This will all calm down eventually. There are only 500 FL5’s currently in the US due to the 10,000 plus orders in Japan. They won’t be rare in a year. Congrats on the new ride. Looking forward to your future FL5 videos.
You are right that the market will definitely cool down. California might be one of the markets where there will always be a market adjustment over MSRP sadly just like it was for the FK8
While I agree with you, you’ll never get everyone to agree on the same dollar amount. It will calm down and frankly prices are negotiable if you show to the dealership that you are serious buyer.
Looking forward to you taking this to the track. You have a good amount of experience with the FK8 and would like a true track focused comparison from you. I was interested to see that on the street the fk8 was a bit faster because of the gear ratios but im sure the added rigidity, clearance for larger tires and increased cooling capacity will speak volumes as a track focused car.
The FL5 is GREAT value at msrp or barely over (＄5k max) Not ＄10k-15k+ over. But that's just how the market is. Either have to take the dive or risk missing out.. thing is, if everybody stood their ground, they would have to adjust it... fomo will do that
I don’t disagree with you but you’ll never get everyone to agree to hold out. It’s more than just the new car price. Even used 2021 FK8’s are selling for $10k-$13k over what their new MSRP was with 20k miles on them. Of course this is region specific but I’m sure you understand my point. No Dealership in their right mind will get anywhere closer to MSRP until at least the used car market is WELL below MSRP from new. Great if you can wait… The product cycle for the FL5 might be done by the time you see MSRP (depending on where you live). I just don’t see it happening in places like CA
Congratulations !!! I love the Type Rs, FK8 and FL5 look amazing. I own a Red Focus RS, C63s and an M2 Competition and would love to get a hold of a type R. looks like a fun car to daily drive with an amazing interior and awesome Honda community.
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
While I agree with you, you’ll never get everyone to agree on the same dollar amount. It will calm down and frankly prices are negotiable if you show to the dealership that you are serious buyer.
WELCOME BACK TO THE CIVIC TYPE R COMMUNITY BROTHA!! 🎉 Found your channel back when you had the fk8 and never unsubscribed to your channel! I can’t wait to see all the new content you make with this car! Congrats! 🍾 🤙🏽
I'm not sure why more US citizens ,don't buy in Canada? Our dollar is right off the top 25% less and a lot of honda dealers are selling at MSRP or 3K over which to me is a bargain! Same exact car but 25-30% cheaper.
It’s a massive headache transporting cars across state let alone from a different country. Different emission laws, registration challenges, shipping costs etc etc etc. Odometer may have to be changed as well if it only reads KPH.
Dealerships definitely are willing to sell out of state, and registration for an out of state car in California requires a DMV visit, and smog. It will cost you $1500 for open transport from the east coast.
It looks fantastic black on black, but the dealerships are just adding crazy markups on these. I don’t know maybe in a few years the prices will come down, but I doubt it.
I would’ve put bath towels down on all the seats if it were me and also on the carpet you need to get yourself some weather tech floor mats otherwise that red is going to stain with every touch of a shoe
So you talked about all these different prices but you didn't say exactly what you paid we want to know exactly how much you paid tho just curious? I overpaid on mine but I love it.. 21 paid 47k
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
Congrats on your new car. Man....I can't wrap my head around this market. It's absolutely ridiculous. I remember buying my ITR new 20 years ago for msrp no questions. This platform was always meant to be a an affordable sport trim and the dealers greed binge the last few years is completely reprehensible. As long as people keep paying premiums, they have no reason to stop🤷♂️
Thank you! And yea I agree with you. Even if you take the new car market it off the equation. To get a decently clean, lowing Mike, used S2000 you’ll be paying what it used to sell for at MSRP 20 years ago
I love the CTR, so I cannot wait for what’s to come with this in terms of mods and possible track days. What’s more exciting for me is how much room it has to haul the kiddos and how functional it is as a daily!
@@hondaman8648 if you’re only talking about just acceleration then the FK8 from a a roll is quicker. Around lap on a circuit track… FL5 will be quicker
Man... listen if people keep playing this dealer's game of buying over msrp this car is going to continue to be virtually unobtainable to your average car enthusiasts just like the new Z. You're inadvertently making yourself apart of the problem. The more people pay these markups, the more the dealers are gonna continue their bullshit. The Type R absolutely shouldn't be unobtainable for most people, yet it is. That goes against everything Type R stands for.
I agree with you to a point. It’s a great idea but will never work because it’s not JUST “greedy” dealerships pricing and selling these cars. As cited in the video it’s the used FK8 market that is also contributing to the new FL5 prices. So until the used car market comes down to well below MSRP, you won’t see the new cars come down to anywhere close to MSRP (depending on where you live). Now. Having said that I can tell you from the dozens of cars I’ve bought over the years… if you are genuinely a serious buyer with check in hand ready to drive a car off the lot then I can assure you the dealerships are all willing to negotiate. These TH-camrs walking into to the dealership and running away with their tails between their legs right after they get the very first number are spreading misinformation on how the ACTUAL market is. Pro tip. It isn’t the crazy $30k markup that so many believe.
@Michael Baxi Media I definitely get that too. And by no means am I throwing shade. It just sucks every time an FL5 sells the FK8 market "benefits" as well. It's a double edged sword, especially for people parting out or selling. And it's really sad because eventually the FK8 is also going to creep into unobtainable territory for most people.
Yeah but if you think about it you’re still paying just about MSRP for a 4 year old car with a bunch of miles on it. That’s what pushed me to get the FL5
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
You can get it for less than $60k but yeah car market is tough here in CA. I hear that the 2024 will bump up in MSRP closer to $50k. Not sure if that’s true but it if is then paying over right now (within reason of course) may not be too whacky after all.
@@GridZilla They can't just add $6k msrp for the same model today, it'll definitely be a refresh model with probably the best of the best since it'll be Hondas last gas type r
Even if a dealer were to lower it to 15-20k for that markup, thats just not a smart financial decision for anyone. 😅 Especially out there in California, Import fever for this car will make a few people regret this purchase.
