Can You Beat Super Mario 64 DS Without Jumping?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2023
- I've been wanting to get to this one for a LONG while...Hey there, guys, and welcome to the Reptile Rumble! In this video, I'm trying to find out if you can beat Super Mario 64 DS without jumping! How far can we get without Mario's signature move? Is it even possible to beat Bowser this way...? Let's find out!
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Heyyyy so I somehow missed this video until now, so thanks for the shoutout !
This video is really really well done :D I was not expecting SM64DS content, but I'm always glad to see it !
Also, I myself attempted this run without savestates, and there are a few things that I have to add to this video, but I also learned some strats that I didn't think of !
I was really surprised how you were able to pound the switch using the box ! There's another tech to ground pound anywhere as long as there's a corner, that you can use to pound the switch. (CGP for corner ground pound)
On the things I did know, though:
On my DS (so no savestates at all) I have managed to get even more stars without jumping.
I managed to unlock Wario without savestates as well, I did it by performing a portal to land on the unloaded room and load it by leaving it (it's called the Permanently Loaded Room glitch), so that I could do another *consecutive* heaven portal while the textures fromm the mirror room were loaded. This let me aim for the painting much more accurately.
On top of your 81 stars, here's what I got:
BBH 100, I had to climb the stairs for a 3rd time in order to get enough coins 💀
LLL 5. You were right at 1:08:27 ! You can use this trick to get the first star, but not the one with the pole in the middle. This one still isn't even possible with TAS :(
DDD 100, where you have to get every coin from the black boxes and almost every coins from the skeeters at the start. I think there are max 105 reachable coins.
TTM 1, 2, 4, 7, 100. I figured out that you can use the giant mushroom from one of the wooden poles to kick over the big gap. Extremely tight timing to pull of and very annoying, because you have to do a CGP to pound the pole without jumping.
THI 1, 2, 3, 4, 100. I found a setup to heaven portal straight into the big island painting. Pretty stupid to figure out but can get consistent.
TTC 3, 6. Same trick, heaven portal. Make sure to enter with random time, otherwise you won't be able to climb the first part. Tricky but forgiving climb.
RR 2, 3, 4, 5, 100. Heaven portal, and also to get star 4 and 5 you have to get balloon mario in the big house, use the winds to get hyper speed and do a groundpound of faith once you're above those stars. If you fail you go back up the carpet again.
CCC black box star. After unlocking Wario, I had to redo the two consecutive heaven portals to enter Wario's stage. Here, I put his cap on and collect the star stuck in the black box
Btw, this means you can get 80 stars without using any heaven portals ! Though you still need one to get to BitS as Yoshi...
These are 21 additionnal stars, which means my score issss... 103 stars ! ummm somehow this doesn't add up and idk why lol
Now theoretically, it might be possible to get a few more stars:
WF 1 and 2, you can use CGP on King Whomp, it's still extremely stupid and precise, but at least you don't have to time it with the spinning platforms anymore, so I can see it being done.
THI 6, it might be possible to bring the tiny koopa to help pounding the top of the island, but no consistent setup has been found yet.
TTM 6, I actually thought of something while writing this comment, you can get on top of the mountain, get the wings as Mario, go back down and take the cannon, fire, and use an exploit about flying against OoB to get a lot of height and collect the coins in the rings. Time to grind this one !
This would bring the total to 107 stars ! 15 stars away from the TAS score on version 1.1, and 24 stars away on 1.0
Finally, About BitS. I spent many hours searching for a setup to bring the goomba to the spinning platform, but the seesaw platform is just too chaotic. It's too hard for me at least. The rest of the level can be done pretty consistently though ! In fact, I've done a complete run of this game with only 1 B press.
And I am currently the WR holder :D
Out of 1 run D:
Well, that wraps up everything I wanted to say ! Once again, amazing video ! SM64DS doesn't sell as much as its N64 counterpart, but it's soooo fun to play around with it :)
While the SM64 ABC is an insane challenge for TASers, and the any% 0xA quest is still to this day going on, I feel like the SM64DS BBC is a challenge for RTA. It's not impossible that we'll se a full 0xB run in the future, but it would require new strategies and a crazy level of dedication !
oh btw we have an inactive discord where I document most of my strats for this challenge ! (how exciting ! An inactive discord !)
Hey, I'm really glad to see you here! You were one of the main inspirations for this run, so I'm glad you did enjoy it. As for the stars...I felt there were definitely more stars that were possible, but I had a very hard time just getting 80 together like I wanted. I think I saw the corner ground pound trick, but I didn't think I could pull it off humanly. Should've given it a better try, seeing as how it would've potentially gotten several more stars.
I don't think I knew you could keep a room loaded that way...It indeed would have helped a lot, though I would have gotten it eventually without savestates. I don't think I would've been able to handle the Goomba escort without savestates, though. Not without spending a really, really long time practicing, at least. It'll be amazing if someone does eventually manage a 0xB run, whether it's you or a new challenger!
Thanks again for showing up and commenting here, especially with such a detailed comment! This is a pretty interesting challenge, especially when you take the RIG out of the equation.
