Her sister worked for the CIA (as a psychologist); her father worked for the CIA; her husband had security clearance working for the defense industry; she learned Russian in 1957 during the Cold war and hung around with White Russians who had defected; her mother in law was best friends with Allen Dulles' mistress, a home on a private island she visited right before he picked up Marina to take her to Dallas to live with her in September 1963, and she visited her psychologist sister who worked for the CIA right before she picked up Marina to take her to Dallas to live with her in September 1963; she is the one who got him the job at the Book Depository only weeks before the assassination; she was the one who "found" those incriminating documents, i.e. a letter to Kostin, a high official in Russia involved in state assassinations; found the letter of Oswald about shooting Walker, both of which were given to FBI; and AFTER the assassination, ; and she is the one who gave the most incriminating testimony against Oswald before the Warren Commission - her testimony was longer than anyone else's. Without her, could Oswald have been found to be the lone assassin, you wonder?
@anastasia2657: Although there is little doubt some of Paine’s family members had intel-related (not CIA) associations, there is nothing to connect Ruth Hyde Paine to the CIA. None of the many assorted, sordid allegations directed at her warrant a conclusion of her being a CIA contact (the same for goes her family). But above all, there is no proof the CIA had anything to do with the assassination. Oswald got his TSBD job October 15, seven weeks before the motorcade route was ever planed and six weeks before it was published. A mother-in-law who's friends with Dulles' mistress? What a laugh riot. You need to re-think the incredibly stupid comment you left.
@@anastasia2657 Connections have been tirelessly sought out by conspiracy promoters for five decades now. Yet, nothing meaningful has ever been found. Do you and yours need another half-century or two to find something?
Both Paines were from trust fund families and lived in a 2 bedroom middle class home. Did you know in 1963 they owned 5 homes, and owned at least 3 cars. Michael drove a French Citroën which were rare in the USA then. They had the cover as middle class for their work as intelligence handlers. Groomed and created the set up. Michael s step-dad, Arthur Young designed for Bell helicopter. MP worked there. Once LBJ was potus Bell sold 7000 Huey and other helicopters. Lots of ties with the military industrial complex!
Ruth was CIA, as was her family. She conspicuously found her way into Nicaragua during the Sandinista affair years after the JFK assassination. She was about as far away from being an innocent Quaker as she could possibly be.
Right! This has got to be the longest serving CIA Officer ever lol Just happened to room with Lee Harvey Oswald, Just happened to be involved in Iran Contra, Tomorrow we will find out she is in Russia organizing Fair Play for Ukraine. She stinks to high hell.
@@FredPena-rd5cf Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching crackpot armchair detectives libel her as a conspirator in murder and treason with zero evidence for it.
The paines didn't know oswalds hardly at all they were part of the conditioning of oswald to help paint him in a negative light. plus they were a wealthy couple not someone who would have been interested in the oswalds being somewhat poor. it is also known the paines had CIA connections he was totally setup.
And yet somehow the Church Committee completely missed this. Imagine that. An investigation into any and all possible CIA involvement in the Kennedy assassination, and they somehow missed this young woman with so-called CIA connections that let the said killer of JFK stay in her home.
@@franclin0 her father and sister were in the CIA - her husband admitted having a spook camera and had CIA connections. The letter allegedly typed by Oswald was checked by the Secret Service after testing it and given back to her saying 'you wrote this didn't you?'
Miss Paine used word "unattached" of Oswald , who was calling from jail to Paine asking for HELP to get certain attourney. And she also answered she "tryed "to call "twice" to the number of attourney Oswald gave to her. Very interesting answeres she gives.. Oswald is in jail/accused of murdering President and Paine feels Oswald (during the phonecall) "unattached". Also, I wonder what kind of "try" she made when "contacting" the attourney by phone. At least calling "twice" is not quite many times when someone whome she knows ,Oswald ,is in DEEP TROUBLE. Imagine how many times you would try to call the number for instance in situation where your friends husband makes a call and is in situation like that. Of course its quite obvious she didnt like Oswald ,but common adult human with common moral sense would do more and better, I think. And also it would be suitable Miss PAine to give more information why/how contacting attourney failed ? Why not to contact some other attourney in thouse critical hours when acts are needed. Yes, the acts weren´t needed. It is obvious she was nervous when looking facial expressions.
12:15 Catch the momentary Evil Glance that Ruth Paine throws at Spence after his objection ruins her well practiced routine of throwing Oswald under the bus! My eye just caught it!!
@@natashaprather9233 LOL she’s dealing with a juvenile activist. Oswald is more flawed than the worst BLM criminal depicted as a victim, such as Jacob Blake. Using the picture is something akin to what Benjamin Crump does. Disgraceful, pathetic, and weak. She tolerated a loser while helping someone she liked, and Spence only has assumptions and allegations. The campaign against this woman, along with people like Clay Shaw, is remarkably vile. What actual evidence is against this woman, and how did she throw a murderous loser under the bus?
Yes. She was very prepared for that and hated she missed the opportunity. She also knew the law and procedures very well. She knew what that objection meant. This was way before court shows so people now have a way better understanding of court procedures but she should not. She also knew how to divert it to still her her point across. That woman is very good and her job.
At the 23-minute point in the video, Mrs. Paine testified as to receiving two phone calls from Oswald, the purpose of which he was asking for her help in obtaining legal representation. Mrs. Paine, by the sound of her testimony, had Lee Oswald already convicted and sounded insulted that he would ask for her help in that regard.
Vincent Bugliosi is clearly leading Ruth Paine with his questioning, she never once corrected or contradicted him. He has based his questioning on her original comments and testimony from 1964-1965 setting the stage and letting her fill you head with vivid detail.
She was an agent……anybody with a criminal justice background would immediately see right through her……she has every type of connection to first hand knowledge and direct contact with many people connected to the assassination…..her husband had covert connections…..her ability to be part of LHO life consistently and adding her knowledge of his feelings and thoughts…..she mistrusted him yet found him a job at the schoolbook depository……her travel and living arrangements in places of covert operations….LHO statement that he was a patsy…..is consistent with the way a patsy would be groomed and railroaded by people close to him in a position of trust….the attorneys look of fear and looking at the jury when asked if she was a cia operative….although she may have just been an agency asset….ruby also made the comment about the truth and how it would never be revealed…..
Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching crackpot armchair detectives happily accuse her of being part of some plot like they're just begging to be sued.
@@aaronz7056 …….have you researched ANY information about Ruth Payne…….about her husband……her career……5 minutes of ANY RESEARCH would help you to understand how governments work…….I would love to believe otherwise……try watching “Americas untold stories” it should at least give you some reference point…..
@@aaronz7056 You need to do your research because you sound ignorant. Ruth Paine and her former husband Michael were in fact more involved than you realize. Your comments show your complete lack of knowledge or obvious inability to do research.
@@emilinebelle7811 Open challenge to you. Call a press conference TOMORROW MORNING, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady you keep dumping on is a conspirator in murder and treason, and fearlessly bolster your own credibility by openly challenging her not to sue you for slander and libel, we'll be waiting.
it's important to note that Mrs Paines tax records from 1963 still remain classified. for what possible reason are her tax records still classified? she's a very interesting character and played a big part on making oswald look like a horrible person. hope to see some new evidence to be released this October of 2017
@@dustinkfc6633 what evidence?? You have a young man who was a marine. Given a Russian examination, was being recruited by the agency. Finds himself in russia as a double agent. And in 63 was an fbi informant. Their is so much that we dont know about oswald..
Ruth and Michael Paine were CIA assets. They were Oswald's primary handlers, along with George de Mohrenschildt. Oswald was also a CIA asset, and he thought he was serving as a double agent, which he was for a time. But when the assassination planners set multiple plans in motion at the same time, in Florida, in Chicago, and in Dallas, Oswald was designated as the patsy for the Dallas operation. The CIA had a 201 file long before the assassination which would not have existed if Oswald weren't a CIA asset. Oswald, in fact, met with David Atlee Philips, head of CIA's Western Hemisphere operations in September 1963, only two months before the assassination. This meeting was confirmed by witness Antonia Veciana, who also met with Phillips that day at the Southland Building in Dallas. Ruth Paine's job was to get Oswald placed at a job at the Texas School Book Depository, even though Oswald was offered considerably higher-paying jobs.
I admire your courage, happily libeling people as being accessories in murder and treason with zero evidence. What I wouldn't give to see Mrs. Paine sue you.
a better question would where did you learn russyan and WHY? at a time in amerika when everybody was still typically backwardly yank over the McCarthy 'Commies under our beds' bullshit, she's decides it would make her look MORE anti commie to LEARN RUSSYAN? LHO was taught russyan soon after basic training. he was part of the US/CIA program to try to get as many yanks in to USSR as poss. almost laughable that they thought the KGB would just let these ppl in and forget about them after a few years so they could trace USSR military installations etc. laughable. then they mke a hash up of a simple assassination of JFK by cocking up all sorts of evidence hoping that the US people won't notice the massive discrepencies in the testimonies and evidence and if LHO actually goes to court then the conspiracy will reveal a LOT about how he was 'groomed' for the role of patsy when, in fact, LHO actually, naively, believed he was infiltrating an assassination attempt on JFK. so they had him killed and the man who killed him given an experimental advanced form of cancer growth hormone to ensure he died in jail.
She's not in the least nervous - This is a rehearsed interview - this is a complete sham and the goof questioning her was a fraud - his Helter Skelter book was complete bullshit
Well to all the armchair detectives out there..that information would have been priceless for the defense, and you better bet that if there was any evidence of her involvement in the CIA, they would've gotten it. Instead, "Mrs. Paine, were you in the CIA?" "NO." OK, moving on.. It's just nonsense.
