WOW - response to this has been huge! The comments are amazing - really appreciate you all more than you know. Couple things: 1) I have no idea what this mouse is that everyone's talking about. What mouse? 2) The Salvation has some challenges for case dampening due to the leaf spring mount and all the switches weren't lubed or rotated for the vid, so I didn't want to sound check that setup bc I didn't think it was a fair representation of what's possible w the case swap. 3) I ordered a Tofu 60 case yesterday since I think that will be the most affordable/accessible/easily modded option for a lot of people. I'm gonna lube & rotate all these switches over the weekend and I'll start work on a short vid about HOW good I can get this to sound/feel in a custom case along w some shorts content for those of you that just want the sound test Hope everybody has a great weekend! -bp
This is exactly what i thought of when I realized this was a universal tray mount. Put this thing in a tofu 60, slap some gmk on there, and boom! New daily driver. I'm guessing you can spring swap these so dual stage 63.g sounds pretty nice eh?
😳blushing - coming from you, this means a lot to us. The team is elated. This is 6 years of hard work, building experience, and learning from challenging times. It's absolutely gratifying to see how you nailed the entire purpose of the Wooting 60HE.
I'm not one to heap a lot of praise for no reason, but when you earn it, you earn it. Your team knocked it out. 💪 Sidenote - HOW were you guys introducing new features WHILE I was in the process of auditing this thing?? Mad lads lol
as a web developer, the web configurator there made me smile a lot. its really cool to see a completely web-based interface, no electron, no other bs, just the webUSB api :)
There's also a configurator that you can install and run, guess what framework has been used... Now this is not unexpected as reusing the code of the web based configurator makes a lot of sense from a practical point of view.
Are you using the Wooting? I prefer this over the Apex Pro but the Steelseries has a TKL version with dedicated function keys. I’m afraid I’m going to miss those in IntelliJ when I decide to go with this KB.
Wow, absolutely stellar review. This is clearly a must buy, made by a company who takes the time to get it right, and reviewed by a critic who take the time to be well informed.
Wow. Normally when people say "___ is THE BEST ____" it's super subjective and rarely involves innovation or unique functionality, but honestly this board seems to break ground in a number of different ways. Impressive. Give me a 65% or 75% and Id probably pick one up.
Haha thanks yeah bold statement for sure, even by my standards, but I’m honestly just floored so see so much thought and *usable* features go into this thing
@@badseedtech Key words "usable features" pretty rare these days to find a product that has features that aren't solving a problem that hasn't just been invented. Great review as always.
I came from a TKL and honestly I don't want to go back. Mod tap for arrow keys, FN and the numbers are your f row, and FN backspace is Del. After a week it's all natural.
This video was super nostalgic for me. Really brought me back to the days when I found the channel for the first time. Loved this coverage and despite being knee deep in the customs side of things, this might be a 100% pickup for me. Too much good stuff here to pass up on.
Also, I’m looking at the order page, there’s ARM and AVR. This is new to me. I’m guessing you’re reviewing the AVR version? What advantages does ARM have?
100% agree. Really reminded me when companies were innovating to this level and that’s it would cover their new releases in such an in-depth and enjoyable way. I’m deep into customs too so I’m not sure if I’m going to pick up this board but it’s definitely awesome.
@@darkstrider13 it was a little wordy and confusing for the vid but the short of it is that the Arm models will hold more memory so they will be future proofed to a higher degree as Wooting inevitably continues to add more functionality. When I asked them, they said all AVR models should fit the current roadmap at least until early 2024
I can really tell a lot of thought and energy was put into making this video. You do great stuff Brian, and I really appreciate you. Also, this keyboard looks SICK.
I've always quietly cheered for smaller companies with unique products, and Wooting is no different. While their product isn't quite for me, I'm so incredibly excited they've been keeping at it and released such a solid hitter.
@@insulinaddict9586 yeah someone mentioned it in another comment. Thanks though young blood. Also just realized your name, I fckn love it. (u dont have diabx though right?)
Considering this keyboard’s competitor, apex pro mini being so overpriced, 200 bucks just for the wired, I see this keyboard as an absolute win for wooting
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Im selling all my shitty gaming keyboards like k100, razer analog, even apex pro cous wooting ist best they even have pbt keycaps for DE 🙂🙂
@ thx, i didnt know that. i almost settled with ordering ansi-us and trying to get used to it. BTW for my fellow ISO users: the other language options are only available on the ARM version.
I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't all that impressed until he got to the hotswap part, and then was blown away at case swapability and south facing rotation ability. That's genuinely impressive for a stock board.
What a BANGER review! i love that this thing is leading tech while also being as customizable as it is. Getting core badseedtech vibes on this and good to see you talking about the gaming space again. Great job B!
This board sounds like it would be a dream for fighting games. Being able to footsy back and forth faster than normal sanwa switches and damn near eliminating the travel time of specials to just your reaction time.
Fascinating how that escalated from "this is an extremely novel 'gaming' keyboard" to "this also has insane features that a $750 custom keyboard with none of the gaming features simply cannot do" Not at all the competitive gamer but this is actual innovation in the device space.
