Shimano DuraAce Di2 Upgrade Project: Unboxing // Updating // Di2 Diagnostics [SM-PCE1]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Since upgrading to Shimano Di2 on my main bike, I've always wanted the same crisp shifting on my older Giant TCR. This week I picked up a DURA-ACE 9070 Di2 groupset to complete this second upgrade. The 9070 is previous generation, but still fully compatible with current generation Di2. This video is the unboxing, testing, firmware updating, and finally the Di2 diagnostics process completed with the Shimano E-Tube software.
Groupset Details:
DURA-ACE 9070 Di2
- Front and Rear Derailleurs (FD-9070 braze on / RD-9070)
- Left & Right levers (ST-9070-L / ST-9070-R)
- Front & Rear brake callipers (BR-9000 x2)
- Seat post integrated battery (SM-BTR2)
- Junction box A (SM-EW90-A)
- Junction box B (SM-JC41)
- Cables x4 (FD/RD/J-A-B/Batt)
- Plus a Remote Satellite Climbing Shifter (SW-600)
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
2:26 Unboxing
9:58 Di2 Connection and Test
14:38 Battery Removal
16:17 Component Testing
19:24 E-Tube Connection and Firmware Updates
22:34 Di2 Diagnostics Process
26:43 Wrap Up
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Really appreciate the clarity. Very useful to see all the parts laid out clearly. Love your manual dexterity too.
Di2 FTW and wIll never go back. Also bought the satellite climbing shifter / wireless unit based on one of your videos and love it.
Great series! You've given me renewed confidence that I can do the conversion by my not so technically gifted self!
Great Video! Love the experience when you find a great deal on a new toy
Nice find! You'll love it!
It's not long, as we also love content like this!! 😀
After watching your videos, I upgraded to Ultergra Di2 in January. Best move I ever made. Love the shifting and the smoothness
That seemed really easy. I love this stuff!
brilliant mate, I think I've just sat through the Shimano Certification Course for Di2
Hey Shane, glad you enjoyed the groupo :)
Cheers! :) DM me your address. I'll get this post back in the post to you shortly.
That was super quick, I saw that on Facebook only a few days ago!
Think I can re-list it for a few $100 more now I've confirmed it works and updated it? ;)
Awesome and helps me prepare for the same project!
Never actually seen the guts of Di2 before. Very interesting. Will move over from mechanical on my next bike upgrade In a few years.
Your postie needs a bonus that was super quick delivery
Another great video which wasn't long as it was interesting.
Watching this series with eagerness as I want to put Di2 on my bike.
The real trick is to get someone else to put it on your bike. 👌🏼😀
Nothing like a Lama Di2 video too keep me company while working 😊
A small side note is that you can do a limited diagnostics process on the e-tube iOS iPad app as well (no on the iphone version though which makes no sense). It wouldn't have worked in this case with the old battery and no BT dongle but good to know before people start buying PC-links... (which still have its merits like you said, hard wiring to single components etc.)
Looking forward to more di2 nerdery!
Interesting tip on the iPad version of E-Tube! I'll have to check that out.
20 minutes later... I've checked it out. Awesome! The only issue is that it needs a working Di2 system and BLE to diagnose... a non-working Di2 system... or parts. I might spin a video up on this shortly. It's a great tip.
Shane Miller - GPLama excellent!
Yeah, it doesn’t render the pc link obsolete by any means, but can be useful for us home tinkerers :)
Not that I think many people need that function anyway, I’ve used it once since my first 10speed di2 in 2012, di2 just works!
I've just found your video on it from last year (I was making sure I didn't duplicate content 1:1). I'll point people your way when I cover the tablet E-Tubey on the TH-camy. I also got a disc alignment tool in the post today too! So neat!
Shane Miller - GPLama no worries about duplicating mate!
that video was not really about that function, more of a side note, I think people would appreciate a more in-depth walk trough of that process for sure, and you make the best ones! 👍
Shane, your videos can be a long as you want. I find these very helpful. I have never been one to want a Di2 system, but now I am looking everywhere for a good used one on ebay, FB and Craig's list. I am overwhelmed with all the models out there, so time to do some more research. Your follow up video on the install is also excellent.
