Works like the Fire Flower but freezes racers, causing them to slide around. If this was in 8, it would be hilarious if you froze someone and they slid off the track, but in Tour's context, pretty much right next to Tour's Fire Flower. *Bubble: Basically a slow, passive Bullet Bill. It just slowly carries you along the track but it avoids shortcuts and you can't use items. It also pops if something hits it. D tier. *Banana Barrels: Shoots a whole bunch of bananas onto the track in front of you. Seems cool on paper until you slip on one of your own bananas immediately after. D tier. *Mushroom Cannon: Like Banana Barrels, but with Mushrooms. Problem is your opponents can also grab them, so you're probably helping them more than yourself. Low C tier. *Coin Box: Makes a whole bunch of coins. With Tour's score and combo based gameplay, this is extremely helpful for getting longer combos and higher scores. A tier. *Dash Ring: Makes three large rings in front that will boost you when you go under them, but they also work for your opponents. C tier. *Bob-Omb Cannon: Like the Mushroom Cannon but with bombs. They explode immediately so you don't have to worry about blowing yourself up and is great for stopping a large group in front of you. Low S tier. *Hammer: Throws hammers in an arc. Not sure of the usefulness but I highly doubt its more useful than a shell. C tier. *Giga Bob-omb: A bigger bomb with a wider explosion. It bounces three times before doing so, but it can only be thrown forwards and will explode if you hold it for too long. Mid C tier. *Super Bell: Basically the Super Horn, but three consecutive times. S tier. *Capsule: Surrounds you with 3 pills that bounce around when thrown. Again Idk the usefulness of this, so C tier.
Bob-omb Cannon should be much lower, as it’s often way too hard to aim it properly to do much good with (unless a CPU has it, then they hit all their shots damn near perfectly) Capsules can actually home in on other racers to an extent, so they could be higher
The hammers when used close can actually target the closest person and since they are thrown in bunches of 3 they can remove an item from that person and hit them
Would like to make 1 correction, you can draw bombs in double dash in first. Obviously you have to have a character that can draw bombs, but I usually play as Waluigi and king boo and I get lots of bombs in first.
Disagree about POW Blocks even though I'm sure it's not for a reason that would give it much props on a list like this, but the POW Block is one of the more technical items in the series. You can use it after a quick look at the minimap to target specific players (usually first place) who aren't close to a jump and are approaching a turn. Since even shaking your Wii remote with this locks your direction forward, they'll absolutely need to slow down unless they want to go flying into a wall or take a much worse line. Especially good players can use the drift button to do a frame-perfect hop if they have a good item in a higher spot and want to keep it. None of this will ever cross the mind of most people playing the game though so I totally get its placing.
Piranha Plant is insanely underrated. It eats the blooper, blocks backspam and eats any item hazard you may run into, eats both the item someone is dragging behind them and hurts the player, and gives you 10 boosts.
Banana is actually S Tier because when you’re in first you can drop them on ramps and other precarious spots to make opponents fall off the stage and widen your lead
2:29 in some mario kart entries (e.g. wii), you can roll mushrooms in first, however its only available once you’ve collected at least 15 item boxes in first in the race, so it basically never happens. 10:27 blooper doesn’t do much to players in the early games where it just obstructed vision, but in mk8d it reduces your grip making your drifts worse, and can mess up someone’s game if they’re about to take a shortcut
The golden shroom hate is just so confusing. Mainly in that, you do realise not everyone in a low position is that bad of a player? It can be a legit strat to lag behind and it makes high skill rooms more interesting. It still is really good when knowing how to use it on top strats like spamming it to maximise your speed boost from a boo steal. Even with something like triple mushrooms being able to be taken in a higher position, you do realise not every map is rainbow road and in general 4-5 mushrooms is better than 3 Even with the argument of the Bullet bill exists, by that logic you might as well replace everything in a low position with a bullet.
A thing I think some people sometimes forget is that when you take the coin out of the time roulette in Mario Kart 8, The person in 1st place will barely get knocked back since they never get something that’s not a item to protect them, If they’re extremely good or barley get attacked a lot they won’t fall down from first since they always have something to protect them Also In Mario Kart 8 for some reason every Triple Item has a chance to still hit you even though you have all of them, Idk if I’ve just been unlucky or it’s just bs
Fun fact: In Mario Kart Super Circuit, throwing a red shell behind you will cause it to stand still and target the racer behind you when they pass by it
> "Unlike the banana, you can use the green shell offensively." Have you seen how I Mario Kart? That banana is going forward, and you are going to run into it.
I don't think you realize just how good mushrooms can be for competitive play. It's a more common super horn with more versatility. You can use mushrooms to take shortcuts but you can also dodge blue shells with them too by activating the mushroom as the shell is falling in mk8d. Additionally, you can use them as a way to reach max speed after spinning out which is useful for low acceleration builds. Mushrooms are the swiss army knifes of mk8 and deserve S tier praise not C tier slander ❤
If I remember, the fake item box, and maybe the mega mushroom, were planned for MK7, with item icons, but they don’t work at all. In CTGP for MK7, they were implemented, with the item box not appearing on the mini map and was similar to MKDD in that it reveals it’s fake when you’re close. Also, you can spam the Piranha Plant
I'd be interested in a tier list more about the item's purposes. Obviously coins are a shit item, but their purpose is to nerf the higher positions. Do they do that well? Fake Item Boxes mightve been more convincing in the past, but given how Item Boxes are almost always lined up in specific places, how often does that novelty actually come into play? Etc.
i’m actually a big fan of the boomerang. my favorite thing about it is that it pierces items, so if the person in front of you is blocking, it will still hit.
