The Last Days of Lee Harvey Oswald: A Conversation with Ruth Paine
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- As part of the “Four Days in November” program series to commemorate the 56th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza presented an intimate conversation with Ruth Paine, moderated by Curator Stephen Fagin.
A housewife in Irving, Texas, Ruth Paine met Lee and Marina Oswald in February 1963 and became a central figure in the assassination story. Marina Oswald and her daughters were living with Paine on November 22, 1963, and Paine had previously helped get Lee Harvey Oswald a job at the Texas School Book Depository. Oswald had hidden his rifle in her garage. Paine actively cooperated with investigators following the assassination, and she testified at length to the Warren Commission in 1964.
This conversation was presented at the Museum on November 19, 2019, in partnership with the Irving Archives and Museum/Ruth Paine House Museum. In 2009, the City of Irving purchased Paine’s former home and restored it to its 1963 appearance, where it is now open to the public as a museum.
To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org). Or make a research appointment to explore the books, DVDs and other materials available in the Museum's Reading Room (www.jfk.org/reading-room).
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A really odd moment to me. The host brings up that nobody would be at the museum had Ms. Paine not helped in getting Oswald a job at the School Book Depository, almost in an applauding type way.
Im not saying Ms. Paine did ANYTHING wrong, but what happened that day was a TRAGEDY, not something great that brought the audience together.
The host just doesnt seem to get that. He almost seems cheerful. Idk, struck me as weird, maybe youll think so too.
The host has kids in his basement, 100%
Just because she's sure LeeOswald did try to kill JFK ..it doesn't mean there was also a second shooter which has been amply and forensically proven.
if we could read her thoughts from Friday morning to Monday evening after the burials of JFK, Oswald and Tippit, about how Marina was kept from her and no longer wanted to be her friend anymore, I think we can get the gist of why Ruth Paine was so dirty on Oswald for taking 'HER' Marina away from her.
For many years the Sixth Floor Museum was dedicated to showcasing the Warren Commission viewpoint. It's only in recent years that they began to present speakers such as Forensic scientists or medical examiners like Dr. Cyril Wecht and others of his experience to provide alternative views supported and substantiated by actual evidence.
And that's a good thing to see both sides of the Coin.
Yes, they're all like that. It can only be perceived correctly with the point of view that they're a museum of reflection preserving the incident for analysis while not living in an own lingering state of sorrow. Plus conducting relaxed interviews, keeping it impartial and not offensive while preserving their own relevance. I give them credit for "navigating" the challenges and the clear familiarity of data. I wonder their opinion of conspiracy (because of the irrefuting evidence of Oswald taking shots and the overwhelming testimonies of the fence area; I do wonder about the effects of echo.)
Should have asked her about her relationship with de Mohrenschildt.
Yes Ruth did not mention that she was introduced to Marina and Lee by none other than the enigmatic George DeMohrenschildt. Lee Oswald's best and only friend. A man now described by wikipedia as having "intelligence connections."
@@rustyshackelford9156 The host of the party was NOT de Mohrenschildt. He was there but the hosts of the party were Everett Glover and Volkmar Schmidt.
@@scottcarroll9201 ah yes I was mistaken, thought I read that somewhere. I'll edit the comment.
What good would that have done?
@@rustyshackelford9156 so shes guilty by association real intelligent commwnt Rusty
How come they didn’t ask her why her Tax Returns from those years are still classified as Secret by the federal government?
Because you’d put two and two together.
As are LHO
@@marcuslaker5876lol these comments are laughable
As if mine are exclusive?
Excellent point
Ruth still tells everyone marina taught her Russian but she knew full reading and writing Russian before she meets the Oswald’s.
Correct.
She never implied that Marina taught her Russian. She's been clear that she had studied Russian well before meeting Marina - did an intense summer semester or something to that effect at Middlebury College. Ruth was always looking to improve her Russian and was delighted when she found Marina whose Russian was so excellent.
@@marymagdalene3004How convenient was that? I don’t think it was by accident that she speaks fluent Russian with a man who ends up killing President Kennedy.
The way I took that was that she was teaching Russian, but wanted to get better at it. This was a chance to speak the language with someone where it was her native language. Understandable.
@@marymagdalene3004 She said she desired to learn Russ from Marina. So...
why was she laughing and smiling so happy and loose in immediate aftermath of the events in the old Black and white interview clips , but 50 years later she is so emotional she needs a hug from the interviewer?
What does this comment mean? Obviously you have some conspiracy nonsense in mind. Please share.
@@bobbydazzler8684 no I do not, I am simply stating the dissonance between my psych degree education at UCSD and what I am witnessing in this video. @43:13 when the events in question have just transpired, she is smiling laughing , and even states how what has happened in her life regarding housing Oswald and marina “would ultimately not make a change in her life”
My point is just that if you have experienced a tragedy , like most of us have, would you be MORE or LESS emotional and despondent 50 years after the tragedy.
@@moprimo2389 Typical comment from someone who thinks they have special insight. You think your education has revealed something from watching a video. You have absolutely no idea what her state of mind is, and as someone who has supposedly got a degree in psychology, you'd know that you never offer any sort of diagnosis or opinion on a person you haven't personally treated.
@@bobbydazzler8684 I would just like to remind everyone.... its not the conspiracy theory, but the OFFICIAL theory, that the murder weapon RIFLE that used to kill JFK was found in to have been stored at Ms Pains home for some time , with no confirmed account of how LEE managed to bring over the Rifle to her house when he rode to her house everytime on Fridays with a coworker and never had anything except for Friday Morning "curtain Rods" package he had when showing up in the morning to meet his coworker in Irving , down the street before heading to work Friday morning. How was Ms. Paine cleared right away ? How do we know she did not conspire with LEE and supply , harbor and handle the rifle , why was her prints never checked? But by 3:00 Nov 22nd they had arrested Lees Coworker driver and tried to use police brutality to get him to sign confession until Midnight. This whole part of the investigation completely relies on circumstantial evidence that is the based COMPLETELY on the character witness of Ms. Paine , she seeks out Soviet Born Russian speakers ? how possibly could she have been cleared from being a Soviet spy agent during the cold war. Then for her to state in this interview that she was happy to hear LEE was shot and died ? Why so the public would never be able to hear 2 sides of the story that would possibly incriminate her at the very least as aiding in an assassination ? No WONDER Marina didn't want anything to do with her afterwards, How can Marina ever be sure that Ms Paine was not involved in setting up Lee or at least partnering in murder with Lee, she justifies Marina cutting off their friendship when she so easily said she it was good that Lee was shot and killed on live TV.
@@moprimo2389 Lol - conspiracy nut alert! What if, what if, what if. Provide a single piece of concrete, tangible and verifiable evidence that Ruth Paine isn't exactly who she says she is and I'll stop to listen. Otherwise, you're just constructing a theory that satisfies your inability to accept what's staring you right in the face.
Funny how the police knew it was Oswald only an hour later .
When something has been planned for more then a half a year every step was well known to the participants, since Dallas Police was on on it. Lee knew back in August they were going to do this to him. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book “ Me and Lee “
He tried to get out of the country after this event but even the prearranged pilot who was to fly him out of the country after the event was taken out in his plane. Nothing going on in anyone’s life was secret. Non of the many killings were coincidental even
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Read Jim Marr’s book” Crossfire”, or “Mary’s Monkey “. Judith Baker Vance’s “ Me and Lee”.
Who is behind all those killings ? Certainly not a lone nut.
Lee had a good heart. He did not talk much. Not like Ruth Paine. She is pushing 90 still loves to tell her story that contains only partial truth. Her story is incomplete. Where did money come from to feed extra people and help buy diapers etc. Good Samaritan? LOL !!!
Well he was the only person who fled the scene, only a guilty man runs.
@@TheCleaner76 Running for an hour straight lol yeah no one else ran. Did you even try you loser
@@TheCleaner76 that's not how the justice system works at all.
@@mariahyohannes uh, he also shot a cop, same afternoon.
Great episode. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Too many coincidences with this woman: wanted to speak Russian, got them to Dallas, got him to book depository.
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES!
Talks like a recruited specialty handler. This woman could get a job handling Kanye she's so deep in it
@@howiegruwitz3173 your CRT KKK hood is crooked
She was 100% involved in this crime 👍🏻
Her sister was/(is?) a CIA analyst....
Also - why did she need to "learn the language" - seems like she translates pretty effectively for Marina from English into Russian already - just saying....
Her father was the stepson of the owner of Bell helicopters which stood to lose massively if Kennedy was re elected and pulled out of Vietnam. Her mother was a friend of Allen Dulles the one time CIA chief before Kennedy fired him. Her sister worked as a psychologist with the CIA and she met the Oswald's at one of George de Mohrenschild's parties. So yes not the goody two shoes Quaker she's cracked up to be.
@@stuartschneiderman8517 Jim DiEugenio has some very interesting stuff on this subject. Well worth checking that out. She certainly is not a goody two shoes and neither was her (estranged) husband ! I'm just reading DiEugenio's book "The Assassinations" - collected articles from the "Probe" journal he and Lisa Pease edited for years - a really great read...
She already knew Russian and had studied the language since '57, possibly even before Oswald did. She had trouble in conversational Russian, but that's not the same thing as an inability converse. It's not like being a trained interpreter in real-time back and forth. It means a lot of circumlocution. Furthermore, when you have someone--in this case Marina herself--as a live-in de facto tutor, progress in conversation can proceed at a very quick rate.
@@stuartschneiderman8517
There are a lot of underlying relationships that are obviously less than innocent. Whatever the scenerios at the time, Oswald was a pawn in the assassination of President Kennedy. The bottom line details are unknown because of the tangeled web of deceit surrounding the relationship between Oswald and the CIA.
Oswald's life was filled with peculiarity, and ambiguity, so it's not clear where the truth starts and stops. In order to lay blame on him for President Kennedy's assassination, the "power's that be" had to create situations and "evidence" that would point to him. No matter what was said or done back then, the President was killed, and Oswald was set up as the one who did it, and that's the bottom line. Then, there was the Jack Ruby connection, which also had a cloud of unclear relationships between him and the CIA. Then, there's the role of then Vice President Johnson, and his connection to President Kennedy's assassination.
For an outsider, looking in, the whole conspiracy was meant to confuse and keep people from knowing the truth.
During the end of the interview, 1:01:20, Ms. Paine was asked about Oswald's opinion of President Kennedy.
Oswald was a patsy, he didn't kill the President, OR "the office of the President".
Why did Oswald need to learn the language?
if I had house guests that I didn't know very well that the fbi was keeping tabs on, I believe I wouldn't have house guests any more 😳🤷♀️
😅🤣😭
@Natalee Huling QH`s
Or if you had such guests it would indicate that you are working with the FBI.
This woman is lying through her teeth.
I have thought that to be strange, also.
She had them as guests because she had a major job to do! She said she didnt have money, yet she was left the equivalent to 2.7 millions dollars in an inheritance. This woman knew so much and the warren commission shut it down!
The FBI wasn't keeping an eye on Oswald he was working for them and the CIA!! He had been working for them for years and anyone who knows what that was like back in those days let's just say if he had defected and gave Russia information he would have been locked up and interrogated!! What's funny about anyone believing this woman is she was involved in the assassination and cover up and her testimony can't be trusted due to the fact of her connections and the lies she has been forced to tell!! Just from listening to her speak and watching her body language there are an awful lot of signs of deception!!
She's CIA.....
Proof ? You have zulch
@@barryirvin2417 her sister was CIA. Other members of her family were CIA. Her husband worked with known CIA organisation USAID. Her tax returns from around the time, which should be available as a matter of public record, are classified.
