You're the only person so far, that managed to make me understand how this spec works. Watched a bunch of vids but nothing was sticking. Your's did it, thanks!
I really appreciate that! Teaching is my passion and it's so important to think about what you're saying from the receiving end, or else everything just goes over their head!
That is amazing to hear! I'm glad you found it and I really hope you enjoy your time on monk! If you ever have questions don't hesitate to hit me up on Discord!
@@LBNinja7 no questions yet but I'm hoping you make a guide for mistweaver in raid as well, I know its a different talent set but I'm not exactly sure how it works.
I’m in the same boat, but still deciding between Mistweaver and Resto Shaman. I want a healer that’s effective in raids as well as M+, and druid is just not there right now. I’d love to learn more about mistweaver in raids. Especially if Jadefire is not going to be used for raid builds. Thanks for the excellent video; it makes the healing rotation very clear without overwhelming me with the intricacies of the spec. That stuff comes with time playing, and is great to pick up after mastering the basics. I just subbed.
Completely new to mistweaver and your way of explaining made so much sense to someone who didn't even know skill names or what they did. I've watched a couple of other well known mistweavers but your video helped me understand this spec so well. If you're new like me, stick to this video. You wont regret it!
Just started playing after a decade and decided to roll a monk and thinking MW. This was the best video to help me figure it out. Have a thumbs up and a sub. See you in Azeroth my friend.
ty very much for this guide. I'm new to healing and really liked the idea of a misteweaver. You are very good at breaking it down to a level where even someone inexperienced will get it :D
Damn thanks for this! I started a Mistweaver last night, but I’m still just lvl 15 or so, and a lot of this hasn’t come “online” yet, and I was confused at all the guides pretty much leaving out the soothing mist->vivify healing that I’ve been doing. This guide really makes the playstyle make sense, I can’t wait to get all these abilities that allow me to heal by punching and kicking!
Guide is amazing, very clear ! Though, I feel (unless I'm mistaken ?) than you didn't talk about Thunder Focus Tea, very important spell for Mistweaver (Fistweaver). You should use it right before rising sun kick, to lower it's cooldown a lot (TFT > RSK > TP > RSK > BK (4 stacked)
Hello, this video is really good but I think you forgot to talk about our core main rotations with 5 targets or more wish is: Jadefire and spin, spin and spin again :D !
haven't played since bfa, holyyyy it feels so different to play.wowhead didn't have soothing mist in their build and i felt like i was going crazy playing without it. thanks for the guide
8:13 I love how you talk about this concept. I like to put my extra point into dbl TFT empowers. And especially with master of harmony giving me an extra charge. I am excited for both hero talents. And monk is gonna be so fun. Running into pulls with all the instant casts between ReM, stomp, TFT enveloping and RSK. just running in and throwing my whole kit.
12:22 is a great example of a good time to use life cocoon too. Since it’ll put both hots on them in one global and also the CD is so short. Usually it doesn’t last long on tanks. But it’s just enough time to get your feet planted and pump them with vivify spam. And if you know your dps isn’t gonna get owned it’s a really good use of the CD. You’re nearly guaranteed to get the full healing out of it.
Great video for a newbie healer! I just have one question what I can’t get the grill of while the tank pulls the mobs together I don’t want to stomp as they will pull the mobs out of it anyway but how should I heal them in this phase without the stomp? Thank you for any answers:)
Hey hey, you build differs from recommended fistweave build on wowhead, mostly because you are using soothing mist and others are not, any justification for this for M+?
You can get away without soothing mist by just casting vivifies around when needed, but in my opinion it's a tool that does have a use-case and is practically free to take on the talent tree. As dungeons get harder and key levels get higher, if you realize you haven't even been needing it then it's 100% okay to hop off of it.
@@LBNinja7 thanks, i guess MW monk struggles when there is no enemy to fight close to you and you are not on your jadefire path, so if tank is further away you dont have a lot of tools to top him off, so soothing mist might help as a ranged heal, makes sense :)
I took the info into dungeons for leveling…the tank was pulling all the mobs in between bosses and the spec worked like a charm! Trial by fire by only a couple of deaths over the course of lvls 76 to 80!
@@BabstheBadger More global efficient. If you dont get a reset you need to do another TP -> BO. If you stack to 2 you get 1 less BO. Bad advice on thse vids...
