It was known before officially announced, they did a "Matrix" movie style screen shot with the main character's i.d. card. Instead of saying Sept. 11th 2001 like the 1999 Matrix movie, Loki's i.d. said "fluid" in the sexual category. "Fluid" is a well known term for bisexual.
Loki is a God, and can change form at will. That alone kinda removes him from labels like bisexual, even pansexual doesn't cover it. There's lots of stories about gods even changing into various creatures and having sex with them, not just people. it's a common theme in most ancient religions.
I was about to say that until I read your comment, his children are a giant wolf and giant serpent. Loki's a shape shifter, he's a male who can change into a woman and anything he wants. Maybe it's just the most simple label because kids watch it?
@@J-L79 From my understanding in the show itself they never mention his sexuality, all he does is say that he has romanced men and women. The bisexual label is only coming from media platforms talking about the show, it's just fans of the show trying to make sense of it. So marvel hasn't really done anything it's just people talking about it.
@@J-L79 I haven't seen it either but apparently the scene goes something like this. Someone asks loki about his romance life, whether he's been with many princesses or perhaps princes. And he responds "a bit of both". And that's it
That aint no lie! I really liked Stargate until they went down that Ori road. Straight up demonic that crap was! Of course the jaffa and egyptian god stuff wasnt much better but it didnt hit my spirit near as bad.
If they want to ruin any characters they should start by making their own. All mythologies should be preserved not defiled. For once o don’t have it out for china in this case.
Might want to go read more on how much of a freak Loki really was. He transformed into a female horse, mated with a male horse, and birthed Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged stead. When Thor lost his hammer to the giant, Loki dressed them up as women to fool the giants, but only Loki was described as feminine, while Thor was still described as masculine in the disguises.
Bjorn is a perfect example of manliness that contradicts the twisted "toxic" masculinity theory. He's confident and unwavering in his beliefs; and his loving kindness he displays for his dog reveals he is a strong person. A weak man is afraid to display love or compassion. And I highly suspect that he is not a tyrant or bully in his household... but a leader, provider, and protector.
in every video, you dont see an angry man raving about injustice, as there are so many on youtube, what i see are eye's with a deep wisdom and calm. In his eyes i see a kind man who is sad with the current state of the world, it makes for a unique experience to watch.
You are so right !f you think about certain movies as allegories, look at Monsters Inc. The little girls laughter turned out to be the most powerful energy there was.
I just use the whole "it's cause I'm black" when they start up. I am part black, my great grandmother was a free woman of color in New Orleans 100+ years ago. Bought her freedom. Married a doctor, they helped build the first black Catholic church in the USA, sent several AA to medical school in the US. They also helped start the first all black clinic in the US. Her nephew was Kid Ory, the first black musician on the radio in the 1890s. He found Louis Armstrong when he was 16 yo.
@@anointingofseer2596 well with the current Dear Leader of the Left being known for his audacious attacks on Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss while giving real world dictators a pass and assistance, you really have to wonder. The incoherent insanity of the Left has no limit to it's evil intent.
@@anointingofseer2596 not kidding.. they have trademarked "Loki" and THEIR INTERPRETATION of his likeness and they are suing people.. have done the same for years with other characters... successfully.. so long as your artwork clearly has no relation to their artwork then you are fine...
I stopped paying attention to the Marvel and DC disrespectful interpretations of the Norse and Greek pantheons (respectively) a long time ago. I wouldn't say it was all for naught, however ... their disregard for tradition inspired me to seek out the truth. Ironic, really.
@The Bearded Dragon..and what about their black facing of Heimdell, the Whitest of the Whites.. Is that just creative license too ? Just because we don't stamp our feet and cry like others, does not give the jew in Hollywood the right to disrespect other peoples faith, nor would it be accepted by the "woke" 🤷♂️
@@melgibsonaftertwobeers6119..Havamal Stanza 127 Profit thou hast if thou hearest, Great thy gain if thou learnest: If evil thou knowest, as evil proclaim it, And make no friendship with foes.
Marvel: we made Loki bisexual Us: so you think the LGBT folks are agents of chaos destined to bring about the end of the world, huh...that doesn't sound so woke to me.
Like when Chris Evans accused what he saw as homophobes as being closeted gay. That was his insult and that's in spite of having a gay brother. He saw being gay as the way to insult them. What a tool.
Marvel hasn't had a single creative idea in years. There's a reason they're getting trashed and demolished in sales from manga and anime, and it's because the first "new" idea they've had is woking the universe, sure lets make loki lgbtq, lets take away Falcon, the first black superhero that didn't have "black" in his name and make him black cap instead, because that isn't regressive at all. Lets add in trailblazer, snowflake, safespace and "B-Negative" the first woke superhero lineup, yaaay! They're idiots and no one likes it and the declining sales are our fault for being bigots, even though the people they're pandering too hate them too. They have no imagination, no story to tell, just "be more woke you filthy peasants. Theyve even started striking videos for the word loki being on their person, nevermind the fact that loki existed well before disney/marvel.
@@RayoSombrio78 the worst part is its not due to lack of decent actors, there are a lot who are absolutely phenomenal, but that means Jack shit when everything coming out is recycled garbage from people who can't understand creativity
@@HmmWelp It's because they don't care about good stories anymore. All movies are done in the same boring and politically correct way. That's the reason manga and anime are sweeping the floor with comics and Hollyweird.
@@RayoSombrio78 honestly they can cry all they want about how we're bigots because we won't watch their shit and their numbers are crumbling. Every time I saw "Emma's record low views" it brought me nothing but joy. I hope this trash perishes and embrace anime for their hatred of western posturing.
Loki is a shapeshifter and therefore shifts and pretends to be whatever he needs to be to suit his needs at the moment. No wonder why the leftists love the character so much. They're moral shapeshifters.
@@tylergibson5470 yea, and as far as I know, he is referred to as: "he", "son", "brother", etc, throughout Norse mythology from his birth. As Bjorn said, if they want to make their version of the character gender fluid or whatever... Fine, but they can't rightfully say it's supported by Norse mythology.
@@charlieberry7562 sure, I can agree with that if it's their own "alien god" sort of take on it. And I suppose the mythology itself would change over time through word of mouth; eventually the myth could include Loki being some sort of gender fluid guy (especially if it changed in the 21st century). But it hasn't changed to include that stuff so I believe, in the least, the distinction has to be made (as you've done) that Marvel Loki is sort of their own IP, different from the actual mythology it stemmed from. Being their own version, Marvel changing their Loki to be gender fluid doesn't change the original mythological character. And if that's the case, it doesn't matter much to me what they do with their character. Creative development is certainly welcome in general. My comment is in response to persons who would (and do) say shifting shape between male and female means you have no actual gender and therefore are gender fluid. And to those who would say they are actually the same character. If Marvel expresses creative development with their Loki, I don't see it as ruining mythology because I see it as just that, their seperate character. I think maybe Bjorn's (and mine for the most part) opinion is that over time, all people will know of Loki is Marvel's version and think the Norse created that version originally. There are certain aspects of the myths I'm sure old Norse people would want people for all time to know like, (their) Loki is a "male" shapeshifter.
Why would he be dissapointed? He rode on his nephew Sleipnir, born by his Trans Horse brother/sister/beast Loki who shape shifted like Bruce Jenner into a female horse to get pregnant by a Stallion! Norse mythology is full of that stuff
@@professorronin9648 To be fair bud, they did it in a respectful way to the character. I would have liked to see him go down to Fenris but I liked how they saw him out with respect to Hopkins' age. But the latest episode of Loki straight up insulted Odin as the word and the way and it disappointed me as Marvel so regularly does now.
@@professorronin9648 Thank you mate. I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok, there was the odd moment of virtue signalling sadly but nothing on the scale of recent Marvel. They've absolutely hunkered down on non stop waves of incessant virtue signalling. Thor Ragnarok was a drop in the bucket compared to how they are now in my opinion, a Marvel movie from a simpler time, even though it was only four years ago.
They are upset in the UK and calling it racist that black Anne Boleyn flopped, however its actually just that its channel 5 and there have been a lot of Anne Boleyn dramas in the last 10 years, probably about 10 and a couple, wolf hall and the tudors were actually really good. The same will no doubt happen with this. So much Loki over the last 10 years and I doubt people will be interested in them making it LGBT either because I personally have never cared or thought about the sexuality of Thor or any Gods!
