The entire industry is a scam, in my PERSONAL OPINION, it does not cost that much for customer support... It's TWENTY TWENTY FIVE these are BARE BASIC products - with some firmware. EVERYONE has been indoctrinated and youtube reviewers perpetuate it, for money. A basic good quality HE keyboard should cost £50 - it is NOT TWO THOUSAND AND NINE
@@auzan2 Probably not, but he's got a point that (at least on the western market) wooting monopolize the mainstream HE market. Here in asia there are 2 types of HE keyboard, outemu board users which are usually super cheap like the mad60 and gateron board which are usually better like wooting. Both pcb are pretty cheap for manufacturers too, making actually great HE like MelGeek Made68 Ultra or Nuphy Halo65 perform at the same level as wooting, while having half the price. Sure if you buy that to the west you won't get the mediocre customer support, but does the $90 increase justify the price for it?
@@fwabble "Bare basic" dude they literally pioneered the whole thing, wooting keyboards use their own hardware that you don't see on other he keyboards, they spent so much time and money to research and develop, all the hall effect switches rn wouldnt even be a thing without wooting. Wooting's support and software is still the best, and they have good qc unlike these chinese keyboards
@@casull2041 right and it’s a big mistake to not say that ,cuz people now so scared to buy that product ,they now thinking it’s noname Chinese brand,what’s incorrect ,it’s pissed me off when I heard him words 😂
I've been using the Wooting 60he for about a year now and I have no regrets, it's a great keyboard. However, had I known about the mad lions when I was shopping for keyboards I definitely would have bought it. For $43, it's a risk worth taking
@scyzorpl yeah when I meant people I meant the sudden influx especially people with a bigger following or more well known in the community and not aspiring youtubers
@@joshuasingh6822 There is lots of big youtubers that actually reviewed the keyboard and thanks to them i purchases the NANO 68 and right now Attack Shark is doing kickstarter drop with their new HE keyboard and i picked the wireless 8 k version for only 50 $ and the wired one is only 35 $ crazy prices for a HE keyboard
@@joshuasingh6822 i mean this board has been taking the internet by storm for like 2 months now, it was only a matter of time before more reputable reviewers decided to start talking about it
I got the MAD 68HE Flagship and changed the switches to Gateron Jade Pros, got a GMK BOW CLONE keycap set and let me tell you that there's NO REASON to buy a Wooting when you have this keyboard on the market. I'm on the latest 1.05 Firmware update, this thing behaves like a beast, costing 1/10 the price of a Wooting here in Brazil. Absolutely love what the Chinese companies such as Madlions are doing for us, it's a blessing ngl
There are literally better keyboards than this garbage in the same price range (take the rt68) , with the amount of QC issues which is on par or even worse than final mouse, you’re literally paying for e waste, and 40$ does not include shipping.
i have one of those, and im in Brazil, bro, we are paying taxes for every import, for those we pay like 20% but for wooting, it would actually double the price, our minimum sallary (in a month) in brazil is almost the double of the price of THE WOOTING 60HE. I'm a person that actually have conditions to pay thinks like that if it trully was a necessity, but most people here cant, most gaming setups in Brazil are held with redragon Kumara and similar outemu piece of garbage, its easy to say something like "zero support" but we didnt even think about support, we just want something like wooting that we can affort
@@aw1u792 peguei a Rgb standard, pra mim já é suficiente, e mesmo essa já é melhor q o wooting pq tem um firmware de perfomance pra 0.02 de rapid trigger, mas pegar a versão ultimate compensa mais pelo preço se vc quiser o melhor do melhor pelo preco mais em conta, mas o standard ou rgb já é suficiente
@@aw1u792 Compra a mais barata pq tem uma atualização no site / software que deixam todos iguais com o menor ponto de atuação. No final, só tem diferença na aparência do teclado.
It's because of the plastic cover under the switch. I have multiple HE keyboards and they sound cheap. Sure almost all of them sounds better than the wooting 60he but they all sound lacking because of the hole.
bought the 8k polling rate version for about 50bucks, had some problems with the keyboard typing on its own but u can just recalibrate the switches or even unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in works for me, factory reset also fixed everything for me, id say its a steal for 50bucks since everything feels insanely fast and socd works perfectly fine
You need to change into static light on the rgb and set it below 50%, This is a common problem on HE keyboards because it's magnetic the lights from the rgb is overheating the switches.
i bought the 8k polling version too, i love the keyboard but the only thing im not sure is how to change the polling rate, do you know? i cant seem to find it on the web software.
MCHOSE Ace60Pro is the best budget Wooting replacement. By Philipines and Chinese VTubers reviews, they say Mad Lions don't do frequent software updates and are notorious that they leave their customers hanging. Ace60Pro has better switches than the MAD (TTC Uranus Standard - S tier switches), It has better chipset, better scan rate, better polling rate, better padding, and better build quality. Heck it has some thocc as well. 0.1mm trigger and RT sensitivity as well (full layout).
