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Holy cow! I have been using HLG for years and love the way it looks especially on HDR displays like the Apple iPad Pro and iPhone. It’s so gratifying to see one of my most respected TH-camrs confirm my personal choices!
Thank you for the kind words!!
I also agree that the HLG looks better, and I’m all for simplifying tasks. Thanks for this tip.
I‘m so glad that you are back in YT business!
I've been using HLG for a few years now, and I agree with most of your thoughts. I still use DLOG-M as well, but it's a lot easier to work with HLG, especially if need to finish a project quickly. Great video, and thanks for sharing Stewart.
Nice to see you reading your viewers comments and then evolving your thinking and sharing it. I only shoot in HLG these days, for the reasons I explained in my previous message and those that you so eloquently showed in this video. Once you get this part, producing HDR is a no brainer, given MacBook pros, iPhones and TH-cam can all deal with HDR, TH-cam can also output SDR if the person watching doesn't have HDR capabilities so there's no excuse now for downsampling using Rec.709.
I also switched to HLG to create true 10 bit HLG HDR and a little pricey to get all the hardware Iphone, Ipad but worth it when watching it on my LG OLED. :)
Thanks for explaining this 🙂 gonna check it out!
Great video as always!!! And fantastic scenery!
Makes me miss the UK and of course holidays in Scotland!!!!
Great video will play around with HLG again.
Well explained 👏 I'll be giving this a try
Great tip! I'm definitely switching to shooting HLG on my mini 4 from now on!
Well thats me convinced! I’ll change the setting straight away.
Wow... switching to HLG... thanks - great video!
Having just bought the mini 4 at 63 this is all new to me . But your tips and tuition look very helpfull .Thank you for this video and I'm definitely going to head on over to your masterclasses to attempt to learn from you .
Great to hear! And feel free to dig through the old videos on the channel because there are lots of educational ones there too. All the best!
Ok this is really helpful
I will experiment with HLG. The Mini 4 should come with a cape. It’s super!
DJI Mini 3 here. Watched while I typed this as potential for an Air 3 in the near future, but need to get my head around the "colour-grading in post" lark.
I really need to check HLG out - thanks mate 👍🏼
Great video!
Crashed my Mini 3 Pro into a palm tree a couple of days ago but I'm happy since I'm upgrading to the Mini 4 Pro just before travelling Bolivia to Canada by land! Will film entirely in HLG and hope my ROG Zephyrus G14 laptop can cope! Thanks for being the deciding factor after hours spent on forums! 😁
I've been using HLG on my A7iii Sony camera. Recently I bought a DJI Mini 4 Pro and one of the reasons of the choice, was the HLG in it.
Thank you!
Quick tip: don't forget to regularly compare your work against similar reference material on your most frequently watched hardware (TV, phone, etc). Unless your PC / Mac monitor has been calibrated correctly, it's surprisingly easy to introduce unwanted errors.
Great tip!
I started to use HLG a week or so back now that I have mini 4 pro. Only issue I had was getting final cut pro to accept it without down converting, Got there in the end.
I thought it was just a curve isn’t it still the same format? I could be wrong I’m pretty new to video
Great video
I agree that HLG is better. I have been using HLG on my Mavic 2 Pro and my GH6 and Gh5S's. I see more details in HLG than Log. I use a Technicolor LUT with my Mavic but Resolve color management handles my GH footage really well.
hey great demo! 10x! btw, what's the input color for the DJI HLG in your NLE editor?
Amazing, its way better 😁
Using a pocket 3
Thanks a mil 👍🏻and good luck 🍀
Thanks Craig!
On my second ever attempt at filming with a drone my focus was on what the Mini 4 Pro was doing. I was relieved to get it back down without incident when I realised I hadn't set exposure compensation for the snow scene. Oh well, I figured it wouldn't be a masterpiece anyway.