@@franclin0 Truth is you don't know what investigation was done on Paine Im sure they checked her 9 ways from Sunday unfortunately those rumors still exist to this day which is hurtful coming from oeoole trying to make a buck like Max Good Mark Walberg and other blood suckers IMO.
@@randyharris3175 we know that after the WC was done with her, the Rockefeller Panel and Church Committee heavily investigated the CIA for any clues as to the possibility of their involvement in the assassination. If none of those investigations could determine whether or not Ruth was associated with the CIA, than we don't live in a world where the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. The people who accuse her though, to be fair, don't think logistically and/or are just not aware of what investigations were done and what specifically they investigated.
She remembers curtain rods in her basement......Lights on in the garage.....and small talk on her front lawn going back to 1963.......Please give me a goddamn break.....Not once does she hesititae and say...."Hmm I'll try to remember"
Even though this is not a true trial, Bugliosi prepared for this exercise just as he would have for a real trial. Paine was his witness, and it is a maxim for trial lawyers to NEVER ask any witness, especially their own witness, a question they dont know how they will answer. Buliosi only lost one felony trial in his career, and never lost a murder trial. His preparation for trial was professional, thurough, and decisive. He prepared his witnesses such that his witness would be prepared for questions the opposing counsel would ask. So it is no suprise Paine had her facts at hand when she was asked.
+Fred B. ms. paine had already answered these questions 52 years ago, she was merely repeating what she had already testified to when the event had just happened. and remember this wasn't trying to remember what she had for lunch last tuesday, this was an event that anyone alive can remember where they were and what they were doing when they got the news jfk had been shot. not only that, but she was in the middle of it, being able to remember these things would be the normal thing, not being able to remember would be a problem.
Not meaning to be rude to you, but we tend to remember details related to trauma. Also she was questioned in detail, and about details such as curtain rods, on Nov 22, 1963 and for months afterwards. There is no mystery in her "Memory".
1. Read her testimony. She sounded like a psychoanalyst with a lot of training, or someone who was trained by intelligence to spot a vulnerable personality like LHO. 2. Why did her husband call her to deny LHO did it, and to tell her "We both know who did it." Why wasn't that witness observation of the phone call from Mr. Paine to Ruth not available as evidence in the trial?
CIA assets are trained at acting,showing fake emotion etc Ms Paine is a perfect example. Volunteers information when it's anti LHO (and pro CIA) isn't helpful to LHO
Arthur M. Young was the inventor of the first commercial helicopter, made by Bell Helicopter, the Bell 47. Michael Paine was Arthur M. Young's stepson. Michael Paine, through Arthur Young, became employed as a helicopter engineer at Bell Helicopter in 1958. Michael Paine was married to Ruth Paine. In National Security Action Memorandum 263, dated 10/11/1963, President Kennedy articulated his decision to withdraw all US military forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965. Ruth Paine said that her neighbor told her on 10/14/1963 about a job opening at the Texas School Book Depository, where her neighbor's brother, Wesley Frazier, worked. Lee Harvey Oswald begins work at Texas School Book Depository, 10/16/1963. Kennedy assassinated, 11/22/1963. Johnson reverses National Security Action Memorandum 263, reaffirming US military commitment to help defend S Vietnam, 11/25/1963. Over 7,000 Bell Helicopters purchased by US military and sent to Vietnam. Michael and Ruth Paine's tax records classified.
yep. It's all a co incidence .Robert Kennedy and his father, Joe Kennedy had plenty of skeletons in the closet to be manipulated in to agreeing with The Warren Commission , The major problem for them was their knowledge of the plots to kill Fidel Castro including Operation 40 and Operation Mongoose The CIA were working on poisons that would slowly kill Castro without any immediate traces. This was allegedly being carried out in two mini labs in New Orleans . Oswald according to Judith Vary Baker was part of that ring delivering the poison to New Mexico . All overseen The CIA and Dr Albert Ochsner ...
You forgot to mention that President Diem of South Vietnam had wanted to sign a peace treaty and unify the country as proposed under the accords many years prior, and that Diem was assassinated by a CIA backed coup just 3 weeks before JFK. How remarkably a coincidence.
@@NxDoyle Allen Dulles was head of the CIA when JFK was at odds with the agency. Dulles was appointed chair of the Warren Commission. Ruth Paine and her husband and parents had a long history of documented intelligence activities.
"In addition to the $170 he had left for Marina, at the time of his arrest Oswald had a $5 bill, eight $1 bills, a fifty-cent piece, three dimes, a nickel, and two pennies on his person. A total of $183.87-a big hit man for the mob or CIA. Right." Vincent Bugliosi
@@Bestillivoze oh please, like that commenter isn't trying to use convenience by pointing out someone may be pseudo-connected to someone who's connected to the assassination in some pseudo context. Hey if you look at my family history, I'm connected to LBJ. Does that mean I or any member of my family was part of (the plot)???
So interesting how so many pieces of incriminating evidence kept showing up in the Paine's garage even after it had been searched multiple times. Interesting too that she used the explanation of having Marina move in because she wanted to learn Russian however, she already knew the language. Her testimony is so typical of the situation where the witness can say or claim anything about the defendant without the possibly of the defendant being able to refute any of the claims. Basically throwing him under the bus without him being able to answer. The light being left on had to be Lee because Marina was good about turning the light off? So she could not have left it on? And she was shocked that he would ask something of her when he asked about her helping him get a lawyer?
She didn't ask Marina to move in so she could learn Russian. She attended the party earlier in the winter to meet Lee and Marina so she could speak Russian with them. She befriended Marina and after they were friends and when Paine learned that Lee was going to New Orleans without Marina to find work, she asked her to move into her home: Marina was pregnant and couldn't speak English. It was an act of kindness and concern for a young woman who needed help. Now, if you would bother to learn some basic facts about the real situation instead of spouting false claims and irrelevances, you might not come off as so stupid.
@@joewhitfield5561 I've done my research, which is demonstrated by my lengthy comment above. Now, if you have something to add to the conversation, by all means. If, as I suspect, you don't actually have any insight, leave the discussion to the grown-ups.
I've heard her say she moved her in to learn Russian but here she admits she already knew it. That's a pretty huge lie. I heard her say this way after this in an interview when she was much older.
I remember seeing this program when it first aired on Television. Having watched Ruth Paine at the time that this program aired, I had an uneasy feeling that she was hiding something and not telling the whole truth. Her overall demeanor on the witness stand left a lasting impression that Ruth Paine was hiding more than she was telling. There are far too many questions about her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald and how both Ruth Paine and her husband got Lee Harvey Oswald his job at the Dallas Schoolbook Depository. Far too many questions.
+SouthTexasPrepper Just shows you were and are a terrible judge of character............Of course the only reason you have questions is because in the 30 years since this originally aired you were to incompetent to look up the readily available answers. At the rate you function, if you start reading The Warren Report today you should have no problem finishing it by the year 3872.............*Hint: Spend Less Time Making Crackpot Comments on TH-cam and You Might Finish by 3870". Now Hunker in your Bunker *Prepper Boy* and start reading................LMFAO !!
+General Burkhalter I'm "a terrible judge of character?" Look who is talking! You do not even know me. Genius, you are not! Unless you have personal experienced it, being on the witness stand during a criminal trial is not the easiest place to be. Especially when you are under cross-examination. It is the loneliest place in the World. One has nowhere to hide. I consider myself a fairly good judge of character. Especially how a person carries themselves, what they say, the body language that they exhibit, from their facial expressions that they express, and the posture that they show in public or on the witness stand. Having a number of friends that are experts in the facial and body language field, they tend to agree with my assessment that Ruth Payne is hiding something. She is not telling the whole truth. It is not only me that has questions about her, but, many other people have far too many questions about her role in her involvement with the Oswalds. HINT: Before you judge others online, maybe it would be a good idea to get out of your basement and get to know people in person. It helps you not making yourself look foolish.
General Burkhalter Mind your mouth. Insulting people in trying to show you are intelligent never works. It show only how foolish you are. Ruth Payne was very defensive on the witness stand. It is all there on video. People that usually have nothing to hide are NEVER defensive. Even a blind man can see that. I have also learned that when people get argumentative, they usually have nothing to put forward for an argument and have to go for the personal insults. You have shown that all too well. Now, I am sure that you have a Nazi rally that you have to attend to, General.
DL Something is just not right about her testimony. I remember when this first came out on Showtime and I watched it in its entirety. It is obvious that she took (and is taking) offense at Gerry Spence's line of questioning and her attitude was telling the truth, but not the whole truth. She's obviously hiding some of her own possible involvement in the assassination. Having been in a jury myself, one can pick up subtle tell-tale signs that a person is not telling the truth or not the whole truth. Body language and attitude are a number of such indications. Ruth Paine is being overly defensive in her answers. Having watched this testimony, one can tell that she's hiding something and not being totally truthful. Especially some of the well-known "coincidences" (involving Ruth Paine and her involvement the Oswalds) that all seem to all fall into place and are all too convenient to be "coincidences." I'm not a believer in "coincidences." It is also interesting to note that after this show first aired on Showtime, Ruth Paine has NEVER missed an opportunity to try to salvage her already damaged and tarnished reputation that this ""trial" had caused her by going on speaking tours to explain herself. I have never accepted the fact Lee Harvey Oswald was guilty of the assassination. Especially in light of the testimony of the arriving Police Officer who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the second floor break room seconds after the assassination took place and the revelation that a fingerprint of a left little fingerprint of Malcolm E. Wallace (a known Lyndon B.Johnson associate) was found on a box in the sniper's nest of the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository after the assassination. It was a "34 point match." Slam Dunk Evidence.
Instead of choosing up sides to either attack or applaud Mrs. Paine, it seems better to focus on the adversarial dynamic of the two attorneys questioning her to get at the evidence and facts of the case. Her testimony is only one piece of the overall puzzle and there are also facts about her life and knowledge of the Oswalds that lie outside the scope of her testimony shown here; and there are others with knowledge of Mrs. Paine, the Oswalds, and their interactions who need to be heard too.