Thanks Zane! These are a really enjoyable videos to make and share. Lots more to come with Di2 things. Tonight I've got the E-Tube Project Windows software working on my Mac with a virtual machine.... so I could firmware update even more Di2 upgrades (new battery and new levers already picked up for this build.... really really cheap too!). Good luck finding a bargain. They're out there.
Shane Miller - GPLama I have no idea where to really start. There seems to be some old models out there and then there are so many to choose from. I look at Shimano’s web site and I am left with even more questions. As you say “happy happy days”. That just means more fun learning.
Really interesting and useful video!
Front derailleur sound is so good!!!
Reeeeeeeeet. Reeet. Reeeeeeeeeeeet. 🥰
Nice job. Much appreciated.
Great one. Thank you Shane
I use Ultegra Di2 group set. I love it!!!
Great video Shane! You mentioned that you want to install the groupset on your old TCR. I am planning the same for my 8 year Scott Foil and I am not sure, if the frame can handle Di2 cables. (I had troubles, even replacing mechanical gear cables :) ) It would be great, if you could get into more details about the things to consider before upgrading an older (not Di2-specific) frame to Di2 in your installation video. Absolutely looking forward to it :)
The more I watch your Di2 videos the more I realise how much I need it in my life. The one barrier is cost. Unless I can pick up an upgrade kit cheap somehow not sure I can justify it.
The prices will come down. If Shimano release the next generation DuraAce this year (maybe?) then depending on the release list price, this stuff might fall. If it's crazy expensive then the older gear will hold value.
Shane Miller - GPLama That’s what I’m hoping for. I keep looking at the 2nd hand market but my bike is only a few months old & not sure I want to put a used groupset on a nearly new bike 🤔
Best unboxing ever.
I was nervous.. thankfully it wasn't a box of rocks. :)
Watching this video reminds me why I love mechanical groupsets.
Excellent! Keep an eye on the for sale adverts when I put mine up! :)
@@gplama Your videos are great. Excellent instructions for anyone wanting to upgrade to an electronic groupset. Just not for me.
Congrats, people who test electronic shifting wouldn't back to mechanical anymore, thats for sure
I’ve been doing the same for my gravel bike. I’ve picked up every wire except one, a b junction, and an ultegra rx mech. I’m still going to beat retail, since I don’t need to buy a charger, but finding 9170 levers at a good price has been impossible. I need 9200 to come out so old ones come on the market. They hydro seems harder to come by, maybe because it’s not an aftermarket upgrade for most people? The battery and junction a won’t be a problem when the time comes.
Awesome. Half the fun is the hunt for parts. Ping me a photo or two when your grav project is done!
Great to see my parcel make a stylish late to the party entrance 😂
📦 ✨👌🏼
I am sitting at my desk, both hands duct taped, so that I don’t splurge on a brand new Di2 I definitely don’t need.
New Shimano hood rubbers make the STIs look like new again. Great upgrade.👍 Suddenly you’re buying a new battery, wireless unit and bar end junction box but the synchro shift is worth it plus the BT / Ant + connectivity. 😁
Agreed. They’re coming this week.
Great sharing
I like plug and play. First foray into electric shifting was Di2. Still got it and works great... However, next I bought SRAM Red Etap [for a Ritchey Breakaway so less cables a plus] . The subsequent bike has... Etap. I like the shift quality of Di2, but the Etap is a no brainer - easy peasy. AXS? Hmm.... too many incompatiblities
I recommend making sure one uses a Shimano crankset. The chainrings are stiffer and won’t bend due to the strong forces from the front derailleur.
Second! And another great little vid from lamaman. 😁👍
I love tinkering with this stuff.
