The most realistic characters are the characters that don't have the writers on their side. The characters that don't have awkward amounts of plot armor or are the fan favorites are the most realistic ones.
I'm glad yall starting to realize that most of you would sacrifice a little girl for your own well being. Best to say Ben is the most realistic for dudes like you who relate.
@@Godloveszaza I don’t relate. And honestly, that thinking can depend on person. Its realistic even if you don’t wanna sacrifice said kid for your own benefit.
it was everyday people adjusting to the new world, season 2 is at least a year and a half after everything so more people started to pursue self preservation
People need to remember that Ben is a literal kid. People think he's in college, but he's a high schooler. He is exactly who Clem would be if the apocalypse had happened ten years later, after she had grown up in a completely normal world as a normal teenage girl. He's who Clem would be if she hadn't had Lee. And honestly, being totally realistic - he is who most of US would be, as well.
It's the problem with a lot of media, especially horror. People always complain about others making mistakes in extremely stressful life or death situations while watching from our couches. It is annoying but when written correctly it's very understandable.
I give Ben slack for quite a lot .It was taking the axe out of the door handle in the school during Ch 4 I think that I just gave up on the idiot. He didnt stop for a second to think that maybe that axe was there for a reason? He could of checked with anyone first before just grabbing that. I dropped his ass at that point.
Obviously I’ll still be mad at ben, I mean no offense but I feel like im just compelled to not like someone if they sent bandits to our only fort, but still I think people don’t give him any slack.
I disagree with the “he is who most of us would be”. Only because there’s *quite* a few gun toting ppl who wouldn’t necessarily be “scared, more so cautious. I myself live remotely in Texas and wouldn’t be too concerned. (Keep in mind, I’m talking about TWD zombies, not 28 Days Later “infected” or shi like that 😂)
@@Dbxndzz-re1sr if Ben was a wannabe hardass itd be more realistic, most people think they'd act like Kenney when in reality, including me most likely, would act like Ben, thoughts are one thing, not many can bring themself to act on thoughts alone
Ben is a good example of a character who is meant to be dislikable and achieves that perfectly. He's not some villain that gets the upperhand against the heroes-he's just a scared kid who makes mistakes. And a lot of them. Unfortunately for him, the apocalypse is not nearly as forgiving as those around him were.
He's a wonderful example of trying to take the route of least conflict and best results while lacking the foresight to avoid banking up trouble for later. Everything he did wrong was the result of good intentions that he either didn't think all the way through or lacked the full information to know that it was a bad idea... and I kind of love him for that because it's a brilliant example of how the vast majority of people would fuck up fatally (because very few of us would be prepared to adjust to the 'new rules').
i agree! i feel like everyone believes theyed be a Lee in an apocalypse, doing everything "right", fighting tooth and nail for their loved ones, and being the ultimate survivor. In reality most of us would be like ben. Scared, confused, desperate and riddled with flaws. We'd probably agree to a deal if it meant a captured loved one was safely released. We probably wouldn't fight against a vernon who has a gun to our head. and we may even freeze up and flee when we are cornered by walkers...possibly putting others in danger. We would fuck up and make mistakes, but we would hope that people would forgive us. Thats why I've never hated Ben. At times I wanted to. but I just couldn't. He goes through just as much as the other characters yet everyone only sees him for his mistakes...they forget he's just a teenager and MOST people, especially at that age, arent natural born survivors edit: oh and I also want to point out something a lot of people seem to not think about... raids happen ALL THE TIME in TWD. Random ass groups show up and start attacking a location, zombies flood in, and people die. Sure Ben wasn't making it any better by giving to them, but people should stop acting as if kajaa and duck would 100% still be here without his actions. The only reason that rival group didn't attack the place from the beginning is because there was a chance at getting even more supplies from them as time went on. If it wasn't for the deal Ben made, they likely would have been raided in the night and everything would have played out the same. As for Carlys death, that's lilys fault- not Bens. Lilly never should have pulled her gun on a group member without knowing the full story. She was becoming unhinged and her pulling the trigger is what killed carly. Not Ben giving supplies away. Yes, they were directly related, but no one had to die that day. Lilly chose to kill her, that's not Bens fault
What I dont like is that some people say that Clementine is more capable and useful then Ben without even realizing that Lee is the sole reason why she is so capable and usefull. Nobody taught Ben how to survive and he had noone that he could talk to. Lets say that he got close to Carley/Doug to a level where they are friends then he would probably say that the bandits tricked him.
@@whitewolf9159 yeah, like it also ignores some pretty basic psychology lol... kids learn fast. They are pretty adaptable and clem is at the perfect age to learn to be a survivor. Ben has already lived what...17ish years in a normal world. So yeah, it would be harder for him to adapt. He also doesn't have the looming responsibility of caring for a child like Kenny and lee do. so to me, it makes sense why he isn't naturally in that mindset of constantly worrying about how his actions will affect others. When you become a parent you're usually hyper aware of your childs well being. combine that with the apocalypse and yeah, you're gonna think about how all your actions affect your kid. Ben doesn't have that. Hes basically too old to adapt easily, but too young to adapt "naturally." everytime he tries to lean one way, the other side pulls him back down again. whether he tries to be an adult or a kid, he's talked down to. "grow up Ben!" and "what do you know, your just a kid." is the spot that he's stuck in
The part that always gets me is when Ben told Kenny he got his family killed WHILE THEY WERE BEING MOBBED BY ZOMBIES. That alone automatically makes me hate Ben🙃🙃🙃
@@ValiantStranger12 yeah i get that. But i could also see it as him trying to get that weight off his chest because he was afraid he was about to die. With the zombies breaking in and such, he was probably accepting his death and didn't want to die without Kenny knowing the truth. I think him begging Lee to drop him shortly after that only solidifies it.
Naw berleezy when he kept ben alive i was confused but when a saw the ending it made sense to me that why i keep ben alive every time I play for the character development
Kenny is relatable for like older people and those with a family vibe, Ben was more like everyone else. Young, far from home, witnessed the carnage of his school being wiped out, he never got to see his parents or his little sister ever again, the times he's spaced out while on watch he was thinking about his family, where were they, were they alive, if not did they suffer or was it quick. All that on an 19 yr old kids mind while keeping an eye out for bandits, starving, and now living with people who don't even like him
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! People constantly forget that telltale’s twd liability characters were always children. The way they acted or reacted to situations was some of the most realistic features in the game.
Right but it bothers me in alot of the later seasons Because if these people are liability’s then they shouldn’t have survived that long with the possible exception of Sarah.
I never saw the kids as a liability. They're kids after all but maybe except for Ben? Though in his defense, someone really could've taught him how to defend himself. The ones I considered a liability were the ones who just couldn't get along with the group. The environment we're in is already stressful, we don't need another thing to get the group even more stressed.
@@Extra47 He wasn’t the main liability, although he DID happen to fall under the category. He was broken up about how the world is, although it isn’t really an excuse; is an explanation.
I was always nice to Ben and saved him because I know that Id probably be the exact same if I was in his situation, not to mention hes still just a kid in the middle of a zombie apocalypse
ben may be flawed but he was just a teenager who was scared but was trying to help. i keep ben alive everytime i play (damn i started a debate down there)
I’ve said this for awhile now. Everyone claims they’d be a Rick, Daryl, or Lee in the apocalypse, but most would be Ben. I honestly found him to be a sympathetic character because he tried to do the right thing, but always ended up doing the opposite. Though I think him making a deal with the bandits was beneficial in the long run. If he hadn’t have given them supplies, they could’ve just came in and ended everyone way before they did or ambushed them earlier. Ben actually did stave them off for awhile by what he did. I think he’s probably the most realistic character in the game because he’s just a normal kid.
I'd definitely be a Ben or worse..Sarah in these instances. Maybe that's partially why I don't really have much of a hate boner toward them. I'm anxious af in real life, imagine the apocalypse
That's the dumbest excuse I ever saw. "They would've attack anyway". That's kinda the logic St.Johns were using, since Mark was done anyway and they decided to eat him. It was still Ben's fault lol.
fam most of the people who say they can survive the zombie apocalypse dies the second it starts, either due to being eaten alive or simply doing something stupid and die to accidents. A majority of injuries and deaths in a apocalyptic/disaster scenarios is mainly due to people making irrational decisions and panic instead of being calm and collected.
Ben is probably one of the most well-written teenage characters I've ever seen in fiction. Still disappointed that he never got his shot at a full proper arc, but thats just how it goes in the Walking Dead honestly.
It pissed me off that after I saved him and he came with me he still died anyway (in fact I feel that way about a lot of the characters in this game it basically makes your choices meaningless if the conflict happens anyway and all that changes is dialogue why can't me being nice to Lilly allow me to talk her down from shooting Carley)
True. It makes you think what if your choices did change the course of the whole story. For example the scene with Lily where she tells lee to come with her before she steals the RV, what if you actually were able to leave with her and leave the group. Would've been very interesting
@@JG-nz7kx I think it adds a certain level of realism sometimes when even if you try to avert disaster that it might end the same way. Some people can't be reasoned with. Some people are hellbent on doing something and no amount of talking or convincing will work. I like this saying in reference to Telltales TWD games: You control the story, but not the plot. You dictate how Lee sees the world and how other people see Lee, but by in large you can't change what inevitably will happen.
@@inwit594 sorry but, you definately can impact how a story goes, you know, the butterfly effect and whatnot, choices you make should have affected the ending at least a little
I feel like this whole "change the story, not the plot" style of CYOA writing worked better for The Wolf Among Us, in that game, being a dick or being nice doesn't change much at all but it completely reframes the karma surrounding what happens to Bigby. In an asshole playthrough, you actually deserve every fight you get into and the fact that Fabletown has no choice but to let you run amok if they want protection is given more attention.
I always thought that when ben made the deal with the bandits he was also helping the group because it also stopped the bandits from attacking the motel.
Well yeah, of course. But not telling the group was the mistake. They could have prepped for an incoming attack if he owned up to supplying them. If he owned up, they could either keep supplying them or create a plan to evade/counterattack
@@calgrump8458Yeah, but then you remember you got emotionally dysfunctional idiots amongst the group like Lily, Larry, and even Kenny that would shoot you for so much as looking at them the wrong way. Him keeping it a secret was the best for his health. Two of three of those people would have put him down on the spot no questions asked.
I used to hate Ben when the series first came out. When I played season 1 I was 10. I thought that Ben was annoying and just a hinderance to the group. As I got older and into my teen years I realized, "holy shit this would so be me." I like to think that I have things relatively figured out. Or at least as figured out as a guy in his mid 20's can. But I still relate to Ben. Most of us wouldnt be the Lee or the Kenny of the group. Most of us would be the Doug, the Shawn, the Mark of the group. And I full well accept that. Shit id probably be the Doug or the Ben of the group too. But thats why I enjoy his charecter more now. Bens realistic. Hes accurate to what most people would be like
Now with Doug if you saved him over Carly he actually was helpful a lil bit compared to Ben not saying Ben is annoying but he was a major problem and a lot of things he could’ve just spoke on. I get him not understanding things but as I view myself I visually learn and would ask questions. In this type of environment questions and communication are beneficial
Both Ben and duck had so much potential as they were both scared children but people need to understand that it's an apocalypse, people die and make mistakes, Ben was a good character bc he added a sense of realism to the game and showed clem what not to do but at the end of the day, it was him stealing supplies to keep them safe, the hotel would've fallen anyway it was only a matter of time.
Ben is what I believe 90% of older teenagers would be like if a zombie apocalypse was to start out of nowhere. I always have a soft spot for him He's just sadly someone who couldn't adjust to the new world fast enough.
Dude, when I played this game as a kid I always understood Ben and felt like he deserved a better ending. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who kinda likes him.
Awesome video! I think a lot of people tend to dislike Ben and for good reason at times lol. But you can't deny that his character is written very well and as you said realistically. That's why I personally love characters like Ben in post-apocalyptic worlds, because they do show a bit of realism on how some people would behave in that type of world. Not everyone is always gonna be a zombie-killing badass. :D
@@abillz2416 You wouldn't definitively be a Lee, bro just remember that Ben had to see his WHOLE class become zombies in probably less than a week at that point. Bro SAW first hand what one mistake can do, especially when his teacher turned, he wasnt even bitten, now imagine HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of those walking bodies coming your way. If you live in a big city, just look at your surroundings and imagine what it'd be like if every single one of those people just became a lethal dose of poison the moment they bite, maybe even scratch you
I think a lot of people forget that Ben is literally a child. Ben is 16 years old (for comparison, Sarah from season 2 is 15!) And everything that Ben does in season 1 is completely realistic and in character for him and his age. A lot of people would be like Ben, or worse, in the apocalypse. Ben tried his best and it was never good enough. Really sad. I love Ben. great character.
i really never understood why people treated ben the way he did- i never dropped him at crawford. i feel like a lot of people would be even worse than ben if there was an outbreak, even if they say otherwise
@@ryman1933Like seriously 12 comments trying to convince everyone that ben is bad, considering you (along with everyone in this comment section - yes even me) likely wouldn't survive a month is embarrassing
He would be the most of us mostly the teens,being scared and just trying there best to be a part of the group but well make the most time not good decusions
All I saw was the title and I was like yes! I recently rewatched a play through and had that exact thought. People low key think they they’ll be a “Rick”, “Daryl” or even “Lee”. Nope. At 18 he was scared and doing dumb ish. It just so happens that his simple mistakes cost lives when you’re in an undead apocalypse. I’m not gone pretend he didn’t work my last nerve but at the same time I never forgot he wasn’t even a full adult.
I don't think I'd be any of those people. But I definitely wouldn't be ben either. Most people would be someone like omid or some would be a piece of shit like Larry or lily.
@@mr.protagonist5639 People will mostly be either the Ben's and Sarah's or like characters such as Christa, Omid, Carley, Lily (those who are capable enough to not fall apart in fear and pain in the face of a acopalyse but not really special either). A very few amount of people actually become like Kenny, Lee and Molly.
That part when he finally snapped back at Kenny changed my view on Ben. Sure he did a lot of shitty and infuriating things but the kid was so scared and confused because of the apocalypse, plus he never got to see his family unlike Kenny.