Her & her husband are direct descendants of the richest families in the US.
She was married, with kids, but her husband moves away just as Oswald & family return to the US from Russia. She just so happened to arrange to meet Marina at a party. Was told that the Oswalds were moving back to New Orleans, so all of a sudden gets Lee a job at the TSBD, a known CIA facility, & invites Marina to move into her tiny house, to keep them in Dallas.
She supposedly housed Lee's rifle, which wasn't hidden from view, but she "had no idea he had a gun", even with her kids always playing in the garage.
She handed over a letter that was typed on her typewriter.
She handed over the book, containing the Walker letter, after the police had already raied her house, with clear documented evidence that they had flicked through all books already.
She knew all about Lee's supposed defection, knew that the government thought they could be spies, but yeah, sure, she did all that just to help change a few diapers out the goodness of her heart, in exchange for lessons in Russian - a language she already knew.
All the quaker stuff has been debunked.
Then listen to her response at 15:25.
"WE have to say". That is not a normal way to respond to a question, unless she's slipping up & recounting her cover story.
The amount of times she looks down, & scratches her nose, when answering the tougher questions, is a tell-tale sign that she is lying through her teeth.
Even more blatant in Max Good's documentary.
She knew oswald for 9 months and wrote something like 91 pages about him ,she also had money so why was she even friends with oswald. She and her husband were both cia agents
When the police turned up at her house she said ' I have been expecting you' this was before it was reported oswald was a suspect
How old are you, dearie?
All I know is when the reporters in the Dallas PD HQ tell Oswald "You *HAVE* been charged" his face wasn't a look of resignation in being caught. It was pure anger at the set up. R.I.P L.H.O.
Ronbo710 Oh good grief 🙈🤷♂️
Rest in hell..
Poor guy and his poor family
The tour of her home was very interesting. Like going back in time.
She immediately had the tap taken off the phone after the assassination.
@Toni Felise: To one who is already a deep abiding believer of a conspiracy, every single last thing is suspicious, and gets cast in a sinister light, making it seem like it's evidence. It's not.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Lee Harvey Oswald had already attempted to assassinate a US Army General and had been interviewed by the FBI as such many Months prior to JFK.
@@doolittlegeorge And so...?
@@doolittlegeorge can you provide PROOF that Oswald shot at General Walker?
@@doolittlegeorge No. Somebody shot into an empty room at Walker's house and the bullet went through the wall into another room where Walker was. Two men were seen leaving in different cars. I think the gun/bullet was not the same as Oswald's guns. Marina was an incredible liar and not a reliable witness.
Fabulous! Thanks sincerely for this program!
As a CIA agent and already spoke fluent Russian before meeting Oswald,her husband as well and her and her husband worked for CIA and Bell helicopters,she and her husband was sent by the CIA too spy on Oswald who just came back from Russia with a new wife who has ties to the KGB being Ruth Paine already spoke fluent Russian so she could totally ease drop on conversations in Russian,and not knowing that Oswald was allegedly involved with the assassination this time tells DPD officers, I've been waiting on you guy's,but she didn't know Oswald was involved so how can she be waiting for them expecting them unless she was tipped off or apart of it because of the CIA and totally involved in the plot of the assassination and I don't believe a word she says because evidence proves she's lying threw her teeth just go research and investigate her and come to your own conclusions and remember the CIA connection that will come into play.
For you, I would focus on getting fluent in English.
@@banjohombre7252 for you I would focus on what the subject is being debated but you can't so you gotta change the subject.
I agree a CIA operative and very convincing , she is full of shit ! But she has made it this far , God will be her ultimate judge
@@insertnamehere313 she was an American counterintelligence agent tracking known KGB agent Lee Oswald and his KGB wife, you illiterate dunce 🥳
@@insertnamehere313 👍
Why her fascination with Russia? That is not explained in this interview at all. She comes off disingenuous at many points in this interview. Things are not adding up with her.
She was involved in student exchange in Russia to try to help peace relationships
What points Christine?
She seems believable to me, but I agree there are lots of areas that seem incredibly coincidental. She spoke at two foreign languages while living a seemingly mundane existence in Dallas TX and just happened to be housing the person accused of assassinating the president. She seems to despise Oswald and was very acquiescent with the CIA, but was she implying she was a communist sympathizer? I really don't now what to make of her. The interview was awful; he just read his list of questions, that she didn't seem surprised by and didn't follow any threads that came up in the process. Odd.
I am a U.S. citizen who has a deep fascination and love of England and British history, traditions, customs, etc. People get fascinated with other countries for various reasons. Your comment in saying that she comes off as disingenuous is just ridiculous.
michael mcqueen Thank you. My god, the stupidity when someone wants a conspiracy
Not sure how this woman has avoided prison
Think again Einstein.
Ummm.... When you work for a certain government agency. 🤔 All she's had to do is keep to her story. Not hard.
@@jimmycricket5366 Very true 😂
@@captainkavern At least I’m not interviewing her like she’s some sort of innocent bystander 😂
I think the answer is obvious.
Oh, so the first time anyone "found" incriminating evidence that Oswald took a shot at Gen. Walker was when the Secret Service showed up at Paine's door with a note written in Russian that they thought she could identify. When she did not identify it or the handwriting of it the Secret Service took license to consider this as evidence that Oswald tried to assassinate Walker. If Marina had identified it there would have been no reason to show it to Paine. Her refusal to identify it is indicative of the fact that she had never seen it before and that Marina had never told her about a "Walker incident". Could this have been a fabrication? Ruth and Marina passing things via the police......who knows what was inside this book? Who knows what may have been placed there in the process?
@Brian Rector: "Who knows" what's inside a head that's submerged deep in the fetid waters of the conspiratorial fever swamp?
@@stddisclaimer8020 You're right. A president has never been assassinated and who cares anyway huh
@@howiegruwitz3173 No one wrote (nor implied) that "a president has never been assassinated." Where you pulling up that crap from, the fever swamp?
@@stddisclaimer8020 So have you ever got a conspiracy theorist on here to answer even one single direct question put to them? All I still ever get in response are accusations of being a CIA plant, or demands in all caps that I shut up, or the occasional simple death threat.
@@aaronz7056 CT's are not equipped to answer questions, about their "theories." (I don't expect answers and never get them.) Seeing how no JFK conspiracy theory has any factual basis, all CTs can do is, kvetch and cavil, bitch and moan about the painstaking work of others (e.g. the WC) without ever having either the capability or the _cojones_ to advance their own parsimonious, cogent and viable theory of the crime. And if they ever did, that would lead to more "questions," and they can't have any of that.
If only she hadn't known about the job opening at the book depository......
That was her job as a CIA handler
Lee obviously got up and left early on purpose, in order to be able to get the gun out of the garage and bring it to Frazier's.
Buell never really scrutinized the package, a quick glance and when they got to work, he didn't see it much either, as he was reving his engine while Lee walked away. It was the gun, as Lee held the stock under his arm pit, with his hand grabbing the barrel. Whose holds curtain rods under an arm pit? Buell said it was 24-26 inches because he saw him at a distance and figured he was also holding the package from underneath with his right hand, as opposed to grabbing the side of it, that's how he came up with these measurements. He even admits he didn't pay much attention as he was looking at the trains that he enjoyed. It's too bad because it gave rise to needless speculation and conspiracy theories.
@@michaelarnold838 I know everything whereas you imagine everything
And...on a Thursday he hitches a ride to Irving with Buell - something he never did before and it was not his house and he knew that Ruth Paine did not want him there except on Sat. and Sunday just to visit his wife and kids. Very much out of place that. Then, he's so wound up he gets up early and walks to Buell's house which he never did before. Then, he carries this longish thing just like you would carry a rifle or shotgun. I mean, what was the hurry about getting the "curtain rods" from Paine's house? Like it couldn't wait until the next day to just go out to Irving as usual? When folks do things like this that are so out of the norm and so disjointed, it kind of sounds a loud alarm. And...Marina went to show them where he kept the rifle and IT WAS NOT THERE!!! No question that he did it. I think Paine said it best when she said that she surmised that Lee wanted to be a SOMEBODY and took advantage of a unique set of circumstances to bring him the mother load of notoriety! Or...even if other actors where involved in the shooting, to me, Lee was definitely one of them.
@@marymagdalene3004 I've yet to hear one conspiracy theorist explain how a conspiracy knew where the rifle was, how they knew Oswald would show up at the house Nov 21, how it could have known Oswald would suddenly possess that "curtain rods" package, how they made the rods disappear, how they knew he wouldn't just stand out on the sidewalk to watch the parade, etc.
@@marymagdalene3004 Agreed. Sums it up pretty well. Definitely one part, not necessarily the ONLY one in on the scheme.
The rifle was 41 inches minimum.
Even Buell, at 6ft 1. couldn't tuck it in there.
I’m just impressed she kept the same hairstyle for 60 years!
Thanks for another interesting presentation.
@YouthfulSage I still appreciate their making this interviews available. I take no position on what really happened, and I read between the lines where I think reading between the lines is warranted. I tend to see Ruth Paine as someone who was sympathetic to Mrs. Oswald because she saw Oswald as a poor husband. That's going to make her see him in the worst light. I know hers is a slanted view, but I have a more well-rounded view of the situation from having listened to what she had to say.
Incredible set of circumstances that a simple gathering of some women leads to Oswald getting a job at the Texas School Book Depository right at the end of the motorcade on the way to the the Trade Mart. Oswald had also applied to two other places for employment in early October 1963 and did not get selected. How history would have been so different to this very day had Linnie Mae Frazier-Randall, Ruth Paine and Roy Truly not been involved in such a trivial matter like finding work for Oswald On a completely different note Steve you say the one living person you wanted to interview was Ruth Paine that's no quite accurate. The one person still alive who needs to be interviewed, before it's too late, is Marina Oswald. I believe she is 78 or 79 now and lives in Dallas so you need to get her in your oral history before it's too late. I know she is feisty but perhaps you can persuade her to an interview before it's too late. Also try to get June & Audrey (Rachel) Porter (Oswald's two daughters) and perhaps Robert Oswald (not sure if he is still alive?). Will be down to visit the museum as soon as you're allowed to reopen (P.S. I was 13 at the time and studied it relentlessly for the past 56+ years. Thanks for all you do)
Go watch the 2 Oswald's it will blow your mind,this lady is lying and doing it like she was trained to lie because records show different,go watch it and come to your own conclusion because it puts alot of thing's in place like a puzzle about LHO.
Marina is a KGB agent who has been operating under cover for 60 years now... Just like her husband Lee and his best friend George, except that they died during their mission or covering it up afterwards 🇺🇸
Robert has passed away
@@insertnamehere313 That's hilarious.
@@kxkxkxkx That's even more hilarious.
Interesting that she said she wanted to learn Russian from Marina - Ruth was already TEACHING Russian at the St. Mark's School by 1963. If you research Ruth Paine you will find that she was no ordinary housewife.
@TheHaratashi: If you research Ruth Paine further still, you will find no connection to nor any credible evidence of a conspiracy. You may adduce guilt by association, and guilt by proximity, which are logical fallacies; but those kind of things are all conspiracy pushers have with anyone.
Sounds just like Gerald Ford, " No credible evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic."
Mike Pardue
@@rebeccapardue8438 For once, if not other times, Mr. Ford had a hunk of brain.
If the estimable Ms. Pardue is in possession of solid, credible evidence of a JFK conspiracy (which no one else has, despite 57+ years of searching), then she is advised to take her steaming pile of evidence down to the Dallas grand jury and prove her case before them. Failing that, Ms. Pardue can admit that in this case, Gerald Ford was right.