As a keyboard enthusiast, and someone who actually owns another Hall Effect board, I was pretty excited when I saw this thing drop. Especially when I realized the Lekker switches are manufactured by Gateron. Pretty cool stuff. As a gamer, I also appreciate a board with gaming oriented features. Had to preorder one of these, and fortunately I did, as they are going to be going up in prices. I went for the ARM version, so it'll be here later in the year, but a 2-3 month lead time is nothing when you are used to 1+ years for group buys... I'm pretty excited to try out analog as well, since my HE board I own now doesn't have it, but it looks cool, and I remember this being a huge selling point for the original Wooting boards, especially in games like CSGO.
Anyone else notice him using the unreleased Razer Deathadder V3 Pro? Timestamp at 4:08 into the video 🤯 But this was an amazing video as always @BadSeed Tech, hope to see more good stuff 👍
the first few sections, you introduced some tech that topped steelseries and razer. this caught my attention. i was completely unprepared and quite literally dropped my jaw the moment i realized how customizable this board is, from plates, sounds dampening, etc. my jaw only returned to my face when i starting typing this. impeccable category introductions and possibly the most fitting title. amazing as always brian.
My only downsides with this keyboard? Wish they had options between 60 and 100%. Like a 70% would be perfect for me. And that "Off-White inspired" strap is a really cool looking touch... but only on the 60% version?...
@@disadadi8958 I've seen so 😁 Doesn't look like it's coming with the strap either unfortunately... but I guess that makes more sense on the smallest version
That switch feature is amazing. I want this board now. I feel like I drift around 3d maps in a game while playing relaxed, and to have fast accurate movements takes so much energy, this switch can fix all of those problems for me. Good video.
Yeah, I'm a backer and I don't regret it, the overall package is really nice for a retail board. However I'm using variable actuation point a little bit different: I set it to 2.5 mm rather than the 1 mm default.
Great video! Can’t wait to see what people do with these. Wooting really outdoes themselves every time in this market. Hard to beat for the price point.
I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a keyboard as badly as I do this one. Holy hell what a great job done by wooting. Great review man, you broke everything down and explained it all so well. Legit stoped the video halfway to go look up this board lol
Dude, this is the first video of yours I'v ever seen, I have to say, you are a fantastic presenter. I'll definitely be subscribing and checking out more of your content. The keyboard looks great and you've done a great job densely packing in a lot of information in such a brief video.
I just want to say I was here before all the sponsors! I'm so glad to see you taking off Brian, you've been putting high quality content out from the fucking get go and I can't say how much I appreciate that enough. Awesome video, looking into getting one!
@@badseedtech Hey do you have any plans to review the Epomaker FIrstblood B67? It's an interesting keyboard and I'm super curious to see if it sounds awful or not...
Actually this might also be a game changer for the FGC. Fighting games also use "micro walk" inputs. Traditional arcade button switches like Sanwas are definitely not as refined as gaming keyboard switches.
This keyboard is actually on another level god damn. Now all they need to do is split the spacebar 2 or 3 ways somehow while keeping it somewhat natural and they have the best keyboard for gaming
I wasn't sold till the release point actuation change feature. If it works for you that could be absolutely game changing for valorant or for me for csgo. I'll be honest - I'm tempted.
Bro after watching I already wanted to buy it but I’m legit needing to buy IT the fact you can mod it on later is so nice they are pretty much ahead of everyone at the moment 😢❤ great review liked and subbed!
The keyboard in terms of functionality is impressive. It would be interesting to see if they can sell their pcb and switches separately. Considering these can go in 3rd party shell. Like you said the only gripe is it not being wireless. Which i guess if they release v2 with as wireless. This can be easily crown as best gaming keyboard hands down.
Due to the nature of the switches they would only sell the module as one piece. And they stated that it would still cost almost as much for just the module so you might as well get a case and cable with it.
@@underdoglucifer if you think about it thats where all the R&D is. The case and keycaps are all quality but they are not what you are buying the board for. The main cost is the Lekker Switch and the Firmware.
I've been in the hobby for over 2 years, but this stuff excites me. It's awesome how innovative this is and how we can actually gain some sort of advantage out of it.
Brian, of all the years I have been following your channel I have to say this is your best review to date and one that has be SALIVATING to get the product, I love it when the reviewer genuinely loves a product and it shows through. What sold me was the ability to rotate the switches around and being able to use different cases. Looking forward to you reviewing some wireless gaming headphones as it is a confusing market for me as a consumer and others I am sure.
This could be the best review you've ever made, BadSeed, and that is saying something. It may be because this is new tech and has a lot of depth, but man we're you thorough. Tech reviewing perfection right here, no cap at all.
Just preorderd this and bought the full size. Very rare for you to talk so highly about a board so I went all in on them. Hope it is as good as it looks.
Just got mine in and can confirm at Immortal rank in Valorant it's honestly kind of a game changer over my favorite custom keyboard I've been using, an NK65 with lubed silk red switches. It's a night and day different for strafe fights and for short peaking / counter strafing corners. I would love to know if anyone plans on / has switched the plate into another body and what the look, effect, feel etc. is because that's the one thing I slightly wish was different. Also considering lubing my switches a little bit more too but don't want to mess anything up - the stock ones sound alright but not as smooth as my NK65's. I would love to see a video about you modding this with other cases etc.