Lastly, that inactive discord is how I ended up finding your Discord account. I think I'm actually still in there!
@@NovemberJoy No it's another even less active discord server lmao
..this shit is bananas
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I do think save state usage there is fair, it didn’t give you any unfair advantage, just helped save hours of otherwise wasted time, and you still had to pull off those really hard tricks legitimately. Also, good vid :)
This is what I was thinking, but I wanted to ask anyway. After all, you guys are a major reason to keep doing these videos. Glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
Agree 100%
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Agreed. The question was if it was possible, not if you could do it in one go
@@luce_777_not to mention the amount of time per attempt would just be frustrating
The baby penguin was like “I’m done with whatever the hell your trying to do. I’ll just come down myself.”
He had enough of being "stuck" up there, I suppose. I'm glad he did, because it would've taken a lot longer otherwise!
Yoo isaac pfp I just got done playing lol
"Things might heat up a little as we enter Bowser's opening." 💀💀💀
Interpret that line however you will...even if it is taken from Nathaniel Bandy.
RE: Save state use in a challenge like this:
There's a point where a challenge stops being "Am I, personally, capable of doing this difficult thing" (EG: Dark souls hitless) and becomes "Is it possible, within the mechanics of the game, to achieve this?" (EG:... well, Mario 64 jumpless.)
And when it reaches that point, when the difficulty moves to being less about execution, and more about the effort of trying Over and Over hoping for the RNG to be right? Yeah, tool assist away!
You've only got so much time, and we wanna know if it's Possible, even if highly improbable!
Also, the less time you spend headbutting a brick wall down, the more time you have for the next video of headbutting a New brick wall down.
I think this explanation makes sense - there is a lot of difficulty in execution as well, but there's also a difference between "You can totally beat this, but can I pull it off?" vs. "Is this even possible?" I'm glad it worked out, thanks for the comment!
@@NovemberJoyI agree
As long as he's open about the fact that he's doing it, I feel like there's no issue.
I know this video is fake because my friend in school told me that you unlock Waluigi by beating the game without jumping
Sorry to tell you, but your friend might've been joking. I don't think his uncle actually works at Nintendo, sorry to say. Thanks for the comment, though!
@@NovemberJoy Friends don't joke around like that, it's more likely that you're wrong and feel bad about faking this video. I had a close look at some of the pixels and it's not looking good for you. AI generated nonsense.
I think the save state was valid. You've proven that you have the ability to perform the trick, the only limiting factor was time. You could've done this without save states, it just would've taken more time/attempts. So cutting out some of the extra fat after already proving it was possible and within your ability is acceptable for the purposes of this challenge.
I can work with this reasoning. I know I could've done that bit without save states, I just wanted to save time for the people watching live. I'll have to keep this in mind for later projects - thanks for the comment!
the way you used savestates in this run was absolutely valid
Thank you, I'm glad to hear it! I think the elevator Goomba part actually hasn't been done by a human...ever, which is crazy to think about! Maybe I could've eventually pulled it off, but it definitely would've been multiple hundreds of hours just to get it to work one time.
Poles still the archnemesis of the Mario 64 jumpless challenge, even in the remake
Poland really had it in for the jumpless challenge runners. Makes me wonder what happened to cause this strange rivalry...Thanks for the comment!
I think it’s hilarious that Luigi doesn’t show up by default in the final outro before the “The End” screen.
It kinda is. It works that way because you don't actually have to unlock Luigi or Wario - I never did when I played this originally. Makes for a pretty lonely ending, only beaten out by cheating to beat the game with only Yoshi unlocked...and yes, Mario won't show up in the ending if he isn't unlocked, even though it's impossible to reach the ending without Mario unlocked unless you cheat if I remember correctly.
I just imagine Bowser maniacally laughend as he hangs Wario's painting. "Bwahahah, Mario has no chance of defeating me this time! I hung this painting ONE centimetre too high for him to reach! Nothing can stop me now!"
I love how the DS version is the first and only one I played and never knew there was a different version for years.
I guess we all have different experiences with the games we enjoy!
Love the pannenkoek reference, it wasn't suuuper subtle for those who knows but it wasn't so in your face that it was annoying, the perfect balance for a reference :) Great video all around!
That was what I was going for, so I'm glad you appreciated it! That, and I based parts of it off of an old edit I saw, including the "0.5 minutes long" line. I'll see if I can get more videos out a LITTLE faster than this one in the future!
A minute is a minute, you can't say it's only half
I think that for a challenge run like this the use of save states is perfectly fine. The video seems to be about "is it possible to do these things" instead of "can I do it all perfectly in one go" or something. You demonstrated that it was possible and (reasonably) don't wanna spend hours headbutting a brick wall to do something you already know is possible.
All around this video was incredibly impressive regardless, and entertaining. Definitely subscribing
Thanks for your input - in the end, it did help a lot to get the video out faster, and also to keep the people from getting too bored watching me kick a wall over and over again. Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video!
Legend says Luigi is still up there.