Bought the Mad68 HE R for £50 and its been great. Basically no deadzone, sounds pretty high end and switches similar to Jades Pro's but with a little more stem wobble. No way am I spending £160 on a 60% plastic keyboard with mid Lekker's and less choice for decent HE switches (have TTC KOM for my WASD). By the time you mod a Wooting you'd be well into the 200's and it will still be behind in performance.
@@Lumii-YT The Kulun switches in the R model are moderately loud when bottoming out and fairly clacky. Noise wise quite similar to Jades with maybe a bit more low end.
As an owner of the Wooting 60HE, I can recognize the overpricing on Wooting's part, the wage disadvantages of other countries, and the need for technological accessibility at all income levels. People can and should be allowed to support the cheaper product to even out the playing field so that more "well-off" gamers don't gatekeep special features. I disagree with the blatant copying of the Wooting's design and branding, but I guess it satisfies those who want a "Wooting style" keyboard. Honestly, I bought the Wooting 60HE (way before the Mad60HE came out) for the brand name, reliable software, and company transparency. I cannot speak for everyone. All I can say is that I am blessed to be in my current position, and I wish everyone can achieve their own success and fulfillment in life. ❤🙏
In the same vein I recently bought a random 60% mechanical keyboard off aliexpress for... $20 including shipping. I'm absolutely positively shocked with the quality. I wouldn't dare to use included usb dongle, but it works like a charm with bt.
i bought a koorui red switch 60% keyboard for £24. the stabilisers are INSANE, not a single bit of rattle and it sounds amazing for a red switch keyboard. way better than the Corsair Strafe Mk.2 i was using before, that was still pretty nice.
I think the web based is like, the website will be saved to your browser cache so you can actually access it while offline so it will still be accessible even if the main web is taken down. ofc if you change PC or reset windows you'll need to revisit it online. then when they gone you can say bye bye to the software.
I bought the mad60he for 35$ (during black friday) and I really can't recommend it enough. It's not the only cheap HE keyboard coming up, which tells me companies we're upcharging us with insane margins.
The companys are not up charging anything, alot of money is spent on the planning rather the materials. madlions is a very scummy company (which steals products) and you’re paying for literal e waste which is bound to break in a week.
Of Course Wooting has insane margins. How can they fail so hard at marketing? There are so many keyboards out there and those greedy idiots are still sticking to a $200 price tag.
The wooting WAS the best keyboard, and then every single other keyboard company made a competitor that was better in differing ways, like razer, SteelSeries, Logitech (lol) and like you showed, madlion.
As someone who used the Steelseries HE keyboards, they're so much worse and so is the software. Can't really say much about Razer and Logitech as I avoid both like a plague due to... let's say previous experiences with their products. As fort the Madlion, seems like a great deal if you're going to mod the keyboard anyway, but judging from the video as well as some comments and reviews, it probably won't last too long.
I checked Madcatz MAD 60 HE Prize that is available for sale in my country, and it only costs $21 for the non-RGB version and $26 for the RGB version. This price is including shipping costs.
I'm pretty sure gaming keyboards were already good before wooting came into the scene. The jump from normal switches to he feels more like a placebo than anything else.
ISO (UK) layout. The keys and layouts are slightly different. We have a £ sign where your $, smaller shift and larger enter button etc etc. Its actually fairly comfortable to use as your pinky naturally rests on it and you get an extra button below.
its a 1 for 1 basically, and it's so hard to sue chinese manufactures that it's not even worth suing for wooting. im a proud owner of a fully custom wooting 60he.. and even i considered buying a madlions as a fun backup keyboard to mod out. they even make an 8kHZ one.
you should try out the ace60 pro. Some people even agree that it might even be better than the wooting 80he. it cost around the same at the mad60he. they have a tinyyyy bit more expensive option which is the ace68. it would be awesome to see your review on these keyboards and compare it to the wooting 60he since you have experience with it, because im trying to get it for Christmas and i wanna see if its worth it.
i got this, i really like this keyboard, the only problem i have with it is no onboard profiles, i play games where i have to rebind stuff, and it would be awesome if i could just use a key combination to switch profiles
It *is* hotswap. Own both the mad60he and the wooting 60he and they're practically the same thing. Even the performance, Leizerg and a guy called Yev has tested it and the performance is *exactly* the same. A lot of people are speculating that they share the same OEM, which will basically mean the mad 60he and the wooting 60he are the same keyboard just from different sellers.
@Vencyxx Both had similar maximum latency bro. It's actually within margin of error. And no human being on this planet earth can feel the 0.02mm deadzone difference lol. Face it bro the mad60he and the wooting 60he probably shares the same OEM. And I was always butthurt about how my wooting 60he was built like a freaking 15$ keyboard and now we all have the answer. Wooting was just charging us x10 the price. EDIT: After trying out the mad60he I'm officially a wooting hater for life. Even if the keyboard was freaking handsigned by donk or aspas I'd think twice before paying apple prices.
There is a keyboard which I think is really underrated Nuphy’s keyboards The nuphy 75 HE ranked as the best keyboard at this time based on rtings website, they also have 60 version which I think about 100$ If you see the performance benchmarks the wooting and nuphy are the only 2 keyboards which are under 0.9 ms the nuphy event beats the wooting in latency of releasing the key (which was wooting strength)
Let’s be honest, any keyboard enthusiast will say Hall effect switches are some of the worse sounding. But I would love to see a review of the all aluminium Akko Monsgeek M1W HE- from a gamers performance perspective- as apparently this is the best sounding out of all the HE Keyboards- although I haven’t seen it compared to the Nuphy yet (sound wise).