Shane Miller - GPLama we love watching you. There’s nothing wrong with fettling with your bike. I love it too! I can spend hours tinkering but doing absolutely nothing! 😁
I’m undecided on Di2 or Etap. I was very much leaning towards Etap but since the rumours have started about the alleged “miss shifting” on some Etap units, that none of the big “sponsored” TH-camrs seem to want to talk about. I’m now looking more seriously at Di2. It could just be an internet wind up or disgruntled buyers. But sadly it seems there’s just too many to ignore and spending such sums of money, I only want to buy once....and all my mates use Di2 so....
But I’m just not crazy about the Di2 buttons (a bit too close together) But I’ve been told you can set up Di2 exactly like Etap just using 2 buttons in full synchro mode??
Do you have any thoughts Shane?
The programming options allow eTap style shifting on Di2. For x1 is will be identical. For x2 you'll have to work with S2 mode changing the front chainrings at particular shift points. If you have the wireless module and a Garmin head unit, it'll beep to alert you the next change will also be on the front.
Long form video! Nice
Making up for lost time and a lack of uploads. My livestreams are sometimes 2hrs. I could have split this into two parts... but... I've marked the chapters so people can jump between sections.
@@gplama feels like two distinct categories....
Another great video of course but watching this made me wonder how many trees lost their lives just to box up a single Di2 groupset 😁
Isn't it great that we have SRAM, Campagnola & FSA competing to out-improve each other? Although there are so many wires, Di2 is pretty "bullet-proof" makes me appreciate bike mechanics! The bike I crashed in December had Campagnolo EPS, which uses a higher voltage because they wanted better shifting response & power, so whereas Shimano and SRAM can use USB connectors Campag couldn't...
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Shane are you going to also get the wireless module too so that the buttons on top of the shifters can scroll through your Garmin's screen fields?
Love your videos Shane. Reckon there’s much of a difference apart from weight between Dura Ace and Ultegra?
I’m more than happy with Ultegra 8000 series Di2. It’s the sweet spot for new bikes/prices. I’ll see how this performs when this is all installed.
Shane Miller - GPLama cheers - look forward to seeing that!
I just upgraded to 105 r7000 from 5700 and loving it so far. Electronic would be the dream though!
Fun fact: Di2 uses canbus to communicate, like in cars.
or aeroplanes, or buses, or elevators....
Long video but guess what . . . going over all of these components, testing and eventually installing is going to take some time. 👌
Hello..!! Great presentation is this system ( or the previus one) compatible with my road bike SCOTT ADDICT 10 2019 ( NON disc brake).?
With the right adapters/plugs/mounting components, I assume so.
The SM-BTR2 already supports synchro shift, but you do need the newer battery for the EW-WU101/111.
Really? From what I've read up it doesn't. I'll test this out. Cheers!
@@gplama Hmm, I'm pretty sure I had it working on my previous bike with the 6870 groupset (and older battery), but a lot of pages do indeed mention the newer battery is needed. The release notes for the SM-BTR2 include a fix for synchro shift though: e-tubeproject.shimano.com/firmware/template/?type=general-items&series=&model=SM-BTR2.
Ok, my memory must be failing me. Just tried it on another bike with a 6870 groupset, and the E-tube software won't even let me change the synchro shift settings with a SM-BTR2.
All good. Interesting that they listed "Synchronized" in that firmware update.
Shane where do you get your Shimano components/replacement parts from? A LBS or is there a distributor you use?
Pre-owned For Sale groups. Online. Local bike shops. Whoever has it cheap and where I can get it the fastest.
If memory serves me correct have you checked out the ‘ hidden buttons’ on the levers you can program those as well
Yep.
I might have missed something but, mechanical shifters and hydraulic disc brakes? Has your bike got a hydraulic converter? Ive been looking into it but hydraulic shifters cost 3x the price of mechanical!
9:10 Everyone loves the front d 😂
Shane, great video, what could I expect to pay for either a dura ace kit like you bought or 6870? Is there a difference in function?