They say if you enter that haunted house, you can hear the Luigi crying for help...man, that's dark.
It’s interesting to see that the final bowser spawns mario caps, if you’re not playing Mario. Especially because you usually shouldn’t even be able to enter the level without him
He can spawn Mario caps when you fight him the other two times, so I guess they didn't see any reason to remove that for the final fight that you shouldn't be able to reach while playing as Yoshi anyway. Interesting little fact when you think about it.
Maybe it was a leftover from a beta where you can bring anyone to the final fight
@@Sonictails54321either that or the game uses that as a fail safe for cases like these where you somehow manage to get in without Mario
If you are walking on the rings of Venus and your unicycle breaks down, what number should your bowtie be? Answer: elevator because penguins hate Christmas!
The watch for Rolling rocks part had me LMAO nice one
I'm glad someone else appreciated that joke too, I spent a bit of time trying to get it accurate without sounding like mockery. Thanks for the comment!
@@NovemberJoy Masterfully crafted imo!
That was absolutely insane and way more in depth than I was expecting. So weird seeing the credits with Wario unlocked but not Luigi. One thing that killed me though was the chain chomp star - I'm pretty sure there's a breakable brick block somewhere after the 4th level (rematch with the king bomb guy) that has a giant mushroom in it. You can use that to instantly destroy the pope holding the chomp in place
Ok I misspelled pole but the idea of the pope with a chain chomp is funny so I'm not changing it
Glad you enjoyed it, this was a long time in the making! It was interesting to see Wario still showed up during the ending even if Luigi wasn't unlocked. I'll admit, though, I forgot about the mushroom that appears during the 4th star - otherwise, I might have tried that first!
I was also amused by the idea of the Pope holding a chain chomp. Is it just like a dog for him?
That’s one hell of a challenge big props for executing it!
Thank you, that's what I was going for with this video! Hopefully you enjoyed!
@@NovemberJoy i enjoyed it very much and you’re welcome!
I finally finished this video and since it's been a while, I just watched it from the start again. I love the pole redemdition arc right at the end after all they've put you through in this challenge. My favorite part is definitely the Goomba escort mission at the end even though that probably isn't your favorite ;). There were a lot of cool strategies and uses for the characters you had access to which was also fun to see!
I'm glad you finally got the chance to watch it yourself! I did enjoy the pole's redemption arc, although it wasn't much to make up for what happened in the past, and the Goomba escort was a pretty interesting part as well - it was not the most fun to play, but I hoped it would be good in video form! It helps that there's a whole community for this game and this specific challenge, but it still had plenty of difficulty in execution.
I'm hoping I can eventually find something else to top this. I'm not sure what it would be, but it'll come sooner or later. Good luck with your own challenges - I think you've already got some that will top this once you manage to complete them!
21:53
Oh yeah, you need the get the Bowser Sub Star or you can’t access Bowser in the Fire Sea
Yeah, that could be a barrier for challenge runs. Thankfully, it usually isn't. Thanks for the comment!
Loved the video! I watch a lot of videos where people do wacky challenges in older games, and this was by far one of my favorites. You explained your process and the tricks you did, and never over-dramatized the gameplay. It made it all feel so approachable, and made me feel more inspired to do some of the challenges I've been slowly working through! Easiest sub I've ever done, really looking forward to more stuff like this!
The Watch for rolling rocks bit was so genius lmao, great vid, subbed
I'm glad you enjoyed it, I was trying to strike a delicate balance between joke and reference. Thanks for the comment!
I was waiting for the watch for rolling rocks reference, lol
I'm glad someone appreciated this reference! I was trying to go for something humorous without sounding insulting or disrespectful, so I hope I accomplished that part too!
22:48 correct me if I’m wrong but I think the have. One of the platforms near the bottom actually raises itself extremely slowly, if you wait a good few hours you can cut a jump which I think skips that part.
It's true, you can do that on the Wii Virtual Console version, but they're currently seeking a way to do this on the Japanese N64 version since it saves A presses overall in a 100% route. Thanks for pointing this out, though!
@@NovemberJoy huh ok, how does it work on Wii virtual console and just that tho?
@@redshell9205 It's kind of interesting - the Wii VC is a very weird emulator, and one thing it gets wrong is floating point numbers. As a result, the perfect cycle actually rounds in such a way that the lava platforms rise extremely slowly. There are more detailed explanations out there, but hopefully that one was understandable!
@@NovemberJoy ye it kinda is. Not sure why you’d get something already in the game wrong but hey I understand.
I LOVE the way you approached this.
You showed us footage of all sorts of different ways you attempted to solve a problem and it was great seeing your thought process laid out.
I'm glad you liked the way I edited this video together, I did try to put together footage of the different methods I tried to accompany the voiceover! Hopefully I'll keep getting better as time goes on.
Great video! I'd definitely recommend applying a bit of compression and maybe an equalizer to your microphone if you don't already. It'd help some of the bassier tones in your voice shine through a bit more. It'd also be pretty cool to have a star counter on screen since there's a lot of negative space on the sides and I often found myself wanting to check what you were at when glancing back over at the video (I watch a lot of stuff in the background so little HUD stuff like that can be really helpful). Awesome job! Will definitely check out more of your stuff.
