There's a huge tip i'd like to leave for everyone. After putting fluro line on your new spool. I like to warm up water in a bowl and leave my spool in the bowl for 10 minutes so the new line gets used to the new diameter spool it is sitting on. Since it comes in a big diameter spool from the store it is used to that shape. Heating it up and getting used to it's new shape will allow you to fish without much fuss from wind knots or if you have thicker line it's a lot less fuss. It's an unspoken rule that i never see any pro mention. I have been doing it since i was a kid. It makes a big difference. Forgot to do it yesterday on some new copolymer line i'm testing and it gave me nothing but problems.
Ya wanna make that mono or flouro even more smooth, after ya have the line a bath in warm/hot water, tie a sturdy hook on it attach it to a fixed object (I use my truck bumper) and let out about 5 yards and give a few tugs on it, then repeat til ya get enough line out as far as you would cast. Then reel it back on the spool. Even the crappiest line becomes supple, and most stretch comes outta the line. Works every time. By the way as your pulling on your line make sure you’re reel is locked down!
I'm cheap and lazy, so I use braid with a fluoro leader. Easy hook sets, and the braid lasts forever for people like me that only fish ~25 times a year. Also like how sensitive the feel is with braid. You can feel every bump on the bottom and every fish touching your bait.
I love using braid-flouro & braid-mono. I usually tie a carrot knot between 30lb BR-17lb FL/20lb MO leader, and tie a swivel at the end. I have caught some massive largemouth, smallmouth, and catfish, even thru massive cover and snags and have never broken off.
I'm not a tournament fishermen, so I've been using 30-lb braid on a 6'6" med-heavy spinning rod, for years. Never tied it to a fluorocarbon leader, always used wire leaders. Never had a fish straighten out hooks, and I've caught everything from pan fish to muskies with no worries about the fish seeing the line, whether I've used live bait or lures.
@@Skim_beeble7125yea but everyone knows trout fishing is way different. What he’s talking about is for mostly bass fishing and pan fishing. Most people including myself have separate rods for top water vs senkos and jig heads. For a bass fisherman who wants to fish the occasional trout most of the time you just use your lighter monofilament rod, throw a rooster tail on it and that works completely fine. Nobodies really fishing trout with heavy braided anyway it would be stupid.
Important to know that Braided line comes in 4 or 8 strand. The latter of which, is easier on your line guides, is more abrasion resistant and better castability. Also: Since we only use the first 100 yards of line, then just replace the first 100 yards of line. Take a new 330 yard spool of expensive braided line and add 100 yards on the reel, as a backer, then cut the line and reattach the line, using a double Uni-knot, and fill the spool. To replace, just strip off the old line at the uni-knot and add the remaining 100 yards.. Cuts line cost in half.
I used to fish braid to a fluorocarbon leader but lately i just fish sraight braid mostly as our dams here in South Africa have so much grass in them that the bass don't seem to see the braid, affecting your hookup rate. Even in clear water they don't seem to mind my green 30 pound braided line.
Great information clearly presented!! A lot of content creators should follow your example to make better videos. Thanks for this! I kayak fish 5 or 6 days a week here in Ontario, Canada and use PowerPro braid with a fluorocarbon leader. Once I started using a fluoro leader my successes rate went way up.
I recently switched from mono to fluorocarbon line and have noticed I have been catching more fish. I usually fish for walleye so I think the uptick has to do with the increased sensitivity. Walleye hit very lightly a lot of the time and the fluoro allows me to feel those light bites.
I have always used braid with a Palomar knot on all my rods with no Leader. I just tune the reel so im not bending hooks or ripping a hole in the fish. After I set the hook ill adjust as needed so the fish isn't running out my reel. I grew up fishing the delta in SF bay area so I always use 50-60 lbs test because there was always a chance of hooking a big striper. Now that I live in Oregon I have went down on two rods to 20-30lbs test but still have 50-60 lbs test on the other three rods. I know its over kill but I tell you what I haven't lost any lures in 30+ years.
Man you need that heavy line for shore fishing in the ocean tho man I bet it's also nice being able to fight snags I'm inland and I really only use 6 pound floro for trout and such so if I get snagged it's 50/50 I'm loosing my lure
Thanks Ty. Blaukat has an interesting take on braid. It ( AKA diverse opinions) all adds to the flavor of the sport we love. Looking forward to the next vid.
Braid + fluoro forever, tied with reverse Allbright. 30 to 50 lbs braid + 15 to 20 lbs fluoro for punching & flipping in heavy cover 15 lbs braid + 6 to 10 lbs fluoro, finesse in clear water. Cheers from Italy
Man I love this channel so much… I love to see your results and also hear other people’s opinions and why they feel that way… It’s just awesome when you’re really passionate about fishing… This and live scopes are like fisherman at their nerdiest…😂 I honestly wish live scopes would go away though. It just takes the sport out of it in my opinion… I like to see the older guys that know where to look for fish based more on weather conditions, water clarity, and what time of year it is… They actually put in the work to learn… Now fisherman can cruise over 20 spots that look like they would be great and then find some random spot that might not have even got there attention to begin with and then spot lock and start catching fish… Like that just isn’t fishing in my opinion, sorry if I offended anyone…😄
While in my later years I love the technical aspect of fishing today. I learned to fish starting at 8yr old with my grandad fishing for cats in the Maumee river in Toledo, He was a railroad worker who had access to the c and o docks. We fished around the lake freighters tied up. He caught fish, I didn't, but I learned and things changed. I've caught many fish in my life. My point is just go fish. There is no right or wrong way. You will learn in time what works and you will remember.