@@zoerose4110 : I happen to be directly related to Anne Boleyn via her mother's side of her lineage, the Howards. I can assure you, as much as I'm angered and disgusted my the forthcoming corruption of the character attributes of Loki, the divisive distortion of my own personal family tree utterly infuriates me. Anne is not a figment of imagination or mythological imagery, and she certainly wasn't black.
@@cuhurun I am also related which is why I replied but I didn't add it, Margaret Boleyn Anne grandmother is my 12x grandmother. Its so funny they keep trying to say anne was French not English etc. So funny to meet another relative on here I guess we are all over the world. I'm afraid I just thought it was silly and it looked silly, she looked as though they blacked her up and no one bought it so I didn't bother getting furious. Just another woke silly game where they can say you're racist if you didn't bother to watch the inferior portrayal compared to recent years. As a side note I love seeing Anne's embroidery and belongings on the talking tudors website if you're interested. I love seeing things that are tangible and the descriptions of her decor in the Palace. Beautiful. Best wishes xx
What on earth? Anne Boleyn was NOT black! Are you one of those black history revisionists who think everyone from the Stuart monarchs, to Shakespeare, to Abe Lincoln, to Cleopatra were really black and there's some big conspiracy to hide it? Really?
Something like Loki has no equivalents in the real world. A mutilated man can't restore his man parts once they're gone. Zeus and numerous Greek gods were shapeshifters themselves, does that make them LGBTQ icons too?
@@iamacat9400 - You obviously haven't read the ancient myths, FFS. Or if you have, you haven't read them with any sense of their subtlety. Loki is a highly complex figure. As Bjorn says, he's the agent of chaos, trickery, subversion, and mockery. Sometimes he appears heroic, but more often he's represented as the butt of derision in Norse mythology. Like most adherents of the new 'woke' religion, however, you prefer to anachronistically project your OWN simplistic obsessions onto ancient myth rather than trying to understand them on their own terms.
@@wiseonwords bruv whatever you can't change anything and its not like loki is going around and making big deal of his sexuality loki is a great character and he is not "ruined" just cause he likes men too.
@@wiseonwords you said a whole lot but didn't really say anything at the same time. In mythology Loki had relations with men and women. You can get pedantic and say he is a shapeshifter so bisexuality doesn't apply, but by the end of the day he's still sleeping with men
Oh my god Marvel... Mentioning 1 charater based on a mythical character that has sex with guys is bisexual in one line of a disney plus series... NEXT UP WE HAVE THE MARVEL MOVIE ALL ABOUT GAY SEX AND EVERERYONE IS GAY! Thats how you all sound right now.
Uh.... this is actually peanuts compared to the shit the gods got to. Sleipnir. It still is a stupid decision if the only reason was to appeal to twitter.
Your voice, the sound of the fire, and the content of your speech is so soothing. Thank you Also, "I could be offended,but I won't. Because I'm a grown man." Is a statement so underated. This should become a lot more common as a stand
As a Christian, liberals have been remaking Jesus more into their image and not trying to transform themselves into his. When there is no truth, you get to make up your own. Thanks Bjorne
I was once at an old Viking cemetery which made a big impression on me, mainly because of the mystical atmosphere that seemed to surround the place. Very special! This experience and my interest in the culture as a whole contributed to my fondness for Scandinavian history (Norwegian in particular). From viking ships to totem poles, burial mounds to embroideries it's all there and that's what makes it so special in my eyes. Thank you for standing up for your culture and thank you for clarifying about Loki, I don't think many people knew this!
It is, which shows the hypocrisy of it all. They favor one religion over another, so it's not surprising at all, Christians have dealt with it for quite some time now (but a majority have conformed to the world, so many accept this ideology). Asians have recently entered the equation more so, but my guess is when it comes to beliefs...they don't care. They water them down and since majority of people don't practice or have good knowledge of their culture or beliefs there from, they accept it.
I’d be interested to hear how ragnarok is not really the end of the world. Sounds like it might have similarities with the Christian concept of apocalypse.
@@ivan55599 I understand what he said, I was being genuine. The Christian concept of apocalypse is similar. Not the end of the world, but rather a marriage between the earth and heaven. Everyone who lived a virtuous life receives glorified bodies and lives in this perfected world
@@simonegeezer6238 technically it means to uncover. And while I’m using the term it’s not necessarily the proper terminology for the Christian concept. If I’m not mistaken it would typically be referred to as Revelation after the book in the Bible or as the Second Coming. I also find it very unlikely that it was influenced by Norse culture as it’s not a holiday but events described in the Bible itself. That’s not to say that Holidays haven’t been adopted by the Catholic Church in order to make the transition for those converting to it easier, I’m perfectly comfortable admitting that. I just don’t think this is an example of that. I believe this is more along the concept that all religions approximate one true religion to greater or lesser degrees, and that’s why you can see parallels in religions from vastly different cultures.
@@evanf1443 no, not "_everyone_ who lived a virtuous life". Having lived "virtuous life" is not the ticket to heaven; but that is a popular belief and a common misconception, even among those who "identify" as Christians.
In the tv show there was not the word bisexual, there was just said that he had princess and princes in his life. Not a full categorization. Also, what about the many stories where loki goes to midgard as a woman and have children with men? Odhin also was a complicated figure by doing seidr magic, a woman thing. They argue about it in the tale of the insults in the dinner. Loki being neither man nor woman is actually very in alignment with the sources. He can shapeshift into whatever he wants, a woman included, and he do it a lot. Very chaotic by the way.
how did they botch The Witcher? Dont get me wrong they didnt follow the story exact and they could have done a better job on some parts but they stuck closer to the story im reading than most adeptations do.
@@Raurie4 I think he just wanted accuracy, plus the insertion of different races in kingdoms there shouldn't have been. That created a world/lore issues for no reason. It did do far better than most, but they messed a fair bit up just to have certain characters in the story early.
@@Raurie4 can't speak for the story but race swapping characters know for their skin/hair/eye color tells me the showrunners don't care about accuracy.
The movies and comics portray him as a cheek buster, is unsettling to me and I used to be into Norse mythology since my moms side is from Norway and my father from Mexico.
This is madness: to simplify what is deep and complicate like every religion is, and on the other side to complicate what is simple and clear (male Is male, female is female, whatever consentient adults are doing in their bedroom is absolutely not interesting for me). I'm not very religious but I respect others beliefs. Thank you Bjorn 👍
You just nailed the whole thing that is happening nowadays. I think that they just want to destroy the current society with it's current principles and beliefs and create another one in it's place with different set of principles and beliefs.
Might want to go read more on how much of a freak Loki really was. He transformed into a female horse, mated with a male horse, and birthed Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged stead. When Thor lost his hammer to the giant, Loki dressed them up as women to fool the giants, but only Loki was described as feminine, while Thor was still described as masculine in the disguises.
@@SkyRied1 I received this post from a catholic priest. I'd like to know your opinion about it: "They want priests to be married, and married people to divorce. They want not binding relationships for heterosexuals, but gay people must have a church wedding. They want women to assume masculine roles, and men to become as "fragile" as some fictional women. A 5-6 years old child has the right to decide if he will be man or woman for all his life, but a younger than 18 child is not considered responible for his crimes. There's no room in hospitals for patients, but who wants change sex Is incentivized and sponsored. There's a free psychological support for who wants come out from heterosexuality, but there isn't for who wants come out from omosexuality, and if somebody try to do this, it's considered a crime. To be in favour of family and religion is dictatorship, but pissing on the crucifix is freedom of expression...
I was never a fan of the Marvel versions of the gods, it is a dumb down arcade version of what the real stories were. The are taking that comic version of these names and adding a layer of propaganda to what was already crap. The Nazis did the same thing....
that's a silly thing to think. like no remnants of a single culture is universally loved, respected and cherished all over. like there's plenty of from scandinavia even who could give less crap about it. which is fine i suppose. world is full of rich cultures. you can pick what you're interested in. it's also dumb to overly romanticize history. i notice some channels especially do that with norse. like if you go back in time people weren't exactly ''oh wow vikings are coming how awesome they're my favorite culture to be looted and pillaged by! ''
@@Talvekuningas I have been to a viking festival and it was warm and welcoming. They were intelligent and ahead of their time. But oddly enough, Persisian history has been erased by Radicals. So, it's a shame. It really is -- hard to admit --- the Radicals have won. It's hard to admit that the opinions were plundering villages when the first Kings of England were vikings. So ---- I think history should be taught better!!!
@@ms.miller7311 first kings of england were not vikings. where are you getting your information from ? æthelstan, grandson of alfred the great was the first. i believe? he was in no shape or form a viking.