...Actually, I was applying compression and EQ to my audio in post! Maybe I could've done a better job of it, though. I was mostly just boosting low and high end - equivalent to combining Audacity's "Bass Boost" and "Treble Boost" presets together, along with the default compressor settings. I'm not an audio whiz, so I just messed with it and re-recorded until I had something that sounded good to me - if there's something you'd be willing to teach me, I'd be all ears!
Now that you mention it, I could've put a star counter on-screen as well. It would've taken a bit longer to edit together, but it would've been possible. I'll keep that in mind for later videos. Thanks for the super-detailed comment, glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
I was contemplating about whether to try this on console,
but the Yoshi Goomba juggling at the end looks like a nightmare.
The last challenge playthrough I did was Super Mario Sunshine without the hover nozzle, which is much easier to do compared to this challenge.
It does seem a lot easier from the few videos I've seen of the hoverless challenge, though it's still got its tricky parts. It'd still be fun to do on console, just maybe not the Goomba escort near the end! Thanks for the comment!
@@NovemberJoy Thanks for the reply, and the entertaining video.
I actually couldn't resist trying the challenge on 3DS, with a hack to enable the circle Pad.
Bowser1 was already pretty difficult.
I hate those seesaws, only when their angle is *just right* are you able to ledge grab ;D
Its quite fitting that yoshi was the solution to getting past that ledge towards the end there.
I thought so too. Doesn't mean it was an easy solution, though. Thanks for the comment!
I think it's odd people don't count the roll out jump as a jump but the P balloon is?
sounds like a classic case of you can only do it because you guys are able to break the rule from day 1.
Well, for one thing, it helps to have a consistent ruleset - the main rule here is to not press the B button, and rising up with Balloon Mario uses the B button as well. If you don't ban it entirely, you have to keep a whole list of moves that are banned, and the rules feel more and more arbitrary for every specific thing you have to ban. On the other hand, if you ban the rollout flip, then the challenge is kind of a failure from the very start since you now have absolutely no way to gain any vertical height at all, and that's no fun. Hopefully this explains the thought process!
AWESOME video! I've never heard of you before, but I still watched the whole thing because your commentary was so good. Well done on completing the challenge!
Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed as much as you did!
29:46 yooo, i wasn't expecting a MahDryBread reference
Yeah, I'm a fan of his. As mentioned, I wrote the script while he was still on break with severe health issues, so I'm glad he's back to semi-normal now!
Awesome stuff dude! You deserve way more subs, I hope you can keep your momentum going because I think you’re gonna go places
Thanks, Cal! I hope I can keep it going too!
This was an awesome video dude! I watched it all from beginning to end, and I didn't expect to do that. It was a big journey, and I really liked that. I also liked the Pannenkoek references.
I did think though that using the heaven portal glitch to do the ending parts was too glitchy to do for an average player, though I don't mind normal, easier glitches. However, upon seeing that you had to pull of insane movements and needed to abuse save states for that goomba trick to even have a chance at finishing Bowser in the Sky, those previous feelings of "eh, it's a bit unrealistic to do normally" subsided, since even if you found a way to get 80 stars some other way, you would still need to do all of that unrealistic stuff with the goomba to even reach Bowser.
I was also a little surprised that you never got that one star from that Whomp battle. I guess it really was that difficult 😁
I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as you did! I was hoping to strike a good balance with the references of being recognizable without being irritating.
The heaven portal stuff is reasonable for an average player with sufficient patience, assuming they know the setups, but the movements used for Bowser in the Sky don't seem so reasonable. There are people researching, though, and trying to find setups to get past the Goomba escort without any assistance. If they manage to pull it off, I'll be pretty impressed! I was telling the truth that I wasn't planning to try that Whomp battle again unless I was completely out of options, and thankfully I didn't run out of options.
Excellent video, definitely going through your catalog now and looking forward to seeing how you grow! Good job
Thank you! Hopefully you enjoyed what you saw from my catalog, and hopefully I'll be able to add to it soon!
People like you have way more patience than me lol. I really love the technical movement that needed to be used. That one red coin in TTM stood out to me for some reason.
No problems if playing games this way isn't your thing - I know it's definitely an acquired taste. I liked the technical movement as well, it did force me to approach problems in brand-new ways. Thanks for the comment!
I'm pretty hyped that they're porting dark moon to switch, obviously what they really need to do is port this to switch. Some people might find it weird since they still have an officially ported super Mario 64 in its OG state other than in the online n64 thing but I would love to see this game ported to switch I love this game while I was a kid I have really good memories with it.
I'm really hoping they port this at some point too. Literally all you'd need is a little reworking of the controls and it might just be the best version of the game.
Given how Nintendo has been acting recently about some of their decisions, I think if people make enough of an uproar about it they might listen. It seems like they're being a lot more receptive to fan feedback now.