Ordered same color as thinking was it blended with the spoiler, antenna on the roof and side mirrors better than all the other colors. Seeing yours confirms my opinion. Good one. Incidentally even have similar ultra Apple watch as you. Ocean band like yours but in the more under the radar color midnight. There the similarities end For I am almost 70 and you are nowhere close! Enjoy.
I find it weird that the old one is actually faster in a rolling race though, thanks to throttle house review of it. Personally probably gonna pass on this type r even though it looks better than the previous gen imo. I just wish they made it all wheel drive this time around. Golf r definitely ahead of its time when it comes to that with drift mode too.
Really depends on what you’re looking to get out of the car. If Roll Racing is what you’re into then any Type R is a terrible choice. Supra is king for roll racing.
@@GridZilla Definitely agreed, I was hoping it was gonna be faster than the old gen in all aspects since it's at 40k margin now. Still definitely has the best manual in it's class for sure!
ive seen 10k markups on the type r!? how much markup was on this car when you bought it? hopefully no more 2nd gear grind/4th gear lockout and the over heating issues!
Congrats, Broheim! Couldn't get into the looks of the FK8, Sleeper looks have always been better. Assuming both stock, the CTR can circle Nurburgring faster than the BMWupra.
Stock for stock Id say the FK8 and FL5 are better track cars than the Supra but once you get past $10k-$15k in mods the Supra pulls ahead and has a much higher potential ceiling.
@@GridZilla I concur, the point of diminishing returns for any FWD car is just inherently lower sadly. Which is why it's funny when you see someone blow big money to pump their Mazda3/Civic/Sentra to like 500+bhp.
Would like to see comparisons from your FK8, pros and cons of the FL5. I still have my FK8(19) and is FBO, tuned. I'm considering on getting an FL5..but my FK8 is "perfection."
Congrats. Great car, great content. Love it in black, suits it well. Hey, now you can even drive with the windows down! And see! Looking forward to seeing this journey unfold.
@@g.dubyou6263 I saw that post. That resource link is actually how I found my CBP in SoCal. More cars are coming but keep in mind, the 186 cars at the port on the East Coast are all likely for the East Coast that haven’t gotten any cars yet. I know a few people that work at Honda dealerships. Word is that the first batch came in and that all we’ve got until next year. Maybe late January of February. Maybe 1-2 will trickle in at a couple of dealerships that did t get one yet but that’s it. The vast majority of the cars being built are going to stay in Japan first to fulfill the 10,000+ orders for the FL5.
You have been hustled. Sixty grand for an upgraded Si isn’t worth it. They ripped you off. Hope you make back your money from TH-cam. That car hardly worth $44000.00 look good though.
Upgraded SI? chassis, suspension setup, and engine are all radically different, lol. Even if he decides to sell his Fl5 40k miles in he’ll still exit with very little loss because type Rs absolutely hold their value. Car companies are not going to be putting much R&D into future petrol based cars due to the massive green revolution that’s on all of our doorsteps (obviously in a few years). That point alone solidifies a nice future resale price.
Yep I got hustled lol just like I got hustled paying over on my 2018 FK8, driving the hell out of it for for 3 years then selling it to Carmax for $3k less than I paid for it. Yup I’m sure I got hustled 🤪🤣
If you are not into Hondas, or fwd cars in general, it is normal to feel this way when you can spend about the same $ on a v6 or v8 muscle car (or even a euro) and feel that it is worth it more. But, dollar for dollar and in stock form, these fwd sport cars are super fun to drive and cheap to maintain. Don't pigeon-hole yourself to a specific make/type of car. True car guys love and can appreciate all cars.
I work for a Honda Dealership in Ohio. I’m wondering why they did not do a proper delivery? We sit with our clients and demonstrate all of the functions, such as Apple Car Play, etc. looks like they just tossed you the keys and said good luck…. 😂
You are lucky man. I am from Canada and I have been waiting for over 18 months as well with a manager in one of the biggest dealership. Now they said they gonna give it to those “VVIP” first, also trying to turn it to a used car so to mark it up…
I mean… everything has a markup now. Even Golf R or GTI, civic SI and used FK8. I chose black for mine a year ago because it hide some busy look on FK8. I would like to see appreciation of type R rather than depreciation as an owner you know.. lol anyways.. i love FL5. To me, all type R are good car. FK2, FK8, FL5 i will buy any of it if i can afford. Sometimes, someone’s wife is prettier than mine. I educated “ don’t covet”
@@mvtwf huh? What’s passive aggressive? I don’t like discussing money on any of my videos. You can scroll through every single one of them. I don’t mention pricing on anything. I’m sure someone out there probably paid MSRP for their FL5. Doesn’t matter to me because that’s not likely what most people will pay. So I’ll say it again. Why does it matter? If you want one, try to find the best deal you can and decide on whether it’s worth it to you or not. Simple
@@GridZilla It does matter. Sharing things like this for other enthusiast only empowers everyone else with more information than no information. Can you imagine if everyone never shared what they paid for anything especially things like repair costs for shops etc? People wouldn't know they were getting ripped off etc. Information like this helps the community in a positive way. If you shared what you paid, it would help the community rather than hurt...Not discussing money in any videos yes is your choice but the reasoning why you aren't sharing doesn't make sense, that it doesn't matter...It does though in a significant way just like the example I shared earlier.
Yeah, going back to an FK8 wayyyy over MSRP used is definitely not the move. Good call there. If did not have an FK8 I would be fully focused on getting an FL5. I don't think this one will overheat as bad. That is such a buzzkill. Anyway, see you around! Maybe we'll meet at a socal vs norcal Type R again.
I live in Vancouver , here its already ALL SOLD OUT, I called all the honda dealer around B.C . I PAYED 10000+5000 CAD ABOVE MSRP, one of the dealer finally agree to save one for me... mine its gray color. The craziest thing is , lots of others payed $5000-10000 down payment beg dealers put their name on the waiting list, their down payment to dealer just wait the next year or 2-4 years later Type r, each dealer have at least 3-7 these people, and the dealer can't even 100% for sure will get their car, you can imagine how crazy this is just for a honda car. I have no idea why Honda doing this to us, just ship more car in NA how hard that is
It’s a great car, but I would never pay over msrp for this. If you wanted bad enough I guess it makes sense… also depends on how rich you are. Glad to see you back in a type R though.