I use mono, I have for a very long time, since I was a kid, it’s cheap, it works, I don’t fish for a living , so I just change it when it needs changing and go fishing. Fresh or salt water I use all mono. Sometimes I make wire leaders in salt water fishing, sometimes I use bigger mono leaders, I catch fish. I’ll leave all the other science to the experts.
Heat produces memory. Sunlight is UV that degrades the line in almost all cases. Good info. I also bring some delicate baits inside in the hot summer time to prevent warping. Ive lost some onetens like that.
Thank you for putting so much time into your tests. They are super helpful. I have two quibbles, which Salt Strong demonstrated clearly. 1. Mono is more abrasion resistant than fluoro. This is opposite what the industry feeds us. 2. Mono does not float. It is less dense than fluoro, but it still sinks once you break the surface tension. Probably the reason you have to replace fluoro so often is because it weakens significantly from stress, also demonstrated by Salt Strong. If you still have your test equipment and did the same tests against 20 lb Stren, it would be really interesting to see where it ended up in the rankings. You don't have to test all monos, just one would do.
I have two bass combos, a MH casting setup and MH spinning setup, so for staying on a budget and versatility braid to copolymer has been my go to the past 3 seasons
@@davidemmanuel23 I only throw finesse (Wacky rigs, Ned rigs, Shakey heads) on spinning set ups, so I go for fluorocarbon (15LB) because it allows the line to be invisible and it sinks. For my bait caster, I mainly use braid (20-30LB) because braid is a heavy duty line, and I throw heavier/big lures on my bait caster. Of course, you don't have to copy me, my experience is just a starting point.
Great video. I have a friend who is a guide and also repairs reels for local tackle shops. When it comes to fishing line, he keeps all of his line in the bottom of his frig. Interesting., he said heat or sun is the killer on fishing line.
Spot on. My first quality setup was an expensive medium heavy, fast tip rod and a similarly priced shimano reel. I had braid spooled up and was sure I had made all the right choices... But I didn’t do very well… Till I ended up catching a ton of panfish on a cheap Walmart combo pre spooled with who knows what kind of mono. It was then that I realized my “good” setup was way too rigid without any stretch whatsoever. Put a fluoro leader on and like magic, I was catching fish again.
@@LJB. a braid test would take a lot of time to test if done correctly. Braid last a long time and changes over time. From its stiffness and wind knots and to its color retention. He’d also need to test 4 carriers separately from the 8 carriers. I use 4 carriers in grass and 8 in open water.
To save even more money on braid , when you go to respool with new and your spool on the reel is still full enough, Walk the line out in your yard, clip at the knot then go find the old end and retire from there and reel it all back on.
I hate the spring in mono and fcarb. It's hard to teach kids with, I always use braid for youth fishing. I use braid basically for everything, unless steelhead fishing or in super clear slow water. After you get good with braid, choose the right diameter and know your techniques, I see little need for anything else.
As a recreational fisher, I use mono or copolymer on all my vintage stuff and braid on the UL and spinning reels. Steel wire or line as leader. Used fluoro leader one time, and after 3 northern pikes, the leader broke, with scratches like tooth marks all over the last 2 inches..
I would love to see a real test between Monofilament vs Fluorocarbon. I really think there is such a big misconception where we were sold a bill of goods with Fluorocarbon. Stretch, abrasion resistance, and invisibility benefits (if any) over mono in my opinion are simply marketing ploys to make us spend a ridiculous amount of money for something that isn't any better. Fishermen are more gullible than the fish when it comes to being lured in. I'm guilty of it too.
I remember many years ago rods were shorter like 5.5' or 6'. Now I found then that longer rods like 6.5" to over 7' worked much better for me and a fast tip rod I don't care what bait I used. The first time I used braid after I never used anything else. Casting distance improved and never tangled like mono can knots never fail if you tie them right.
I like to use ''line butter'' .Its a line conditioner you spray on your spool at home and let sit overnight . I find it helps my mono stay manageable and healthy.
I like to use braided line with some of that seaguar gold label that works perfect for almost all of my rods except the ones for deep drops and kite fishing I use braided and mono for top shot.
All my spinning reels have fluoro. Get quality fluoro (Seaguar Basix is good enough but get better if you can). Spool it on correctly and keep plenty of tension on it. I hold my line directly with a wet rag while spooling. Your reel should be turning the same direction as the line is coming off the factory spool.
Something else I notice.. If your lure is hooked the keeper and the line is really tight across the tip eye for a long time.. it makes a weak spot in the line. Great video!
Braid is the to go for me and I use fluoro leader to make sure that there are still a little bit of stretch to the leader and it helps with getting out of the situation when u hooked onto a rock
What should I be throwing mid depth crank baits on? I know I probably shouldn’t be using braid but I like the sensitivity it gives me. I can feel every rock and piece of grass. I usually use braid with a very long mono leader and a softer parabolic rod. When I use mono, I can’t feel anything, not even the wiggle of the bait. Should I be using fluorocarbon lone for this.
I personally use copolymer for pretty much everything except situations where I need braid. I use Trilene sensation and izorline xxx. (Actual copolymer, not that coated crap) I've had way better luck using these lines than I ever have with mono or flouro. You get the best of both worlds, pretty much all of the benefits of both, but no negatives. Cool video man.
@@thomasharris2919 I've tried a couple dozen lines over the years and izorline is the one I always find myself going back to. Trilene sensation and McCoys is good too. They're pretty similar but I've had the best luck with izorline.