You cant mod the plate or the module in anyway like Brian said. If you do you'll likely brick the board since the distance between the plate and PCB are essential to the hall effect
As far as I am concerned, the whole "optical switches are faster" thing is borderline a scam. When you press a mechanical switch, the metal parts keep rattling and they may accidently touch each other more than once. That's why a simple code is added to the firmware; all it does is recognize when you press a specific button and ignores the next presses for the next couple of milliseconds in order to let the metal parts stop rattling. So basically you do not make the initial reaction slower, you just limit how fast you can press the same button twice (to a timeframe that is so small, you would never even notice it)
You are incorrect. While unnoticeable without testing, it is indeed faster on even the first click. The photoresistor in an optical switch is extremely sensitive and sends a "1" signal much faster than it takes for a mechanical switch to reach wetting current. Not to mention, the PTR starts getting light even before the plunger has fully even bottomed out. > 0.00000000001ms latency More like ~0.5ms faster response time, on just switch level, not even accounting for firmware delays.
I think the effect of low latency firmware and debounce delay is player specific. Commonly spammed keys being actuated quicker can’t be a bad thing. *Most* players probably won’t be affected by debounce delay, but some are.
That's actually not true. Most debounce is done by delaying the input for extra accuracy. Eager debounce (what you described) sends the change immediately and then ignores subsequent inputs, but it's still somewhat prone to accidental inputs and occasionally even double inputs. As you said, this changes the delay between inputs but not the initial input. Deferred debounce, which is the standard, detects the state change, then waits a set period of time to see if the state is the same, THEN sends it to the computer. This is better in terms of accuracy but adds some latency (5 ms being the standard debounce time for most enthusiast boards). You can also do asymmetrical debounce and do eager for actuation and deferred for release, which generally works pretty well IMO. In and of itself, that 5 ms is really not a big deal, but for whatever reason, there's also inherent latency in many keyboards as compared to many gaming keyboards. The lowest possible latency, even using eager debounce (or no debounce), on the GMMK Pro, for example, is around 6 ms, whereas the Logitech G915 is more like 2 ms or less. Again, I'm not saying that's a noticeable difference that anyone should care about, but it is there and some boards are much worse than that.
This is incorrect. Running the code in the firmware still adds around 1ms of delay which is why optical keyboards have lower latency. Even this Wooting keyboard still has a 0.7 ms delay however the adjustable actuation and rapid trigger still make it faster than an optical in the real world. However it will be difficult to notice a 1 ms difference but the only 1ms mechanical boards I am aware of are the expensive corsair boards.
@@nickglover For some reason I thought that the standard is Eager by now because the switch manufacturers have improved so much and false triggering isn't much of an issue anymore, but after taking a look at the documentation of QMK it looks like the default algorithm used by them is still the deferred. It's negligible, but it seems like I was wrong; the default debounce algorithm indeed slows mechanical keyboards that use QMK's default algorithm.
Okay i know the leker switches is super good for gaming , but the compatibility of its mounting system is and the switches can be rotated for south facing is mind blowing. As a gamer and a keyboard guy this is just crazy , the possibilities are insane.
@@GonexW Some cherry profile keycaps, mainly higher end stuff like GMK and EPBT have interference issues with north facing switches, where the keycap will hit the physical switch during actuation. This causes weird sounds, as well as a mushier bottom out as its not the switch bottoming out but the keycap hitting the switch. South facing switches, which is how mx switches and all mx clones are designed to be faced, does not have this problem. Hence most custom keyboard pcbs only offering south facing switch ports since cherry profile is the most common higher end keycap profile. The only reason gaming keyboards have north facing switches usually, is because the LED's are shown at the top in north facing configurations, which is better for rgb compatible keycaps. A non issue for custom keyboards.
I ordered one instantly after watching this review. I’ve been using duckyone2 minis for a while now and have been holding out on “custom” boards. I’m glad that I’ve waited because this is right up my alley, not fully custom but a damn good idea / design. I love it, can’t wait to get mine!
Wow, here's something you don't see everyday. From all the keyboard stuff out there this definitely stands out in function and is in a relatively universal form factor which allows for lots of custom stuff too. Very well thought out. Love the software customisation and best part doesn't need to be constantly running or even installed, simply awesome. Definitely going on the shortlist for "to buy" Thank you for showing it, well done
Don't have anything to say, but just leaving a comment for the YT algorithm.. Basically all the gear I got have come from your reviews! Your the man! Thx
I'm not even a hardcore gamer, but the browser feature that lets me change the board's setting WITHOUT having to install a dedicated software is enough to win me over. Really nice job!
I don't understand how everyone can claim that "you will feel the difference". No you won't feel the difference because you are a human and nothing you do with hardware will improve your natural reaction time. Nevermind the fact that distances and timings are so tiny that you are physically unable to notice. Is it a good keyboard? Sure it is, and I would recommend it over any Razer, Steelseries or Logitech for the mere fact that you can actually customize it, but other than that it really doesn't make a difference. The only useful use case scenario I can think of is actually INCREASING the actuation point so you won't accidentally press a key you didn't mean to press, but that's really it.
Great video and an even greater keyboard. Love when companies take the more customer-friendly, almost downright open-source approach to developing products. That way you get things that are performant and standardized at the same time. Kudos, Wooting.