Man I said it on the forum and I’ll say it here again. In Canada we don’t get black and I love my FL5 in CW but I’d take it in black if I had a choice. It looks so menacing!
Should have got a old EG civic hatch or sedan and put a k24a or k24a2 and put that in the EG hatch with a big boy turbo on it for 1200$ that will smoke that FL5 🤦♂️
For one… you can’t smog that car in CA which a big minus for me. Not as safe in a clapped out EG and two baby seats, not as comfortable, not as quiet, none of the modern amenities and finally I could care less about drag racing or roll racing. I only care about laptimes.
Congrats on the car!!! I myself just am not in a financial position to pay markups of 10-25k over MSRP. Call me broke, but at that point we’re talking entry level used Corvette, Supra, and even GT350. But hey if you got the money 💪🏼 do with it what ya please! You earned it not me!
Well Michael…This is your number 2 Fan once again…whispering in your ear like Jimminy Cricket. Welcome back to The Type R Fold My Brother!!! Beautiful Ride Man!!! Read through all of the comments and was amazed by the interest in how much you paid…Well…as we both already know…THAT’S between you and the loansharks Bro!😂 I’m sincerely happy for you Man and pray that The Type R Gods will be most kind and forgiving to you on track days…especially in the cooling department! I’m sure that you and Dr. Drew will be triumphant!😁 When I get my Type R back from the body shop…and finally complete my mods…maybe I’ll track you down for a donut and a cup of Joe…so you can stroll down memory lane…minus the overheating rage issues of course!😂
The only reason you got this car is because the hype and TH-cam followers. Nobody in their right mind would pay over 70k for a civic type r unless they are that silly! 😂 man so many better car options at that price. And you are getting nothing more from that car other than the 44k price it’s worth. But the TH-cam stuff will help you make up hopefully for the 30k thrown In the trash. Literally🤦♂️
Why does everyone think these cars sell for $70-$80k like you just want to make up numbers to make yourself feel better for not owning one? I don’t get it. No one paid $80k or $70k or $60k
@@GridZilla because they do!! 😂😂😂 have you even went to try and get one?? Exactly! I have and it’s insane 😂😂😂 people are paying an extra 40,000 just to be a little faster than a Elantra N 😂😂
Make sure you bring that same energy when cars that you can buy today for several thousands of dollars under MSRP are only selling for MSRP because you want to buy directly from the manufacturer. Dealerships going away would be the worst thing to happen to consumers. You just have to get better at negotiating
Northern CA? + live next to high traffic road? + must park one of your two rice rockets outside? You gonna need to sleep in your car with a gun to prevent auto theft.
Michael, Michael, Michael..... You sneaky devil. You are back in the CTR. I'm one of your OG subscribers, I got my FK8 because of your content. (thanks by the way) I'm loving the Supra content. I'm now prepping to get myself in a Supra as well and keeping the FK8. (my bank account is not too happy though). Anyway, totally looking forward to the FL5 content. Keep it up my man!!
That’s what I ran into too brother. I just bought a brand new 2021 VW Jetta GLI Autobahn 7 months back. Wanted a brand new 2022 but they were NO WHERE to be had. I was running into the same thing, I was willing to drive 500 miles to get it and no one would sell me one, nor order one because no dealers could get stock. I ended up calling a VW dealer in Atlanta, and they agreed to sell it to me at MSRP since I was driving so far to get it and because it was last years model. But man I called dealers all the way around me up to 500 miles away and no one would even try to speak to me about a sale out of state. They had a guaranteed sale and they flat out refused. Autotrader was my best friend. For you folks out there trying to buy a car right now. Use auto trader, it works at getting to the information you’ll need to talk these dealers down. It’s rough out there right now in the car market
Honda lovers are supposed to ban together and not buy the type race at such a huge mark up so the dealers drop the huge mark up the dealers are killing the numbers sold which could in turn kill a car
I disagree. Every buyer, every dealership, every scenario and every region are going to be different. The demand shows that enthusiasts want these cars and makes it more likely that Honda continue to build these cars.
@@meyerracer so let me ask you a question… if the MSRP on the 2024 model year got bumped to $49k are you still ok with paying $5k over MSRP? People are so hell bent on paying “MSRP” when that’s a number that the manufacturer can increase just as it has for so many brands in the last year or so. People buy Teslas in droves and yell from the top of the mountain that they paid MSRP. Meanwhile that “MSRP” has increased by several thousand of dollars in a 6 month period for the same car. That’s still a markup just built into your new MSRP number.
I don’t know anyone that has paid that lol but maybe someone out there has. Country wide I’d say your looking at $10k and up. CA I’ve heard anywhere from $10k to $30k
Congrats on the R! People shouldn't freak out too much about these cars being bought by strangers with a $20-30K markup. The dealerships are the ONLY people benefiting from this and there will always be someone willing to pay crazy prices so it won't change. The R won't hold its value at this level. Especially as production increases and other options hit the market (i.e Type S). For those that want one and either don't have a ton of loose change floating around or don't want to take out a bonkers loan at high rates and an impending depreciation cliff, just be patient. Until then, enjoy the content!
@@GridZilla timid people do exist, but it’s highly unlikely that someone who is unwilling or unable to pay a $20k+ markup is actually paying a large sum solely because they don’t want to negotiate. They made the decision to purchase at the higher price before calling/visiting because even if they were scared to negotiate there is always the option to walk away.
Or maybe because I need a 4 door, love Honda and didn’t want to drive something boring. Not to mention in a full track build the Supra has a higher ceiling so not much “overlap” at all
🤷🏽♂️ I’ve personally witnessed people paying $100k over on some cars. Even $300k over MSRP and other cars I’ve seen thousand below invoice. It’s purely a function of supply and demand.