7:35 i think its also a good idea to take into consideration the fact that at least in wii, the flying blue shell has an extreme stun, throwing you high into the air rather than 8's blue shell that has a shorter stun. i think the flying blue shell should be put at least above the boo.
Solid placements and arguments. I agree with the majority of your takes, but I think boomerang flower should at least be mid B. If used with proper spacing, it can pierce defense items and knock out opponents in one shot that would've been blocked by a green. It's an excellent defensive tool in its own right allowing it to destroy incoming projectiles if thrown backwards with good timing three separate times. Also, it's snipe potential with the third throw is insane.
i’m surprised there was no mention of dodging blue shells with mushrooms, it feels like one of the best uses of those items outside of taking shortcuts and it’s incredibly doable in 8 in particular once you know the timing
1:40 also shout out to the DS iteration of red shells. It may not have been able to fly, but what it could do was end up passing you, doing a 180 and then smacking you right in the face, something I find almost as scary and way more funny lol
The blooper actually does do something to CPU players though. It causes them to swerve and weave left and right and causes their speed to decrease a bit allowing you to get ahead in cpu matches at least.
Boomerang Flower is not a great item for races, but for battle mode, it is insane because of open arenas compared to race tracks, and it is also much more common in battle.
THANK YOU FOR RANKING THE BANANA BUNCH (and Fake Item Box) FROM 64 SEPARATELY. I've seen sooo many videos ranking them the same as a triple banana... And that just shows to me they don't really play MK64 at all.
while tour wasn't included, I feel like it should still be mentioned for items that also exist in tour if there is a significant enough change. The bowser shell for example turns from a giant green shell to a giant red shell in tour in both races and balloon battle
13:48 it's me. i'm its fan. i like how it's the only way to swap the items you're currently holding in 8, and i always found it more useful than a green shell because it moves faster so aiming isn't as precise.
I think the boomerang was done a bit dirty here. The fact that it slices through trail items like bananas and shells and doesn’t break makes it much more powerful than a shell. You basically guarantee a hit every time as long as you aim correctly
man ive been following your channel for a good couple of years now, its a shame to see so many people disregard what you have to say and just skim with the sole purpose of having a contrarian take. ive always loved your content Silok, keep doin you man.
with the pirhana plant is you press the item button it will chomp, meaning you can use it as a weird offensive mushroom (kindof) and can get rid of it earlier
Honestly i really love the pow even now you can still time it right to spin someone out while in a turn and the leaving behind the items can be very useful, if you are in a low spot you might get a star or a mega out of it. Sadly no bills cuz they disappear
Honestly I prefer the POW Block to the Lightning, since it isn't just a "Fuck you" button that automatically stops you in your tracks, you get a warning that it's coming and can avoid its effect if you know what you're doing
boomerang flower is kinda slept on tbh, if an opponent ahead of you is blocking with a shell or a banana it can destroy that item as well as hitting the opponent
Few things to note: 1. In defence of the Mega Mushroom, it increases your radius so you can run into a potential group of opponents and hit a bunch of them unlike the star. If nothing else, it increases your chance to hit at least one opponent, unlike the star where you are too fast to really hit anyone with it, as well as due to your normal size using the star. Also, when attacking the players, they get squashed which lasts a much more longing damage to them unlike the star's damage, where they knock over sure, but can recover much quicker overall. 2. The rotational version of the triple bananas should be tied with the lined-up version of the triple bananas honestly, because where the lined-up version is better for defense, the rotational version is better for offense as you can run into opponents which is a better alternative than having to throw the bananas such as with the lined-up version. 3. The modern version of the fake item box actually caught me off guard alot of the time because, in a far distance and thus 'in hindsight', it's actually is the same color as the normal item box, but as you get closer to it, it changes color to red which is kinda a cool nerf to the original fake, which just felt unfair. Also, once you realised the fake box changed to red, it's hard to avoid it once you notice because you maybe going too fast, especially in 150cc or Mirror and DEFINITELY when playing in ice tracks due to the slippery physics. Strategically, I place the box in front of a speed boost so once the other players notice it changes color, they are too fast to avoid it due to the speed boost and are basically screwed. Just a few things I felt about the items at least.
Great Video and explanation for your choices and also for the giant banana another perk is that if a green/red shell hits a giant banana it doesn't split the only ways it splits into three is if someone collides with it or a chain chomp/Bowser shell collide with it there is a limit of how many can be placed on the track at a time
I feel like in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, they should've had a system similar to the one in Snowboard Kids: collecting coins by doing stuff like tricks in order to use them to get stronger items from shops of sorts within the course.
small correction with the revolving bananas: in 8 deluxe (idk about wii u) you can get them in 1st however not only are they very rare, they are only obtainable in 1st when playing in grand prix
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The coin in Mario 8 actually makes you go faster. So you should put it higher
@@ICEPOP580how about when you need an item to block a shell, get one, then lose 3? +1 coin is technically -2
@@Killerforu215”we” as in the ones who actually do care and don’t skip of course
I just had a thought on some of the items that could be changed slightly in Mario kart 9 whenever it comes out
I think timers on items are kinda mediocre, so my hypothetical solution is as such-
Golden mushroom should be a weaker version of a mushroom, but you get 7 - 12 uses of it so it can be relevant. Not sure how much weaker or use count would be good, but keeping the gimmick of multiple uses should stay.