James Hosty was heard from he had knowkedge of Ruth Paine and her husband Michael. Really where a lot of this suspicion started was when a telephone operator overheard Michael Paine father saying you know who did this don't you to Michael Paine and there was the minox camera belonging to Michael they tried to say belinged to Oswald.
Anyone who knows anything about spooks can tell that she was highly involved in the assassination. Moving them into her house, getting him the job at the book depository.
She was a fluent Rissian speaker even taught Russian. She was also a CIA operative along with her husband. I believe she was complicit in JFKs murder or in setting up Oswald as the Patsy.
I watched this back when it was originally aired on HBO and I still believe Ruth Paine should be brought up in front of a Grand Jury because I have always believed her to be a intelligent agencies asset and knows a hell of lot more about the conspiracy that murdered JFK and she's still alive and needs to answer for her crimes.
His husband and Oswald like a twin. His husband's youth looked like Oswald very much. He worked in Bell Helicopters who was the great supporter of Vietnam War. And Michael Paine helped Oswald to employee in TBSD. I have wondered where was Michael Paine during the assassination.
Have you ever known people so very very wealthy actually have poor people move into their home and share a bathroom with them!? No. The wealth they had was trust fund money from the Forbes family and the Cabot families. I don’t have a belief about this other than to say she is not what she seems to be.
If you ever become involved in a trial as a witness, your attorney, if they are competent, will go over your proposed testimony so that you dont come off as unreliable. One slip up and the opposing attorney will rip you apart. Also, a trial is NOT an investigation. That part is handled by the police, and opposing counsels PRIOR to the trial. The trial rarely deals with new facts. The counsels emphasize items from the investigation that support their efforts to win over the jury, or the judge.
She was trained to lie and believe in the lie as an intelligence agent as its been declassified now that her sister and dad were in the agency in 1963 and she would RISK all this just to be a good "quaker woman" and help a POOR communist woman out? Please , all the stuff pinned on oswald to make him guilty and the famous photo, gun mail order receipt kept showing up each time Dallas PD kept showing up, but not on day 1. She was planted to separate the oswalds so she can get everything in order, and then gets him the job right on route of motorcade 5 weeks b4 it happens. DO a search on the sister Fred and father, and it puts it into perspective what really want down and HOW DEEP this was
Two man haters. She did not like revealing her dislike for LHO . She probably found out LHO had a mistress, Judith Baker, who is still alive .The Mafia must have been busy....
Her letters to Marina had the love word in them, several times. Poor Marina...she had a reputation for being loose, as a teenager...and she did make herself available to a couple of the Agents that protected her...They called her "hot pants"! Marina was ac tually very pretty!
I did want to comment. I believe Ruth Paine was a low level CIA agent and husband Micheal was involved with Bell helicopter both had ties to some key players. Ruth knew George De Morenshield (CIA) and DH Byrd owner of TSBD and connected to oil tycoons of Dallas and etc. Second Vince Palamara points out in Honest Anwers that Mr Paine looks ( similar) to Lee Harvey Oswald .What a perfect setup .3rd Ruth admission of not calling a lawyer for him. I truly believe they were both involved up to eyebrows in this. She laughed about being a CIA agent because , she knows she is and thinks it’s funny that people keep asking her probably every day. I’m glad Pence made her uncomfortable and shut her up a couple times . Best part of whole trial
@Tina Espinoza:It's a guilt-by-association fallacy: the charge of Paine's family being intel-related, but it's even worse. Since there's no credible evidence the CIA (nor any intelligence agency) was involved in JFKA, it's nothing but a logical fallacy sitting on top of an unwarranted presumption.
Beliefs are not evidence. Palamara is a smug, paranoid clown who reads conspiracy and treachery into absolutely everything and constantly pats himself on the back for his own brilliance, ignoring any argument or evidence that proves he is wrong.
I also look forward to you coming forward to the press with your ironclad evidence of Mrs. Paine being a "CIA agent" and an accessory to murder and treason, and openly challenging her to explain her perjury in court and explain why she should not sue you for libel. Correct?
It wasn’t a coincidence that Oswald crossed paths with Paine it made perfect sense. His wife was Russian, he lived and was interested in Russia so it just made sense they’d gravitate to the Russian speakers in a city like Dallas!
@@mariahyohannes Care to provide a little detail to that very inaccurate comment? (I could have been really snarky in response to what you said but I’m trying to be nice.)
It was her job to place Oswald in the tbd , and to support the idea that he was guilty. She knew Russian and took a woman she hardly knew and give her housing , and observe mundane details of their whereabouts . Very fishy , she of course was a cia operative , no question , what stake would she have in depicting Oswald as guilty , these small details of the garage light being on is to plant the idea that Oswald came back for his rifle - a rifle that was too long to be hidden in the bag that he was supposed to have had with him , she helped set Oswald upas a patsy
You have made several claims here about Mrs Paine's complicity, but you have provided no evidence to support the claims. If you make a claim without any evidence, your claims can be dismissed, without evidence.
@@curbozerboomer1773 Ruth was a handler for the Oswalds. There was a higher paying job at LOVE Field but her handlers wanted Lee at the TSBD. Byrd the owner was a good chum of LBJ and they were planning the assassination since April 1963 or earlier.
Does anybody else notice how unhinged she becomes about the typewriter round about 18:19 and how he supposedly was “lying” on her typewriter but how did she know they were lies? She didn’t even know who it was addressed to.
IF you were the homeowner where your wife lived that didn't speak English, would you not, call that place, when you were able to make a phone call. I don't get why this lady was so put off by this. Actually that was the most normal action that we have expressed about LHO in the whole event?
Shelly, LHO may have thought since she has helped Marina she may help me. Men can sometimes be oblivious to arrogance such as hers. LHO may not have realized how low her opinion was of him especially if she was masking it. She certainly is proud to display it at this trial and Spense works it out of her. Rusty, Lee and Marina were set up to serve. Ruth and Michael were eager to serve.
@ 19:19...I think Bugliosi is laughing to help relax RP, who has lost her composure, and also because of an involuntary reaction in appreciation of the brave and masterful performance of Mr. Spence.... big boss.
And she was pretty hot, back in 1963!...I have read her letters she would send to Marina, actually professing her love for her!...makes you wonder about why she cared so much for Marina....this aspect is not mentioned much.
Why was Bugliosi and Paine pulled up when she was asked about what Oswald thought, but Spence asked the same question five times and no one objects !!!
Ask her about her family's CIA involvement at the time of the Assassination. Ask her about any inappropriate relationship she might have had with Marina. It was so convenient that she was able to get Oswald a Job at the Book Depository a month before the parade. So convenient that she speaks Russian. Marina was the Niece of an Intelligence officer in the Soviet Union. Ask her about that. Ask her why she failed to notify the FBI or Secret Service about the rifle when she had it in her garage for 6 months, knowing full well that Oswald had defected to the USSR.
@@aaronz7056 Just answer why her Tax Returns are classified. If she is just a sweet Quaker school teacher who teaches Russian at the collegiate level, and all the boxes of intelligence information on operatives within the leftist organizations were found in her garage, and Oswald had thousands of dollars in photography equipment in her garage,(made pennies at the book depository) and his rifle, surely she has nothing to hide concerning where her income came from? And certainly, the CIA would have nothing to hide either, right?
@@aaronz7056 Don't you think it is odd that Oswald had his gun stored in Ruth Paine's Garage and yet knowing that he had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union she never felt compelled to tell the FBI concerning the gun BEFORE the Assassination since he worked in a building on the parade route?
agreed & she was intelligence there to babysit and then plant evidence after the fact, and now released docs state her ENTIER FAMILY in 63 were in intelligence so this is just a coincidence that she would bring a communist woman in her house with husband having secrurity clearance and her family working for those agencies. come on --search it and you[ll see official docs
She's a lot smarter than Oswald's defense lawyer, and her own lawyer too. Very smart woman. Psychology major. Her sister was a psychologist for the CIA.
Randy Harris Not at all. To be skint, hard - up, and just about perennially broke,..what could be more useful to adding to the construction of him as a desperate, detestable, miserable figure ?
Hey Albert you Sean to be a reasonable man so if Oswald was an agent and involved in this plot why would he gave threatened to blow up the FBI building 10 days before the assassanation if that note had been discovered that would have exposed him and his chance to shoot Kennedy would have been gone
@Jack D youre showing your ignorance about Oswald he did not have a pot to pee in he had separate apt yea sure a broom closet lol he had money to travel yes he did when he got out of the.marines thats when he did his traveling we know he was dead broke when he got back from Russia as a matter as fact he had to borrow money from Russia plus 200 dollars from his brother to get back to Texas he had no car got no phone calls it seems youre allergic to the facts pow thats another hit in the head with the facts im going to keep pounding you with my extensive research
@Jack D 12 dollars a big purchase for Oswald look.at the money he was saving living in a broom closet lol youre a nut got a round a lot for a broke guy yes when he had money out of the marines but the last 3 or 4 weekends what was he doing had his ass planted on Ruth Paynes couch watching football she was teaching him to drive she said he never got no calls big super agent Oswald lol you guys are nuts if you think he was a agent pow pow youre getting pounded with my extensive researcu why dont you just give up youre so phony
When confronted by her own words she still refused to answer the question. She was asked if he ACTED as if he was innocent, which she testified before . She wouldn't confirm because she couldn't allow that to be known. She is very good. Very good.