Hell yeah brother! Glad to have you back with the Type R community. One of the few content creators that I stumbled upon that helped me make the decision to purchase a FK8 last year. Can’t wait to see what you got in store with the FL5. Much love from Hawaii bro 🤙🏽
Hey, Big Congrats to you on your Brand New FL5 2023 Type R. I bought a car from Nevada years ago and drove back to California. I really enjoyed the drive. Me alone with my new car and the road. Bliss .... 👍
This will all calm down eventually. There are only 500 FL5’s currently in the US due to the 10,000 plus orders in Japan. They won’t be rare in a year. Congrats on the new ride. Looking forward to your future FL5 videos.
You are right that the market will definitely cool down. California might be one of the markets where there will always be a market adjustment over MSRP sadly just like it was for the FK8
Maybe not 'rare' but they're never easy to get
isn't California going to stop selling gas vehicles pretty soon?
@@samsmith4067 2035
The old type r has a markup don't get your hopes up 😂
Congrats bro, but honestly can’t believe you’re stinking up the car with McDonald’s after just picking it up, just get off and eat real quick 🤦🏻♂️
Lol I knoooooww 😢
Crazy times where 60k barely gets you a CTR. People are crazy for instant gratification these days. Same for the people paying 5k markup for Si’s.
It’s a different world for sure
@@GridZilla mike you lease?
@@PremiumUserUltra hell no… bought it.
What was the price you pay for your FL5?
It sucks!
Wishing that ppl would stop paying over msrp for vehicles.....it's not helping the problem
While I agree with you, you’ll never get everyone to agree on the same dollar amount. It will calm down and frankly prices are negotiable if you show to the dealership that you are serious buyer.
I got my type R in Texas and drove it all the way to NYC 🤣🤣 27 hour drive
This is the way 👊🏽
Looking forward to you taking this to the track. You have a good amount of experience with the FK8 and would like a true track focused comparison from you. I was interested to see that on the street the fk8 was a bit faster because of the gear ratios but im sure the added rigidity, clearance for larger tires and increased cooling capacity will speak volumes as a track focused car.
Yeah I really think the secret sauce in the FL5 is in the chassis development. Will be exciting for sure
Can't wait to see ur videos on what you do to the new type r!
Dealers are doing 20k markup on those
Yeah mostly $20k-$29k markup. You can negotiate down from there.
The FL5 is GREAT value at msrp or barely over (＄5k max) Not ＄10k-15k+ over. But that's just how the market is. Either have to take the dive or risk missing out.. thing is, if everybody stood their ground, they would have to adjust it... fomo will do that
I don’t disagree with you but you’ll never get everyone to agree to hold out. It’s more than just the new car price. Even used 2021 FK8’s are selling for $10k-$13k over what their new MSRP was with 20k miles on them. Of course this is region specific but I’m sure you understand my point. No Dealership in their right mind will get anywhere closer to MSRP until at least the used car market is WELL below MSRP from new. Great if you can wait… The product cycle for the FL5 might be done by the time you see MSRP (depending on where you live). I just don’t see it happening in places like CA
Found you through FK8 content and stuck with you because I like your style. Excited to get your real opinions on FK8 vs FL5.
Thank you! 🙏🏽
Congratulations and good luck!! Awesome car.
Thank you!
Congratulations !!! I love the Type Rs, FK8 and FL5 look amazing. I own a Red Focus RS, C63s and an M2 Competition and would love to get a hold of a type R. looks like a fun car to daily drive with an amazing interior and awesome Honda community.
That’s a nice stable you got there! It’s the best all round car I’ve ever owned
just tell us how much you paid
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
People need to stop playing over msrp, dealers are just taking advantage of the consumers. Congrats on the car it is beautiful
While I agree with you, you’ll never get everyone to agree on the same dollar amount. It will calm down and frankly prices are negotiable if you show to the dealership that you are serious buyer.
WELCOME BACK TO THE CIVIC TYPE R COMMUNITY BROTHA!! 🎉 Found your channel back when you had the fk8 and never unsubscribed to your channel! I can’t wait to see all the new content you make with this car! Congrats! 🍾 🤙🏽
Thank you! 🙏🏽
I'm not sure why more US citizens ,don't buy in Canada? Our dollar is right off the top 25% less and a lot of honda dealers are selling at MSRP or 3K over which to me is a bargain! Same exact car but 25-30% cheaper.
It’s a massive headache transporting cars across state let alone from a different country. Different emission laws, registration challenges, shipping costs etc etc etc. Odometer may have to be changed as well if it only reads KPH.
2 months later the price has dropped out. lol
Somewhat yeah but that was to be expected... $5k-$10K over seems to be about the market now.
Dealerships definitely are willing to sell out of state, and registration for an out of state car in California requires a DMV visit, and smog. It will cost you $1500 for open transport from the east coast.
During my search I didn’t find one but I think that was mainly due to the Type Rs hitting the west coast first
loving the content man, picking up my fl5 next week. praying they fix the overheating issues
You and me both brother. Congrats!
Are you trying to justify your mark up
Not at all just sharing the struggle living in the biggest car market in the world and the challenges that come with that
You really did your research well.
What car did you but for your wife to drive, as she'd be feeling left out without any cars?
My wife’s cars change almost as often as mine do. Lol she’s in a 23 Acura MDX at the moment
Never bring mcdonalds inside your car, it leaves a terrible smell
Yeaaaah you’re right. Luckily I have some Tree Frog Squash 😁
It looks fantastic black on black, but the dealerships are just adding crazy markups on these. I don’t know maybe in a few years the prices will come down, but I doubt it.
They’ll come down a bit. If you’re serious enough you can negotiate with the dealers now
I would’ve put bath towels down on all the seats if it were me and also on the carpet you need to get yourself some weather tech floor mats otherwise that red is going to stain with every touch of a shoe
Yes! I will be getting rubber for mats
FL5 is way nicer in person. Mark ups are ridiculous still though
Agreed
I Think You Made The Right Choice On Getting The Black!!!!!! Fuck That Car Looks Great!!!!!!!