If you have your ancient teachings buff running, 1 tiger palm will give you 2 stacks of Teachings of the monastery, so technically, 2 tiger palms will give you the 4 stacks of Teachings of the monastery. If you are not then you do have to tiger palm 4 times, but there's no reason not to have your ancient teachings running, so you should mostly only do tiger palm, tiger palm, black out, and so on
Is there any build focusing mainly on soothing mist and Serpent statue that is viable in War Within? I came back after a long time and I loved MW monk with soothing mist healing therefore I would like to continue playing it, however, I dont know of any specific build for it or just dont want to get gatekept by playing it if its bad in any way at this point. Any idea for M+ build with soothing mist? For example, would something like this be viable in M+ ? : C4QAUXY49giSj4C5Wpk6qnLyQAAAAAAAAAGzilxyAYmZmZzwsMbjHwDsNLLLzMLLgGzMzCzwMMDzyMmhZDGsMTAAAAAQAWsMLLzyMzEEAwG Great video by the way! I love you show everything to understand the builds super easy!
They really do try and take the spec in a direction where these builds just don't perform as well by not giving them any damage options and things like that. Also these kinds of builds don't really gain any benefits in m+ environments like fistweaving does like scaling off of the number of targets you're hitting. However, you could always take whatever build you like into keys and push them to their own limits and have a great time! But in terms of viability of pushing content as high as the other build, I would say no since it likely falls off pretty hard in high keys due to it not scaling as well into an m+ environment, if that makes sense lol!
You use it most often on rising sun kick to cycle two in quick succession, but you can also use it on envm in a pinch for spot healing or expel harm to self shield if you need to
is there a viable casted mistweaver spec for m+? I'm currently using your raid spec and loving the playstyle, wish it was a bit more effective in dungeons though!
trying to break into M+ on my monk so far every time I try the group melts and disbands I don't know if I am doing something wrong or if the pugs are just being pugs
I wouldn’t say it’s bad, but in my+ we play around the healing from sheiluns more than we would the buffs from shaohaos. Having sheiluns charge half as fast just hurts a lot more than you’d think.
Been struggling on MW. This guide helped but I get teams where they just take so much damage at the same time it feels impossible to heal through. Then I get flamed. I spread my buffs and stay on top of combos but even with my burst heals to help recover the group it’s like instantly burning them back down. Idk if this is my fault or theirs? I’m new but I feel like I do a decent job in definitely not a pro 😂
The wowhead talent builds for mistweaver don't take soothing mist, and I'm absolutely dumbfounded. Edit: icyveins has 3 mistweaver builds, and their mythic+ build also doesn't take soothing mist. I would've thought it would be quite useful to throw out instant emergency heals.
@robingoodfellow8963 Good point. Since I'm not pushing any high level content or anything I take put a point from elsewhere and put it in soothing mist as I prefer having instant casts on call pretty much.
Secret infusion is still a very solid talent especially since you can get more tft's thanks to the hero talent tree, so you could easily swap that talent out if you don't find much value from resplendent!
I changed some talents, shortened my descriptions to make the video quicker to watch. I was putting too much stock into resplendent mists but that's the only real difference!
2 tiger palms leads to more explosive blackout kick healing and more healing overall. Especially thanks to awakened jadefire, it makes tiger palm a very efficient global
I am 617 ilvl and have 22% haste but i can only do like 120k dps in Mythic 8 while doing the rotation you describe. I dont understand how top mistweaver players have ~500k dps...
There is a clear difference in DPS between monks playing master of harmony and other monks playing conduit. Conduit doesnt add much damage at all, so you'll see those players do anywhere from like 120-200k, whereas master of harmony since it's been buffed can allow you to do around 350-400k dps
Yeah….I’m also a little confused. Everyone was up in arms about month ago regarding tank “nerfs”. Tanks hardly got a nerf in reality. In fact they all seem to be functioning the same lol, pulling packs only they can survive is still happening. The typical offenders are still self healing for an insane amount. I think they should get another nerf personally. I realllllly dislike healing a tank who doesn’t respect my cooldowns. It’s just pull the whole room and hope I can keep up mentality that make it stressful for me to enjoy my play time as a healer main. I guess I have to leave tanks at half hp for a lot longer to slow them down, the moment you top their health bar they start going Leeroy Jenkins all over again.