@@dossprod its just a 1 to 1 clone of the Wooting, heavy copyright infringement but Wooting cant do anything since Mad is a Chinese company and western companies can't win lawsuits in China, especially at Wootings size.
Hope it's good for you man. I don't blame the customers ever since peripherals are expensive. I just wanted to be on the safer side and still rocking my custom 60HE hopefully until it breaks. 😂
I find wooting very interesting but the pricing is really bad, i have a VERY expensive keyboard and have been using it for about 8 years now but its slowly starting to lose the nice feel etc and i just want something new and shiny in general to be honest but i dont feel like spending so much on a new product, its risky and i was lucky with the keyboard im using now which cost 250€ btw... Anyway, hope wooting reconsideres their pricing and the options they are selling because the brand has the potential to get really big.
All I got to say after getting my 80HE and having sticking stabs also seeing others on Reddit with the same issue. I waited how long again for this so called premium board and I have to do modding once I get it. No response from Woootng only on discord say they address. The issues in further batches. That’s not the point. It shouldn’t happen tot begin with.
@ I am aware of this. I’m sayin this is not accepted to me for the price tag and no support for it beside it been address for future bathes. I can mod boards myself. What bout the people that can’t ? 80 he was a fail in my eyes
I already bought the wooting 60he but i understand people going the cheaper route but i also dont think wooting should be getting blatantly copied and people buying it,also wooting was very cool about them copying them to help people who cant afford the wooting 60he
Same. Also backed and I got a Mad68 R recently lol. $50/£39 is insane for the price. From Miggs review, it looks like it performs similarly to this and has wireless and volume knob. Proper offline drivers as well as web drivers.
Wooting is ripping people off with that price plain and simple. I understand they pioneer the HE keeb. This keyboard just opens up a peek behind the curtain of how overpriced their keyboard is.
I wonder why... could it be that Wooting has R&D costs to cover, naaah. Proper wages for the people that work in the factory over in china, ignore that use kids instead. Cheaper.
the mad60 is a blatant copy of the wooting everyone should know if they want to support such a company but everyone that judge other people are not better u cant blame other people for buying a keyboard almost 1/4 of the price and wear fast fashion and be ethically okay with it. Everyone should decide for themselves.
@@VodkaBB I am so glad to see, somebody has a brain. Please do not support companies like madlions, and in the long run a wooting or any other superior he keyboard will last you a long time.
@@Lumfii how so? I don't see any reason that the 45 dollar one would last any less time than a wooting, I have literally never broken a keyboard. I'm would have zero issues with the longevity of the cheaper option. I used a gk61 (the cheapest barebones case you could get in 2019) for 4 years and have had literally zero degradation of the case or any issues with longevity.
I would much rather fund a company that pushes the envelope than a company business model that stunts innovation by being competitive but can only lag behind
Interesting review, but I just don't see why Wooting is any more reliable. They could go under too. What makes Wooting so safe? They're a newish company and if they go under same issue with losing access to the web UI over time. However, I trust the develops at Wooting would at least leave us with a software alternative given how much effort they put into developing the web UI.
First wooting isn't really a new company they been doing this with the Wooting One TKL board since 2016. The web software is only an option for customers who don't want to install software but they also provide that dedicated software for it. They also push updates and new features across ALL their HE keyboards, which makes it quite future proof.
I don't know why the release of a Chinese copy which is manufacturing a keyboard at a loss just to break even is making people get so angry about wooting boards? They are priced differently for a reason. If people are calling the wooting overpriced and overhyped then why are you looking to buy one at all? it has the same features as the wooting but the mad keyboard isn't knocked for being 'unoriginal or overhyped' all from the fact that it's cheap so if it doesn't work who cares. Also seeing people complain about wootings support being unresponsive. While I have a wooting and the support has been very understanding. You waited possibly 3-4 months for a pre order then can't wait a week for support to help😭. This isn't the first time madlion have cloned a board and just made it cheaper. All it does is ruin innovation by stealing profits from these companies that actually try to innovate. But instead people are trashing on Wooting and these other brands for a cheaper model existing on the market?
