Problem With Loki Show & The MCU Now
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Sorry for 2 Problem Withs this weekend, we had two shows drop! Spider-Man going evil drops tomorrow!
Are you gonna post anything on Dungeons and Ale, its been almost 2 months Benny, I love comicstorian but I really need some Dungeons and Ale.
You should do a problem with bring a comicstorian and talk about the problem with trying to keep up with comics and the retcons and all the issues with comics as a whole
Was this the The Problem With "Fall of X" extended cut? Where we jump to the opposite problem? Where unlike in the Comics, Marvel avoids "NAMED EVENT BOOKS" containing the main story with no required extra reading... the MCU is giving us Loki. Loki literally appears to be serving as the NAMED EVENT SHOW/MOVIE for all of Phase 4 and 5. To the point where watching Loki might cover the majority of non-MCU fans catch-up required to get them to Kang Wars.
Since Marvel has been fighting tooth and nail for like a decade to give comic fans NAMED EVENT BOOKS so extra reading is NOT REQUIRED, even casual MCU audience (such as your gf Benny) are having issues understanding Loki is the ONLY required viewing.
I feel like your description of "Kang" in this video was a bit weird (or cut together weird.) Kang is far easier to describe since its more of a title than a person. The title of Kang is super easy for any Rick and Morty to get. He Who Remains is what Rick would had been like if another Rick never crossed into his dimension. (Brillant but nothing more.) Like Rick, He Who Remains encounters other selves, is destined to create the Council of Ricks/Kangs. The main difference is while Rick is content KNOWING how much smarter he is... a Kang is more arrogant and when the Council of Kangs form... they will fight to prove whose best. With the only metric being, who can become the Leader of all of the Multiverse.
Like you said Benny, this is more of an MCU problem than a Loki problem.
I agree I find nothing wrong with him
the problem with loki is that the "tva" is a news channel here in quebec and i cannot stop thinking about it while watching
DUDE ever think loki was working behind the scenes at your news channel? lol
Great video as usual Benny,
I think Moon Knight is good example of a show that can be watched without any pre-requisites. To my recollection, there wasn’t any story beats that depended on the viewer having seen another MCU title prior to watching it. To me this is how the Marvel shows should be done and keep the movies separated to a certain extent. Make your references,Easter eggs, and callouts in movies but have the shows be able to stand on their own.
It’s a little late for that now, but I believe that’s a reason why Moon Knight was received so well.
I agree. Moon Knight is one of my favorite Marvel Disney Plus shows and I would actually love for him to come back
As soon as we touched the word multiverse I got worried. The thing about a universe with so many characters already is when you start talking about alternate timelines you have to keep it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY simple because it becomes sooo easy to confuse an audience. Once people who died can be seen again, once you can undo huge events in previous films, once there are alternate characters, everything can go off the rails. Welcome to chaos.
Same the only thing that didn't worry me was the Spiderverse
I've lost interest in the MCU partly because of the multiverse crap. It's chaotic, yeah. I don't want to do homework. It's not that I can't follow it. I can follow complicated things. I'm not unintelligent or unable to grasp complex ideas. I just don't care enough to put in the effort. It's confusing to me because I just don't watch everything and don't care to. I don't want to put effort into watching movies. I just want to be entertained and if the movie has complex themes or narrative, that's fine. It's one movie. That's fine. But 20-some movies and how ever many shows is unreasonable. And you have to do that to keep up, it seems. Because now anything can happen and I can't rely on anything I HAVE seen. I just wish this thing would die and we can get some different superhero movies. Superhero movies that don't require homework. Superhero movies that are actually interesting. The MCU hasn't been interesting for a while now. The MCU needs to die. It's over. It needs to die
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I believe they said Loki was 400 years in the past, also I think the Multiverse was always their just locked off from the MCU. I think what He Who Remains DID, when he was trying to destroy the Multiverse he found he actually couldn't. He merely branched the timelines off and locked them away from the MCU to avoid the Kang problem. Why I suspect this, Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man Timelines were still going on in "real time" those Spider-men had aged. If the Timelines were all erased, they would have been in the place were all pruned things go like the Thanos Copter and Frog Thor.
