Skydiver Strikes Tail. Aircraft Destroyed!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- A skydiver strikes the tail of a Cessna 206 jump plane forcing the pilot to bail out.
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I was thinking of going skydiving, but I’m going to just go to the coffee shop now.
Good luck! Because skydiving is safer than driving. Lol
Night time is best. Just the lack of stars overhead to show your chute is there.
and the gee, I must be near the gro...
@@robertsmith2956 I love night jumps.
It’s just down on the corner. My cat follows me on the walk, then waits for me out on the window ledge.
@@KerryDMcCauley california says coffee causes cancer.
"Dropping meat bombs" 😂
We also called them *Lawn Darts.*
"Meat missile" is alliterative and conveys that they're (sort of) guided, too.
@@r0cketplumber meat guided bomb
Imagine landing with everyone else. "Hey where's your plane?' I dont know, lost it i guess"
Lol!
Fistbumps on the ground, "Hey wait a second, aren't you the PILOT?!"
@@ChrisEpler hahahahahahah
@@ChrisEpler “No, I thought…um…I thought he… Wait…was I the pilot? Oh yeah! I forgot. Damn! (looking up in the sky). Where did the plane go?”
…that would be why skydivers shouldn’t be jump pilots. 😂. Seriously, though, that wouldn’t happen.
Well I have a contract for 5 jumps, Get another one or I will sue you.
As a retired skydiver and pilot from Canada about 25 years ago we had 2 parachutes over the tail damaging the elevator. Both times pilot was not a jumper and managed to control plane with great difficulty and landed safely.
I have 3 front false teeth from a skydiving accident back in 1979 when
one of the cutaway metal capewells hit me in the mouth on deployment, nowdays they are still my best looking front teeth.
LOL! Capewells, back when cutaways were exciting!
1980 first jump on military surplus gear. Belly reserve and capwell cutaway. Fourth stacticline had to use them because T10 stayed in the sock causing high speed malfunction. Thanks John Cutts for excellent training RIP
did you find your teeth?
I was a meat bomber in a C182 for a bit. It was the best stick and rudder flying I’ve ever done, but the worst thing was having jumpers lingering on the strut…
I never wore a parachute, thinking if the engine quits I’ll just glide down seeing as I’m over the field. I’d never considered a tail strike.
In the highly unlikely event that I go back to para dropping, I’ll wear one !
Guess things have moved on since 1991 when I did my one and only jump with a round canopy static line.
Safe skies.
Aberdeen, Scotland.
IMO you are crazy if you do not wear a chute as a Pilot, even in something like a twotter or C208. It gives you anothe chance in the unlikely event that the aircraft becomes uncontrollable!
Still think v-tails or t-tails are best for skydiving aircraft. The old Shorts Skyvans were also great, with their rear ramps.
No V-tails or T-tails used for skydiving except for the King Air 200. Skyvans are great but are getting timed out these days.
This is why jump pilots wear chutes!
Flying jumpers is the only flying job in the world where you're flying the plane at the edges of its performance envelope all day long, something even combat pilots don't do. You climb out at max gross at VY, time your climb to altitude to end at the start of the jump run, slow down, get some flaps out, hand on the throttle to deal with all the CG shifts when the jumpers move around and exit, and then, when the last jumper leaves, dive STRAIGHT DOWN at the ground until approaching VNE, then trim to maintain that speed all the way down (if you're flying a turbine), and if you do everything just right you won't touch the throttle again until powering up for taxi with your next load. That's a skill set that may someday save not only your life but the lives of your passengers.
Every aspiring pilot should fly jumpers as part of their 'rite of passage'. And it's incredibly good fun!
You don’t climb at Vx.. you maintain VY (best rate)
Best stick and rudder training you can get!
@@thomasaltruda Correct.
@@thomasaltruda Yeah, that's right. It's been a while.
I never noticed our 130 and 17 pilots wearing chutes
" at that point he decided to leave" 😂
No way I would I ever jump. 28,000 hours of staying IN the airplane🤪
I totally understand but after 9000 hours and 20,000 skydives I'd rather jump any day!
That great joke of Joe Walsh's: "Why jump outta a plane that's working?"