The emergency stop and function of wooting are too foul, it is difficult for players without wooting to play a second emergency stop, you can take a look at VALORANT, this product is friendly to ordinary third world players
Please don't use auto translation, the robotic french translatation jump scared me and it's quite garbage (and also doesn't even try to imitate your beautiful voice) Also you made me buy it pretty much instantly, was looking for a HE keyboard and was looking at around 90€ for something but it always looked trash ... At least I'm already familiar with VXE so I know the software will be very serviceable
Irok nd63 pro might be even better than the mad68 he. It should have more stable 8khz polling rate, 32k scan rate, good materials, software, sound and switches. In my country at least its cheaper than the mad68 he. 4:45 sounds like the irok nd63 pro 🤣Also I think the warranty on the mad68 he isnt that worrying, if it breaks for you, you can just buy a new one and even after that you still have 150€ left to buy something like made68 pro (better than wooting60he too) or a full custom keyboard that beats wooting80he in everything expect maybe software.
wooting deserves some praise after pioneering HE keyboards market but I'm so happy this technology isn't gatekept by money anymore
The entire industry is a scam, in my PERSONAL OPINION, it does not cost that much for customer support... It's TWENTY TWENTY FIVE these are BARE BASIC products - with some firmware. EVERYONE has been indoctrinated and youtube reviewers perpetuate it, for money. A basic good quality HE keyboard should cost £50 - it is NOT TWO THOUSAND AND NINE
def thank wooting for that, they could have easily patented rapid trigger and run a monopoly on the HE keyboard space but they didnt
@@fwabble did u buy the keyboard?
@@auzan2 Probably not, but he's got a point that (at least on the western market) wooting monopolize the mainstream HE market.
Here in asia there are 2 types of HE keyboard, outemu board users which are usually super cheap like the mad60 and gateron board which are usually better like wooting. Both pcb are pretty cheap for manufacturers too, making actually great HE like MelGeek Made68 Ultra or Nuphy Halo65 perform at the same level as wooting, while having half the price.
Sure if you buy that to the west you won't get the mediocre customer support, but does the $90 increase justify the price for it?
@@fwabble "Bare basic" dude they literally pioneered the whole thing, wooting keyboards use their own hardware that you don't see on other he keyboards, they spent so much time and money to research and develop, all the hall effect switches rn wouldnt even be a thing without wooting. Wooting's support and software is still the best, and they have good qc unlike these chinese keyboards
just extra info MAD is the sub brand of the same company that made VGE VXE and ATK if i remember correctly
@@casull2041 right and it’s a big mistake to not say that ,cuz people now so scared to buy that product ,they now thinking it’s noname Chinese brand,what’s incorrect ,it’s pissed me off when I heard him words 😂
@@ЖеняМельников-щ8е ATK is known for basically abandoning all of their HE keyboards and not providing firmware updates.
@@soupdrinker72 yup one of the reason why to not buy their product.
@@soupdrinker72 no
@@soupdrinker72 Not sure about their keyboards, but they been producing some of the best gaming mouses in the industry for a while
I've been using the Wooting 60he for about a year now and I have no regrets, it's a great keyboard. However, had I known about the mad lions when I was shopping for keyboards I definitely would have bought it. For $43, it's a risk worth taking
Holy shit people are actually reviewing it
have you been living under a rock people have been reviewing the Madlions for some time already
@scyzorpl yeah when I meant people I meant the sudden influx especially people with a bigger following or more well known in the community and not aspiring youtubers
@@joshuasingh6822 There is lots of big youtubers that actually reviewed the keyboard and thanks to them i purchases the NANO 68 and right now Attack Shark is doing kickstarter drop with their new HE keyboard and i picked the wireless 8 k version for only 50 $ and the wired one is only 35 $ crazy prices for a HE keyboard
@@joshuasingh6822 i mean this board has been taking the internet by storm for like 2 months now, it was only a matter of time before more reputable reviewers decided to start talking about it
@@scyzorpl Ive seen like only 2 or 3 long reviews that are in english, its either in some asian country or the video is only like 3 minutes
I got the MAD 68HE Flagship and changed the switches to Gateron Jade Pros, got a GMK BOW CLONE keycap set and let me tell you that there's NO REASON to buy a Wooting when you have this keyboard on the market. I'm on the latest 1.05 Firmware update, this thing behaves like a beast, costing 1/10 the price of a Wooting here in Brazil. Absolutely love what the Chinese companies such as Madlions are doing for us, it's a blessing ngl
could have bought a ace 60/68 pro with the same price or even a nano68 with how much upgrades u put but still a good decision.
you could buy 4 of the madlion keyboards, mod them all and it would still be cheaper (and better sounding) than a Wooting. LMAO
There are literally better keyboards than this garbage in the same price range (take the rt68) , with the amount of QC issues which is on par or even worse than final mouse, you’re literally paying for e waste, and 40$ does not include shipping.
And the customer service is exactly the same as wooting (non existent) lol
@@Lumfii i payed 46.99$ for FLAHSHIP mad 60 HE on alliexpress with shipping for free and arrived 8 days after order in GERMANY with 0 Problems
@@Lumfii so what would you recommend?