I honestly feel the overall quality has gone down as well. Which when it was starting early on with stuff like Ironman 3? People were willing to shrug off some hiccups but now later on? People know what they can do and how much money they have. So more is expected.
The interconnected nature of it all isn't a boon anymore either. As before it was smaller nods and larger stuff. Now it is so massive you kinda gotta see other stuff to get it. There isn't any stand alone stuff anymore with a small nod.
The regular viewer isn't going to like that. Especially not when you combine the two. It makes it that much harder to dismiss the flaws. I believe superhero fatigue is real but only because the two above issues exist so much. We are in a lull period and all it will take for most people to jump ship? Is the next big thing to stick the landing and keep going.
I expected this to happen the minute they started adding more heros like Spidey and more and there was very little character development for these characters Spiderman homecoming and far from home plots are too similar too each other for Peter to have grown. They're so focused on making sure everything connects that they forgot what matters the characters and the story
@@theoutsiderjess1869 agreed, and no way home puts a spotlight on this problem. Holland's Spiderman sucks because they never bothered to build up his world. The other Spider-men had fun world's, and interesting villains.
I agree, it definitely started in Iron man 3.
People love these projects being connected that’s not the problem. The problem is the projects are garbage therefore gotta watch the garbage to catch up
Exactly, it seems everyone is missing that point. Just like “Super hero Fatigue” they’re blaming the easy thing instead of looking deeper. It’s the “bad writing fatigue.”
Not the worst problem to have. I'm just glad Huddleston is still having fun playing Loki 12 years later.
But he isnt really playing loki... this character looks and sounds like loki but acts like someone else entirely, it isnt loki
@@derangedcrouton1864 What are you talking about...it is just like Loki.
@@DorkJelly Loki got 2 minutes of screen time in end game and he killed it. Making fun of Captain America and rolling his eyes at Thor, he was haughty, funny, villainous, full of charisma and personality, and that scene directly led to the start of this show. That's supposed to be the same Loki we see here. tv show Loki is the most bland, boring character ever with none of that Macbeth flair of the first 2 Thor movies, or the fun devious charming little devil from Ragnarok, seriously they could have given this show to any other side character like Bucky or Falcon, even a human character for all Loki is only sometimes slightly above a human most of the runtime, and it would change nothing.
@@derangedcrouton1864finally someone said it
My main issue and why I completely lost interest in Loki and my bigger overall problem with marvel rn is that first season was not about Loki it was just a tool to introduce kang. On top of that they should’ve called the show female loki because she was really the main character. Marvel has an issue with shitting on their older characters to prop up the new characters it’s very frustrating the loki from avengers was able to handle and manipulate earth’s mightiest heroes it’s sad
The best solution is the same solution to this problem in modern comic books the one that they'll never, ever do: Make a timeline that lays out the main sequence of media needed to follow the main story and have stand alones be properly marketed as such, and every few months have a recap episode of the main story line upload for free on TH-cam or Twitter or whatever. Make it easy for people to follow the story and be able to jump on at any given time.
The reason why they'll never do it is because they only ever see business in the short term, and are relying on people to "want" to go see *EVERYTHING* because of FOMO.
They released a timeline book didn't they?
That cat is vibing
My issues with the Loki show are a lot different than yours. Loki is my favorite marvel character and I was so excited for him to get his own show and then they literally butchered his character. He literally did nothing and had no traits of his characters personality. It wasn't even a Loki show it was just a Sylvie show the first season... and then the second season was nothing at all. Like they built up the whole first series to have some big fight and all these super evil and impossible to defeat Kang's and then they did nothing with it at all. I think the whole multiverse thing was a bad idea over all. Like every movie/show keeps saying "OH WE FINALLY OPENED THE MULTIVERSE!!!" and then they do it again and again and again. I mean there's Loki, Wandavision, Multiverse of Madness, Antman, Spiderman, etc. Like how many times do we have to open the multiverse?