You're the second techtuber I've seen that's SUPER hyped about the 60HE, it's fun to see something so good get released into the market 😁 I wish they'd release a 75% version
I don’t know why but this video is making me nostalgic of when I first found your channel and it’s amazing. Also holy shit good video , the most detailed review I’ve seen on 60hd easily.
Really incredible video. It reminds me of a lot of your older videos which covered new and innovative peripherals. With most peripheral companies being very stale right now, this new release and video felt like a breath of fresh air. I really love the effort that you put into this video, it was a joy to watch. It’s awesome how they really made this board perfect while also thinking about the custom market. Keep it up! 🔥
Best detailed exceptional truth telling review i ever saw for a keyboard and i watched a lot of yt woowoo keyboard reviews 30+....i will get my hands on one of those
Very exciting video and board. Loved how genuinely hyped you were about the board and it's features and the in-depth breakdown. Best critic and reviewer in the game hands down
This keyboard review is an absolute masterpiece! The attention to detail and the passion for the subject shine through. You definitely earned a subs. 👍🏼
i just got this keyboard and i am just amazed by the hardware and software quality, have not seen anything like this during the years with razer and logitech keyboards...
Great review man! Your videos really reflect your passion and it's awesome to see a review/product with a perfect "score". Keep up the excellent work brother.
This review has sold me..... on the Wooting Two HE 😂 Finally, FINALLY someone makes a balls to the wall custom fullsize keyboard with some crazy mod potential. Id love to run with a 60% but when Im not gaming, Im stockbroking lol. Simply cannot do away with a full size and most fullsizes are cherry MX switch only (or light switches) and simply just sell on macros or RGB effect profiles. Wooting, a brand Ive never heard of before today, is the 1st brand that gives you everything they possibly can to give you a crazy tangible gaming advantage with freaking HALL EFFECT KEYS 🤯 but at a price that is frankly shocking for what they are putting in that keyboard. Astounding it can be done this cheap, real testament to the teams efforts in production design, streamlining and cutting a little margin to get the fullsize out at an affordable price and into hands. Crazy props, Buying one right now after watching this review and then reading their article about their production hell for it.
WOW - response to this has been huge! The comments are amazing - really appreciate you all more than you know. Couple things:
1) I have no idea what this mouse is that everyone's talking about. What mouse?
2) The Salvation has some challenges for case dampening due to the leaf spring mount and all the switches weren't lubed or rotated for the vid, so I didn't want to sound check that setup bc I didn't think it was a fair representation of what's possible w the case swap.
3) I ordered a Tofu 60 case yesterday since I think that will be the most affordable/accessible/easily modded option for a lot of people. I'm gonna lube & rotate all these switches over the weekend and I'll start work on a short vid about HOW good I can get this to sound/feel in a custom case along w some shorts content for those of you that just want the sound test
Hope everybody has a great weekend! -bp
Maybe they are talking about the new mz1 wirless mice
I think the mouse people are referring to is the silver and gold engraved looking one. It's very eye catching.
This is exactly what i thought of when I realized this was a universal tray mount. Put this thing in a tofu 60, slap some gmk on there, and boom! New daily driver. I'm guessing you can spring swap these so dual stage 63.g sounds pretty nice eh?
Maybe the new DeathAdder!?🧐🤫
Swiftpoint Z is the mouse in question
😳blushing - coming from you, this means a lot to us. The team is elated. This is 6 years of hard work, building experience, and learning from challenging times. It's absolutely gratifying to see how you nailed the entire purpose of the Wooting 60HE.
I'm not one to heap a lot of praise for no reason, but when you earn it, you earn it. Your team knocked it out. 💪 Sidenote - HOW were you guys introducing new features WHILE I was in the process of auditing this thing?? Mad lads lol
Please consider a Tsangan bottom row layout for custom keyboard enjoyers
It's a woot for wooting! Nicely done
Verdorie, nu wil ik er één!
Nice keyboard honestly!
as a web developer, the web configurator there made me smile a lot. its really cool to see a completely web-based interface, no electron, no other bs, just the webUSB api :)
There's also a configurator that you can install and run, guess what framework has been used... Now this is not unexpected as reusing the code of the web based configurator makes a lot of sense from a practical point of view.
Are you using the Wooting? I prefer this over the Apex Pro but the Steelseries has a TKL version with dedicated function keys. I’m afraid I’m going to miss those in IntelliJ when I decide to go with this KB.
@@TH-camGetsWorseEveryUpdate theres a full size if you like them
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Interesting that Mozilla doesn't support this. ⚠️
Wow, absolutely stellar review. This is clearly a must buy, made by a company who takes the time to get it right, and reviewed by a critic who take the time to be well informed.
Thanks for the kind words, man! 🙏🏼
Jesus loves you alot trust in His death 4 salvation and be saved from eternal hell
Thanks for the tip about rotating the switches to make them work with GMK keycaps!
Wow. Normally when people say "___ is THE BEST ____" it's super subjective and rarely involves innovation or unique functionality, but honestly this board seems to break ground in a number of different ways. Impressive. Give me a 65% or 75% and Id probably pick one up.
Haha thanks yeah bold statement for sure, even by my standards, but I’m honestly just floored so see so much thought and *usable* features go into this thing
@@badseedtech Key words "usable features" pretty rare these days to find a product that has features that aren't solving a problem that hasn't just been invented. Great review as always.