For instance last night I saw one level 73 VDH rush down to the Voidstone Monstrosity trash in the new Rookery dungeon and he pulled the entire room. One by one the dps died until it was just myself and the tank. Eventually I died but he lived somehow. We ran back and he was still fighting the packs by himself. To be honest I’m fairly positive he was using a rotation bot. He was leading in dps the entire time and after I died, he self healed for over 10 million on that massive pull…either way…it doesn’t feel like they were nerfed at all!
You're the only person so far, that managed to make me understand how this spec works. Watched a bunch of vids but nothing was sticking. Your's did it, thanks!
I really appreciate that! Teaching is my passion and it's so important to think about what you're saying from the receiving end, or else everything just goes over their head!
I endorse this post 😂
@@LBNinja7 Made me love monk :) Thank you for the absolute amazing video !
@@thesoloenone8245 no thank YOU for such a kind comment!!
I can 100% agree with this comment, big thanks from me!
This guide was legit incredible. I just main swapped from druid to mistweaver this expac and I feel so much more prepared after seeing this.
That is amazing to hear! I'm glad you found it and I really hope you enjoy your time on monk! If you ever have questions don't hesitate to hit me up on Discord!
@@LBNinja7 no questions yet but I'm hoping you make a guide for mistweaver in raid as well, I know its a different talent set but I'm not exactly sure how it works.
I’m in the same boat, but still deciding between Mistweaver and Resto Shaman. I want a healer that’s effective in raids as well as M+, and druid is just not there right now. I’d love to learn more about mistweaver in raids. Especially if Jadefire is not going to be used for raid builds. Thanks for the excellent video; it makes the healing rotation very clear without overwhelming me with the intricacies of the spec. That stuff comes with time playing, and is great to pick up after mastering the basics. I just subbed.
Completely new to mistweaver and your way of explaining made so much sense to someone who didn't even know skill names or what they did. I've watched a couple of other well known mistweavers but your video helped me understand this spec so well. If you're new like me, stick to this video. You wont regret it!
Just started playing after a decade and decided to roll a monk and thinking MW. This was the best video to help me figure it out. Have a thumbs up and a sub. See you in Azeroth my friend.
The best explanation ive heard about the rotation and talents so far, shit by far THANK YOU. I shall subscribe.
Ah dude I really really appreciate that!! Glad you found it helpful!
Great video, I went from zero to healing heroics with ease thanks to this. Appreciate ya!
Monk is the only class I have not healed on… until now! Thank you SO much for your guide.
Any time!
Bro I LOVE YOU !!!! u r the fist person that did EPIC GUIDE for HEALING !!! keep up the good work !!
you are the first one that made me understand the Nitty Gritty of this class. mistweaver is now in my top 4 warband lineup. keep up the good work
So glad you found the guide and it was helpful!!
ty very much for this guide. I'm new to healing and really liked the idea of a misteweaver. You are very good at breaking it down to a level where even someone inexperienced will get it :D
Damn thanks for this! I started a Mistweaver last night, but I’m still just lvl 15 or so, and a lot of this hasn’t come “online” yet, and I was confused at all the guides pretty much leaving out the soothing mist->vivify healing that I’ve been doing. This guide really makes the playstyle make sense, I can’t wait to get all these abilities that allow me to heal by punching and kicking!
Amazing guide, have watched many guides but nothing sticked, yours did! Awsome💪
This was awesome for a beginner Monk player, thanks 👍🏻
You do such a great job of breaking down how all the talents interact with each other. Thanks for the video!
Guide is amazing, very clear !
Though, I feel (unless I'm mistaken ?) than you didn't talk about Thunder Focus Tea, very important spell for Mistweaver (Fistweaver). You should use it right before rising sun kick, to lower it's cooldown a lot (TFT > RSK > TP > RSK > BK (4 stacked)
Hello, this video is really good but I think you forgot to talk about our core main rotations with 5 targets or more wish is: Jadefire and spin, spin and spin again :D !
haven't played since bfa, holyyyy it feels so different to play.wowhead didn't have soothing mist in their build and i felt like i was going crazy playing without it. thanks for the guide
Very helpful video thank you!
