November 24, 1963 - Interview with Michael Paine, acquaintance of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald

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  • @rongenung
    @rongenung หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Michael Paine was far stranger than Lee Oswald. He and his exwife Ruth were Oswald's handlers and their part in the plot has yet to be exposed to the public.

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will guess that you are correct. It seems Lee was surrounded with scum.

    • @Ilsimeone
      @Ilsimeone หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If Oswald had a handler, it wasn't the Paines, but rather George de Mohrenschildt, as Ion Mihai Pacepa wrote.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's a lie -- total nonsense. Ruth Paine is a kind-hearted woman who helped Oswald and his wife. Ruth Paine didn't "handle" him in any way. You don't what you're talking about.

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@FrankCoffman Do some honest research is all I can tell ya

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ilsimeone Yeah I do believe George was his handler but the Paine's were following orders

  • @vgsplyr7
    @vgsplyr7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    He sure has a strong resemblance to Oswald.

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He looks like The Nazi Joseph Goerbels

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I noticed the same thing.

    • @leeoliver424
      @leeoliver424 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So what’s your point?

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vgsplyr7 I think he looks like Joseph Goerbels

    • @fermisparadox01
      @fermisparadox01 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mannerisms too.

  • @craft-o-matic399
    @craft-o-matic399 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    He looks, sounds, and has the same facial expressions as Oswald. Interesting. Paine sounds very well rehearsed.

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It would be difficult to tell the difference between Oswald and this man in a tense situation.

    • @craft-o-matic399
      @craft-o-matic399 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @douglasdixon524 Most definitely.

    • @luckyben67
      @luckyben67 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He looks like Lee! Remember on that day, there was two other lees that look like him. This was the plot.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@luckyben67 4 witnesses said they saw a Lee Oswald lookalike coming down the knoll and getting into a Nash Rambler. Craig was only one of them. One woman said, "If it wasn't Lee Oswald, it was his twin."

  • @arcanondrum6543
    @arcanondrum6543 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    While the building was decades old, the Texas School Book Depository itself was founded in 1963, its owner's name is presently unavailable to me but I recall that he was connected to either Michael and Ruth Paine or to George de Mohrenschildt (another"friend"/handler of Oswald).

    • @penguin1924
      @penguin1924 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The owner was David Harold Byrd, a Texas oil man and co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow หลายเดือนก่อน

      Book depository function moved from Dal-Tex building to across the street where it was on Nov. 22. Moved in April 1963 once HL Hunt oil baron owned Dal-Tex and DH Byrd, owner of Nov 22 book depository, learned JFK was coming to town, Shooting planned for coming from Dal-Tex, but passed in front of Byrd book depository so people would think shots came from this "Oswald" building. Total scam full of magic tricks. Oswald was on second floor of Nov 22 book depository, having a Coke, when JFK shot. Oswald was told it was a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba. All Oswald had to do was put on his Castro act and flee from the theater via CIA driver to the CIA retirement paradise.

    • @dab.
      @dab. หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@penguin1924 Byrd owned the building, not the company.

    • @arcanondrum6543
      @arcanondrum6543 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      While Byrd may or may not have owned the company, his connection to the Civil Air Patrol is significant because Oswald had joined the Civil Air Patrol before he joined the Marines and the Chapter's (perhaps only) licensed Pilot was David Ferry. David Ferry was homosexuall. I have most definitely seen a photograph of Dave Ferry, Lee Oswald and other young men purportedly all while members of the Civil Air Patrol. For those unaware, Civil Air Patrol chapters exist to this day around the country. They are for young people who are interested in becoming pilots and the CAP often participates in searches, such as for lost hikers : One experienced pilot, CAP passengers looking for the missing person.
      Oswald was boyish looking and attractive, Dave Ferry claimed however that he "didn't know Oswald". Everyone familiar with Stone's movie knows that Joe Pesci portrayed Ferry (by the way; John Candy's portrayal? Spot on). Ferry would have been useful if you wanted to leave town in 1963, without being seen.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcanondrum6543 The guy in CAP was the American Oswald, who was also homosexual. The Hungarian Oswald, fed to Jack Ruby ultimately, was heterosexual. Notice Nov. 21 Ferry was at a skating rink in Houston, waiting next to a phone. The building was next to the airport. He was probably on standby, ready to bring operators to Texas if any last-minute needs arose. D.H. Byrd was a big pal of LBJ and could fly into the ranch any time he wanted. Byrd was also a pal of Curtis LeMay, from whom he got a certificate of appreciation.