Fishing Bonito on the jetty which leader should I used ? You thing 20 lbs. monofilament will do the trick? I know Bonito has a sharp eyes and very picky if they see you line. Please advise thanks !
You have a sinking monofilament too. Medium range monofilament is $5+ for 150m (meters). Really good quality monofilament is $10+ for 150m. In my experience, anything under $5 is mostly junk. Especially since I mostly use 0.14. And that in a type of fishing where you usually have bigger and more aggressive fish than in the average bass fishing.
After watching your video, I've realised how I'm keeping my spools to be cooked in the trunk of my car, under the sun in the parking lot... Great pieces of advice. Thank you!
My braided line it won’t be loose and I will have it tight on my spool but every time I use it I go to cast and it catches and just snaps my lure off what am I doing wrong?
Same thing happened to me with 12lb braid, although it snapped at the reel instead of the lure. I got to watch a brand new Mepps 4 hum across the river first cast. I’d also like to know where I went wrong as it was new line I had only ran for around 2 weeks.
So is monofilament actually useful? I don't see a point to use it (except for leaders) when you have copolymer and braid which both do the same thing monofilament does, but better.
Tyler this is great video ,you just helped me so much. I can't spool my reels with floro because it's so springy, I do use braid to floro on every thing with no problem. Tyler do you have any suggestions ,David
Super cool! Hey question I just got a 7’2 heavy Ark Catalyzer Rod, I see that you use ark a lot and I got one I’m making it an all purpose rod, and thinking of running 15-17lb fluorocarbon what do you think?
I’m using 100% braid, with mono or copoly leader on both spinning and bait caster, I’ve tried floro as full spool and as a leader and don’t like it. I can’t justify the cost of the premium stuff.
NEED HELP: Line recommendations for the following rods: Shimano Terez 8' , Medium Power, ExtraFast Action Braided line 20-50 Lbs paired with Deiwa Lexa 300 HD. Other rod is Terez 7', Medium Heavy Power, Fast Action, 40 -80 Lbs with Accurate Fury 2speed 500. What do you recommend?
Monofilament can be found in any dictionary. I'm old enough to have read a few. A single strand of a certain material or blend of certain materials, metal or plastic. Hence the 'Mono' in monofilament. As to fishing line, DuPont created the first monofilament, and it was nylon. Nylon, as a sole component is a very rare item these days. Although a couple exist, I only know of SunLine Pure, and it's a dream to handle on spin-cast & spinning reels. Flourocarbon and all co-polymers are monofilament plastic lines. Some co-polys are extruded with a flourocarbon coating or blended with flourocarbon, but are still monofilament lines. All co-polys are some blend of a variety of plastics intended to achieve some specific result or tendency in use. Some float, some sink very quickly, some stretch, some have near no stretch. Some are stiff, others, varying degrees of limpness. All are monofilament lines... Not simply "mono-component" strands. "Braids" might encompass fused filaments or braided filaments. They may or may not be coated for any desired reason, but usually to make them flow more smoothly & quietly through the guides. These were evolved into "super-lines", generally Dyneema or Spectra fibers, all originating from the creation of Kevlar. I started in the early 50's fishing with a Dacron braid, colored in a camo pattern, and today it is still used in saltwater angling behind long mono, stretchy "shock-leaders" and in flyfishing as backing on the reel. Like today's 'braids' super-sensitive, very tough lines and I had great success with it. Pure Nylon monos, after a couple casts, absorbed water, and they were very stretchy, but I never once had a pigtail nor line jump off a spool...manageability was great. Thus were born graphite & boron rods (mine was solid fiberglass, my Dad's was steel), to enhance sensitivity. The main downside to nylon was after a day's use, it would dry and shrink. This may and did crush many new plastic/graphite/pot-metal arbors on low-cost spinning reels, the cheap metal arbors on low cost bait-casting or trolling reels, and wood arbors on some salt-reels, mitigated by using Dacron as backing for the long nylon shock leader. My Dad's deep water lake trout reel sported steel wire monofilament with a crimped mono nylon shock leader to enhance rapid descent to the desired depth. His routine success was appreciated by his family at the table. Co-polys are a monofilament, but with a variety of plastics blended into the liquid, including flourocarbon, so as to minimize or enhance certain characteristics and then are extruded as a homogenized single strand of a certain blend of materials. Pure flourocarbon is no different, as manufacturers attempt to alter the characteristics to achieve certain goals.
Just getting back into FISHING and knowing the game has changed. Is it better to Run Straight Braid or Florcarbon or Run with a Liter for Bass Fishing. What LB Test is now best living up in Northeast New England
I m bigenner and I m fishing in salt water I use nylon line for years by washing the ligne with drink water and keeping it freech is it true!!! For you
I use either mono or braid, typically no leader. I tie a palomar knot except for my ultra light stuff, I use a clinch knot for that. Probably a forbidden sun among pro anglers but I still catch plenty of fish
It's not a myth. It's just more of a diminishing gains kind of thing. Some fish will care, some won't. If you're fishing for money, it's best to maximize advantages. If you're new and still not catching, it's probably as much to do with your current lack of knowledge of your area as much as anything else. You can look on youtube for ideas to try and general knowledge. But unless you have buddies in your area that can guide you in the right direction, it's a ton of trial and error. Don't get discouraged. It takes a lot of time and patience. Once you start hooking some, something will click in your brain, and it will get a lot easier. Tyler has a saying that I like. "You'll catch more bass throwing the wrong bait in the right area. You won't catch any bass throwing the right bait in the wrong area." Focus on finding where they are right now in your area. You'll get there, just keep a line in the water.