8:13 I love how you talk about this concept. I like to put my extra point into dbl TFT empowers. And especially with master of harmony giving me an extra charge.
I am excited for both hero talents. And monk is gonna be so fun.
Running into pulls with all the instant casts between ReM, stomp, TFT enveloping and RSK. just running in and throwing my whole kit.
12:22 is a great example of a good time to use life cocoon too. Since it’ll put both hots on them in one global and also the CD is so short.
Usually it doesn’t last long on tanks. But it’s just enough time to get your feet planted and pump them with vivify spam. And if you know your dps isn’t gonna get owned it’s a really good use of the CD. You’re nearly guaranteed to get the full healing out of it.
Keep it up! This was an amazing guide. Thanks.
I appreciate it a ton!
Great video man, thanks for these
Whats the addon in the middle of the screen above the normal button bar? 8:58 you go through main spells referencing it. thx for the guide!
That's weakauras!
@@LBNinja7 Interesting... I have that but looks nothing like that for me. Is it a particular addon within WA?
Hey, you can play one speact of full casting, and some time push for stun or kick ? I rly don’t like Rhys mêlée spect…
being Item level 609 3 month ago is wild man. I've just reached that playing almost 2 month (even tho im doing lots of pvp and blacksmithing hehe)
@Sakharee haha if you think that's wild you should check out my all healers tocksh series!
Will you be updating this once we know more about 11.05? Do you expect a lot of changes?
Best guide on the TH-cam. Please do Windwalker.
How many tiger palms are you casting before blackout kick ? In this vid it looks like only one but in a previous video I’m sure you did two ?
It depends on the situation, but default is two!
hey man great video i do have 1 questions would you be able to share the weakaura you use?
They're in my discord, link in description!
oh sweet thanks!
@@LBNinja7 :( wack
Awesome guide! Thanks!
Great video. Feedback would be for sure to add chapters on the video timelines so it's easier to jump around. Thanks!
Great video for a newbie healer!
I just have one question what I can’t get the grill of while the tank pulls the mobs together I don’t want to stomp as they will pull the mobs out of it anyway but how should I heal them in this phase without the stomp?
Thank you for any answers:)
La mejor guia para MW de esta season.. Eres el mejor!!!!
Hey hey, you build differs from recommended fistweave build on wowhead, mostly because you are using soothing mist and others are not, any justification for this for M+?
You can get away without soothing mist by just casting vivifies around when needed, but in my opinion it's a tool that does have a use-case and is practically free to take on the talent tree. As dungeons get harder and key levels get higher, if you realize you haven't even been needing it then it's 100% okay to hop off of it.
@@LBNinja7 thanks, i guess MW monk struggles when there is no enemy to fight close to you and you are not on your jadefire path, so if tank is further away you dont have a lot of tools to top him off, so soothing mist might help as a ranged heal, makes sense :)
Thank you LBNinja7 - Found your video really useful. I was wondering if it would be possible for you to share your weak auras with us?
Excellent video!
Thank you so much!
I took the info into dungeons for leveling…the tank was pulling all the mobs in between bosses and the spec worked like a charm! Trial by fire by only a couple of deaths over the course of lvls 76 to 80!
I’ve heard that two Tiger Palm then a blackout kick is more effective. What is your logic for the rotation only using one?
@@KelstenGamingUK Right, but you can stack up to 4 tiger palms for a huge blackout kick. What is better about only stacking 2?
@@BabstheBadger More global efficient. If you dont get a reset you need to do another TP -> BO. If you stack to 2 you get 1 less BO. Bad advice on thse vids...
@@wowriks so you are saying that double Tiger Palm to Blackout Kick is the most effective and efficient rotation?
If you have your ancient teachings buff running, 1 tiger palm will give you 2 stacks of Teachings of the monastery, so technically, 2 tiger palms will give you the 4 stacks of Teachings of the monastery. If you are not then you do have to tiger palm 4 times, but there's no reason not to have your ancient teachings running, so you should mostly only do tiger palm, tiger palm, black out, and so on
@@kelptea Correct, I’m wondering if the rotation of two Tiger Palm (leading to 4 stacks) then a Blackout Kick is the more effective rotation.
Wow they truly have given Fistweavers so much love in TWW!
Would you be able to share your weak auras too?