When I reviewed the results on my Mac I was just amazed by the image quality! By pure chance I was using HLG, which coped incredibly well. In Davinci Resolve I can see some of the brightest highlights were blown when pointing towards the sun (hidden by slight cloud), but that's no surprise. I was expecting to be using the Log profile for all my shoots but I'm not sure now. Somehow HLG just seems TOO easy😄
You've summed it up perfectly!
Inspiring work! Aero Media produces the best Triathlon race movies. Would like to see your work picked up by Ironman. Oceanside film was great. This one is at a new level. Makes me want to get out there and race. Reminiscent of the angles used in the legacy IMWC NBC productions by the Texas Crew (with less slow-mo. You get a great idea of the speed in your vids. Nicely done!
Appreciate the kind words!
I bet it looks great on your monitor before loading on youtube!
Yes i also think hlg is good
Thanks for this video! Very interesting and helpful, I always have used Dlog-M so far but I will try HLG for sure. May I ask about your noise reduction and sharpness settings in drone for those clips?
Thanks! I don't recall changing anything for sharpness and NR so just whatever the defaults are.
@@DroneFilmGuide Thank you!
Can we expect similar performance from the Air2S with HLG?
HLG is what I always use for filming with the Sony FX3, huge dynamic range and a lot easier to expose and grade than Slog. But I don't use it for HDR, I use this profile in the rec709 color space instead of BT2020 (changed already on camera for faster workflow)
Good to see you here Jose!
@@DroneFilmGuide 😊
Another great video Stuart.
I am going to try HLG on my next drone video, I am quite new to FCP can you please tell me if I have to change any import settings and export settings once I have edited my video ? I have read people saying convert to Rec709 and use HDR tools !!
Many thanks.
Hey! Don't worry, it's very simple. Just set up your FCPX as per usual and as and when you use an HLG clip on your timeline, go to your effects and drag on "HDR Tools". In this effect you can choose HLG to Rec.709 from the dropdown menu in that effect and you'll be good to go. This way you can easily combine HLG clips and non-HLG clips. It's literally as simple as adding an effect to your HLG clips.
@@DroneFilmGuide thankyou so much for the reply 👍
Great video! But could you tell as if HLG is better than D-log on low light senarios?
No. In fact mini 4 and air 3 don't even have d log it's d logm. Honestly it's all a waste unless u have an actual dlog camera. Hlg sucks. They just spitting out another video.
Really interesting! Especially the difference of middtones-detail - didn't expect that! 😳👌 But still I didn't understand what you thought about the difference compared to the dji LUT applied? I'm fairly new to videography and work in DVR with a nodebased CMS. Did you still get more details in the middtones? 🤔
And to be able to tell while recording if the color balance and the exposure will work the approach with hybrid will be better anyway..
Thanks for the comment! The DJI LUT is an okay starting point for adding back contrast and saturation but as with all LUTs, a one-size-fits-all approach doesn't always get the job done. If you're really wanting to beast in to recovering detail in the midtones and the shadows then you need to do it yourself. But this is why I'm so pumped about HLG because the starting point for correction (if any) is so much easier. You can blend the footage with non HLG footage without any trouble. There's nothing technical stopping this being done.
Thank you really much for your answer! 👌☺️
Fantastic scenery ! Where is it exactly ?
That's Glencoe in Scotland. Cheers!
For HDR easy and cheap just shoot HLG . If u own a editing program and u are good at it .. then u can choose what u like .
Amazing video, do touch by any chance have issues with the Mavic 3 pro 5k footage playback ok the Mac?
So laggy on my 2019 i7 16g, and advice would be great
I'd say our 2019 MacBook Pro does okay with the 5k footage but the solution to this is to create proxy media so you can edit with the lower resolution copies of the video files and then export in full resolution when the time comes.