Fire flower, also no timer, and I think there should be 8 - 10 uses, with the ability to destroy items, but it should have a range nerf so you can't just snipe with it to annoy people.
Piranha plant is a tough one, but I think it should either be similar to the golden mushroom since it has that slight speed boost, just weaker than that, or moreso a focus on biting stuff, having it sit beside you to eat items or enemies near you. I think anything over 5 might be overkill, but if anyone has thoughts on that I'd love to hear.
Boo should have a number timer on the item HUD so you better know how long you're invisible for since that's still a pretty good gimmick it has.
Blooper, honestly I think the idea you had in one video that it should instead ink titres is a great idea, though it could also mess with the steering as well in some minor way, or leave ink puddles on the road to trip people up, moreso a spinout than a knock down.
If tanooki leaf ever returns, I think it should be similar treatment to a triple shell for first place. Not too common to get, but should have 3 uses to defend you without a timer.
The thunder cloud, that should simply allow you to use it whenever you feel like it, plain and simple. Keep the rest the same, but I think being able to time it would make it a much better item.
If they make a lucky 9, my opinion should be that you get a triple banana, triple green, and triple mushroom so it rotates the items you use and you know the order easier.
The fake item box should instead be a decoy mushroom in future games, where it could be either a bomb or banana when you go to pick it up, or maybe a thunderbolt that only is used on whoever picks it up, as a way to scare people from picking items off the ground.
My last thought, a skill check option. Have the coin block a blue shell on a specific frame to reward you for being good at the video game...(Yeah I'd never be able to time it lol)
If anyone has thoughts on if any of this should be fine tuned, or suggestions of their own, I wouldn't mind hearing, cause I'm curious what others think of some of the items in this game
that boo taking the horn right before the blue shell hit you was nasty work.
That Boo is pure evil
Oh trust me it happens more often than it should. Right when you think you’re safe, Boo just says “nah”, and then I throw my controller.
@@Nintenguinturning off Boo, Lightning, and Coins, makes the most satisfying offline races. At least with balanced players - leave those crazy items on if a player is better than others
Could you imagine the Boo working the same way as the Pickpocket item in Beach Buggy Racing 2?
@@pvzmariosonica8fan there is only 2 actual humans that ever played that game and you are both of them
take a shot every time he says that "in some games _____ can be rolled as high as 2nd place"
a bunch specifically in 64. 64 is fucked
3 shots 👌
@@squiddu Don't use swears
@@NotPythagoreashow about YOU don't overreact about the word fuck?
@@silokhawk Given how frequent they were, You should probably call it quits for a while after those shots.
One thing I'd mark as a big positive for the Boomerang Flower: It has priority over a LOT of other offensive items, piercing through them without getting destroyed. Green Shells, Red Shells, Bananas, Fire Flowers and even Pirhana Plants all get trumped by it. Only things like explosives and the Super Horn actually destroy the boomerang, so in mid-pack fights it can be way more useful than you'd think!
Finally! Another boomerang defender.
Boomerang is actually broken in some scenarios
@@Bman_Iggy Mhm! Should also be noted that Battle mode makes the Boomerang Flower absolutely a top tier item, it's insane how much you can get done with it when people are forced to directly combat it
Yes! Finally more people who noticed
That's exactly what makes it a bad item
skipped to the end and I can't believe you ranked bloopers and coins at the very top smh my head unsubscribing
Lol
Blooper is only mediocre in multiplayer and online but in single player it the worst because the CPUs don't need to have the screen blocked
@@patrickquinones2533it slows down the CPU and makes them zig zag around the track
What
Do you mean bottom
@@BrandonEpicGamerit’s a joke about people who skip to the end
5:38 Bullet Bill’s name being Mr. Bill is now canon and you can’t change my mind
Bullet Billy might also be canon
Bullet William
Well he did make Mario Kart, of course it's canon
please, Mr. Bill was my father, call me Bullet
Bullet Willy
Honestly pretty happy we don’t get to hear Silok rant about the Blooper again in this video. Him just putting it in D with no explanation is much better and funnier than a fifth rant on it.
Why does he hate it so much?
@joshuabautch8936 it just doest do anything. Throws some ink on your screen and that's it. It's not enough to make it difficult to see, doesn't make your tires slick like some people believe, it's basically useless, and you only get it towards last place. It's objectively the worst item
@@joshuabautch8936 the Blooper puts new players at a disadvantage while doing absolutely nothing to people who know the track by heart.
@@BoardGamesBricksHobbiesOn DS and 7 in particular it doesn't even do that since you can just look at the bottom screen
@ttarion Nonononono whats worse about DS is that you can literally just use the Mic to blow it away almost immediately making it do basically nothing at all, what a wonderfully designed item right?
Side note: The POW is technically able to be completely dodged from anywhere, granted you land the frame perfect hop.
I’d be perfectly fine if they kept the frame perfect hop but removed the waggle tech if it was put in a future game
Seeing a guy with triple reds sends you back to 2020 with the 2 meters guidelines
6ft or 2m
6ft*
Disgusting, Am*ricans have infested this chat...
2m*
"And why don't people hate the super horn?", he says at 14:47, right when it's snatched by a Boo
Granted, this doesn't change its effectiveness, but I find it funny he talks about its usefulness during a clip where he doesn't use it.