All these MCU shows make my head hurt. The fact that they’re exclusive to Disney+ makes my wallet hurt.
Lol, just pirate it 😂
Just watch with other sites. Easy
Loki, and WandaVision introduced the Multiverse to the MCU, Multiversal Maddness and No Way Home gave us a “proper” look at the Multiverse, and Quantumania introduced a Multiversal Villain. I agree with you Benny, it is an MCU problem, and at this point anyone new getting into the Marvel Movies will have to start all the way at the beginning with Ironman to have a full understanding of what is going on. It’s not like it’s the comics where you can pick up an Omnibus of some of the big events and get caught up enough so you know at least what direction, and what characters you want to follow. The MCU movies and Streaming Shows, you need to watch all or your lost within the Multiverse it’s self.
I’m watching the cat on the fluffy bed
Omg you mentioned the xbox commercial... do you remember what Thor's gamer tag was? It was soo good I used it as mine lol!
wait im genuinely curious, but wasnt moon knight considered to be stand alone? i thought the writers or producers confirmed it was set apart from the mcu. I know hes rumored to make an appearance in the big screen in the future but for now it was just his series. With that being said i just wanna say i absolutely love the content. keep it up! also have been enjoying a lot of the irl content would you ever be interested in filming a collection/room tour?
Surprisingly if I'm not mistaken, Moon Knight has the first Easter egg for Victor Von Doom. Also I think Moon Knight and Thor 4 (ew) set up what Gods and different dimensional planes are going to come into conflict with the incursions of Secret Wars.
@@solid4340 I like the "Ew" after Thor 4. Nice touch.
@@BrandonWhatTheF yep lmao and this is coming from someone who actually liked Eternals, Hawkeye, and some of She-Hulk. The God Butcher stuff could've wrapped the Thor series, tie into Secret Wars, and even could've connected to Spidey's black suit. My only hope is they pull a Red Skull and make Bale's Gorr the avatar for Eternity in Secret Wars or some shit, idk
@@solid4340I know the sword is connected to the symbiote, but they can't connect it to Spiderman without Sony's permission right?
@@jemmellpyron2527 yeah Sony/Disney is weird. Apparently She-Hulk wanted to use Spidey but they couldn't, but he has a finite amount of appearances. I think Tom will be in either F4 or Cap Brave New World before Avengers. But then the Freshman Year was supposed to be the MCU origin, now it isn't. I guess it's all contractual, like Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew has nothing to do with Spidey really but Sony has her movie rights. All weird lol
Very happy youre up front in the beginning of the vid.
good guy historian for the win!!
The answer is close the multiverse/time travel, they had their fun, it could’ve been cooler, but it removes stakes and makes everything confusing; close it down with secret wars and keep a consistent linear timeline
Sylvi killing HWR didn’t start the multiverse, it just made the secret timeline, join the multiverse already out there and add more branches to it. Remember HWR said “I isolated our timeline” meaning the multiverse is still there just the sacred timeline is not part of it. That’s why the other marvel movies can now be connected like the spiderman movies
And even bigger thing on the Guardians of the Galaxy front, if you didn't watch the 2022 Christmas special, then you don't know that Mantis is Quill's sister.
I just love that your cat is chilling in the background.
I know the feeling of this video. This was me when I explained "the multiverse" to my parents.
The MCU is starting to have the same problem comics did for me in the 90s and early 2000s. Way too much intersecting with eachother forcing you to view stuff you arent as interested in if you want to full picture. WB did it with their DC shows and it killed my enjoyment of the few I watched (Flash and Arrow). Having to jump into the middle of other shows/films constantly is frustrating and feels like homework. Crossovers are great, but they shouldnt be the main driving force of a singular character based show (or multiple of them).
Yeah the mcu right now just feels like a complete mess right now that I have lost complete track of what is going anymore at least in my opinion.
She-Hulk made me give up on the MCU as a whole. I really couldn't give a single Fuck about anything regarding it
Fun fact: I have seen every marvel movie but ms Marvel amd End Game. I thought I already knew everything about it till Gamora was alive in the new Gardian of the Galexy Movie..