I always thought Ben was a heartbreaking, relatable character and seeing the general fandom reaction toward him being so negative made me sad. I adore him and he deserved so much better
The incident at 5:35 is what solidified for me. I find it hard to believe any mentally capable person would leave a child in a situation like that, it could’ve been an easy redeeming situation if you chose the dialogues to give Ben more confidence, but he always abandons her.
I remember a line from a song that I think really fits with Ben as a character “things will be better, when I’m dead and gone. Don’t try to understand knowing you I’m probably wrong, but oh how I’ve lived my for you still you’d turn me away. Now as I die for you my flesh still crawls as I breathe your name”
Yeah it is helpful that he stopped the bandit attacks but he should have talk this with the group Because Lee and Kenny are the ones running around to loot
The thing that pisses me off is if you keep him alive he says Kenny got to say goodbye but he didn’t as Kenny never got to say goodbye to katja as she went and killed herself although I like Ben because if he hadn’t made the deal with the bandits then Kenny might not have finished the work on the rv to get it running and out of there which every1 might have died a couple months earlier or they could have got raided and survived but there would be no escape cuz no rv unless they run
I don't think he meant a literal goodbye, I'm pretty sure he meant goodbye as in, "you got to know what happened to them and are able to make peace in knowing that"
@@Nebularban Yeah imo it's the most tragic part of his story, he's given no choice or chance to go home and find out what happened to his parents and little sister. Everyday he prob looks at Clem and sees his sister and misses her dearly but knows that chances are they're dead or walkers :( Not only that but everything he does in his head is justified, despite it obvi being bad to go behind everyone's back and stealing supplies to give to the bandits, it's actually the best choice as he thought he was saving his friend and considering how many there were with guns he prob thought they couldn't fight back which is actually true since they had to flee anyway (remember he doesn't actually know these people other than they got tricked into going to a cannibal farm). Ben not admitting anything is mad realistic, especially since Lilly was 100% going to leave them on the roadside until she snapped and just started shooting. Also honestly what was he actually meant to do with Clem? Yeah it's cowardly to run without her but besides from possibly picking her up and running what could he do? he didn't have a weapon. Taking the hatchet was stupid but ultimately a mistake, he genuinely wanted to help by being able to kill the walkers when they did break in, he just didn't realise that kept the door shut. TBH considering the door didn't burst open when he took it (meaning there's no walkers behind the door) and they're in a random school they don't know the layout he could've easily gotten confused. I wish Kenny didn't live in S2, it would've made his sacrafice/redemption (yes redemption Kenny is a bit of an unreasonable arse to Ben (and actually most people) all throughout the game even before the bandit reveal) much more impactful and emotional. Ben didn't have any parents to make him feel safe during the apocalypse and Kenny lost his son, they both got each other in their final moments. TL:DR Ben does stupid shit but it's always for a 'good' reason which makes him very believable as a 18 year old kid thrown into the apocalypse.
@@philipshenton6677 thats fairs but in Ben’s defence he didn’t know she shot herself BEFORE saying goodbye. And he’s still kinda right in the idea that Kenny knows what happened, that they ain’t walkers. I could never image being in that situation, the dread of not knowing, all the possibilities running through the head would kill anybody inside
The reason I love Ben’s character so much is because I truly feel like I’d end up like him. It’s so easy to say we’d all become zombie slaying badass survivalists, but in reality a lot and probably the majority of people would be scarred. Ben is at that point in his life we’re he’s not a kid but he’s not an adult. Which is already a confusing thing to go through, so that on top of a zombie apocalypse is even worse. I recently played season 1 and at the time I was 18, now 19. And I feel like if I were in his place, I’d do a lot of the same things. Not everything obviously but a lot of the dumb stuff he did I can see myself doing. The bandits for instance, if I thought they had a friend of mine or family member and these bandits had the power to kill me and all the people I’m with, I’d be so damn scared I’d do anything to see my friend and keep the other survivors safe. I admittedly do dumb stuff sometimes without thinking, like when Ben took the hatchet thinking it’d make a good weapon only for it to allow the walkers in. In a scary ass situation like that I could see myself grabbing the hatchet without thinking why it was there. I understand why people don’t like Ben, specifically him running away from the walkers and leaving Clem. Bro was a nuisance often, but other times he truly had good intentions, he was just too dumb to look into the consequences and such. Ben is a very unlikeable but also very relatable character for me. I more so hate Ben’s decisions, not him as a persons. He was good at heart, but too dumb to do things right. By far one of my favorite characters in the entire series, it was nice seeing a video specifically about him.
Yea this is how I fell aswell. Making split second decisions without truly thinking about it whether under pressure or not is something I do much more often then I would like.
People who think characters like these are just dumb, and that they wouldnt make these mistakes, should really play stuff like project zomboid, really puts into perspective your stupid decisions in a panicked state
Yeah, I don’t think people realize that being panicked/scared or in fight or flight mode at all is scientifically proven to make you dumber. Your body is freaking out and trying to avoid you getting hurt or worse, so all that blood that would be really useful for rational thought is now in your muscles and organs to help you run or fight for your life. Problem is that because of this, if the best or most obvious solution isn’t staring at you right in the face, you’re probably not going to think of it until everything is over.
I actually had an OP run in project zomboid. Get a map, get to the lumber yard. Build walls all around it. And plant crops and traps. You're basically living like a king and if there were human NPC's you could create a working town. IRL however I wouldn't be likely to actually be able to kill any zombies or do all the manual labor required to build an entire town's worth of walls lol XD. Give me a pen or a spork and I'm not killing a zombie by threading it through an eye.
@@genericscout5408 If only it was that easy. Project Zomboid was only an example for how panicked state causes you to mess up. How lucky you are though is different.
@@clarkvillamor999 the panicked stat merely makes your gun miss. You aren’t supposed to use a gun anyway. Comparatively, Digging a ditch or making a chest high fence is enough advantage in that game to make zombies not dangerous.
The saddest part about Ben was that he had to grow up quick in a unforgiving world. And he was not up to it, till the point where he simply gave up. Believing he let the only people he had left in his live down
Well, presumably there weren't any walkers at the door at the time. I assume he just thought the Crawford guys left it there as a last resort before they all got got.
I’m commenting on this video late but hope people can see, I see lots of comments saying most people will be Ben’s and I wanted to share my information to debunk that, if there were more Ben’s than the living wouldn’t be a real threat and there wouldn’t be any bandits, just saying, which is unlikely, I think there would be more bad people than Ben’s and good people like Lee, there’s going to be more bad people.
this might be the best twdg video i have seen. ben is such a slept on character because people don't have the wits to process him as he should be processed. he is a character with a lot of depth and realism in everything he does and i agree with all of your points. ben is a FLAWED character and that is the entire point. he's meant to be realistic and he absolutely nails it. he is made to not be a great person or one who can do everything right because it only makes sense you can SEE the mistakes he makes but you can also see that he WANTS to atone for them. you can see him get katjaa and duck killed, you can see him abandon clementine, you can see him get chuck killed with this too, you can see him unlodge the hatchet, you can see him indirectly get brie killed, and you can see that all of these were horrible mistakes but he did try to atone for them and MOST of them were done with helpful intent. he gave things to the bandits to protect the group because he thought horrible things would happen if he didn't. he unlodged the hatchet to give the group a weapon even if it was a backhanded decision that ended up ruining things. you might think he should have warned the group about the bandits. you might think he shouldn't have unlodged that hatchet. you might think he should have stayed with clementine, you might think he should/could have been smarter and wittier or done things better but he DIDN'T. he didn't do any of this that's the reality of it. he made flawed decisions as a scared kid who WANTED to do his best but that was not really enough, that's ben's entire motto. he messes up horribly while TRYING to do his best and that's what makes him so real. he's no hero and he's no villain he's just a kid in the middle of everything who wants to help and be efficient try as he might and he's undoubtedly real for that. infact, 'he could have done [x] better' is in the same vein as saying 'lee could have moved out of the way of the walker biting him' or 'katjaa could have lived with duck's death' or 'larry could have been calmer and he wouldn't have died' and yes, they could have, but they didn't. all the actions of these characters are set in stone. they did something and had to live with it forever (or not.) and it's exactly the same case with ben. EVERYONE made mistakes. and he is self aware of the fact that he is no hero. he knows he is not a helpful person in the slightest and he's better off OUT of the group. even if he's scared to die he knows it's the best outcome for the group. he legitimately puts them ABOVE his own life because he knows it has no meaning in the grand scheme of things and that his death means only good things and will make things better. he WANTS to do better and is SELF AWARE about the fact that he is a liability and he is a burden to the group and he WANTS to die because he feels he is purposeless. he is upset when lee doesn't drop him and tries to TELL lee that 'they both know he's better off dead' and this makes him so realistic. because try as he might he can't be the best. he can't come to good conclusions. he can't make good decisions and he is painfully aware of this. when he snaps at kenny and finally stands up for himself it gives the group more of an understanding. (and one that the fanbase seems to lack.) this isn't a person intentionally trying to mess things up. this is a scared kid who is scared of being alone, who just wants company. this is a scared kid who is TRYING his best. and they can find more equality with him and within engaging with him. kenny saw ben as the kid that ruined his life and nothing more (and i don't blame him i have to make this clear. ben did that and was held accountable.) until ben opened up to him. that he missed his family. that he was scared and that he just wanted to be treated as an EQUAL. kenny can finally understand ben at the very least. and when he dies (in the last possible scenario) it, to me, is the peak of his character development as well as the development between him and kenny. he is literally being IMPALED and you can tell he's panicking but he's trying to be calm in the face of danger. you can see the look on his face when he falls. the look of horror. you can see the look on his face when he is gripping the railing holding him down, as if he's staring into death itself and realising it's over. and yet he still manages to be calm until the walkers start coming. he TRIES to make a change, to be calm, to be relaxed even if he was in pain and even if he was suffering and struggling, until he realised he was vulnerable to his very worst fear. kenny, now knowing more of who ben is and what he has gone through TRIES to save him. despite what ben has caused him, all the pain, the horror of losing his son and his wife, he still TRIES to be there. because he knows ben is a scared kid who is TRYING and he takes the time to be patient with him. he could have let ben die scared and alone but he chose to give him peace and be there with him EVEN if it meant he would be in the crossfire too. he chose to be with ben as he passed forever, never to be remembered, never to know the safety of his family, but just as his actions were set in stone his fate was too, and he tried to make do with that. and there's so much substance to his character. what bothers me is how the fanbase neglects this. they water ben down to a liability who can't do anything right, and stripping him of the fact that he DOES try to do things right is a HUGE insult to his character. and i don't care if people hate ben and i don't care if people love him. he is a flawed character like it or not and he is absolutely not for everyone. i respect people hating him and i can understand where they're coming from if they PROCESS him properly. but people tend to just say 'oh ben is annoying so i don't like him' that's the POINT. he is meant to be annoying and that's what's so realistic about him. not once have i seen a person say 'ben is a flawed character, he does try but he doesn't do things right and he is just personally not in my taste' it's always been a misanalysation of him that left out crucial parts of his character. ben isn't even the only character this fandom does this with. all the 'liability' characters who were children trying their best. sarah. gabe. tenn. sarah did want to try, but she was hindered by other problems. she was hurt and scared throughout everything and prone to suffering more than the average person. they blame her instead of carlos for sheltering her. all the blame is on her for being a CHILD and gabe is annoying because he doesn't do things right when that's a normal and average thing for a kid like him! he does try but he doesn't do everything correctly and just because of that he's an annoying liability that should die. tenn is TRAUMATISED and makes bad decisions based on that. he is frozen in shock when minerva comes back trying to lure him in. he is a KID who misses his sister and has been grieving for her, and now she's here albeit different. albeit someone else. but it's still his sister. and because of that he's annoying and should die? all these realistic characters that the fandom cannot handle because everyone needs to be PERFECT and nobody can make mistakes. why do people cherrypick the kids in twdg too? why do people say duck should die and cheer when he does, but think clementine is cute and needs to be protected? why do people hate ben, sarah, gabe, tenn when they're just kids just trying to get along in need of love and protection just like clem. people are so careless and ignorant with the beautiful characters they write in this game. people say 'aj is too mature for his age' when he's trying to cope with everything. he's practically forced to be mature and make mistakes. and he makes mistakes but is not penalised for them because he is cute? the double standards the fandom takes frustrate me. all these characters are misinterpreted. the literacy in the twdg fandom has BEEN like this for the past 4-5 years i've been into the game. they've always been ridiculously immature and taken things at face value instead of processing things as they should be. the 'liability' characters are great examples for this that's all i have to say really but if you have anything to respond with i'd love to hear it. sorry this is quite long but i am extremely passionate about this game and how the fandom is sorely disappointing to the characters in it. thanks if you read everything :^) kudos
@@Dbxndzz-re1sr you don't have to like him that's fair to me the whole point is that he's a flawed character and flawed characters aren't for everyone and never have been, you don't have to enjoy him as a character
Damnn i love long comments like this about telltale games and not just walking dead iam talking about every single telltale game....how can people get mad at characters like ben, sarah, duck, I hated carlos for treating sarah like a princess in a ZOMBIE apocalypse...like bruh what did you expected? Even in normal world you cant keep your childrens like that...and this is ZOMBIE apocalypse! And most people WOULD be like ben in a real zombie plague its funny how they can hate realistic characters.... And i feel like telltale doesn't really respect good characters like and just randomly kills them FOR no logical reason like luke, carley, nick, shawn(hershels son), omid etc....and this is not just about walking dead this happens in most of the telltale games I played every single telltale game Walking dead, wolf amoung us, tales of the b, game of thrones(underrated), Minecraft both seasons, batman both seasons, guardians of the galaxy, walking dead michone,walking dead 400 days....i love when i meet people with same passion for this type of games haha! And the thing is it doesn't really matter what you choose in telltale games the story will still be scripted thats the only mood off for me in telltale games....if you manage to save ben be still dies,, same goes for sarah and other characters
I loved ben for a multitude of reasons but mainly i related to him. If i couldnt confirm if my mother, my little sisters or fucking christ forbid my brother, if any of them were alive id be a mess of rage and sadness until my life ended, and id likely make much worse mistakes than Ben if i was in his place. Plus all of his mistakes are understandable especially from the perspective he has, makes me sad how things turn out for him
It's so refreshing to know that this game is still so damn popular, IMO it's the best game series ever. Thank you so much guys, honestly, for keeping it alive.