I love hearing you talk about the gods so much- would really love to hear more of it!! Loki is the god I connect most with and so hearing your take on how Marvel tackles that character was really interesting. Great video :))
The marvel characters are completely removed from established mythology. They share the same names, but they have absolutely nothing to do with the Gods of old. Their characters can be whatever they want, but their stories will never be part of the stories of old.
I think thats what people dont get. They don't look at marvel's characters for what they are and instead compare them to their mythological counterparts when they are part of a completely different story.
@@charlieberry7562 I think the problem people are having is that people are saying that Loki was bisexual in the mythos as well even though as the guy in the video said he isn't.
@@gristlyknave831 do we ever have enough information to say either ? but i agree this is marvel universe. it's based on mythology, but shouldn't be taken up as The mythology.
@@charlieberry7562 From what I understand about the character Loki would do anything to mess with people to cause chaos/mess around with. I don’t think he cared how he went about it and I’m not really sure he really cares about anyone or even his wife sense he has so many affairs though a lot of gods in old mythologies tend to do that. But I don’t study Norse mythology I just read about it every now and then when I suddenly have an interest in it for a short time or someone talks about it. This is just my understanding of Loki I don’t believe he is Bisexual as all he cares about is causing chaos and mischief in whatever way possible. I’m also not sure if bisexuality was something that was excepted at the time Norse mythology was created.
@@charlieberry7562 Not really, this was an idea in Ultimate Marvel, wich was a non canon story. They are considered Gods in the 616 (name of the main Marvel Universe) at least in the runs I've read, wich are mostly 1970s and 1980s, they are called Gods, but never Aliens.
I’d love more of your commentary on Norse mythology and helping people better understand it. It’s good to have an actual Norse man debunk nonsense coming from America.
Loki in the myths is a pan sexual gender fluid species changer who has given birth to, among other things, and eight legged horse and a giant snake. Him being bi in the films is TAME by comparison if anything.
The irony is within their own movies Loki tried to commit mass genocide on his own race and enslave the human race. Seems like appropriate alphabet people representation.
If there is one thing I can sense about you Bjorn, is the essence of Odin that lives within your spirit. I can not only see it. But I can feel it in your voice. It is something those of us who have studied under Norse teachings for decades to understand will see it with our hearts.
@C D Christianity has shed more blood and spread more unhappiness in it’s 2000 year history than war. It deserves to be ridiculed. What sort of establishment that claims to be morally sound covers up the exploitation of its own children at the hands of its priests? The people who continue to defend it are no better than the men who covered it up.
As far as Marvel Comics go, which is what the Marvel Studios claims to base itself upon, there Loki primarily was depicted as a straight dude who was into women-only and was also married to Sigyn and had affairs with other females and would surround himself with hot female servants whenever he'd sit in his evil castle planning his schemes. He was also a father to Slepnier, but it was never explained how exactly. So accounting for the PG-demographic of CBs in the 60s, I very much doubt he birthed Slepnier naturally, so it was most likely magic - he poured his blood on horses's hair and there was born a monstrous super horse or something. He was also masculine, barbaric in appearance and personality, and wasn't really a beautiful looking fella. So, a far cry from a cutesy bi fantasy all the fans of MCU Loki paint in their head when thinking of the character.
@@RayoSombrio78 How would you prefer they adapt the story to modern times? If you are telling of Loki in a modern setting it makes sense to call him gender fluid..or bi sexual. They may not have had these terms in Viking times but Vikings DID have words for same-sex activity and conceptually understood Loki as being able to shift to whatever he desired. From what we can tell Negative perception of homosexuality in Viking society was if you were shirking your duty to marriage/reproduction not the acts itself. The opposition to the acts where more likely introduced by Christianity. Honestly some people who are upset by this just seem like they are influenced by Christianity ideology and have anti same sex views.
@@kraewe2367 I completely agree. I just watch this video after watching the same topic by The Welsh Viking and the comment sections for these two videos are like black and white (white being TWV and black being this comment section due to all the hatred and intolerance). There seems to be a general annoyance in this group with the idea of change (in this case, the push of more tolerant, previously unacceptable views by the media) which does seem to have religious links in some cases and in others, lack of knowledge and societal insulation. All lack the ability to morally rationalise for these reasons.
Well they are right to have the marvel Loki after all you can't just copy someone's intellectual property but it's wrong of them to try to copyright the god Loki
My Goodness, I've followed your other channel and just ran across this one and saw the link. I must say I was quite surprised, Looking forward to this video.
They wouldn't dare say it about the Muslim prophet, nevermind their God. I think it's disgusting how they feel the need to disrespect European culture.
When anyone needs a dose of common sense and rational thinking. Or wants to learn of Scandinavian culture, heritage and teaching. This is the channel to go to. Many of us are grateful and thankful for your videos.
Loki isn't Bisexual, but in keeping with his reputation, I think he came up with all this woke shit and has been manipulating us. Maybe with some help from Ratatoskr.
In the mythology he only has intercourse on free will with women though. I wouldn't count "distracting the working horse , so that the wall won't be finished in time and so the contract will be not fulfilled" as something on free will.
I hope you continue to clarify the genuine history of the Norse mythos. We cannot lose these important perspectives. And as you know, with each passing generation, distortions will continue unless the traditions are preserved and authentically passed on. Thanks for your work. Lastly, I’m hopeful your books will be blessed with an English translation.
I'm not saying I believe in any gods, Judaeo-Christian, Norse, Hindu, Muslim, or otherwise. However, something deep inside me says, do not mess with other people's gods, do not defile or disrespect them, lest you awaken and draw down something really bad upon yourself.
I love that story about the origin of Sleipnír! (The one from the old stories, that is - not the movies) Also...I like the way you portrayed Loke in the Tyr trilogy. All the characters, really. Would actually love a spinoff book on what happened to Surt and his brethren. ᛞ
I don't like what many people seem to love doing to the culture and belief that runs in my blood. But I don't hate them for that. I know what I believe in and I have my own path to carve in life. Stay healthy and well everyone and never forget who you are over petty arguments and attitudes.
No. When he transformed into a mare and was impregnated it was a source of great shame for him and many jokes at his expense. It was a story meant to make children LAUGH around the campfire, but this is how far we've sunk with so much sugar and plastic in our diet.
@@quicheadvisor5507 I think we should include all gods equally when it comes to depicting them in a silly show or movie. We include my Christian god, Norse gods why not throw in a little Baal, Alla or Mohammed. No one is getting truly hurt until some fundamentalist goes crazy, and who’s to say he wasn’t already crazy, just looking for an excuse.
Too be fair, Loki is the mother of the eight-legged horse Sleipnir. Not the father, the mother. He turned himself into a mare and distracted the stallion Svaðilfari by letting him mount her and wound up pregnant. This is actually right in line with him/her historically.
Exactly! I’m no leftist or liberal. I generally dislike their woke politics but I mean they aren’t wrong here. He is a god of chaos and deceit...seems like he is right up their alley
I think it is funny how Disney and society in general will make fun of every God in existence except Allah. They are too afraid to make fun of the Muslim God because someone will act Violently.
Thank you for this information, growing up I loved the original Marvel comics and have attempted to live by the ideologies of Steve Rogers throughout my life, regardless of how easy it is for others to see this as superficial, it really means more to me than I can mention here or this would be a very long, and perhaps boring comment for many others. There are more and more fatherless homes within the modern world, and having heroes can assist a person's path in life greatly. Your culture has always interested me greatly, much respect Bjorn!
I don't care about Marvel and their "woke" agenda, nor do I care for LGBTQ politics. But Loki is complex and is certainly a hermaphroditic God, (or Giant depending on perspective.) He takes the form of a mare and allows the Stallion Svafilfari to mate with him. He doesn't magically create the foal, he lives as a mare for the full gestation of his offspring which when grown is given to Woden as the horse Sleipnir. 😆 Thunor engages in a little cross-dressing to regain his Hammer (Thor doesn't have hangups) but Loki's actions are quite different, actually becoming female and birthing offspring. And according to the Lokasenna, Odin and he became blood brothers. 🤔 Fascinating!
Also, I would point out that the most infamous shape shifter and trickster in our Northern stories is Odin. He is singleminded in his pursuit of knowledge and will let no law, no moral code or bond of friendship get in his way.