Yeah I love it
Black is the best color imo…it blends in with the spoiler as for the other colors just looks like an aftermarket part
Agreed
Was thinking that too! Black is great for this Gen Type R.
@@phw340 my favorite car color. Can’t go wrong!
So you talked about all these different prices but you didn't say exactly what you paid we want to know exactly how much you paid tho just curious? I overpaid on mine but I love it.. 21 paid 47k
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
Congrats on your new car. Man....I can't wrap my head around this market. It's absolutely ridiculous. I remember buying my ITR new 20 years ago for msrp no questions. This platform was always meant to be a an affordable sport trim and the dealers greed binge the last few years is completely reprehensible. As long as people keep paying premiums, they have no reason to stop🤷♂️
Thank you! And yea I agree with you. Even if you take the new car market it off the equation. To get a decently clean, lowing Mike, used S2000 you’ll be paying what it used to sell for at MSRP 20 years ago
I love the CTR, so I cannot wait for what’s to come with this in terms of mods and possible track days. What’s more exciting for me is how much room it has to haul the kiddos and how functional it is as a daily!
Nothing better on the market as an all rounder
Be the same performance wise as an fk8.
@@hondaman8648 how do you figure?
Same engine...
@@hondaman8648 if you’re only talking about just acceleration then the FK8 from a a roll is quicker. Around lap on a circuit track… FL5 will be quicker
love all your videos!
Thank you!
Congrats on the new FL5! I just bought my first FK8 today, now I see what everyone’s talking about this amazing car.
Congrats! You can’t go wrong with the FK8
Man... listen if people keep playing this dealer's game of buying over msrp this car is going to continue to be virtually unobtainable to your average car enthusiasts just like the new Z. You're inadvertently making yourself apart of the problem. The more people pay these markups, the more the dealers are gonna continue their bullshit. The Type R absolutely shouldn't be unobtainable for most people, yet it is. That goes against everything Type R stands for.
I agree with you to a point. It’s a great idea but will never work because it’s not JUST “greedy” dealerships pricing and selling these cars. As cited in the video it’s the used FK8 market that is also contributing to the new FL5 prices. So until the used car market comes down to well below MSRP, you won’t see the new cars come down to anywhere close to MSRP (depending on where you live). Now. Having said that I can tell you from the dozens of cars I’ve bought over the years… if you are genuinely a serious buyer with check in hand ready to drive a car off the lot then I can assure you the dealerships are all willing to negotiate. These TH-camrs walking into to the dealership and running away with their tails between their legs right after they get the very first number are spreading misinformation on how the ACTUAL market is. Pro tip. It isn’t the crazy $30k markup that so many believe.
@Michael Baxi Media I definitely get that too. And by no means am I throwing shade. It just sucks every time an FL5 sells the FK8 market "benefits" as well. It's a double edged sword, especially for people parting out or selling. And it's really sad because eventually the FK8 is also going to creep into unobtainable territory for most people.
@@sus.fk8633 prices already don’t make sense for the FK8. That’s why I got the FL5! Lol
Money talks - its just life
Bro I’m starting to join the market for a type r and the fk8 is going for 36 with 70k miles on Washington😂
But a dealership 40 miles from me had a 2020 with 50 miles for 40k out the door at the start of 2023 so it’s not as bad as your area.
Yeah but if you think about it you’re still paying just about MSRP for a 4 year old car with a bunch of miles on it. That’s what pushed me to get the FL5
@@GridZilla yea I’m leaning fl5 for that reason plus the interior is a huge step up imo
@@BlueCivid when you consider ALL the variables it’s worth it
Bruh, I came to see your type r and i got your face for half the video.
Lol where was this?
Did you say how much you paid?
I don’t really talk about what I pay for anything on my channel. Main reason being that whether it’s for parts or the car itself, prices change and the deal that you might work out will likely be different than mine so it’s all kind of moot.
Nice ride, congrats on the car. In California especially i doubt you can get one less than $60K until 2024. Some places were charging up to $70K…
You can get it for less than $60k but yeah car market is tough here in CA. I hear that the 2024 will bump up in MSRP closer to $50k. Not sure if that’s true but it if is then paying over right now (within reason of course) may not be too whacky after all.
@@GridZilla They can't just add $6k msrp for the same model today, it'll definitely be a refresh model with probably the best of the best since it'll be Hondas last gas type r
can't wait to see your tack videos and comparing the fl5 to the fk8.
holding off on building my fk8 for now.
Congrats. I'm waiting on my Rallye Red to come in. I put the deposit down 3 weeks ago. Great video.
I’ve seen the Rallye red! That’s a sweet color on that car. Congrats! And thank you!
Ah another successful 15-20K markup purchase
And a stock motor that won’t blow up! 🤪
@@GridZilla GR Corolla will give it a run for its money
@@DrBenz63 yet to be seen
Even if a dealer were to lower it to 15-20k for that markup, thats just not a smart financial decision for anyone. 😅 Especially out there in California, Import fever for this car will make a few people regret this purchase.
@@jed23ify i agree for the most part.
Havent been on here for a minute, the FK8 is gone?!
Looooong gone. For about a year and a half now.
Ordered same color as thinking was it blended with the spoiler, antenna on the roof and side mirrors better than all the other colors. Seeing yours confirms my opinion. Good one. Incidentally even have similar ultra Apple watch as you. Ocean band like yours
but in the more under the radar color midnight. There the similarities end For I am almost 70 and you are nowhere close! Enjoy.
Thank you!
I find it weird that the old one is actually faster in a rolling race though, thanks to throttle house review of it. Personally probably gonna pass on this type r even though it looks better than the previous gen imo. I just wish they made it all wheel drive this time around. Golf r definitely ahead of its time when it comes to that with drift mode too.
Really depends on what you’re looking to get out of the car. If Roll Racing is what you’re into then any Type R is a terrible choice. Supra is king for roll racing.