@@gottadomor7438 You might want to jump if I'm the pilot! Safer that way.
@@KerryDMcCauley Open cockpit would be the only one making it a hard choice.
Someone told me about the time he was flying jumpers in a fabric covered plane. One of the jumpers somehow tore the fuselage fabric and a section was long enough to wrap the empenage. He manged to get it under control and land safely. He was feeling like a hero. Then the owner chewed him out for not using his chute and letting plane go., as now the repair was going to cost him vs an insurance payout for the plane.
Typical aircraft owner.
@@KerryDMcCauley Once the wheels are off the ground, the plane belongs to the insurance company.
Sounds like my boss 😂 Mr. Reasonable and Understanding
Yeah……no.
My dad is a licensed skydiver and has experienced the same sort of accident. He was on the plane along with his buddies when one one of the skydivers that jumped off had his parachute deploy prematurely, get snagged on the elevator and ripped it clean off, rendering the plane uncontrollable. All rhe skydivers, including my father, bailed out. However, the pilot did not have a parachute, so he jumped out with another skydiver and held onto him.
Tragically, the pilot did not manage to keep a grip when the parachute deployed and fell.
As far as i know, no one, except for the pilot, was killed.
I've always wondered if I could hang onto another jumper like that. I didn't think much of my odds so I always/usually wear a rig.
@KerryDMcCauley yeah I would not rely on another skydiver to save yourself. Not only would it be hard to keep a grip, but their parachute is probably not rated for 2 people and you both can get seriously injured. Always good to carry your own parachute I guess
@@dob6074 he wasn't, though.
Need to have a latch to tie to. Then expect a very hard landing
It's amazing to see stuff like this. We never want anything to go wrong, but learning how one misstep can cause so much havoc is a real eye opener.
Gotta be careful when climbing on the outside of airplanes!
@@KerryDMcCauleyI know that most extreme activities (not necessarily for fun) are expensive for just the danger involved.
You lost a chute, or at least it’s usage.
I work in some pretty extreme stuff, and have for a long time.
Prices that are seemingly high are high for good reason: THE RISK.
Better to lose a piece of equipment than a life!!!
@@dangeary2134 That titanic sub lost both. I wouldn't get on it because the toilet is under the only window. That is a deal breaker on a 12 hours cruise for me.
I made my first jump from that plane in 1985. It was an awesome turbine conversion largely designed by the owner of this drop zone. I am so glad everyone got out safely. Interesting note : the owners Father was flying a Twin Otter that had its tail cut off by a trailing helicopter filming a movie. He landed safely with most f the vertical stabilizer missing.
You get the best stories in this business.
Yes, I met both of them when I arrived T California. It’s in -992. Van Pray Senior flew the Twin Otter while “Mini Van” did most of the maintenance.
Correcting spelling. Yes, I met both of them when I moved to California City in 1992. Van Pray Senior flew the Twin Otter while Van Pray Junior did most of the maintenance.
@@robertwarner5963 I love seeing these aviation families working together. My son Connor is a pilot and my chief instructor at my DZ.
I think that skydiving school needs to take the hint....
This may not be their line of work. Maybe they should just stick to skydiving as a hobby.
I have 2 comments. 1) when leaving an airplane it is always better to go in opposite direction of the spin, if possible. E.g. if aircraft is spinning right g forces are helping you to go left.
2) always guard your handles, even in the free fall.
I agree.
The location of the door may have a say in your exit direction.
I was the sole ground witness of George Marrar’s (sp) death many years ago at Yolo County Ca. I was working on the engine of my cropduster with my father in law when I heard the unmistakable sound of jumpers falling close by. I looked up to see two jumpers falling but one jumper had real problems. He appeared to be falling on his back with a mess of canopy fabric and lines trailing above him. I watched and yelled “cut away” but of course it ended badly. My father in law thought I’d suddenly gone crazy. I jumped into another aircraft and flew directly to where George impacted the sloping terrain of a neighboring ranch……What I recall is that his reserve pilot chute deployed while he was moving towards the open jump door. The pilot chute left the aircraft with George still well inside the door. Instead of following it out, he tried to remain in the Cassna. His reserve canopy ended up wrapped around the horizontal stabilizer and it was raising hell with aircraft control so he was pushed out of the door by the remaining jumpers. Prior to being pushed out the door a jumper pulled George’s main cutaway handle believing that it was his main that was on the stabilizer rather than his reserve. George of course attempted to deploy his main however, the risers were already detached from his harness. I hope I’ve recalled the events correctly. It’s been a very long time ago. It was just an accident without blame to anyone.