I was reading the subtitles around the 10:13 mark where Ben tells off Kenny, and Ben pointing out that Kenny got to say goodbye to his family while Ben didn't and never will straight up gave me goosebumps! I remember being very pro Kenny when I first played the game, since he seemed fairly capable, but that line made me realize something that has been nagging at me, a thought that didn't coalesce until I read that: Kenny had (IIRC) almost every advantage that a survivor could have. Close family, hunting skills, and no obvious physical health problems (none that I remember at least), yet he was still consistently an @$$h0le (Censored for yt) to everyone, especially those that didn't instantly beat to his drum. Ben made some absurdly bad decisions, but he doesn't have even close to the advantages Kenny does in an apocalypse. Kenny has no respect for Ben, not just because Ben made horrible decisions, but because Kenny consistently refuses to consider others perspectives, especially if they might actually be worse.
I remember hating Ben back then when I played and funny enough when I was around Bens age. And as I got older, I realize, Ben was just a Kid, not like Clem, but still a Kid. In the normal world, he wasn't able to learn much about the world where he could learn from his mistakes, Then thrown into a new one where simple mistakes (As a Teenager to young adult we make a fuck ton of mistakes) will cost peoples lives and that sucks lol
bites turn you directly over a short period of time due to it being in your bloodstream and reaching your brain. Cutting off a limb to cut off the circulation is not going to work it will just worsen your condition and make your chance of dying higher and since the virus is already inside of everyone it will activate when you die. It's a lose lose scenario because even if you manage to avoid having any fatal health problems for 5 years you can still just randomly die from another human or walker in the span of 30 seconds and end up turned after all of your hard work trying to survive. its basically a dormant airborne virus that activates once your heart stops moving to preserve your host body and keep it going
I believe the immune system stops the turning due to it being airborne. But actually being bitten would cause you to turn regardless. Which is why unbitten people turn when they die.
The death that hit me the hardest in season 1 was always when Ben fell and couldn't move. Kenny takes your bullets and tries to help do something as the zombies converge on them. You hear Ben pleading that he doesn't want to become a walker only to be cut off by a gunshot.
I love this game it's one of the rare kinds of games where the characters are the point of the game and not the forced action of many games because of this the game feels so good to play and is so emotional
The one moment that made me most mad with Ben was when he chose to run away while he was near Clementine in Savannah. He then expects me to trust him with anything. The other moments I can understand, because I doubt I would be any better, but he chose to run away in that specific moment. He basically got Chuck killed and proved that he can't be trusted when it counts.
That's true. I'd say they were trying to show that in legit moments of hardship and difficulty as realistic as Ben is, I don't think he is the kind of person you can rely on. Basically, Jane, but way more useless. They should have made a more believable scene.
I JUST played the first game (Yes, I'm very late to this series lolol) - but literally, I felt so hard for him. Playing as an adult, I saw him for what he is: a scared kid who just lost his (i assume) peers-if-not-friends in the blink of an eye and is now depending on literal strangers to try and stay alive. I'm also neurodivergent, so I also felt for the "well intentional, but clearly wrong thing to do" stuff he's done. Like....I've done those things and I probably still do those things. I felt like I'm dead weight a lot, and I don't doubt that's what he felt when he made mistake after mistake. Ben's so real in every sense. He's just a kid, and he deserves the same protection and chance at life as Clementine and Duck.
really good comment and i much agree. thank you for acknowledging duck aswell this is something i see a lot of people fail to do. all the kids in the series are equal imo and do deserve protection and love, and your viewpoint of him is very mature and tactical compared to most others i've seen talk about him
Even though it is one good thing compared to the other bad things he did, Ben telling the group about destroying the brain is probably the reason everyone, aside from Larry, was able to escape the meat locker, because without knowing that, Larry probably would’ve turned and maybe not kill everybody in there but at the very least one or two people might have been bit
At the start i found him annoying, but those facts he throws to Kenny made me realized, i shouldn't have been harsh to him, bro it's a kid alone in nowhere around people he just met, he doesn't know what happened to his family, and neither his family know what happened to him, bro was crying all nights thinking on his little sister, Kenny was able to say goodbye, he not, Clem is another child surrounded by strangers, but she was smaller, her understanding to the world is lttle, and she still had adults that was around her helping, Ben no, a group made by literal people around 30+ years old, expected to much from a literal kid, his life in the apocalipse was really painful emotionally.
It makes me happy to see people recognizing Ben as a character more. He is only 18 year old that never learned the fate of his loved ones, he is trying his best to fit in, all of his people he knew died or turned. His biggest fear is turning like his teacher and friend. In the end he only wanted to make up for his mistakes and feared turning zombie. Who wouldn't? That's why I could never bare to drop him in the bell tower, that was the last thing he deserved.
sounds like everybody’s story minus the age.. y’all make excuses for selfish dorks who almost got the whole squad k*lled because of his actions.. once zombies start eatin faces you have to brace yourself not make stupid decisions he’s 18 not 6 and clementine was smarter
@@CookinCrack Nah. Clementine grew up during the apocalypse and was taught and looked after by the best of the best. She is 8. We can surmise Ben must've seen most of his friends and teachers die and turn. See people closest to you die, or someone you know as a passing acquaintance die, that will haunt and stay with you. You can't expect someone to always make the right choices in a life or death situation, especially when the dead start getting back up... Ben fully knew the weight of his mistakes, he only tried to make up for past mistakes, it wasn't malicious. That is doesn't mean we are making excuses for him. It's fun to talk about a classic game.
It's funny how this guy got 5 people killed, but immediately gets a free pass, because "mm but good intentions guys...", but Gabe, who's far more younger than Ben, always helped Javi and even apologized for snitching on Javi, but still hated af. Guys, good intentions and he's still a kid! Pretty sure good intentions doesn't mean shit to Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Chuck, Brie and potentially Molly, because you know, they died 🤷♂️
What five people did he get killed?? Lilly killed Doug/Carley, not ben. Putting their death on ben is incredibly brain dead. No one had to die at that moment. Katjaa deleted herself, not Ben's fault even if related, she didn't have to do that. The chuck thing is kind of on him yes but can you really condemn a 16 year old to death because they were terrified of being eaten alive. It's funny seeing people like you acting like you would not make mistakes that put peoples' lives in danger in this situation as a traumatized 16 year old child.
@@FreeEstrogen Carley/Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Brie. I literally mentioned that in my comment. Determinatly got Molly separated from group. He absolutely did. If he would've told the others about his deal, Carley or Doug wouldn't die. Not the mention how Doug had to sacrifice himself for his coward ass. All this could've been avoided if Ben just told Lee about this.
@@5i.260 Ben didn't shoot Carley/Doug, Lilly was on a lynching craze and killed them with no evidence as well, when no one had to die. Yes It was a mistake to not inform the group of the bandits and the deal he had to make. I think 2 of the people you mentioned he got killed are completely bogus which is why I said what five people. Ben was a scared traumatized 16 year old child who witnessed his friends and classmates being slaughtered and assaulted by bandits and eaten by walkers. His intentions were never malicious and he definitely did not deserve to die. It's still funny you ignoring the entire reason he is a liked character is because he is relatable; because he is exactly how so many other people would be in such a situation including likely you.
@@FreeEstrogen Katjaa did that, because of Duck, who was bitten during the raid. And the raid happened because of Ben. It's the whole point of Kenny and Ben relationship. Kenny literally screamed "my wife and child, you got them both fucking killed!". Lee also can say "He got Kenny's family killed" to Christa and Omid. Plus Ben also says "i'm so so sorry about Katjaa and Duck, I am!" in his speech to Kenny. Also also in the Crawford Ben also pointed this out, "and it's my fault that Katjaa and Duck got killed, it I hadn't screwed up they would be alive". Do you need more examples? Or you continue to ignore basic writing? Kenny sacrificed himself in the ally because he felt bad for Ben and was able to forgive him for his mistakes. No, i can't excuse him because he almost got Clem killed, a fucking child. The man, who barely knew Lee's group, sacrificed himself because of Ben for little girl he barely knew. If you would abandon a little girl, then I hope I wouldn't be stuck with you in ZA. I already felt bad for children around you. There's literally Gabe, who's far younger than Ben and actually willing to put his life to save his loved ones (when he saved Kate in episode 1 and hold David while Javi was cutting the rope). His fuck ups I can condemn, because he's actually redeemed himself and can apologize.
@@FreeEstrogen it was a mistake not to inform the group, you're right, that's what got Carley or Doug killed. Excellent, glad you agree! His not malious intentions doesn't mean shit if good people died because of it, believe it or not. I never said he deserved to die, I always saved him and he's not even my least favorite character. Speak for yourself buddy, i'm not a coward who easily abandons the children and doing stupid shit for whatever reasons (taking a hatchet)
People make it sound like Ben telling the group about his deal with the Bandits is somehow a viable option for him. Given Lilly's declining mental state and the fact that Ben is genuinely afraid of her, probably moreso than his fear of being alone, I don't blame Ben in the slightest. Lilly would scare the s*** out of me on a good day, no way do I want to deal with her on a bad day, I probably would've kept quiet if I had made a deal with Bandits, it would eat me up inside having to stay silent, but if the alternative is dealing with a mentally unstable Lilly? Nah I'm keeping quiet, call me a coward all you like, most people would take the coward's path. Besides the deal only had to last until Kenny could fix the RV, which was probably another day or two, had Lee not intervened and taken the meds, the deal would've gone through as planned and no one would've died.
Also you have to remember the group basically saved his life. And repays them with this foolishness? And these same bandits were attacking us in the first place not offering peace but bullets with our names on it.
I really wish your decisions actually mattered in this series would've been cool if you could actually save ben and see how he's held up in later seasons or if he would've died (realistically he'd end up with Kenny in the end)
@@JG-nz7kx I feel like everyone has the same opinion ngl. "Doug is cool but... Carly is Carly" it's just hard to choose the dorky TV guy over the badass girl with a gun
I always hated ben until I realized hes not a college student hes a high schooler. Hes only around 17 to 18 and it made me appreciate and understand him better. I honestly feel bad for getting him purposely killed any chance I got because I thought he was just some annoying dude lol, but no just a annoying kid more or less with nobody to lookout for him
Look, it's not that I'm holding a grudge against Ben for lacking the courage of a lion or the survival instincts of Bear Grylls. The real issue here is his astonishing deficit in basic common sense. I get it, we all have our awkward teenage phases, but there's a point where you need to hit certain milestones. Take this for instance: Ben did the noble thing giving the Bandits supplies. But the kicker? He didn't bother telling anyone else in the group. Sure, maybe he was terrified of Lilly, but he could've at least given Kenny or Lee a heads up. They would've pieced together a strategy, maybe made an exit plan or dealt with those bandits. And let's not pretend there weren't other teenagers around like Russell from 400 Days, who somehow managed not to be a complete fool.
@@ryman1933 Clem has no survival instincts whatsoever. Lees entire journey in the acopalyspe is taking care of Clem. Ben had NOBODY to take care of him in that way. It's also why Clem at Ben's age is far more competent. He has lived most his life normally and gets thrown into a acopalyse, stuck with strangers and no knowledge of what happened to his little sister or parents. Clem grows up in the acopalyse, was privileged enough to learn what happened to her family and was toughened up when she got to Ben's age.
no offense but when you're living in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, faced with a new horror day after day, is not operating on "common sense" REALLY such an outlandish thing? ESPECIALLY when you're operating on fear because the bandits threatened to kill everyone in the group? if Ben just TOLD Lee and Kenny, he would have likely been tossed out right off the bat, considering he was quite new to the group. When you fear being alone like that, you're not exactly operating on common sense. None of us process our circumstances in the same way.
realistically no group would have kept him after the hotel and even before that. i think that ben should have died at the hotel when we meet him and his little group he has no survival awareness and only really serves as a way to kill side characters and the main character later. That alone making hard to even empathies with him. i wana say hes realistic but his choices he make don't really sense. like really think about it how many decision has he mad were you were like "i feel like they just want to kill of this character and use ben as an excuse.
tbh we all think we'd be a Molly, Lee, Jane, or a Kenny in the zombie apocalypse, but in reality we'd probably be a Ben or a Sarah atleast ben died quick though... damn they really made Sarah die the painful way BOTH ways oof lol
See this comment a lot and it’s not as true as you think, most people will be like the bandits, not Ben’s, because everyone being like Ben means the living would never be a threat and that’s unlikely, there will be more bad people like the bandits.
I always loved when Ben put Kenny in his place. Kenny acting like he lost so much forgetting that everyone, literally everyone in the game lost everyone they loved. Kenny at least got to hold onto them longer than the rest did.
I remember play the first time as a young teen. I didn't hate Ben. I was frustrated and annoyed but I couldn't let him Die especially when Clementine voted. And that part where he Yells at Kenny made me smile. Good for you Ben.
You never say everyone when you just mean you, that’s a fact a lot of people on the internet deny, they have to believe everyone’s mentality is the same and when one person is frightened, that means everyone else is easily frightened, which isn’t true, also if there were more Ben’s in the apocalypse than there wouldn’t be bandits or the living being a threat which is unlikely, there would be more bad people than Ben’s.
Your not wrong either, lots of people are saying everyone would be Ben’s when that’s unlikely, most people would be like the bandits more than Ben’s because if most people are Ben’s, the living wouldn’t be a threat and that’s unrealistic.
Exactly, there wouldn’t be Ben’s walking around in the apocalypse, no, the living would be a threat and more than likely be the bandits, not a bunch of Ben’s because the living wouldn’t be a threat and that’s unrealistic.
@ now i want to see a horde of bens lol. But yeah zombies are pretty unthreatening. Get a 2 story house, get a sledgehammer or axe and a saw and take out the stairs and get a ladder. You now have a completely zombie proof house. Now you have to worry about the pesky intelligent non-Bens getting in with their tricks
TWD Telltale is one of my most favorite franchises, i've always said Lee is the most human fictional character EVER made, but Ben? he def beats Lee in that aspect man.