Thank you
It really varies based on the condition. A similar set to this popped up a few days ago for AU$1390 with a scuffed up crankset, cassette, and chain. (Although used cassettes and chains are not worth anything, imo). Function wise it's best to check out the 'E-Tube Compatibility Chart' and cross reference the part numbers. 6870 looks in line with this (and current generation Di2).
@@gplama thank you. I really only need all the di2 gear. If it came with other gear and was good cond I could sell on of course.
Its almost like shimano made the 11spd shifters burn thru gear cables to push di2 lol
How much you get it for?
1500. Maybe a little too much given I need to switch up the battery and get new hood covers. But.. I have it now and that cost is offset by how well these vids do on TH-cam :)
i realize Im kind of randomly asking but does anybody know of a good site to watch new tv shows online ?
@Gerald Victor Flixportal xD
@Joseph Ezra Thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D Appreciate it !!
@Gerald Victor no problem :D
where did you get the SM-PCE1 so cheaaaaap!
Pre-owned bike parts group on FB. I had to get it at that price!
I don't think there's many wires at all. Try rebuilding an old valve ampifier now that's wiring.
Oh my god ... I switched from Ultegra mechanic to SRAM Red etap AXS and I am super happy with and at the same time amazed how complicated Di2 is ... why bother?
Overall cost. In addition to the cost of AXS, I'd need 4-5 AXS cassettes and a lot of XDR drivers. I can't justify the price. If I can get AXS equipment on any kind of 'deal' then I'll cover it.
You don't get latency with di2 it really is super fast. It's battery life is very good as it's standby might as well be off it uses such little lecky
I upgraded from orginal di2 10 speed to 11speed eTap and can’t be happier. Although shifting is a millisecond slower, the ergonomics, simpler shifting logic, easy to access battery and super simple installation are big pluses. I like simple...
Does the software allow you to reverse the function of the shifters so that the left shifter can control the rear cassette. I have limited use of my right arm so want to control the rear cassette from the left shifter
Yes.
Shane Miller - GPLama great. Thanks much.
@@bobowsinski1704 if you use the newest battery, you can run full synchronised shifting as well. Meaning you don't need to use your other hand to shift front chain ring, it will automatically change when when required as you shift rear cassette.
MrBJPitt wow big bonus. Thanks
Thought the add that popped a third of the way in was strange. It was from PELOTON. Maybe you guys have made up.
Like hell we have.... But I will happily take their advertising revenue here on TH-cam. It's not like it'll be going back to them any time soon. ;)
What about UCI Certificate/Approval and UCI Calibration? So i want to have some information about pro sport compatibility and about the new “Connectivity” port.
Wrong video.... but we’re years off this for indoor trainers.
Shane Miller - GPLama
You are right..I’m a little bit surpised about that..maybe I did something wrong.
But you’re right that I mentioned the “Kickr 5.0” video.
So maybe you can use it for some question to Wahoo, Elite, Taxc and so on.
Cable lengths please. I have a spare set laying about and need to buy some cables and don't know the lengths required. So what lengths do you get with this set.??
Required lengths depends on the final wiring solution chosen. I'm not quite at that stage with this yet.
i just got my first di2 bike - do i need to do a firmware update on PC? or can i do it through their app?
Either way. You’ll need the wireless module if it’s the older generation Di2 as shown here.
Speaking of FW upgrades causing troubles: DO NOT try v9.66 beta for Edge 1030 - most likely it will brick your device. That whats happened with my device. Garmin has confirmed the problem and removed this FW version from downloading. Now I’m waiting for GPS replacement. Regards!
Yeeeouch! In good news - it looks like the Garmin Forums are back online now.
@@gplama Good to hear! Well spent 10M USD 😀
What facebook groups should i check? Im looking to upgrade my bike to ultegra r8050
I have the same bike but can't justify spending more then the entire bike value on this groupset haha
You're not a real cyclist until you've spent way too much money on something you really don't need. ;)
Shane Miller - GPLama truest statement on the internet today
hey Lama, how much (more) does this system weights in comparisson to the Ultegra analog system?
No idea. I'm sure there are system weights posted somewhere online.