@@R2Rob he said the rt68
risking to save 130$. Wish me luck guys
Hope you enjoy it, had mine for more than a month, not a single issue so far
@@vladbivol8153 ali express is safe i buyed it its great
@@vladbivol8153 let us know what you think!
its good, also no issues so far
same i ordered mine , arriving this month
i have one of those, and im in Brazil, bro, we are paying taxes for every import, for those we pay like 20% but for wooting, it would actually double the price, our minimum sallary (in a month) in brazil is almost the double of the price of THE WOOTING 60HE. I'm a person that actually have conditions to pay thinks like that if it trully was a necessity, but most people here cant, most gaming setups in Brazil are held with redragon Kumara and similar outemu piece of garbage, its easy to say something like "zero support" but we didnt even think about support, we just want something like wooting that we can affort
I'm out of the loop. Are there any affordable alternatives to Wooting 60HE in Brazil? Or is this it?
comprou qual versao dog? To pensando em comprar
bro you got it the other way around the wooting is 2x brazil's minimum salary
@@aw1u792 peguei a Rgb standard, pra mim já é suficiente, e mesmo essa já é melhor q o wooting pq tem um firmware de perfomance pra 0.02 de rapid trigger, mas pegar a versão ultimate compensa mais pelo preço se vc quiser o melhor do melhor pelo preco mais em conta, mas o standard ou rgb já é suficiente
@@aw1u792 Compra a mais barata pq tem uma atualização no site / software que deixam todos iguais com o menor ponto de atuação. No final, só tem diferença na aparência do teclado.
judging from this video, the sound of the cheap one sounded much better.
It's because of the plastic cover under the switch. I have multiple HE keyboards and they sound cheap. Sure almost all of them sounds better than the wooting 60he but they all sound lacking because of the hole.
MAD 60 HE $32 here in Indonesia, sometimes on sale you get it for $26
Bought one on sale for $25 (+$3 shipping) in the US. Might've gotten lucky with that price
@@thegudstuff2378 What model did you get?
di indo beli dmna?
@@sourent Infinitas
bought the 8k polling rate version for about 50bucks, had some problems with the keyboard typing on its own but u can just recalibrate the switches or even unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in works for me, factory reset also fixed everything for me, id say its a steal for 50bucks since everything feels insanely fast and socd works perfectly fine
actually, all rapid trigger have things like that
You need to change into static light on the rgb and set it below 50%, This is a common problem on HE keyboards because it's magnetic the lights from the rgb is overheating the switches.
i bought the 8k polling version too, i love the keyboard but the only thing im not sure is how to change the polling rate, do you know? i cant seem to find it on the web software.
@@FK_1 you can't unless you have the mad68 R
Hey, hows been your experience? Any bad? Durability wise do you see any flaws with the keeb? Thanks!
MCHOSE Ace60Pro is the best budget Wooting replacement. By Philipines and Chinese VTubers reviews, they say Mad Lions don't do frequent software updates and are notorious that they leave their customers hanging. Ace60Pro has better switches than the MAD (TTC Uranus Standard - S tier switches), It has better chipset, better scan rate, better polling rate, better padding, and better build quality. Heck it has some thocc as well. 0.1mm trigger and RT sensitivity as well (full layout).
Bought the Mad68 HE R for £50 and its been great. Basically no deadzone, sounds pretty high end and switches similar to Jades Pro's but with a little more stem wobble.
No way am I spending £160 on a 60% plastic keyboard with mid Lekker's and less choice for decent HE switches (have TTC KOM for my WASD). By the time you mod a Wooting you'd be well into the 200's and it will still be behind in performance.
@@hinchlikescake7592 do you know what the difference between one of these or the attack shark? Are they all HE?
would you say the keyboards loud?
@@Lumii-YT The Kulun switches in the R model are moderately loud when bottoming out and fairly clacky. Noise wise quite similar to Jades with maybe a bit more low end.
i bought the maad68r white version
@@hinchlikescake7592 is there any ghosting on the keyboard?
As an owner of the Wooting 60HE, I can recognize the overpricing on Wooting's part, the wage disadvantages of other countries, and the need for technological accessibility at all income levels.
People can and should be allowed to support the cheaper product to even out the playing field so that more "well-off" gamers don't gatekeep special features.
I disagree with the blatant copying of the Wooting's design and branding, but I guess it satisfies those who want a "Wooting style" keyboard.
Honestly, I bought the Wooting 60HE (way before the Mad60HE came out) for the brand name, reliable software, and company transparency.
I cannot speak for everyone. All I can say is that I am blessed to be in my current position, and I wish everyone can achieve their own success and fulfillment in life. ❤🙏
In the same vein I recently bought a random 60% mechanical keyboard off aliexpress for... $20 including shipping.
I'm absolutely positively shocked with the quality.
I wouldn't dare to use included usb dongle, but it works like a charm with bt.
Help a bro out with the link 🙏
i bought a koorui red switch 60% keyboard for £24. the stabilisers are INSANE, not a single bit of rattle and it sounds amazing for a red switch keyboard. way better than the Corsair Strafe Mk.2 i was using before, that was still pretty nice.
I think the web based is like, the website will be saved to your browser cache so you can actually access it while offline so it will still be accessible even if the main web is taken down. ofc if you change PC or reset windows you'll need to revisit it online.
then when they gone you can say bye bye to the software.
I mean if it works offline you can just dump the site entirely and store it for good.
your setting is saved to PCB memory. Not Website browser cache. Even changing to new computer still use your saved setting
2:49 sounds like mr. krabs walking
LMAO EVEN THE TIMING AND EVERYTHING 😂
It's actually crazy how accurate it is
I bought the mad60he for 35$ (during black friday) and I really can't recommend it enough. It's not the only cheap HE keyboard coming up, which tells me companies we're upcharging us with insane margins.