Now i can play Mistweaver Monk , thank you
Best guide ever!
really like the video made me wanna try mistweaver again
Hey you didn’t like your weak aura for the ox proc and for the vivify timer in the description can you please ? thanks
Is there any build focusing mainly on soothing mist and Serpent statue that is viable in War Within? I came back after a long time and I loved MW monk with soothing mist healing therefore I would like to continue playing it, however, I dont know of any specific build for it or just dont want to get gatekept by playing it if its bad in any way at this point.
Any idea for M+ build with soothing mist?
For example, would something like this be viable in M+ ? :
C4QAUXY49giSj4C5Wpk6qnLyQAAAAAAAAAGzilxyAYmZmZzwsMbjHwDsNLLLzMLLgGzMzCzwMMDzyMmhZDGsMTAAAAAQAWsMLLzyMzEEAwG
Great video by the way! I love you show everything to understand the builds super easy!
They really do try and take the spec in a direction where these builds just don't perform as well by not giving them any damage options and things like that. Also these kinds of builds don't really gain any benefits in m+ environments like fistweaving does like scaling off of the number of targets you're hitting. However, you could always take whatever build you like into keys and push them to their own limits and have a great time! But in terms of viability of pushing content as high as the other build, I would say no since it likely falls off pretty hard in high keys due to it not scaling as well into an m+ environment, if that makes sense lol!
@@LBNinja7 Thank you so much for the reply! I guess its time to try MW monk with one of your fine builds! Appreciate it!
When do you think is most effective to pop the Thunder Focus Tea? Can't remember if you mentioned it.
You use it most often on rising sun kick to cycle two in quick succession, but you can also use it on envm in a pinch for spot healing or expel harm to self shield if you need to
@@LBNinja7 Thanks!
Great video. One request for future guides is timestamps.
Great video. Are weak auras the same as your video last year?
I have made a few changes but am still not fully sure how I want them to look, once I land on a setup I'll release them!
is there a viable casted mistweaver spec for m+? I'm currently using your raid spec and loving the playstyle, wish it was a bit more effective in dungeons though!
Bro you have your jadefire stomp on Ctrl+9?
@gordeybabich6714 haha no it's my 5 button. This was on beta and I just made macros for all of my spells and put random icons!
Can you please post your tww weakauras?
Great video !
Thank you so much!
do you have an addon / WA video??
great guide thanks for the hard work
amazing guide! Can you PLEASE export your WA even if its not ready yet? Its very good even as right now
Can you share the duration bar of chi-ji?
Any chance you can share your WA ? if thats teh correct addon. Looks easy to read and i could really use that :P
trying to break into M+ on my monk so far every time I try the group melts and disbands I don't know if I am doing something wrong or if the pugs are just being pugs
Is there a to copy your weakaura setup ? I see a link in wago but it's out of date.
Great guide!
Is it only worth it to play mw if you’re first weaving or can you do a standard ranged healing setup still?
raid yes, dungeon i guess no. constant packs provide u mana efficiency and easier group dmg while dodging.
how bad is Shaohao's Lesson's vs Veil of pride?
I wouldn’t say it’s bad, but in my+ we play around the healing from sheiluns more than we would the buffs from shaohaos. Having sheiluns charge half as fast just hurts a lot more than you’d think.
HYPE, algorithm is hyped too ! a few hours and we go again :D btw. is a new UI-video coming up for TWW ? (the algorithm would be VERY pleased...^^)
Haha I'm thinking about a new UI video! I've been messing around with Cell a lot!
i thought i was an oaf for using giant weak aura icons for procs xDDD good to know my mistweaver Sensei does the same!
Haha it's such a great way to develop muscle memory!
does ninja have a weakauras link for mistweaver ???
I do in my discord! I'm still working on updating it to a point that I feel is ready to post the updated version!
I’m very lazy. Is there a macro that I can press that auto spreads my hots to allies?
Been struggling on MW. This guide helped but I get teams where they just take so much damage at the same time it feels impossible to heal through. Then I get flamed. I spread my buffs and stay on top of combos but even with my burst heals to help recover the group it’s like instantly burning them back down. Idk if this is my fault or theirs? I’m new but I feel like I do a decent job in definitely not a pro 😂
need a guide like this for rogue assa :)
I played mw in S3 up to KSM and had a ball. I'm in normal dungeons in TWW and can't keep anyone alive with fist weaving. What have they done to us?
where can i get ur weakaura?
eddit: did u design it yourself?
yea np
stocked to join the MistweaverTrain once again with TWW
@10:22 "that" buff?