This trial is incomplete. It presents only "sheep dipped" witnesses parroting the "party line" in my opinion. Oswald was an enlisted marine in the deepest part of the cold war. Why would a "communist sympathiser" enlist in the marines, the most hard core branch of the U.S. military service? Wouldn't his patriotic platoon mates have seen to it that he had an "accident" ? Meanwhile we do know that the marines had a "defector program" that put volunteer marines in Russia for intelligence purposes. Are we to believe it is pure coincidence that he spoke fluent Russian? Why are there no witnesses in this trial describing Oswald's relationship with the military intelligence or CIA assets involved in such activies? Or witnesses like those Garrison prosecuted for conspiracy? Many suspicious omissions in this presentation.
Maybe because Garrison has been proven to be a kook who put on a joke of a trial. Maybe because there are NO credible witnesses that can tie Oswald to the CIA.
Operation Mockingbird tried to discredit Jim Garrison, who caught on to their lives. Real documents that are declassified now DO NOT LIE, do not cover up her ties to intelligence through her family and her "fake' husbands family. I mean, look it up, its not conspiracy junk.
Anything done by Mainstream media is going to point to oswald, even with ALL THE NEW EVIDENCE We have, Declassified Docs, oswald being an agent, Ruth Paines entire family being CIA not even counting her husband, mortician stating "They put ink on his dead hand to get the palm print" look at the movie Parkland done by Tom HANKS, the official lie is brought forth to new generations still. Fairy tales, magic bullets, lying about the neck wound, altering the presidents body, I mean, it goes on and on. They will just like 911, never put "Real info" on there.
He wanted to be in the marines because his brother was they made fun of him be abuse of his pro Castro views by the way he wanted to get out later was not honorably discharged
“People believe in a conspiracy because when death comes to the figure of a prince, as it did to Kennedy, struck down in his prime, it should come under a panoply of great tragedy with all the resulting high court intrigue-almost something out of Shakespeare-not from some poor little psychotic loser crouched with a mail-order rifle behind a stack of cardboard boxes in a warehouse” Clay Shaw
I have such sympathy for this so-obviously decent woman whose life was damaged by Oswald. For those interested in her and her relationship to both of the Oswalds the book, "Mrs Paine's Garage" is a must.
She said that they "the cops" pretty much walked straight to the garage? In the WRP that it was over and hour before a gun was menrioned? The report said Mrs Oswald said Niet to the gun but Ruth Paine said dah and directed the "the police"to it😊
@carolynscruggs2516 manufactured photo, a CIA touch up. It was done a Codak a susidury of the CIA in 1963. The same place that Doctored the Supruder film.😉
Ruth is descended from Thomas Paine, of founding father lore. Hilar that Ruth seemingly despises Oswald's 'pamphleteering' when she herself is descended from perhaps the greatest pamphleteer and author of COMMON SENSE, AGE OF REASON and others.
always been so impressed with this lady, the defense has a problem painting ruth paine as an "enemy" of oswald, (the lawyer actually conveys bullying her) because she was willing to help oswald (even after being accused of assassinating the president) and especially his wife and kids, she defended oswald as "innocent until proven guilty" in 1963 when doing so would have been very brave. granted some of her answers are conjecture, but as i pointed out paine was able to not like oswald and still be able to be impartial about his personality at the time.
My feeling on this situation is that Ruth Paine and the very vulnerable Marina were having an affair...Ruth has mentioned how upset she was when Marina decided to move away from her...they never communicated again.
She wasn't impartial and said so. She refused to call him a lawyer as he asked and she was supposedly a big advocate for issues like civil liberty. You really have no idea of what you are talking about. She is a very good liar but she is a liar. If you actually did some decent research you could not have this conclusion.
"I'm a school psychologist...formerly of MKUltra programme."
Her sister worked for the CIA (as a psychologist); her father worked for the CIA; her husband had security clearance working for the defense industry; she learned Russian in 1957 during the Cold war and hung around with White Russians who had defected; her mother in law was best friends with Allen Dulles' mistress, a home on a private island she visited right before he picked up Marina to take her to Dallas to live with her in September 1963, and she visited her psychologist sister who worked for the CIA right before she picked up Marina to take her to Dallas to live with her in September 1963; she is the one who got him the job at the Book Depository only weeks before the assassination; she was the one who "found" those incriminating documents, i.e. a letter to Kostin, a high official in Russia involved in state assassinations; found the letter of Oswald about shooting Walker, both of which were given to FBI; and AFTER the assassination, ; and she is the one who gave the most incriminating testimony against Oswald before the Warren Commission - her testimony was longer than anyone else's. Without her, could Oswald have been found to be the lone assassin, you wonder?
I believe every word of it. Can you help me out and steer me in the direction of your source(s) so when I get pushback from the non-believers.
@anastasia2657: Although there is little doubt some of Paine’s family members had intel-related (not CIA) associations, there is nothing to connect Ruth Hyde Paine to the CIA. None of the many assorted, sordid allegations directed at her warrant a conclusion of her being a CIA contact (the same for goes her family). But above all, there is no proof the CIA had anything to do with the assassination.
Oswald got his TSBD job October 15, seven weeks before the motorcade route was ever planed and six weeks before it was published. A mother-in-law who's friends with Dulles' mistress? What a laugh riot. You need to re-think the incredibly stupid comment you left.
@@apointofinterest8574 There certainly will not be any connection when you don't look for any
@@anastasia2657 Connections have been tirelessly sought out by conspiracy promoters for five decades now. Yet, nothing meaningful has ever been found. Do you and yours need another half-century or two to find something?
@anastasia
Very good analysis . Of course they all have been connected
Both Paines were from trust fund families and lived in a 2 bedroom middle class home. Did you know in 1963 they owned 5 homes, and owned at least 3 cars. Michael drove a French Citroën which were rare in the USA then. They had the cover as middle class for their work as intelligence handlers. Groomed and created the set up. Michael s step-dad, Arthur Young designed for Bell helicopter. MP worked there. Once LBJ was potus Bell sold 7000 Huey and other helicopters. Lots of ties with the military industrial complex!
Nonsense there were not cia handlers checked out to the inth degree in 1962 by James Hosty of the fbi.
@@randyharris3175 JAMES HOSTY????? ROFLMAO.
@@joinjen3854 Talk English.
@@randyharris3175 Rolling. On. The. Floor. Laughing. My. Arse. Off. The Dallas agents who told Marina that Ruth is c i a. Nobody leaves cia
@@joinjen3854 Nonsense you're nuts
Ruth was CIA, as was her family. She conspicuously found her way into Nicaragua during the Sandinista affair years after the JFK assassination. She was about as far away from being an innocent Quaker as she could possibly be.
Right! This has got to be the longest serving CIA Officer ever lol Just happened to room with Lee Harvey Oswald, Just happened to be involved in Iran Contra, Tomorrow we will find out she is in Russia organizing Fair Play for Ukraine. She stinks to high hell.
B.S.
A construct of sorts.
@@FredPena-rd5cf Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching crackpot armchair detectives libel her as a conspirator in murder and treason with zero evidence for it.
@@aaronz7056oh really? Then it's not true her sister was a psychologist for the CIA?
The paines didn't know oswalds hardly at all they were part of the conditioning of oswald to help paint him in a negative light. plus they were a wealthy couple not someone who would have been interested in the oswalds being somewhat poor. it is also known the paines had CIA connections he was totally setup.
And yet somehow the Church Committee completely missed this. Imagine that. An investigation into any and all possible CIA involvement in the Kennedy assassination, and they somehow missed this young woman with so-called CIA connections that let the said killer of JFK stay in her home.
@@franclin0 her father and sister were in the CIA - her husband admitted having a spook camera and had CIA connections. The letter allegedly typed by Oswald was checked by the Secret Service after testing it and given back to her saying 'you wrote this didn't you?'
Stupid. Ignorant.
@@acostin4004 The Paines were dirty but I don’t know why they would get involved with CIA?
Unless of course Ruth was just a saint with angel wings !😊
Miss Paine used word "unattached" of Oswald , who was calling from jail to Paine asking for HELP to get certain attourney. And she also answered she "tryed "to call "twice" to the number of attourney Oswald gave to her.
Very interesting answeres she gives.. Oswald is in jail/accused of murdering President and Paine feels Oswald (during the phonecall) "unattached". Also, I wonder what kind of "try" she made when "contacting" the attourney by phone.
At least calling "twice" is not quite many times when someone whome she knows ,Oswald ,is in DEEP TROUBLE. Imagine how many times you would try to call the number for instance in situation where your friends husband makes a call and is in situation like that. Of course its quite obvious she didnt like Oswald ,but common adult human with common moral sense would do more and better, I think. And also it would be suitable Miss PAine to give more information why/how contacting attourney failed ? Why not to contact some other attourney in thouse critical hours when acts are needed. Yes, the acts weren´t needed. It is obvious she was nervous when looking facial expressions.
12:15 Catch the momentary Evil Glance that Ruth Paine throws at Spence after his objection ruins her well practiced routine of throwing Oswald under the bus! My eye just caught it!!
You've solved it!
BOOOOOOOOOOM
Noooooo check out 13:50!
She was mad.
@@natashaprather9233 LOL she’s dealing with a juvenile activist. Oswald is more flawed than the worst BLM criminal depicted as a victim, such as Jacob Blake. Using the picture is something akin to what Benjamin Crump does. Disgraceful, pathetic, and weak.
She tolerated a loser while helping someone she liked, and Spence only has assumptions and allegations.
The campaign against this woman, along with people like Clay Shaw, is remarkably vile. What actual evidence is against this woman, and how did she throw a murderous loser under the bus?
Yes. She was very prepared for that and hated she missed the opportunity. She also knew the law and procedures very well. She knew what that objection meant. This was way before court shows so people now have a way better understanding of court procedures but she should not. She also knew how to divert it to still her her point across. That woman is very good and her job.