The companys are not up charging anything, alot of money is spent on the planning rather the materials. madlions is a very scummy company (which steals products) and you’re paying for literal e waste which is bound to break in a week.
Of Course Wooting has insane margins. How can they fail so hard at marketing? There are so many keyboards out there and those greedy idiots are still sticking to a $200 price tag.
@clapnir what?
@Lumfii ngl I got confused too 🤣
@manwows5597 almost had a stroke trying to read that mess 😂
I modded a madlions 68he for 55$ in all and its insane how good this keyboard is for the price if you are a competitive player
Wooting really deserves some competition. They really got to justify their prices now.
After I got the Nuphy I honestly don't want any other keyboard. Nice review as always.
The wooting WAS the best keyboard, and then every single other keyboard company made a competitor that was better in differing ways, like razer, SteelSeries, Logitech (lol) and like you showed, madlion.
Is still the best. Only what competes with wooting is venom he boards
As someone who used the Steelseries HE keyboards, they're so much worse and so is the software. Can't really say much about Razer and Logitech as I avoid both like a plague due to... let's say previous experiences with their products. As fort the Madlion, seems like a great deal if you're going to mod the keyboard anyway, but judging from the video as well as some comments and reviews, it probably won't last too long.
@Krymms if you want mod it just get wooting
@@JakubixIsHere or, save 100$ on the module and just by this keyboard.
I'll choose wooting definitely.
This garbage's (madlion) pcb broken while put the geon raptop switch on it.
I checked Madcatz MAD 60 HE Prize that is available for sale in my country, and it only costs $21 for the non-RGB version and $26 for the RGB version. This price is including shipping costs.
I think it would be cool if u were to review a carbon fibre mousepad, I have always wondered how those are
if youre comparing the mad 60 he and the wooting 60 he, get the mad68r, yes it is 68% not 60 but its the best version of the mad 60 he
theres an 8k polling ver of the 60%
@gedloe yeah I know but the mad68r has better switches and I think software
@Sosa3mg same switches and software, it used to be the best but its pretty equal to mad60 now
@gedloe the r version uses Kunlun magnetic and the normal 60/68he uses different switches
@Sosa3mg yes
I'm pretty sure gaming keyboards were already good before wooting came into the scene. The jump from normal switches to he feels more like a placebo than anything else.
@@alpacamale2909 depends, in rhythm games like osu or games with tons of frame perfects like geometry dash it make a huge difference.
well, 120 dollars cheaper, would gladly take the risk
I love how this keyboard cost me literally $100 and it's listed as pre order in third party. Double the price with double the wait time.
I personally went with NuPhy Air 75 HE as I feel wooting is now overpriced with inferior build quality compared with the competition popping up.
Would you make a video showing the mechanism of these keyboards? switches and pcbs. I want to know the repairability rate of these.
Here in Brazil, wooting costs more than 2k so... its very very very hard to most of people to buy it
Why the heck is the left shift on wooting so small?? Jesus christ that looks like a nightmare to use
ISO (UK) layout. The keys and layouts are slightly different. We have a £ sign where your $, smaller shift and larger enter button etc etc.
Its actually fairly comfortable to use as your pinky naturally rests on it and you get an extra button below.
no matter what every other company does, i will still support wooting to the end. their products, software, community, and support are no match
its a 1 for 1 basically, and it's so hard to sue chinese manufactures that it's not even worth suing for wooting. im a proud owner of a fully custom wooting 60he.. and even i considered buying a madlions as a fun backup keyboard to mod out. they even make an 8kHZ one.
Those switches are from IYX，which produces parts, as well as have their own HE keyboard for sale😂
Madlions = VGN = VXE = ATK
finaly they get the prices right! Waiting for a german layout tho ...
I'd like to see how it compare to the Wooting after being modded
you should try out the ace60 pro. Some people even agree that it might even be better than the wooting 80he. it cost around the same at the mad60he. they have a tinyyyy bit more expensive option which is the ace68. it would be awesome to see your review on these keyboards and compare it to the wooting 60he since you have experience with it, because im trying to get it for Christmas and i wanna see if its worth it.
i got this, i really like this keyboard, the only problem i have with it is no onboard profiles, i play games where i have to rebind stuff, and it would be awesome if i could just use a key combination to switch profiles
they use gatheron white switches in the madlions, i think, i saw it in an aliexpress page
is the mad 60 hot swap
just dont get it its gonna break in a month and no customer service
It *is* hotswap. Own both the mad60he and the wooting 60he and they're practically the same thing. Even the performance, Leizerg and a guy called Yev has tested it and the performance is *exactly* the same. A lot of people are speculating that they share the same OEM, which will basically mean the mad 60he and the wooting 60he are the same keyboard just from different sellers.
@@NyangisKhan 4ms latency on mad btw worse deadzones
@Vencyxx Both had similar maximum latency bro. It's actually within margin of error. And no human being on this planet earth can feel the 0.02mm deadzone difference lol.
Face it bro the mad60he and the wooting 60he probably shares the same OEM. And I was always butthurt about how my wooting 60he was built like a freaking 15$ keyboard and now we all have the answer. Wooting was just charging us x10 the price.