@@stddisclaimer8020 It's Mike Pardue, not Rebecca. My name is clearly on my last comment. See how easy it is to overlook things.
@@rebeccapardue8438 Yes, and you "overlooked" that Gerald Ford (at least in this instance) was correct. Not going down to the Dallas grand jury?
Interesting interview. As an institution dedicated in part to educational activities, I think the Sixth Floor Museum should avoid presenting a one sided view of the JFK assassination. They should also make an exhibit available under the title The Controversial and the Conspiratorial Views on the JFK Assassination, where people could be exposed to alternative perspectives and evidence as well, and reach their own conclusions. Keep in mind that at any given time at least 60% of the public (be it Democrat, Republican or otherwise) believes that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone.
Only because the conspiracy theory makes it more interesting and their are like a trillion of them just take your pick what you want to believe there has been millions made off of them. But the facts don't support any of them other then LHO. But thats just to damm boring.
Not only did he not act alone and he knew this prior to the event when he stated any bullet from him would be one less bullet the president would receive. That statement shows number one why he was ordered back to Dallas by his handlers and number two he knew the planners of such events always use more then one lone nut sharp shooter. Number three he knew way back in July what was being planned by those he was working for and working with regarding Kennedy getting snuffed, which left him no choice. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book :” Me and Lee!” Ruth Pain knew not enough details about Lee’s real hopes and plans he had for himself and Judith Baker Vance after Marina turning him down for a reconciliation the evening before the president’s assassination.
The president clearly received shots from behind as well as from the front/ grassy knoll and not from way above, which would have been a weird angle for any of the injuries at the throat, in the back and right side of the head, and separate shots to Connell. 5 shots, possibly 5. No way did Lee do this.
Those he worked for planned this assassination very clearly as LBJ’s mistress revealed in one of her 1990 interviews. They had Lee over the barrel since he traveled the world on their financial support. He was a low guy in that higharchie and low pay for sure but it left him with no choice but to obey and follow orders. At least he appeared to sort out his life until he could get out from under those who controlled him.
Mrs Paine made up her mind being under the mainstream media mind control system. No wonder Marina backed off from a continued friendship.
Ruth is still opinionated and partially mind controlled. Too bad. Lee tried to get out from under the control he had been under but at the same time appear to be obedient to his controllers.
It is better to gather all the facts first before making this judgmental statement :” I was glad that Lee was killed by Ruby ?” Wow ! What an awefull remark by anyone !!!
@@karinhopkins6158 I can't believe you took the time to type all of this dribble. Just more of the same nonsense.
@@leemoore9933 * drivel
@@karinhopkins6158 BINGO! As far as the trajectory of the shots....Charles Nicolette was most likely firing from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex Building....I went to exact spot James Tague was standing, a direct line from his feet to the president leads DIRECTLY to the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tax Building..... According to the Warren Commission the James Tague bullet was one of 3 fired by Oswald, this would have mean that his 2nd and 3rd shots hit the president yet the first one passed over the car the top of the car by AT LEAST 20 feet!!! The only wound that is consistent with bullet coming from the 6th floor is the one at the back of the armpit on John Connally, exit at the right nipple. "Absolutely not. I do not for one second believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." John Connally
Something about this woman makes me question every single thing she says, but after all these years, she still sticks to her story.
Dead men tell no tales. Her lies go unchecked. Marina did teach her Russian. She's a God damn plant!
CIA training.
Absolutely
Just like anybody with govt affiliation all they know is to lie. They make their mistakes or "tells" when telling the truth bcuz they aren't used to it
You people are hopeless, absolutely hopeless. You're going to cling to your madness of conspiracy theory because you're incapable of grappling thoughtfully with the topic. You'll never read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History," or Gerald Posner's "Case Closed" or Jean Davison's "Oswald's Game" because your minds have become so polluted with nonsense you couldn't cope with those books.
If the F.B.I. was closely watching Lee Oswald. Was it just a coincidence that President Kennedy drove by the Texas School Book Depository where Lee Oswald worked?
Yes. Also, the FBI were not watching him *that* closely.
Yes it was
She said Oswald didn’t like Russia because he couldn’t own a gun there, yet she had no clue that he did own a gun. Unlikely.
Oswald didn't care for the job the Soviets gave him, it was boring and repetitive. He also said there was nothing to do in Russia, not even a bowling alley or any other kind of recreational things to do.
What?
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She was a CIA handler. Marina's handler. George DeMoreshield was a handler for Lee. May have misspelled George's name but you get the point
George d Mohrenschiltd, exactly right. He was a the Paines were domestic CIA.
@@ronniebishop2496 George de Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne were both known KGB agents, dum dums
So was Oswald's lawyer John Abt and Mark Lane... All known KGB agents ☝️
Tin foil hats at the ready kids
@@Beastgrows Ducks with heads in sand butts in air. Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha
Ok so..🙄🤣👀
In 2018 I met with Ruth Paine in Santa Rosa, Ca.. She lives in a nice Quaker complex and we met in the lobby for about 90 minutes. I was starstruck! She's a lot taller than I thought, maybe 5'10", it was interesting. She mentioned although divorced from husband Michael for many years, he lives in the same building as her, right down the hall. He has complete Alzheimers and dementia, she takes care of him and said that he has no idea who she is and hasn't for quite sometime. It was interesting to speak to a person that close to the JFK Story.
Michael died in March 2018.
You might be interested in Thomas Mallons book about Ruth Paine. Well written and interesting.
@@butchie2752 Thank you!
@@jimr7398 I think it’s titles Ruth Paines Garage
@@butchie2752 thanks, I googled the author and I had read the book! It was done very well, very readable. Ruth Paine, another footnote in an amazing story which seems to be coming back to life a bit. She was still sharp as a tack in 2018, she told me she thought Oswald had a death wish. Thanks again.
Imagine the situation at the time. Dead middle of the Cold War. The Cuban missile crisis was barely 1 year before..and you allow a known defector/traitor and his Russian wife to move into your home. Never occurs to you that big trouble could ensue. I’ve always wondered about that.
She must have wanted to learn Russian REALLY BAD!!
She wanted that inflated Bell helicopter shares money real bad.
Maybe it was her secret job to watch them, dum dum...
@@jimmycricket5366 Exactly Bell Helicopter had great motive to have Kennedy eliminated. Kennedy was going to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (NSAM 263).
@@williamwhitten7820 They were on the verge of bankruptcy.
Seemed an extreme, righteous, unyeilding, humanitarian.
A fascinating interview but so many questions to be asked, thank you for this Stephen.
She was "glad" Oswald was shot? One takes this to mean that within only two days after the assassination that she KNEW he was guilty. While not one to suspect her honesty, I think there seems to be reasonable grounds to question the quality of her judgment; at the same time raising the question of whether or not she was coached and manipulated by others. After all, what would have been wrong for her to say she simply did not know what actually happened; instead of, as turned out to be the case, of jumping on the WC band wagon? That is, how could she say she really knew Oswald was guilty? Based on her own experience with him or the WC?
She and her husband talked after the murder of JFK and Michael said we know who is really responsible for this. How did that get swept under the rug? I bet she was extremely pleased once Oswald was dead and no further inquiry would be made about possible accomplices... like the person who got Oswald the job... oh yeah, she did that.
She knew he was guilty the day of the assassination when the police showed up and asked if he owned a rifle. She said no, but Marina corrected her and said there was a rifle in the garage. When they went out to the garage and picked up the blanket the rifle was stored in, it went limp in their arms. That's when she knew he was guilty. She already knew from television news reports that the president was shot from the building where Oswald worked.
That was odd. I expected her to walk that back but she didn't. Ruth is glad Lee is shot dead while in the arms of the Dallas police? Before he had a trial? With many questions left unanswered? Her hatred of LHO must greater than she is letting on.
Very connected to cia types and they all want a commie to take the rap.
@@charlesrobbins2208 For a Quaker, it's strange that Ruth P. was glad that LHO was shot.
Did she have a phone or not? First she's too poor for a phone, so they wrote letters. Then when Lee goes to louisianna, the wife can stay as she has a phone. Which is it?
Yes, wasn't sure if I missed something or she meant The Oswalds.
The Oswalds didn't have a phone. Ruth had a phone.
She was referring to Marina.
wouldnt believe a word out of her mouth
Very kind woman…but there’s something very odd as well.
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I agree but can’t think what
She’s a CIA agent. Too well spoken and the details of her story are too clear for someone her age. As an elderly lady who was just a casual witness she doesn’t even pause to think as if she’s remembering as she goes along her words just spill out.
@@tula1433 I mean “wow”! What situational awareness on your part! Never even thought of that.
Ruth’s family members are actually involved with CIA, so was Lee. They all help each other. It was no accident that Marina lived at her house while Ruth tried to learn the Russian language and later Spanish.
Ruth never wavered from the mainstream media mind controlled narrative as to who killed our president. Kept up the mind control game by the CIA into her old age. Shows she had a closed mind to real and accurate info by many who produced the real facts as varified in their books.
She certainly would have made a great Hollywood actress, where many play a convincing part. Yet it is a play never the less.
In a supposed lone nut case that altered the trajectory of History how is everyone so interconnected in Dallas on that day 1963? even by one or two degrees and many of the behaviors seem uncommon or unusual for the lay person back then; everyone's a specialist
how do crime scenes get automatically cleaned and turned into museums?
Jim Garrison later went on to become a judge. he penned a book. his research has pointed towards some truth: if you were only putting Oswald's wife up that ought to be dismissed eventually.
for 1963 Oswald seem to move around an awful lot: he's in Russia was he in japan? now he's in Dallas
@@mojoeye He was no loner, that's a fact.
The day Oswald allegedly ordered the rifle old Ruthys diary is marked with a X that day. When asked she said that was the day she was getting her period lmfao 🤣 yeah OK 👍
May she and Marina were syncing their cycles?
@petecook5VIDCHANNEL1 lol maybe but highly doubtful
She said it best at 17.39. “There were so many things that just happened you know.”
She supposedly befriended Marina to help her learn Russian when she already knew how to speak it. Incriminating evidence kept being 'found' in her garage after it had already been searched. She admitted she didn't like LHO. She was annoyed that Lee called her and asked her if she would help find him lawyer. She thought he should have one but she was surprised that he would ask something of her at that point. She was bothered that he used her typewriter without asking. She was in her garage the night of Nov. 21 painting but yet she didn't know about 'the' rifle being in the garage? And she assisted Lee in getting the job at the TSBD. A lot of curious connections.
Autshot20 You’re another conspiracy nut. She wanted to be more fluent in Russian. She spoke some but what better way to really learn a language than to be around someone who spoke it as their first language. Geez
*sigh* Alright let's take these one by one. Paine states in this interview her Russian wasn't very good and she wanted to get better. Immersing yourself in a language is the best way to learn it and being around a native speaker is a form of immersion.
What incriminating evidence found in her garage are you referring to? The rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. It didn't have a note on it saying "This is a rifle. DO NOT TOUCH!" EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE found at the Paines was corroborated by Marina, from the rifle to the backyard photos to the Edwin Walker notes, so unless you think Marina was involved in the conspiracy your accusation is meaningless.
She didn't like Oswald because she felt he was not a good husband. No grand mystery there. As for her being surprised he would ask something from her after killing the President of the United States I would think that would be a pretty normal reaction but your mileage may vary. She wasn't bothered he used the typewriter, she was bothered that he typed up a letter to the Soviet Embassy telling them the FBI wasn't interested in him when she knew damn well that they were.