Ancient teachings!
Cool Video! i love ur weakauras aswell, do u mind sharing them? :d
nice video !
The wowhead talent builds for mistweaver don't take soothing mist, and I'm absolutely dumbfounded.
Edit: icyveins has 3 mistweaver builds, and their mythic+ build also doesn't take soothing mist.
I would've thought it would be quite useful to throw out instant emergency heals.
I believe that’s because instant cast emergency spot heals are taken care of by the talent Vivacious Vivification.
@robingoodfellow8963 Good point. Since I'm not pushing any high level content or anything I take put a point from elsewhere and put it in soothing mist as I prefer having instant casts on call pretty much.
Yeah it took a hot minute to get used to not having monster single target on demand. I still miss it.
4:30 That explains why Spin to win wasn't winning anymore.
1 point in Resplendant mists is still a warcrime. There are SOOO many other talents that provide far more HPS or DPS.
Secret infusion is still a very solid talent especially since you can get more tft's thanks to the hero talent tree, so you could easily swap that talent out if you don't find much value from resplendent!
Wait, this isn't the one you put out earlier. What's different? 👀
Nevermind!
I changed some talents, shortened my descriptions to make the video quicker to watch.
I was putting too much stock into resplendent mists but that's the only real difference!
@@LBNinja7 Does the rotation go back to tiger palm x2 > blackout, or still 1 palm 1 kick.
@@SailorYen89 would love a reply to this as well
2 tiger palms leads to more explosive blackout kick healing and more healing overall. Especially thanks to awakened jadefire, it makes tiger palm a very efficient global
I hate that blizzard made mw and holy pala melee healers. I play healer for a different play style but now I feel like a sucky dps that heals.
This just one build for mistweaver. There’s a cast build too.
Link your weakauras please!
They're in my discord!
I am 617 ilvl and have 22% haste but i can only do like 120k dps in Mythic 8 while doing the rotation you describe. I dont understand how top mistweaver players have ~500k dps...
There is a clear difference in DPS between monks playing master of harmony and other monks playing conduit. Conduit doesnt add much damage at all, so you'll see those players do anywhere from like 120-200k, whereas master of harmony since it's been buffed can allow you to do around 350-400k dps
bro link that WA. its clean
Soooooo here is what I do, press buttons .
Have a face? Have a keyboard? You're set.
Can i please have your weak aura Thankyou
"your tanks aren't going to be pulling as big" 😅 that did not age well at all
Just wait til m+ opens up haha! But so true for now!
Yeah….I’m also a little confused. Everyone was up in arms about month ago regarding tank “nerfs”.
Tanks hardly got a nerf in reality. In fact they all seem to be functioning the same lol, pulling packs only they can survive is still happening. The typical offenders are still self healing for an insane amount. I think they should get another nerf personally. I realllllly dislike healing a tank who doesn’t respect my cooldowns. It’s just pull the whole room and hope I can keep up mentality that make it stressful for me to enjoy my play time as a healer main. I guess I have to leave tanks at half hp for a lot longer to slow them down, the moment you top their health bar they start going Leeroy Jenkins all over again.
For instance last night I saw one level 73 VDH rush down to the Voidstone Monstrosity trash in the new Rookery dungeon and he pulled the entire room. One by one the dps died until it was just myself and the tank. Eventually I died but he lived somehow. We ran back and he was still fighting the packs by himself. To be honest I’m fairly positive he was using a rotation bot. He was leading in dps the entire time and after I died, he self healed for over 10 million on that massive pull…either way…it doesn’t feel like they were nerfed at all!
Hey I’m the first view! What do I win?
A big ole bear hug, with extra healing!
watch all video can you please make an raid video like this one? PLEASE
tanks wont be pulling that much lol
I'd go with Pool of Mists/Peer into Peace over Resplendent Mist myself. PoM is super good for M+.
Pom has definitely shocked me and I think the skill ceiling can get pretty high with it and yulon! Definitely a powerful talent!