Thank you for the awesome entertaining video :)
Biggest respect for doing this challenge, it must have taken a month to complete.
Oh, and just 1 thing! Awesome detail that the sidebars change depending on the level you are currently in. Nice detail!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! I don't remember how long it took, but I did spend a decent amount of time on it, a lot longer than a normal playthrough. Good to hear someone noticed the detail of the borders changing enough to comment on it, too, I did spend a decent amount of time making that work!
Save states on stuff that is possible, but would take you years to perfect, are valid in my book. It lets us see the final product of you beating the game without jumping while saving you hours of time save repeating steps in a hard trick.
I'm glad to hear this. I was worried at first that some might feel it's less legitimate with savestate usage. I'll keep this in mind for future challenges!
@@NovemberJoy As long as it's possible to be done in game that's all that matters to me.
Advice, for future reference, Yoshi can use his tongue (A) to get things far away, EVEN SILVER AND POWER STARS! You can also turn one enemy or wooden box into an egg and toss it into enemies for bonus coins. To do this, just crouch after eating an enemy or a wooden box.
He can, but it is a bit tricky to get it to aim where you want it to since it has a mind of its own. I did abuse eggs, though - that's how I managed to get the 100-coin star in Hazy Mazy Cavey, after all. Thanks for the suggestions!
I can’t believe you actually pulled that off. You madman. I am thoroughly impresssed.
I'm glad you enjoyed, it did take quite a while to pull off!
I always love how people who do these challenge runs ask if things like savestates and glitches are ok to use (especially when theyve already sunk tens if not hundreds of hours into the challenge). The way I see it, the object of the video is to prove if the run is POSSIBLE to do; probability is a much less important factor in my mind. Use savestates and frame perfect inputs all you want; I'm just here to see players bend games to their unreasonable demands.
Thanks for the perspective, this is a reasonable way to look at it! It's still more fun to see if I can pull it off without assistance sometimes, though.
18:47 I played Mario 64 DS SO many times but I never knew that you could get you cap back this way, lmao.
I found out about it as a kid while messing around. Good thing, since I ended up making use of it. Thanks for the comment!
as long as i don’t have to hear about parallel universes, i’m hooked
frick there’s somehow something else
Hopefully you enjoyed hearing about the afterlife and how it pertains to Super Mario 64 DS physics, and thanks for the comment!
Your dedication is amazing! Congrats man! 👏
Thank you, this did take a while not just to play but also to turn into a video! Hopefully I can get out future videos a little faster...
@NovemberJoy Take as much time as you need! I'll just be glad to see another video when that time arrives, but for now, don't push yourself too hard, and don't feel that you need to get videos out sooner because regarding the quality of this video I'd be glad to wait an entire year simply because of the immense amount of quality that goes into your videos!
In short, take it easy don't rush yourself, and have a good one!
@@Shyguy2434 ... That does mean a lot. I'm not going to keep you waiting a whole year unless a major disaster happens or something, but I'll make sure there's no drop in quality. Thank you.
@NovemberJoy I have to partially apologize for my last comment It was about 4 In the morning and Happened to have seen that you had replied. So I decided to reply right then and there for whatever reason. So if anything sounded off punctuation was wrong, or wording was wrong, I'm sorry for that.
Imo my judge for what's a legit run or not is: "does it stick with the rules set?" and "does it stay within the spirit of the challenge?"
If it sticks with the current rules set then it's all good there.
If it stays within the spirit of the challenge then I'd say that's all good there as well. I'm usually picky with certain challenge rules because of how often people bend them to fit a specific thing when they clearly didn't try to look for any alternatives, and I'd say using savestates to pull off a trick that you very clearly did research in and that trick still being within the spirit of the challenge is something I personally see no problem in doing.
I love when challenges like this pull off some really odd and crazy glitches kind of like how YMFAH does it, and as long as those are being used to achieve a goal then I'm happy with it. Also I loved that half A press joke in hazey mazey cavey (also I haven't heard anyone else call hazey maze cave that as well in a long time so it took me by surprise to hear lol)
I'm glad you liked the way I handled things. I mostly used it as a time-saving measure, since it would've been possible to do those things with a lot more practice and patience. Glad you enjoyed the glitch usage, too. I wasn't aware others called it Hazy Mazy Cavey, so now I'm curious if you're referring to someone in particular! Thanks for the comment.
Legit one of the best challenge videos I’ve seen. Really impressive!
Thank you! I was hoping it would turn out well.
Very late to this video but since super Mario 64 DS was the first game I ever 100% I just had to watch, and I’m really glad I did. This was an amazing challenge! Glad to say I subscribed ^.^
Thank you, good to hear you enjoyed it! Funnily enough, I've never actually 100%'ed the game myself...I really should do that, maybe WITH jumping this time.
21:00 HAHA LOVE THE PANNENCOEK REFERENCE I WAS DYING
I'd jump for joy at seeing another upload from you, but that'd violate the rules.
I'll allow it! I'm glad to see you here.
Oh hi Phantom A, didn't expect to see you outside of TTYD videos!