Watch them, they're two of the best MCU projects
I honestly hate the fucking Loki series especially because of how over-hyped it is. And because Loki doesn't act like Loki at all in it and he isn't some little baby boy that can be "fixed" or "redeemed" because he's supposed to be traitorous and tricky and all that. I will admit the only good thing about it is the cast, that's it.
Yeah I'm literally someone that The only MCU show I've seen is Loki. I've watched no way home, multiverse of madness, and sheng chi. I just don't have the time to catch up with all that other b*******. I mean hell phase 4 literally has twice as many minutes in it than the first three phases combined. Honestly once they started bringing shows in the MCU became a big mess.
When the Apathy set in, that’s when these companies are truly in trouble.
I rather have a angry fan base because atleast they’re expressing how you can make them happy. But when ppl jus don’t give a fuck, you become forgotten.
Good take on this, they dont care, we're still talking about it lol
"Crud"😂😂
Also, yea more of benny and his life stuff. I enjoy that
You cannot say that the problem with Loki season 2 is that you have to watch season 1. Thats beyond dumb.
Also, you don't need to watch anything to understand Loki season 2 besides Loki season 1. You overcomplicated it when explaining it to your wife. Thats a YOU problem, not a Loki problem.
i like to think about it like this, kang created the ‘sacred timeline’ or the ‘mcu’ a closed timeline loop where he who remains is the only kang in existence, so kinda for reference rick and morty, rick created a closed time loop of only where ricks are the smartest, in turn when sylvie killed he who remains the loop was broken, just like in rick and morty when evil morty gets out of the closed time loop where rick is no longer the smartest being, in turn by killing he who remains the ‘mcu’ closed time loop was broken slowing the already outside existing universe to collide with the main one, for example like fox universe or sony universe characters etc, therefore allowing kangs to be released onto all the time lines, does that make sense ?
He was never fully utilised in the movies *or* the show which is *SUCH* a shame. I want him to be able to look *REALLY* badass again if and when he makes another appearance.
Everything is just “wait and see what’s coming next!” I’m so sick of that, just make the best damn show with what you have NOW. I don’t want to wait. Enough crap already Disney marvel
Yup
I've gave up on all their shows. It's drawn out and so dry
So your the type to give up ok
Let's hope James Gunn DC Universe will be good
@@ethanbrunt7755what would you want him to do? Keep watching the movies and shows even if he doesn't like it?
@@ethanbrunt7755you sound like a immature fanboy Lmao
And yet you'll still watch it, like everyone does when it comes to talking about Marvel lmaoo
called this years ago. how to solve it? same solution Marvel Comics too scared to do( truthfully only the comics need this. mcu can still be saved.) HARD REBOOT!
"You have to watch everything, even every comercial, otherwise you might miss oh so glorious lore such as the amazing info of 'noobmaster69' who was a 1-off throw-away joke 'character' who played fortnite with thor that 1 time"
Benny, please, there is an easy solution when you talk like this that becomes a bit embarrassing if you hadn't already considered the option. Allow me to introduce you to my favorite character in all of star wars. His name is glup shitto. This dude goes through such an amazing journey whose tale PERFECTLY explains how to deal with this kind of "issue". I HIGHLY recommend you look him up, who he is. I promise you, he's "worth" caring about.
I had to watch this video 2 times
because the first time i only focused on the cat in the background
Given the subject matter Kang dynasty SHOULD have a scene recapping each significant moment I regards to this saga. Like Kang watching each of his variants being defeated.
Then moving forward create stand alone movies with end credits that link together that people can watch later on TH-cam if they missed something.
The universe linking together has never been what made each movie good its just what made it interesting but it should be kept a small thing in each film
Yo does anybody know the background music in injustice 1-5 but in the year 2 part where yellow lantern Superman fights the green lantern guardians. I actually kinda like it and I am curious to know
i have a buddy who watched Guardians 2 without watching most of the MCU before it. He also watched Defenders before any of the other Netflix stuff.
Wasn't Sylvie in Broxton, Oklahoma where in the comics was also located New Asgard/Asgardia?