I came from a TKL and honestly I don't want to go back. Mod tap for arrow keys, FN and the numbers are your f row, and FN backspace is Del. After a week it's all natural.
What's the game at 5:37?
@@snakejuce battlefield 2042, I paid $160 CAD for this shit game...
This really is the most innovative board I’ve seen in a long time. Worth the purchase to me 100%. Wooting is doing really great things.
This looks like the new gold standard in keyboards. Wooting have made everything else look like a relic with this one.
Great video. I also remember Hausgaming covering this keyboard manufacturer and that's what made me hooked!
Haus is a beast! He actually helped me get the overlay in Valorant sorted for this video
I called my mom and told her what I want for Christmas, she said, dude you are 35 now, you can buy the Wooting yourself.
She is right
This is my favorite comment of the day so far 💀💀
This is the best no-nonsense tech vid I've seen around TH-cam in ages. I learned a lot and I was interested the whole time.
🙏🏼🙏🏼 thanks brother. Sorry I didn’t hit you back yesterday, was filming all day
Wow they really made every right decision with this thing not just for gamers but enthusiasts too. Really want my hands on one now.
This video was super nostalgic for me. Really brought me back to the days when I found the channel for the first time. Loved this coverage and despite being knee deep in the customs side of things, this might be a 100% pickup for me. Too much good stuff here to pass up on.
Also, I’m looking at the order page, there’s ARM and AVR. This is new to me. I’m guessing you’re reviewing the AVR version? What advantages does ARM have?
Thank you so much brother. FELT really good to make this.
100% agree. Really reminded me when companies were innovating to this level and that’s it would cover their new releases in such an in-depth and enjoyable way. I’m deep into customs too so I’m not sure if I’m going to pick up this board but it’s definitely awesome.
@@darkstrider13 it was a little wordy and confusing for the vid but the short of it is that the Arm models will hold more memory so they will be future proofed to a higher degree as Wooting inevitably continues to add more functionality. When I asked them, they said all AVR models should fit the current roadmap at least until early 2024
Did any one see the Razer deathadder v3 pro? 🤯 4:10
I can really tell a lot of thought and energy was put into making this video. You do great stuff Brian, and I really appreciate you.
Also, this keyboard looks SICK.
Thanks! I had a blast with this one. Awesome to see something really push the industry forward for a change
I've always quietly cheered for smaller companies with unique products, and Wooting is no different. While their product isn't quite for me, I'm so incredibly excited they've been keeping at it and released such a solid hitter.
Such a amazingly thorough video! I feel like I know exactly what this is about without even holding one in my hand
Coming from the scientist himself, I’ll take that as a very high compliment! 😁🙏🏼
wooting really be taking in it to the next level with their work
A gaming keyboard that can be customized in both software and hardware sounds amazing. Even the switches can be pulled out for lubing, damn.
What's the game at 5:37?
@@snakejuce looks like battlefield
@@insulinaddict9586 yeah someone mentioned it in another comment. Thanks though young blood. Also just realized your name, I fckn love it. (u dont have diabx though right?)
Considering this keyboard’s competitor, apex pro mini being so overpriced, 200 bucks just for the wired, I see this keyboard as an absolute win for wooting
Im selling all my shitty gaming keyboards like k100, razer analog, even apex pro cous wooting ist best they even have pbt keycaps for DE 🙂🙂
For real, it blows them out of the water. No competiton.
@ indeed, Hall effects can last u years, and I mean it, it can last u for over 1 billion key strokes and that’s an understatement.
@ thx, i didnt know that. i almost settled with ordering ansi-us and trying to get used to it. BTW for my fellow ISO users: the other language options are only available on the ARM version.
I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't all that impressed until he got to the hotswap part, and then was blown away at case swapability and south facing rotation ability. That's genuinely impressive for a stock board.
This is insane, thank you so much. Incredible to see all the details we obsess over every day highlighted here.
❤️
dope to see technological improvements like this in an age where it feels like a lot of stuff is plateauing on progression
What a BANGER review! i love that this thing is leading tech while also being as customizable as it is. Getting core badseedtech vibes on this and good to see you talking about the gaming space again. Great job B!
My man. Appreciate you
This board sounds like it would be a dream for fighting games. Being able to footsy back and forth faster than normal sanwa switches and damn near eliminating the travel time of specials to just your reaction time.
Even better,you can roast your opponents in chat while racing... XD
Fascinating how that escalated from "this is an extremely novel 'gaming' keyboard" to "this also has insane features that a $750 custom keyboard with none of the gaming features simply cannot do"
Not at all the competitive gamer but this is actual innovation in the device space.
It's feels so good to be alive at this moment and SEE this!
As a keyboard enthusiast, and someone who actually owns another Hall Effect board, I was pretty excited when I saw this thing drop. Especially when I realized the Lekker switches are manufactured by Gateron. Pretty cool stuff. As a gamer, I also appreciate a board with gaming oriented features. Had to preorder one of these, and fortunately I did, as they are going to be going up in prices. I went for the ARM version, so it'll be here later in the year, but a 2-3 month lead time is nothing when you are used to 1+ years for group buys... I'm pretty excited to try out analog as well, since my HE board I own now doesn't have it, but it looks cool, and I remember this being a huge selling point for the original Wooting boards, especially in games like CSGO.