Even then I was younger I still felt I had more media literacy then many. Even through the hate. Ben was my favorite character. I thought it would've been amazing for him to grow and maybe even try to take care of Clem when Lee was gone. They could've learned so much for each other if he had that opportunity to step up and be a main stay character.
Sure, but the reason I hate Ben is because he got almost everyone killed starting with trading with the bandits had the motel overrun got Doug and Carly killed. his screw up left lily on the side of a road and becoming an antagonist in s4 and the deaths caused by lily. duck and katjaa’s death leading to Kenny becoming broken, left clementine behind causing chuck’s death,took the axe out the door bringing walkers into Crawford, told Kenny the truth wasting time causing Brie’s death and his own, was the reason Molly left, and is the reason Kenny sacrificed himself for him
@@smokingmeteor Let's be honest; they would have attacked anyway. They had no food since the ranch was gone, and from what we know, if they would've gotten their way, they would've taken the women, and you know, Ben really saved them time, yeah he could've told someone, but with how things were, I see why he didn't tell anyone. Chuck wasn't his fault; there is no way he could've fought those walkers with his bare hands; Clem could've run with him; now Crawford is terrible; I can't lie, but his death is the reason Kenny even gets over his wife and son in the first place and he in a way saves Kenny from dying in an even worse situation with Christa. Ben isn't a bad guy; it's apocalypse. People will die regardless, and Ben made many hard, well-intentioned decisions. The only actual sin he committed was trying to help the group instead of just looking out for himself.
@@DoublePlatTo what you said about Clem & Chuck: that is 100% Ben fault. I like how everyone (not necessarily you) giving Ben a pass for being a scared lil spinless bitch bc he a teenager but you just said “Clem could have ran with him” a literal harmless child and not the socially awkward young adult lol. Chuck did what he could and died for it- maybe you dont blame Ben for his death but the fact remains Chuck would have lived longer if Ben just picked up the 30 pound toddler and RAN WITH THE GROUP OR TO LEE. Simple math there. & maybe you are right about the Bandits and how he simply bought them time but he also could have very easily have told Lee and the group about the bandits the very first encounter and he would have been able to present his plan for the dilemma- i.e. ration with the bandits/find the truth if they actually have his friend. Which Would have panned out alot better in the future and the group would have been prepared for the fight and whoever died would not have been blood on BEN HANDS- YES some ppl would have died regardless but that doesn’t change the fact that in the story WE GOT- all died because of Ben stealing AND lying for the bandits. Here i actually do see this as a moment of him looking out for himself and NOT the group. We do see eye to eye on Crawford and its character development for him and Kenny as you said but ima drop his ass everytime at the bell tower for everything leading up to that point. All this to say is I do relate to Ben and wanted to feel for him and protect him but the shit he did is just flat out shit i would not do putting myself in his shoes: When it comes to betraying the group with the bandits knowing blood might spill or ppl will take the fall for what i did, the total lack of IQ at Crawford flying right out of the window by removing a weapon CLEARLY being used as a barricade - i mean CLEARLY! BLOOD WAS ON THE OTHER END OF THE DOOR!! And finally leaving a fucking child to die when it is 100% in my power to just take her with me and away from danger. Ben is being given too much credit and his death isnt even a martyrs death. Its useless, a pity shame for others and a good riddance moment for most. EDIT: & Oh Kenny kinda becomes a villian in season two DUE to the events of Season one & i had to put Kenny down at the end (only cannon ending in my eyes for Season Two) so i do not think saving Ben saved kenny. It made kenny worse and worse and worse beyond repair.
@@smokingmeteor I mean honestly Ben was a net negative for the group but I couldn’t be mad at him for most of his decisions, yeah he could’ve told the group about the deal with the bandits but with how Lilly was acting I understand why he didn’t say anything, and he actually saved everyone unintentionally by giving us enough time to fix the RV, now with him getting saved by Carley or the other guy( I forgot his name) I can’t vouch for that, he should’ve at least tried to push them out the way. With Clem Ngl he should’ve did more but if he tried to carry her he probably would’ve fell, or he could’ve at-least grabbed her arm. After I saved him it really seemed like he was turning a new leaf, he found the attic,grabbed Lee’s gun that fell and it realy seemed like he was going to be an real member of the crew until he got unlucky. Yeah Kenny does go crazy but it seems he had a pretty good head on his shoulders until his second wife died then he really loses it. And with the amount of times he saved Lee and Clem I can’t be mad at the guy for going crazy, the fact that he had a wife and child made me pretty much realize he never stood a chance but he still pushed through and helped Lee save Clem and did his best with Ben too. I had to respect him for how long he held out. From my prospective I saved Ben because even though he screwed up bad plenty of times it was never intentional. Unlike Lilly and her father😂 I genuinely hate those two
@@DoublePlatyeah you speaking facts i cant lie. It was never going to be a good turn out for Ben- Its just the consequences of your actions is still the consequences of your actions. We all gotta live with them. Lily most definitely would have killed him at the RV with what we know now but if he would have informed the group before there was even treachery to be accused of, who knows how she would have responded. Bc you gotta remember she was pissed about her dad being killed whether we helped or not but still worked with and trusted Lee. What lit the fuse to her bomb was discovering rations coming up lighter and lighter over the span of months while starving knowing someone is responsible. Ben doing that is what started her villian arc- I hated her father too but i hated kenny killed him without letting us come up with a better plan BUT AT THE SAME TIME that asshole of a father was quick to turn on everyone else who he thought was bit or turning so he had it coming fasho.
I kept him alive as much as I could, and when Kenny forgave him and mercy killed him so he wouldn’t die the way he was most scared of dying by is great character development. I’ll forever defend Ben ❤️
I’m willing to forgive Ben. Especially, looking back on the story, now. 😔😞😢🥺😭💔❤️🩹 - He’s just an average teen with no survivalist training or experience. - He’s remorseful for his actions. - The bandits are the ones to be hated. They lied about having Ben’s friend. They threatened him if he were to stop giving supplies. They are hypocrites saying that Lee’s group “stole from them,” when it was the other way around. They’re a bunch of rapist monsters, as implied by Jolene (the crazy woman at the end of episode 2). Most importantly, if it weren’t for the bandits, Duck would’ve never gotten bitten & Katjaa would’ve never committed suicide. So, they are the real ones who are more directly responsible for Duck & Katjaa. - The bandits would’ve raided the motor inn, anyway. However, it would have been a worse outcome since Kenny would not have been able to finish the RV in time, and they would’ve all died or gotten taken away by the bandits. So, paradoxically Ben bought Kenny & everyone enough time to have a means of escape. Plus, they were all going to be leaving, anyway. - Lilly intentionally shoots Carley or accidentally shoots Doug when she was trying to intentionally shoot Ben instead. Regardless, Lilly should’ve never pulled out her gun and shot at anyone. She had zero factual proof of anyone who was responsible for giving the supplies away to the bandits. - Ben was remorseful for panicking after he was surrounded by walkers and left Clementine, especially after Lee confronted him about it. - Technically speaking it was Molly responsible for accidentally getting Chuck killed by ringing that bell and luring the walkers. However, I’m willing to forgive her because she didn’t know about Lee’s group being there at the time. On, another note. Chuck did also kind of volunteered to hold them off to get everyone else to safety. I mean he could’ve just ran with the group to the house after Clementine got saved. - He helped searching around the house to make sure it was clear, and alerted Lee that Kenny was in the attic. Then Lee helped put the little boy out of his misery (if you choose to do so). - Although, he left Clementine in the yard by herself with the Stranger stalking them at that time, thankfully nothing bad happened. - This next one is a really difficult one for me to think it over and wonder if I should forgive him for this, and yes, I can. Despite the fact that he removed the hatchet from the door handles which caused the walkers to get in, he didn’t know and was just trying to help. Plus, they already got everything they needed for the boat and were all on their way out, anyway. - He was willing to admit the truth to Kenny. - This next one was also a long and hard thought, but yes, I can still forgive Ben for this one. Brie could’ve easily survived the second Kenny got that door open that leads to the bell tower. There was no need for her to still be leaning against the door she was at. - He was willing to let himself die so that everyone could escape and live when he was hanging onto Lee’s arm, proving how sincere his remorse is. He even said, “Get Clem & the others out of here,” proving his care about her and everyone else. - When Clementine gets taken by the Stranger he can go with you to help look for her. - After Ben tells Kenny to, “Stop pushing him around and stop wishing he was dead,” and to, “Give him a fucking break,” after telling him he had the chance to say goodbye to his family while he didn’t, Kenny actually for a moment feels bad and sympathetic for Ben saying, “Aw, Ben, I’m-….” - When walkers are coming into the house he is willing to help Lee and everyone fight them off, proving that he can be capable of being resourceful and brave enough to help fight. Effectively, completing his character arc from being what we thought would be a liability eventually turned into an asset. - When he falls and the walkers are coming Kenny has no other choice but to shoot and kill Ben, which technically speaking means Kenny ended up kind of getting his revenge on Ben. Also, Ben did openly state in episode 3 when they meet Omid & Christa, that if he is ever doomed to be surrounded by walkers and there is no way out, he would much rather go out with a bullet to his head. So, technically he got his way out that he would much rather have. So, yeah. I actually feel for Ben. I forgive him. Now, if you want characters to hate for good reasons in this franchise, look no further than Jane from season 2 & Gabe from season 3. Now, those two were just unbearable. 😤😠😡🤬💢
Okay, so Gabe, who was really useful in his own way throughout the season 3, didn't get anyone killed, was ready to go on dangerous missions (getting the truck and saving his dad), actually wasn't acting like an asshole when people called him out is more unbearable than Ben, who got 5 people killed and almost got Molly and Clem killed as well. I'm sorry, but what? Did Gabe murdered someone? The whole point of Kenny being mad at Ben was his role in his family's death. He was responsible, that was the point.
It's simple. Ben is scared like a 18 year old should be but yet wants to help people at the same time.
Ben is 16
@@Kumomokko Still smashable.
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@@Donnie_ronnie true
The most realistic characters are the characters that don't have the writers on their side. The characters that don't have awkward amounts of plot armor or are the fan favorites are the most realistic ones.
I mean, even with those details. The MC can still be the most realistic. It just depends.
Even arvo?
I dunno, characters that are often whiny, are some of the most well-disliked characters.
I'm glad yall starting to realize that most of you would sacrifice a little girl for your own well being. Best to say Ben is the most realistic for dudes like you who relate.
@@Godloveszaza I don’t relate. And honestly, that thinking can depend on person. Its realistic even if you don’t wanna sacrifice said kid for your own benefit.
He was such a realistic character, bro, but I really feel like most characters in that first season felt real. That’s why it was such a great game.
it was everyday people adjusting to the new world, season 2 is at least a year and a half after everything so more people started to pursue self preservation
@@Cuunke2 years after almost 3
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People need to remember that Ben is a literal kid. People think he's in college, but he's a high schooler. He is exactly who Clem would be if the apocalypse had happened ten years later, after she had grown up in a completely normal world as a normal teenage girl. He's who Clem would be if she hadn't had Lee. And honestly, being totally realistic - he is who most of US would be, as well.
It's the problem with a lot of media, especially horror. People always complain about others making mistakes in extremely stressful life or death situations while watching from our couches. It is annoying but when written correctly it's very understandable.
I give Ben slack for quite a lot .It was taking the axe out of the door handle in the school during Ch 4 I think that I just gave up on the idiot. He didnt stop for a second to think that maybe that axe was there for a reason? He could of checked with anyone first before just grabbing that. I dropped his ass at that point.
Obviously I’ll still be mad at ben, I mean no offense but I feel like im just compelled to not like someone if they sent bandits to our only fort, but still I think people don’t give him any slack.
Yeah Ben was in the special ed classes also. He's extremely slow.
I disagree with the “he is who most of us would be”. Only because there’s *quite* a few gun toting ppl who wouldn’t necessarily be “scared, more so cautious. I myself live remotely in Texas and wouldn’t be too concerned. (Keep in mind, I’m talking about TWD zombies, not 28 Days Later “infected” or shi like that 😂)
Never thought Id see a 15 minute video essay on Ben from the walkig dead season 1, hella underrated character imo
Ben isn’t underrated at all💀
Ben is my goat
@@Dbxndzz-re1srbro just saying shit 😂 dude ain’t do anything but get ppl killed
@@Dbxndzz-re1sr if Ben was a wannabe hardass itd be more realistic, most people think they'd act like Kenney when in reality, including me most likely, would act like Ben, thoughts are one thing, not many can bring themself to act on thoughts alone
And overhated but he deserves it
Ben is a good example of a character who is meant to be dislikable and achieves that perfectly. He's not some villain that gets the upperhand against the heroes-he's just a scared kid who makes mistakes. And a lot of them. Unfortunately for him, the apocalypse is not nearly as forgiving as those around him were.
He's a wonderful example of trying to take the route of least conflict and best results while lacking the foresight to avoid banking up trouble for later. Everything he did wrong was the result of good intentions that he either didn't think all the way through or lacked the full information to know that it was a bad idea... and I kind of love him for that because it's a brilliant example of how the vast majority of people would fuck up fatally (because very few of us would be prepared to adjust to the 'new rules').
Exactly
I sure wasn’t. I made sure he’d become walker food the first chance I got. That was for Carley.