I agree. Remember at the beginning when they were rebuilding the MCU they started off with Ironman and that's the problem. Ironman was a solo movie by itself. The after credits was where they expanded the idea of the Avengers. That's why we gravitated to the Avengers movie waiting for all of the after credits to make a whole movie. Captain America was it's own movie. Thor was it's own movie. The same thing with the Guardians. Their first movies were their own movies. Nothing tied the movies together except the cameos and the end credits. Black Widow was Tony's bodyguard, Hawkeye was working with the scientist on Thor, etc. But after Civil War Marvel made everything into a tie in. After End game we wanted to find out how Wanda was doing and how Loki is going to come back to the universe, but everything else just seems like a after thought. Marvel is STILL trying to get rights to X-Men so the other stories just seems like filler until then. I would like for them to save the world building to the movies and make the series it's own thing.
On the scale of consistency, power levels once again are not taken into effect.
Loki's writing team nerfed him without any drama to balance it out. It's worst than what occured in Falcon and Winter Soldier because the plot surrounding Loki leaves him as an incompetent buffon.
He went from a glorious villian, successful in his endeavors before Thor dragged him out of Asgard, to this show's helpless favorite punching bag. If Loki was about returning back to that glory I would understand but I don't think it will happen.
Plus some people speculate Sylvie replaces Loki at the end. Even though I dislike fandom theories the fact they think Loki's legacy gets passed onto this new chacater really makes me question the state of the MCU
15:45 every comicbook reader who watched Avengers 1 in 2012 when came out know since that point that the MCU will turn out like the comics, was INEVITABLE
You said Kang. 9min 20sec.
Good Afternoon!
He who remains is timeline end kang he's tired and wanted to die he gave them 2 choices kill him and do nothing or take his place He who remains is the final kang and I think the tva was created and managed by multiple kangs
The solution is a MCU recap. Like a 2 or 3 minute vignette before the show or movie, letting you know what you missed. Like, previously in the mcu.
The fact that silvie exists at all and that variants are even possible means neither of those two options are true, accord to season 1 when a brand starts the TVA goes and eradicates the variant and the timeline with the bombs to prevent further things, but the fact there are different variants of loki of all types, male/female white/black human/animal means the multiverse already existed already what the TVA was doing was preventing any further universes from coming into existence by any further possibilities, cuz if that wasn’t all of those variants of loki would look like loki cuz its the character that’s doing something different, there would have never been a female loki at all if that wasn’t true to begin with, what they did was maintain a balance of having only certain timelines come into existence, quite probably purposefully stopping any of the bad kangs from ever coming into existence, cuz the multiverse is already something thats mentioned back in the first dr strange, so the concept wasn’t something that wasn’t already there beforehand
16:11 yes it is, they could reboot the MCU in Secret Wars to have a new continuity with the active Avengers, the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men, that's the only possible solution
13:50 Omg, right? I've been curious about the DCAU since the reboot but feel like I have to hear it from other people/sources about the movies coming out lol
11:21 ied have just said nothing thos is its own self contained story (for now) there is nothing else between season one and two.
Of course it is only a one way door, nothing effects loki season 1 and 2 but loki effects everything else.
I would probably say the Loki one is the more likely scenario due to the fact of how the TVA works and since we can't verify that the TVA didn't prune any multiverses that came from Spider-Man. But we know that they're MO and we're currently seeing what's happening in Loki until something changes in Loki that would suggest that the multiverse situation was stopped It is safe to assume until that point that the Loki situation is what caused the multiverse. Unless we're just going to make the assumption that the multiverse was created during Spider-Man and the TVA chose to do nothing about it. But if you think about it that way it kind of makes Spider-Man in no way home kind of suck. Because this would imply that since. Peter changed the outcome of these villains lives before sending them back. He essentially changed the timeline in those universes and if the TVA does what they do then those universes got pruned.
I wonder how things would have went if they made Thanos the main villain for Guardians, and planned other heroes to crossover via a space arc instead of combining it with Secret War. Such as how Hulk and Thor already crossovered in his movie, and then had Iron Man go on some space mission, probably introducing Nova and Ms Marvel early or at least hinting to them.