@@DroneFilmGuide thank you so much for the reply, I will definitely be giving that a go, much appreciated all the best
On the few occasions I've used HLG on my Air 3 I have got better results with it than shooting in D-Log M and messing about with LUTs and adjustments but if you want to do any kind of editing with HLG in Final Cut you can't export as a native wide-gamut HDR HLG file unless you choose 'uncompressed 10-bit' which is not an option because the file size is ridiculous. My understanding is the only way to export HLG is to buy the Compressor add-on for FCP which costs £50 which I'm not doing. Do please correct me if I'm wrong or if there is an alternative method I'm missing, I'm no expert in this, I'm just a novice that occasionally plays around with FCP.
If I understand you correctly, I've never tried to export HLG because I convert the footage with HDR Tools in FCPX to Rec.709. Any HLG footage we have would be mixed up with 'standard' camera B-roll footage and such like. As yet I've not tried to export actual HDR.
Are there any difficulties when working with hlg in post? What about exporting the video footage or combining it with older footage maybe captured in a different profile from your camera?
In FCPX you apply the HDR Tools effect to standardise the footage with your regular footage (Rec. 709). In other software I found it converts it automatically. So no, there's no issue with combining footage. I thought the same at one point, i.e. you're committing to a whole new workflow that's not compatible with your old library of footage but that's not the case.
@@DroneFilmGuide awesome thanks a lot!!
Thank you! Is there any HLG Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card for those of us stuck with older Macs? On my (still great) 2017 5k Retina iMac with integral Ps (billion colour) display and also stuck on 10.13.6 (High Sierra) Os, none of the native Apple software (eg Quicktime Player) can display the HLG video from my Mini 4 Pro. Apple tell me I would need to upgrade both the hardware and software to see and edit HLG but my iMac with internal 3TB SSD drive stands me in at almost £5k and does everything else I need it to, even in High Sierra. But the third-party video player, VLC, does at least show my HLG footage properly - which begs the question why my contemporary versions of Apple's Quicktime Player, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Compressor, iMovie, etc can't do the same. I really want to be able to play and very basically edit (cut/trim) HLG video without any hassle so is there a simple player/editor out there I haven't found which could do this without firing up Da Vinci Resolve to process/re-render/ruin the footage?
I don't do the colour grading thing my friend yet but will maybe give the HLG a go i nomadly just shoot in normal mode it does fine for my TH-cam channel OUTANDABOUT videos my friend
For DLog, a conversion lut (to rec709) should be used first before grading it. Let me know if I am wrong.
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my bad, i commented before finishing;) thanks
No worries! Appreciate you being here in the first place!
@@DroneFilmGuide Really, I don't get it with DLog-M. In FCPX DLog-M clips are set to Rec709 by default. Kind of a fallback due to lacking metadata as they should be using a much wider color space. Just putting a 'to Rec709 LUT' on top of this seems like nonsense as it won't bring the shifted colors back unless you manually override each clip to Rec2020 or whatever before editing.
On top of that it seems like DJI isn't going to provide any information about what exact color space DLog-M is using anyway. That's why I use HLG until someone might clear up my confusion about this.
Okay so where is the HLG Setting in the mini 4 pro rc2 ?
Which mode do you need to select when applying HDR Tools via fcpx? HLG to Rec.709 SDR or HDR to Rec.709 SDR. Grt
HLG to Rec. 709 SDR.
Since I bought my DJI Mini 4 Pro I automatically set the colour profile to Dlog-M because I thought it would be like filming in LOG with my Panasonic cameras.
BUT, I was wrong.
And, I could not quite put my finger on why my footage was garishly over-saturated. Turn's out that Dlog-M is not really a LOG profile. It is an amended profile made up by DJI to make grading easier for beginners.
I edit in Davinci Resolve, and if I set-up Resolve with its Colour Management tools to use my Drone footage, then I learned that Dlog-M is best treated as if it was Rec.709 footage. The Exposure and Saturation played nicely. However If I treated Dlog-M as a Log Colour Profile then the Exposure would be wrong and the Saturation levels were too strong.
Your episode made me re-evaluate why I blindly set my Mini 4 pro to film in Dlog-M, and do some tests of my own. I'm so glad I experimented with HLG because it is an absolute pleasure to use, especially when colour grading in Davinci Resolve.