Again, the rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. To anyone simply scanning the contents of the garage it would look like a normal, folded blanket. Finally, she assisted Lee in getting that job because Marina asked her to. If you want to invest that event with some sort of nefarious meaning then you have to believe that Buell Frasier's sister was also part of the plot since she's the one who told Ruth about the School Book Depository.
@@markstanley6876 Typical response, someone questions the circumstances involved in the situation and you label them a nut. Typical. She became interested in speaking Russian in 1959. She even taught Russian. And she just happens to befriend the wife of the person who would eventually be charged with assassinating the President of the United States? Of all the ways she could have developed her fluency in the Russian language, that is the option she chose? Coincidence? And what about all of the evidence that appeared to keep showing up in her small, one car garage? She stated she didn't like him very much. Is that an objective witness to what the setting was at her home?
@@scottcarroll9201 She wanted to improve her Russian, so she befriended Marina. That was her only means of developing her fluency? The incriminating evidence? The pictures of him holding the weapons. The communists material the DPD. The notes on Walker. It seems reasonable that if she was in that small garage she would have noticed a blanket that appeared to be wrapped around something. Didn't have to be label, RIFLE< LOOK IN HERE. She stated she never noticed the blanket. She never noticed the paper that Oswald supposedly used to wrap the rifle in. You are right, she didn't like him, it doesn't matter why. Some of these items were found after the garage had been searched. Pieces of evidence seemed to keep showing up after the garage had already been searched.
To use her as an objective witness to the circumstances involving Oswald is perhaps not the best way to reach a conclusion about what type of man he was. She said he had NEVER come out to the house on a Thursday prior to Nov. 21. That implies him showing up on Thursday 11/21 was completely out of the routine. That is not true. There is a record of him cashing a check at an Irving liquor store on Thursday, Oct. 31.
And she was bothered he had used her typewriter. She was bothered he had type the letter and that he had used her typewriter to do it. And Marina has changed her story on several pieces of the evidence over the years.
@@Autshot20 -Lone Nutters never look below the surface. Oswald was an actor he was playing a role as a Communist. LBJ was playing a role in the aftermath, as was was Dulles on The Warren Commission. Ruby was playing a role as an Avenger of The President's death, when in reality his life depended on killing Oswald who he stalked the whole weekend.Marina, and Ruby, both said there was a conspiracy,but they ignore that too.
YES FINALLY MY FAVORITEEEE VID!!!!
She's 87 years old here.. 89 now... Absolutely incredible
Thanks for the info. I was wondering just that as I was watching. She’s still living now (asking since your comment was from a few months ago)?
@@lisasharf1442 she appears to still be alive today
Dear Ole Ruth is reading her script!.
I agree with you she is incredible, just not credible.
@jerryNOFACTS - how long did ya ride the DEMOCRATMINDREADING DONKEY
She wrote the notes supposedly written by Oswald. Funny how the were found in her garage well after the fact.
Everything leads to Oswald ....... give it up
Go away troll
@@marysinger612 You have hidden evidence? Because words are facts, they're words unless their facts
Words aren't facts, unless they're proven to be factual. Ruth Paine is a very credible individual. She's never changed her stance on Oswald and she's never changed her story on the events that occurred during that time period.
@@ji5340 Nope everything most suspicious leads to LBJ,Mafia, and US Intelligence.
It's never dull, reading the comment threads on anything related to JFK's death. So many experts analyzing Ms. Paine's eye movements, facial tics, etc., etc.... All this collective genius and nothing to show for it. Must be frustrating to chase your tails for fifty years and catch nothing.
It is the conspiracy nonsense that ends up debunked that gets conspirators off the hook. Whether in a court of law or in the court of public opinion, the introduction of fabricated evidence will lose your case... As for me, I don't see myself as a conspiracy theorist, but as a conspiracy analyst, and I do see evidence of a broader conspiracy beyond the abilities of Oswald... It only takes the involvement of two or more people to make something a conspiracy. It's not like literally everybody has to be in on it.
@@jade59230 And I don't see a stitch of evidence that anyone else was "in on it." These conspirators were so inept that their conspiracy was 'known' from the beginning, yet in fifty-plus years not one ounce of definitive proof as to identity, means, etc..? So they're so clumsy they couldn't disguise the conspiracy, yet so clever they managed to avoid detection? Good grief... Add to that their choice of stooge, a depressed douche bag who couldn't launch the escape without killing a cop; good choice, by geniuses so good at choice-making that, again, their jig was up almost the moment it happened, yet here they still are, free from justice half a century later. (And let me guess.. they were all MURDERED by the deep state!! To keep them all quiet...!!!!)
Every conspiracy theory is so ludicrous and half-baked that it requires a real desire to live in paranoia. Instead, try not allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Was the investigation perfect? No, but few are. Prosecutors and investigators, whether at the local or the federal level, are human, and they rush things, make mistakes, miss things, have gaps in their analysis, whatever. (Unlike conspiracy peddlers, who are so far from good that their 'analysis' long ago stopped being worth the price of the books they publish.)
I give the conspiracy angle--whatever it was and however it possible could have been pulled off--a 1% chance of being legitimate. Show me irrefutable evidence of other men, in exact places, doing exact things, at exact times, with no room for variation or interpretation, and then we can talk. I'm sure you're a sincere person, but almost six decades of this nonsense is well more than enough.
@@wolfwilliams The Warren Commission Report concluded that Oswald was the lone gunman or actor. Would you agree then that Oswald was extremely lucky as a lunatic? Did he win the lunatic lottery?.. My problem with the lone gunman theory is that the target was brought to Oswald. It really does look like Kennedy was delivered straight to his assassin on purpose... Oswald was in a fixed position for 30 days before he could have known what the exact motorcade route would be, and yet he was in the perfect position far in advance. Then Kennedy was brought right to him... Only a few people in Washington could have known what the exact motorcade route would be a month in advance... If the Kennedy assassination was not an inside job, then what happened is an evil miracle... Can you think of a similar event that took place?.. Off the top of my head, I am thinking about how Robert Kennedy and Sirhan Sirhan ended up in the same place at the same time with a deadly result... Maybe most assassinations look like a conspiracy when it was just an crime of opportunity. Someone who is very troubled or offended is in the perfect position by fate alone, they see that, and they act out on their own. Inspired by the opportunity they have... Then when people look around, and see how the victim's enemies benefited, they suspect a conspiracy... I can look at this multiple ways, and understand where other people are coming from.
@@jade59230 In a random universe, there is no need for a mathematical explanation of every event. A few weeks ago a woman was walking in Manhattan and a piece of a building fell off and crushed her. It just so happens that she was a prominent Manhattan real estate broker. What are the odds that a prominent Manhattan real estate broker would be walking past the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time to be killed by a falling piece of Manhattan real estate, a manner of death that occurs so rarely as to be akin to a lightning strike? Answer: Who gives a shit what the odds are? Math has its uses, but one of them is not to help explain the inexplicable coincidences that occur all over the world every day. Not every oddity has to be explained to the satisfaction of every incredulous bystander. Shit. Happens. The JFK motor route was published a few days prior to Nov. 22, and maybe LHO saw it and seized his moment. Does it require more complexity than that? If you're a naturally suspicious type, then maybe it does. The Zodiac killer got away with killing Paul Stein because some SFPD dispatcher made a mistake and said the killer was black, and two SFPD officers drove by a white guy leaving the crime scene and never questioned him. Zodiac laughed at the cops in one of his later letters, saying they spoke to him and let him go. Do we need math to explain why this one time a dispatcher got a description wrong, or a conspiracy theory that tries to explain an SFPD murder cover-up? Or did something unfortunate just happen to happen at exactly the most inopportune time?
@@wolfwilliams Did that piece of building receive any advance press involving foreign intrigue? Did the death of the real estate broker result in any domestic or foreign policy changes?.. Maybe I've seen too many episodes of Columbo... I want to see a couple made for TH-cam movies. One titled: Columbo Investigates the Kennedy Assassination, and the other titled, Columbo Investigates 9/11... What would you consider smoking gun evidence? What would you consider too much to be believed? What would make you incredulous about the establishment narrative about any story? What is your pass or fail test when you watch the news?.. I draw the line at plausibility. Anything may be possible, but not just anything is probable... Could O.J. Simpson be innocent? Possibly, but it's not plausible... In a court of law, jurors are supposed to decide what is probable, not merely possible. I think that's reasonable, as in reasonable doubt or reasonable suspicion... Was the O.J. jury verdict split along racial lines? Is the JFK verdict split along political lines?.. That's how it looks to me... I think we can both agree about this much. Neither one of us likes conspiracy nonsense. Like the debunked magic bullet myth, and multiple shooters. We both agree that in all likelihood, Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy... Even when I was in my teens I saw major consciousness of guilt on the part of Oswald. He was the only one who fled the scene of the crime, and he was so desperate to get away, that he murdered a police officer, then tried to hide in a movie theater. In the police station? he was very sheepish or passive for a man who was under suspicion for murdering an American president... If you or I were falsely accused of such a thing, we would be enraged and beating up the police, not the other way around. Innocent suspects act one way, they're very offended and angry, while guilty suspects keep their cool. Innocent people don't try to get away, while guilty people usually do... I've never been on the Oswald as innocent patsy bandwagon... HE DID IT. My only question is whether or not he acted alone? I still don't believe that it's plausible that he acted alone, or that he was just extremely lucky. Or that Kennedy's enemies were extremely lucky. That Oswald was not associated with any Kennedy hating Republicans or Kennedy hating Democrats. That was extremely convenient for Kennedy's enemies. Oswald being the killer was and is just too perfect.
The "singer" she referred to as introducing Oswald to her was George de Mohrenschildt.
De Mohrenschildt was an accomplished man. Did not know he was a singer, too.
You mean the same de Mohrenschildt who wrote CIA director Bush a letter asking for his help, during the beginning stages of the HSCA? The same de Mohrenschildt who died under highly suspicious circumstances the day HSCA investigator G. Fonzi came to interview him? Yes, I’ve heard wonderful things about his singing, hasn’t everyone?
You leave the police in your house to go food shopping . You are feeding the police ! This is crazy . You were too involved with Marina . Why ? You were concerned that she did not know that things were being explained to her. Marina was not a baby she spoke some English
Marina was a KGB agent, just like her husband ☝️
She claimed to go shopping 3 or 4 days in a row including a Sunday which was not possible back then ,she's a liar
She said she didn't know Oswald had a gun. She also stated at the first meeting with the Oswald couple at a party, that he left Russia because he wasn't allowed much freedom, that in Russia he was not allowed to own a gun. 😏
The commission spent a lot of time asking her questions because her version of events didn't make a lot of sense.
They were not going to make him a celebrity. Pissed him off. The only skill he had was shooting a guy and cleaning toilets. Total loaer
She was the Best Friend!
Lifetime CIA asset. Still on the job here.
In my opinion the sixth floor museum exists to maintain the cover story of the assignation and prevent real investigation and inquiry into the murder.
Stop reading Conspiracy books.
28:35 - it wasn’t an alias if they knew his name was Oswald and that he wasn’t there when she rang🤷♂️
You’re talking about Oswald’s apartment? He was living there under the name O.H.Lee. That’s how they knew him, and how he signed anything there.
@@lisasharf1442i see -THANKS👍
She arranged for Oswald to work at the Book Repository , amazing coincidence
In the real world she would serve jail time for assisting a terrorist
Yes, but that was weeks before the route Kennedy would take was known.