I hope this Gentleman doesn’t discover Doctor who, because oooooh damn does continuity go wild after 60 years of a show
Oh I know that one, I was a big Whovian until Peter Capalidi's run. Something about it didnt stick with me, then I completely fell off at Jodie
@@comicstorian Patrick Troughton FTW
Edit: Spelling
I don't think he who remains created the other kangs I imagine it create some but from what I got is the mcu timeline split off-made branches that connected to the rest of the multiverse than creating everything
Marvel is in a state where it’s for the fans, we shouldn’t worry about trying to explain it for casuals. Casuals will pick and choose what they like, and that’s good for them, but marvel fans shouldn’t be criticized for understanding a story they’ve kept up with 🤷🏾♂️
This doesn't seem like a loki problem. I can't think of anything from Spider-Man that involves Loki. And there's nothing in multiverse of madness that needs to be explained that Loki hasn't already done so like what the multiverse is? That was explained in season 1 So the concept of multiple versions of a person should be something she should already have an understanding of. So telling her that there is another version of "He who remains" named Kang shouldn't be something difficult to understand. Quantumania doesn't tell you anything about the original Kang or the version or versions that the new avengers are going to eventually fight? Now, if she's assuming that there's information between Loki season 1 and Loki season 2 then that is true, but that information is an important. Also, the explanation you told us you gave was very bad and could have been done a lot easier.
Everything's leading up to secret wars and we are seeing at least three to four different universes....
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian."
Wakanda Forever was basically a standalone movie. Had no ramifications on the overall Bigger MCu story whatsoever
Also rebooting wouldn't be to bad with cameos of old and new actors as cameos for instance like how dc does flash point or rebirth and etc
I didn't see the Thor movies and had no problem following the first Avengers movie. The trick is for the writer to tell you everything you need in the movie you're watching and if it sounds interesting you go back and watch one of the other movies, the same you used to do for the comics.
Here's my favorite example of how this can work. In an episode of the original He-Man & The Masters Of The Universe there's a character called Dark Dream. In an episode where he shows up they easily explain that he once attacked Eternia through their dreams but the heroes managed to trap him, later explaining how he escaped to attack again. Wait, did I say "an episode". I meant the ONLY episode he appears in. Yet everything you need to know to understand who Dark Dream is, why he's seeking revenge, and how he's back was right there. You didn't need to watch a previous episode, which considering there isn't one is a good thing.
So just do that. Pretend the other issue/movie didn't actually get made but the heroes did go through that adventure, tell the audience what they need to know, and let them find the previous story if they want but if they don't all you need to enjoy that one is still there. It's worked for decades.
Mcu needs to do their own version of all new all different marvel. A soft reboot of sorts where new stories begin and it’s very very easy to start reading there. As opposed to reading or watching years worth of homework like you said. Though I will say with comics I definitely enjoy doing the homework much more
Benny show your shoe game
My running theory for he who remains is he was originally a version of Kang that didn't want to conquer so he locked up the other universes and created the 616 timeline, and I believe it was the combination of Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, and syilve
That shoe joke got me weak in the beginning 🤣
I think infinity war and endgame can be enjoyed even if you don't watch the other movies because humans intuitively understand relationship dynamics. We meet spiderman on a school bus. so we know he's a kid. he has armor like iron man and it's obvious they have a mentor relationship and tony looks out for him. We don't need to watch the spider-man movies to understand the stakes when he's dusted.
Aye we gonna get the Shoestorian soon.
i think the problem is loki could be anybody. he dosent use any magic are his knifes
End game being the highest grossing MCU movie of all time does not mean that the people watching it had not also seen all of the other media. It just means that they did not watch the other must see media in the theaters.
I definitely agree with it being dumb u need to watch unrelated movies/shows to know the full story.
Benny is a sneaker head. That’s dope.
Well Benny, Does Eternal effects MCU?😂
Did Eternals really happen?