Tragic.
We were taught, if that snake reaches the door, get the h*ll out of the way, the person who owns it will be following it very fast. Don't worry, chute works, your good. If your hung, cut away and deploy, or they will foam the runway, and you can take the landing playing tail hook. Recommended the cut away as best of the two options.
Did have another plane with a jumper who landed on another's chute and didn't run off. Rode it down, and when the owner landed, he went into free fall and broke his back.
Yolo County sounds like an ironic name.. So, what you're saying is.. he snagged his reserve, so his friends cut his Main and pushed him out, and the last thing he heard was you yelling "use your reserve chute!" - I need some word cuz "Tragic" doesn't seem to be sufficient.
@@gabedude68 I can't imagine the guilt that guy must have felt.
I did my first few jumps in Yolo in July 83, before George went in. Your version is generally the story I've heard from LJ, his daughter, Dennis Murphy and others. The only difference is that George jumped, knowing he was most likely going to die but that if he didn't jump,everyone would die in the plane crash. He was not pushed. He did know that his cutaway cable has been pulled by another jumper who thought it was hisain wrapped on the tail. It was his reserve, and he knew the only chance to save the plane was to jump to his nearly certain death. I still have a newspaper clipping of this. I'm still friends with his daughter.
Interesting fact: George was so concerned about having a reserve open in the door (all us students jumped rounds and belly mount reserves) , he made a special visit to every first jump course to personally instruct students on the importance of following the pilot chute out the door. He did this in my first jump course. To say that his death was therefore ironic is an understatement.
I did my first eleven jumps before he died, then two more after he died and the DZ shut down.
Four years went by until another operator opened on Yolo County Airport. (Sky dance) in 1987. I started over with another first jump course doing AFF..
That was 87. Today I have over 16,000 jumps, mostly camera jumps. Also AFF-I, TI, and PRO. BASE 453.
I've worked full time in the sport ever since.
It's fun... but jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft is never smart.
Former Coast Guard Rescue swimmer....
We never use parachutes!!😂
Smart? No. Safe? Kind of. Fun? Absolutely!
04:15 ..... What the hell !! ....That little body to body brushing hit Totally Disables your Main parachute ?? .... Didn't know the "Rip Cord" was that fragile Weakly attached !! ....Just seems ridiculously unacceptable Badly designed/Configured for a Main parachute deployment Handle to come off like That.....Gotta be a better Safer way to attach a "Rip Cord" than that !!
it doesn't disable it, it cuts it away.
it is DESIGNED to do this.
search youtube for "skydiving rig explained", lots of really good videos for newbies - because apparently you have absolutely no clue how it works ;)
The design is WAY better than it was back just 30 years ago. It's has to be easy to pull or you'd never get it out in the event of a spinning malfunction.
@tomstrum6259 I suggest you search youtube for "skydiving rig how it works". there are really good videos where people explain how the cutaway-system works and why it is designed the way it is.
How and why could he "dislodge" such a vital part of your equipment?? Dislodge? He would have to actually PULL it off of you.
The handel on the pilot chute is easily dislodged and needs to be so the skydiver can pull without trouble.
Great info Kerry! I love seeing skydiving planes especially the Cessna Caravan aircraft and the C206s but my favorite ones are DHC Twin Otter’s! What’s your favorite plane to fly for taking jumpers?
Great video Kerry love to know this! If it were my first jump ever out of a flat spin, I’d know I have one shot to not die as you have no reserve shoot if you wreck the first shoot you don’t even have time to say “Oh sh*t my shoot” 😮
It’s dangerous work for sure skydiving 🪂 isn’t to be taken lightly if you’re inexperienced and being stupid you’re screwed! 4:36 You’d better pray your spare parachute works! 😅
Cheers my friend! Hope I’ll see you at OSH 24
-Caleb
My favorite jump ship is the Twin Otter.