@@ryanburns3921 Yes sir! Thanks for the response and I am definitely doing a lot of homework and lots of fishing. I know I will catch some fish soon, I'm learning more about them and how they live and just trying to put everything together. The main thing is I love it and my son and I get to hang out and learn this stuff together, good times.
You mentioned downsizing hooks on top waters. Do u think whopper ploppers have way too big of hooks? I switched to g finesse trebles, I use braid on them, is this smart?
B I spin for AUSTRALIAN salmon I use a 9 ft 6 ,, rod ,and my reel diwia bg 5000dawia reel loaded up with 40lb pe braid 4 strand works well throwing 85 gm lures to the first break.
one thing to note is that modern mono is actually very good. Like Sufix Elite or Seige, its strong and casts smooth. Its not like your Grandpa's old slinky like crappy mono lol
Basic rule of thumb is a s long as you know what you're line is doing you can get things to work. Little lighter jig or weigh on your texas rig. Little heavier. We budget anglers no this big time. 👍
What line do you recommend for throwing buzz baits? I have strait mono at the moment on a 7’ MH fast action rod. I haven’t been pleased with my results yet. Help please!👍🏻🎣🇺🇸
I think your vid is great but, one of the most important things you didn't cover is knot strength. Since we all have to tie one maybe cover not just the knots but how well each line handles knots.
Once the carbon or mano line stretches with every and all big fish you catch it will eventually snap it’s not like it contracts back to normal after so much tension and stress!
I've seen information/video showing mono and fluoro are essentially the same regarding stretch, but mono is more abrasion resistant. Salt strong I think. Lots of salt water guys don't use fluoro in grabby situations.
I like your test and assessment however, copolymer is not a fluorocarbon coated monofilament. It is a nylon monofilament with multiple nylon resins. For example the original nylon monofilament was typically Nylon6 it was strong but had a lot of stretch and is highly absorbent. In the late 70’s or early 80’s extruders began mixing resins to create monofilament with better characteristics for sport fishing. The result was copolymers or multiple resin lines. Most premium monofilament lines today are Nylon6-66, Nylon6-12 or Nylon6-66-12. Adding Nylon 66 and 12 offered higher abrasion, less stretch, less water absorption and higher tensile strength. Nylon6-66 is the most common copolymer for spooling and leader because it is supple, strong, stretches less and has good abrasion resistance. Nylon 6-12 is primarily a leader material because it is very dense, strong and abrasion resistant but has more memory. It is an excellent material for large billfish leader and a prime example is Momoi Xtra Hard.
There's a huge tip i'd like to leave for everyone. After putting fluro line on your new spool. I like to warm up water in a bowl and leave my spool in the bowl for 10 minutes so the new line gets used to the new diameter spool it is sitting on. Since it comes in a big diameter spool from the store it is used to that shape. Heating it up and getting used to it's new shape will allow you to fish without much fuss from wind knots or if you have thicker line it's a lot less fuss. It's an unspoken rule that i never see any pro mention. I have been doing it since i was a kid. It makes a big difference. Forgot to do it yesterday on some new copolymer line i'm testing and it gave me nothing but problems.
Ya wanna make that mono or flouro even more smooth, after ya have the line a bath in warm/hot water, tie a sturdy hook on it attach it to a fixed object (I use my truck bumper) and let out about 5 yards and give a few tugs on it, then repeat til ya get enough line out as far as you would cast. Then reel it back on the spool. Even the crappiest line becomes supple, and most stretch comes outta the line. Works every time. By the way as your pulling on your line make sure you’re reel is locked down!
I'm cheap and lazy, so I use braid with a fluoro leader. Easy hook sets, and the braid lasts forever for people like me that only fish ~25 times a year. Also like how sensitive the feel is with braid. You can feel every bump on the bottom and every fish touching your bait.
I love using braid-flouro & braid-mono.
I usually tie a carrot knot between
30lb BR-17lb FL/20lb MO leader, and tie a swivel at the end.
I have caught some massive largemouth, smallmouth, and catfish, even thru massive cover and snags and have never broken off.
@@willdenoble1898 Returning to my laziness.. I use an albright knot for my line to line connections.
Me too. I love how I can feel rocks, weeds etc. Especially with a dropshot or a swing head jig.
If you are tying on a leader, you're not really lazy. Lose the flora leader like I did and never look back!
I'm a braid to mono guy, as floating mono is less intrusive than sinking flouro for the type of fishing I do.
I'm not a tournament fishermen, so I've been using 30-lb braid on a 6'6" med-heavy spinning rod, for years. Never tied it to a fluorocarbon leader, always used wire leaders. Never had a fish straighten out hooks, and I've caught everything from pan fish to muskies with no worries about the fish seeing the line, whether I've used live bait or lures.
Safe to assume you haven't caught many trout
@@Skim_beeble7125yea but everyone knows trout fishing is way different. What he’s talking about is for mostly bass fishing and pan fishing. Most people including myself have separate rods for top water vs senkos and jig heads. For a bass fisherman who wants to fish the occasional trout most of the time you just use your lighter monofilament rod, throw a rooster tail on it and that works completely fine. Nobodies really fishing trout with heavy braided anyway it would be stupid.
Important to know that Braided line comes in 4 or 8 strand. The latter of which, is easier on your line guides, is more abrasion resistant and better castability.
Also: Since we only use the first 100 yards of line, then just replace the first 100 yards of line. Take a new 330 yard spool of expensive braided line and add 100 yards on the reel, as a backer, then cut the line and reattach the line, using a double Uni-knot, and fill the spool. To replace, just strip off the old line at the uni-knot and add the remaining 100 yards.. Cuts line cost in half.