@@GridZilla Definitely agreed, I was hoping it was gonna be faster than the old gen in all aspects since it's at 40k margin now. Still definitely has the best manual in it's class for sure!
ive seen 10k markups on the type r!? how much markup was on this car when you bought it? hopefully no more 2nd gear grind/4th gear lockout and the over heating issues!
Only time will tell!
Congrats, Broheim! Couldn't get into the looks of the FK8, Sleeper looks have always been better. Assuming both stock, the CTR can circle Nurburgring faster than the BMWupra.
Stock for stock Id say the FK8 and FL5 are better track cars than the Supra but once you get past $10k-$15k in mods the Supra pulls ahead and has a much higher potential ceiling.
@@GridZilla I concur, the point of diminishing returns for any FWD car is just inherently lower sadly. Which is why it's funny when you see someone blow big money to pump their Mazda3/Civic/Sentra to like 500+bhp.
Would like to see comparisons from your FK8, pros and cons of the FL5.
I still have my FK8(19) and is FBO, tuned. I'm considering on getting an FL5..but my FK8 is "perfection."
That will definitely be a discussion on a video. FK8 vs FL5
Congrats. Great car, great content. Love it in black, suits it well.
Hey, now you can even drive with the windows down! And see!
Looking forward to seeing this journey unfold.
Thank you! 🙏🏽
Miss it your type R TH-cam channel
Welcome back! 😁
🤣🤣🤣 damn. I paid $34,257 for my 19 SGP. Sold it 2 years later for $41,000, with 9,980 miles. I definitely should have kept it.
What did you get to replace it?
@@GridZilla I replied to your Facebook post on this video. Interestingly enough, I tried to link it and it won’t post a Fb link.
@@g.dubyou6263 I saw that post. That resource link is actually how I found my CBP in SoCal.
More cars are coming but keep in mind, the 186 cars at the port on the East Coast are all likely for the East Coast that haven’t gotten any cars yet. I know a few people that work at Honda dealerships. Word is that the first batch came in and that all we’ve got until next year. Maybe late January of February. Maybe 1-2 will trickle in at a couple of dealerships that did t get one yet but that’s it.
The vast majority of the cars being built are going to stay in Japan first to fulfill the 10,000+ orders for the FL5.
@@GridZilla How does Japan get away with that.. Haha!! Such a travesty. I also posted my replacement car, a few more posts down in the thread.
@@g.dubyou6263 yep! Nice ride!
You have been hustled. Sixty grand for an upgraded Si isn’t worth it. They ripped you off. Hope you make back your money from TH-cam. That car hardly worth $44000.00 look good though.
Upgraded SI? chassis, suspension setup, and engine are all radically different, lol.
Even if he decides to sell his Fl5 40k miles in he’ll still exit with very little loss because type Rs absolutely hold their value. Car companies are not going to be putting much R&D into future petrol based cars due to the massive green revolution that’s on all of our doorsteps (obviously in a few years). That point alone solidifies a nice future resale price.
Yep I got hustled lol just like I got hustled paying over on my 2018 FK8, driving the hell out of it for for 3 years then selling it to Carmax for $3k less than I paid for it. Yup I’m sure I got hustled 🤪🤣
Looks like someone’s a little bit jealousss 🤭
@@chrisissaeian9352 ya comes with the territory
If you are not into Hondas, or fwd cars in general, it is normal to feel this way when you can spend about the same $ on a v6 or v8 muscle car (or even a euro) and feel that it is worth it more. But, dollar for dollar and in stock form, these fwd sport cars are super fun to drive and cheap to maintain. Don't pigeon-hole yourself to a specific make/type of car. True car guys love and can appreciate all cars.
Congrats brotha! My dream is to fly out somewhere to buy a car and drive her home! Almost did it with an S2000 CR :’)
First time I ever did this! Was excited for the experience
I work for a Honda Dealership in Ohio. I’m wondering why they did not do a proper delivery? We sit with our clients and demonstrate all of the functions, such as Apple Car Play, etc. looks like they just tossed you the keys and said good luck…. 😂
I specifically asked NOT to be shown everything. I like poking around and learning the car myself.
How much over MSRP?
Less than $20k over. I don’t really discuss what I pay for anything on my channel. Parts included
@@GridZilla Thanks. Less than $20k over gives me an idea. Enjoy!
You are lucky man. I am from Canada and I have been waiting for over 18 months as well with a manager in one of the biggest dealership. Now they said they gonna give it to those “VVIP” first, also trying to turn it to a used car so to mark it up…
That’s kind of why I never did a deposit anywhere because the whole car industry was delayed building cars. It Wii be worth it when you get it.
And those dealerships should be reports. I'm happy you're happy with what you paid but payin over MSRP is not worth it.
I mean… everything has a markup now. Even Golf R or GTI, civic SI and used FK8. I chose black for mine a year ago because it hide some busy look on FK8. I would like to see appreciation of type R rather than depreciation as an owner you know.. lol anyways.. i love FL5. To me, all type R are good car. FK2, FK8, FL5 i will buy any of it if i can afford. Sometimes, someone’s wife is prettier than mine. I educated “ don’t covet”
how come ppl are afraid to tell how much over msrp they paid
Why do you care so much? Is it your money?
@@GridZilla bc it gives me an idea of how much I’d be paying if I bought one with my money.
@@GridZilla good luck with your channel being passive aggressive with your viewers tho 👍🏿 cheers
@@mvtwf huh? What’s passive aggressive? I don’t like discussing money on any of my videos. You can scroll through every single one of them. I don’t mention pricing on anything. I’m sure someone out there probably paid MSRP for their FL5. Doesn’t matter to me because that’s not likely what most people will pay. So I’ll say it again. Why does it matter? If you want one, try to find the best deal you can and decide on whether it’s worth it to you or not. Simple
@@GridZilla It does matter. Sharing things like this for other enthusiast only empowers everyone else with more information than no information. Can you imagine if everyone never shared what they paid for anything especially things like repair costs for shops etc? People wouldn't know they were getting ripped off etc. Information like this helps the community in a positive way. If you shared what you paid, it would help the community rather than hurt...Not discussing money in any videos yes is your choice but the reasoning why you aren't sharing doesn't make sense, that it doesn't matter...It does though in a significant way just like the example I shared earlier.