@@KerryDMcCauley Me too! I love me a Twin Otter I hope to see some cool ones at Oshkosh this year!
I always wore a rig aka _chute_ and as for being dangerous *HA!* I could get life insurance if I was a skydiver however they wouldn't give me insurance as a Jump Pilot. Go figure.
@@braveworld2707 Sounds like a good plan! 🤪
Baldwin Wisconsin? I have skydived there probably jumped from the same plane.
The 206 crash was at Skydive Kansas city. I'm the DZO at Skydive Twin Cities in Baldwin WI.
I had a parachute on my hang gl8der. Never in years did i ever have to use it. I always wondered what it looked like. So i went out front and looked at it. A loop of strap was around my foot . A big thermal picked it up and drug me into a bizy intersection. Boy was i stupid
Lol, that's how we learn!
1:00 1st - that is not the 'tail" of the plane. 2nd - How did the chute wing lines render the aircraft unflyable ?
3rd- Explain ?
I'm a meat bomber pilot too (and also a skydiver) in a C182 and this one of my bigger concerns!
True confessions, I was 18 and just acquired my commercial license and started flying skydivers. They didn’t show me anything so I climbed in the seat and started flying and it must have been the third or forth flight before someone told me to wear a chute. Then came lessons on holding the brakes so students don’t fall off the wheel and making 5 degree correction turns with rudder only as we would approach the jump zone. Then you discover. The pic is responsible for establishing s NOTAM about what reason you entered that you must open and close the NOTOM. Finally the pilot must make contact with FAA/act and request a quack code. Legal, questionable but great fun
Drinking from the fire hose. You learn so much flying jumpers.
I call BS. What DZ just put you in the plane to fly jumpers with no training as to exactly how to operate that plane for skydiving operations on that DZ. Name the DZ and DZO.
Truly, the most intelligent thing is get a different career- FAST!!!😮
@@leechjim8023 I've been jumping and flying jumpers for 38 years and couldn't imagine doing anything else!
@@KerryDMcCauley "Dropping Meat".. lol ;}
I enjoy watching skydiving from the ground.
As a jump pilot years ago I had one come close
Routine jump from a perfectly operational airplane. Not hardly.
Oh my! Thank you for the video and explanation. I didn’t know jump pilots wore a parachute. I’m so glad no one got hurt.
The smart ones do. I always/mostly/sometimes wear one!
On my fist Jump I noticed the pilot wearing a chute. That made me question his confidence in the plane a little..........
My skydivers or tandem paxes opened my seat belt a few times during climbing out the plane. So now you sit on a open plane with no seat belt and have to close the door with a massive side slip. Not the smoothest situation... 😆
So I allways wear a chute!
Ever have any r-sole pull the mixture on their way out of a front door? One guy I flew with had the aircraft owner take the MAG key out with him when he jumped. Pretty easy FLWOP when you are over the DZ but a really bloody stupid thing to do.
A subtle point to is that most of the FAA Supplemental Type Certificatez - to install jump-doors on Cessnas - require the pilot to wear an emergency parachute.
glad all got down safely. Many years ago, my ex wife's brother was hanging outside the airplane waiting for a girl to come out so they could jump together, but she deployed her chute. This caused the plane to pitch down abruptly his leg swung into the propellor and his foot was cutoff. They both landed ok and the pilot was ok
Ouch!
This would make for a fantastic interview
What was the aircraft, a Bongo? Can't think of anything else were a leg/foot would be able to get that close to the prop.
@@braveworld2707 I have heard of jumpers hitting the prop under certain circumstances but ai can't think of how it would normally be possible.
@@KerryDMcCauley As a highly experienced pilot and equally experience _lawn dart_ you would have a better idea than most everyone else how it might happen.
Did you guys every play _FRAPSLOTTO_ on your DZs? I was told there was a large "french" sounding DZ in the USA that did. Never experienced it myself but our DZs were small and quiet by comparison.
Didnt realize you're an AFF-I thats awesome
I love doing AFF! I'm also a designated evaluator working with Mike Wadkins.
This is purely because seppos don’t buddy up and do pin checks routinely.