Did you just say to put braid as a backer 😂😂.
What people don't know is that braid digs into wood. If you fish a timbered reservoir, stay away from it!
4 strand is actually more abrasion resistant than 8
Added this to my watch later. There was an embarrasing amount of information I did not know or consider in this vid.. Thanks Ty
I used to fish braid to a fluorocarbon leader but lately i just fish sraight braid mostly as our dams here in South Africa have so much grass in them that the bass don't seem to see the braid, affecting your hookup rate. Even in clear water they don't seem to mind my green 30 pound braided line.
Great information clearly presented!! A lot of content creators should follow your example to make better videos. Thanks for this! I kayak fish 5 or 6 days a week here in Ontario, Canada and use PowerPro braid with a fluorocarbon leader. Once I started using a fluoro leader my successes rate went way up.
I recently switched from mono to fluorocarbon line and have noticed I have been catching more fish. I usually fish for walleye so I think the uptick has to do with the increased sensitivity. Walleye hit very lightly a lot of the time and the fluoro allows me to feel those light bites.
I have always used braid with a Palomar knot on all my rods with no Leader. I just tune the reel so im not bending hooks or ripping a hole in the fish. After I set the hook ill adjust as needed so the fish isn't running out my reel. I grew up fishing the delta in SF bay area so I always use 50-60 lbs test because there was always a chance of hooking a big striper. Now that I live in Oregon I have went down on two rods to 20-30lbs test but still have 50-60 lbs test on the other three rods. I know its over kill but I tell you what I haven't lost any lures in 30+ years.
Man you need that heavy line for shore fishing in the ocean tho man I bet it's also nice being able to fight snags I'm inland and I really only use 6 pound floro for trout and such so if I get snagged it's 50/50 I'm loosing my lure
love how you break things down and explain it. love your vids bub. thanks.
Thanks Ty. Blaukat has an interesting take on braid. It ( AKA diverse opinions) all adds to the flavor of the sport we love. Looking forward to the next vid.
Braid + fluoro forever, tied with reverse Allbright.
30 to 50 lbs braid + 15 to 20 lbs fluoro for punching & flipping in heavy cover
15 lbs braid + 6 to 10 lbs fluoro, finesse in clear water.
Cheers from Italy
Man I love this channel so much… I love to see your results and also hear other people’s opinions and why they feel that way… It’s just awesome when you’re really passionate about fishing… This and live scopes are like fisherman at their nerdiest…😂 I honestly wish live scopes would go away though. It just takes the sport out of it in my opinion… I like to see the older guys that know where to look for fish based more on weather conditions, water clarity, and what time of year it is… They actually put in the work to learn… Now fisherman can cruise over 20 spots that look like they would be great and then find some random spot that might not have even got there attention to begin with and then spot lock and start catching fish… Like that just isn’t fishing in my opinion, sorry if I offended anyone…😄
While in my later years I love the technical aspect of fishing today. I learned to fish starting at 8yr old with my grandad fishing for cats in the Maumee river in Toledo, He was a railroad worker who had access to the c and o docks. We fished around the lake freighters tied up. He caught fish, I didn't, but I learned and things changed. I've caught many fish in my life. My point is just go fish. There is no right or wrong way. You will learn in time what works and you will remember.
I use mono, I have for a very long time, since I was a kid, it’s cheap, it works, I don’t fish for a living , so I just change it when it needs changing and go fishing. Fresh or salt water I use all mono. Sometimes I make wire leaders in salt water fishing, sometimes I use bigger mono leaders, I catch fish. I’ll leave all the other science to the experts.
Check Salt strong tests on TH-cam. Mono is in fact a better choice.
Heat produces memory. Sunlight is UV that degrades the line in almost all cases. Good info. I also bring some delicate baits inside in the hot summer time to prevent warping. Ive lost some onetens like that.
Thank you for putting so much time into your tests. They are super helpful. I have two quibbles, which Salt Strong demonstrated clearly.
1. Mono is more abrasion resistant than fluoro. This is opposite what the industry feeds us.
2. Mono does not float. It is less dense than fluoro, but it still sinks once you break the surface tension.
Probably the reason you have to replace fluoro so often is because it weakens significantly from stress, also demonstrated by Salt Strong.
If you still have your test equipment and did the same tests against 20 lb Stren, it would be really interesting to see where it ended up in the rankings. You don't have to test all monos, just one would do.
I have two bass combos, a MH casting setup and MH spinning setup, so for staying on a budget and versatility braid to copolymer has been my go to the past 3 seasons
Yep, I use Power Pro SSV2 with a leader of P Line Floroclear on all my rods with different test lines for different luers
Any advice for beginners? I have spinning and baitcaster. I used Berkeley monofilament lines for both. I wonder if it effects anything
@@davidemmanuel23 I only throw finesse (Wacky rigs, Ned rigs, Shakey heads) on spinning set ups, so I go for fluorocarbon (15LB) because it allows the line to be invisible and it sinks. For my bait caster, I mainly use braid (20-30LB) because braid is a heavy duty line, and I throw heavier/big lures on my bait caster. Of course, you don't have to copy me, my experience is just a starting point.
@@davidemmanuel23Berkeley line is some of the best line for lower price range, especially the Trilene Big Game and XL smooth casting.
Great video. I have a friend who is a guide and also repairs reels for local tackle shops. When it comes to fishing line, he keeps all of his line in the bottom of his frig. Interesting., he said heat or sun is the killer on fishing line.