@@Larszard You can probably expect to see me under videos of other games in the future
Extremely well done video!, also love the parts where you talk like panenkoek, hope he is doing alright
I love some Mario 64 DS content
I think he's doing alright. I hope if, by some random chance, he does actually see this, he's okay with it and it doesn't seem insulting. Probably wouldn't have gotten the idea for this challenge without him, after all. Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video!
My take on the use of save states is that for runs that are functionally "can I do x" then using save states to avoid wasting time on tricks you completed but were time consuming is fine because that does not change the spirit of the challenge. You know you can do the trick, you did it before, the challenge becomes overcoming the next obstacle and not testing your patience doing the last one. It would be different if this were a race against yourself or another, because then time would be a core part of your run but at least where I am in the video there is no indication that you are even keeping track of your time so it is fine since it does not impact the end result which is if you can physically do the thing.
I see, this makes sense. I wasn't keeping track of the time, so it wouldn't have had an effect there. I'll try not to abuse them, but I'll keep in mind that they should be workable for harder challenges!
I love challenge videos like this. So when i saw this in my feed, i knew i gad to watch this. This is pre-watch commentary. Very excited. Post-watch! Totally incredible feat, i was sure it wouldn't be possible!
Thanks for the post-watch commentary! I'm glad you did end up enjoying it, I was hoping this would be an interesting one.
@@NovemberJoy it certainly was! I don't know how you had the patience to pull it off, I'm really impressed! I've gotta keep my eyes peeled for the next video!
@@NovemberJoy and thanks for taking the time to reply! I noticed I haven't already, so I did myself a favor and subscribed!
I enjoyed this video from beginning to end, it’s just so neat! :)
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, that's what I was hoping for!
Great work! Excited to see the next run, but take your time!
Alright, I'll take the time I need to make it good, but I promise it'll come out a lot faster than this one did!
Wow, this was quite the journey! Can't blame you in the slightest for using save states, either. As long as you can do each of the steps individually I think save states are fine because they simply save you from a lot of tedium.
I was hoping people would be okay with the save state usage in a few parts of this run. Thanks for the comment, hope you enjoyed!
Man SM64DS is such a classic, it's a shame it is just a repaint of SM64 with some new stuff cus I absolutely loved this game as a kid and wish more people talked about it.
14:20 "I made sure to give Bowser my complaints for not making this course handicap accessible" lmao.
48:26 "First we need to talk about the afterlife" is the new "First we need to talk about parallel universes." xD
1:00:44 I sometimes forget that Bowser canonically designs the courses in these games lol.
It is a classic, though the controls do sometimes hold it back a little. I wish it were possible to play the game with proper analog control and stuff - being able to experience the new content and everything with better controls and physics would be awesome!
Glad you enjoyed the jokes and stuff. A lot of time was poured into the script, so it's nice that it all worked out as expected!
@@NovemberJoytheres a 3ds circle pad patch and an analog mod on PC
That was a great video! Can’t wait to see more!
Glad you enjoyed it, I'll be working hard so it won't take too long!
11:45 a very specific upward shot with a cannon should allow you to just barely reach the ledge.
Oh hey, didn't expect to see you here! I did eventually manage the specific upward shot I needed later on in the challenge, by the way - it was an important part of scraping together 80 stars from the options I had left. Thanks for the comment!
@@NovemberJoy ohh, I’ll have to watch that later. I think I watched half of this at like 1am or something haha
The wait was entirely worth it, I really enjoyed all the challenges you faced, and i hope the Reptile Ruuumbleeeeeeee.......continues on! ❤
I'll make sure it continues on. I'm glad to hear you stuck around, and that you enjoyed the video! Let's hope the next one comes out a LITTLE sooner than this one did.
I love challenge videos like this. So when i saw this in my feed, i knew i gad to watch this. This is pre-watch commentary. Very excited.
Glad to see you're excited. I was excited too once I finally got this one finished!
@@NovemberJoy not sure how, but somehow this comment sent twice.
Bro i was watching like half the video, convinced you were some 700k-800k youtuber judging by the quality of the video before i saw the sub count - mad respect!
Thanks! I don't see myself ever reaching that level, but I'm flattered you thought that highly of the video!
Amazing video. I liked how through and experimental you were with every star you could obtain. I also like that you saved using glitches until you needed them. AND I liked the way you formatted the video. Instead of going course by course and saying what stars are possible, you showed us your personal journey and when you went to each course sometimes even taking breaks to try new courses. Was very fun to watch.
Amazing video man! You got a subscriber here! I’d say save states are fine as long as you disclose in the video start or end that you used them, just in case sometime in the future someone wants to try save-state-less.
Thanks! That's why I ended up disclosing that I used them when I did use savestates - I wanted to make it clear that I hadn't actually pulled those parts off without any assistance at all, especially the one that's never been done before by a human being!