I've had a static line chute deploy prior to separating from the aircraft, as I turned loose from the from the wing, the main opened. Instead of a gradual opening, I'd say it was like opening a sub terminal packed chute at terminal velocity. It hurt, left bruises and cuts/burns from the rig. Safe landing, though it was a long walk back to the drop zone. That was my second jump, I jumped one more time that day... I froze the second jump, but finally let go...
That's why I stopped doing static line training. Too much chaos!
I’m a pro rated jumper/tandem static line instructor. Also a jump pilot and base jumper. Jumping out with only one shot doesn’t bother me. It would be the plane spinning out of control coming towards me in free fall and or debris colliding into me and the G force like you said. It also amazes me how some pilots don’t wear pilot rigs in bulk head aircraft like the king air or twin otter. I would still wear one. That’s for sure 🤣 especially knowing how jumpers are about not paying attention at times.
Not wearing one in a low tail plane like a King Air is crazy! I don't wear one in a Twin Otter.
Wonder if in the Inverted Flat Spin, He Kept Pushing Forward, When you Should Should PULL On the Yoke, Or Elevator Was Stuck/Froze?
Glad All Made It, Worried for The Pilot.
The tail was almost ripped off. Probably nothing he could do.
Didn't see much cause the camera just a bit low. Just missed the money shot.
Well, all's well that ends well.
Stay safe guys. Have fun. 😮😅
Sounds to me like people are jumping out of the wrong kind of airplane, or simply aren't setting their gear up properly. Or both.
There should never be the possibility of chutes opening by accident, and striking part of the airplane upon exiting should be impossible. I know there are aircraft designed in such a way that jumpers have nothing they can hit...why are they jumping out of aircraft unsuited to safely exiting?
It all comes down to money and risk acceptance. The only jump planes that are pretty much immune to this type of accident are tailgate aircraft like Skyvans od Casas. Both are large multi engine turbine aircraft that are operated by large operations. They are expensive to buy, maintain and operate. Smaller operations can't afford them. And skydiving gear has gotten vastly better then it was just 20 years ago. But the handles have to be easy to find and pull and that means no matter how careful the jumpers are once in a while they are egoing to get snagged. We all know and accept this risk or quit.
The similar incident involving the caravan that you were talking when you mentioned new Zealand sounds like the one that actually occurred in Australia, Victoria if my memory serves me correctly ,yes he was trying to get out of the aircraft after the tail strike when the door closed shut and when he finally got it open and was able to exit he was at around a thousand feet and his chute was fully deployed mere seconds before he landed. The pilot was 28 at the time , with a partner and 1 daughter I believe, I don't know if he ever returned to being a jump pilot or not
You are correct, it happened in Australia. A VERY close call!
How adding a sloping angle from the door to the stabiliser in jump planes to stop chutes getting tangled.
Sounds like a good idea from an internet "expert". What could go wrong?
Probably would increase drag and make the plane uncontrollable but no more tangled chutes
Good idea in theory, but probably unworkable. Probably better to put a sharp edge on the horizontal stabilizer to cut the lines.
That is NOT the video of that jump... the whole video is on Teem Friday Freakout. His main container opened during climbout
You're correct. I put a note on the video.
You've had 31 reserve rides? Yikes!
I've done almost 6000 jumps over 50 years with 4 cutaways. But then I'm a Style and Accuracy guy and never had to worry about my rig being grabbed by someone else in freefall.
Blue skies, Bud.
Toronto, Canada
( "Meat-bombs", never heard that one before, brilliant!)
About half we're tandems back years ago when they malfunctioned more.
I have no use for skydiving. It's hard enough to have a good, safe flight below 10000' without having to deal with idiot meatbombs falling through the sky around my airplane.
All you have to do is look at your map and stay clear of parachute centers.
How does a cloth parachute damage a metal flight control surface via the impact only? That's my interpretation of the explanation I'm hearing. I can understand a parachute tangling and preventing the control surface from being moved, but that's not what was said. I'm confused.
The parachute gets caught on the tail and when the skydiver falls past the weight pulling on the lines damages the tail. In this case the tail was almost ripped off!
Interesting video that illustrates two examples of the numerous failure conditions that can, and do arise.