Not really. She said they were hiring. Oswald filled out and application and interviewed
No coincidence at all you don't listen good.
Not a coincidence. She works with the CIA.
How what George Washington said in his farewell address is dismissed so easily as naïve and that the USofA has had to be proactive in our defense is utter nonsense in the face of making the population think that we have to believe that national interests is justification for secrets. It is madness that now we have given up liberties that the gov’t first claimed we were fighting foreigners to protect those freedoms. Why have the people never questioned US selling weapons to kings? How were the people so quick to believe that it’s right to fight against a countries desire to be free of European colonialism. It is no different in fighting for ones right to say what he feels or believes even when you are certain he is wrong you must still fight for his right to say it. But we continue to give the gov’t a practical blank check to continue with their secrets. When at the very least the people should be starting to understand that a country that has secrets cannot possibly govern by rule of law!
USA has become the most aggressive imperialist state in the world today,quite an irony after the treason,sedition and rebellion committed by the Founding Fathers , emigrants from England, against their king, George III.
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You should have had her describe her political views in the interview to put her statements in context. She was a pro-Soviet Communist. Context matters. "So many things just happened" is what liars say. These things didn't just happen. People made them happen. It's not credible that she had no idea Oswald intended to assassinate Kennedy. He had to have made anti-Kennedy statements. She had to have known he had a long-range rifle, purchased March 12, 1963. While Marina was hanging diapers to dry in the backyard one Sunday between March 12, 1963, and April 24, 1963, Oswald had Marina take his picture with the rifle he used. Politically active Paine described the trivia of his life, not his relevant statements and political views. It's telling that Paine dumped Marina when she was done with her. Her rationale is not credible; that would be a bonding experience for a friend. I recommend viewers do more fulsome research.
@TermsofService -Except there is not one chance in a million Oswald Acted Alone. The Autopsy and Parkland witnesses make that clear.
@TermsofService JFKs body is the evidence. The doctors at Parkland said the bullet came from the front! Its physics pure & simple. Ruby walks right into guarded police headquarters WITH A GUN, to get close enough to murder the one suspect? JFKs brain goes missing, all Secret service notes disappeared..finally people saw gun smoke from the grassy knoll which is why they all ran there first! Believe your eyes.
@TermsofService ..the doctor in the room said he looked directly at the head wound which told them the back of his brain was falling out which, PHYSICS tell us, that he was hit from the front! Also, the Dallas autopsy guy was one of the best in the country, yet Secret Service was absolutely not! Open your eyes! It's not rocket science at all, but it is certainly a CONSPIRACY!
@TermsofService There IS EVIDENCE, you just choose to ignore the power, the motive and the money. JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA, end the war, deport the mafia! Do you actually think the most powerful men in the world would roll over & allow that? No! LJB would've never been potus if JFK wasn't assassinated. The money flow from the Vietnam war and the money flowing to the mafia...is much too substantial to let JFK end it all. The military industrial complex, LBJ, mafia are the only ones to get JFK to Dallas, get him in an open car, have all the cops & secret service stand down that day...& then kill the only suspect to destroy evidence of the truth. Read!
@TermsofService ...if there were on assassin, why in the world all the secrets behind this murder? They've kept the docs sealed for 50 years! Why? because powerful people were involved...count the number of bodies of folks who gave a slither of truth, they were all killed! Today, men are still afraid to really say names! Again, if just a murder why on earth conceal hide or destroy everything? Makes zero sense! Wake up!
she is the only witness that is to give us the explanation of why Lee is not living with Marina.
and just how does history know that she didn't help supply the murder weapon and help LEE store and prepare the Rifle? the official story is that LEE had to change his routine to a first ever Thursday night over at Ms Paines - ONLY to be seen with a package Friday morning as he walked over to a neighbor of MsPaines to catch a ride to the Book Depository with his coworker, the only time ever LEE is witnessed by anyone with what is SUPPOSED to be the murder weapon. It makes it a little more easier to understand why the pictures of him with the rifle are to be investigated as possibly altered because they almost need those pictures to connect LEE with a rifle at ANY TIME during his stay in Dallas.
Im sorry but to then respond in this interview that she was HAPPY to see LEE was murdered on Live TV ? seems like more the actions of an accomplice at the very least , since she knew Marina couldnt speak english and lee couldnt speak period because he was dead. Really makes you reconsider her abnormal interest in Marina and the letters trying to reach her , almost as if she wanted to make sure Marina didnt know anything she could share with researchers , that would incriminate Ms paines Actions. That is why the interviewer mentioned some think you helped a little TOO MUCH, she was anxious to get her telling of the events as it benifits her , and not only her role , but Lee's and Marinas as well.
More promo, what about her relation to Allen Dulles.
@@stephenleyden9559
She was a friend of Dulles.
Yeah she was on the grassy knoll shooting. Come on.
@@SueProvshes in it up to her neck, and you know she's pretty tall. Her husband had moved out. Where did her husband work? Who was his mother? Who was his stepdad? What did his stepdad do for a living? Where did his stepdad work? What was his place of employment's product? What was that product needed for? Where was the company? Who had investments in that company? Who would lose money, if no war? Who was the mayor of Dallas in '63? Who was the mayor's brother? Who had fired the mayor's brother? Who else had been fired along with the mayor's brother? There's a start....
I found it macabre when Payne said " I'm glad he got killed", as if that's enough or justice: when it's well known he may have been part of a gallery of gunmen. What about his account of what happened in
court or having a defence lawyer? Very judgemental.
6:25 Chevy wagon in driveway. Once heard a Rambler Station Wagon seen in pics of Dealy Plaza was said to be hers. Anyone have info?
Ruth's car was not a Rambler.
Car is owned now by Frank Badalson in N. Carolina.
Google him...
@@patrickcollins7407 Thanks for the feedback !
@@patrickcollins7407 So why did Oswald get upset when police asked about Ruth and her Rambler ?
@@otom20 Ruth did not own a Rambler.
Her car is now owned by a friend of mine a retired LE officer in VA.
Ruth was nowhere D Plaza when JFK was shot...
What is your point please...?
@@patrickcollins7407 Dallas police office Roger Craig said that he saw a Oswald ( Or Oswald looking guy ) running from TSBD after JFK was shot and getting into a green Rambler STW. When he asked asked about that from Oswald he cried out " Leave Mrs.Paine out of this!".
This is an incredibly good interview!!
Classic textbook misdirection..
@@aaronsmith5433 Funny she has CIA ties and after the assassination the police came to her house to search and she asked for the warrant cops said they didn't have one and she still let them in to search,why ask them then,also if Oswald fired 7 shots then why did he test negative on a pariphine test on his face,neck,arms and hands,Oswald's pariphine test can be seen by anyone it's public record now.
@@aaronsmith5433 So you're saying she was in on it too. Okey dokey.
@@figgybass You just can't reason with conspiracy buffs. They are wedded to the idea of conspiracy. They like every conspiracy they hear and read about.
@@figgybass no, Ruth was part of the American counterintelligence effort against KGB agent Lee Oswald and his KGB wife Marina 🇺🇸
The most intriguing part of this starts at about 37:40 with Ruth and Michael Paine on the day of the assassination...I never saw that part of the clip before. I fortunately got Ruth Paine to answer a letter (about 6 months after I sent it) to an address I had for her in California. She wrote back such a nice letter and signed it "Ruth Hyde Paine". I will always treasure it.
Micheal Paine had a security clearance required for his job at Bell , his name was on the deed of the house, how was it that he was just timely enough to not be living withthe soviet defector guests in his house just before and after the assignation. Im sure that would have been a breech of his contract being so closely tied to soviets
@@moprimo2389
SO??? Here we are almost 58 YEARS after this event and conspiracy theorist are still just throwing out just loose words and ideas with their "anything goes" approach and never able to play out what they are saying. Funny that for the first (non-police or Fed) interviews Ruth and Michael Paine gave on TV the very day Oswald was killed (November 24) conspiracy theorist would think they would bury and cement Oswald as "an unstable, crazy, time-bomb, Kennedy hating, gun obsessed, super-Communist motivated nut" and instead, in separate interviews they practically said the OPPOSITE.
@@pajasa62 he was the VERY first United States Marine to defect to the USSR...
Does that meet your definition for a crazy super-communist? It does for me!
@@pajasa62 For sure, and just how vast and sprawling do they think this phantom conspiracy was, anyway? All it took was two reporters and a couple of witnesses to explode Watergate and bring down the government....
@@aaronz7056 There was NO conspiracy. The only person involved and knew shots would be fired at the motorcade was Lee Harvey Oswald! I don't find any proof anyone but Oswald himself was involved. I was 16 when the assassination occured and have been studying it off and on ever since. In 1964 I was impressed with Mark Lane's Rush To Judgement which attempted to throw water on Oswald's involvement. But by the 40th anniversary in 2003 it became crystal clear to me no one but Oswald was involved. The facts that one can absolutely nail down is just three shots all from the 6th floor window and from an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. Since Mr. Truly was a bit skeptical about hiring Oswald, but did, and Oswald worked there and the rifle found absolutely belonged to Oswald and it's easy to prove the three shots came from that building and all the ballistic tests PROVE all fragments, spent shell casings and CE399 the magic bullet were fired by Oswald's rifle, it is just natural to assume the person who fired those shots killing Kennedy and wounding Connelly WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD! Occam's razor really does cut to the chase!
George de Mohrenschildte got Oswald the job at the Texas Book Depository. The friend that introduced her was actually George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA asset.
Her husband, Michael Paine, found employment as a research engineer with the Bell Helicopter Company, whereas Ruth was employed as a part-time teacher of the Russian language at St. Marks School in Dallas.
In 1963 Michael Paine left the family home. According to the author Jim Bishop (The Day Kennedy Was Shot), it was a "friendly estrangement". Ruth continued to live in Irving and at a party in February, 1963 she was introduced to Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald by George De Mohrenschildt. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Ruth Paine. Lee Harvey Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas School Book Depository.
Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism."
Ruth Paine was a key witnesses for the Warren Commission and provided detailed information on the activities of Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswaldbefore the assassination. Jim Garrison later suggested that Ruth Paine might have been involved in setting Oswald up as the "patsy". Garrison points out that Paine's father " had been employed by the Agency for International Development, regarded by many as a source of cover for the C.I.A. Her brother-in-law was employed by the same agency in the Washington, D.C. area." He also claims that he had tried to "examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret.... What was so special about this particular family that made the federal government so protective of it?"
Mr. Ted Schurman, advised me that Michael Paine was employed by Bell Helicopter as a research engineer and he held a security clearance. Bell Helicopter had a vested interest in the ongoing war in Vietnam where there Huey Helicopter were in service. It was in Bell's financial interest to have Kennedy eliminated because of Kennedy's plan to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (See: NSAM 263)
Bell helicopter was verging on bankruptcy on Nov 22, 1963.
Morenshieldt was not an cia asset because you were interviewed once doesn't mean you were an asset
@@randyharris3175 *We all know you are a paid shill Randy, so just stop.*
@@williamwhitten7820 Nope William you're wrong just know the facts.
@@randyharris3175 *Get lost Harris*
The light being on in the garage does not mean that Lee went into the garage.
Ruth saying the light was on...does not mean the light was on.
@@rustyshackelford9156
"Ruth saying the light was on...does not mean the light was on." Probably the best comment I have read in the last 2 years
@@rustyshackelford9156
Oswald saying he was a patsy doesn’t mean he was one.
@@Rohilla313 the Warren Commission saying there were only 3 shots does not mean there were”
@@Rohilla313 In this case it does
Very interesting and engaging interview. Thank you for sharing this on TH-cam.