I also discovered that using the "Normal" Colour Profile which is a Rec.709 colour profile, and 8bit, gives better results than Dlog-M. That's shocking to learn.
Frank can u say anything about what CST's you typically do when grading HLG in DVR? Are u taking to davinci wide gamut intermediate then back to 709?
@@JeffreyJDavis
The TL:DR bit for HLG footage in Resolve
First Colour Space Transform Node:
Input Colour Space Rec.2100
Input Gamma REC.2100 HLG
Output Colour Space Davinci Wide Gammut
Output Gamma Davinci Intermediate
Last Colour Space Transform Node:
Input Colour Space Davinci Wide Gammut
Input Gamma Davinci Intermediate
Output Colour Space Rec.709
Output Gamma Gamma 2.2 (NOT GAMMA 2.4)
Now for the long explanation why I DO NOT use GAMMA 2.4.
After the reply I made at the start of the year I looked at a clip using VLC. I then looked at the Metadata and learned that Dlog-M is a REC709 colour space and NOT a LOG colour profile.
As for using Davinci Resolve, if I was using Dlog-M then my initial Colour Space Transform would be:
Input Colour Space Rec.709
Input Gamma Rec.709
Output Colour Space Davinci Wide Gamut
Output Gamma Davinci Intermediate
I would then have another Colour Space Transform at the end of my Node Tree to convert from Davinci Wide Gammut back to Rec 709.
However I have learned something important about getting the correct Gamma for this Colour Space Transform Node.
I use a computer monitor which is completely different to a professional Colourist Display monitor. These two display screens use different Gamma settings. And to confuse matters uploading stuff to TH-cam uses a specific Gamma setting.
TH-cam requires and displays all episodes in Gamma 2.2. This is because episodes are mostly viewed on phones, computer monitors and TV's.
Long story short, I have a prosumer/domestic computer display screen and I am rendering stuff to TH-cam so my second Colour Space Transform Node takes this into account. My display Screen uses Gamma 2.2 and probably every domestic computer monitor uses Gamma 2.2
Gamma is basically science/maths of how our eyes perceive images in different lighting settings. Its optical illusions.
If you watch stuff on your phone or computer screen then the colour grading has to make colours brighter and more vibrant to adjust for a bright surrounding. While if you are watching a film in a cinema where the room is practically dark then the colourist would tone down the colours and saturation to compensate for how our eyes perceive what they are looking at in a blackened box/room.
Gamma 2.2 and Gamma 2.4 differences are very subtle and probably nobody would ever notice, because I didn't until I learned the difference and saw the effects in the wave form when I switched Gamma in the second Colour Space Transform Node. The waveform makes a big change in the upper and lower parts of the waveform, which can have a big impact on your colour grading.
@@frankinblackpool Thanks Dawg for your detailed response, I love it when I get some of my best help in the comment threads of another youtuber's video. Super useful. I wouldn't have known to use REC2100 for HLG! I've been using the DJI D-LOGM to Rec 709 LUT at the front end of my node tree when processing D-LOG. Sounds like you just skip that part. .
@@jeffdavis7001 You are most welcome.
BTW Dlog-M is different to D-LOG. The D-LOG is the only one that is an actual LOG colour profile. I learned most of my Davinci Resolve stuff from another TH-cam channel, which out of respect I won't mention here to Stewart and Alina.
I'm just a hobbyist who likes faffing about filming stuff.
@@frankinblackpool thanks brother. the DJI lut I'm using is DLOG-M to rec 709 (I guess DLOG-M is already 709 but possibly in maps its closer to standard Rec709). lut comments header:
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Got to ask as it’s driving me nuts what MacBook do you use please ?
2019 2.3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 with 16GB RAM and 8GB graphics card. Just a standard machine that's still more than good enough for anything I throw at it in FCPX.
@@DroneFilmGuide awesome thank you I’m looking at getting a MacBook for dji footage etc but it’s a bit of a minefield 😂.