Q. Is there a skydiving accident/incident report generated when such events occur similar to whats required by the FAA in an aircraft accident/incident?
Yes, the United States Parachute Association collects accident reports.
Remember, people can reproduce, planes cannot. 😂
Did you dump your main before going to reserve?
So I imagine this became a teaching point for the next class on why not grabbing the pull away handle to roll skydiver on stomach is a bad idea
At least you lived to teach that point tonyour next class
We covered not grabbing the evaluators handles before jumping but things happen fast in freefall. That's why we train.
I had two instances, one on a tandem, when spuds were kind enough to simplify my opening sequence to the reserve only. I never allowed a family lurker on a tandem again. sigh... blue skies.
I've seen lots of chaos with people swooping tandems.
Unless it was a dire emergency, I would never jump out of a perfectly good plane, and I would think twice about it in the emergency!
No you wouldn't because there is no time for it. You make the decision on the ground based on conditions you have already considered. A *one second* delay can be the difference between living and dying in the wreck and I am *not* kidding. A pilot at a DZ I flew at has a *FOUR SECOND* canopy ride. The ASI was at 220kts when it was recovered from the wreck. You can do the maths and figured how far it descended in one second and if it gave the guy time to get his first jump certificate. He was also grounded for opening too low. That happened but it was a joke though, the opening too low bit.
You're correct. The pilot was a skydiver, and he didn't hesitate once the jumpers were gone. He also hummed it down to 1500 feet because why not?
This is why I don’t go on ,or would ever jump out of one, nope , not me , thanks BigAl California.
Think they still have a "free fall" in TN. Vegas had one for a short time. Propeller kept you falling at ground level. LOL Would be interesting what would happen with no roof, and you deployed a chute.
That seems to happen too often.. Either these reserve parachutes opens too easy or the people don't check their gear or they can't handle it correctly.. 🤔
On the 18th of February 2024, the same happend in Switzerland at the airfield of Grenchen. The tail got partly ripped of by the jumper who's parachute opened. The remaining jumpers got out of the plane quickly, but unfortunatelly the pilot there didn't wear a parachute and couldn't get out of the plane 😐
I always wear one when I'm flying a 182 or 206. I've been lazy about wearing one on the Caravan. I need to do better.
Do you wear your personal and trusted rig or a pilot flat pack? Just curious.
182 has nice close door to get out of in a hurry just like a 205. 👍
Happy the PIC made it. We just pick all those nickels in the grass and buy stuff to build another aircraft...
(Olde retired Boomer Crew Chief and A&P)
I cannot imagine the adrenaline bump you had seeing your cutaway, flyaway... Glad to hear *you* tell this story!
A couple of swear words as well!
in the pre-jump briefing... was there any dialogue about being careful/mindful of handles?
When experienced jumpers go up they usually only talk about what they are going to do on the jump. Safety is never mentioned. Everyone goes over emergency procedures once a year.
Were you able to recover your Reserve deployment bag?
In addition to beer, did the student instructor pay to replace your cutaway handle and the cost of the reserve repack?
Kind of an expensive lesson! Watch out for the handles!
Got the freeebag and the candidate bought me a new cutaway handle.
Same accident in Grenchen, Switzerland. The pilot didn't survive.
Was that the one with the PAC-750 where the pilot wasn't wearing a parachute?
Funny that this popped up, watching it thinking "where the heck do I know this guy from", was it Top Gun...something else?? Had to google his name, then I remember "Ferry pilot"!
Yep, hope you liked the book!
I was just out there 3 or so weeks ago. Gear goddamn checks, people. That actually was a perfectly good airplane.
Probably wasn't something a gear check would solve. I hear he snagged it climbing out.
I have 3 kids from pre-mature deployment!
Your _canopy_ malfunctioned? 🤦♂️
Took me a minute! Lol
I saw the vids of this. ty Kerry
Thanks for watching!
How did the shoot damage the tail.? In the video it looks like it just slides across it.
I really glad the pilot was able to parachute out and everyone was okay.
Thar was a video from another incident.
That is just not something I ever wanted to do. Absolutely no desire to jump out of a plane.
Definitely not for everyone.