Spot on. My first quality setup was an expensive medium heavy, fast tip rod and a similarly priced shimano reel. I had braid spooled up and was sure I had made all the right choices... But I didn’t do very well… Till I ended up catching a ton of panfish on a cheap Walmart combo pre spooled with who knows what kind of mono. It was then that I realized my “good” setup was way too rigid without any stretch whatsoever. Put a fluoro leader on and like magic, I was catching fish again.
Thanks!
Thank you for the support Arthur. Means a lot
Do that line test but with mono line
Copolys overall will beat mono if he test them both side by side. I’ve tested them and seen others test them.
It would be better if he did braid
@@LJB. a braid test would take a lot of time to test if done correctly. Braid last a long time and changes over time. From its stiffness and wind knots and to its color retention. He’d also need to test 4 carriers separately from the 8 carriers. I use 4 carriers in grass and 8 in open water.
@@LJB. He should do both
To save even more money on braid , when you go to respool with new and your spool on the reel is still full enough, Walk the line out in your yard, clip at the knot then go find the old end and retire from there and reel it all back on.
I hate the spring in mono and fcarb. It's hard to teach kids with, I always use braid for youth fishing. I use braid basically for everything, unless steelhead fishing or in super clear slow water. After you get good with braid, choose the right diameter and know your techniques, I see little need for anything else.
As a recreational fisher, I use mono or copolymer on all my vintage stuff and braid on the UL and spinning reels. Steel wire or line as leader. Used fluoro leader one time, and after 3 northern pikes, the leader broke, with scratches like tooth marks all over the last 2 inches..
Probably the best video about fishing line I have seen. Great video ! Thanks
I would love to see a real test between Monofilament vs Fluorocarbon. I really think there is such a big misconception where we were sold a bill of goods with Fluorocarbon. Stretch, abrasion resistance, and invisibility benefits (if any) over mono in my opinion are simply marketing ploys to make us spend a ridiculous amount of money for something that isn't any better. Fishermen are more gullible than the fish when it comes to being lured in. I'm guilty of it too.
Thanks once again for the great video. But I did see many tests that show how floro is less abrasant resistant than mono 🤷♂
Ive seen those too. The mono was more abrasion resisted by a pretty wide margin.
I remember many years ago rods were shorter like 5.5' or 6'. Now I found then that longer rods like 6.5" to over 7' worked much better for me and a fast tip rod I don't care what bait I used. The first time I used braid after I never used anything else. Casting distance improved and never tangled like mono can knots never fail if you tie them right.
I like to use ''line butter'' .Its a line conditioner you spray on your spool at home and let sit overnight . I find it helps my mono stay manageable and healthy.
As a bank fisherman, I have had to break of hung up braid. I do find that it has some stretch. I need to remember to try to prove this on dry land.
Don't you HAVE to tie leaders for braid to? I keep searching if i absolurely have to use a leader with braid and i'm finding no answers
Thanks for the excellent recap Tyler 👊 Good tips and a real reminder of the rod types with different lines 😎
I like to use braided line with some of that seaguar gold label that works perfect for almost all of my rods except the ones for deep drops and kite fishing I use braided and mono for top shot.
Now thats some great information. Never thought of that. Thanks you ❤❤❤
Can you load your spinning reel with fluorocarbon line as I have heard people say that you shouldn't use fluorocarbon on a spinning reel
All my spinning reels have fluoro. Get quality fluoro (Seaguar Basix is good enough but get better if you can). Spool it on correctly and keep plenty of tension on it. I hold my line directly with a wet rag while spooling. Your reel should be turning the same direction as the line is coming off the factory spool.
Absolutely correct on line vs rod and hooks but I put hot water on maxima and it goes limp as a noodle
Great vid on lines. The testing you did on the lines was very thorough and really enjoyed it. Keep up the great work and awesome vids👍
Something else I notice.. If your lure is hooked the keeper and the line is really tight across the tip eye for a long time.. it makes a weak spot in the line.
Great video!
One of the best fishing channels on TH-cam, great job
One of the best on TH-cam. Thanks Tyler! 👍🏻
Braid on reel to swivel. And leader are usually flo or copolymer for me. Seems to work great
Braid is the to go for me and I use fluoro leader to make sure that there are still a little bit of stretch to the leader and it helps with getting out of the situation when u hooked onto a rock
Man I’ve been fishing for 5 years and this was the MOST informative video I’ve seen
Very good description and very helpful and important for beginners. Thanks Mark Bezzina Malta
I’m no tournament fisherman but I love the fluoro been using the same spool for about two years now
What should I be throwing mid depth crank baits on? I know I probably shouldn’t be using braid but I like the sensitivity it gives me. I can feel every rock and piece of grass. I usually use braid with a very long mono leader and a softer parabolic rod. When I use mono, I can’t feel anything, not even the wiggle of the bait. Should I be using fluorocarbon lone for this.
I personally use copolymer for pretty much everything except situations where I need braid. I use Trilene sensation and izorline xxx. (Actual copolymer, not that coated crap) I've had way better luck using these lines than I ever have with mono or flouro. You get the best of both worlds, pretty much all of the benefits of both, but no negatives. Cool video man.
Been using izore for awhile best move I made
@@thomasharris2919 I've tried a couple dozen lines over the years and izorline is the one I always find myself going back to. Trilene sensation and McCoys is good too. They're pretty similar but I've had the best luck with izorline.
Fishing Bonito on the jetty which leader should I used ? You thing 20 lbs. monofilament will do the trick? I know Bonito has a sharp eyes and very picky if they see you line. Please advise thanks !