Anyone else notice him using the unreleased Razer Deathadder V3 Pro? Timestamp at 4:08 into the video 🤯
But this was an amazing video as always @BadSeed Tech, hope to see more good stuff 👍
Sneaking the deathadder v3 pro in the vid 🧐 It's beautiful
the first few sections, you introduced some tech that topped steelseries and razer. this caught my attention. i was completely unprepared and quite literally dropped my jaw the moment i realized how customizable this board is, from plates, sounds dampening, etc. my jaw only returned to my face when i starting typing this. impeccable category introductions and possibly the most fitting title. amazing as always brian.
My only downsides with this keyboard? Wish they had options between 60 and 100%. Like a 70% would be perfect for me. And that "Off-White inspired" strap is a really cool looking touch... but only on the 60% version?...
70%-75% keyboards are overlooked imo, those are the perfect sizes for me below TKL
80% launching soon
@@disadadi8958 I've seen so 😁 Doesn't look like it's coming with the strap either unfortunately... but I guess that makes more sense on the smallest version
That switch feature is amazing. I want this board now. I feel like I drift around 3d maps in a game while playing relaxed, and to have fast accurate movements takes so much energy, this switch can fix all of those problems for me. Good video.
Yeah, I'm a backer and I don't regret it, the overall package is really nice for a retail board. However I'm using variable actuation point a little bit different: I set it to 2.5 mm rather than the 1 mm default.
Just opened mine up today, upgrading from a Corsair K70 mini pro. Already in love and I can back the hype I keep seeing.
while this board probably wouldn't fit my use case, i love to see wooting innovating and improving with their boards. keep it up yall!
Awesome review and description as always..... looking forward to feeling the speed.
Great video! Can’t wait to see what people do with these. Wooting really outdoes themselves every time in this market. Hard to beat for the price point.
I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a keyboard as badly as I do this one. Holy hell what a great job done by wooting. Great review man, you broke everything down and explained it all so well. Legit stoped the video halfway to go look up this board lol
Love the idea of using a browser to adjust settings to limit dumb software I need to run all the time
Same!
Dude I've been dreaming of a solution for analog movement for mouse keyboard. I hope this becomes a common adoption.
I’m just hoping that the custom keyboard community embraces the switch technology so that there are more options for switch type and sound
Dude, this is the first video of yours I'v ever seen, I have to say, you are a fantastic presenter. I'll definitely be subscribing and checking out more of your content.
The keyboard looks great and you've done a great job densely packing in a lot of information in such a brief video.
4:12 wait a minute. That isnt the Viper V2 Pro.
I just want to say I was here before all the sponsors! I'm so glad to see you taking off Brian, you've been putting high quality content out from the fucking get go and I can't say how much I appreciate that enough. Awesome video, looking into getting one!
Tysm! 🙏🏼
@@badseedtech Hey do you have any plans to review the Epomaker FIrstblood B67? It's an interesting keyboard and I'm super curious to see if it sounds awful or not...
Actually this might also be a game changer for the FGC. Fighting games also use "micro walk" inputs. Traditional arcade button switches like Sanwas are definitely not as refined as gaming keyboard switches.
the only review that describes these modability features, some people dont even show u that u can lube it or remove the switches.
This keyboard is actually on another level god damn.
Now all they need to do is split the spacebar 2 or 3 ways somehow while keeping it somewhat natural and they have the best keyboard for gaming
That’s a really common request. Wooting does have a habit of listening to stuff like that
im glad i held off on buying a new keyboard. this looks great.
I wasn't sold till the release point actuation change feature.
If it works for you that could be absolutely game changing for valorant or for me for csgo.
I'll be honest - I'm tempted.
I had mine delivered yesterday, looking forward to using it. Thanks for the video, it was very helpful.
4:09 The new Deathadder V3?
Bro after watching I already wanted to buy it but I’m legit needing to buy IT the fact you can mod it on later is so nice they are pretty much ahead of everyone at the moment 😢❤ great review liked and subbed!
The keyboard in terms of functionality is impressive. It would be interesting to see if they can sell their pcb and switches separately. Considering these can go in 3rd party shell. Like you said the only gripe is it not being wireless. Which i guess if they release v2 with as wireless. This can be easily crown as best gaming keyboard hands down.
Due to the nature of the switches they would only sell the module as one piece. And they stated that it would still cost almost as much for just the module so you might as well get a case and cable with it.
@@moonmessiah9368 understandable considering if the module already cost so much
@@underdoglucifer if you think about it thats where all the R&D is. The case and keycaps are all quality but they are not what you are buying the board for. The main cost is the Lekker Switch and the Firmware.
I've been in the hobby for over 2 years, but this stuff excites me. It's awesome how innovative this is and how we can actually gain some sort of advantage out of it.
I'm just waiting for them to make a 75% version
I've watched pretty much every keyboard video you've put out and THIS is finally the one you sold me on. I'm pretty partial to TKL though....
4:11
Hold up what do i see here ???
You see nothing lmao
Brian, of all the years I have been following your channel I have to say this is your best review to date and one that has be SALIVATING to get the product, I love it when the reviewer genuinely loves a product and it shows through. What sold me was the ability to rotate the switches around and being able to use different cases. Looking forward to you reviewing some wireless gaming headphones as it is a confusing market for me as a consumer and others I am sure.