Don’t really like shoes but you make me want to start
I ENJOY LOKI I THINK SHOULD ADD A TEN MIN RECAP SIMPLIFY WHAT KEY POINTS U NEED TO KNOW GOING IN THE MOVIE
I loved the 1st episode and those shoes are kind of dope
So true!!!
This plot sounds like the old 90's show sliders.
I'm done dudes gotta problem with everything now smh
I love Loki, its the best of the series and lives up to the hope of you have with a tv show vs a movie, that you will get to spend more times with the characters having an even grander adventure. The biggest problem I have is a massive plot hole from season 1. No consequences after Sylvie bombed the timeline!!!! WTF!!!! they go on a train adventure (great ep btw) and we never hear about it again!
Wdym bro the timeline is in shambles
Yoooo I miss the old pumps 😂😂😂 lowkey want those one day
I love shoes i would call myself a sneakerhead but im not selling shit
Loki wasn’t about ‘Loki’ as much as it is about Kang.
Yes but isn't the connectivity of the shows and movies what people missed from early mcu. Like didn't people fall in love with phase 2 and beyond cuz of the connectivity between movies
pretty much yeah, i feel the opposite of this guy, i think the modern mcu is quite limited in connection, no way home, secret wars, eternals, wukanda forever, guardians 3, she hulk, hawkeye, moon knight and shang chi all feel disconnected to eachother, sure in the past stuff like gurdians vol 1 felt disconnected but that was one movie, you watch phase 1 through 3 and you see a through line, i know that there are small connections in phase 4 and 5 but there feels like there is too many branching off storylines for them all to connect to kang and the multiverse,
spiderman dealing with no one knowing who he is,
whatever is going on with hawkeye,
the thunderbolts forming,
whatever star lord is doing,
arishm kidnapping three eternals,
the baby celestial poking it's head out of the water,
thor being a dad on another planet,
the younger stars like iron heart showing up,
what is rhodey doing? is he a skrull?
you compare the five movies of phase one, they built up to the avengers forming and loki invading earth, we have had over double the ammount of movies and shows in a shorter period of time and we have a less clear end goal, i guess the kangs are going to do multiverse stuff but what does that have to do with anything i listed above?
Loki doesn’t belong in the TVA. He belongs in a Norse setting!
Benny, you and Sal gonna review this season on Absolutely Marvel and DC?
Yes
@@comicstorian YESSSSSSS!!
I'm not watching but I do think this was an obvious problem coming for a while that could have been solved if after endgame they used the TV shows to set up kang and cameos with him and one of the main heroes as clip bate while having the movies focus on the heroes fighting who ever to widen the universe at a pace
I got a female cat exactly like yours Ben. Her name is Lilly
There’s no way I got a McDonalds ad as soon as he talked abt their product placement
Also personally I don't like it but that's kinda comics until they have a reset moment like how comics have an event to end a comic book run personally wish marvel would do restart movies or shows that end let the universes reset or maybe go the route of the multiverse so some things are connected but not everything like the animated starwars series
Loki is horrible, why is he a hero
Okay we need a whole episode series on what's the problem with the MCU as a whole.
Dont have all tue time?
Can always google, what i do when i need to remind myself.
Meanwhile, i did enjoy Loki along with Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, What If...? and Ms Marvel as shows go.
Middle for me with WandaVision and She-Hulk.
And well, sure theres too many Marvel, i aint gonna argue with that but at the point, im mostly npt caring on what others think and stay on my neutral ground.
Its like with books as well when ya gotta read the series from the very start in order to catch up on the current project.
Again, the solution, just google if ya dont got all yhe time.
So the problem that MCU fans have is the same thing that Made the MCU the mega success it became. The fact that things connect was one of the MAJOR reasons people loved the MCU in the first place. We had never seen anything like it. Its not a real problem because plenty youtube channels connects all the dots so you dont have to sit through hours of movies you may not enjoy. The problem is that MCU entertainment have become so trash that we dont give a 2nd thought to skipping something now.
Well Morbius and Venom were two stand alone marvel movies. Not mcu but still marvel with out any prior movies knowledge responsibilities required