@@NessaBluegem thats lily fault
@@hueyfreeman6262Because of what Ben did.
i agree! i feel like everyone believes theyed be a Lee in an apocalypse, doing everything "right", fighting tooth and nail for their loved ones, and being the ultimate survivor. In reality most of us would be like ben. Scared, confused, desperate and riddled with flaws. We'd probably agree to a deal if it meant a captured loved one was safely released. We probably wouldn't fight against a vernon who has a gun to our head. and we may even freeze up and flee when we are cornered by walkers...possibly putting others in danger. We would fuck up and make mistakes, but we would hope that people would forgive us. Thats why I've never hated Ben. At times I wanted to. but I just couldn't. He goes through just as much as the other characters yet everyone only sees him for his mistakes...they forget he's just a teenager and MOST people, especially at that age, arent natural born survivors
edit: oh and I also want to point out something a lot of people seem to not think about... raids happen ALL THE TIME in TWD. Random ass groups show up and start attacking a location, zombies flood in, and people die. Sure Ben wasn't making it any better by giving to them, but people should stop acting as if kajaa and duck would 100% still be here without his actions. The only reason that rival group didn't attack the place from the beginning is because there was a chance at getting even more supplies from them as time went on. If it wasn't for the deal Ben made, they likely would have been raided in the night and everything would have played out the same. As for Carlys death, that's lilys fault- not Bens. Lilly never should have pulled her gun on a group member without knowing the full story. She was becoming unhinged and her pulling the trigger is what killed carly. Not Ben giving supplies away. Yes, they were directly related, but no one had to die that day. Lilly chose to kill her, that's not Bens fault
What I dont like is that some people say that Clementine is more capable and useful then Ben without even realizing that Lee is the sole reason why she is so capable and usefull. Nobody taught Ben how to survive and he had noone that he could talk to. Lets say that he got close to Carley/Doug to a level where they are friends then he would probably say that the bandits tricked him.
@@whitewolf9159 yeah, like it also ignores some pretty basic psychology lol... kids learn fast. They are pretty adaptable and clem is at the perfect age to learn to be a survivor. Ben has already lived what...17ish years in a normal world. So yeah, it would be harder for him to adapt. He also doesn't have the looming responsibility of caring for a child like Kenny and lee do. so to me, it makes sense why he isn't naturally in that mindset of constantly worrying about how his actions will affect others. When you become a parent you're usually hyper aware of your childs well being. combine that with the apocalypse and yeah, you're gonna think about how all your actions affect your kid. Ben doesn't have that. Hes basically too old to adapt easily, but too young to adapt "naturally." everytime he tries to lean one way, the other side pulls him back down again. whether he tries to be an adult or a kid, he's talked down to. "grow up Ben!" and "what do you know, your just a kid." is the spot that he's stuck in
The part that always gets me is when Ben told Kenny he got his family killed WHILE THEY WERE BEING MOBBED BY ZOMBIES. That alone automatically makes me hate Ben🙃🙃🙃
Imagine it was an option to train Ben how to survive with Clem, maybe then Ben could finally grow that beard
@@ValiantStranger12 yeah i get that. But i could also see it as him trying to get that weight off his chest because he was afraid he was about to die. With the zombies breaking in and such, he was probably accepting his death and didn't want to die without Kenny knowing the truth. I think him begging Lee to drop him shortly after that only solidifies it.
Naw berleezy when he kept ben alive i was confused but when a saw the ending it made sense to me that why i keep ben alive every time I play for the character development
Eazy gang 🔥🔥🔥
@mudkip7520 naw fr if u didn't watch the berleezy play through of the walking dead consider yourself an opp
@@Bomboclat91fr
Facts
"where is the swing on Ben button"
Kenny is relatable for like older people and those with a family vibe, Ben was more like everyone else. Young, far from home, witnessed the carnage of his school being wiped out, he never got to see his parents or his little sister ever again, the times he's spaced out while on watch he was thinking about his family, where were they, were they alive, if not did they suffer or was it quick. All that on an 19 yr old kids mind while keeping an eye out for bandits, starving, and now living with people who don't even like him
Bro did well cause I would’ve probably pulled a Sarah season 2 moment
i enjoy the fact that youtube is putting so many small youtubers on the main page and giving them attention they deserve
Yesss this and L4D2 making a come back on my fyp is the best
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! People constantly forget that telltale’s twd liability characters were always children. The way they acted or reacted to situations was some of the most realistic features in the game.
Right but it bothers me in alot of the later seasons
Because if these people are liability’s then they shouldn’t have survived that long with the possible exception of Sarah.
Most weren’t most were just dumb or there
What about Nick from season 2? That guy had no excuse.
I never saw the kids as a liability. They're kids after all but maybe except for Ben? Though in his defense, someone really could've taught him how to defend himself.
The ones I considered a liability were the ones who just couldn't get along with the group. The environment we're in is already stressful, we don't need another thing to get the group even more stressed.
@@Extra47 He wasn’t the main liability, although he DID happen to fall under the category. He was broken up about how the world is, although it isn’t really an excuse; is an explanation.
I was always nice to Ben and saved him because I know that Id probably be the exact same if I was in his situation, not to mention hes still just a kid in the middle of a zombie apocalypse
ben may be flawed but he was just a teenager who was scared but was trying to help. i keep ben alive everytime i play (damn i started a debate down there)
yeah his way of helping costed group a lot
he was a total regard and a liability to everyones safety, clem is half his age and twice as smart
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@@ryszakowy i know and i agree with you but he did try to help even if it hurt the group
@@ryman1933 yeah i agree but he had good intentions even if he was a dumbass
@@ryman1933 Clem is only smarter because she had Lee. Clementine literally would’ve been the exact same way if Lee didn’t stumble upon her
I’ve said this for awhile now. Everyone claims they’d be a Rick, Daryl, or Lee in the apocalypse, but most would be Ben. I honestly found him to be a sympathetic character because he tried to do the right thing, but always ended up doing the opposite. Though I think him making a deal with the bandits was beneficial in the long run. If he hadn’t have given them supplies, they could’ve just came in and ended everyone way before they did or ambushed them earlier. Ben actually did stave them off for awhile by what he did. I think he’s probably the most realistic character in the game because he’s just a normal kid.
I'd definitely be a Ben or worse..Sarah in these instances. Maybe that's partially why I don't really have much of a hate boner toward them. I'm anxious af in real life, imagine the apocalypse
Screw that noise I'd be Omid or Luke, I'd try to step up and then immediately eat shit for it because I have noble intentions but I still suck 😂
Denying them supplies might make them think you didn't have things to spare. The more you show the more the other side wants to loot.
That's the dumbest excuse I ever saw. "They would've attack anyway". That's kinda the logic St.Johns were using, since Mark was done anyway and they decided to eat him. It was still Ben's fault lol.
fam most of the people who say they can survive the zombie apocalypse dies the second it starts, either due to being eaten alive or simply doing something stupid and die to accidents. A majority of injuries and deaths in a apocalyptic/disaster scenarios is mainly due to people making irrational decisions and panic instead of being calm and collected.
Ben is probably one of the most well-written teenage characters I've ever seen in fiction. Still disappointed that he never got his shot at a full proper arc, but thats just how it goes in the Walking Dead honestly.
Ben was a teenager who could of opened his mouth and asked to learn how to fight or shoot
It pissed me off that after I saved him and he came with me he still died anyway (in fact I feel that way about a lot of the characters in this game it basically makes your choices meaningless if the conflict happens anyway and all that changes is dialogue why can't me being nice to Lilly allow me to talk her down from shooting Carley)
True. It makes you think what if your choices did change the course of the whole story. For example the scene with Lily where she tells lee to come with her before she steals the RV, what if you actually were able to leave with her and leave the group. Would've been very interesting
@@JG-nz7kx I think it adds a certain level of realism sometimes when even if you try to avert disaster that it might end the same way.
Some people can't be reasoned with. Some people are hellbent on doing something and no amount of talking or convincing will work.
I like this saying in reference to Telltales TWD games: You control the story, but not the plot. You dictate how Lee sees the world and how other people see Lee, but by in large you can't change what inevitably will happen.
@@inwit594Still sorta lame though.
@@inwit594 sorry but, you definately can impact how a story goes, you know, the butterfly effect and whatnot, choices you make should have affected the ending at least a little
I feel like this whole "change the story, not the plot" style of CYOA writing worked better for The Wolf Among Us, in that game, being a dick or being nice doesn't change much at all but it completely reframes the karma surrounding what happens to Bigby. In an asshole playthrough, you actually deserve every fight you get into and the fact that Fabletown has no choice but to let you run amok if they want protection is given more attention.
I always thought that when ben made the deal with the bandits he was also helping the group because it also stopped the bandits from attacking the motel.
Well yeah, of course. But not telling the group was the mistake.
They could have prepped for an incoming attack if he owned up to supplying them. If he owned up, they could either keep supplying them or create a plan to evade/counterattack
@@calgrump8458Yeah, but then you remember you got emotionally dysfunctional idiots amongst the group like Lily, Larry, and even Kenny that would shoot you for so much as looking at them the wrong way. Him keeping it a secret was the best for his health. Two of three of those people would have put him down on the spot no questions asked.
I used to hate Ben when the series first came out. When I played season 1 I was 10. I thought that Ben was annoying and just a hinderance to the group. As I got older and into my teen years I realized, "holy shit this would so be me." I like to think that I have things relatively figured out. Or at least as figured out as a guy in his mid 20's can. But I still relate to Ben. Most of us wouldnt be the Lee or the Kenny of the group. Most of us would be the Doug, the Shawn, the Mark of the group. And I full well accept that. Shit id probably be the Doug or the Ben of the group too. But thats why I enjoy his charecter more now. Bens realistic. Hes accurate to what most people would be like
doesn't make him not a total regard
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I'd be a cannibal
@@ryman1933this guy 12
Now with Doug if you saved him over Carly he actually was helpful a lil bit compared to Ben not saying Ben is annoying but he was a major problem and a lot of things he could’ve just spoke on. I get him not understanding things but as I view myself I visually learn and would ask questions. In this type of environment questions and communication are beneficial
@@gabrielegenota1480Bro was 0 when this game was released😂
Both Ben and duck had so much potential as they were both scared children but people need to understand that it's an apocalypse, people die and make mistakes, Ben was a good character bc he added a sense of realism to the game and showed clem what not to do but at the end of the day, it was him stealing supplies to keep them safe, the hotel would've fallen anyway it was only a matter of time.
Tbh I think duck was autistic
Ben is what I believe 90% of older teenagers would be like if a zombie apocalypse was to start out of nowhere. I always have a soft spot for him He's just sadly someone who couldn't adjust to the new world fast enough.
Dude, when I played this game as a kid I always understood Ben and felt like he deserved a better ending. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who kinda likes him.
Awesome video! I think a lot of people tend to dislike Ben and for good reason at times lol. But you can't deny that his character is written very well and as you said realistically. That's why I personally love characters like Ben in post-apocalyptic worlds, because they do show a bit of realism on how some people would behave in that type of world. Not everyone is always gonna be a zombie-killing badass. :D
We all think we'll be like Lee when a zombie apocalypse happens when in reality we'll be like Ben😂😂
I don't want to be like Lee, he trip over everything even air 😆
@@Zhantaeetripping over blood twice💀
Lmao who's WE there would be some people like Lee some people like Ben some people like Kenny and some like Carley etc
@@abillz2416 You wouldn't definitively be a Lee, bro just remember that Ben had to see his WHOLE class become zombies in probably less than a week at that point. Bro SAW first hand what one mistake can do, especially when his teacher turned, he wasnt even bitten, now imagine HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of those walking bodies coming your way. If you live in a big city, just look at your surroundings and imagine what it'd be like if every single one of those people just became a lethal dose of poison the moment they bite, maybe even scratch you
@tjrex9458 I know damn well I wouldn't be Lee I'm just saying
I think a lot of people forget that Ben is literally a child. Ben is 16 years old (for comparison, Sarah from season 2 is 15!) And everything that Ben does in season 1 is completely realistic and in character for him and his age. A lot of people would be like Ben, or worse, in the apocalypse. Ben tried his best and it was never good enough. Really sad. I love Ben. great character.
Sarah was autistic and sheltered so she gets cut more slack
i really never understood why people treated ben the way he did- i never dropped him at crawford. i feel like a lot of people would be even worse than ben if there was an outbreak, even if they say otherwise
Yea you a Ben too lack in every department
ben is a total regard, if you relate to him thats not a good thing tbh.
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@@ryman1933How would u fare in a zombie apocalypse?? and ur dumbass better not say u would be completely calm
@@ryman1933Like seriously 12 comments trying to convince everyone that ben is bad, considering you (along with everyone in this comment section - yes even me) likely wouldn't survive a month is embarrassing
@@ryman1933You're embarrassing yourself buddy
He would be the most of us mostly the teens,being scared and just trying there best to be a part of the group but well make the most time not good decusions
I fucking loved Ben I understood his actions and treated him as kindly as possible and was devastated at his death
Glad to see the fandom for this game is still around ❤️
"if i was him, i woul-"
stop right there, you'd do exactly what ben does
All I saw was the title and I was like yes! I recently rewatched a play through and had that exact thought. People low key think they they’ll be a “Rick”, “Daryl” or even “Lee”. Nope. At 18 he was scared and doing dumb ish. It just so happens that his simple mistakes cost lives when you’re in an undead apocalypse. I’m not gone pretend he didn’t work my last nerve but at the same time I never forgot he wasn’t even a full adult.
I don't think I'd be any of those people. But I definitely wouldn't be ben either. Most people would be someone like omid or some would be a piece of shit like Larry or lily.
@@mr.protagonist5639 People will mostly be either the Ben's and Sarah's or like characters such as Christa, Omid, Carley, Lily (those who are capable enough to not fall apart in fear and pain in the face of a acopalyse but not really special either). A very few amount of people actually become like Kenny, Lee and Molly.
That part when he finally snapped back at Kenny changed my view on Ben. Sure he did a lot of shitty and infuriating things but the kid was so scared and confused because of the apocalypse, plus he never got to see his family unlike Kenny.
Then he should of got tougher and go find his family instead of being a scared teenager
@@Keepitcumming Helps you find Clem and dies do purely to being unlucky.
@@DoublePlat exactly 🤣 like bro was just meant to die sadly
chuck was such a cool dude
I always thought Ben was a heartbreaking, relatable character and seeing the general fandom reaction toward him being so negative made me sad. I adore him and he deserved so much better
The incident at 5:35 is what solidified for me. I find it hard to believe any mentally capable person would leave a child in a situation like that, it could’ve been an easy redeeming situation if you chose the dialogues to give Ben more confidence, but he always abandons her.
my thing there was just like “bro, u couldn’t quickly grab her hand & run?🤦♂️ she was RIGHT THERE bro😭”
Ben indirectly killed so many people I started to think he was doing it intentionally.
💀what kind of logic is that
@@neutralGuy777 If you shit on the floor once its an accident, but three times in one week is getting suspicious.