9:00 is this stock stabs? which stabs would you take.... bcus wooting also said they have already tried to look for the best stabs in their vids
Those are the stock stabs yeah. The factory lube was ...generous lol. I honestly wouldn't even change them bc they fit the plate so well.
This could be the best review you've ever made, BadSeed, and that is saying something. It may be because this is new tech and has a lot of depth, but man we're you thorough. Tech reviewing perfection right here, no cap at all.
Thanks a million. 🙏🏼 That means a lot fr
4:10
deathadder v3 ?
Just like the last vid amazing chill yet hype work amazing review also 12:40 such A SMOOTH SEGWAY hot damn🔥
and we STILL dont have a 75%
Just preorderd this and bought the full size. Very rare for you to talk so highly about a board so I went all in on them. Hope it is as good as it looks.
which switch opener do you use or can recommend?
You can use an mx style - even dirt cheap plastic ones. I use a very expensive Gateron opener but its not necessary
Just got mine in and can confirm at Immortal rank in Valorant it's honestly kind of a game changer over my favorite custom keyboard I've been using, an NK65 with lubed silk red switches. It's a night and day different for strafe fights and for short peaking / counter strafing corners. I would love to know if anyone plans on / has switched the plate into another body and what the look, effect, feel etc. is because that's the one thing I slightly wish was different. Also considering lubing my switches a little bit more too but don't want to mess anything up - the stock ones sound alright but not as smooth as my NK65's. I would love to see a video about you modding this with other cases etc.
You cant mod the plate or the module in anyway like Brian said. If you do you'll likely brick the board since the distance between the plate and PCB are essential to the hall effect
As far as I am concerned, the whole "optical switches are faster" thing is borderline a scam. When you press a mechanical switch, the metal parts keep rattling and they may accidently touch each other more than once. That's why a simple code is added to the firmware; all it does is recognize when you press a specific button and ignores the next presses for the next couple of milliseconds in order to let the metal parts stop rattling. So basically you do not make the initial reaction slower, you just limit how fast you can press the same button twice (to a timeframe that is so small, you would never even notice it)
You are incorrect. While unnoticeable without testing, it is indeed faster on even the first click.
The photoresistor in an optical switch is extremely sensitive and sends a "1" signal much faster than it takes for a mechanical switch to reach wetting current. Not to mention, the PTR starts getting light even before the plunger has fully even bottomed out.
> 0.00000000001ms latency
More like ~0.5ms faster response time, on just switch level, not even accounting for firmware delays.
I think the effect of low latency firmware and debounce delay is player specific. Commonly spammed keys being actuated quicker can’t be a bad thing. *Most* players probably won’t be affected by debounce delay, but some are.
That's actually not true. Most debounce is done by delaying the input for extra accuracy. Eager debounce (what you described) sends the change immediately and then ignores subsequent inputs, but it's still somewhat prone to accidental inputs and occasionally even double inputs. As you said, this changes the delay between inputs but not the initial input. Deferred debounce, which is the standard, detects the state change, then waits a set period of time to see if the state is the same, THEN sends it to the computer. This is better in terms of accuracy but adds some latency (5 ms being the standard debounce time for most enthusiast boards). You can also do asymmetrical debounce and do eager for actuation and deferred for release, which generally works pretty well IMO.
In and of itself, that 5 ms is really not a big deal, but for whatever reason, there's also inherent latency in many keyboards as compared to many gaming keyboards. The lowest possible latency, even using eager debounce (or no debounce), on the GMMK Pro, for example, is around 6 ms, whereas the Logitech G915 is more like 2 ms or less. Again, I'm not saying that's a noticeable difference that anyone should care about, but it is there and some boards are much worse than that.
This is incorrect. Running the code in the firmware still adds around 1ms of delay which is why optical keyboards have lower latency. Even this Wooting keyboard still has a 0.7 ms delay however the adjustable actuation and rapid trigger still make it faster than an optical in the real world. However it will be difficult to notice a 1 ms difference but the only 1ms mechanical boards I am aware of are the expensive corsair boards.
@@nickglover For some reason I thought that the standard is Eager by now because the switch manufacturers have improved so much and false triggering isn't much of an issue anymore, but after taking a look at the documentation of QMK it looks like the default algorithm used by them is still the deferred. It's negligible, but it seems like I was wrong; the default debounce algorithm indeed slows mechanical keyboards that use QMK's default algorithm.
Brian’s reco works for me. Purchased. Can’t wait to get this on my desk!!
Best? That's a huge statement, my man.
Best is highly subjective
@@leviathanpriim3951 Is it not Favourite is highly subjective?
Maybe watch the video before commenting num nuts
Huge statement indeed. Honestly feel like there’s nothing better out there at this point specifically for gaming
Okay i know the leker switches is super good for gaming , but the compatibility of its mounting system is and the switches can be rotated for south facing is mind blowing. As a gamer and a keyboard guy this is just crazy , the possibilities are insane.
I don’t really get the south facing thing what does it really do?