I always thought she was dirty in this deal
Based on what rumors?
@@randyharris3175 how many people even today study Russian. she was friends with george de Mohrenschildt, she got Oswald his job. the rambler roger kreig said he saw Oswald get into. "that's mrs pain. don't bring her into this". she is just to close to everything
@@saralee9091 she explained why she studied Russian she explained why she called to get Oswald his job because of Marina we know Roger Craig was a.compulsive liar we know Oswald did not get in her station wagon he had a bus transfer in his pocket and they talked to the cab driver who dropped him off on Beckley
@sara lee excellent points you make! Anyone who has studied this event with an open mind can see that things don’t add up. The very fact that she was a blue blood yankee from up north, living in Jim Crow south, with connections to us intelligence, via her sister Sylvia in Falls Church, VA, and the Demohrenschildts, coupled with the fact she was learning Russian in a time where that was extremely uncommon, was visited by Col. JD Wilmuth who showed up at her door PRIOR to the Assassination to speak with Marina, the fact that she was later involved with PRO NICA in Nicaragua. She is ANYTHING but Susie Homemaker. Also her husbands connections/background alone are shady. The list goes on. But I’m sure it’s alllllll just a coincidence right? GTFOH!!!!
What we see on threads like this are sheeple. They are the aspirin popping, newspaper reading, flu shot taking, saps that have always been around! Conventional thinking is a virtue to them. ‘ Don’t ask questions and the authorities are there to help us...” 🙄
@@FightingRimbaud yea yea yea all that stuff you say is interesting no doubt only one problem its all bullshit
Fabulous interview!
Ruth Paine was married to Michael Paine the stepson of the engineer who started Bell Helicopter- JFK was pulling out of the Vietnam war, Bell was building Hueys as fast as they could to supply the War- there are no coincidences folks.
"In 1959 Michael Paine got a job with Bell Helicopter in Fort Worth, Texas[6] and the Paines moved into a house in the suburb of Irving (Michael Paine's step-father, Arthur M. Young, invented the Bell Helicopter). As liberals in Dallas, the Paines were isolated, and Ruth Paine was quite lonely".[4]
No there are not. Ruth is not who she was planted to be and remained undercover her whole life. How hilarious her husband was pulled out of her life
when she was set up with Oswald and then miraculously reappeared in her life for a number of years before a finale split. It’shameful how generations distantvfrom that travesty and horrible pain and grief of loosing Kennedy.
Exactly
Swell, what the hell has that got to do with the evidence in this case, which all points at Oswald?
@@mimigott5166 No evidence for this garbage.
36:42 "I've lost it"....hey, not bad for 87! Regarding the gun, Ruth says she didn't know about it, but Marina did. That means that Marina as well as Ozzy was concealing it from her. Which makes Marina complicit, especially as she was aware of Ozzy's attempt on Walker. Ruth was just an unwitting enabler; again not complicit, but it could not have happened without her. This may be part of the reason Marina later said she thought Ruth was complicit; i.e. it was easier for her to believe the conspiracy cranks than to face reality that Ozzy acted alone, and maybe Marina felt guilt over her indirect complicity.
58:13 Ruth actually pinpoints exactly when Ozzy decided to do it: Thursday morning, the 21st. She concludes this because had he decided it earlier he would have taken his gun from his rooming house then instead of having to return there after the assassination...unless he forgot it. Actually my take is that he had it in his mind then, which is why he went to Irving that night, but it was his final argument with Marina Thursday night that put him of the edge and that's when he decided for sure. Because had he patched things up with her that night he probably would have aborted. But of course there was a historical inevitability to the event; it wasn't him in a sense it was history, and whatever infinite mysterious forces behind it.
1:01:30 Ozzy said that JFK "was the best President in his lifetime". This jibes with Bugliosi who said it wasn't personal; it was an act against the US and the highest office of the US.
Well said..
Marina was a KGB agent, just like Oswald. Sounds crazy at first, but it is actually the only logical explanation and everything makes sense from this perspective 🇺🇸
@@kxkxkxkx It still sounds crazy.
@@aaronz7056 most things to do with the KGB sounds crazy until you learn their history ...
@@kxkxkxkx Neither Marina nor Oswald were KGB agents, that's silly fiction.
Interesting that she traveled down to Nicaragua many years after the assassination to be involved with the PRONICA movement. She’s not your average bear.
Some say she was CIA but ever since the assassination she sure has appeared in public and given speeches and interviews like this one, all of which goes against her being in the CIA.
They got very suspicious of her down there with her note taking and constant questions. She was cia, like lots of her family members
@@johnthomas3090 But then why is she so public about interviews and telling her story? There are so many long interviews with her on YT and it seems she speaks to a lot of groups.
@@FreddySherman cia misinformation
Keep the waters muddy
Imagine your just learn the president got killed, you barely process that when cops show up (you think they are bringing divorce papers) right after and ask about your houseguest’s husband and his gun. You adamantly say he’s got no gun only for his wife to jump in and say that he does. Then everyone goes to the garage and realize the gun is missing and it just dawns on you the calamity that just happened under your roof and the sh1tstorm that is coming. It must have been an innocent time. You just don’t take in houseguests today you barely know.
I still don’t understand how she got hooked up with Mirena Oswald. Just a stranger letting her and her kids stay with them she didn’t even know them prior. Maybe I’m thinking of things in todays terms. Maybe it was different back in the day. I’d never let a stranger stay with me.
Totally fishy.
Ruth wanted to improve her ability to speak Russian. Marina & Lee were charity cases. Ruth was a big hearted soul..
Maybe a liberal!
@@bobdecarlo7778Right, I just don’t understand being like “hey, we don’t know one another but come live with me.” Strange. I’m sure Mirena would have given her lessons for a little money considering they were so broke. Idk why I get the impression she REALLY liked Mirena.
INTERESTING THAT OL RUTH STATES THAT LEE REALLY LIKED WATCHING TELEVISION!...WHILE THE LADY THAT OWNED THE ROOMING HOUSE WHERE LEE STAYED AT IN OAK CLIFF STATED THAT LEE VERY SELDOM WATCHED T.V. AT HER PLACE!...AND FOR THE MOST PART STAYED IN HIS SMALL ROOM READING!
Love this interview
Lee and Marina Oswald had met Ruth Paine in February 1963 at a party in Dallas to which George de Mohrenschildt and his wife had brought them. I found that Ruth Paine was the wife of Michael Paine, an engineering designer who did highly classified work for Bell Helicopter, a major Defense Department contractor.
As a routine matter, I wanted to examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret. In addition to the Paines' income tax reports, Commission documents 212, relating to Ruth Paine, and 218, relating to Michael Paine, also had been classified as secret on grounds of national security.
@@saukrates420 People's tax records are not public domain property.
@@aaronz7056really? That doesnt seem to be the case nowadays.
@@janetphillips2875 You'[re the same person who literally just asked me under another thread, "How old are you? You must be ten feet tall and bulletproof. I'm 58. How old are you?"... and then clammed up when I asked you what the heck has that got to do with anything...
I"m suprised she's still alive
Why?
Hilary Clinton doesn’t know where she lives 🤷♂️
For somebody who allegedly was part of a "conspiracy", she was "allowed" to live a long life. Strange.
@@victorcarrillo1570 there’s an old saying - the devil looks after his own!!!
So is she
What was her primary reason for wanting to learn Russian?
What I read: Learning Russian was her attempt to bring the nations peacefully together during the cold war.
She also organized a students exchange between Russia and the USA.
She is a liar. She already spoke fluent Russian
“A conversation with an older generation of CIA.”
I totally dismissed all conspiracy theories years ago. Then I watched this interview. This articulate, well mannered woman had no business being with the likes of Lee Oswald in 1963. I find it odd.
65 TossPowerTrap
She's very unemotional and cold. And her finding the whole thing funny is very disturbing.
@@TheListOf She's crying when she's talking about it, so many years later. I don't understand why you find her cold?
65 TossPowerTrap SHES A SPOOK A CIA HANDLER.. & A PROFESSIONAL MANIPULATOR.. She Actually Slips & Starts to mention she was working for the state Department... QUAKER MY LILLY WHITE ASS.. & YEP SHE IN IT UP TO HER NECK.. fuckinlier
Adrian Messenger good point. Well she’s a CIA Handler .. none of this was coincidence I PROMISE
London Underground she keeps laughing
She has to bust up Sen. Russell, who was skeptical through the whole process. Why?
Watch from 15:25 for about a minute - seems like he somehow caught her off guard - almost as if she wanted the conversation to go a different way ?..... She seems flustered and "off-script" - perhaps she is lying ? He asked her about arrangements for Oswald visiting "with the family" - she seems confused about this but definitely wants to talk about how he got the job at the TSBD - she helped plant him there, so the patsy could complete his sheep-dipping. And at 16:15 we're back in the room and back to the "official" story.....
Great catch!
Intriguing woman, if there was a better interviewer this would have been a good interview. He missed the mark on this
OMG she’s clearly lying, she is totally saying the commission was thorough 😅, yea ok CIA AGANT PAINE
Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator, secret agent, and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
Cold blooded. Classic case of stonewalling.
The only one we know who got asked 5,000 questions, There were over 500 witnesses for the Warren Commission, and the average number of questions asked for each witness was less than 300... Hummmmm?
If you think Payne is Strange, read up on George de Mohrenschildt as Jim Garrison said he called the people around Oswald his handlers, always knowing what he's doing keeping tabs on him.
Garrison was a shill and a disgusting foul person.
I'd recommend Jim Garrison's 1967 Playboy interview. It's an excellent read, his book On The Trail of the Assassins I also recommend.
@@rustyshackelford9156 ---Exactly!
superchitownhustler Was a complete nut job Garrison .
@@rustyshackelford9156 Garrison was a fraud, a demonstrable liar and notorious in his time as a complete disgrace to his profession.
Interesting that you have a conversation with somebody who was inexorably linked to being a part of the operation that killed John Kennedy. At 1 minute and 15 seconds into this video she's claiming that she wanted to learn the Russian language from marina. She taught the Russian language just few years before that. She was fully fluent in the Russian language. That's just one of the items that you need to know about Ruth Paine.
It's amazing to see a full industry has grown up around the absolute fiction of the Warren Commission findings when the Warren Commission was commissioned precisely to determine that there was a single shooter who acted alone. And they did their job they found that a single shooter acted alone. That has nothing to do with finding the truth. They did what they were told to do. Read their commissioning documents. I can prove to you that the rifle in the backyard photograph and the rifle that Alec hydel ordered and was delivered is a different rifle than the one found in the Texas School Book Depository building which wasn't turned into the Texas School Book Depository until just a few months before the incident in November of 1963. It was set up as a cover in the first place. It was actually called the Sextant building or something to that effect. And not only did Ruth Payne and her husband work for Bell helicopter, they also had a connection to George Herbert Walker Bush who ran Zapata oil which was a CIA front for operations in the Caribbean. They were all connected to the CIA and the CIA has several years ago shown that Lee Harvey Oswald, worked for the CIA. Another interesting clue to things that have happened, is that the Executive Vice president, the number two men at Zapata oil, was John Hinckley senior the father of the man that tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan.