At the 23-minute point in the video, Mrs. Paine testified as to receiving two phone calls from Oswald, the purpose of which he was asking for her help in obtaining legal representation. Mrs. Paine, by the sound of her testimony, had Lee Oswald already convicted and sounded insulted that he would ask for her help in that regard.
Oswald certainly wasn’t a good judge of character. Mrs. Payne had him completely fooled.
Spence should have ask her if she ever met a guy named George de Mohrenschield
actually she did. Since she was inroduced to Marina through him.
You can also ask who contacted Paines to Oswalds.
Would have been a great question to ask
sure wish Mr Spence were MY lawyer today !!!
Vincent Bugliosi is clearly leading Ruth Paine with his questioning, she never once corrected or contradicted him. He has based his questioning on her original comments and testimony from 1964-1965 setting the stage and letting her fill you head with vivid detail.
Onmetube hes been asking leading questions thought thE whole trial!!
What's wrong with that if it's the truth?
Whats wrong with that his leading is factual?
It's a mock trial for tv... they want to move it along so it doesn't take forever.
@@paulcrowley5538 its correct though
she started cracking on some of the questions
yeah, cracking up at how ridiculous they were (Spence).
@@franclin0cracking because she couldn't keep her lies straight.
@@CraigOpperman-e5z which lies would those be?
@@CraigOpperman-e5z what lies would those be?
She was an agent……anybody with a criminal justice background would immediately see right through her……she has every type of connection to first hand knowledge and direct contact with many people connected to the assassination…..her husband had covert connections…..her ability to be part of LHO life consistently and adding her knowledge of his feelings and thoughts…..she mistrusted him yet found him a job at the schoolbook depository……her travel and living arrangements in places of covert operations….LHO statement that he was a patsy…..is consistent with the way a patsy would be groomed and railroaded by people close to him in a position of trust….the attorneys look of fear and looking at the jury when asked if she was a cia operative….although she may have just been an agency asset….ruby also made the comment about the truth and how it would never be revealed…..
Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching crackpot armchair detectives happily accuse her of being part of some plot like they're just begging to be sued.
@@aaronz7056 …….have you researched ANY information about Ruth Payne…….about her husband……her career……5 minutes of ANY RESEARCH would help you to understand how governments work…….I would love to believe otherwise……try watching “Americas untold stories” it should at least give you some reference point…..
@@aaronz7056 You need to do your research because you sound ignorant. Ruth Paine and her former husband Michael were in fact more involved than you realize. Your comments show your complete lack of knowledge or obvious inability to do research.
@@aaronz7056
Is that you Ruth? Promise us you’ll finally tell the truth before you go to hell, okay?
@@emilinebelle7811 Open challenge to you. Call a press conference TOMORROW MORNING, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady you keep dumping on is a conspirator in murder and treason, and fearlessly bolster your own credibility by openly challenging her not to sue you for slander and libel, we'll be waiting.
I love the way Pence simply ignores any answers which do nothing to help Oswald's defence, and ploughs merrily on.
Pence is severely handicapped with the fact that his client is dead -- murdered conveniently.
it's important to note that Mrs Paines tax records from 1963 still remain classified. for what possible reason are her tax records still classified? she's a very interesting character and played a big part on making oswald look like a horrible person. hope to see some new evidence to be released this October of 2017
97camiro
Well it’s March 2020 now. What new evidence of Ruth Payne’s complicity has come up?
Oswald was a horrible person look what he did!
@@Rohilla313 none. In fact the last remaining sensitive documents that were pushed back, have in fact never been released...
@@dustinkfc6633 what evidence?? You have a young man who was a marine. Given a Russian examination, was being recruited by the agency. Finds himself in russia as a double agent. And in 63 was an fbi informant. Their is so much that we dont know about oswald..
@@97camiro so Oswald was innocent!
Ruth and Michael Paine were CIA assets. They were Oswald's primary handlers, along with George de Mohrenschildt. Oswald was also a CIA asset, and he thought he was serving as a double agent, which he was for a time. But when the assassination planners set multiple plans in motion at the same time, in Florida, in Chicago, and in Dallas, Oswald was designated as the patsy for the Dallas operation. The CIA had a 201 file long before the assassination which would not have existed if Oswald weren't a CIA asset. Oswald, in fact, met with David Atlee Philips, head of CIA's Western Hemisphere operations in September 1963, only two months before the assassination. This meeting was confirmed by witness Antonia Veciana, who also met with Phillips that day at the Southland Building in Dallas. Ruth Paine's job was to get Oswald placed at a job at the Texas School Book Depository, even though Oswald was offered considerably higher-paying jobs.
If you had bothered to read the exhaustive account of LHOs life, you would realize how off-base you actually are!
@James Feldman: What an incredibly stupid comment, filled with nothing but conspiracy myths and legends, devoid of facts.
I admire your courage, happily libeling people as being accessories in murder and treason with zero evidence. What I wouldn't give to see Mrs. Paine sue you.
ER miss Paine..where did you learn Russian ?
a better question would where did you learn russyan
and WHY?
at a time in amerika when everybody was still typically backwardly yank over the McCarthy 'Commies under our beds' bullshit, she's decides it would make her look MORE anti commie to LEARN RUSSYAN?
LHO was taught russyan soon after basic training. he was part of the US/CIA program to try to get as many yanks in to USSR as poss.
almost laughable that they thought the KGB would just let these ppl in and forget about them after a few years so they could trace USSR military installations etc. laughable.
then they mke a hash up of a simple assassination of JFK by cocking up all sorts of evidence hoping that the US people won't notice the massive discrepencies in the testimonies and evidence and if LHO actually goes to court then the conspiracy will reveal a LOT about how he was 'groomed' for the role of patsy when, in fact, LHO actually, naively, believed he was infiltrating an assassination attempt on JFK.
so they had him killed and the man who killed him given an experimental advanced form of cancer growth hormone to ensure he died in jail.
@@narreddarr8092Not to mention Dorothy Kilgalons suspicious death who had spoken at length to Ruby and was about to make a "huge" report .
This lady is nervous and knows more than we heard from her......
She's CIA, as was her whole family
She's a handler
See America's Untold Stories channel for more info
She's not in the least nervous - This is a rehearsed interview - this is a complete sham and the goof questioning her was a fraud - his Helter Skelter book was complete bullshit
The look on Bugloshi face when Spence asks Payne youre not a cia agent are you? Is priceless
Well to all the armchair detectives out there..that information would have been priceless for the defense, and you better bet that if there was any evidence of her involvement in the CIA, they would've gotten it. Instead, "Mrs. Paine, were you in the CIA?" "NO." OK, moving on.. It's just nonsense.
@@franclin0 Truth is you don't know what investigation was done on Paine Im sure they checked her 9 ways from Sunday unfortunately those rumors still exist to this day which is hurtful coming from oeoole trying to make a buck like Max Good Mark Walberg and other blood suckers IMO.
@@randyharris3175 we know that after the WC was done with her, the Rockefeller Panel and Church Committee heavily investigated the CIA for any clues as to the possibility of their involvement in the assassination. If none of those investigations could determine whether or not Ruth was associated with the CIA, than we don't live in a world where the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. The people who accuse her though, to be fair, don't think logistically and/or are just not aware of what investigations were done and what specifically they investigated.
@@franclin0 Right zo think I misunderstood your comment sorry.
@@randyharris3175 oh no worries, Randy. I've seen tons of your comments, I know you understand reality. Cheers!
She remembers curtain rods in her basement......Lights on in the garage.....and small talk on her front lawn going back to 1963.......Please give me a goddamn break.....Not once does she hesititae and say...."Hmm I'll try to remember"
Even though this is not a true trial, Bugliosi prepared for this exercise just as he would have for a real trial. Paine was his witness, and it is a maxim for trial lawyers to NEVER ask any witness, especially their own witness, a question they dont know how they will answer. Buliosi only lost one felony trial in his career, and never lost a murder trial. His preparation for trial was professional, thurough, and decisive. He prepared his witnesses such that his witness would be prepared for questions the opposing counsel would ask. So it is no suprise Paine had her facts at hand when she was asked.
+Fred B. ms. paine had already answered these questions 52 years ago, she was merely repeating what she had already testified to when the event had just happened. and remember this wasn't trying to remember what she had for lunch last tuesday, this was an event that anyone alive can remember where they were and what they were doing when they got the news jfk had been shot. not only that, but she was in the middle of it, being able to remember these things would be the normal thing, not being able to remember would be a problem.
to work for the CIA you must have a great memory
Not meaning to be rude to you, but we tend to remember details related to trauma. Also she was questioned in detail, and about details such as curtain rods, on Nov 22, 1963 and for months afterwards. There is no mystery in her "Memory".
No. ...Of course not. ..
1. Read her testimony. She sounded like a psychoanalyst with a lot of training, or someone who was trained by intelligence to spot a vulnerable personality like LHO.
2. Why did her husband call her to deny LHO did it, and to tell her "We both know who did it." Why wasn't that witness observation of the phone call from Mr. Paine to Ruth not available as evidence in the trial?
Read Vincent Salandria
Crackpot rubbish.
Even though I thought this trial is a joke because a lot of key witnesses are dead it’s still good for historical purposes
As long as her taxes and those of her entire family are classified she is not a reliable witness.
CIA assets are trained at acting,showing fake emotion etc Ms Paine is a perfect example. Volunteers information when it's anti LHO (and pro CIA) isn't helpful to LHO
She does seem to be acting, her fake chuckle and pointless side stories. She stands out like a sour thumb in the men who killed Kennedy.
@@rustyshackelford9156 Your post seems to be "fake." At least it's "acting" that way.
Her creepiness just jumps out at you.
Only if you're a Creep and hate the truth.
@@rawbacon you’re not very bright are you?
@@Tch5802 Actually I'm willing to bet I'm a thousand times smarter than you but I guess that only gives me an IQ of about 40 though.