I ditched the Seaguar Red Label I was running and ordered some of that SPRO fluorocarbon based on the findings from your last video on fishing line.
You have a sinking monofilament too.
Medium range monofilament is $5+ for 150m (meters).
Really good quality monofilament is $10+ for 150m.
In my experience, anything under $5 is mostly junk. Especially since I mostly use 0.14. And that in a type of fishing where you usually have bigger and more aggressive fish than in the average bass fishing.
After watching your video, I've realised how I'm keeping my spools to be cooked in the trunk of my car, under the sun in the parking lot...
Great pieces of advice. Thank you!
Have to say this is an awesome informative video. Excellent as always!!. Have to say this is an awesome informative video. Excellent as always!!.
What would you chose as an "all-purpose" fishing line for a bug-out-bag? One type, length and test/strength?
Mono
@@johnnycash7803 Thank you< Sir! what test would you recommend?
My braided line it won’t be loose and I will have it tight on my spool but every time I use it I go to cast and it catches and just snaps my lure off what am I doing wrong?
Same thing happened to me with 12lb braid, although it snapped at the reel instead of the lure. I got to watch a brand new Mepps 4 hum across the river first cast. I’d also like to know where I went wrong as it was new line I had only ran for around 2 weeks.
If your using a baitcaster you want 30-50 pound braid or 12-20 pound flouro
@@rileywallin3706 I’m using 30 pound braid and it just snaps off and sends my lure across the water
Check the guides on your rod you might have a nick caused by storing your hook on the inside of the guide..
@@jasonbell9492you probably have a chipped guide that is cutting ur line
So what is the best hooks to use with braided line on a open face
So is monofilament actually useful? I don't see a point to use it (except for leaders) when you have copolymer and braid which both do the same thing monofilament does, but better.
Tyler this is great video ,you just helped me so much. I can't spool my reels with floro because it's so springy, I do use braid to floro on every thing with no problem. Tyler do you have any suggestions ,David
This is a great lecture! 👍👍👍
I keep having problem with my floro brecking down in my spool reel. Why is that? Mostly been buying seagar red label
Super cool! Hey question I just got a 7’2 heavy Ark Catalyzer Rod, I see that you use ark a lot and I got one I’m making it an all purpose rod, and thinking of running 15-17lb fluorocarbon what do you think?
I’m using 100% braid, with mono or copoly leader on both spinning and bait caster, I’ve tried floro as full spool and as a leader and don’t like it. I can’t justify the cost of the premium stuff.
Is there a all around line a new freshwater fishing guy should start with? I am a big saltwater fisherman and just starting to get into freshwater
NEED HELP: Line recommendations for the following rods: Shimano Terez 8' , Medium Power, ExtraFast Action Braided line 20-50 Lbs paired with Deiwa Lexa 300 HD. Other rod is Terez 7', Medium Heavy Power, Fast Action, 40 -80 Lbs with Accurate Fury 2speed 500. What do you recommend?
That was so informative. Thank you!
Monofilament can be found in any dictionary. I'm old enough to have read a few. A single strand of a certain material or blend of certain materials, metal or plastic. Hence the 'Mono' in monofilament. As to fishing line, DuPont created the first monofilament, and it was nylon. Nylon, as a sole component is a very rare item these days. Although a couple exist, I only know of SunLine Pure, and it's a dream to handle on spin-cast & spinning reels.
Flourocarbon and all co-polymers are monofilament plastic lines. Some co-polys are extruded with a flourocarbon coating or blended with flourocarbon, but are still monofilament lines. All co-polys are some blend of a variety of plastics intended to achieve some specific result or tendency in use. Some float, some sink very quickly, some stretch, some have near no stretch. Some are stiff, others, varying degrees of limpness. All are monofilament lines... Not simply "mono-component" strands.
"Braids" might encompass fused filaments or braided filaments. They may or may not be coated for any desired reason, but usually to make them flow more smoothly & quietly through the guides. These were evolved into "super-lines", generally Dyneema or Spectra fibers, all originating from the creation of Kevlar. I started in the early 50's fishing with a Dacron braid, colored in a camo pattern, and today it is still used in saltwater angling behind long mono, stretchy "shock-leaders" and in flyfishing as backing on the reel. Like today's 'braids' super-sensitive, very tough lines and I had great success with it.
Pure Nylon monos, after a couple casts, absorbed water, and they were very stretchy, but I never once had a pigtail nor line jump off a spool...manageability was great. Thus were born graphite & boron rods (mine was solid fiberglass, my Dad's was steel), to enhance sensitivity. The main downside to nylon was after a day's use, it would dry and shrink. This may and did crush many new plastic/graphite/pot-metal arbors on low-cost spinning reels, the cheap metal arbors on low cost bait-casting or trolling reels, and wood arbors on some salt-reels, mitigated by using Dacron as backing for the long nylon shock leader. My Dad's deep water lake trout reel sported steel wire monofilament with a crimped mono nylon shock leader to enhance rapid descent to the desired depth. His routine success was appreciated by his family at the table.
Co-polys are a monofilament, but with a variety of plastics blended into the liquid, including flourocarbon, so as to minimize or enhance certain characteristics and then are extruded as a homogenized single strand of a certain blend of materials. Pure flourocarbon is no different, as manufacturers attempt to alter the characteristics to achieve certain goals.
Thank you for the information,very informative
I love fishing,thank you for all info
Just getting back into FISHING and knowing the game has changed. Is it better to Run Straight Braid or Florcarbon or Run with a Liter for Bass Fishing.