Why, in type aircraft where it could be done, is a "anti-foul" rod run from the fuselage at an angle to the forward/outboard leading edge corner of the horizontal stab that would cause anything that would otherwise impact the leading edge of the stab to be deflected outboard. (Similar to but in reverse operation of wire strike protection for rotary wing aircraft)
So, if a jumper's chute or lines were to be deployed, they would "slip" back and outward and then "away" from the stab. Both the aircraft and the jumper's chute likely would not be compromised.
my guess is that this has to do something with certification of the aircraft, maybe regulatory restraints and/or costs are preventing this? but it's a good idea.
also there's not much room between the door and the horizontal-stab to begin with - if you would mount some contraption (maybe a rope would be "enough" to deflect?) there would be an added risk of people hitting that or just hitting their head on exit?
if you look at photos of the accident-aircraft there really is a "catch" on the leading edge corner that looks reaaaally grabby to canopy-lines and may just as well have contributed to getting the horizontal-stab damaged..
@@jodelboy Yes. Amended type certificate can be done, and addresses this very type of situation. It will encompass the methods, procedures and requirements to make a certificating as required for each type aircraft affected and how the "modifications" affect the original design.
In other words, there is a procedure, it simply takes people in the position to bring about a solution to engage in its effort.
(I am not in a position to "make it happen", but will engage with anyone who wants to "brainstorm" the concept.)
That was cool the way you zipped on by the story in the title and made it all about you.
Subscribed. I am a pilot and Skydiver.
Welcome!
Paragliding off a 4300 ft mountain at Jackson Hole was great. 👍👍😎
That would be!
Thank you for explaining what happened. I understand now what happened. The news report I read made no sense.
I jetzer heard one r report that the pilot abandoned the jumpers. Total BS.
I see the birds and patches behind you. DUSTOFF brother!
DUSTOFF!
Wow! Glad your training turned out well for you and the instructor candidates still are.
The candidates had a 75% pass rate in the course. We have high standards if the freefall instructor business and passing is not a given. Most candidates who fail will pass on their second attempt, but not all.
206 Turbine.. That is a big loss.
Very sad. I delivered 2 of them to Europe from the US and loved flying them. I have a 206 that I'm considering converting.
It is. And skydive Kc just changed hands and this is devastating. Glad no one died or was hurt too bad, but what a loss
@@KerryDMcCauley KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK. Retired CFI. 70 years old now.
“Meat bombs”.
That one got me.
I have zero skydiving experience and I intend to keep it that way. But from the edge of my bed I feel like somebody should make airplanes for skydiving with better exits. Like a ramp out the back underneath, with a tail design that is out of the way. This seems simple, a bus with wings and a back door, and a high tail. But I'm not an aircraft engineer either..
There are 2 kinds of aircraft like that used for skydiving. The Skyvan and the Casa. They are fantastic for jumping by expensive and only used in big operations.
2 reserve chutes is better than 1
Something happened at Roy E. Ray Airport in Mobile County Al. In the 80's. with Cessena 182. Pilot was the first one out. His first jump. No injuries.
First one out? "Wait here, I'll go get help!"
The impact site was a round hole about six feet across, nice and neat, just a hunk of metal. No wings or fire. Unless someone told you what it was, you wouldn't know it was a plane. The pilots father, also the DZ owner walked up looking at hole not knowing if his son was in the wreckage. Then is son walked up behind him holding the emergency chute. He turned and embraced his son. The jumper had a belly reserve and was sitting with his back to the instrument panel and there was no door on the plane when the pilot chute prematurely deployed. Pilot was first one out.
Seen a few accidental deployments on the step.Did I hear you right ? You used your reserve 31 times in 38 years of jumping. Lots of sloppy packing...D-7516..
Sounds like he was going for the record. Since they all worked, I would say that was EXCELLENT packing.
Lots of tandem cutaways back in the 90's but now it's mostly line twists on highly loaded canopies. When you're jumping a 79 square foot canopy line twists are no joke! Oh, and I almost never pack for myself.
I used to pack the squares between loads. It was fun to tell the student after the jump that the pilot packed your canopy. No, I *never* jumped. I had a falling fear but was OK in the front left or right seats. 👍
It is a dangerous business!