  • @bertilknudsen
    @bertilknudsen หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    If LHO «wanted to make a mark on society», how come he said he was just a patsy?

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Exactly.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Exactly, it was like he wasn't bragging, just the opposite, as if he knew he was set-up, There's no way Oswald hit the president with that fatal headshot. No way.

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 He didn't fire a weapon at all.

    • @dab.
      @dab. หลายเดือนก่อน

      He said he was a patsy because he had lived in the Soviet Union, not because he was a part of any conspiracy.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@dab. He said it, because he was set up. I think he was about to spill the beans. Just like ruby did to Dorothy kilgallen. They all died mysteriously too.

  • @b.abrackus6403
    @b.abrackus6403 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Evil

  • @davidhenschel1990
    @davidhenschel1990 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Mr. Paine was never filmed again after this. This was less than 24 hours after Oswald died. Videocassette recording became commonplace fifteen years later, but no one used that technology to capture Mr. Paine talking. Yet his wife Ruth was filmed in 1963 and decades later was captured on video many times. Michael Paine lived until 2018, and this rehearsed conversation is all that survives? His Warren Commission testimony was rehearsed, not recorded electronically, and therefore has little value.

    • @Fortaguada
      @Fortaguada หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He appears in the recent Ruth Paine documentary just before he died.

    • @kathrynfauble9053
      @kathrynfauble9053 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Fortaguada That is awesome that a documentary filmmaker captured Michael Paine talking shortly before his 2018 passing.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, he was filmed several times even in Ruth Paine's home after they were divorced. In a very late video before his death, he even admitted half heartedly there could have been a 2nd shooter. Michael was not as polished as Ruth. But then when you have to lie about the gun, and how you came to know the Oswalds, you have to be polished. Ruth was the perfect CIA asset. But Michael's family (the Forbes) owned a private island in which the family summered at. Alan Dulles had a mistress who was very good friends with Michael's mom. They were very connected.

  • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
    @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    He looks like he could be Oswald's twin. That might be a clue right there.

  • @bookofrevelation4924
    @bookofrevelation4924 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Why is this man speaking as if it's proven by then that Oswald did it?
    Why isn't he reserving judgment until proven at a trial?

    • @cjay2
      @cjay2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Because the whole thing was meant to be hidden forever.

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Amen to That

    • @PaulHenreid
      @PaulHenreid 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because the Paines were a key component of the CIA conspiracy to frame Oswald.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Even Cronkite was parroting the same "3 shots" nonsense within minutes of the Assassination. The response was well orchestrated. And once they hijacked the body and the Limo, they knew they could say anything and people would believe it. That is why they are the CIA. They are good at misdirection. The Warren Report was 26 volumes of misdirection.

  • @mobyjoe1
    @mobyjoe1 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    This guy looks like he's been trained by the alphabet agency called the CIA.

    • @cjay2
      @cjay2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And what exactly does this look look like? 😂

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      What a stupid remark --- typical of conspiracy wackos.

    • @mobyjoe1
      @mobyjoe1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @FrankCoffman says the guy who still believes the Warren commission's lone gunman theory.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mobyjoe1 ~ says a guy who doesn't know the evidence and who sees CIA agents everywhere

  • @poiuytre11111
    @poiuytre11111 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    he is the second Oswald

  • @userprecisealt4136
    @userprecisealt4136 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Devil's Chessboard anyone?

  • @harleylawdude
    @harleylawdude 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Payne looks like Oswald

  • @GeraldMantel
    @GeraldMantel หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    He and his wife were part of the plot, period.

    • @spankflaps1365
      @spankflaps1365 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He literally just said he spoke to Oswald 3 times.
      No grand conspiracy could work with so little communication.

    • @FOTAP97
      @FOTAP97 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      “Just following orders…”

    • @paulaccorsini1228
      @paulaccorsini1228 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Why did Ruth Paine have such an interest in Marina Oswald?

    • @GeraldMantel
      @GeraldMantel หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @paulaccorsini1228 Part of the process of setting up Lee for the assassination.

    • @harleylawdude
      @harleylawdude หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulaccorsini1228Lesbian tapes were found

  • @Fortaguada
    @Fortaguada หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If ever there was a LHO impersonator out there, he is a good candidate.

  • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
    @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    He has a guilty look in his eyes, doesn't he, body language, those looks and glances. He looks so uncomfortable. Wasn't he CIA or something?