So I'm a "bi pagan", if I need to label myself for the understanding of others, I also follow an eclectic Celtic/Norse path as I am british and a mix of these cultures genetically (not that you have to be). I am not offended by anything said in this video, I agree that to massively simplify any mythological character, who is an embodiment of universal concepts into a modern human label is lazy, and massively misses an opportunity to show sexuality as a spectrum and the labels as human constructs. On the "cultural appropriation"; marvel is fine for some mindless entertainment but we really should not expect it to be an ambassador of viking culture, whereas supposedly historical shows like last kingdom or Vikings, do more to perpetuate sterotypes we know to be false, perhaps we should demand better accuracy from those shows, or stop expecting media to be the conveyors of our culture? Have seen the welsh Vikings video on this subject? I think he covers it quite well.
Considering he's turned into a female horse, let a male horse impregnate him, and then birthed the child, I'd say his mythological counterpart is more than bisexual. I don't get the issue people seem to have with this.
I think the big difference is that the alphabet activists look at this as a lifestyle, whereas in antiquity it was more of an action. Loki did not get his identity from his pants - his identity was much bigger than that.
And the younger generation will actually believe the Marvel interpretations instead of being like an educated historian and look up these ancient stories(prob not an accurate word). I read that LGBTQ wants to make St Joan of Arc a patron saint of the alphabet people. The story of this Saint's decisions is so opposite of what the left is portraying about her.
The golden age of Hollywood was in the 1930s and has come and gone. Hollywood has no new ideas, so they just keep cranking out computer generated comic book action hero movies. After going through all the comic book heroes, Spider-Man 15, Batman 50, they are now using Norse Gods and Heroes. And of course they add their wokeism lectures. I find those movies utter garbage, and value my time better. I would rather spend my time connecting with the natural world.
@@Vince111079 Shape-shifting doesn't imply what forms he's taking, rather he is taking ones not his own. There was also no such thing as gender, just male and female (sex) back then, so we can't keep comparing modern concepts to the past just as Bjorn said.
I agree with you Bjorn, it's a very strange feeling to see what the movies are doing to our beliefs, it is giving people the wrong idea of the norse gods. Another great topic, I like seeing you in your viking clothing!
I had a feeling that you might be a believer of the old Norse gods. It fascinates me that despite all that we see around us, this anti-religion movement, you were able not only to stay true to yours, but also chose such rare one. I'd like to hear the story behind it someday. What lead you to it, how does your everyday life looks like, that sort of thing.
Loki to you is a symbol of chaos so it fits perfectly with something he would do. Rebrand himself causing massive problems? The slim ball he can be at times it's easy to see him at the head of something like the woke scam. He often tires to weasel his way into and out of situations causing huge problems. It's a perfect fit for what he'd do.
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It was known before officially announced, they did a "Matrix" movie style screen shot with the main character's i.d. card. Instead of saying Sept. 11th 2001 like the 1999 Matrix movie, Loki's i.d. said "fluid" in the sexual category. "Fluid" is a well known term for bisexual.
Bjorn, Netflix has a series called Ragnorok. What are your thoughts on this? ...If you have seen it.
Hi Bjorn, what breed of dog do you have he looks really tall?
@@dreddykrugernew Greyhound, same breed as Homer Simpson's dog.
Loki is a God, and can change form at will. That alone kinda removes him from labels like bisexual, even pansexual doesn't cover it. There's lots of stories about gods even changing into various creatures and having sex with them, not just people. it's a common theme in most ancient religions.
He doesn't say he was bisexual in the show. Just says he has romanced men and women. That's accurate to the mythology.
What a about a God that is one who creates many of himself and has sex with them. If we are all one its kinda wrong har har
I was about to say that until I read your comment, his children are a giant wolf and giant serpent. Loki's a shape shifter, he's a male who can change into a woman and anything he wants.
Maybe it's just the most simple label because kids watch it?
@@J-L79 From my understanding in the show itself they never mention his sexuality, all he does is say that he has romanced men and women. The bisexual label is only coming from media platforms talking about the show, it's just fans of the show trying to make sense of it. So marvel hasn't really done anything it's just people talking about it.
@@J-L79 I haven't seen it either but apparently the scene goes something like this. Someone asks loki about his romance life, whether he's been with many princesses or perhaps princes. And he responds "a bit of both". And that's it
Stargate SG-1 did the whole "Gods are Aliens" shtick WAY better than Marvel.
Vastly superior show.
You are 90 opinion 10 percent substance
@@bryancooper5495 10% good .
That aint no lie! I really liked Stargate until they went down that Ori road. Straight up demonic that crap was! Of course the jaffa and egyptian god stuff wasnt much better but it didnt hit my spirit near as bad.
Yeah I miss Stargate😢
They can't make their own characters: they have to ruin ours.
If they want to ruin any characters they should start by making their own. All mythologies should be preserved not defiled. For once o don’t have it out for china in this case.
Might want to go read more on how much of a freak Loki really was. He transformed into a female horse, mated with a male horse, and birthed Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged stead. When Thor lost his hammer to the giant, Loki dressed them up as women to fool the giants, but only Loki was described as feminine, while Thor was still described as masculine in the disguises.
Kruel Wolf ya Norse mythology is far from kid friendly.
@@SomeKrieger all myths are really people who are commenting on this have obviously never read any lol
Literally all the Marvel characters outside of the Thor movies are their own characters.
Bjorn is a perfect example of manliness that contradicts the twisted "toxic" masculinity theory. He's confident and unwavering in his beliefs; and his loving kindness he displays for his dog reveals he is a strong person. A weak man is afraid to display love or compassion. And I highly suspect that he is not a tyrant or bully in his household... but a leader, provider, and protector.
He is also a perfect example of the stereo typical Scandinavian man(which isn’t a bad thing)
Well said!
Antidotal masculinity!
Yes.
in every video, you dont see an angry man raving about injustice, as there are so many on youtube, what i see are eye's with a deep wisdom and calm. In his eyes i see a kind man who is sad with the current state of the world, it makes for a unique experience to watch.
Ridicule them, this is their weakest point. Laugh at them, dont be angry, just laugh, they want you to be mad. Dont let them win.
You are so right !f you think about certain movies as allegories, look at Monsters Inc. The little girls laughter turned out to be the most powerful energy there was.
Yes I'm sure they really give a crap lol
Just don’t pay to watch the movie
I just use the whole "it's cause I'm black" when they start up. I am part black, my great grandmother was a free woman of color in New Orleans 100+ years ago. Bought her freedom. Married a doctor, they helped build the first black Catholic church in the USA, sent several AA to medical school in the US. They also helped start the first all black clinic in the US. Her nephew was Kid Ory, the first black musician on the radio in the 1890s. He found Louis Armstrong when he was 16 yo.
@@locust7777 Who cares if they give a crap? lol
Even worse Disney is trying to trademark "Loki" so that they can sue people that use his likeness. This is absurd.
You're kidding right?
@@anointingofseer2596 well with the current Dear Leader of the Left being known for his audacious attacks on Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss while giving real world dictators a pass and assistance, you really have to wonder.
The incoherent insanity of the Left has no limit to it's evil intent.
@@anointingofseer2596 not kidding.. they have trademarked "Loki" and THEIR INTERPRETATION of his likeness and they are suing people.. have done the same for years with other characters... successfully.. so long as your artwork clearly has no relation to their artwork then you are fine...
Yeah their suing fan art stuff too i heard
@@paulrevere2379 the lrft are dragging us into world communism, insanity is their norm.
I stopped paying attention to the Marvel and DC disrespectful interpretations of the Norse and Greek pantheons (respectively) a long time ago.
I wouldn't say it was all for naught, however ... their disregard for tradition inspired me to seek out the truth. Ironic, really.
No one I knew that watched these movies, even cared about the mythology/religion
@The Bearded Dragon..and what about their black facing of Heimdell, the Whitest of the Whites.. Is that just creative license too ? Just because we don't stamp our feet and cry like others, does not give the jew in Hollywood the right to disrespect other peoples faith, nor would it be accepted by the "woke" 🤷♂️
@@daveyoung445 Nice job naming them bro. More people need to.
@@melgibsonaftertwobeers6119..Havamal Stanza 127
Profit thou hast if thou hearest,
Great thy gain if thou learnest:
If evil thou knowest, as evil proclaim it,
And make no friendship with foes.
Have you found it yet?
Marvel: we made Loki bisexual
Us: so you think the LGBT folks are agents of chaos destined to bring about the end of the world, huh...that doesn't sound so woke to me.
But it is accurate
With the way the alphabet mob act...it actually makes sense.