Yeah, going back to an FK8 wayyyy over MSRP used is definitely not the move. Good call there. If did not have an FK8 I would be fully focused on getting an FL5. I don't think this one will overheat as bad. That is such a buzzkill. Anyway, see you around! Maybe we'll meet at a socal vs norcal Type R again.
I’m hopeful on the FL5 being AT LEAST a better starting point over heating wise but I still suspect it will need some help from the after market
I live in Vancouver , here its already ALL SOLD OUT, I called all the honda dealer around B.C . I PAYED 10000+5000 CAD ABOVE MSRP, one of the dealer finally agree to save one for me... mine its gray color. The craziest thing is , lots of others payed $5000-10000 down payment beg dealers put their name on the waiting list, their down payment to dealer just wait the next year or 2-4 years later Type r, each dealer have at least 3-7 these people, and the dealer can't even 100% for sure will get their car, you can imagine how crazy this is just for a honda car. I have no idea why Honda doing this to us, just ship more car in NA how hard that is
That’s crazy! Not sure goes much control Honda has. Production works wide for everyone is still way down
Type R = WHITE!!!!!!😢
Too common for me 🙂
It’s a great car, but I would never pay over msrp for this. If you wanted bad enough I guess it makes sense… also depends on how rich you are. Glad to see you back in a type R though.
Man I said it on the forum and I’ll say it here again. In Canada we don’t get black and I love my FL5 in CW but I’d take it in black if I had a choice. It looks so menacing!
Agreed! I’m partial to the black
Should have got a old EG civic hatch or sedan and put a k24a or k24a2 and put that in the EG hatch with a big boy turbo on it for 1200$ that will smoke that FL5 🤦♂️
For one… you can’t smog that car in CA which a big minus for me. Not as safe in a clapped out EG and two baby seats, not as comfortable, not as quiet, none of the modern amenities and finally I could care less about drag racing or roll racing. I only care about laptimes.
Congrats on the car!!! I myself just am not in a financial position to pay markups of 10-25k over MSRP. Call me broke, but at that point we’re talking entry level used Corvette, Supra, and even GT350. But hey if you got the money 💪🏼 do with it what ya please! You earned it not me!
If I didn’t already own a Supra I might have looked that direction but you aren’t wrong. A lot of great cars in the $65k+ range
Well Michael…This is your number 2 Fan once again…whispering in your ear like Jimminy Cricket. Welcome back to The Type R Fold My Brother!!! Beautiful Ride Man!!! Read through all of the comments and was amazed by the interest in how much you paid…Well…as we both already know…THAT’S between you and the loansharks Bro!😂 I’m sincerely happy for you Man and pray that The Type R Gods will be most kind and forgiving to you on track days…especially in the cooling department! I’m sure that you and Dr. Drew will be triumphant!😁 When I get my Type R back from the body shop…and finally complete my mods…maybe I’ll track you down for a donut and a cup of Joe…so you can stroll down memory lane…minus the overheating rage issues of course!😂
Lol always appreciate you brother!
most socal dealers are firm at 15k markup
Or higher
lil over 60k for the new R doesnt sound bad at all when 2021 type R’s are 50!
@@Eggsplanepls exactly my point… although even that feels a bit high for me 🤣🤣🤣
The only reason you got this car is because the hype and TH-cam followers. Nobody in their right mind would pay over 70k for a civic type r unless they are that silly! 😂 man so many better car options at that price. And you are getting nothing more from that car other than the 44k price it’s worth. But the TH-cam stuff will help you make up hopefully for the 30k thrown In the trash. Literally🤦♂️
Why does everyone think these cars sell for $70-$80k like you just want to make up numbers to make yourself feel better for not owning one? I don’t get it. No one paid $80k or $70k or $60k
@@GridZilla because they do!! 😂😂😂 have you even went to try and get one?? Exactly! I have and it’s insane 😂😂😂 people are paying an extra 40,000 just to be a little faster than a Elantra N 😂😂
@@nmode22 not sure where you are shopping but you should move out lol
I wish we could all restrain ourselves & walk away from anything over MSRP.
I really wish the manufacturers would start selling directly to consumers!
Make sure you bring that same energy when cars that you can buy today for several thousands of dollars under MSRP are only selling for MSRP because you want to buy directly from the manufacturer.
Dealerships going away would be the worst thing to happen to consumers. You just have to get better at negotiating
Wireless apple car play is wack, sure convenient, but the sound quality difference is night and day from regular carplay
Yeah the sound quality isn’t as good but for need the convenience makes up for it.
Northern CA? + live next to high traffic road? + must park one of your two rice rockets outside? You gonna need to sleep in your car with a gun to prevent auto theft.
Both cars are garaged
Michael, Michael, Michael..... You sneaky devil. You are back in the CTR. I'm one of your OG subscribers, I got my FK8 because of your content. (thanks by the way) I'm loving the Supra content. I'm now prepping to get myself in a Supra as well and keeping the FK8. (my bank account is not too happy though). Anyway, totally looking forward to the FL5 content. Keep it up my man!!
Ha! Love it brother.! Thank you for sticking with me. Supra+Type R=best combo ever
I hope u didn't pay 90k for a Civic. Even if it's a type r. Not worth it
Under $60k
Tons of people have talked about the Apple Carplay....what I really want to know is how much was the markup?
Why does it matter?
Welcome back, I'll be waiting for more type r content.
Thank you!
Pretty much every on the FL5 looks better than the FK8. Bias? No just a previous FK8 owner
Looks are subjective but seeing the FL5 in person is what made all the difference for me
That’s what I ran into too brother. I just bought a brand new 2021 VW Jetta GLI Autobahn 7 months back. Wanted a brand new 2022 but they were NO WHERE to be had. I was running into the same thing, I was willing to drive 500 miles to get it and no one would sell me one, nor order one because no dealers could get stock. I ended up calling a VW dealer in Atlanta, and they agreed to sell it to me at MSRP since I was driving so far to get it and because it was last years model. But man I called dealers all the way around me up to 500 miles away and no one would even try to speak to me about a sale out of state. They had a guaranteed sale and they flat out refused. Autotrader was my best friend. For you folks out there trying to buy a car right now. Use auto trader, it works at getting to the information you’ll need to talk these dealers down. It’s rough out there right now in the car market
Glad you got her dude.