    • @adamredfield
      @adamredfield หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Michael Paine's father in law worked for a while at the Agency for International Development. That's all.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @adamredfield he seems very uncommunicative about questioned on Cuba though here doesn't he, considering he was so persuasive and adamant Oswald was a lone communist who never communicated with anybody. How convenient.

    • @bookofrevelation4924
      @bookofrevelation4924 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      How can any testimony from anyone about a dead person be believed without written or recorded evidence to verify?

    • @adamredfield
      @adamredfield หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 He said he wasn't well versed in Cuban communism. One thing I miss about 1963 is people were more self-aware and careful when they spoke in public.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bookofrevelation4924 he knew him better than most, but let's us all think he was a lost cause and loner, communist. His wife got him a job weeks before the motorcade procession went through, didn't they even change it so it was directly below the TSBD window? Strange 🤔

  • @deelynn8611
    @deelynn8611 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Look at the bottom half of his face. He has to be oswalds brother or close relative. Exact match.

  • @FratBoySummer
    @FratBoySummer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Last minute to minute and a half is very telling.

  • @jackieow
    @jackieow หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Michael Paine and his mother were good friends of Allen Dulles. They hosted Dulles many summers at their country home back East. For the JFK assassination, he and Ruth Paine pretended to split up. That was just for show, they got together right after Nov. 1963. When Oswald was on the run and not caught yet, Mike discussed Oswald with his wife Ruth over the phone, referring to Oswald's "guilt" and how Oswald and others wouldn't really know what was going on with Oswald. Michael Paine was at work at Bell Helicopter, depending on the Vietnam War for big contracts, when he heard over the radio Oswald had been captured. He yelled out "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" Oswald was supposed to continue the bus to the Gloco gas station in Oak Cliff where Tippit was waiting to take him to the movie theater. Oswald deviated for the gun from he bus because he thought JFK was going to be scared into invading Cuba, not killed, and he worried about reports of blood on JFK's head.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's lie. You have no clue.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FrankCoffman You have no clue. You haven't studied up on the JFK assassination very much. If you have any relatives who are veterans of the FBI and CIA, you might want to check with them.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackieow ~ I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, books, etc. You know nothing about me, so why are you making stupid personal remarks? The Paines didn't host Allen Dulles. That's a lie. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackieow ~ I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, etc. You know nothing about me, so STFU. The Paines didn't know or host Allen Dulles. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jackieow I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, etc. The Paines didn't know or host Allen Dulles. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

  • @forbzeOG
    @forbzeOG หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    All part of the agency they only recruit family if your family's in it

  • @dustyflair
    @dustyflair หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So they met at a party but LHO was a loner with no friends? Paine is now questioning this "ma" who then was staying at his home on weekends sleeping on the couch.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They met at a party of a CIA Contractor. And yet somehow she drove Marina to New Orleans in late April. (This was after A Heidel had bought a Rifle in March and shot at General Walker in early April.) And yet she never knew about the rifle after 9 months. yeah, sure.

    • @kathrynfauble9053
      @kathrynfauble9053 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @dustyflair There is no evidence Mr. Oswald slept on a couch. Mr. Paine didn’t say he had.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kathrynfauble9053 Oswald did spend weekends at the Paine home. I think Ruth might have said he was sleeping on the couch. The official storyline was that both couples were estranged. That clearly was not the case with the Paine's as Michael moved out the day before Marina moved in and he later moved back in the Day after Oswald was arrested. Marina had Soviet Intelligence connections so it is possible that Michael and Ruth were trying to divide them while Oswald was being handled. Ruth had a garage full of secret files with the names of Pro Castro Students that she and Michael had been collecting.

  • @mrpeel3239
    @mrpeel3239 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sounds like he's reading from a script of talking points! 😮

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:28, a statement by one who personally had a conversations with Oswald.

  • @kc4redding
    @kc4redding หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the Mexico Embassy "Oswalds" used to frame & discredit the 'real' LHO.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      KC, Actually, that one was almost 20 years older than Oswald. But curiously he did apply (the fake Oswald) for a Russian Visa in Mexico City using the real Oswald's I.D.

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:51, Payne didn't believe that Oswald shot the President.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep he was convinced until his dying day it was Phyllis Diller. 😂

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He was recorded by the FBI on the day of the Assassination telling Ruth (From a phone at Bell Helicopter where he worked) that Oswald would be charged with the Assassination. (but that conversation occurred 1 hour BEFORE Oswald was arrested)

  • @jmslaforzadeldestino4943
    @jmslaforzadeldestino4943 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ruth is still alive - can someone ask her?