How gullible these people are to believe these things, I'm not generally a studier of body language but watch the body language in that interview with Ruth Payne at the beginning of this video. That woman is lying to you every time she opens her mouth. She was even seen picking up Lee Harvey Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository building on the day of the assassination. And there would have been no reason for the officer who saw it happen to have lied about it. The problem about that was, Oswald was supposed to take a designated route back to his place and even Oswald was smarter than that. On top of that Oswald also could not have been the one who shot JD Tippett. JD Tippett was shot at about 1:06 and the police didn't get there till about 1:22 and yet there was a neighbor who went out after the gunshots and looked at the scene and saw that there were other police officers at the scene immediately after the shooting. Makes you wonder who shot JD Tippett.
The Man Who Saw Oswald sneak into the Texas theater was at a place he could not have seen that happen. Not only that, there was a second person who was arrested at the theater a few minutes after Oswald was taken out by the police. And they never not once did they ever tie firearm that they claimed was his to Lee Oswald. The backyard photograph has been proven to be a fake just as Oswald said he was because Oswald was a photographic expert. That's the job he did in the military under the Umbrella of the naval intelligence for the CIA photos coming out of the U2 Aircraft.
Furthermore a man that was in the Marines with him, Roscoe white, was placed by Naval Intelligence on the Dallas PD in October or September of 1963 and was left there long enough to make sure that witnesses that saw things they weren't supposed to see were eliminated. And that is consistent with documentation that his son found in the 1980s that he had tried to hide in his belongings.
Lee Oswald never defected to the Soviet union. That is a long drawn out Affair which requires a lot of paperwork that he never even started. He was sent to the Soviet Union by Naval intelligence and the CIA.
There's an awful lot about the Paines that I can go into but it's incumbent upon others to start looking into their background and how much they're connected to all of this.
Ask Mrs Payne why she lives in a tiny little Bungalow in Dallas when they had 200,000 plus dollars in the bank at the time or somewhere around there. And they were constantly moving around the country usually close to where other players in this incident were. And Lee Oswald worked at the Texas School Book Depository for a $1.26 an hour I believe, about $2,600 a year and yet he had $3,000 worth of camera equipment? But she sits here in this interview even here and continues the lie that she didn't know russian. She was teaching Russian 1958 or 1959 in Pennsylvania. She was an instructor in Russian. Maybe she doesn't realize the people have already found out much of her background when she's doing this video maybe just a couple of years ago? How stupid does she think people are. Well there are still people who believe the Warren Commission report. So I guess people can still suffer either cognitive dissonance, or extreme stupidity.
Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW and present your ironclad evidence Ruth Paine is a conspirator and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue your ass for libel. The rest of your comment is packed with lies.
This video should have been called the 9 months of Ruth Paines life before Oswald shot Kennedy.
Ms. Payne is probably the most important witness of Oswald in Dallas, etc.
How? She wasn't in dealey Plaza at the time of the murder?
That is by design.
Yes, and her immediate conclusion was that Oswald acted alone, just like Marina.
I heard she was a CIA plant. Her and her hubby or male partner.
She is a plant. She already taught Russian elsewhere. Her ex also looked just like Oswald and was likely the one who modified the fake photos of Oswald. That's why she testified and given most time as a witness. That was her goal.
Ruth Paine. Hiding in plain view.
100%. Nobody can talk longer and say less than Ruth pain as you say hiding in plain view and I’m writing this before listening and watching this entire interview, but something tells me this guy’s not gonna be the one to pressure in anyway.
"troutaholic8834." Raving loony.
@@naysayer1238 Deep State always discredits folks as nuts that speak the truth. From unidentified flying objects to CIA sponsored Coups. Speaking truth gets you labeled. First they ignore you , thinking you will just go away with all of life’s burdens everyday. The more you speak out they go to phase two and label you a nut.
Few things I took away from this.
▫️There were times where she was speaking about LHO quite fondly and almost had to remind herself he’s meant to be the ‘bad guy’.
▫️Given the tensions of the Cold War she seemed awfully at ease to house a Russian defector and his wife at her home and deal with the FBI like it was the milkman asking for money.
▫️The fact that not only JFK conspiracy researchers think she has CIA links but the Nicaraguans did too! 😂
▫️Her bemusement of Garrison’s chalk board describing the CIA training people in swamps which then drew laughter from the Ruth Paine fan club in the audience. I’d expect confusion to occur for her if Garrison had chalk board diagrams of the CIA training people how to play Twister; but given what we know about clandestine CIA involvement overseas I’m struggling to understand why training people in swamps drew the hilarity it did.
All in all, an entertaining interview but would I trust her - nope.
Right on. She plays innocent and being a loving person to Marina. Makes me wonder if she was on the CIA payroll at least to foot her grocery bills to feed the Oswalds. Most average people can not afford this even now.
Plus she does not have all the facts about how many sniper nest there were from grassy knoll, picket France area, and sewer line covers,
Lee actually was a very good person in his heart. He had to learn the hard way how wicked politics actually is and how they operate.
Karin, Lee was a nice guy? He hit his wife 🤔 Not to mention shot Kennedy
@@karinhopkins6158 Lee Oswald was a communist revolutionary fighter and KGB spy ☝️
He was recruited by the KGB in Japan and trained in Russia and given a KGB wife 🇺🇸
Oswald's IRS return for those years is still not released. It is considered "top secret". WHY??????
Probably because he reported his payments from the FBI.
yes it was. Oswald tax returns were released by Marina. you seem to be wrong about alot
@@johnmongoose5211 nope.
Bored, travelling across the country. It was encouraged by The State Department. 2 year old with her. And who are her parents?
BTW: You can tell that this poor lady is tormented by the fact that she unwittingly played an indirect, but significant, role in the assassination of JFK. Well, either that or she’s a superb actor . What a string of incredible coincidences!
Maybe a bit of both 🤔
Its a pretty direct role she played
This lady was very unfortunate. A nice person who would help anybody struggling. That’s blatantly clear. Conspiracy nuts jog on 👋
@@Paul5520 Not everyone is tarded.
@@Paul5520 no. She was employed by the CIA. It’s documented. She set Lee up at the Depository and manufactured evidence from the garage. She’s worked extensively in South America for the agency. Her parents had agency connections. She helped to murder the President, but hey, she’s a nice Quaker. Do your homework.
the most important thing of all would have been a Q and A
They sort of had that but with the museum curator cherry picking questions which pretty much defeats the purpose.
@@rustyshackelford9156 had to spoon feed her
Some talk about "what about Television?" would be very much necessary.
Only rich people had a television back then but of course times were changing too.
I noticed that... please the questions were thought about, written down and ready before the interview started
Ms. Pain commented that she called the TSBD to inquire about getting a job for Lee and was told to have him come by and fill out application. However, in the interview with Buell Fraizer, he said he spoke directly to his supervisor and was told to have Lee come by and fill out an application. I guess both could have happened
@Hillbilly Cat: Still don't see even the barest whiff of conspiracy there.
@@stddisclaimer8020 i didn't say there was a conspiracy, just noting that the two stories don't match.
@@giraffesareselfish9563 Frazier had found work at the TSBD, and mentioned to his sister, Linnie Mae Randle that they had other openings too. The subject of Oswald's unemployment came up during a coffee klatch attended by Linne Mae, Ruth, Marina and a neighbor, Dorothy Roberts. Marina asked Ruth if she would call the TSBD, which she did. Whereupon, Lee stopped by and filled out an application.
Frazier is probably not lying, just honestly mistaken. Buell had been divergent in some of his other interviews (memory fade?), but Paine has always been consistent.
You know Ruth’s ex-husband was in the CIA.
@@scottsimpson1143 Assuming that Paine's ex-husband "was in the CIA," the argument goes no further than that. So? However, when it becomes clear that Michael Paine worked for Bell Helicopter, NOT the CIA, it also becomes clear that you're a greater fool than first thought.
Ruth Paine has a connection with de Mohrenschilt ; that specks volumes!. People do your research!. Ruth plays her part well!
Enlighten us. Where and how did she work for the CIA?
You know, if you could spell simple words correctly we might take you more seriously.
Kieran
I know. It’s funny how you can never get a conspiracy theorist to elaborate beyond the simple point they blather out in conversation. It’s like they don’t want to even discuss the crazy claims they make!
She's still very sharp!
@Rebecca Pardue:FBI agents James F. Sibert and Francis X. O'Neill attended the autopsy of John Kennedy and submitted a report, part of which follows:
"During the latter stages of the autopsy, Dr. Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle of the spinal column.
This opening was probed by Dr. Humes with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger".
Sibert and O'Neill state "...a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right..." Again we face the same problem: where do Sibert and O'Neill start the shoulder? Oddly, they don't list a measurement indicating how far below the "shoulders" that hole was located. This testimony fails to provide a specific anatomic point of orientation. This, along with the FBI agent's ack of forensic accreditation, render their early, awkward guesses meaningless.
No! They are telling you in Plain English The Magic Bullet Never Happened. Did not penetrate out JFK's neck from the Doctors that were there.
@@vernpascal1531 The true "magic bullet" is the one that conspiracists can never explain...the one that hit JFK but magically never hit Connally, never hit the driver, never tore up the limo; it just disappeared, never to be found, vanishing into thin air!
Attn. conspiracy believers! Where's your "magic bullet"?
@@stddisclaimer8020 How does anyone know the truth when there was so much left out and cover up? Why so many
Ida Doc drawings instead of actual quality pictures in the autopsy?? How can you trust anything? No matter what the issue. They created so much doubt and confusion themselves, from the evidence found, to the handeling of the body to keeping quardened off to fully search. They wash and clean out the limo and ASAP and then completly restore it. They tainted critical evidence. The police don't even search the area very well, people finding fragments in the gutter. To finding a skull fragment by the college student 5pm next day!! found the Harper skull fragment in the grass the next day, then they loose it!!! So that evidence was lost was a critical piece of evidence! Allow traffic and people to resume very quickly after? They reported different guns found, I believe they found more than one, reported on the news sourced from the police, they miss reported the gun, and the floor and they found the gun.
A manager just had a Mauser and a rifle he just purchased on his lunch hour in the office showing it off 2 days prior, we'd, nov20.
What happened to the first shot that missed and hit the curb? They never found that bullet, so did it not happen? They never found umbrella man till they looked for him in 1978? His neighbor turned him in and he did not volunteer. Did not bring the same umbrella! one of the closest people to the scene, but he saw nothing? I do not believe his story. He just went back to work, never saying a word about the assassination he just witnessed!!! Hard to believe!!
they picked and choose who will be a witness even telling John Connally, who spent his life in the Navy, Kennedy's Secretary of the Navy. An avid hunter, a Texas boy so you know he had guns, was by Johnson's convincing appointed Secretary of the Navy, mistaken? He was wrong in what he felt hit his body and the sounds he heard?
@@shernitadee Your first statement is based on something neither you nor anyone else can prove; namely that there was a "coverup." Then you go on to recirculate factoids you've culled from dark-webbed conspiracy sites. The limo was NOT immediately "washed." That's pure BS. It was duly analyzed, photographed and examined to the nines before being put back in service in 1964. No skull fragments were ever found, that day, nor on any subsequent days, that go against Oswald-alone. We know Oswald's 1st shot missed because it ricocheted off the metal arm of a traffic signal. The bullet was not found, and it would be a miracle if it were. Sorry pallie, there's no mystery there. The Umbrella Man (aka Louis Witt) did not immediately realize he was the subject of so many silly conspiracy theories until years later. But his testimony before the HSCA puts the theories to rest. There's no there, there.
@@stddisclaimer8020 The limo was washed with buckets. Not kept in storage, quickly refurbished, even changing the color.
There was bone found, it was on the news back then. The Harper Fragment found by a college student the next day. A fragment from the back of the head on the grass of Dealey Plaza, lost, like his brain?? Too weird. Without that piece and only working with terrible pictures, the HSCA could not study the wound very well.