Agreed, a lot of people brush over the fact that, although you can use it to defend against a Spiny Shell, the chances of keeping the horn for that long ( without it getting stolen or used on a lesser item like a red shell ) is very low.
It's cool to see something that actually defends against it, while also being balanced at the same time, but it's weird that a lot of fans tend to judge an item's concept on paper rather than the execution...
@@Tyrannee I mean, you can't exactly rate an item's quality based on how unlucky you are during a real race; that's not necessarily fair.
I personally hate it for it being a non-skill blue shell avoidance.
Gameplay-wise it might be high tier but inspiration wise I’d put it at the bottom.
@@hankpeterschmidt8626 I think that it's fine. The skill check for dodging a blue shell can be too hard for the casual player. Additionally, the chances of getting it in 1st are pretty low, so it's not like it's used every single race every single time a blue shell gets thrown.
Something to consider about the boomerang: you can't snipe yourself by accident if you through it, and it can hit multiple people. Another small note: The banana bunch from N64 can only block 1 hit but the triple can block 3. So the 5 is best for spamming roads, but has the same defensiveness as a single banana.
The boomerang also cracks defenses.
Is that person with triple reds scaring you?
The boomerang can break 2-3 of those and also hit them.
Doesn’t the Banana Bunch also make the sound effect of bowling pins being knocked over if something collides with it?
@@TheDMan2003 Yup, it's a very funny hit noise!
Even though the thunder cloud screws you over for no reason, I honestly kinda like it. I can’t really explain why either. I guess it’s more for the sake of variation and chaos.
It's actually a really cool item in concept.
It just sucks in the actual game and should've been left out in playtesting. It's just no fun for anyone
But a cool item nonetheless
Right? Like, don't get me wrong, it sucks and could be so much better, but it fits the madness that is Mario Kart Wii lol
Definitely prefer the modding community's version though
I agree! I don’t know why people dislike it so much. It’s a cool item and can actually make for some fun plays
It actually goes a bit faster and ignores off-road, like a Star. There's been quite a few times where I've been happy to get a Thunder Cloud.
Side note: In 8, you normally can't roll 2 coins, so if you get one you'll probably want to hold onto it to make sure the next item isn't a coin if you miss the double box.
Side side note: In addition to this, it's especially nice if it's in the first of your two item slots so if a Boo hits you, it takes the Coin and not your defensive item
I've heard so many people say this but I've gotten 2 coins in first place many times online
@@Shadow9923 You probably aren't chaining your items correctly.
@jadenfrancis5469 how does one go about chaining items correctly? It's happened a couple times but the one time I can specifically remember it, I had no items, got a double item box and both items were coins
@@Shadow9923 I don’t know. I’ve never seen that happen to anyone before, including me. Probably some lag or game error when it’s selecting the items for you. Either way, you should always be getting either a defense item with a coin, or two defense items and no coins.
This is of course when you’re in first or second. You can pull some non-defensive items in second like a mushroom.
My take is that the fake item box should come back, but be a battle mode exclusive like the feather.
Even if it looks identical to the normal item boxes, it’s way too easy to tell when one is fake because of how it’s placed along the track. In battle mode that issue doesn’t really exist though.
64 and DS were the better versions.
I'll give the coin some credit in 8, at the very least if you're already holding a coin your next item is guaranteed to be something else
But if the coin didn’t exist in 8, you’d be guaranteed to get an item that isn’t the coin.
As Shigeru Miyamoto this is the best tier list I've ever seen in my goddamn life
I think the boo item thrived most in DS where you can look at the bottom screen and pick when to use it depending on the items your opponent has. Having grown up with DS, this was my favorite thing to do with it, since opponents would have no choice but to use their good items (like stars/lightning/bullets which cant be held behind you) sooner or risk it being stolen.
I can appreciate not JUST hating the lightning cloud and appreciating the concept, but (and im sure im in the minority on this) i feel like the growing aspect of the modded lighting cloud takes away from the concept of the lightning cloud. I LIKE that it acts as a sorta risky boost ahead. I feel like I'd solve it by giving an even bigger speed boost, and maybe being able to repel the shock from it with an item if you time it well enough.
I know you said it was a hot take, but I completely agree with you about the Golden/Super Mushroom. It requires knowledge of the track to pull off and someone like my niece who, isn't really into video games, has played Mario kart with me, and she could not use the Gold mushroom properly and crashed into walls and fell off the course, whereas, when she obtained the bullet, it's a simple press of the button to catch up, and it works, well!! The last thing you want with no knowledge or skills in the game, is an item that requires skill but is meant to help the player.
It's funny you say that since it only seems like items are only good if new players can use it.
Like, you might as well remove the triple green shells or the banana since they have better options, but to everyone else you'll be thankful for them.
@@StaminaLossNew players will probably be in the last places, specially if they don't game much, and having an item that gives them a lot of boosts will make them spam it and then mess up the curves since they didn't know better than to do that
@@Mauripsu That's the thing people really focus on. New players
You do realise not everyone in low positions are new? People are ignoring the fact that 1) High level/competitive lobbies know the game
2) you are playing with multiple people at least somewhat experienced in the game aka if it goes fast, probably not a good idea to boost while a cliff is in the way or spam it on straight lines you can't fall off of is a good idea
3) you yourself can learn more about the track/lab it to see the best options
It's one of those things where by that logic, you might as well remove the triple shrooms since 4-5 mushroom boosts are better than 3. But, where's the fun if every item is just the same broken item?