  • @kentjensen4504
    @kentjensen4504 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Creepy AF

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "Creepy AF" Definitely. But then he is married to a master spy.

  • @James-cz4xv
    @James-cz4xv หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    He also looks like Oswald I wonder if he was on the sixth floor school book depository. Maybe that's why ruth got Oswald the job at the school book depository

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I noticed that too!!!!!!! I was thinking:' He kinda looks like Lee!'

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking it would be difficult to differentiate between Oswald and this guy in a tense situation.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely he was on the sixth floor.
      He was also on the balcony with King when he was killed in Memphis. He was a posing as a black sanitation worker then.
      And he was right behind RFK when he was shot in the kitchen of the ambassador Hotel. He was posing as a Hispanic busboy then. 😂

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t The busboy wasn't Hispanic. He was Filipino

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Michael Paine was at work at Bell Helicopter. When he heard Oswald had been captured, he yelled out, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him." He also was on the phone talking to Ruth about Oswald's role before it was announced he had been captured.

  • @Chris.Brisson
    @Chris.Brisson หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Michael lived separately from his estranged wife Ruth. Marina lived separately from Lee thanks to Ruth. Lee was struggling. Lee and Marina's second child was born one month prior to JFK's assassination. There was pressure on Lee. Dismissive attitudes towards Lee must have torqued his psyche. If the Oswalds had never met the Paines, imagine what a different world we might be living in now.

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Lee's innocent.

    • @garybrewster5657
      @garybrewster5657 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheListOf
      LHO was guilty beyond all DOUBT. He was also found guilty in a mock trial in England with all living witnesses testifying. Lee was defended by the renowned defense lawyer Gerry Spence. The evidence presented was overwhelming and factual unlike the pure speculation on this thread. Go read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi and it will clear up all the nonsense being spread here

    • @leeoliver424
      @leeoliver424 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheListOfoh ya sure he is……😂

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wow. Even the Warren Commission could not have written that better. There was "Pressure on Lee." The 24-year-old who spoke 3 languages fluently was highly trained in the Marines at El Toro and had a higher security clearance than his own commanding Officer at the Japanese Airbase that tracked the U2? He was taught Russian which he spoke so fluently that Marina thought he was Russian when she met him. This was not a loser as Posner and Bugliosi characterized him as. He was quite accomplished. The Paines were not estranged. He moved out the day before Marina moved in and he moved back in the day after Oswald was arrested.

    • @Chris.Brisson
      @Chris.Brisson 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Ruth and Michael had separated (and eventually divorced). Ruth cited "tyrannical treatment" as the reason. Michael moved out in September 1962. Marina and her daughter did not move in until April 1963.

  • @MsBackstager
    @MsBackstager หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hard to follow.

  • @claytonbigsby
    @claytonbigsby หลายเดือนก่อน

    Longer face and rounded chin more so than LHO. LHO was not irrational.

  • @halibut1249
    @halibut1249 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good grief, another oswald look-alike!!

  • @FrankCoffman
    @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Conspiracy nut bags are in full force here, posting their wacko nonsense.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@truthhandler6828 at misinformed gullible dupes

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nothing nutbag about 2 bullets making 9 wounds in two different people though, right Frank?

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc You don't know the evidence. You're counting entry and exit wounds as separate wounds. Also, you don't seem to know that bullets can pass through bodies causing multiple wounds.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc ~ A nutbag is someone who misstates facts and who doesn't know anything except misinformation from conspiracy hoaxers.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FrankCoffman Yes of course after hitting JFK at the 3rd vertebrae on a 17-degree downward angle and then exiting 6 inches higher above the necktie and then "tumbling" but still strong enough to slam into Connally's right Armpit and breaking a rib and exiting (tumbling again) and then shattering Connally's wrist tumbling a 3rd time and hitting Connally's left thigh. (while Connally was doing Yoga to line up his left thigh so that it could be the 7th wound.) Too bad that Tomlinson would reject the magic bullet the Warren Commission had recovered saying, "Nope. My bullet was pointed" And what type of rifle fires a pointed bullet? Let me think...Oh Yeah, a Mauser does.

  • @JohnGamerlTHEROYALBAVARIAN
    @JohnGamerlTHEROYALBAVARIAN หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    CIA

  • @sachasoorma
    @sachasoorma 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    maichael paine... the other 'oswald'