This was a really fun video to watch, especially given the sources of inspiration you are taking from. Nice references, good explanations on the strats you pulled, and even more impressive pulling them off! This is definitely something I would like to try for myself one day, or at least some tricks like the heaven portal lol
This might be dumb to ask, but I assume a heaven portal for luigi doesn't exist because there is always a floor beneath Mario in that particular case? Even if you could do it from the basement, since it's a different loading zone (as far as I'm aware), would it still trigger it? And even with that, from the layout I remember, could the last part be traversed to get to Boo?
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Trying some of these tricks might be fun, and I hopefully did a good enough job explaining them to help you pull them off as well.
It's not a dumb question - it's a logical line of reasoning to follow. At the time I made the video, nobody had discovered a spot to utilize a Heaven Portal in Big Boo's Haunt, but afterwards Adeal managed to find and exploit one! It's not something I could see a human reasonably pull off, though. First, you have to get out of bounds, then walk on the incredibly thin outer seam of a room - so thin that you have to use the Touch Screen control to stay on. Then once you exploit it, the outside of the mansion is unloaded, so you have to feel your way around the invisible roof of the mansion, setting things up so you don't immediately slide off, and blindly find your way to the balcony door. In other words, this might be even more unlikely than setting up and pulling off the double book bounce to get up to the third floor. Hopefully this answers things?
@@NovemberJoy it does, thanks for the comment. Now that you brought up Adeal doing it and the touch screen, I just remembered of the TAS clip of that which he made lol
I thought you could only theoretically clip out in the basement as I mentioned and with loading zones and all, that the roof would still be inaccessible. But glad to see it was solved (at least TAS wise).
Best of luck on your future projects!
I really loved this video! I didn't even realise it was 1 hour long, it just felt like 20 minutes by how well made it was
I have this idea of maybe me adding captions to other languages like Spanish (TH-cam used to have community subtitles) but i'm not sure how adding captions is made at all-
I'm glad you enjoyed the video that much! I'm thrilled that you'd even consider something like that, though I'd have to brush up on how TH-cam handles captions as well since I've never touched them before. Thanks for the comment - if this is something you're still interested in, maybe we can get in touch some other way?
The Pannenkoek reference was hilarious, very good video!
I'd say save states are legit. You got there once and if you fail you'll get there again and that's pretty much guaranteed so you can easily skip the tries by resetting.
I can work with that logic. Thanks for the comment!
The best challenge run I ever seen in all my life. Thanks for this amazing video =D
That's pretty high praise considering the kinds of challenges that are already out there! Thank you very much!
"Can you beat Mario 64 without jumping?"
Me: Absolutely not.. but I'd love to see you try to weasel your way into it. Maybe it's possible.
Highly entertaining idea for a video. Well done, Sir.
Glad you enjoyed the video, I thought it'd be an interesting one!
Save States to reset you to the position you need to be in to begin your techs is perfectly fine in my eyes.
Arguably in that final stage, save stating at each individual point you need to get the Goomba transferred to a new platform is "cheating".
But when executing that steategy in one unbroken run requires a blue moon on a Friday the 13th at 11:59 pm during a lunar eclipse whilst the stars are aligned as Cthulu is being summoned for the seventh time within a...(you get the idea)...yeah, it's perfectly valid as far as I'm concerned.
Seriously though, save states or not, getting that last strat to work is SUPER impressive 👏
So you know, you can also use glitchy slide kicks to clip through the mirror room instead of the heaven portal. Theres actually unused dialog for getting there as Yoshi (normally you cant)
I wouldnt worry about using a save state. Personally, I've tried using heaven portals to hit much larger targets, and it still took ages
Can you clip into the mirror room with slide kicks alone? I haven't tried, but every video I've seen uses a long jump instead. I was aware of the Yoshi dialogue - when I streamed this, I made sure to show it off live on stream. As for the save state...I'm glad to hear you were alright with it. Thanks for the comment!
What a last level! Great stuff.
It was a fitting end to a difficult challenge like this one. Thanks for the comment!
It's crazy how there's still tech I didn't know about in this game. I played it so much as a kid lol. This was amazingly impressive!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's often surprising how much tech there is in many games. I'm personally still surprised Melee has more things left to learn, considering that game has been played competitively for over 20 years now!
@@NovemberJoy Oh totally! I'm glad TH-cam recommended this video. Keep up the good work.
Nice!
That final Bowser level looks like hell lmao
By the way, have you played A Hat In Time? I highly recommend you check it out, it's a great platformer that also has lots of potential for cool challenges like this
It was kinda hellish, but it did make for an interesting challenge trying to actually pull that off. I have not personally played A Hat In Time, though I probably should! I'd do a challenge of that later, but I think the best ones have already been taken, sadly. Thanks for the comment, glad to see you stick around!
really good video on the whole, also save state usage is completely okay by me (and probably most of your audience at a guess)
however you know when someone's gotten something even slightly wrong, you know that urge you get to point it out? I got that at 58:47 when you called OtR "Wing Mario Over the Rainbow" sorry I can't help it sometimes
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I guess I got it mixed up - in the Nintendo 64 version it's called "Wing Mario Over the Rainbow", but it's called "Over the Rainbow" in the DS version. I'm not sure why, since Mario's the only one who can fly through the course anyway, but that's how it is.