That and the item itself just really isn't that bad.
@@StaminaLoss I personally like the item and I find it useful if people know how to use them, for example in online or with friends who have played MK before, but it's not for everyone
It's too tied to the xp of the player imo, when the bullet and the red shells are easier to use and the star lets you maneuver more easily
It's not bad by any means, I just think it becomes counterproductive compared to the other last place items, and depending on the player it's gonna be a godsend or suck
@@Mauripsu That's kinda the thing though. You mentioned the star, you might as well lump it with the Golden Mushroom.
At least you kind of know the value of it, but again by that logic you should have included the star. When observing new players, the star also screws them just as much as mushrooms in general do. It makes you go faster, which can be a blessing or a curse depending on whose using it.
And that logic applies to a lot of items. Why use the banana? Why have a single mushroom when a triple mushroom can appear?
It's just logic that's so flawed when you can just be more positive X3
Boomerang flower fan here! I think it’s a really well balanced item. It is like a worse shell, especially if used defensively on turns, but I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing. The mediocre defensive ability is balanced out with its offensive play. Its large hit box makes hitting laggy players online easier, and the ability to discard it for a double item so fast is also a plus. I know most people don’t agree with me, but I really like this item.
It also pierces right through defence items
0:53 I think you might’ve upset a certain crocodile with that rule
Oh WOW it's such an honor to meet the CREATOR of Mario Kart, such an honor sir!!
The Bullet Bill will be a hard item to top by any new one when it comes to items you can get on the back placings. Everytime I played Wii or 8 Deluxe locally with other people, be it my siblings, my cousins, my friends, etc whoever was further back and got it always celebrated.
I would rather chain a shock into a bullet or star or golden. Just getting a bullet doesn't always do much for you and some tracks it's next to useless online. (Not so much for 8 but for WIi it's useless on like Mario raceway and stuff like that unless the pack is close together.) If the track is shortcut heavy it won't do much for you cause sadly it doesn't take shortcuts.
3:18 To defend the coin here for a minute:
Coins are VERY important for balancing purposes, especially in 8DX where you have access to two item slots. Without coins, first place would be at an unfair advantage; they’d have two defensive items at all times with no way for other players to counter outside of blue shells and shocks.
9:43 Bob-ombs can actually be obtained in first place in Double Dash, but ONLY as Wario or Waluigi; Petey and King Boo can only get them in 3rd or lower due to their unique item distribution.
Yep.
One aspect I don't see people discuss when comparing how Mario Kart games handle the items, is the quantity per map or the respawn time for the item boxes in the game.
DS was the version I grew up on, and still appreciate the slightly longer respawn times which would mean in a race you might slow down a touch to get one, making the experience a little more tactical.
As opposed to 8 deluxe, where they reload so quickly (plus there being more boxes for the higher player count) that it never feels like you'll miss out on one.
The DS and the arcade titles are probably the specific few in the series where items feel strategic, while Wii and 8DX kind of suffer a little from being over-simplified. The 2nd Item slot 8DX introduced threw any point of strategy out of the window...
And then there's Tour, where item boxes literally never despawn, and you can get them even when it looks like they're not there
“We’re only covering the mainline entries”
>Excludes tour
Upvoting your own comment aside; You're insane if you think they'll call the next game in the series _"Mario Kart 10"_ as if to say Tour was 9.
@@silokhawkI mean yeah. Everyone knows they aren’t calling the next mainline Mario kart “Mario Kart 10.” It’s going to get its own subtitle. People just use “Mario kart 10” and “Mario kart 9” as shorthand terms for the next mainline Mario kart. No one thinks that’s what they’re actually going to be called.
@@silokhawkHis comment was *genuine* criticism not even hateful, so no need to get pressed so as to call out that he may have upvoted his own comment.
I mean, some items that are good in other games are not great in Tour. It's mainline, but plays different enough to where it's hard to rank its new items alongside the ones that aren't locked to score-attack gameplay.
@eternalhoney2024 Because Tour isn’t called Mario Kart 9?????? They aren’t going to go 7, 8, Tour, 10????????
I'm one of the few boomerang flower defenders
Hits multiple enemies at once
Cancels all incoming attacks minus horn/bomb, including the piranha plant
One throw can hit a person on the turnaround if you missed them the first time, essentially providing 5 chances to hit people with 1 item (Throw, return, throw, return, throw)
you can use a third item whilst the boomerang is out essentially giving you three items for a short time
has the single longest range of any non lock on weapon in the entire game (it takes more wall bounces to break than the green shell and goes further overall) and even after being thrown for the third time can still hit more than one person.
Isnt timed so you can space out all three shots for maxiumum damage
It's a genuinely amazing item, and im sure this comment will go entirely unnoticed but the boomerang flower is an incredible item, easy A tier minimum
So the coin, who can:
-stop boo from stealing a protection
-hide your bob-omb and horn so you can surprise enemy
-help you get back coin you were hit
IS D, it's really good for surprise. And blooper can help too, he can:
-block vision, so you can't see banana, bob-omb or shell
-make your kart slippery
You have bad taste (coin on B and blooper C for me)
For me it's not a good tier list, horn overrated, boo, flowers, blooper and coin underrated. But it's my opinion
@@killiandelourme
I second (no pun intended) the Boo. It's the Swiss Army knife of Items: protects you, screws-over a rival, and gives you a spare.