Wtf Marvel are prophets!
haha i laughed to hard gg bro
Like when Chris Evans accused what he saw as homophobes as being closeted gay. That was his insult and that's in spite of having a gay brother. He saw being gay as the way to insult them. What a tool.
Marvel hasn't had a single creative idea in years. There's a reason they're getting trashed and demolished in sales from manga and anime, and it's because the first "new" idea they've had is woking the universe, sure lets make loki lgbtq, lets take away Falcon, the first black superhero that didn't have "black" in his name and make him black cap instead, because that isn't regressive at all. Lets add in trailblazer, snowflake, safespace and "B-Negative" the first woke superhero lineup, yaaay! They're idiots and no one likes it and the declining sales are our fault for being bigots, even though the people they're pandering too hate them too. They have no imagination, no story to tell, just "be more woke you filthy peasants.
Theyve even started striking videos for the word loki being on their person, nevermind the fact that loki existed well before disney/marvel.
The best movies are still the old spiderman and batman movies. Maybe some early xmen were even decent and entertaining. That was 20years ago
Nothing that comes from modern Hollywood is decent now.
@@RayoSombrio78 the worst part is its not due to lack of decent actors, there are a lot who are absolutely phenomenal, but that means Jack shit when everything coming out is recycled garbage from people who can't understand creativity
@@HmmWelp It's because they don't care about good stories anymore. All movies are done in the same boring and politically correct way. That's the reason manga and anime are sweeping the floor with comics and Hollyweird.
@@RayoSombrio78 honestly they can cry all they want about how we're bigots because we won't watch their shit and their numbers are crumbling.
Every time I saw "Emma's record low views" it brought me nothing but joy.
I hope this trash perishes and embrace anime for their hatred of western posturing.
Loki is a shapeshifter and therefore shifts and pretends to be whatever he needs to be to suit his needs at the moment. No wonder why the leftists love the character so much. They're moral shapeshifters.
Exactly! He shifts for his needs not because he's "Gender fluid"
@@tylergibson5470 yea, and as far as I know, he is referred to as: "he", "son", "brother", etc, throughout Norse mythology from his birth. As Bjorn said, if they want to make their version of the character gender fluid or whatever... Fine, but they can't rightfully say it's supported by Norse mythology.
Loki represents the psychopath, I believe this figure exists in other cultures aswell.
@@Aodyxiuss I think "trickster" or "joker" would be a better description.
@@charlieberry7562 sure, I can agree with that if it's their own "alien god" sort of take on it. And I suppose the mythology itself would change over time through word of mouth; eventually the myth could include Loki being some sort of gender fluid guy (especially if it changed in the 21st century). But it hasn't changed to include that stuff so I believe, in the least, the distinction has to be made (as you've done) that Marvel Loki is sort of their own IP, different from the actual mythology it stemmed from.
Being their own version, Marvel changing their Loki to be gender fluid doesn't change the original mythological character. And if that's the case, it doesn't matter much to me what they do with their character. Creative development is certainly welcome in general. My comment is in response to persons who would (and do) say shifting shape between male and female means you have no actual gender and therefore are gender fluid. And to those who would say they are actually the same character. If Marvel expresses creative development with their Loki, I don't see it as ruining mythology because I see it as just that, their seperate character. I think maybe Bjorn's (and mine for the most part) opinion is that over time, all people will know of Loki is Marvel's version and think the Norse created that version originally. There are certain aspects of the myths I'm sure old Norse people would want people for all time to know like, (their) Loki is a "male" shapeshifter.
7:02 "I won't, because... I'm a grown man actually so uh... I don't care" Said with totally straight face, not a joke, very strong burn.
Leave the norse gods alone, Hollywood... Odin's disappointed.
@@professorronin9648
Even in the modern days, Odin inspires me. I don't care what the media says, we need strong fathers and caring mothers.
Why would he be dissapointed? He rode on his nephew Sleipnir, born by his Trans Horse brother/sister/beast Loki who shape shifted like Bruce Jenner into a female horse to get pregnant by a Stallion! Norse mythology is full of that stuff
@@professorronin9648 To be fair bud, they did it in a respectful way to the character. I would have liked to see him go down to Fenris but I liked how they saw him out with respect to Hopkins' age. But the latest episode of Loki straight up insulted Odin as the word and the way and it disappointed me as Marvel so regularly does now.
@@professorronin9648 Thank you mate. I enjoyed Thor Ragnarok, there was the odd moment of virtue signalling sadly but nothing on the scale of recent Marvel. They've absolutely hunkered down on non stop waves of incessant virtue signalling. Thor Ragnarok was a drop in the bucket compared to how they are now in my opinion, a Marvel movie from a simpler time, even though it was only four years ago.
@@professorronin9648 he wasn’t a good father so stfu
That upsets me and I'm not Scandinavian, almost as much as black Anne Boleyn . Love South Africa
They are upset in the UK and calling it racist that black Anne Boleyn flopped, however its actually just that its channel 5 and there have been a lot of Anne Boleyn dramas in the last 10 years, probably about 10 and a couple, wolf hall and the tudors were actually really good. The same will no doubt happen with this. So much Loki over the last 10 years and I doubt people will be interested in them making it LGBT either because I personally have never cared or thought about the sexuality of Thor or any Gods!
@@zoerose4110 : I happen to be directly related to Anne Boleyn via her mother's side of her lineage, the Howards. I can assure you, as much as I'm angered and disgusted my the forthcoming corruption of the character attributes of Loki, the divisive distortion of my own personal family tree utterly infuriates me. Anne is not a figment of imagination or mythological imagery, and she certainly wasn't black.
@@cuhurun I am also related which is why I replied but I didn't add it, Margaret Boleyn Anne grandmother is my 12x grandmother. Its so funny they keep trying to say anne was French not English etc. So funny to meet another relative on here I guess we are all over the world.
I'm afraid I just thought it was silly and it looked silly, she looked as though they blacked her up and no one bought it so I didn't bother getting furious. Just another woke silly game where they can say you're racist if you didn't bother to watch the inferior portrayal compared to recent years.
As a side note I love seeing Anne's embroidery and belongings on the talking tudors website if you're interested. I love seeing things that are tangible and the descriptions of her decor in the Palace. Beautiful. Best wishes xx
What on earth? Anne Boleyn was NOT black! Are you one of those black history revisionists who think everyone from the Stuart monarchs, to Shakespeare, to Abe Lincoln, to Cleopatra were really black and there's some big conspiracy to hide it? Really?
@@SR-iy4gg You assume quite a bit and I don't understand the hostility, I stated that it upsets me.
Loki, is a shape shifter; not a bisexual. Applying the lgbq lens to norse mythology, does it an injustice!
Loki once shifted into a female horse and let a male horse impregnate him.... so idk makes sense to me
@@aaronhernandez9053 Loki is a pragmatic fella.
@@charlieberry7562 The problem is a lot of people can't separate that.
Exacly tomorow these libtards will say that the aincient greeks were gay
Something like Loki has no equivalents in the real world. A mutilated man can't restore his man parts once they're gone. Zeus and numerous Greek gods were shapeshifters themselves, does that make them LGBTQ icons too?
Glad someone else thinks this is ridiculous. Trying to bend everything to pacify a few... I'm sticking to the old ways, thank you for your videos
But Loki is supposed to be bi in the myths he doesn't even have gender for fucks sake !!
@@iamacat9400 - You obviously haven't read the ancient myths, FFS. Or if you have, you haven't read them with any sense of their subtlety. Loki is a highly complex figure. As Bjorn says, he's the agent of chaos, trickery, subversion, and mockery. Sometimes he appears heroic, but more often he's represented as the butt of derision in Norse mythology. Like most adherents of the new 'woke' religion, however, you prefer to anachronistically project your OWN simplistic obsessions onto ancient myth rather than trying to understand them on their own terms.
@@wiseonwords bruv whatever you can't change anything and its not like loki is going around and making big deal of his sexuality loki is a great character and he is not "ruined" just cause he likes men too.
@@wiseonwords you said a whole lot but didn't really say anything at the same time. In mythology Loki had relations with men and women. You can get pedantic and say he is a shapeshifter so bisexuality doesn't apply, but by the end of the day he's still sleeping with men
Oh my god Marvel... Mentioning 1 charater based on a mythical character that has sex with guys is bisexual in one line of a disney plus series... NEXT UP WE HAVE THE MARVEL MOVIE ALL ABOUT GAY SEX AND EVERERYONE IS GAY!
Thats how you all sound right now.