Leaving clem was wild af. that should have been the moment he proved himself
I remember a line from a song that I think really fits with Ben as a character “things will be better, when I’m dead and gone. Don’t try to understand knowing you I’m probably wrong, but oh how I’ve lived my for you still you’d turn me away. Now as I die for you my flesh still crawls as I breathe your name”
i always have mixed feelings towards Ben
Ben being scared is fine. What annoys me is that he NEVER learns from his mistakes
Well, I kinda defending him, but he makes different kind of mistakes, not the same one
@@user-puthison still a total regard
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@@user-puthison Well start asking adults for questions before you do an action
Exactly
Yeah it is helpful that he stopped the bandit attacks but he should have talk this with the group
Because Lee and Kenny are the ones running around to loot
The thing that pisses me off is if you keep him alive he says Kenny got to say goodbye but he didn’t as Kenny never got to say goodbye to katja as she went and killed herself although I like Ben because if he hadn’t made the deal with the bandits then Kenny might not have finished the work on the rv to get it running and out of there which every1 might have died a couple months earlier or they could have got raided and survived but there would be no escape cuz no rv unless they run
I don't think he meant a literal goodbye, I'm pretty sure he meant goodbye as in, "you got to know what happened to them and are able to make peace in knowing that"
@@easy_sneezy You're prolly right. Its why Ben said "They could be dead, or alive, or walkers, or worse, or I dont know!"
@@Nebularban Yeah imo it's the most tragic part of his story, he's given no choice or chance to go home and find out what happened to his parents and little sister. Everyday he prob looks at Clem and sees his sister and misses her dearly but knows that chances are they're dead or walkers :(
Not only that but everything he does in his head is justified, despite it obvi being bad to go behind everyone's back and stealing supplies to give to the bandits, it's actually the best choice as he thought he was saving his friend and considering how many there were with guns he prob thought they couldn't fight back which is actually true since they had to flee anyway (remember he doesn't actually know these people other than they got tricked into going to a cannibal farm).
Ben not admitting anything is mad realistic, especially since Lilly was 100% going to leave them on the roadside until she snapped and just started shooting. Also honestly what was he actually meant to do with Clem? Yeah it's cowardly to run without her but besides from possibly picking her up and running what could he do? he didn't have a weapon.
Taking the hatchet was stupid but ultimately a mistake, he genuinely wanted to help by being able to kill the walkers when they did break in, he just didn't realise that kept the door shut. TBH considering the door didn't burst open when he took it (meaning there's no walkers behind the door) and they're in a random school they don't know the layout he could've easily gotten confused.
I wish Kenny didn't live in S2, it would've made his sacrafice/redemption (yes redemption Kenny is a bit of an unreasonable arse to Ben (and actually most people) all throughout the game even before the bandit reveal) much more impactful and emotional. Ben didn't have any parents to make him feel safe during the apocalypse and Kenny lost his son, they both got each other in their final moments.
TL:DR Ben does stupid shit but it's always for a 'good' reason which makes him very believable as a 18 year old kid thrown into the apocalypse.
I agree with you guys btw I was just saying my view in a way
@@philipshenton6677 thats fairs but in Ben’s defence he didn’t know she shot herself BEFORE saying goodbye. And he’s still kinda right in the idea that Kenny knows what happened, that they ain’t walkers. I could never image being in that situation, the dread of not knowing, all the possibilities running through the head would kill anybody inside
The reason I love Ben’s character so much is because I truly feel like I’d end up like him. It’s so easy to say we’d all become zombie slaying badass survivalists, but in reality a lot and probably the majority of people would be scarred.
Ben is at that point in his life we’re he’s not a kid but he’s not an adult.
Which is already a confusing thing to go through, so that on top of a zombie apocalypse is even worse.
I recently played season 1 and at the time I was 18, now 19. And I feel like if I were in his place, I’d do a lot of the same things. Not everything obviously but a lot of the dumb stuff he did I can see myself doing.
The bandits for instance, if I thought they had a friend of mine or family member and these bandits had the power to kill me and all the people I’m with, I’d be so damn scared I’d do anything to see my friend and keep the other survivors safe.
I admittedly do dumb stuff sometimes without thinking, like when Ben took the hatchet thinking it’d make a good weapon only for it to allow the walkers in. In a scary ass situation like that I could see myself grabbing the hatchet without thinking why it was there.
I understand why people don’t like Ben, specifically him running away from the walkers and leaving Clem.
Bro was a nuisance often, but other times he truly had good intentions, he was just too dumb to look into the consequences and such.
Ben is a very unlikeable but also very relatable character for me.
I more so hate Ben’s decisions, not him as a persons. He was good at heart, but too dumb to do things right.
By far one of my favorite characters in the entire series, it was nice seeing a video specifically about him.
Yea this is how I fell aswell. Making split second decisions without truly thinking about it whether under pressure or not is something I do much more often then I would like.
I'm know I'm not gonna be someone like Lee, but I know know damn well, I ain't gonna be someone like Ben 😂
@@abillz2416 Good for you
Well in that case if everyone’s a Ben like the echo chamber here believes, than there is no living threat in the apocalypse.
Fantastic video! 💯 I love Ben because he is so realistic and human. He represents how most real people would be in the zombie apocalypse.
After all these year, new content of my favorite TWD game ❤
People who think characters like these are just dumb, and that they wouldnt make these mistakes, should really play stuff like project zomboid, really puts into perspective your stupid decisions in a panicked state
Yeah, I don’t think people realize that being panicked/scared or in fight or flight mode at all is scientifically proven to make you dumber.
Your body is freaking out and trying to avoid you getting hurt or worse, so all that blood that would be really useful for rational thought is now in your muscles and organs to help you run or fight for your life. Problem is that because of this, if the best or most obvious solution isn’t staring at you right in the face, you’re probably not going to think of it until everything is over.
I actually had an OP run in project zomboid. Get a map, get to the lumber yard. Build walls all around it. And plant crops and traps. You're basically living like a king and if there were human NPC's you could create a working town. IRL however I wouldn't be likely to actually be able to kill any zombies or do all the manual labor required to build an entire town's worth of walls lol XD. Give me a pen or a spork and I'm not killing a zombie by threading it through an eye.
@@genericscout5408 Good for you
@@genericscout5408 If only it was that easy. Project Zomboid was only an example for how panicked state causes you to mess up. How lucky you are though is different.
@@clarkvillamor999 the panicked stat merely makes your gun miss. You aren’t supposed to use a gun anyway. Comparatively, Digging a ditch or making a chest high fence is enough advantage in that game to make zombies not dangerous.
The saddest part about Ben was that he had to grow up quick in a unforgiving world. And he was not up to it, till the point where he simply gave up. Believing he let the only people he had left in his live down
3:58 fr ignored my man Doug😭
Doug doesn't matter 😂😂😂 RIP Doug.
I really wish Ben lived, would’ve been cool to see him be changed by the apocalypse. Learning how to truly be an adult and better man
Yo keep this up gng don't quit you're ognna make it big
I appreciate this comment man^ all love👍
@@JG-nz7kxI’m Agreeing With Him, This Vid Structure’s Pretty Good
I'm playing season 4 for the first time right now and I keep thinking "I wish I could see Ben with this group"
great video, gave me a lot of nostalgia, hated him when i was a kid, but now i understand his character better.
I’d hope no 18 year old is dumb enough to grab the hatchet being used to block doors lol
Well, presumably there weren't any walkers at the door at the time. I assume he just thought the Crawford guys left it there as a last resort before they all got got.
I’m commenting on this video late but hope people can see, I see lots of comments saying most people will be Ben’s and I wanted to share my information to debunk that, if there were more Ben’s than the living wouldn’t be a real threat and there wouldn’t be any bandits, just saying, which is unlikely, I think there would be more bad people than Ben’s and good people like Lee, there’s going to be more bad people.
this might be the best twdg video i have seen. ben is such a slept on character because people don't have the wits to process him as he should be processed. he is a character with a lot of depth and realism in everything he does and i agree with all of your points. ben is a FLAWED character and that is the entire point. he's meant to be realistic and he absolutely nails it. he is made to not be a great person or one who can do everything right because it only makes sense
you can SEE the mistakes he makes but you can also see that he WANTS to atone for them. you can see him get katjaa and duck killed, you can see him abandon clementine, you can see him get chuck killed with this too, you can see him unlodge the hatchet, you can see him indirectly get brie killed, and you can see that all of these were horrible mistakes but he did try to atone for them and MOST of them were done with helpful intent.
he gave things to the bandits to protect the group because he thought horrible things would happen if he didn't. he unlodged the hatchet to give the group a weapon even if it was a backhanded decision that ended up ruining things.
you might think he should have warned the group about the bandits. you might think he shouldn't have unlodged that hatchet. you might think he should have stayed with clementine, you might think he should/could have been smarter and wittier or done things better but he DIDN'T. he didn't do any of this that's the reality of it. he made flawed decisions as a scared kid who WANTED to do his best but that was not really enough, that's ben's entire motto. he messes up horribly while TRYING to do his best and that's what makes him so real. he's no hero and he's no villain he's just a kid in the middle of everything who wants to help and be efficient try as he might and he's undoubtedly real for that.
infact, 'he could have done [x] better' is in the same vein as saying 'lee could have moved out of the way of the walker biting him' or 'katjaa could have lived with duck's death' or 'larry could have been calmer and he wouldn't have died' and yes, they could have, but they didn't. all the actions of these characters are set in stone. they did something and had to live with it forever (or not.) and it's exactly the same case with ben. EVERYONE made mistakes.
and he is self aware of the fact that he is no hero. he knows he is not a helpful person in the slightest and he's better off OUT of the group. even if he's scared to die he knows it's the best outcome for the group. he legitimately puts them ABOVE his own life because he knows it has no meaning in the grand scheme of things and that his death means only good things and will make things better. he WANTS to do better and is SELF AWARE about the fact that he is a liability and he is a burden to the group and he WANTS to die because he feels he is purposeless. he is upset when lee doesn't drop him and tries to TELL lee that 'they both know he's better off dead' and this makes him so realistic. because try as he might he can't be the best. he can't come to good conclusions. he can't make good decisions and he is painfully aware of this.
when he snaps at kenny and finally stands up for himself it gives the group more of an understanding. (and one that the fanbase seems to lack.)
this isn't a person intentionally trying to mess things up. this is a scared kid who is scared of being alone, who just wants company. this is a scared kid who is TRYING his best. and they can find more equality with him and within engaging with him. kenny saw ben as the kid that ruined his life and nothing more (and i don't blame him i have to make this clear. ben did that and was held accountable.) until ben opened up to him. that he missed his family. that he was scared and that he just wanted to be treated as an EQUAL. kenny can finally understand ben at the very least.
and when he dies (in the last possible scenario) it, to me, is the peak of his character development as well as the development between him and kenny. he is literally being IMPALED and you can tell he's panicking but he's trying to be calm in the face of danger. you can see the look on his face when he falls. the look of horror. you can see the look on his face when he is gripping the railing holding him down, as if he's staring into death itself and realising it's over. and yet he still manages to be calm until the walkers start coming. he TRIES to make a change, to be calm, to be relaxed even if he was in pain and even if he was suffering and struggling, until he realised he was vulnerable to his very worst fear.
kenny, now knowing more of who ben is and what he has gone through TRIES to save him. despite what ben has caused him, all the pain, the horror of losing his son and his wife, he still TRIES to be there. because he knows ben is a scared kid who is TRYING and he takes the time to be patient with him. he could have let ben die scared and alone but he chose to give him peace and be there with him EVEN if it meant he would be in the crossfire too. he chose to be with ben as he passed forever, never to be remembered, never to know the safety of his family, but just as his actions were set in stone his fate was too, and he tried to make do with that.
and there's so much substance to his character. what bothers me is how the fanbase neglects this. they water ben down to a liability who can't do anything right, and stripping him of the fact that he DOES try to do things right is a HUGE insult to his character. and i don't care if people hate ben and i don't care if people love him. he is a flawed character like it or not and he is absolutely not for everyone. i respect people hating him and i can understand where they're coming from if they PROCESS him properly. but people tend to just say 'oh ben is annoying so i don't like him' that's the POINT. he is meant to be annoying and that's what's so realistic about him. not once have i seen a person say 'ben is a flawed character, he does try but he doesn't do things right and he is just personally not in my taste' it's always been a misanalysation of him that left out crucial parts of his character.
ben isn't even the only character this fandom does this with. all the 'liability' characters who were children trying their best. sarah. gabe. tenn. sarah did want to try, but she was hindered by other problems. she was hurt and scared throughout everything and prone to suffering more than the average person. they blame her instead of carlos for sheltering her. all the blame is on her for being a CHILD
and gabe is annoying because he doesn't do things right when that's a normal and average thing for a kid like him! he does try but he doesn't do everything correctly and just because of that he's an annoying liability that should die.
tenn is TRAUMATISED and makes bad decisions based on that. he is frozen in shock when minerva comes back trying to lure him in. he is a KID who misses his sister and has been grieving for her, and now she's here albeit different. albeit someone else. but it's still his sister. and because of that he's annoying and should die?
all these realistic characters that the fandom cannot handle because everyone needs to be PERFECT and nobody can make mistakes. why do people cherrypick the kids in twdg too? why do people say duck should die and cheer when he does, but think clementine is cute and needs to be protected? why do people hate ben, sarah, gabe, tenn when they're just kids just trying to get along in need of love and protection just like clem.
people are so careless and ignorant with the beautiful characters they write in this game. people say 'aj is too mature for his age' when he's trying to cope with everything. he's practically forced to be mature and make mistakes. and he makes mistakes but is not penalised for them because he is cute? the double standards the fandom takes frustrate me. all these characters are misinterpreted. the literacy in the twdg fandom has BEEN like this for the past 4-5 years i've been into the game. they've always been ridiculously immature and taken things at face value instead of processing things as they should be. the 'liability' characters are great examples for this
that's all i have to say really but if you have anything to respond with i'd love to hear it. sorry this is quite long but i am extremely passionate about this game and how the fandom is sorely disappointing to the characters in it. thanks if you read everything :^) kudos
@@broncored I still hate Ben
@@Dbxndzz-re1sr you don't have to like him that's fair
to me the whole point is that he's a flawed character and flawed characters aren't for everyone and never have been, you don't have to enjoy him as a character
@@broncoredI love flawed characters, they are the most interesting so thank you for explaining.