I'm noticing more and more people using the little body 'box' mics for their audio even when they could use a shotgun if they chose. I don't have the Rode mic I have a FulAim x5 and they're great. I don't even take my Sennheiser ME66 shotgun mic with me anymore. No need. They really do a great job these days. All we need now is for a camera manufacturer to over 32Bit float in our 'in-camera' audio now. Then there really will be no need for an external recorder.
What about shooting drone shots that gets edited with someone else's footage? I've often done work for someone who is using a camera that has LOG, but not sure about HLG. Usually in those cases it's up to them to edit/color correct/grade so I don't worry about it. Has anyone done a project where drone footage was done in HLG and other camera work was shot with log (or some other format)? When I ask, they usually say "just shoot in log" - probably answered my own question.. As a result I've gotten into the habit of just shooting in log. But I am definitely going to look more into HLG. Thanks!
Given that HLG is closer to the finished result, I'd say it's a faster format to work with in post. There's nothing technical stopping various colour profiles being used in the same project but if someone else is editing the footage then definitely best to stick with what they want.
The same results can be achieved if they only gave us an update where we can adjust in the fly app
- contrast
- saturation
- sharpness
Dji go 4 you could do this with all their older drones apart from the spark
It's all marketing
Mini 4 Pro. Amazing little b'stard. Air 3 and Mavic III stay on shelf most of time. 🎉Now....X3 optical camera option on Mini 5 Pro please 😅
HLG fine by me. 🎉 Spend all that time colour grading and 90% of your viewers don't even notice.
Both HLG and DLOG-M have their places
Will this also be applicable to the Pocket 3?
Yup.
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Thanks, as always for the fully fantastic video. We started shooting all of our beer flogs with the DJI Pocket 3 but more afraid to try the HLG because WE THOUGHT IT WOULD NOT WORK WELL WITH FINAL CUTS EXPORT FOR TH-cam. IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT DOESN’T REQUIRE EXTRA STEPS. AS A SIDEBAR, WHAT ADAPTER DO YOU USE FOR YOUR TABLE? TOP TRIPOD TO HOLD UP YOUR DTI MIC . Excuse the upper case. Dictation went wrong. But what table top tripod and adapter do you use to hold the mic? Thanks again for everything. - Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ Professional Poets & Bed 🛏️ & Beer🍺 Vloggers ]
Thanks! It's a little mini tripod DJI produced around the time of the Action 2. I don't think they sell it now but I've attached a magnetic mount from the Action2/3/4 to the top and it works perfectly for the DJI Mic.
@@DroneFilmGuide thanks. I have a bunch of micro tripods from insta and ulanzi. But can you tell specifically what magnetic mount you attach yo this to connect the dji mic? Is it magneticly snapped to this adapter or cold shoe clipped? Do you have an Amazon link or searchable way to find this. Thanks again for everything. - Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ Professional Poets & Bed 🛏️ & Beer🍺 Vloggers ]
@@DroneFilmGuide thanks . Which magnetic 🧲 mount? As far as a know , there is no specific magnetic mount for mic 🎤. And the mounts for action 2/3 etc have a magnetic and CLIP system not on the mics. Thanks for your words of wisdom on product NAME NUMBER and / or link (if possible) - - Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ Professional Poets & Bed 🛏️ & Beer🍺 Vloggers ]
Is there something that technically prevents to add HLG to mini 3 pro?
I don't know TBH. I'd speculate no.
Wasn't it added there already?
Was this done without nd filters ?
ND filters were used. This has no bearing on this discussion mind you. Just helps you get motion blur.
Just imagine the possibilitie once Ai is incorporated into their drones. 😃
Is the HLG on the Air2S not 10 bit?
Good point, it's also 10bit.
@DroneFilmGuide lol, thanks! I know it's yesterday's news, but that's what I'm still using, and I wasn't sure. So thank you! I also prefer HLG, even at night! Seems less noise, and I'm not great at color grading even in full daylight, much less at night, lol!
What name Instagram?
Great video!!