EDIT: After trying out the mad60he I'm officially a wooting hater for life. Even if the keyboard was freaking handsigned by donk or aspas I'd think twice before paying apple prices.
Even if i would have to buy one of those keyboards every year, it would still take 4 years to catch up with the price of wooting.
And wooting would work double of that time
@@JakubixIsHere yeah and some ppl dont have to money for a wooting so why would they not get the cheaper one
There is a keyboard which I think is really underrated
Nuphy’s keyboards
The nuphy 75 HE ranked as the best keyboard at this time based on rtings website, they also have 60 version which I think about 100$
If you see the performance benchmarks the wooting and nuphy are the only 2 keyboards which are under 0.9 ms the nuphy event beats the wooting in latency of releasing the key (which was wooting strength)
latency performance benchmarks for keyboards don't really mean much.
Let’s be honest, any keyboard enthusiast will say Hall effect switches are some of the worse sounding. But I would love to see a review of the all aluminium Akko Monsgeek M1W HE- from a gamers performance perspective- as apparently this is the best sounding out of all the HE Keyboards- although I haven’t seen it compared to the Nuphy yet (sound wise).
Which Version was this?
no latency test?
Mchose Ace Pro next?
looks like someone is MAD about this LION.
bro I just bought the wooting 60 he and I now see this
Ive already said it, THE COPY SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER JUST GET THE COPY NOONES GONNA BE MAD AT YOU FOR BEING “cheap” JUST GET IT OMLL YALL MAKE ME MAD
These switches look like gateron jades with a box-shape stem
$1 keyboard vs $1000000000 keyboard
Is the wooting 80he as good as the 60?
same shit just 80 he has 20 more keys than 60 he
@ oh ok, thank you :)
80 he have 8k
Whats the difference between pro and ultimate?
I bought one yesterday and yeah it's immoral but I just wanna try out HE boards as a broke college student.
same reason i got it and ive had it like a month now no issues but the actuation is actually really accurate and sensitive if u tune it right
@@reazn.999 immoral?
There’s nothing immoral, spending so much on overpriced product in the first place is already wrong, it’s good to have competition in the market
@@dossprod its just a 1 to 1 clone of the Wooting, heavy copyright infringement but Wooting cant do anything since Mad is a Chinese company and western companies can't win lawsuits in China, especially at Wootings size.
Hope it's good for you man. I don't blame the customers ever since peripherals are expensive. I just wanted to be on the safer side and still rocking my custom 60HE hopefully until it breaks. 😂
Have you used the nuphy halo 65he?
i am running attack shark 85, its amazing after i changed the keycaps, i hate keys that dont light up
crazy how i broke my keyboard a couple of days ago as well, and the same exact way.... Nice!
I find wooting very interesting but the pricing is really bad, i have a VERY expensive keyboard and have been using it for about 8 years now but its slowly starting to lose the nice feel etc and i just want something new and shiny in general to be honest but i dont feel like spending so much on a new product, its risky and i was lucky with the keyboard im using now which cost 250€ btw... Anyway, hope wooting reconsideres their pricing and the options they are selling because the brand has the potential to get really big.
chad wooting airliner doc straps vs incel mad lions chinese nylon factory strap
Solder a new port on the wooting
Ajazz AK 680 MAX HE?, i just got my Aula F75 yesterday
All I got to say after getting my 80HE and having sticking stabs also seeing others on Reddit with the same issue. I waited how long again for this so called premium board and I have to do modding once I get it. No response from
Woootng only on discord say they address. The issues in further batches. That’s not the point. It shouldn’t happen tot begin with.
Issue is because switch pads got soaked by lube.
@ I am aware of this. I’m sayin this is not accepted to me for the price tag and no support for it beside it been address for future bathes. I can mod boards myself. What bout the people that can’t ? 80 he was a fail in my eyes
@@randallkubiszewski6908even $400 still needs the mod.
Nothing perfect in this world especially manmade.
when x3 review
Thanks for video, wait for reviev on attack shark x65 he, sounds tasty too
Hello i have a question to ask, Does mad60he flagship and mad60he ultimate is the same thing no?
yes
I just got one of these for christmas hopefully I don’t get scammed and it breaks
Can u review a mouse called IPI float which i believe it might be a finalmouse killer
I already bought the wooting 60he but i understand people going the cheaper route but i also dont think wooting should be getting blatantly copied and people buying it,also wooting was very cool about them copying them to help people who cant afford the wooting 60he
what do you think about the attackshark X65 HE? I just backed their Kickstarter instead of buying the madlions 60 HE.
Same. Also backed and I got a Mad68 R recently lol. $50/£39 is insane for the price.
From Miggs review, it looks like it performs similarly to this and has wireless and volume knob. Proper offline drivers as well as web drivers.
I think it's a copy from Royal Kludge RK65 but with HE
Sure, but does it beat the wooting 80he 🤔
can u review nano68 pro? is a cheap make68he
First we have apple glazer. Now we have Wooting glazer lol
Wooting is ripping people off with that price plain and simple. I understand they pioneer the HE keeb. This keyboard just opens up a peek behind the curtain of how overpriced their keyboard is.