Actually she's rather cute... Great smile.
Arthur M. Young was the inventor of the first commercial helicopter, made by Bell Helicopter, the Bell 47.
Michael Paine was Arthur M. Young's stepson.
Michael Paine, through Arthur Young, became employed as a helicopter engineer at Bell Helicopter in 1958.
Michael Paine was married to Ruth Paine.
In National Security Action Memorandum 263, dated 10/11/1963, President Kennedy articulated his decision to withdraw all US military forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965.
Ruth Paine said that her neighbor told her on 10/14/1963 about a job opening at the Texas School Book Depository, where her neighbor's brother, Wesley Frazier, worked.
Lee Harvey Oswald begins work at Texas School Book Depository, 10/16/1963.
Kennedy assassinated, 11/22/1963.
Johnson reverses National Security Action Memorandum 263, reaffirming US military commitment to help defend S Vietnam, 11/25/1963.
Over 7,000 Bell Helicopters purchased by US military and sent to Vietnam.
Michael and Ruth Paine's tax records classified.
Big deal.
yep. It's all a co incidence .Robert Kennedy and his father, Joe Kennedy had plenty of skeletons in the closet to be manipulated in to agreeing with The Warren Commission , The major problem for them was their knowledge of the plots to kill Fidel Castro including Operation 40 and Operation Mongoose
The CIA were working on poisons that would slowly kill Castro without any immediate traces. This was allegedly being carried out in two mini labs in New Orleans . Oswald according to Judith Vary Baker was part of that ring delivering
the poison to New Mexico . All overseen The CIA and Dr Albert Ochsner ...
You forgot to mention that President Diem of South Vietnam had wanted to sign a peace treaty and unify the country as proposed under the accords many years prior, and that Diem was assassinated by a CIA backed coup just 3 weeks before JFK. How remarkably a coincidence.
She is a credible witness and good for the prosecution, although Spence did a hell of a job in cross examination.
Gerry Spence absolutely crushes.
The man made an ass of himself.
@@midlifemotox I think you just did
@@marcoleone8189 Everything you've typed makes no sense.
@@DannyBoy777777 GFY, does that make sense?
@@midlifemotoxhe didn't have to expose Ruth pain as a liar. She did that very well. Her phoney Shakey voice and rehearsed answers are quite obvious.
Ruth Paine’s mother was a good friend to the Dulles brothers…
And the significance of this in the context of President Kennedy's assassination?
@Nixer Doyle It's called Circumstantial evidence. It works both way you know, not only what is in your sphere of convenience.
@@NxDoyle Allen Dulles was head of the CIA when JFK was at odds with the agency. Dulles was appointed chair of the Warren Commission. Ruth Paine and her husband and parents had a long history of documented intelligence activities.
"In addition to the $170 he had left for Marina, at the time of his arrest Oswald had a $5 bill, eight $1 bills, a fifty-cent piece, three dimes, a nickel, and two pennies on his person. A total of $183.87-a big hit man for the mob or CIA. Right."
Vincent Bugliosi
@@Bestillivoze oh please, like that commenter isn't trying to use convenience by pointing out someone may be pseudo-connected to someone who's connected to the assassination in some pseudo context. Hey if you look at my family history, I'm connected to LBJ. Does that mean I or any member of my family was part of (the plot)???
So interesting how so many pieces of incriminating evidence kept showing up in the Paine's garage even after it had been searched multiple times. Interesting too that she used the explanation of having Marina move in because she wanted to learn Russian however, she already knew the language. Her testimony is so typical of the situation where the witness can say or claim anything about the defendant without the possibly of the defendant being able to refute any of the claims. Basically throwing him under the bus without him being able to answer. The light being left on had to be Lee because Marina was good about turning the light off? So she could not have left it on? And she was shocked that he would ask something of her when he asked about her helping him get a lawyer?
She didn't ask Marina to move in so she could learn Russian. She attended the party earlier in the winter to meet Lee and Marina so she could speak Russian with them. She befriended Marina and after they were friends and when Paine learned that Lee was going to New Orleans without Marina to find work, she asked her to move into her home: Marina was pregnant and couldn't speak English. It was an act of kindness and concern for a young woman who needed help. Now, if you would bother to learn some basic facts about the real situation instead of spouting false claims and irrelevances, you might not come off as so stupid.
@@bobbydazzler8684 "Autshot20's end game is to come off as stupid. In this he spectacularly succeeds.
@@bobbydazzler8684 you're completely FOS. Do some research, please.
@@joewhitfield5561 I've done my research, which is demonstrated by my lengthy comment above. Now, if you have something to add to the conversation, by all means. If, as I suspect, you don't actually have any insight, leave the discussion to the grown-ups.
I've heard her say she moved her in to learn Russian but here she admits she already knew it. That's a pretty huge lie. I heard her say this way after this in an interview when she was much older.
I remember seeing this program when it first aired on Television. Having watched Ruth Paine at the time that this program aired, I had an uneasy feeling that she was hiding something and not telling the whole truth. Her overall demeanor on the witness stand left a lasting impression that Ruth Paine was hiding more than she was telling. There are far too many questions about her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald and how both Ruth Paine and her husband got Lee Harvey Oswald his job at the Dallas Schoolbook Depository. Far too many questions.
+SouthTexasPrepper
Just shows you were and are a terrible judge of character............Of course the only reason you have questions is because in the 30 years since this originally aired you were to incompetent to look up the readily available answers.
At the rate you function, if you start reading The Warren Report today you should have no problem finishing it by the year 3872.............*Hint: Spend Less Time Making Crackpot Comments on TH-cam and You Might Finish by 3870".
Now Hunker in your Bunker *Prepper Boy* and start reading................LMFAO !!
+General Burkhalter I'm "a terrible judge of character?" Look who is talking! You do not even know me. Genius, you are not! Unless you have personal experienced it, being on the witness stand during a criminal trial is not the easiest place to be. Especially when you are under cross-examination. It is the loneliest place in the World. One has nowhere to hide. I consider myself a fairly good judge of character. Especially how a person carries themselves, what they say, the body language that they exhibit, from their facial expressions that they express, and the posture that they show in public or on the witness stand. Having a number of friends that are experts in the facial and body language field, they tend to agree with my assessment that Ruth Payne is hiding something. She is not telling the whole truth. It is not only me that has questions about her, but, many other people have far too many questions about her role in her involvement with the Oswalds. HINT: Before you judge others online, maybe it would be a good idea to get out of your basement and get to know people in person. It helps you not making yourself look foolish.
General Burkhalter Mind your mouth. Insulting people in trying to show you are intelligent never works. It show only how foolish you are. Ruth Payne was very defensive on the witness stand. It is all there on video. People that usually have nothing to hide are NEVER defensive. Even a blind man can see that. I have also learned that when people get argumentative, they usually have nothing to put forward for an argument and have to go for the personal insults. You have shown that all too well. Now, I am sure that you have a Nazi rally that you have to attend to, General.
she is cia, sister was cia, and entire family had intelligence ties.google search
DL Something is just not right about her testimony. I remember when this first came out on Showtime and I watched it in its entirety. It is obvious that she took (and is taking) offense at Gerry Spence's line of questioning and her attitude was telling the truth, but not the whole truth. She's obviously hiding some of her own possible involvement in the assassination. Having been in a jury myself, one can pick up subtle tell-tale signs that a person is not telling the truth or not the whole truth. Body language and attitude are a number of such indications. Ruth Paine is being overly defensive in her answers. Having watched this testimony, one can tell that she's hiding something and not being totally truthful. Especially some of the well-known "coincidences" (involving Ruth Paine and her involvement the Oswalds) that all seem to all fall into place and are all too convenient to be "coincidences." I'm not a believer in "coincidences." It is also interesting to note that after this show first aired on Showtime, Ruth Paine has NEVER missed an opportunity to try to salvage her already damaged and tarnished reputation that this ""trial" had caused her by going on speaking tours to explain herself. I have never accepted the fact Lee Harvey Oswald was guilty of the assassination. Especially in light of the testimony of the arriving Police Officer who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the second floor break room seconds after the assassination took place and the revelation that a fingerprint of a left little fingerprint of Malcolm E. Wallace (a known Lyndon B.Johnson associate) was found on a box in the sniper's nest of the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository after the assassination. It was a "34 point match." Slam Dunk Evidence.
She was in love with Marina,,,Paine was in the CIA, she was involved in the plot
The light and the curtain rods. Involved with what likely was a distraction. A great deal of the questions are conjecture.
Instead of choosing up sides to either attack or applaud Mrs. Paine, it seems better to focus on the adversarial dynamic of the two attorneys questioning her to get at the evidence and facts of the case. Her testimony is only one piece of the overall puzzle and there are also facts about her life and knowledge of the Oswalds that lie outside the scope of her testimony shown here; and there are others with knowledge of Mrs. Paine, the Oswalds, and their interactions who need to be heard too.
If Ruth and Mike Paine was innocent civilians then how come their tax records are CLASSIFIED INFORMATION BY THE GOVERNMENT...GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF.
James Hosty was heard from he had knowkedge of Ruth Paine and her husband Michael. Really where a lot of this suspicion started was when a telephone operator overheard Michael Paine father saying you know who did this don't you to Michael Paine and there was the minox camera belonging to Michael they tried to say belinged to Oswald.
Anyone who knows anything about spooks can tell that she was highly involved in the assassination. Moving them into her house, getting him the job at the book depository.
Low IQ Shitbag thinks he has insight into SPOOKS.
Donald trump is that you trolling? LMAO
So you want to get sued for libel by her lawyers or what?
@aaronz7056 she was a public figure and it's their opinion. Good luck with that.
this woman is shady and mysterious
She was a fluent Rissian speaker even taught Russian. She was also a CIA operative along with her husband. I believe she was complicit in JFKs murder or in setting up Oswald as the Patsy.