@@AntiVillain26845 I put boo in top 3 item, either 3 or 2 and maybe 1st, with shock and star
the littlebigplanet karting music in the background is peak music choice
Lovely choice for music. Bringing back so many memories of LBP Karting...
The tier list is actually pretty good imo, but I would personally change a few things.
•Move the coin up to the bottom of C tier. Here’s why: In 8DX, let’s say you’re in 1st place with 10 coins, and you’re frontrunning by a good amount. You pass a double item box and get a coin & a defensive item. Most people would probably just use the coin straight away, but if you do that, your defensive item can now be stolen by Boo. If it’s a Super Horn, you could be hit by a blue shell and can’t be too sure that the next item box, if you even reach it on time, will give you another super horn. However, if you let the boo steal the coin, then that means you now have something to protect you effectively. The main drawback being that you’re vulnerable to other offensive items and you can’t reliably pick up and use a second. I love this dynamic, and it makes the coin really valuable, albeit only during specific occasions.
•Move the Boomerang Flower between the Golden Mushroom and Modern Fake Item Box. My reasoning for this is because one throw can hit multiple targets *and* items without being destroyed instantly. Since you’re mostly rolling Boomerang Flowers in middle positions, you’ll have large crowds of opponents to use it on.
You just described why the coin is shit. It can be a shit item taken by a Boo. Now imagine you had two useful items instead and could use either to defend yourself. Hence why the coin even exists - to balance out first place that they get coins so often that they likely will not have two defensive items often. Its purpose is pretty much to be shitty.
Crying because of discord replacing patreon in outro
It was a very nice season
In my opinion Bullet Bill and Lightning showed be number 1 and 2 because they are so good people purposely go in the back just to fish for them. Specifically Bullet Bill on certain tracks that allow it to go further can enable getting so much in front than everyone else and they can’t do anything about it.
Yoooo I'm actually super excited for this video! Was litteraly re-watching the booster pass video! 🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️
We don’t have any evidence to support against the fact that silo is working on Mario kart 9
I love how you IMMEDIATELY open with a disclaimer because of how unlucky you've gotten with kids throwing tantrums over your takes. I for one find your critiques very refreshing and reasonable.
Since you didn't include any of the new Tour items (despite Nintendo definitely thinking it's mainline), I'll give descriptions and rankings for each of them:
*Double Bob-Ombs: Two bombs that revolve around you. Idk if you get blown up if one of them gets hit, but either way, 2 is better than 1. B tier right above Bob-Omb.
*Fire Flower (Tour): In Tour, the Fire Flower works like the Fireballs in DD, albeit with only 3 fireballs instead of 5, so B tier underneath Fireballs.
*Ice Flower: Works like the Fire Flower but freezes racers, causing them to slide around. If this was in 8, it would be hilarious if you froze someone and they slid off the track, but in Tour's context, pretty much right next to Tour's Fire Flower.
*Bubble: Basically a slow, passive Bullet Bill. It just slowly carries you along the track but it avoids shortcuts and you can't use items. It also pops if something hits it. D tier.
*Banana Barrels: Shoots a whole bunch of bananas onto the track in front of you. Seems cool on paper until you slip on one of your own bananas immediately after. D tier.
*Mushroom Cannon: Like Banana Barrels, but with Mushrooms. Problem is your opponents can also grab them, so you're probably helping them more than yourself. Low C tier.
*Coin Box: Makes a whole bunch of coins. With Tour's score and combo based gameplay, this is extremely helpful for getting longer combos and higher scores. A tier.
*Dash Ring: Makes three large rings in front that will boost you when you go under them, but they also work for your opponents. C tier.
*Bob-Omb Cannon: Like the Mushroom Cannon but with bombs. They explode immediately so you don't have to worry about blowing yourself up and is great for stopping a large group in front of you. Low S tier.
*Hammer: Throws hammers in an arc. Not sure of the usefulness but I highly doubt its more useful than a shell. C tier.
*Giga Bob-omb: A bigger bomb with a wider explosion. It bounces three times before doing so, but it can only be thrown forwards and will explode if you hold it for too long. Mid C tier.
*Super Bell: Basically the Super Horn, but three consecutive times. S tier.
*Capsule: Surrounds you with 3 pills that bounce around when thrown. Again Idk the usefulness of this, so C tier.
Bob-omb Cannon should be much lower, as it’s often way too hard to aim it properly to do much good with (unless a CPU has it, then they hit all their shots damn near perfectly)
Capsules can actually home in on other racers to an extent, so they could be higher
The hammers when used close can actually target the closest person and since they are thrown in bunches of 3 they can remove an item from that person and hit them
Would like to make 1 correction, you can draw bombs in double dash in first. Obviously you have to have a character that can draw bombs, but I usually play as Waluigi and king boo and I get lots of bombs in first.
Disagree about POW Blocks even though I'm sure it's not for a reason that would give it much props on a list like this, but the POW Block is one of the more technical items in the series. You can use it after a quick look at the minimap to target specific players (usually first place) who aren't close to a jump and are approaching a turn. Since even shaking your Wii remote with this locks your direction forward, they'll absolutely need to slow down unless they want to go flying into a wall or take a much worse line. Especially good players can use the drift button to do a frame-perfect hop if they have a good item in a higher spot and want to keep it.
None of this will ever cross the mind of most people playing the game though so I totally get its placing.