@@Lauriestrode1978 i think they are very interesting too! no problem
glad i could be of help
Damnn i love long comments like this about telltale games and not just walking dead iam talking about every single telltale game....how can people get mad at characters like ben, sarah, duck,
I hated carlos for treating sarah like a princess in a ZOMBIE apocalypse...like bruh what did you expected? Even in normal world you cant keep your childrens like that...and this is ZOMBIE apocalypse!
And most people WOULD be like ben in a real zombie plague its funny how they can hate realistic characters....
And i feel like telltale doesn't really respect good characters like and just randomly kills them FOR no logical reason like luke, carley, nick, shawn(hershels son), omid etc....and this is not just about walking dead this happens in most of the telltale games
I played every single telltale game
Walking dead, wolf amoung us, tales of the b, game of thrones(underrated), Minecraft both seasons, batman both seasons, guardians of the galaxy, walking dead michone,walking dead 400 days....i love when i meet people with same passion for this type of games haha! And the thing is it doesn't really matter what you choose in telltale games the story will still be scripted thats the only mood off for me in telltale games....if you manage to save ben be still dies,, same goes for sarah and other characters
I loved ben for a multitude of reasons but mainly i related to him. If i couldnt confirm if my mother, my little sisters or fucking christ forbid my brother, if any of them were alive id be a mess of rage and sadness until my life ended, and id likely make much worse mistakes than Ben if i was in his place. Plus all of his mistakes are understandable especially from the perspective he has, makes me sad how things turn out for him
It's so refreshing to know that this game is still so damn popular, IMO it's the best game series ever.
Thank you so much guys, honestly, for keeping it alive.
I was reading the subtitles around the 10:13 mark where Ben tells off Kenny, and Ben pointing out that Kenny got to say goodbye to his family while Ben didn't and never will straight up gave me goosebumps!
I remember being very pro Kenny when I first played the game, since he seemed fairly capable, but that line made me realize something that has been nagging at me, a thought that didn't coalesce until I read that: Kenny had (IIRC) almost every advantage that a survivor could have. Close family, hunting skills, and no obvious physical health problems (none that I remember at least), yet he was still consistently an @$$h0le (Censored for yt) to everyone, especially those that didn't instantly beat to his drum. Ben made some absurdly bad decisions, but he doesn't have even close to the advantages Kenny does in an apocalypse.
Kenny has no respect for Ben, not just because Ben made horrible decisions, but because Kenny consistently refuses to consider others perspectives, especially if they might actually be worse.
I remember hating Ben back then when I played and funny enough when I was around Bens age.
And as I got older, I realize, Ben was just a Kid, not like Clem, but still a Kid.
In the normal world, he wasn't able to learn much about the world where he could learn from his mistakes, Then thrown into a new one where simple mistakes
(As a Teenager to young adult we make a fuck ton of mistakes) will cost peoples lives and that sucks lol
did the game ever explain how everyone was infected.
nah but its pretty accepted in the fandom that the virus is airborne. Bites are just another way for the virus to spread.
bites turn you directly over a short period of time due to it being in your bloodstream and reaching your brain. Cutting off a limb to cut off the circulation is not going to work it will just worsen your condition and make your chance of dying higher and since the virus is already inside of everyone it will activate when you die. It's a lose lose scenario because even if you manage to avoid having any fatal health problems for 5 years you can still just randomly die from another human or walker in the span of 30 seconds and end up turned after all of your hard work trying to survive. its basically a dormant airborne virus that activates once your heart stops moving to preserve your host body and keep it going
I believe the immune system stops the turning due to it being airborne.
But actually being bitten would cause you to turn regardless.
Which is why unbitten people turn when they die.
Creator said it was an alien virus which he still say it’s true that cause the virus
walking dead game is based on the walking dead show, so I would recommended u checking out the tv series out if ure curious
i never disliked ben, i just felt for him
The death that hit me the hardest in season 1 was always when Ben fell and couldn't move. Kenny takes your bullets and tries to help do something as the zombies converge on them. You hear Ben pleading that he doesn't want to become a walker only to be cut off by a gunshot.
I love this game it's one of the rare kinds of games where the characters are the point of the game and not the forced action of many games because of this the game feels so good to play and is so emotional
The one moment that made me most mad with Ben was when he chose to run away while he was near Clementine in Savannah. He then expects me to trust him with anything. The other moments I can understand, because I doubt I would be any better, but he chose to run away in that specific moment. He basically got Chuck killed and proved that he can't be trusted when it counts.
Brother, she could ran with him. She had room to run. and she been with a group for three months.
That's true. I'd say they were trying to show that in legit moments of hardship and difficulty as realistic as Ben is, I don't think he is the kind of person you can rely on. Basically, Jane, but way more useless. They should have made a more believable scene.
@@thechristianninja2211 that fair
I tried to keep Ben alive for as long as I possibly could. He grew on me.
Great video we make pretty similar content I think ur doing great keep it up man don’t let any one get you discouraged !
That comment means a lot man^💯
@@JG-nz7kx hey bro it’s been 3 days what did I tell you keep it up man 🙏
@@ruincanwalk Just adding the final touches for this next one, I got y’all 💪
Ben is a character that test how good of a person the player is.
I JUST played the first game (Yes, I'm very late to this series lolol) - but literally, I felt so hard for him. Playing as an adult, I saw him for what he is: a scared kid who just lost his (i assume) peers-if-not-friends in the blink of an eye and is now depending on literal strangers to try and stay alive.
I'm also neurodivergent, so I also felt for the "well intentional, but clearly wrong thing to do" stuff he's done. Like....I've done those things and I probably still do those things. I felt like I'm dead weight a lot, and I don't doubt that's what he felt when he made mistake after mistake. Ben's so real in every sense.
He's just a kid, and he deserves the same protection and chance at life as Clementine and Duck.
really good comment and i much agree. thank you for acknowledging duck aswell this is something i see a lot of people fail to do. all the kids in the series are equal imo and do deserve protection and love, and your viewpoint of him is very mature and tactical compared to most others i've seen talk about him
I remember doing everything I could to make sure Ben lived my first playthrough
Why is he a top 10 in my books why do I like ben why I wanted him to live I wanted him to live!!!! 😭
Ben was always one of my favorite characters despise what most people think of him. I wish they explored his character more.
Even though it is one good thing compared to the other bad things he did, Ben telling the group about destroying the brain is probably the reason everyone, aside from Larry, was able to escape the meat locker, because without knowing that, Larry probably would’ve turned and maybe not kill everybody in there but at the very least one or two people might have been bit
Don't let him go, give extra mags.
At the start i found him annoying, but those facts he throws to Kenny made me realized, i shouldn't have been harsh to him, bro it's a kid alone in nowhere around people he just met, he doesn't know what happened to his family, and neither his family know what happened to him, bro was crying all nights thinking on his little sister, Kenny was able to say goodbye, he not, Clem is another child surrounded by strangers, but she was smaller, her understanding to the world is lttle, and she still had adults that was around her helping, Ben no, a group made by literal people around 30+ years old, expected to much from a literal kid, his life in the apocalipse was really painful emotionally.
It makes me happy to see people recognizing Ben as a character more. He is only 18 year old that never learned the fate of his loved ones, he is trying his best to fit in, all of his people he knew died or turned. His biggest fear is turning like his teacher and friend. In the end he only wanted to make up for his mistakes and feared turning zombie. Who wouldn't? That's why I could never bare to drop him in the bell tower, that was the last thing he deserved.
sounds like everybody’s story minus the age.. y’all make excuses for selfish dorks who almost got the whole squad k*lled because of his actions.. once zombies start eatin faces you have to brace yourself not make stupid decisions he’s 18 not 6 and clementine was smarter
@@CookinCrack Nah. Clementine grew up during the apocalypse and was taught and looked after by the best of the best. She is 8. We can surmise Ben must've seen most of his friends and teachers die and turn. See people closest to you die, or someone you know as a passing acquaintance die, that will haunt and stay with you. You can't expect someone to always make the right choices in a life or death situation, especially when the dead start getting back up... Ben fully knew the weight of his mistakes, he only tried to make up for past mistakes, it wasn't malicious. That is doesn't mean we are making excuses for him. It's fun to talk about a classic game.
@@yphoenix5957Ben knows weight of mistake yet he never learns.
@@seanmarley3598 sadly, no he doesn't.
It's funny how this guy got 5 people killed, but immediately gets a free pass, because "mm but good intentions guys...", but Gabe, who's far more younger than Ben, always helped Javi and even apologized for snitching on Javi, but still hated af. Guys, good intentions and he's still a kid!
Pretty sure good intentions doesn't mean shit to Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Chuck, Brie and potentially Molly, because you know, they died 🤷♂️
What five people did he get killed?? Lilly killed Doug/Carley, not ben. Putting their death on ben is incredibly brain dead. No one had to die at that moment. Katjaa deleted herself, not Ben's fault even if related, she didn't have to do that. The chuck thing is kind of on him yes but can you really condemn a 16 year old to death because they were terrified of being eaten alive. It's funny seeing people like you acting like you would not make mistakes that put peoples' lives in danger in this situation as a traumatized 16 year old child.
@@FreeEstrogen Carley/Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Brie. I literally mentioned that in my comment. Determinatly got Molly separated from group.
He absolutely did. If he would've told the others about his deal, Carley or Doug wouldn't die. Not the mention how Doug had to sacrifice himself for his coward ass. All this could've been avoided if Ben just told Lee about this.
@@5i.260 Ben didn't shoot Carley/Doug, Lilly was on a lynching craze and killed them with no evidence as well, when no one had to die. Yes It was a mistake to not inform the group of the bandits and the deal he had to make. I think 2 of the people you mentioned he got killed are completely bogus which is why I said what five people. Ben was a scared traumatized 16 year old child who witnessed his friends and classmates being slaughtered and assaulted by bandits and eaten by walkers. His intentions were never malicious and he definitely did not deserve to die. It's still funny you ignoring the entire reason he is a liked character is because he is relatable; because he is exactly how so many other people would be in such a situation including likely you.
@@FreeEstrogen Katjaa did that, because of Duck, who was bitten during the raid. And the raid happened because of Ben.
It's the whole point of Kenny and Ben relationship. Kenny literally screamed "my wife and child, you got them both fucking killed!". Lee also can say "He got Kenny's family killed" to Christa and Omid. Plus Ben also says "i'm so so sorry about Katjaa and Duck, I am!" in his speech to Kenny. Also also in the Crawford Ben also pointed this out, "and it's my fault that Katjaa and Duck got killed, it I hadn't screwed up they would be alive".
Do you need more examples? Or you continue to ignore basic writing? Kenny sacrificed himself in the ally because he felt bad for Ben and was able to forgive him for his mistakes.
No, i can't excuse him because he almost got Clem killed, a fucking child. The man, who barely knew Lee's group, sacrificed himself because of Ben for little girl he barely knew.
If you would abandon a little girl, then I hope I wouldn't be stuck with you in ZA. I already felt bad for children around you.
There's literally Gabe, who's far younger than Ben and actually willing to put his life to save his loved ones (when he saved Kate in episode 1 and hold David while Javi was cutting the rope). His fuck ups I can condemn, because he's actually redeemed himself and can apologize.
@@FreeEstrogen it was a mistake not to inform the group, you're right, that's what got Carley or Doug killed. Excellent, glad you agree!
His not malious intentions doesn't mean shit if good people died because of it, believe it or not. I never said he deserved to die, I always saved him and he's not even my least favorite character.
Speak for yourself buddy, i'm not a coward who easily abandons the children and doing stupid shit for whatever reasons (taking a hatchet)
If lee didnt shot the walker at ben's death scene, you actually have a third outcome when lee just watches ben's fall
People make it sound like Ben telling the group about his deal with the Bandits is somehow a viable option for him. Given Lilly's declining mental state and the fact that Ben is genuinely afraid of her, probably moreso than his fear of being alone, I don't blame Ben in the slightest. Lilly would scare the s*** out of me on a good day, no way do I want to deal with her on a bad day, I probably would've kept quiet if I had made a deal with Bandits, it would eat me up inside having to stay silent, but if the alternative is dealing with a mentally unstable Lilly? Nah I'm keeping quiet, call me a coward all you like, most people would take the coward's path. Besides the deal only had to last until Kenny could fix the RV, which was probably another day or two, had Lee not intervened and taken the meds, the deal would've gone through as planned and no one would've died.
Also you have to remember the group basically saved his life. And repays them with this foolishness? And these same bandits were attacking us in the first place not offering peace but bullets with our names on it.
There's no way you would actually be scared of Lilly 😂
I really wish your decisions actually mattered in this series would've been cool if you could actually save ben and see how he's held up in later seasons or if he would've died (realistically he'd end up with Kenny in the end)
I find it so funny how you didnt even mention Doug and said it as if every scene was 100% have Carly.
Bro knows no one is picking Doug😂
lol it's rare to find any doug enjoyers
@@JG-nz7kx I feel like everyone has the same opinion ngl.
"Doug is cool but... Carly is Carly" it's just hard to choose the dorky TV guy over the badass girl with a gun
When i first played twd during covid, I REALLY hated his ass, but looking back it now, he literally does exactly as i wouldve done
I always hated ben until I realized hes not a college student hes a high schooler. Hes only around 17 to 18 and it made me appreciate and understand him better. I honestly feel bad for getting him purposely killed any chance I got because I thought he was just some annoying dude lol, but no just a annoying kid more or less with nobody to lookout for him
who would've thought that in a series with so many lovable characters IT WOULD BE A BEN VIDEO thats had me in a chokehold for the last 11 minutes lol
Look, it's not that I'm holding a grudge against Ben for lacking the courage of a lion or the survival instincts of Bear Grylls. The real issue here is his astonishing deficit in basic common sense. I get it, we all have our awkward teenage phases, but there's a point where you need to hit certain milestones. Take this for instance: Ben did the noble thing giving the Bandits supplies. But the kicker? He didn't bother telling anyone else in the group. Sure, maybe he was terrified of Lilly, but he could've at least given Kenny or Lee a heads up. They would've pieced together a strategy, maybe made an exit plan or dealt with those bandits. And let's not pretend there weren't other teenagers around like Russell from 400 Days, who somehow managed not to be a complete fool.