@@GonexW Some cherry profile keycaps, mainly higher end stuff like GMK and EPBT have interference issues with north facing switches, where the keycap will hit the physical switch during actuation. This causes weird sounds, as well as a mushier bottom out as its not the switch bottoming out but the keycap hitting the switch. South facing switches, which is how mx switches and all mx clones are designed to be faced, does not have this problem. Hence most custom keyboard pcbs only offering south facing switch ports since cherry profile is the most common higher end keycap profile. The only reason gaming keyboards have north facing switches usually, is because the LED's are shown at the top in north facing configurations, which is better for rgb compatible keycaps. A non issue for custom keyboards.
Just ordered this board, thank you for the great review!
I ordered one instantly after watching this review. I’ve been using duckyone2 minis for a while now and have been holding out on “custom” boards.
I’m glad that I’ve waited because this is right up my alley, not fully custom but a damn good idea / design. I love it, can’t wait to get mine!
Your review is really incredible! The in depth review, the sound, the shots, everything is top notch! congratz, earned a new subscriber!
Wow, here's something you don't see everyday. From all the keyboard stuff out there this definitely stands out in function and is in a relatively universal form factor which allows for lots of custom stuff too. Very well thought out. Love the software customisation and best part doesn't need to be constantly running or even installed, simply awesome. Definitely going on the shortlist for "to buy"
Thank you for showing it, well done
Don't have anything to say, but just leaving a comment for the YT algorithm.. Basically all the gear I got have come from your reviews! Your the man! Thx
That says plenty! Thanks man!
I'm not even a hardcore gamer, but the browser feature that lets me change the board's setting WITHOUT having to install a dedicated software is enough to win me over. Really nice job!
I don't understand how everyone can claim that "you will feel the difference". No you won't feel the difference because you are a human and nothing you do with hardware will improve your natural reaction time. Nevermind the fact that distances and timings are so tiny that you are physically unable to notice. Is it a good keyboard? Sure it is, and I would recommend it over any Razer, Steelseries or Logitech for the mere fact that you can actually customize it, but other than that it really doesn't make a difference. The only useful use case scenario I can think of is actually INCREASING the actuation point so you won't accidentally press a key you didn't mean to press, but that's really it.
Great video and an even greater keyboard. Love when companies take the more customer-friendly, almost downright open-source approach to developing products. That way you get things that are performant and standardized at the same time. Kudos, Wooting.
high quality content, subscribed.
Can't wait for the 80HE
You're the second techtuber I've seen that's SUPER hyped about the 60HE, it's fun to see something so good get released into the market 😁
I wish they'd release a 75% version
Amazing review for an amazing looking product. I really want to get ahold of one now. Wish they made one in the 75% size that would get my money asap
I don’t know why but this video is making me nostalgic of when I first found your channel and it’s amazing.
Also holy shit good video , the most detailed review I’ve seen on 60hd easily.
Bonkers for sure! Great stuff as always Brian! Excited to get my hands on this!
Really incredible video. It reminds me of a lot of your older videos which covered new and innovative peripherals. With most peripheral companies being very stale right now, this new release and video felt like a breath of fresh air. I really love the effort that you put into this video, it was a joy to watch. It’s awesome how they really made this board perfect while also thinking about the custom market. Keep it up! 🔥
This is actually an exceptional review, quality and information off the roof.
Sold me on it honestly
getting it around Christmas 100%
Thank you for the review
Best detailed exceptional truth telling review i ever saw for a keyboard and i watched a lot of yt woowoo keyboard reviews 30+....i will get my hands on one of those
Honestly such a great review, production quality and showcase of all the new features in a way that is easily understandable 👍
Genuinely wish you got more views than you do U deserve it U legend
No brainer… period. And as always, fantastic coverage. Concise, on point, and straight up smooove.
Very exciting video and board. Loved how genuinely hyped you were about the board and it's features and the in-depth breakdown. Best critic and reviewer in the game hands down
This keyboard review is an absolute masterpiece! The attention to detail and the passion for the subject shine through. You definitely earned a subs. 👍🏼
Thanks man!
@@badseedtech do you mind asking if you have any hands on “Asus ROG Azoth gaming keyboard “ are they any good ? Thanks 🙏
i just got this keyboard and i am just amazed by the hardware and software quality, have not seen anything like this during the years with razer and logitech keyboards...
Im damn near considering putting this bad boy in my blade60. this is a really compelling feature set
Do it.
This is one of the best reviews I’ve watched in a very long time, remarkable job 👌
Thanks so much!
Great review man! Your videos really reflect your passion and it's awesome to see a review/product with a perfect "score". Keep up the excellent work brother.
i love the look of 60% but sometimes its annoying having to hold FN to do other things
This review has sold me..... on the Wooting Two HE 😂 Finally, FINALLY someone makes a balls to the wall custom fullsize keyboard with some crazy mod potential.
Id love to run with a 60% but when Im not gaming, Im stockbroking lol. Simply cannot do away with a full size and most fullsizes are cherry MX switch only (or light switches) and simply just sell on macros or RGB effect profiles.
Wooting, a brand Ive never heard of before today, is the 1st brand that gives you everything they possibly can to give you a crazy tangible gaming advantage with freaking HALL EFFECT KEYS 🤯 but at a price that is frankly shocking for what they are putting in that keyboard.
Astounding it can be done this cheap, real testament to the teams efforts in production design, streamlining and cutting a little margin to get the fullsize out at an affordable price and into hands. Crazy props, Buying one right now after watching this review and then reading their article about their production hell for it.
this board is actually crazy, thanks for the video!