Springfield’s Mayor Quimby once asked his bodyguard: „Are they getting dumber or just louder?“ The proper answer for the woke crowd is „both“.
Uh.... this is actually peanuts compared to the shit the gods got to. Sleipnir.
It still is a stupid decision if the only reason was to appeal to twitter.
No its not just that in the comics loki wasn't that innocent of a being
Your voice, the sound of the fire, and the content of your speech is so soothing. Thank you
Also, "I could be offended,but I won't. Because I'm a grown man." Is a statement so underated. This should become a lot more common as a stand
As a Christian, liberals have been remaking Jesus more into their image and not trying to transform themselves into his. When there is no truth, you get to make up your own.
Thanks Bjorne
I was once at an old Viking cemetery which made a big impression on me, mainly because of the mystical atmosphere that seemed to surround the place. Very special! This experience and my interest in the culture as a whole contributed to my fondness for Scandinavian history (Norwegian in particular). From viking ships to totem poles, burial mounds to embroideries it's all there and that's what makes it so special in my eyes. Thank you for standing up for your culture and thank you for clarifying about Loki, I don't think many people knew this!
How is this not cultural appropriation in their eyes? Its only offensive if it's about a culture of people with dark skin.
It is, which shows the hypocrisy of it all. They favor one religion over another, so it's not surprising at all, Christians have dealt with it for quite some time now (but a majority have conformed to the world, so many accept this ideology). Asians have recently entered the equation more so, but my guess is when it comes to beliefs...they don't care. They water them down and since majority of people don't practice or have good knowledge of their culture or beliefs there from, they accept it.
It shows that there is more to this war than just ideology.
Loki in the myths would happily bend you over and go too town
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I’d be interested to hear how ragnarok is not really the end of the world. Sounds like it might have similarities with the Christian concept of apocalypse.
@@ivan55599 I understand what he said, I was being genuine. The Christian concept of apocalypse is similar. Not the end of the world, but rather a marriage between the earth and heaven. Everyone who lived a virtuous life receives glorified bodies and lives in this perfected world
Christians still up held pagan beliefs hence why there are pagan holidays within European Christianity. Apocalypse in Greek means-change.
@@simonegeezer6238 technically it means to uncover. And while I’m using the term it’s not necessarily the proper terminology for the Christian concept. If I’m not mistaken it would typically be referred to as Revelation after the book in the Bible or as the Second Coming. I also find it very unlikely that it was influenced by Norse culture as it’s not a holiday but events described in the Bible itself. That’s not to say that Holidays haven’t been adopted by the Catholic Church in order to make the transition for those converting to it easier, I’m perfectly comfortable admitting that. I just don’t think this is an example of that. I believe this is more along the concept that all religions approximate one true religion to greater or lesser degrees, and that’s why you can see parallels in religions from vastly different cultures.
@@evanf1443 no, not "_everyone_ who lived a virtuous life". Having lived "virtuous life" is not the ticket to heaven; but that is a popular belief and a common misconception, even among those who "identify" as Christians.
@@thekingsdaughter4233 I’m aware that that was an oversimplification. That wasn’t the point.
In the tv show there was not the word bisexual, there was just said that he had princess and princes in his life. Not a full categorization.
Also, what about the many stories where loki goes to midgard as a woman and have children with men? Odhin also was a complicated figure by doing seidr magic, a woman thing. They argue about it in the tale of the insults in the dinner.
Loki being neither man nor woman is actually very in alignment with the sources. He can shapeshift into whatever he wants, a woman included, and he do it a lot. Very chaotic by the way.
I'm not surprised at all that Hollywood did this after all they butchered Witcher and they are also going to butcher the LOTR
Add Castlevania to that list as well. The Witcher got off lucky compared to most.
how did they botch The Witcher? Dont get me wrong they didnt follow the story exact and they could have done a better job on some parts but they stuck closer to the story im reading than most adeptations do.
@@Raurie4 I think he just wanted accuracy, plus the insertion of different races in kingdoms there shouldn't have been. That created a world/lore issues for no reason. It did do far better than most, but they messed a fair bit up just to have certain characters in the story early.
@@Raurie4 can't speak for the story but race swapping characters know for their skin/hair/eye color tells me the showrunners don't care about accuracy.
@@blumiu2426 Castlevania was woke as hell from the first episode. It had interesting moments, but the woke crap ruined them.
When you said "Loki is bisexual" Elvis turned and looked at you like "what did you just say?" LoL that was super cute ❤️ love you Elvis
well this type of bs that marvel/disney is doing is why i stopped watching the movies and shows. i am happy when i left when i did
"He's looking for some bacon."
Elvis and I would get along great.
The movies and comics portray him as a cheek buster, is unsettling to me and I used to be into Norse mythology since my moms side is from Norway and my father from Mexico.
Well he took it as a horse so I can see him being flexible in this regard
Elvis is lovely. Thank you for clarifying the truth. I pay no attention to anything from Hollywood. Thank you again.
This is madness: to simplify what is deep and complicate like every religion is, and on the other side to complicate what is simple and clear (male Is male, female is female, whatever consentient adults are doing in their bedroom is absolutely not interesting for me). I'm not very religious but I respect others beliefs. Thank you Bjorn 👍
You just nailed the whole thing that is happening nowadays.
I think that they just want to destroy the current society with it's current principles and beliefs and create another one in it's place with different set of principles and beliefs.
@@SkyRied1 I totally agree. What I can't understand is why so many people are "self confusing"...
@@SkyRied1 well yes that is how history works. I'm getting a feeling that there's something wrong with that
Might want to go read more on how much of a freak Loki really was. He transformed into a female horse, mated with a male horse, and birthed Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged stead. When Thor lost his hammer to the giant, Loki dressed them up as women to fool the giants, but only Loki was described as feminine, while Thor was still described as masculine in the disguises.
@@SkyRied1 I received this post from a catholic priest. I'd like to know your opinion about it:
"They want priests to be married, and married people to divorce.
They want not binding relationships for heterosexuals, but gay people must have a church wedding.
They want women to assume masculine roles, and men to become as "fragile" as some fictional women.
A 5-6 years old child has the right to decide if he will be man or woman for all his life, but a younger than 18 child is not considered responible for his crimes.
There's no room in hospitals for patients, but who wants change sex Is incentivized and sponsored.
There's a free psychological support for who wants come out from heterosexuality, but there isn't for who wants come out from omosexuality, and if somebody try to do this, it's considered a crime.
To be in favour of family and religion is dictatorship, but pissing on the crucifix is freedom of expression...
Just wanted to comment on what a beautiful dog you have
That dog is a four legged arrow
I was never a fan of the Marvel versions of the gods, it is a dumb down arcade version of what the real stories were. The are taking that comic version of these names and adding a layer of propaganda to what was already crap. The Nazis did the same thing....
Yep. Changing it. North Korea too. They only have three tv channels.
I tend to view marvel's norse inspired characters having nothing to do with the actual figures
In the original comics, the inspiration was pretty good and respectful. It's Disney who ruined all with their woke crap.
Dead fish go with the flow.
Well, they have Loki as Odin’s son, so that sets the benchmark.
It's all made up and not real lol
Of course vile subversive media owned by those that hate us has nothing to do with our actual religion and culture.
I used to think that Viking history was going to be respected around the world. But, I am really upset that I have very naïve outlook.
Don't worry, we respect it, even as far as Australia at the bottom of the world here, it's just the woke mob that don't.
@@RustyNox and the woke mob don't even respect themselves.
that's a silly thing to think. like no remnants of a single culture is universally loved, respected and cherished all over. like there's plenty of from scandinavia even who could give less crap about it. which is fine i suppose. world is full of rich cultures. you can pick what you're interested in. it's also dumb to overly romanticize history. i notice some channels especially do that with norse. like if you go back in time people weren't exactly ''oh wow vikings are coming how awesome they're my favorite culture to be looted and pillaged by! ''
@@Talvekuningas I have been to a viking festival and it was warm and welcoming. They were intelligent and ahead of their time. But oddly enough, Persisian history has been erased by Radicals. So, it's a shame. It really is -- hard to admit --- the Radicals have won. It's hard to admit that the opinions were plundering villages when the first Kings of England were vikings.
So ---- I think history should be taught better!!!
@@ms.miller7311 first kings of england were not vikings. where are you getting your information from ? æthelstan, grandson of alfred the great was the first. i believe? he was in no shape or form a viking.