"I'm thinking B... for banana" already starting off as perfection
3:21 Jordan, you are such a man of culture!
Piranha Plant is insanely underrated. It eats the blooper, blocks backspam and eats any item hazard you may run into, eats both the item someone is dragging behind them and hurts the player, and gives you 10 boosts.
Mario Kart Tour is mainline though. Nintendo said it out their own mouths and the entire Booster Course pass was because of Mario Kart Tour. 💀
Not funny
Didn't laugh
@@Pyrodiac Wasn't Joking
Don't Care.
@@jourdonpatron212 I wasn't saying that you were joking.
Banana is actually S Tier because when you’re in first you can drop them on ramps and other precarious spots to make opponents fall off the stage and widen your lead
Piranha Plant also can be used at will like a golden mushroom if you spam the button, it’s not just limited to boosts every couple seconds on its own
2:29 in some mario kart entries (e.g. wii), you can roll mushrooms in first, however its only available once you’ve collected at least 15 item boxes in first in the race, so it basically never happens.
10:27 blooper doesn’t do much to players in the early games where it just obstructed vision, but in mk8d it reduces your grip making your drifts worse, and can mess up someone’s game if they’re about to take a shortcut
I love the boomerang it’s just fun to use in battle mode but I can’t deny it’s lacking elsewhere
Boomerang flower fan here. Gives me the most satisfaction to use and land. Hitting someone with the boomerang is the ultimate show of marksmanship
Loved the Veggietales reference! Loved the rankings! Keep up the good work!👍
Well, good thing this is a silly mario kart tier list, so it’s unlikely anyone will get mad over it…right?
All you said about the horn is 👌
10 years later and I had no idea the piranha plant eats bloopers
bloopers can be surprisingly effective in 8 deluxe split-screen local multiplayer. Especially if you're playing at 200cc where every turn matters
I love that you added the Crazy 8 below the Lucky 7 _just_ because of the coin lol
The golden shroom hate is just so confusing.
Mainly in that, you do realise not everyone in a low position is that bad of a player?
It can be a legit strat to lag behind and it makes high skill rooms more interesting. It still is really good when knowing how to use it on top strats like spamming it to maximise your speed boost from a boo steal. Even with something like triple mushrooms being able to be taken in a higher position, you do realise not every map is rainbow road and in general 4-5 mushrooms is better than 3
Even with the argument of the Bullet bill exists, by that logic you might as well replace everything in a low position with a bullet.
A thing I think some people sometimes forget is that when you take the coin out of the time roulette in Mario Kart 8, The person in 1st place will barely get knocked back since they never get something that’s not a item to protect them, If they’re extremely good or barley get attacked a lot they won’t fall down from first since they always have something to protect them
Also In Mario Kart 8 for some reason every Triple Item has a chance to still hit you even though you have all of them, Idk if I’ve just been unlucky or it’s just bs
Fun fact: In Mario Kart Super Circuit, throwing a red shell behind you will cause it to stand still and target the racer behind you when they pass by it
I would have ranked the MK8 blooper separately like you did with the fake box, since it's not useless like the blooper in Wii.
> "Unlike the banana, you can use the green shell offensively."
Have you seen how I Mario Kart? That banana is going forward, and you are going to run into it.
I don't think you realize just how good mushrooms can be for competitive play. It's a more common super horn with more versatility. You can use mushrooms to take shortcuts but you can also dodge blue shells with them too by activating the mushroom as the shell is falling in mk8d. Additionally, you can use them as a way to reach max speed after spinning out which is useful for low acceleration builds.
Mushrooms are the swiss army knifes of mk8 and deserve S tier praise not C tier slander ❤
If I remember, the fake item box, and maybe the mega mushroom, were planned for MK7, with item icons, but they don’t work at all. In CTGP for MK7, they were implemented, with the item box not appearing on the mini map and was similar to MKDD in that it reveals it’s fake when you’re close. Also, you can spam the Piranha Plant
I'd be interested in a tier list more about the item's purposes. Obviously coins are a shit item, but their purpose is to nerf the higher positions. Do they do that well? Fake Item Boxes mightve been more convincing in the past, but given how Item Boxes are almost always lined up in specific places, how often does that novelty actually come into play? Etc.
i’m actually a big fan of the boomerang. my favorite thing about it is that it pierces items, so if the person in front of you is blocking, it will still hit.
7:35 i think its also a good idea to take into consideration the fact that at least in wii, the flying blue shell has an extreme stun, throwing you high into the air rather than 8's blue shell that has a shorter stun. i think the flying blue shell should be put at least above the boo.
I know why they put the Golden Mushroom and Bullet Bill in the same area, Bullet can be a broken, there's skill needed
Great video as always! You should make a follow up video (or community post) with your ideal item rotation and likelihoods per placing.
Says how useful the super horn is
Immediatly gets it stolen in the clip
💀
Aaaaaaaaa, the fake item box in N64 Mario Kart was so based with its appearance, yeah.. ;u;
Nice tierlist!
Solid placements and arguments. I agree with the majority of your takes, but I think boomerang flower should at least be mid B. If used with proper spacing, it can pierce defense items and knock out opponents in one shot that would've been blocked by a green. It's an excellent defensive tool in its own right allowing it to destroy incoming projectiles if thrown backwards with good timing three separate times. Also, it's snipe potential with the third throw is insane.