No doubt it rough out there. Persistence helps. Glad you found your ride!
Nice CTR , Reminds me of my 2018 Cbp Type R . Congrats !!
Honda lovers are supposed to ban together and not buy the type race at such a huge mark up so the dealers drop the huge mark up the dealers are killing the numbers sold which could in turn kill a car
I disagree. Every buyer, every dealership, every scenario and every region are going to be different. The demand shows that enthusiasts want these cars and makes it more likely that Honda continue to build these cars.
Lol $65-70k Civic
I literally don’t know anyone who paid that much. Maybe someone did but I don’t know them lol
@@GridZilla I just don’t see paying anything over $5k MSRP at most
@@meyerracer so let me ask you a question… if the MSRP on the 2024 model year got bumped to $49k are you still ok with paying $5k over MSRP?
People are so hell bent on paying “MSRP” when that’s a number that the manufacturer can increase just as it has for so many brands in the last year or so. People buy Teslas in droves and yell from the top of the mountain that they paid MSRP. Meanwhile that “MSRP” has increased by several thousand of dollars in a 6 month period for the same car.
That’s still a markup just built into your new MSRP number.
@@GridZilla No I would not be ok with that either
@@meyerracer my only point is MSRP, over MSRP it doesn’t really matter. Buy it at a price that’s comfortable for you.
Great video as always. Thank for your honesty and integrity.
Thanks bro 🙏🏽
Can’t decide what color looks best on the new CTR. I like the optional forged wheels as well.
Love the optional forged wheels! I think the only color I don’t really care for is the Boost Blue even that looks good with some wheels.
Volume knob 😂 2019
Lol
how much you pay for this civic?
Under $60k
@@GridZilla YOU THINK 54K IS A GOOD DEAL?
@@dopeloyal right now? Yes
What’s is the mark up on these, seen some ppl pay 70-80k Wdf
I don’t know anyone that has paid that lol but maybe someone out there has. Country wide I’d say your looking at $10k and up.
CA I’ve heard anywhere from $10k to $30k
Congrats on the R! People shouldn't freak out too much about these cars being bought by strangers with a $20-30K markup. The dealerships are the ONLY people benefiting from this and there will always be someone willing to pay crazy prices so it won't change. The R won't hold its value at this level. Especially as production increases and other options hit the market (i.e Type S). For those that want one and either don't have a ton of loose change floating around or don't want to take out a bonkers loan at high rates and an impending depreciation cliff, just be patient. Until then, enjoy the content!
Or just realize you can negotiate. Most people don’t like the feeling of conflict so things like bartering don’t come natural
@@GridZilla timid people do exist, but it’s highly unlikely that someone who is unwilling or unable to pay a $20k+ markup is actually paying a large sum solely because they don’t want to negotiate. They made the decision to purchase at the higher price before calling/visiting because even if they were scared to negotiate there is always the option to walk away.
@@beyondcleon there is always that option
All of that red interior would make me want to change my shoes before getting in, each and every time.
You’re not lying! I love the red carpet but maaaaaaan is going to be tough to keep clean
The two cars have too much overlap in intended use. The only logical reason to buy the FL is for the hype and content.
Or maybe because I need a 4 door, love Honda and didn’t want to drive something boring. Not to mention in a full track build the Supra has a higher ceiling so not much “overlap” at all
No way getting. Fl5 for 60k or for 80k more like grampa sedan just a regular traffic car.😂
Love my grandpa mobile! Lol 🤪
It's so weird that a civic is 60k lol.
Yes it is a bit weird.
Especially when last years type R, the median price range buyers were paying out the door was 40-45k. No way is a Civic, even type R worth 60k+.
@@jed23ify it's definitely not. But people are willing to pay that.
how much you actually pay for this? if it is true its 15 to 20 more msrp I cannot believe some people really pay that kind of money for a civic.
🤷🏽♂️ I’ve personally witnessed people paying $100k over on some cars. Even $300k over MSRP and other cars I’ve seen thousand below invoice. It’s purely a function of supply and demand.
Subscribed! Uff that FL5 is gorgeous...cant wait for the upcoming content!
Thank you!
I did the exact trip you made in the opposite direction. I bought mine In norther Cali drove it back to So-cal
Nice! Congrats brother!
Hell yeah brother! Glad to have you back with the Type R community. One of the few content creators that I stumbled upon that helped me make the decision to purchase a FK8 last year. Can’t wait to see what you got in store with the FL5. Much love from Hawaii bro 🤙🏽
Thank you! 🙏🏽
I’m buying local. I got a dealership 4 miles from my house. I hope I can get one from them and get the service there for the rest of its life.
Best way to do it if you can
Don't tell me you got this from Alhambra Honda!! They have the worst markups in Los Angeles!
They were the best deal in all of California…
How much was the mark up?
@@RayBan6 not a topic up for discussion
Was it less than 10?
Looks like they hooked another sucker 🤣 I'll never pay markup, ever. Screw these greedy dealers.
Hey, Big Congrats to you on your Brand New FL5 2023 Type R. I bought a car from Nevada years ago and drove back to California. I really enjoyed the drive. Me alone with my new car and the road. Bliss .... 👍
Truth!
Subscribed back to your channel for the new type r. Congrats!!!🎉
Welcome back!
Idc if it’s cheesy. They need to put the type r stickers on the side of the car lol. Congrats though!!!
Nah I don’t think it’s cheesy. Just getting the size and placement right is tough
I currently have an fk8 I'm trying to talk my wife into trading her 4runner for the fl5 🤣🤣
Atta boy! lol
These American dealerships are so greedy… markups are illegal in Canada and some other countries.
Wish it was that way here but I play the cards I’m dealt