I wonder why... could it be that Wooting has R&D costs to cover, naaah. Proper wages for the people that work in the factory over in china, ignore that use kids instead. Cheaper.
@@AlkahzaneWell, it's called cost minimization for a reason..
Everything is cheap to make when you simply copy someone elses design exactly and use slave labor to make it.
Fun fact: mad 60he base version in China is 99 yuan, or just 14 USD, so the wooting is like 12 times the price, talk about overprice hyped stuff.
the mad60 is a blatant copy of the wooting everyone should know if they want to support such a company but everyone that judge other people are not better u cant blame other people for buying a keyboard almost 1/4 of the price and wear fast fashion and be ethically okay with it. Everyone should decide for themselves.
@@VodkaBB I am so glad to see, somebody has a brain. Please do not support companies like madlions, and in the long run a wooting or any other superior he keyboard will last you a long time.
i already bought a shit load of fashion reps from pandabuy when it existed idgaf at this point 😂
@@Lumfii how so? I don't see any reason that the 45 dollar one would last any less time than a wooting, I have literally never broken a keyboard. I'm would have zero issues with the longevity of the cheaper option. I used a gk61 (the cheapest barebones case you could get in 2019) for 4 years and have had literally zero degradation of the case or any issues with longevity.
@@Lumfii this keyboard simply reveals the corruption of gaming companies (including Wooting) with their profit margins.
I would much rather fund a company that pushes the envelope than a company business model that stunts innovation by being competitive but can only lag behind
its 20 dollars around asia
I dont care about how the keyboard sounds i care about performance and i love my wooting
try the attack shark x3 its a clone of the superlight
Could you review Nuphy Air 60 HE please?
You are paying more for higher quality and R&D basically, since this is all developed by Wooting.
Wish me luck guy's im buying it 🙏🙏🙏🙏
review the k2 he
wooting will prolly down it's price because of this
They wont.
@@JakubixIsHere they will especially when consumers starts buying this and not theirs
@@ninja1809 look they make enough money so every batch is sold out every time
@@JakubixIsHere look, before yes, but now i don't think so
@@ninja1809 you can see every batch they have on their website
Interesting review, but I just don't see why Wooting is any more reliable. They could go under too. What makes Wooting so safe? They're a newish company and if they go under same issue with losing access to the web UI over time. However, I trust the develops at Wooting would at least leave us with a software alternative given how much effort they put into developing the web UI.
First wooting isn't really a new company they been doing this with the Wooting One TKL board since 2016. The web software is only an option for customers who don't want to install software but they also provide that dedicated software for it. They also push updates and new features across ALL their HE keyboards, which makes it quite future proof.
@@Icancontrolitall their keyboards *
Got the pro version for only $32
Irok ND63 Pro best in this price point
In my country, the Mad60 costs 21$, so...why not, right? :)
Why you not review my beloved Logitech company's new HE-HE keyboard: PRO X TKL RAPID MLG NEO 720 NO AIM ASSIST? IDK man, seems kinda wrasist!
I don't know why the release of a Chinese copy which is manufacturing a keyboard at a loss just to break even is making people get so angry about wooting boards? They are priced differently for a reason. If people are calling the wooting overpriced and overhyped then why are you looking to buy one at all? it has the same features as the wooting but the mad keyboard isn't knocked for being 'unoriginal or overhyped' all from the fact that it's cheap so if it doesn't work who cares. Also seeing people complain about wootings support being unresponsive. While I have a wooting and the support has been very understanding. You waited possibly 3-4 months for a pre order then can't wait a week for support to help😭. This isn't the first time madlion have cloned a board and just made it cheaper. All it does is ruin innovation by stealing profits from these companies that actually try to innovate. But instead people are trashing on Wooting and these other brands for a cheaper model existing on the market?
The emergency stop and function of wooting are too foul, it is difficult for players without wooting to play a second emergency stop, you can take a look at VALORANT, this product is friendly to ordinary third world players
Love my 68 he
Inspired by SquashyBoy?
Never buy a keyboard which keys do not have branding. Just after the warranty ends keys stop working. I am suffering 😅
representing the 8th view community
u need to try the IYX MU68 PRO is better than the wooting, cero problems with latency or anything
Please don't use auto translation, the robotic french translatation jump scared me and it's quite garbage (and also doesn't even try to imitate your beautiful voice)
Also you made me buy it pretty much instantly, was looking for a HE keyboard and was looking at around 90€ for something but it always looked trash ... At least I'm already familiar with VXE so I know the software will be very serviceable
wooting sounds so bad for that price
Irok nd63 pro might be even better than the mad68 he. It should have more stable 8khz polling rate, 32k scan rate, good materials, software, sound and switches. In my country at least its cheaper than the mad68 he. 4:45 sounds like the irok nd63 pro 🤣Also I think the warranty on the mad68 he isnt that worrying, if it breaks for you, you can just buy a new one and even after that you still have 150€ left to buy something like made68 pro (better than wooting60he too) or a full custom keyboard that beats wooting80he in everything expect maybe software.
Shame its only a 60% If it was a 65%, I would've gone for one. Ponnie on his channel was glazing it.