“I’m pissed at video games and that’s why I made a TH-cam channel.” It feels a little personal for some reason.
another fun fact about the cloud, it makes you (slightly) faster while its active
Mario Kart is just so fun to talk about, think about, play, discuss, and listen to.
After all these years, I had no idea that the Piranha Plant ate the Blooper until today.
2:55 In mario kart super circuit, I once stole lighting with a boo... while in first place. That was fun
i’m surprised there was no mention of dodging blue shells with mushrooms, it feels like one of the best uses of those items outside of taking shortcuts and it’s incredibly doable in 8 in particular once you know the timing
the boomerang should be higher as it will break all trail items in the path. so you can break everyone’s. Triple reds or greens.
1:40 also shout out to the DS iteration of red shells. It may not have been able to fly, but what it could do was end up passing you, doing a 180 and then smacking you right in the face, something I find almost as scary and way more funny lol
The blooper actually does do something to CPU players though. It causes them to swerve and weave left and right and causes their speed to decrease a bit allowing you to get ahead in cpu matches at least.
Boomerang Flower is not a great item for races, but for battle mode, it is insane because of open arenas compared to race tracks, and it is also much more common in battle.
THANK YOU FOR RANKING THE BANANA BUNCH (and Fake Item Box) FROM 64 SEPARATELY. I've seen sooo many videos ranking them the same as a triple banana... And that just shows to me they don't really play MK64 at all.
I would say to move the mushroom up to A tier because in 8 and Wii you can dodge a blue shell
Fun fact: Pirahna Plant doesn’t actually have to activate by itself. You can press ZL to chomp manually.
while tour wasn't included, I feel like it should still be mentioned for items that also exist in tour if there is a significant enough change. The bowser shell for example turns from a giant green shell to a giant red shell in tour in both races and balloon battle
13:48 it's me. i'm its fan.
i like how it's the only way to swap the items you're currently holding in 8, and i always found it more useful than a green shell because it moves faster so aiming isn't as precise.
Jacobs are gonna be so pissed dude...
6:35 - AWESOME reference! I grew up with the classic VeggieTales stuff, so it's ingrained into my head
I think the boomerang was done a bit dirty here. The fact that it slices through trail items like bananas and shells and doesn’t break makes it much more powerful than a shell. You basically guarantee a hit every time as long as you aim correctly
The boomerang I’d put in B, it negates defensive items, so if someone is trailing a shell or banana it will break it and hit the player.
“If you’re rolling [the golden mushroom] you’re probably not good”.
Allow me to introduce: Bagging.
man ive been following your channel for a good couple of years now, its a shame to see so many people disregard what you have to say and just skim with the sole purpose of having a contrarian take. ive always loved your content Silok, keep doin you man.
with the pirhana plant is you press the item button it will chomp, meaning you can use it as a weird offensive mushroom (kindof) and can get rid of it earlier
Honestly i really love the pow even now
you can still time it right to spin someone out while in a turn
and the leaving behind the items can be very useful, if you are in a low spot you might get a star or a mega out of it. Sadly no bills cuz they disappear
Honestly I prefer the POW Block to the Lightning, since it isn't just a "Fuck you" button that automatically stops you in your tracks, you get a warning that it's coming and can avoid its effect if you know what you're doing
boomerang flower is kinda slept on tbh, if an opponent ahead of you is blocking with a shell or a banana it can destroy that item as well as hitting the opponent
Few things to note:
1. In defence of the Mega Mushroom, it increases your radius so you can run into a potential group of opponents and hit a bunch of them unlike the star. If nothing else, it increases your chance to hit at least one opponent, unlike the star where you are too fast to really hit anyone with it, as well as due to your normal size using the star. Also, when attacking the players, they get squashed which lasts a much more longing damage to them unlike the star's damage, where they knock over sure, but can recover much quicker overall.
2. The rotational version of the triple bananas should be tied with the lined-up version of the triple bananas honestly, because where the lined-up version is better for defense, the rotational version is better for offense as you can run into opponents which is a better alternative than having to throw the bananas such as with the lined-up version.
3. The modern version of the fake item box actually caught me off guard alot of the time because, in a far distance and thus 'in hindsight', it's actually is the same color as the normal item box, but as you get closer to it, it changes color to red which is kinda a cool nerf to the original fake, which just felt unfair. Also, once you realised the fake box changed to red, it's hard to avoid it once you notice because you maybe going too fast, especially in 150cc or Mirror and DEFINITELY when playing in ice tracks due to the slippery physics. Strategically, I place the box in front of a speed boost so once the other players notice it changes color, they are too fast to avoid it due to the speed boost and are basically screwed.
Just a few things I felt about the items at least.
Giant Bananas and Bowser Shells were so threatening imo that I blocked any shortcuts people tried to take with them.
Great Video and explanation for your choices and also for the giant banana another perk is that if a green/red shell hits a giant banana it doesn't split the only ways it splits into three is if someone collides with it or a chain chomp/Bowser shell collide with it there is a limit of how many can be placed on the track at a time
I feel like in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, they should've had a system similar to the one in Snowboard Kids: collecting coins by doing stuff like tricks in order to use them to get stronger items from shops of sorts within the course.
small correction with the revolving bananas: in 8 deluxe (idk about wii u) you can get them in 1st however not only are they very rare, they are only obtainable in 1st when playing in grand prix
The N64 Blue Shell could also be held behind you as an indestructible shield, only breaking when hit by another Blue shell, which broke both shells