3:45 I know that plane. Good old 801 foxtrot lima. Fast climbing 13 seater with the plywood bulkhead. Made a lot a lot of memories in that sweet little old jumpship. What i liked best was that the camera step is perfect for tiny humans like me lol.
risk vs reward one of the dumbest activities ever.........
The risk is minimal, and the reward is a lifetime of fun! But it's not for everyone.
the jump master is suppose to be checking everyone as they get in the plane and watch to make sure everything is where it is suppose to be. as for as main and reserve parachutes, my jump master told me the first one is for fun and the second one is for real.
Skydivers don't have jumpmasters onboard unless there are students. We self police, sometimes inadequately.
This instructor is an excellent skydiver, but he sucks as a team pilot! He MUST be the lead pilot on all flights. He does not take instruction himself. He has said, on a few flights on CB Aviation, that if he isn't the captain, they might crash and die. Too bad . .
Someone pulled your cutaway handle? An accident??
Yes, an accident.
I don't mind an adrenaline rush, but I don't think this is the way I want one.
That is an expensive way to get a rush!
@@KerryDMcCauley Cheaper than getting the rush inside the plane.
I always wore a chute when tossing people out of my plane. 😂😂
Safety first always.
You are SERIOUSLY tempting fate!!! Get another job!!!😮😮😮
Never!
I never jumped but the flying was great. Why stop doing what you really *really* enjoy doing. Sometimes it's better than a _horizontal disco._ 👍
Stupid sport. Training methods stink. Equipment is very faulty from what I can see. Sorry
Actually skydiving is one of the safest activities out there. The training is top notch and the equipment is very reliable. There are over 3,200,000 made in the US each year with an fatality rate of 0.0011%.
There was a study one in the US in the early 80s and it found more jumpers were killed in car accidents driving too and from the DZ than actually jumping onto / into the DZ.
It was nice that the falling plane didnt kill anyone on the ground.
Very true!
I lost a good skydiving friend as he hit the tailplane on exit. He was knocked out and failed to activate his chute. Fortunately, the damage to the plane was not critical to the plane itself, so the rest of us could exit and the pilot could land.
The cause of this accident was, that my friend did not give the pilot the usual 'throttle back' and exited in a 'surf' position, gaining lift and hitting the tail with his head. Why he did not adhere to the usual run-in procedure is a mystery, he had a lot of experience.
Inverted stall is one thing, but an inverted stall missing part of the tail puts a lot more skin in the game. I always thought they should put a hole in the floor to drop out of.
Now that would be fun!
Dang! I've seen caravans on the motorways, but never airborne with meatballs jumping out!!!😂 Great work btw!!
The clip of the skydiver leaving the strut after his reserve chute opens prematurely appeared to completely clear the horizontal stabilizer and elevator, however.
It did and i know a few that cleared and a few that hit the tail. Just luck of the draw I guess.
Apparently there might be upcoming video on the actual incident. Stay tuned
"meat bombs" 🤣🤣🤣
Ripcords were going for $5.00 a pop when I first started in 1989, I wonder how much a cutaway is setting back instructor candidates these days?
I think the new handle cost that candidate around $160
@@KerryDMcCauley 😬😅😂🤣🤣
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Hey Kerry, Ive read your books, and loved them. Im a pilot and interested in sky diving one day. Question: have you ever base jumped? is it a common temptation or are many people happy with just jumping out of planes?
I haven't yet but a lot of my friends do and I'm planning on it soon!
Do you remember North Branch with you and I?
LOL! Yes! This happened on your first load. Good times!
Pedestrians have the right of way. Plane hit him, and is at fault.
Lol! You're not wrong!
Good report out, Kerry. Happy endings thankfully.
Bill says "Good Video!"
So glad you liked it!
I’ve had people ask me if I ever thought about building flying time flying skydivers, nope. This cemented that lol
You have a much greater chance of dying driving to a DZ than flying the _nose candy_ crowd.
I am kind of glad I am no longer flying the Twin Otter at the local jump zone. I used to look at those props, there is no way I could get out of that plane.
I have a lot of time flying jumpers in a Twin Otter and you'd jump out of the back if you needed to. pretty unlikely though because the tail is so high.