I Googled “Plain Jane” and a picture of Ruth Paine came up.
I watched this back when it was originally aired on HBO and I still believe Ruth Paine should be brought up in front of a Grand Jury because I have always believed her to be a intelligent agencies asset and knows a hell of lot more about the conspiracy that murdered JFK and she's still alive and needs to answer for her crimes.
And the reason she hasn't is because you are wrong!
@@thud9797Too many "conveniences" in her story, and too many unlikely "absurdities" .
God how I despise this woman. Somebody should ask her if shes willing to take a lie detector yest. I guarantee she wont.
His husband and Oswald like a twin.
His husband's youth looked like Oswald very much.
He worked in Bell Helicopters who was the great supporter of Vietnam War.
And Michael Paine helped Oswald to employee in TBSD.
I have wondered where was Michael Paine during the assassination.
Nowhere near the school book depository. Nothing at all to do with this crime. That's where he was
An absolutely stupid theory.
A lot of people in that area work or have worked at Bell Helicopter. Big deal.
Oswald and Michael Paine look very similar. Hmmmm?
@@whatever_it_takes6691 Dallas was a hot bed for intelligence. That's why.
Have you ever known people so very very wealthy actually have poor people move into their home and share a bathroom with them!?
No.
The wealth they had was trust fund money from the Forbes family and the Cabot families.
I don’t have a belief about this other than to say she is not what she seems to be.
A perfectly rehearsed story.....between Bugliosi and Paine.......not a slow down, slip up. or stutter......Academy award level acting......
If you ever become involved in a trial as a witness, your attorney, if they are competent, will go over your proposed testimony so that you dont come off as unreliable. One slip up and the opposing attorney will rip you apart. Also, a trial is NOT an investigation. That part is handled by the police, and opposing counsels PRIOR to the trial. The trial rarely deals with new facts. The counsels emphasize items from the investigation that support their efforts to win over the jury, or the judge.
She was trained to lie and believe in the lie as an intelligence agent as its been declassified now that her sister and dad were in the agency in 1963 and she would RISK all this just to be a good "quaker woman" and help a POOR communist woman out? Please , all the stuff pinned on oswald to make him guilty and the famous photo, gun mail order receipt kept showing up each time Dallas PD kept showing up, but not on day 1. She was planted to separate the oswalds so she can get everything in order, and then gets him the job right on route of motorcade 5 weeks b4 it happens. DO a search on the sister Fred and father, and it puts it into perspective what really want down and HOW DEEP this was
@@dl9229 It would be hilarious to see you try to defend yourself if she sued your butt for libel.
@@aaronz7056
Wah 😭
@@emilinebelle7811 Says the guy who just accused her under another thread of being guilty on grounds she is supposedly a "lesbian," you sick man.
26:20 PAINE IS AS NERVOUS AS A LONG TAIL CAT IN A ROOM FULL OF ROCKING CHAIRS! THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES, JUST CONNECTIONS!
One has to wonder if Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald were laying carpet together, if you catch my drift.
Two man haters. She did not like revealing her dislike for LHO . She probably found out LHO had a mistress, Judith Baker, who is still alive .The Mafia must have been busy....
Her letters to Marina had the love word in them, several times. Poor Marina...she had a reputation for being loose, as a teenager...and she did make herself available to a couple of the Agents that protected her...They called her "hot pants"! Marina was ac tually very pretty!
I saw a channel on TH-cam that alledged exactly that .there was video of it these two guys said.sobi believe marina and Mrs Payne were fooling around.
13:09, I love it when Jerry Spense cross examines Ruth Payne, because she's a sniveling woman!
shes an asset
She shows her hatred of Oswald. It's obvious she played her part well.
I did want to comment. I believe Ruth Paine was a low level CIA agent and husband Micheal was involved with Bell helicopter both had ties to some key players. Ruth knew George De Morenshield (CIA) and DH Byrd owner of TSBD and connected to oil tycoons of Dallas and etc. Second Vince Palamara points out in Honest Anwers that Mr Paine looks ( similar) to Lee Harvey Oswald .What a perfect setup .3rd Ruth admission of not calling a lawyer for him. I truly believe they were both involved up to eyebrows in this. She laughed about being a CIA agent because , she knows she is and thinks it’s funny that people keep asking her probably every day. I’m glad Pence made her uncomfortable and shut her up a couple times . Best part of whole trial
My god youre a mess lol.
@Tina Espinoza:It's a guilt-by-association fallacy: the charge of Paine's family being intel-related, but it's even worse. Since there's no credible evidence the CIA (nor any intelligence agency) was involved in JFKA, it's nothing but a logical fallacy sitting on top of an unwarranted presumption.
Beliefs are not evidence.
Palamara is a smug, paranoid clown who reads conspiracy and treachery into absolutely everything and constantly pats himself on the back for his own brilliance, ignoring any argument or evidence that proves he is wrong.
@@aaronz7056 The analogy is perfectly apt: Palamara the Clown.
I also look forward to you coming forward to the press with your ironclad evidence of Mrs. Paine being a "CIA agent" and an accessory to murder and treason, and openly challenging her to explain her perjury in court and explain why she should not sue you for libel.
Correct?
Spence is THE BEST. There isn't a single lawyer that could ever compare to him 🙌🙌🙌
Ohh, CIA Ruth.
interesting and appropriate that a person defending the Paine's calls himself "General Burkhalter"...
that's correct off topic, chitstain, general, whiterook, mikeT156 (RIP) checkmateking...all really just one or two people..
Yeah he's a loser alright. Just an empty suit.
Shady ladybug!
HE SHOULD ASK ABOUT LHO ON THE 2ND FLOOR.
It wasn’t a coincidence that Oswald crossed paths with Paine it made perfect sense. His wife was Russian, he lived and was interested in Russia so it just made sense they’d gravitate to the Russian speakers in a city like Dallas!
Nope! And it wasn't a coincidence that Ruths sister is CIA!!
@@mariahyohannes
Care to provide a little detail to that very inaccurate comment?
(I could have been really snarky in response to what you said but I’m trying to be nice.)
I not only have a bridge……I have several bridges…….
@@susettesantiago5509
Forgive me, I haven’t been here for a long time, want to try to sell one of your brides?
She now says she didn't know Russian and that's why she asked marina to move in. To teach HER Russian. That's a huge lie right there.
Very good thanks for this.
spence did a good job on cross examination.
I'm wondering what kind of party they would've met at.
It was her job to place Oswald in the tbd , and to support the idea that he was guilty. She knew Russian and took a woman she hardly knew and give her housing , and observe mundane details of their whereabouts . Very fishy , she of course was a cia operative , no question , what stake would she have in depicting Oswald as guilty , these small details of the garage light being on is to plant the idea that Oswald came back for his rifle - a rifle that was too long to be hidden in the bag that he was supposed to have had with him , she helped set Oswald upas a patsy
You have made several claims here about Mrs Paine's complicity, but you have provided no evidence to support the claims. If you make a claim without any evidence, your claims can be dismissed, without evidence.
Ruth Paine had no idea that JFK would be cruising past the TSBD....that route had not been determined until the last few days!
B.S.
@@curbozerboomer1773 Ruth was a handler for the Oswalds. There was a higher paying job at LOVE Field but her handlers wanted Lee at the TSBD. Byrd the owner was a good chum of LBJ and they were planning the assassination since April 1963 or earlier.
Does anybody else notice how unhinged she becomes about the typewriter round about 18:19 and how he supposedly was “lying” on her typewriter but how did she know they were lies? She didn’t even know who it was addressed to.
Paine: I helped set him up and now he wants ME to call him a lawyer for help?? THE NERVE!
IF you were the homeowner where your wife lived that didn't speak English, would you not, call that place, when you were able to make a phone call. I don't get why this lady was so put off by this. Actually that was the most normal action that we have expressed about LHO in the whole event?
Ozzie calls Ruth Paine to get him out of a jam. Let's review, Lee and Marina Oswald, Ruth and Michael Paine...CIA? KGB?
Shelly, LHO may have thought since she has helped Marina she may help me. Men can sometimes be oblivious to arrogance such as hers. LHO may not have realized how low her opinion was of him especially if she was masking it. She certainly is proud to display it at this trial and Spense works it out of her.
Rusty, Lee and Marina were set up to serve. Ruth and Michael were eager to serve.
Lol lunacy
I look forward to you presenting your evidence Mrs. Paine is a conspirator in murder and treason as you challenge her not to sue you for libel.
Gerry Spence would have had Ruth Paine on the ropes if this had not been a mock trial.
How so?
@@MartinDee2000 You must be CIA...
@@craft-o-matic399 Nope, just another _Deep State_ operative.
Best witness, yet ... as an historical figure
@ 19:19...I think Bugliosi is laughing to help relax RP, who has lost her composure, and also because of an involuntary reaction in appreciation of the brave and masterful performance of Mr. Spence.... big boss.
I think this lady was my teacher in the 80s in Tampa area
@@televisionarchivestudios1130 yes St Petersburg
Was Ruth a psychologist then?
Spence: "Are you in the CIA?:
She laughs.
@Jim Garrison: The jury also laughed (inwardly). So should you.
makes me feel guilty just watching it
JOHN ABT.
Bugliosi was masterful. Spence's cross examination was brilliant and effective. Ruth Paine was an excellent witness. What a great program.
And she was pretty hot, back in 1963!...I have read her letters she would send to Marina, actually professing her love for her!...makes you wonder about why she cared so much for Marina....this aspect is not mentioned much.
Chuck are you for real?
@@SphericEl Yes.