And what was with the other guns found. These "professionals " one even had a gun shop could not properly identify a gun?? Because they found more than one!
photos showing the rifle in Lt. Day's possession seems to heighten the controversy concerning the ammunition clip and the identification of the rifle. Dallas Police Department pictures show Lt. Day dusting a rifle for prints while in the Texas School Book Depository. The photograph shows that the rifle has no ammunition clip. However, another picture of Lt. Day carrying the rifle from the Depository shows a rifle with an ammunition clip "clearly visible protruding from the bottom of the magazine of the rifle." This photo also shows a rifle with sling swivels mounted on the left side of the weapon, "while CE 746 B (a Warren Commission enlargement of CE 133A, which is a photo of Oswald with rifle) clearly shows that Oswald's rifle had the sling swivels on the bottom. The rifle that Lt. Day is carrying simply is not Oswald's rifle." [24]
On the afternoon of the shooting, KBOX, a Dallas television station, broadcast that "a rifle has been found in a staircase on the fifth floor ... Sheriff's deputies identify the weapon as a 7.65 Mauser ... " [25] To add to the confusion WBAP-TV reported that a British Enfield 303 had been found in the Depository. [26]
Dallas police officer Lt. Day took the rifle to police headquarters on Friday afternoon and dictated a detailed report of the weapon's description to his secretary, but the report was never included in the Commission's exhibits. [27] Later that night at a televised press conference, Dallas District Attorney Wade declared that the rifle found in the Depository was a 7.65 German Mauser. [28] Lt. Day released the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle to the FBI at 11:45 p.m., November 22, 1963.
The CIA produced a document on the 25th of November 1963 that created more confusion by declaring " ... employed in this criminal attack is a Model 91 rifle, 7.35 caliber, 1938 modification ... the description of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in the Italian and foreign press is in error. It was a Mauser." [29] Oswald told his inquisitors that he had seen a Mauser in the Texas School Book Depository. On November 20th, Warren Carter, an employee of Southwestern Publishing Company that occupied part of the second floor in the Depository, brought a Mauser rifle and a .22 calibre rifle for his fellow employees to look at, a fact that was verified by numerous Depository employees. [30
If maybe it was really Marina who had asked Ruth to phone the book depository and also Marina who told Oswald that he was all set up for a job interview then that tends to sound like the doings of a smalltime in Texas...?
Buell Fraizer said he spoke directly with his supervisor and got Oswald the job interview.
Lee said, more than once,
that he was 'just a patsy'!!!!!
@@wallacebell4311 He indeed only says he was a patsy in relation to him being hassled by The Man for once having lived in Russia, not because he figured he was being set up by a sprawling conspiracy to assassinate the President and overthrow the government.
@@wallacebell4311 I have been laying that point on these boards for years now. You are the first I've seen that picked up on it. He also says "I don't know what this is all about". Then comes the patsy declaration. So, whatever it is about, he is a patsy for it.
@@giraffesareselfish9563 No he didn't
so what about this:
It was Ruth Paine who had arranged to drive Lee Harvey Oswald’s family from New Orleans to the Dallas area.
It was Ruth Paine who had timely managed Oswald to get a job in the Texas Book Depository Building which turned out to be situated on the Presidential motorcade route of November 22, 1963.
It was Ruth Paine who failed to advise Oswald that a better paying job was available to him than the one to which she had arranged to get for him at the Texas Book Depository Building.
It was in Ruth Paine’s garage where the rifle was supposedly stored that allegedly belonged to Oswald and was asserted to have been used by Oswald to kill Kennedy.
It was in Ruth Paine’s garage in which other incriminating evidence against Oswald was reported to have been stored.
It was the role of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine, both of whom purported to be committed to civil liberties, to join the authorities in designating Oswald as the assassin without his having had been offered even a suggestion of due process before he was conveniently killed while in police custody.
hmmmmm what about all that? how's this woman so front' n center in all of this, just seems weird, in so many ways actually....
So what about this: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
One thing I find interesting is when Ruth Paine called and Marguerite Oswald answered and would not allow Ruth to speak to Marina and said they could not be concerned with what Lee wanted. Why was Marguerite behaving like that?
She was a self centered pathetic POS.
@@wallacebell4311 Where did you acquire your knowledge of Marguerite?
Marguerite Oswald was a very obnoxious woman who self-pitied all her life. If you read any of these LHO related books and you hear the testimony of the many, many folks who interracted with her you will get your answer. Very strong personality and highly intelligent. Not user-friendly by any means. Also, very jealous nature.
Ms Hyde -Paine clearly struggling to keep the narrative alive and story straight. She was most definitely a handler.
"When the authorities came to her house with a search warrant, Mrs. Paine did what every red blooded American housewife would have done, she went shopping while the cops rooted through her garage and bedroom.
If Mrs. Paine was subjected to the same justice that the Military Tribunal dished out to those who assisted John W. Booth in his flight from Ford’s Theater after shooting President Lincoln, she would have been hanged whether she was part of the conspiracy or not. Indeed, as Philadelphia attorney Vincent Salandria has said, if there was true justice in this case, Ruth and Michael Paine would be indicted rather than treated as victims, and truth, if not justice, will be better served?. - Thomas Mallon’s “Mrs. Paine’s Garage.”
Here is the root of the conspiracy = Ruth was taught Russain by LILLIAN ZAPRUDER those 2 knew each other and what lead me this way was that Mrs. Sitzman walked back to the Pergola and made sure that Erwin and Robert got away. Then I saw a video on YT of Zaps Gran daughter Alex doing a promo for 26 seconds in Dallas and she did what Abe said not to do ---- She showed the first part of the Zap film of them at home ---- Lillian Zapruder is the Babushka Lady. Zap was not just a nice loving dad He was involved with the Jewish Bingo Society. Jade do you see that they kept calling the rifle a Mauser until Buddy got back from Ruths Garage. What Roger Craig saw was a 1891 Argentine 7.65 Mauser sports mod. to a 30-06. They had them at the nearby gun shop in a garbage can with a sign 25 bucks. Now look that rifle up on Google Images.
Or maybe it's that her story (just like everyone else's story that day, once fact is separated from fiction) does not fit your conspiracy narrative, so you have to twist everything around to make it. Ruth's involved, Marina's involved, the Dallas police, the CIA, LBJ, the mafia, your own mama. Do you realize how deranged you sound? I don't personally care if you want to be a conspiracy nut, but when your fantasies involve impugning someone's good name it becomes a problem. You should have compassion for this woman, who obviously had no involvement and clearly still lives so much with this tragedy, rather than hurling baseless insinuations and vagaries. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is a case of Mrs. Payne re-writing her history of this period in her life to divert interest away from all the suspicious activities in which she was involved. Mrs. Payne was a radical and an active member of the Russian community in Dallas. Ask yourself why she had an urge to study Russian. As a whim? There are so much more interesting facts concerning this lady; facts fleshed out in many books and the Commission Report but rarely discussed. She knows much more than she wants to say. Look up George de Mohrenschildt, very big in the Russian community, and read about his connections to Lee and you'll discover that he felt very highly of Mrs. Payne. You don't get to critcize those who disagree with the assassination narative unless you're read and understand facts abou George de Mohrenschildt and other key players in this history changing event. Roger Craig's story of what happened that day in Dallas is one that is hard to sweep under the rug. Was there a conspiracy? I can't say for sure but many strange things happened that day in Dallas. Conveniently, the person who knew the most was assassinated two days later.
@@timjbolchoz What takes the cookie is what is Ruth doing wearing a trench coat and a scarf walking up the steps and then she exits up Main st. Lillian Zap is the babushka lady and exits up Elm. Some one has been trying to tell me that this stuff does not matter? Both of these two are involved ? How can anyone explain away clear photos of them. I have no proof but maybe Tippit was the officer who responded to the call on the 20th of two men pointing guns at cars on Elm. If so he had to go because he could identify Warren Caster! P.S. Ruby knew Erwin Schwartz , that is how he came across Beverly Oliver . Photos paints a thousand words. When you see all of the people running up the steps they are going into the Pergola not behind the wooden fence. The worst cop there was Buddy Walthers = one man army he found Ozwarts wallet 3 times.
@@timjbolchoz That's right! And notice she's wearing a pink shirt beneath a black blouse...obviously a secret signal to Deep State operatives to begin the next wave of infiltration, and perhaps another assassination. You and me, Sean, we get it! It's all so clear, man.
But all in all...what ever that means...she does seem like a nice lady....and not an oddball.
What a sick country the USA is and glad I live in Europe. Oswald was in the lunch room at the time buying a 5 cent coke and has 3 witnesses to prove it
Nonsense, there are no witnesses to Oswald being inside when the shots were fired.
And there were no TSBD employees outside who saw Oswald.
Oswald left the scene, never asked anyone what had happened, never asked his landlady how the president was when he got home....an astonishing fact.
He then shot a cop and attempted to shoot other DPD in the Theatre....he owned both murder weapons......and there are 50 + more points of guilt. I think you need to read up on the case.
Fred Litwin
Peter Knight
Mel Ayton
John McAdams
Blog of David von Pein
Would be good places to start...
@@patrickcollins7407 Three people came forward. All three started he was in the lunch room at the time. You seem to have an agenda. Let is hope you are also not mentally ill too, as many people have tried on the single bullet theory
@@teenherofilms No they did not. Carolyne Arnold said she saw Oswald around 12:25.....she was wrong, his co workers said he was downstairs anytime between approx 1145 and 1215.
You are ill informed. I dip in and out of here for research purposes for a book on the case - mainly ref the amount of ignorance there is on the subject from CTers like you!
I have no agenda other than research.
I interviewed Harold Norman and Jnr Jarmen in 1983.....they left Oswald on the 6th floor around 12:05 they thought. They did not see him in the lunch room.
Oswald lied that he saw those guys in the lunch room, they were outside then went back up to the 5th floor where B. R Williams joined them.
Your sources are obviously poor.
Just read some decent material:
Peter Knight
Mel Ayton
Fred Litwin
John McAdams
Jean Davison
The above are excellent......if you just use the web.....you are just going to be duped.
SBT - you mean the SB Fact.
Give me an alternative - post it here....
Explain ovoid entry to JC and the lack of bullet wipe....?
Google Chad Zimmerman JFK bullet wounds. He is THE authority on the SBT along with Dale Myers and Larry Sturdivan, people no doubt you have never heard of....(?)....
@@teenherofilms Their is no single bullet because the a Governor said he heard a shot, well if that is the magic bullet he should have been hit already because when you watch the Zappruder film the President is grabbing his throat after coming from behind the street sign and a bullet travels at least 2000 feet per second and the Governor said that he turned after hearing the shot and saw nothing then when he turned back to face the front is when he was hit, you can see it for your self on the Zappruder film. That took about an extra second and a half, so those were two different shots from 2 different guns because Oswald could not have reloaded and aimed and shot in a second and a half. So now we have at least 2 shooters and more than likely 3 or 4, because Oswald's best shot was before Elm Street. That is probably why the Zappruder film was not shown to the public until 1975. If you want a good web just log into ( JFK Murder solved. Com). And let me know how you did.
@@gargould7186 Two shooters? Show me some ballistic evidence. Oswald's best shot is before Elm? Sure let's hang out the window and expose our position to the world. You obviously have zero experience with fire arms. For Oswald to acquire a target at that angle is virtually impossible give the short block of the turn on Huston Street... And *Zapruder* is spelled with only one *g.*
Ruth, you can see your daughter down beside you at 37:53