@@gplama you ´re right, I was just lazy enough to tape it here and not google it. ;)
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Shane, I have a similar setup with ST-R8050 shifters although I am not using SM-JC90-A since I am using EW-JC130 and EW-JC200 to connect the wires to junction box B, the issue I have is nothing works unless I connect each derailleur individual, Is this a Firmware issue? Thanks,
What Junction A are you using?
Shane, I am using E-Tube Di2 Junction Port - EW-JC200 to connect EW-JC130 to the wiring on the downtube to the Junction box B.
@@alpaca06gmail Neither of those are a Junction A. I've always assumed a Di2 system needs a Junction A (which is always the case for internal batteries for charging)
@@gplama I am using EW-RS910 and want to keep cables internally in the handlebar, what is my option to connect it to the Junction Box B?
Thanks Shane
@@gplama I assumed using JC200 will avoid using Junction Box A since I can't place it inside the handlebars, will EW-WU111 work as a junction box A?
How far away is the next gen di2
No idea. Sometime soon.... maybe. Who knows with the world being flipped upside down by the 'rone.
So all that PCE1 can do that the normal charger can't is that diagnostic. Which means getting one is pretty pointless. (I want one)
It can connect to a single component without it all being wired into the Di2 bus. It’s something a bike shop needs to have on hand.
How much was the groupset?
AU$1500
First!
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Im wanting to upgrade to Dura Ace Di2. Where would be a good place to pick up an older generation? Does shimano pull the older series out of circulation as soon as the new model comes out?
Pre-owned For Sale groups is a good place to start. Here in AU we have a few state and national groups that people post to. I'm not sure about what Shimano do with older models. One for someone who's in the industry to chip in on.
@@gplama thanks Shane - PS your effort on Craig road is diabolical. Chasing your KOM made me sick for about 30minutes
Which segment is that? Hit me with the link!
@@gplama strava.app.link/ABu0nBONI8
Oh yeah. I remember that place well. Stomping grounds training up for Tour of Bright 2012.
wait... it came with 4 cables? Isn't it supposed to be wireless?
Di2 wireless shifting? You’re living in the future. This is 9000 series.
Like Shane said, the only way for actual wireless shifting is with Sram at the moment
I hope never tbh i love wires
Great channel but way too much adds on it, feels like every minute I get an add. :\
Welcome to TH-cam. If you're a TH-cam Premium sub then there's no ads in any videos.
@Luciano Serafino Check out Ad Block. It's free and safe. I've found it so nice to get rid of the ad aggravation I donated to them.
What an absolute spaghetti mess of wires and boxes. Sram must laugh at this.
Shimano laughing all the way to the bank though
You're seeing the guts. If I pulled apart a human, it'll look the same. Once installed it simply just works. The Shimano vs SRAM battles require a broader view. SRAM has its fair share of documented issues. List price being the biggest one stopping me from having more SRAM content on the channel.
@@MrBJPitt Ofcourse when you need to buy 100 parts to make it work.
@@gplama Neither one is cheap IMHO. Mechanical once installed just works too.
In this video I'll show you how to make your wallet more aero...
Joke works much better on SRAM AXS videos.
Shimano embarrass sram when it comes to electric transmission
Imagine 'upgrading' your bike by spending ~$1.5k on 7 year old, used parts when 9200 series will be coming out soon, dropping 9100 prices through the floor 😂
Imagine? Dude. I live that shit purely so the Internet can take the piss out of me. Join me. It's more fun than doing just that.
@@gplama Only if you upgrade back to 11 speed mechanical once the fad of 10t cassettes wears off in 2 years time :P
Is it coming soon though? The 9070 derailleurs are still very sort after because many like the finish of the older group. I run the very same parts just upgraded disc shifters and will probably pass onto a cheaper frame as my next trainer spare.
@@glennoc8585 The only people that know that are shimano, however here's an article on it, and given their historical release schedule, it's long overdue: www.bikeradar.com/features/shimano-dura-ace-r9200/
Sooooo many cables. Eeewwwwww