I love hearing you talk about the gods so much- would really love to hear more of it!! Loki is the god I connect most with and so hearing your take on how Marvel tackles that character was really interesting. Great video :))
Thanks, Asta!
Wow not only are people making My Creator God pissed of but also pissing off all the other Gods off.... Get ready for the ride of there anger!!!!
The marvel characters are completely removed from established mythology. They share the same names, but they have absolutely nothing to do with the Gods of old.
Their characters can be whatever they want, but their stories will never be part of the stories of old.
I think thats what people dont get. They don't look at marvel's characters for what they are and instead compare them to their mythological counterparts when they are part of a completely different story.
@@charlieberry7562 I think the problem people are having is that people are saying that Loki was bisexual in the mythos as well even though as the guy in the video said he isn't.
@@gristlyknave831 do we ever have enough information to say either ? but i agree this is marvel universe. it's based on mythology, but shouldn't be taken up as The mythology.
@@charlieberry7562
From what I understand about the character Loki would do anything to mess with people to cause chaos/mess around with. I don’t think he cared how he went about it and I’m not really sure he really cares about anyone or even his wife sense he has so many affairs though a lot of gods in old mythologies tend to do that.
But I don’t study Norse mythology I just read about it every now and then when I suddenly have an interest in it for a short time or someone talks about it. This is just my understanding of Loki I don’t believe he is Bisexual as all he cares about is causing chaos and mischief in whatever way possible. I’m also not sure if bisexuality was something that was excepted at the time Norse mythology was created.
@@charlieberry7562 Not really, this was an idea in Ultimate Marvel, wich was a non canon story. They are considered Gods in the 616 (name of the main Marvel Universe) at least in the runs I've read, wich are mostly 1970s and 1980s, they are called Gods, but never Aliens.
I guess giving them the right to marry was indeed the slippery slope.
I’d love more of your commentary on Norse mythology and helping people better understand it. It’s good to have an actual Norse man debunk nonsense coming from America.
Yeah I tend to notice that a lot of American Heathens are apart of the woke crowd too.
@@sponge5196 tac on fb. Bunch of woke progressives.
@@fitzchivalryfarseer313 You wanna stare into the abyss go on the Heathen Subreddit.
Bjorn, can you please do more videos about norse mythology... The real thing?
Why don't we all get the right books and gather once a year in the cold wilderness and talk about it?
I’m imagining the outrage if any Native American deities were “re-imagined” through a woke perspective.
Oh, yeah! That would be totally "racist."
What if they made a movie about God and Jesus being lgtbq+? Just imagine...
@@ValentijnEnJack Allah and Mohammed would be far better :D Oh boy
We are not easily offended in Scandinavia. Well a few are I guess.
@@BlackCroft666 oh step-Allah it's so big!
Oh that was wrong...
He certainly likes beastaltiy though.
Example: Fenris (Big Wolf) and Sleipner (Odin's Horse)
So that makes him middle Eastern?
@@TheJimmyClip or your mom?
@@TheJimmyClip Ehm, no hes Norse aka Norwegian.
Fenrir is his son. Would be knew to me that he would try incest. Sleipnis was an accident. he just wanted to lure him away and...well..
@@BlackCroft666 knew?
Loki in the myths is a pan sexual gender fluid species changer who has given birth to, among other things, and eight legged horse and a giant snake.
Him being bi in the films is TAME by comparison if anything.
The irony is within their own movies Loki tried to commit mass genocide on his own race and enslave the human race. Seems like appropriate alphabet people representation.
LOL! You've got a point there! XD
Why "alphabet people"?
Classify the God of mischief as lgbtq+ really clever marvel. Your pandering just became more insulting.
If there is one thing I can sense about you Bjorn, is the essence of Odin that lives within your spirit. I can not only see it. But I can feel it in your voice. It is something those of us who have studied under Norse teachings for decades to understand will see it with our hearts.
Great cabin you got Bjorn! Colourful and cozy. Elvis seems very happy to be in there with you ! 😊
I guess I'm no longer going to be entertained by Marvel.
@@northscrow9316 if you didn't see this coming i suggest you meet with a local "conspiracy theorist" and get woke.
@@northscrow9316 this is old news
They've never really been that great tbh.
I never have aside from Deadpool and Wolverine I couldn't give a rats ass for the rest of the movies
Took you a while. But it's never too late. I'd also stay away from Disney and Netflix.
Imagine if they said this about another faith saying their god is bie
@C D No, we don't. It should be stamped out.
@@openbuddha
Why? Like the same with Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? What faith should rise in the place of Christianity then?
@@returnoftheromans6726 I'm sure you thought the Crusades were fun too and the pogroms against Jews.
@@openbuddha Religion should be stamped out, I agree 👍
@C D Christianity has shed more blood and spread more unhappiness in it’s 2000 year history than war. It deserves to be ridiculed. What sort of establishment that claims to be morally sound covers up the exploitation of its own children at the hands of its priests? The people who continue to defend it are no better than the men who covered it up.
As far as Marvel Comics go, which is what the Marvel Studios claims to base itself upon, there Loki primarily was depicted as a straight dude who was into women-only and was also married to Sigyn and had affairs with other females and would surround himself with hot female servants whenever he'd sit in his evil castle planning his schemes. He was also a father to Slepnier, but it was never explained how exactly. So accounting for the PG-demographic of CBs in the 60s, I very much doubt he birthed Slepnier naturally, so it was most likely magic - he poured his blood on horses's hair and there was born a monstrous super horse or something. He was also masculine, barbaric in appearance and personality, and wasn't really a beautiful looking fella. So, a far cry from a cutesy bi fantasy all the fans of MCU Loki paint in their head when thinking of the character.
What do you even care he is still acting the same and they don't make big fuse about it in the show at least
You couldnt have a gay character back then
@@iamacat9400 Exactly its one line in a Disney plus show that one character is sexually attracted to both men and woman.
Yeah, but Loki full on banged a stallion in shape of a mare. You can kid yourself, but Loki is a singing man 😉
The Netflix show, Ragnarok, is running the same basic theme with the Loki "character".
And that show is made in Norway...guess the rotten apples are in any basket.
@@RayoSombrio78 How would you prefer they adapt the story to modern times? If you are telling of Loki in a modern setting it makes sense to call him gender fluid..or bi sexual. They may not have had these terms in Viking times but Vikings DID have words for same-sex activity and conceptually understood Loki as being able to shift to whatever he desired. From what we can tell Negative perception of homosexuality in Viking society was if you were shirking your duty to marriage/reproduction not the acts itself. The opposition to the acts where more likely introduced by Christianity.
Honestly some people who are upset by this just seem like they are influenced by Christianity ideology and have anti same sex views.
@@kraewe2367 I completely agree. I just watch this video after watching the same topic by The Welsh Viking and the comment sections for these two videos are like black and white (white being TWV and black being this comment section due to all the hatred and intolerance). There seems to be a general annoyance in this group with the idea of change (in this case, the push of more tolerant, previously unacceptable views by the media) which does seem to have religious links in some cases and in others, lack of knowledge and societal insulation. All lack the ability to morally rationalise for these reasons.
Disney also is trying (or already succeeded) to copyright Loki.
They only got "Marvel Loki" not "Loki"
Well they are right to have the marvel Loki after all you can't just copy someone's intellectual property but it's wrong of them to try to copyright the god Loki
What Disney did was blasphemy.
Everything will be defiled
My Goodness, I've followed your other channel and just ran across this one and saw the link. I must say I was quite surprised, Looking forward to this video.
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Thank you my Norwegian friend from America I hear a lot of Buzz about Loki of course I've read the stories so many young people don't know that
they took the mythology, chewed it up and made it easy to digest.
the comics did this for years but not to the extent of this MCU nonsense.
I agree with you. Thanks for sharing!! I'd love to see more videos about Norse beliefs and history . Have a great day!
They wouldn't dare say it about the Muslim prophet, nevermind their God. I think it's disgusting how they feel the need to disrespect European culture.
I had the same thought.
When anyone needs a dose of common sense and rational thinking. Or wants to learn of Scandinavian culture, heritage and teaching. This is the channel to go to. Many of us are grateful and thankful for your videos.
Loki isn't Bisexual, but in keeping with his reputation, I think he came up with all this woke shit and has been manipulating us. Maybe with some help from Ratatoskr.
Ratatoskr does talk some $hit.
Beautiful hound. I love the Viking cabin, thank you for taking us into the wild. 💞
Didn't Loki become a horse to get pregnant and give birth to another horse? Being bisexual wouldn't be the weirdest thing he did, no?