It's absolutely nuts that it's possible to beat SM64DS in 0 B presses.
And it actually looks rta viable, while being incredibly brutal at the end.
That was what attracted me to this run - it looked RTA-viable, yet still pretty brutal, and interesting as well. Thanks for the comment!
That Watch For Rolling Rocks challenge reference was great lol
I was trying to find the perfect balance between reference and my own thing, and I'm glad to hear it worked out.
This is a very impressive feat. Good commentary too
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. It took a while to write and voice all of it.
This video is very underrated
Goodjob on completing the challenge!
Thank you! Honestly, considering I didn't upload anything for this long, it's doing much better than I should've expected. I've gotta get on a grind, though. It was very difficult, but it was also a fun journey!
This was cool. As another challenge idea maybe you could do Mario 64 DS without running. This would also cut you off from advanced moves like long jumps, slide kicks and dives.
Hmm...this is kind of an interesting idea, I'll have to see what I can do with it. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@NovemberJoy you’re welcome
I am really impressed, both by the video and by the fact you are still responding to comments.
Good to hear. I do enjoy going through comments every so often so I can respond to them, clear things up, and interact with the audience.
awesome video :) wanna see you get 100 starts! seems now you have more knowledge to get a few more stars
If people want to see it, I might be able to talk about the process of 150 stars - I might have some cool stuff to talk about, even if it requires TAS and a few jumps. Thanks for the suggestion, glad you enjoyed the video!
Mario’s super wall kicks is no more it is now “S U P E R”
It's a pretty bland name for a star, but there's only so much you can do with no Mario and no wall kicks.
Really like your commentary! Keep up the awesome work👍, I'm sure people have already recommended it to you by now, but you should play hollow knight, I think you'd enjoy it because clearly you like challenges and I'd surely enjoy watching it!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I have gotten recommendations to play Hollow Knight - one of these days I should give it a try. If I do it, it'll likely be a Twitch stream unless I can think of a good video idea revolving around it.
52:00 Ahahaha! I probably shouldn't laugh at something like this but it was just so funny.
It was tragic, yet funny at the same time!
The save state part is very valid, that trick made up for it for being ultra cool 😎
Good to hear it wasn't out of line, I was hoping it was cool enough to make up for it!
i love this kinda content!
thank you!
You're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed this video! A lot of work went into this one.
Save states are totally fair.
In the wise words of someone else:
“Grinding is cringe. Cheating is based.”
Well, that's certainly one viewpoint...and an interesting one, since I actually have a couple of challenges that require or required significant amounts of grinding. Thanks for your input!
You have one life. Spending it all for Wario is very noble, but if you can save state to avoid decreasing your life expectancy by 50 years, that sounds very valid 👍✨
Thanks for the feedback! I'm sure Wario would be very disappointed, but that's just life.
1:06:25 and its gotta be on a tuesday afternoon and the winds gotta be on your side lol. Great video man didnt even think this was possible but you managed to do it and save states are okay its not cheating cause your just gonna go back and retry again. you just saving time redoing all that and just getting there. where its not okay is if you play idk pokemon and doing no damage and you just save state before making a move and when you get hit go back just to fish for the miss rng. again great job man
I'm glad you enjoyed it, and that the save states made sense in the way I used them! I'll try to avoid manipulating RNG in that way unless there's absolutely no other way to make progress in a challenge or something like that.
"Where's that dam fourth mauntain coin?"😂
Sorry, Shadow, the crippled Yoshi already got it. I'll still thank you for the comment, though!
great video!! Can't wait for the Waluigi only run
I mean...if there ever is a way to do that, I might have to. Thanks for the comment!
@@NovemberJoy np lad,, good day
i love the borders you used to fill the blank space on the sides of the video! really great attention to detail
Thank you, I was hoping people would enjoy that addition! It took a little while to edit together.
Watch for rolling rocks was hilarious
I was hoping people would enjoy that bit, and that it wouldn't seem insulting. Good to hear!
Great video. You make some good points. Very entertaining
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This video was a blast to watch! Great job😊
Thanks for the kind words, Doctor!
Save states are fine in a non timed challenge run. As i've commented with other challenges, save states only really save time on setting up each try of a trick. So using it only for a super hard trick still keeps this challenge legit in my eye
I think using save states changes any challenge from 'can you' to 'could you'. Difference is huge skill gap between approaches. Sometimes resilience and patience is almost as important as any other skill and someone completing this challenge without save states would be undeniably more resourceful in comparison.
That is plausible. Given enough time, I probably could have pulled the Goomba escort off. Question is, how long would that have been, would it still be enjoyable, and would it have majorly improved the video? That's what I'm trying to weigh in my head. Of course, the fact that nobody had pulled it off without tool assistance before majorly affected my decision, and to this day nobody has pulled it off without assistance. I was thinking about this, though, and maybe the approach I took in a more recent challenge might please you. Thanks for your input, hopefully you enjoyed the video!