Course not, Spherical. It's sarcasm at its very finest
RUTH PAINE / JANET WILLIAMS KNOWS SHE WAS CIA...THATS WHY SHE LAUGHED. A COMMON HUMAN EMOTION WHEN YOU GET NERVOUS. 😉
I've yet to see a picture of Ruth Paine and her husband together. Hmm. ;)
this woman hates men and wanted lee's wife to feel the same. maybe she wanted to be more than a friend to lee's wife.
Ruth.paine....this.lady..needs..to...be...interviewed....before..its..to.late
She has been. Many times. Why all the ellipses?
Why was Bugliosi and Paine pulled up when she was asked about what Oswald thought, but Spence asked the same question five times and no one objects !!!
Ruth left the courthouse and flew home on her broom...
Wow. Mr. Spencer lawyer man did amazing!
...and lost the trial.
Ask her about her family's CIA involvement at the time of the Assassination. Ask her about any inappropriate relationship she might have had with Marina. It was so convenient that she was able to get Oswald a Job at the Book Depository a month before the parade. So convenient that she speaks Russian. Marina was the Niece of an Intelligence officer in the Soviet Union. Ask her about that. Ask her why she failed to notify the FBI or Secret Service about the rifle when she had it in her garage for 6 months, knowing full well that Oswald had defected to the USSR.
I'd rather just ask you if you have any concept of the word "shame."
@@aaronz7056 I would just like to ask you if you have any concept of the word "dupe"?
@@davidarbuckle7236 Other good words include "paranoia," "crackpot," "obscene," and "absurd."
@@aaronz7056 Just answer why her Tax Returns are classified. If she is just a sweet Quaker school teacher who teaches Russian at the collegiate level, and all the boxes of intelligence information on operatives within the leftist organizations were found in her garage, and Oswald had thousands of dollars in photography equipment in her garage,(made pennies at the book depository) and his rifle, surely she has nothing to hide concerning where her income came from? And certainly, the CIA would have nothing to hide either, right?
@@aaronz7056 Don't you think it is odd that Oswald had his gun stored in Ruth Paine's Garage and yet knowing that he had attempted to defect to the Soviet Union she never felt compelled to tell the FBI concerning the gun BEFORE the Assassination since he worked in a building on the parade route?
Interesting point......Well said
Like Oswald how did Ruth Paine learn Russian?
agreed & she was intelligence there to babysit and then plant evidence after the fact, and now released docs state her ENTIER FAMILY in 63 were in intelligence so this is just a coincidence that she would bring a communist woman in her house with husband having secrurity clearance and her family working for those agencies. come on --search it and you[ll see official docs
I agree.
0:22 Alice the Goon enters! What a walk! Historical Marker worthy.
"I love Popeye. I love Popeye. I love Popeye."
She's a lot smarter than Oswald's defense lawyer, and her own lawyer too. Very smart woman. Psychology major. Her sister was a psychologist for the CIA.
No way!
Jerry Spense is a lawyer like Clarence Darrow!
If Oswald was an agent he would have had money right
Randy Harris Not at all. To be skint, hard - up, and just about perennially broke,..what could be more useful to adding to the construction of him as a desperate, detestable, miserable figure ?
Hey Albert you Sean to be a reasonable man so if Oswald was an agent and involved in this plot why would he gave threatened to blow up the FBI building 10 days before the assassanation if that note had been discovered that would have exposed him and his chance to shoot Kennedy would have been gone
If Oswald was an agent he would not have wrote an threatening letter to agent hostee of the FBI that would have been plain stupid
@Jack D youre showing your ignorance about Oswald he did not have a pot to pee in he had separate apt yea sure a broom closet lol he had money to travel yes he did when he got out of the.marines thats when he did his traveling we know he was dead broke when he got back from Russia as a matter as fact he had to borrow money from Russia plus 200 dollars from his brother to get back to Texas he had no car got no phone calls it seems youre allergic to the facts pow thats another hit in the head with the facts im going to keep pounding you with my extensive research
@Jack D 12 dollars a big purchase for Oswald look.at the money he was saving living in a broom closet lol youre a nut got a round a lot for a broke guy yes when he had money out of the marines but the last 3 or 4 weekends what was he doing had his ass planted on Ruth Paynes couch watching football she was teaching him to drive she said he never got no calls big super agent Oswald lol you guys are nuts if you think he was a agent pow pow youre getting pounded with my extensive researcu why dont you just give up youre so phony
When confronted by her own words she still refused to answer the question. She was asked if he ACTED as if he was innocent, which she testified before . She wouldn't confirm because she couldn't allow that to be known. She is very good. Very good.
This trial is incomplete. It presents only "sheep dipped" witnesses parroting the "party line" in my opinion. Oswald was an enlisted marine in the deepest part of the cold war. Why would a "communist sympathiser" enlist in the marines, the most hard core branch of the U.S. military service? Wouldn't his patriotic platoon mates have seen to it that he had an "accident" ? Meanwhile we do know that the marines had a "defector program" that put volunteer marines in Russia for intelligence purposes. Are we to believe it is pure coincidence that he spoke fluent Russian? Why are there no witnesses in this trial describing Oswald's relationship with the military intelligence or CIA assets involved in such activies? Or witnesses like those Garrison prosecuted for conspiracy? Many suspicious omissions in this presentation.
Maybe because Garrison has been proven to be a kook who put on a joke of a trial. Maybe because there are NO credible witnesses that can tie Oswald to the CIA.
Operation Mockingbird tried to discredit Jim Garrison, who caught on to their lives. Real documents that are declassified now DO NOT LIE, do not cover up her ties to intelligence through her family and her "fake' husbands family. I mean, look it up, its not conspiracy junk.
Anything done by Mainstream media is going to point to oswald, even with ALL THE NEW EVIDENCE We have, Declassified Docs, oswald being an agent, Ruth Paines entire family being CIA not even counting her husband, mortician stating "They put ink on his dead hand to get the palm print" look at the movie Parkland done by Tom HANKS, the official lie is brought forth to new generations still. Fairy tales, magic bullets, lying about the neck wound, altering the presidents body, I mean, it goes on and on. They will just like 911, never put "Real info" on there.
He wanted to be in the marines because his brother was they made fun of him be abuse of his pro Castro views by the way he wanted to get out later was not honorably discharged
“People believe in a conspiracy because when death comes to the figure of a prince, as it did to Kennedy, struck down in his prime, it should come under a panoply of great tragedy with all the resulting high court intrigue-almost something out of Shakespeare-not from some poor little psychotic loser crouched with a mail-order rifle behind a stack of cardboard boxes in a warehouse”
Clay Shaw
Bug asks her leafing questions constantly. 😂
I have such sympathy for this so-obviously decent woman whose life was damaged by Oswald. For those interested in her and her relationship to both of the Oswalds the book, "Mrs Paine's Garage" is a must.
Oh please.... if her life was so damaged, she wouldn't have agreed to testify at the mock trial.
@@sanfordlarsen7608 She was, and still is, a very strong, intelligent woman.
Ruth LOVES the attention!! Foe almost 60 years she is the STAR of the Lone Nutters.
She said that they "the cops" pretty much walked straight to the garage? In the WRP that it was over and hour before a gun was menrioned? The report said Mrs Oswald said Niet to the gun but Ruth Paine said dah and directed the "the police"to it😊
@@SF-pq3sq It's said the picture of Oswald holding his rifle was taken in their backyard.
@carolynscruggs2516 manufactured photo, a CIA touch up. It was done a Codak a susidury of the CIA in 1963. The same place that Doctored the Supruder film.😉
16:49 - duping delight?
oh the light was on in the garage in 1963 I mine things like that you never forget do you
she could have won an oscar
Ruth Paine was and is a very well trained CIA operative.
Paine is trained at deception and deflection
Proof? If not, we'll just assume that you're trained in the art of bullshit.
And you are trained in shameless libel.
Marina only had a two year visa of permission to leave the USSR. It wasn't a question of LHO wanting her to go back.
I admire Mrs. Paine. She handled herself with grace and dignity.
This woman is EVIL.
Mrs. Paine is honest and upfront…..non evasive with answers and forthright..
Stop showing your increase ignorance.
@@CraigOpperman-e5z it is you..the conspiracy theorist, who is ignorant and grasping at straws…
which year was that ?
Ruth is descended from Thomas Paine, of founding father lore. Hilar that Ruth seemingly despises Oswald's 'pamphleteering' when she herself is descended from perhaps the greatest pamphleteer and author of COMMON SENSE, AGE OF REASON and others.
Ruth is a HYDE. It is her ex husband Michael that comes from the Cabots, Lodges and of course PAINE.
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES, JUST CONNECTIONS 😉
always been so impressed with this lady, the defense has a problem painting ruth paine as an "enemy" of oswald, (the lawyer actually conveys bullying her) because she was willing to help oswald (even after being accused of assassinating the president) and especially his wife and kids, she defended oswald as "innocent until proven guilty" in 1963 when doing so would have been very brave. granted some of her answers are conjecture, but as i pointed out paine was able to not like oswald and still be able to be impartial about his personality at the time.
Sauron Merciful source?
My feeling on this situation is that Ruth Paine and the very vulnerable Marina were having an affair...Ruth has mentioned how upset she was when Marina decided to move away from her...they never communicated again.
She wasn't impartial and said so. She refused to call him a lawyer as he asked and she was supposedly a big advocate for issues like civil liberty. You really have no idea of what you are talking about. She is a very good liar but she is a liar. If you actually did some decent research you could not have this conclusion.
She is so excited that the president is coming to Dallas that she tells Oswald. Then, on the day, she stays at home. Why?
she has children to take care of sir.
@@ptbuber5027 Yes, but many people were there with their children, sir
Because, just like tens of thousands of others, she was content watching it on T.V.
@ Interesting, but where is your evidence? Back in 63 there was no live broadcast of JFK in Dallas.
@ Interesting, but where is your evidence? Back in 63 there was no love coverage on TV.