In the mythology he only has intercourse on free will with women though. I wouldn't count "distracting the working horse , so that the wall won't be finished in time and so the contract will be not fulfilled" as something on free will.
@@BlackCroft666 the thing is he is God he doesn't have a gender it wouldn't be far fetched if he is bi
I hope you continue to clarify the genuine history of the Norse mythos. We cannot lose these important perspectives. And as you know, with each passing generation, distortions will continue unless the traditions are preserved and authentically passed on. Thanks for your work. Lastly, I’m hopeful your books will be blessed with an English translation.
Thank you, Bill!
I'm not saying I believe in any gods, Judaeo-Christian, Norse, Hindu, Muslim, or otherwise. However, something deep inside me says, do not mess with other people's gods, do not defile or disrespect them, lest you awaken and draw down something really bad upon yourself.
Very interesting Bjorn. I always learn something listening to you. Well done as always sir 👍👍
I love that story about the origin of Sleipnír! (The one from the old stories, that is - not the movies)
Also...I like the way you portrayed Loke in the Tyr trilogy. All the characters, really. Would actually love a spinoff book on what happened to Surt and his brethren.
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I don't like what many people seem to love doing to the culture and belief that runs in my blood. But I don't hate them for that. I know what I believe in and I have my own path to carve in life.
Stay healthy and well everyone and never forget who you are over petty arguments and attitudes.
No. When he transformed into a mare and was impregnated it was a source of great shame for him and many jokes at his expense. It was a story meant to make children LAUGH around the campfire, but this is how far we've sunk with so much sugar and plastic in our diet.
Yes. You are correct.
You are so refreshing! I really enjoyed this video. You even made me laugh at one point. Thank you for the Loki history.
Hey they came for us Christians as well it’s only time till they came for yours. Knew it would happen as marvel took those characters
This was on my mind, they have no respect for Europeans, their culture or beliefs at all it seems, they have broken trust.
@@RustyNox Yeah dont you know white people dont have any culture we stole everything apparently.
Im italian and they have black centurions in britian
Christians already came after native European things centuries ago.
@@folksurvival Oh yeah what were those things cupcake. Was it the human sacrifice thing, killing babies. Scalping people raiding or raping ?
@@Dobermann89-dr2rc: There's no such thing as "White culture."
Sickening! Marvel & or DC can go bankrupt now!
If Hollywood made movies of a certain middle eastern god there would be riots all over. They have no problem making fun of European gods.
So... should Europeans start threatening to behead people too just for making silly jokes on a show?
@@quicheadvisor5507 I think we should include all gods equally when it comes to depicting them in a silly show or movie. We include my Christian god, Norse gods why not throw in a little Baal, Alla or Mohammed. No one is getting truly hurt until some fundamentalist goes crazy, and who’s to say he wasn’t already crazy, just looking for an excuse.
@@texanmartialarts Fair point! I agree :) they should all be fair game.
Hail the Aesir and Vanir! Keep up the great videos!
Too be fair, Loki is the mother of the eight-legged horse Sleipnir. Not the father, the mother. He turned himself into a mare and distracted the stallion Svaðilfari by letting him mount her and wound up pregnant. This is actually right in line with him/her historically.
Exactly! I’m no leftist or liberal. I generally dislike their woke politics but I mean they aren’t wrong here. He is a god of chaos and deceit...seems like he is right up their alley
so he let a horse mount him for distraction?
I think it is funny how Disney and society in general will make fun of every God in existence except Allah. They are too afraid to make fun of the Muslim God because someone will act Violently.
Thank you for this information, growing up I loved the original Marvel comics and have attempted to live by the ideologies of Steve Rogers throughout my life, regardless of how easy it is for others to see this as superficial, it really means more to me than I can mention here or this would be a very long, and perhaps boring comment for many others. There are more and more fatherless homes within the modern world, and having heroes can assist a person's path in life greatly. Your culture has always interested me greatly, much respect Bjorn!
Why should Hollywood always try to please minority groups. Why not try to please the majority of people
"Marvel Loki" not to be confused with norse mythology Loki
Bjorn’s, good vid! Thanks! 🙏
Nothing is sacred anymore, or off limits, specially our history & forbears.
I don't care about Marvel and their "woke" agenda, nor do I care for LGBTQ politics. But Loki is complex and is certainly a hermaphroditic God, (or Giant depending on perspective.) He takes the form of a mare and allows the Stallion Svafilfari to mate with him. He doesn't magically create the foal, he lives as a mare for the full gestation of his offspring which when grown is given to Woden as the horse Sleipnir. 😆 Thunor engages in a little cross-dressing to regain his Hammer (Thor doesn't have hangups) but Loki's actions are quite different, actually becoming female and birthing offspring. And according to the Lokasenna, Odin and he became blood brothers. 🤔 Fascinating!
Also, I would point out that the most infamous shape shifter and trickster in our Northern stories is Odin. He is singleminded in his pursuit of knowledge and will let no law, no moral code or bond of friendship get in his way.
So I'm a "bi pagan", if I need to label myself for the understanding of others, I also follow an eclectic Celtic/Norse path as I am british and a mix of these cultures genetically (not that you have to be). I am not offended by anything said in this video, I agree that to massively simplify any mythological character, who is an embodiment of universal concepts into a modern human label is lazy, and massively misses an opportunity to show sexuality as a spectrum and the labels as human constructs. On the "cultural appropriation"; marvel is fine for some mindless entertainment but we really should not expect it to be an ambassador of viking culture, whereas supposedly historical shows like last kingdom or Vikings, do more to perpetuate sterotypes we know to be false, perhaps we should demand better accuracy from those shows, or stop expecting media to be the conveyors of our culture? Have seen the welsh Vikings video on this subject? I think he covers it quite well.
Everything woke turns to shit. - T
Considering he's turned into a female horse, let a male horse impregnate him, and then birthed the child, I'd say his mythological counterpart is more than bisexual. I don't get the issue people seem to have with this.
I think the big difference is that the alphabet activists look at this as a lifestyle, whereas in antiquity it was more of an action. Loki did not get his identity from his pants - his identity was much bigger than that.
The alphabet activists just aren’t ready to accept beastiality as a sexuality they need to love and support … yet.
Well said Mr Hanson, blessings always,
The ole bacon eater is cracking me up
And the younger generation will actually believe the Marvel interpretations instead of being like an educated historian and look up these ancient stories(prob not an accurate word). I read that LGBTQ wants to make St Joan of Arc a patron saint of the alphabet people. The story of this Saint's decisions is so opposite of what the left is portraying about her.
Imagine doing this to another religion you guessed it
I mean in ancient Greece sex between men was really common so it only makes sense that most gods would be bi
The golden age of Hollywood was in the 1930s and has come and gone. Hollywood has no new ideas, so they just keep cranking out computer generated comic book action hero movies. After going through all the comic book heroes, Spider-Man 15, Batman 50, they are now using Norse Gods and Heroes. And of course they add their wokeism lectures. I find those movies utter garbage, and value my time better. I would rather spend my time connecting with the natural world.
Was not Loki considered a “trickster”? A God of Chaos so yes it is fitting he represents them
Meaning he’s laughing at them
And complete with "daddy issues" to really bring the parallel together...🤣
Loki god of chaos .. Will use decption to achieve goals. Is a Shapeshifter. So really not suprising.
Loki was also shape-shifting, so in modern language, he was gender neutral..
@@Vince111079 Shape-shifting doesn't imply what forms he's taking, rather he is taking ones not his own. There was also no such thing as gender, just male and female (sex) back then, so we can't keep comparing modern concepts to the past just as Bjorn said.
I agree with you Bjorn, it's a very strange feeling to see what the movies are doing to our beliefs, it is giving people the wrong idea of the norse gods. Another great topic, I like seeing you in your viking clothing!
I had a feeling that you might be a believer of the old Norse gods. It fascinates me that despite all that we see around us, this anti-religion movement, you were able not only to stay true to yours, but also chose such rare one. I'd like to hear the story behind it someday. What lead you to it, how does your everyday life looks like, that sort of thing.
Subscribed and liked. I enjoy your videos, keep making them. And give Elvis some bacon!
Loki to you is a symbol of chaos so it fits perfectly with something he would do. Rebrand himself causing massive problems? The slim ball he can be at times it's easy to see him at the head of something like the woke scam. He often tires to weasel his way into and out of situations causing huge problems. It's a perfect fit for what he'd do.
Please sign the petition to get Bjorns books printed in English. Looking forward to reading them.