What LB Test is now best living up in Northeast New England
I m bigenner and I m fishing in salt water I use nylon line for years by washing the ligne with drink water and keeping it freech is it true!!! For you
Which is the best for freshwater??
I use either mono or braid, typically no leader. I tie a palomar knot except for my ultra light stuff, I use a clinch knot for that. Probably a forbidden sun among pro anglers but I still catch plenty of fish
So do you think the leader is a myth? I just started fishing 2 months ago and I use braid but I haven't caught a fish yet
It's not a myth. It's just more of a diminishing gains kind of thing. Some fish will care, some won't. If you're fishing for money, it's best to maximize advantages. If you're new and still not catching, it's probably as much to do with your current lack of knowledge of your area as much as anything else. You can look on youtube for ideas to try and general knowledge. But unless you have buddies in your area that can guide you in the right direction, it's a ton of trial and error. Don't get discouraged. It takes a lot of time and patience. Once you start hooking some, something will click in your brain, and it will get a lot easier. Tyler has a saying that I like. "You'll catch more bass throwing the wrong bait in the right area. You won't catch any bass throwing the right bait in the wrong area." Focus on finding where they are right now in your area. You'll get there, just keep a line in the water.
@@ryanburns3921 Yes sir! Thanks for the response and I am definitely doing a lot of homework and lots of fishing. I know I will catch some fish soon, I'm learning more about them and how they live and just trying to put everything together. The main thing is I love it and my son and I get to hang out and learn this stuff together, good times.
You mentioned downsizing hooks on top waters. Do u think whopper ploppers have way too big of hooks? I switched to g finesse trebles, I use braid on them, is this smart?
I keep it simple Berkeley trilene xl in different weights for everything except braid for frogs and suffix promix for shakyheads
B I spin for AUSTRALIAN salmon I use a 9 ft 6 ,, rod ,and my reel diwia bg 5000dawia reel loaded up with 40lb pe braid 4 strand works well throwing 85 gm lures to the first break.
Can I get a copolymer line with 0.010 mm ? How and where can I buy such strong and affordable price?
I use braid and don't loose fish plus I get great casting distance
What is the knot strength difference in all the lines? And tell them not to use the same knots with mono than braid or fluorocarbon and or copolomar.
Have to say this is an awesome informative video. Excellent as always!!
one thing to note is that modern mono is actually very good. Like Sufix Elite or Seige, its strong and casts smooth. Its not like your Grandpa's old slinky like crappy mono lol
Good Stuff Tyler, Thanks you for making it.
Basic rule of thumb is a s long as you know what you're line is doing you can get things to work. Little lighter jig or weigh on your texas rig. Little heavier. We budget anglers no this big time. 👍
Tyler have you ever fished in Columbus? If so where is a good spot to bank fish for some tournament size bass?
What line do you recommend for throwing buzz baits? I have strait mono at the moment on a 7’ MH fast action rod. I haven’t been pleased with my results yet. Help please!👍🏻🎣🇺🇸
He likes straight 30lb braid, he mentions in a recent video. Medium heavy rod best with quick hook penetration because of the braid
Braid to mono leader or straight flouro if its only buzz baits (ploppers you might pauses in your retrieves) hope this helps
@@BlairEricksonFishing thank you 👍🏻🎣🇺🇸
@@kyleisaho-chunk8040 thank you 👍🏻🎣🇺🇸
I think your vid is great but, one of the most important things you didn't cover is knot strength. Since we all have to tie one maybe cover not just the knots but how well each line handles knots.
Ranked by importance:
#1) Your hook
#2) The line
#3) YOU
Didn't even realize I was watching a add
Great job dropping in the advertising
Does copolymer float or sink? Ive never used the stuff
Do you use straight braid on your top water baits in clear water?
Once the carbon or mano line stretches with every and all big fish you catch it will eventually snap it’s not like it contracts back to normal after
so much tension and stress!
Taking notes over here, great video!
One thing that no-one ever touches on is mono is elastic, floro is not .
Is that to say mono tolerates repeated stretching better (where fluoro would weaken substantially each time it gets stretched)?
I've seen information/video showing mono and fluoro are essentially the same regarding stretch, but mono is more abrasion resistant. Salt strong I think. Lots of salt water guys don't use fluoro in grabby situations.
@@tedjohansen6535 when they’re fully stretched, they will not return to their original shape.
I use my braid for the 7th season and still looks and performs great
I like your test and assessment however, copolymer is not a fluorocarbon coated monofilament. It is a nylon monofilament with multiple nylon resins. For example the original nylon monofilament was typically Nylon6 it was strong but had a lot of stretch and is highly absorbent. In the late 70’s or early 80’s extruders began mixing resins to create monofilament with better characteristics for sport fishing. The result was copolymers or multiple resin lines. Most premium monofilament lines today are Nylon6-66, Nylon6-12 or Nylon6-66-12. Adding Nylon 66 and 12 offered higher abrasion, less stretch, less water absorption and higher tensile strength. Nylon6-66 is the most common copolymer for spooling and leader because it is supple, strong, stretches less and has good abrasion resistance. Nylon 6-12 is primarily a leader material because it is very dense, strong and abrasion resistant but has more memory. It is an excellent material for large billfish leader and a prime example is Momoi Xtra Hard.
I USE BRAIDED ON EVERYTHING AND LOVE IT, SWIVELS TOO. LAZY FISHERMAN HERE.
Thanks for sharing!
Flourocarbon has way more stretch when you actually test it vs mono or copolymer
This sounds awesome but it won’t work out here in the UK and Europe
7:02 i love line that is affordabe! :)
Always a good one thanks ty