Clem is half his age and at least twice as smart. There is no real excuse for ben. He is just a total regard.
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@@ryman1933 Clem has no survival instincts whatsoever. Lees entire journey in the acopalyspe is taking care of Clem. Ben had NOBODY to take care of him in that way. It's also why Clem at Ben's age is far more competent. He has lived most his life normally and gets thrown into a acopalyse, stuck with strangers and no knowledge of what happened to his little sister or parents. Clem grows up in the acopalyse, was privileged enough to learn what happened to her family and was toughened up when she got to Ben's age.
no offense but when you're living in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, faced with a new horror day after day, is not operating on "common sense" REALLY such an outlandish thing? ESPECIALLY when you're operating on fear because the bandits threatened to kill everyone in the group? if Ben just TOLD Lee and Kenny, he would have likely been tossed out right off the bat, considering he was quite new to the group. When you fear being alone like that, you're not exactly operating on common sense. None of us process our circumstances in the same way.
What do you mean "Us"?
Don't act and assume that all of us have exact same mentality.@@mooglerific
@@seanmarley3598exactly.
I need to play this game again. No surprise it got game of the year.
realistically no group would have kept him after the hotel and even before that. i think that ben should have died at the hotel when we meet him and his little group he has no survival awareness and only really serves as a way to kill side characters and the main character later. That alone making hard to even empathies with him. i wana say hes realistic but his choices he make don't really sense. like really think about it how many decision has he mad were you were like "i feel like they just want to kill of this character and use ben as an excuse.
Ben was flawed but thats what made him so relatable of a character
tbh we all think we'd be a Molly, Lee, Jane, or a Kenny in the zombie apocalypse, but in reality we'd probably be a Ben or a Sarah
atleast ben died quick though... damn they really made Sarah die the painful way BOTH ways oof lol
See this comment a lot and it’s not as true as you think, most people will be like the bandits, not Ben’s, because everyone being like Ben means the living would never be a threat and that’s unlikely, there will be more bad people like the bandits.
I always loved when Ben put Kenny in his place. Kenny acting like he lost so much forgetting that everyone, literally everyone in the game lost everyone they loved. Kenny at least got to hold onto them longer than the rest did.
Great video 😄💪
I remember play the first time as a young teen. I didn't hate Ben. I was frustrated and annoyed but I couldn't let him Die especially when Clementine voted. And that part where he Yells at Kenny made me smile. Good for you Ben.
There isn't really a realistic argument here. Everyone is portrayed as realistically as Ben, just in different ways.
You never say everyone when you just mean you, that’s a fact a lot of people on the internet deny, they have to believe everyone’s mentality is the same and when one person is frightened, that means everyone else is easily frightened, which isn’t true, also if there were more Ben’s in the apocalypse than there wouldn’t be bandits or the living being a threat which is unlikely, there would be more bad people than Ben’s.
@Lauriestrode1978 I concur.
maybe for you. I am built different
Your not wrong either, lots of people are saying everyone would be Ben’s when that’s unlikely, most people would be like the bandits more than Ben’s because if most people are Ben’s, the living wouldn’t be a threat and that’s unrealistic.
realistic isnt the right word. he's a well-written character
Exactly, there wouldn’t be Ben’s walking around in the apocalypse, no, the living would be a threat and more than likely be the bandits, not a bunch of Ben’s because the living wouldn’t be a threat and that’s unrealistic.
@ now i want to see a horde of bens lol. But yeah zombies are pretty unthreatening. Get a 2 story house, get a sledgehammer or axe and a saw and take out the stairs and get a ladder. You now have a completely zombie proof house. Now you have to worry about the pesky intelligent non-Bens getting in with their tricks
Ben was always one of my favorites, always felt so bad for the poor kid.
TWD Telltale is one of my most favorite franchises, i've always said Lee is the most human fictional character EVER made, but Ben? he def beats Lee in that aspect man.
Even then I was younger I still felt I had more media literacy then many. Even through the hate. Ben was my favorite character. I thought it would've been amazing for him to grow and maybe even try to take care of Clem when Lee was gone. They could've learned so much for each other if he had that opportunity to step up and be a main stay character.
Sure, but the reason I hate Ben is because he got almost everyone killed starting with trading with the bandits had the motel overrun got Doug and Carly killed. his screw up left lily on the side of a road and becoming an antagonist in s4 and the deaths caused by lily. duck and katjaa’s death leading to Kenny becoming broken, left clementine behind causing chuck’s death,took the axe out the door bringing walkers into Crawford, told Kenny the truth wasting time causing Brie’s death and his own, was the reason Molly left, and is the reason Kenny sacrificed himself for him
Exactly. There is no coming back from doing shit like that. Idc who you are
@@smokingmeteor Let's be honest; they would have attacked anyway. They had no food since the ranch was gone, and from what we know, if they would've gotten their way, they would've taken the women, and you know, Ben really saved them time, yeah he could've told someone, but with how things were, I see why he didn't tell anyone. Chuck wasn't his fault; there is no way he could've fought those walkers with his bare hands; Clem could've run with him; now Crawford is terrible; I can't lie, but his death is the reason Kenny even gets over his wife and son in the first place and he in a way saves Kenny from dying in an even worse situation with Christa. Ben isn't a bad guy; it's apocalypse. People will die regardless, and Ben made many hard, well-intentioned decisions. The only actual sin he committed was trying to help the group instead of just looking out for himself.
@@DoublePlatTo what you said about Clem & Chuck: that is 100% Ben fault. I like how everyone (not necessarily you) giving Ben a pass for being a scared lil spinless bitch bc he a teenager but you just said “Clem could have ran with him” a literal harmless child and not the socially awkward young adult lol. Chuck did what he could and died for it- maybe you dont blame Ben for his death but the fact remains Chuck would have lived longer if Ben just picked up the 30 pound toddler and RAN WITH THE GROUP OR TO LEE. Simple math there.
& maybe you are right about the Bandits and how he simply bought them time but he also could have very easily have told Lee and the group about the bandits the very first encounter and he would have been able to present his plan for the dilemma- i.e. ration with the bandits/find the truth if they actually have his friend. Which Would have panned out alot better in the future and the group would have been prepared for the fight and whoever died would not have been blood on BEN HANDS- YES some ppl would have died regardless but that doesn’t change the fact that in the story WE GOT- all died because of Ben stealing AND lying for the bandits. Here i actually do see this as a moment of him looking out for himself and NOT the group.
We do see eye to eye on Crawford and its character development for him and Kenny as you said but ima drop his ass everytime at the bell tower for everything leading up to that point.
All this to say is I do relate to Ben and wanted to feel for him and protect him but the shit he did is just flat out shit i would not do putting myself in his shoes:
When it comes to betraying the group with the bandits knowing blood might spill or ppl will take the fall for what i did, the total lack of IQ at Crawford flying right out of the window by removing a weapon CLEARLY being used as a barricade - i mean CLEARLY! BLOOD WAS ON THE OTHER END OF THE DOOR!! And finally leaving a fucking child to die when it is 100% in my power to just take her with me and away from danger.
Ben is being given too much credit and his death isnt even a martyrs death. Its useless, a pity shame for others and a good riddance moment for most.
EDIT: & Oh Kenny kinda becomes a villian in season two DUE to the events of Season one & i had to put Kenny down at the end (only cannon ending in my eyes for Season Two) so i do not think saving Ben saved kenny. It made kenny worse and worse and worse beyond repair.
@@smokingmeteor I mean honestly Ben was a net negative for the group but I couldn’t be mad at him for most of his decisions, yeah he could’ve told the group about the deal with the bandits but with how Lilly was acting I understand why he didn’t say anything, and he actually saved everyone unintentionally by giving us enough time to fix the RV, now with him getting saved by Carley or the other guy( I forgot his name) I can’t vouch for that, he should’ve at least tried to push them out the way.
With Clem Ngl he should’ve did more but if he tried to carry her he probably would’ve fell, or he could’ve at-least grabbed her arm.
After I saved him it really seemed like he was turning a new leaf, he found the attic,grabbed Lee’s gun that fell and it realy seemed like he was going to be an real member of the crew until he got unlucky.
Yeah Kenny does go crazy but it seems he had a pretty good head on his shoulders until his second wife died then he really loses it. And with the amount of times he saved Lee and Clem I can’t be mad at the guy for going crazy, the fact that he had a wife and child made me pretty much realize he never stood a chance but he still pushed through and helped Lee save Clem and did his best with Ben too. I had to respect him for how long he held out.
From my prospective I saved Ben because even though he screwed up bad plenty of times it was never intentional.
Unlike Lilly and her father😂
I genuinely hate those two
@@DoublePlatyeah you speaking facts i cant lie. It was never going to be a good turn out for Ben- Its just the consequences of your actions is still the consequences of your actions. We all gotta live with them. Lily most definitely would have killed him at the RV with what we know now but if he would have informed the group before there was even treachery to be accused of, who knows how she would have responded. Bc you gotta remember she was pissed about her dad being killed whether we helped or not but still worked with and trusted Lee.
What lit the fuse to her bomb was discovering rations coming up lighter and lighter over the span of months while starving knowing someone is responsible. Ben doing that is what started her villian arc- I hated her father too but i hated kenny killed him without letting us come up with a better plan BUT AT THE SAME TIME that asshole of a father was quick to turn on everyone else who he thought was bit or turning so he had it coming fasho.
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Damn, never realized how much of a kill count Ben had.
I kept him alive as much as I could, and when Kenny forgave him and mercy killed him so he wouldn’t die the way he was most scared of dying by is great character development. I’ll forever defend Ben ❤️
I’m willing to forgive Ben. Especially, looking back on the story, now. 😔😞😢🥺😭💔❤️🩹
- He’s just an average teen with no survivalist training or experience.
- He’s remorseful for his actions.
- The bandits are the ones to be hated. They lied about having Ben’s friend. They threatened him if he were to stop giving supplies. They are hypocrites saying that Lee’s group “stole from them,” when it was the other way around. They’re a bunch of rapist monsters, as implied by Jolene (the crazy woman at the end of episode 2). Most importantly, if it weren’t for the bandits, Duck would’ve never gotten bitten & Katjaa would’ve never committed suicide. So, they are the real ones who are more directly responsible for Duck & Katjaa.
- The bandits would’ve raided the motor inn, anyway. However, it would have been a worse outcome since Kenny would not have been able to finish the RV in time, and they would’ve all died or gotten taken away by the bandits. So, paradoxically Ben bought Kenny & everyone enough time to have a means of escape. Plus, they were all going to be leaving, anyway.
- Lilly intentionally shoots Carley or accidentally shoots Doug when she was trying to intentionally shoot Ben instead. Regardless, Lilly should’ve never pulled out her gun and shot at anyone. She had zero factual proof of anyone who was responsible for giving the supplies away to the bandits.
- Ben was remorseful for panicking after he was surrounded by walkers and left Clementine, especially after Lee confronted him about it.
- Technically speaking it was Molly responsible for accidentally getting Chuck killed by ringing that bell and luring the walkers. However, I’m willing to forgive her because she didn’t know about Lee’s group being there at the time. On, another note. Chuck did also kind of volunteered to hold them off to get everyone else to safety. I mean he could’ve just ran with the group to the house after Clementine got saved.
- He helped searching around the house to make sure it was clear, and alerted Lee that Kenny was in the attic. Then Lee helped put the little boy out of his misery (if you choose to do so).
- Although, he left Clementine in the yard by herself with the Stranger stalking them at that time, thankfully nothing bad happened.
- This next one is a really difficult one for me to think it over and wonder if I should forgive him for this, and yes, I can. Despite the fact that he removed the hatchet from the door handles which caused the walkers to get in, he didn’t know and was just trying to help. Plus, they already got everything they needed for the boat and were all on their way out, anyway.
- He was willing to admit the truth to Kenny.
- This next one was also a long and hard thought, but yes, I can still forgive Ben for this one. Brie could’ve easily survived the second Kenny got that door open that leads to the bell tower. There was no need for her to still be leaning against the door she was at.
- He was willing to let himself die so that everyone could escape and live when he was hanging onto Lee’s arm, proving how sincere his remorse is. He even said, “Get Clem & the others out of here,” proving his care about her and everyone else.
- When Clementine gets taken by the Stranger he can go with you to help look for her.
- After Ben tells Kenny to, “Stop pushing him around and stop wishing he was dead,” and to, “Give him a fucking break,” after telling him he had the chance to say goodbye to his family while he didn’t, Kenny actually for a moment feels bad and sympathetic for Ben saying, “Aw, Ben, I’m-….”
- When walkers are coming into the house he is willing to help Lee and everyone fight them off, proving that he can be capable of being resourceful and brave enough to help fight. Effectively, completing his character arc from being what we thought would be a liability eventually turned into an asset.
- When he falls and the walkers are coming Kenny has no other choice but to shoot and kill Ben, which technically speaking means Kenny ended up kind of getting his revenge on Ben. Also, Ben did openly state in episode 3 when they meet Omid & Christa, that if he is ever doomed to be surrounded by walkers and there is no way out, he would much rather go out with a bullet to his head. So, technically he got his way out that he would much rather have.
So, yeah. I actually feel for Ben. I forgive him.
Now, if you want characters to hate for good reasons in this franchise, look no further than Jane from season 2 & Gabe from season 3. Now, those two were just unbearable. 😤😠😡🤬💢
Don't forget about Kate from season 3. She's most annoying character than Gabe. I'm glad that i choosed to save David.
Okay, so Gabe, who was really useful in his own way throughout the season 3, didn't get anyone killed, was ready to go on dangerous missions (getting the truck and saving his dad), actually wasn't acting like an asshole when people called him out is more unbearable than Ben, who got 5 people killed and almost got Molly and Clem killed as well. I'm sorry, but what? Did Gabe murdered someone?
The whole point of Kenny being mad at Ben was his role in his family's death. He was responsible, that was the point.
I’m not reading all that Ben was a waste of a character