Oh and classic loss of sound-headed thinking by dealer getting so excited about potential deal he temporarily lost discipline to ensure he was not in process of a scam/theft.
@@houseandhobby6971 Exactly, never let anyone move your cards away from the table unless there cash in hand, though I do see it a lot on card show videos. I understand there's some trust between sellers and buyers, but I'd never let anyone walk with my cards without payment first. 🤷♂
What should be more concerning is how some Brick-and-Mortar stores can barely get 1 case of new product and people like BYB in their basements can get dozens of cases to over price to the public. Sickening. Pay close attention to what I'm saying because Topps just cancelled their biggest distributor.
People think Fanatics taking a monopoly on Football/baseball/basketball is good....it is going to be a TOTAL disaster. People are going to get pushed to alternative sports like UFC, F1, Soccer, etc...Panini will win out on ALL of this in the end. In 10 years we will all be looking back going "remember when Fanatics took over and failed?" This experiment will fail miserably.
I wonder all the time how much backyard breaks and people as high uo as them pay for the box vs how much they sell one time in a break i did the math they had 6 ultimste sweats and 2 lower tier boxes and made like 6500 from spots being filled but the ehole time theybwere crying making people feel guilty for underbidding..
That's the guy at the booths fault. A.) Never give someone cards without money and let them walk away. B.) Never give someone cards without money and let them walk away. C.) Can't do anything about it guy was handed money and accepted it with checking
My brothers $1200 Herbert Card was stolen at the National. It was stolen by 2 kids that were like 12. He was very disappointed and the kids sold the card for 800 within 1 hour and then that person sold it for 900 within 30 minutes then he sold it for 950 and that person sold it for 1000. We did not catch the person who sold it but we tried.
cards should never leave the frame...even sometimes people i regularly break with(who i know for a fact are legit and good people) will sometimes take a card off screen by mistake, and i wonder if anyone new seeing that would think they were not 100% legit bc of it...the Backdoor Jabronies are a different breed tho(pun intended)...no matter how much wrong they do, the jabronie army will still throw their parent's $ at them...
Do your reasearch, most of the viewers are watching on twitch where the cards are always in frame. They "sweat" the card only on the camera that is showing the card up close. Back Yard is totally legit!
I’m surprised there is not more theft at the National or other big shows. Guys walking around with tons of cash and cards. Dealers cards basically unsecured. Ripe for a heist.
Stolen cards like stolen artwork or stolen antiques are also very hard to sell, especially graded cards or serial numbered cards. Word gets out fast, people have scans and pictures. A card shop near me was broken into awhile back, the guy was caught within 3 days by trying trying to sell the cards
@Ozsportscard 2 sounds like that movie, I can't remember which one it was but these guys decided to do an armed robbery at a high stakes poker night at some gangsters house. "Do you have any idea who you are ripping off?" "You don't think we are gonna find out who you are?"
You Sacramento boys best watch your back when calling out dudes from the mean streets of Lincoln, Nebraska. Backyard Breaks ripping off Barstool sports logo, while stealing straight from the pockets of their customers.
Dealer is stupid for letting the guy leave with the cards in the first place . Police will say it is a civil matter and dealer will need to take the scammer to court. Will be hard to prove in court. Look like dealer will lose those $80k worth of cards .
Ya the guy could say he left $100k, my word his word sort of a deal. I would have checked that money b4 he started handling that many cards or else it's look at 1 card at a time and I'll keep them with me back here
Backyard breaks is by far the shadiest room out there and they have no incentive to change their ways as customers just keep coming back and ignoring the many people they have screwed over because it did not happen to them personally. They ignore all the incredibly shady stuff and pretend nothing is wrong with it. The more they keep getting away with the less likely they will ever change. In fact, the more shady stuff they do, the more they are rewarded by the room filling with new people. It is crazy how much they have gotten a pass on.
What shady stuff? Honestly what are you talking about? Say im new to the hobby, like what are you talking about? You go on about “the more shady stuff they do” … like what are some examples?
@@Migs-jn6vz Do a search for backyard breaks scams and you will get many examples. If you do not think taking cards off screen is shady than I do not know what else to tell you. They ran a promo and tried to keep the card until everyone called them out. They outright lied about what happened and acted like nothing was wrong despite thousands of people calling them out. They pulled fake items out of their own repacks and would not replace the hits for guys. Many other examples but people ignore the warning signs until it happens to them personally.
@@bobby2popsbreaks You obviously haven't watched them at all. They show it all on their twitch stream, they have nothing to hide, they have a FULL SCREEN camera of themselves and the entire room, you can see the cards, their hands and everything, it might look weird on whatnot or tiktok but cmon man. I do agree the tlaw stuff was bs and was an awful look and a terrible thing to do!
God that Tatis redemption is brutal! I bet whoever is in charge of the redemptions at Topps jumps all over cards like that. At the stroke of midnight eastern they probably snatch up all the valuable cards and either steal them for their PC or sell them. They probably throw a party when the redemption for a card like that expires. I don't know what they go for now, but last year that card was definitely worth 5 figures.
Exactiy what happens. I actually knew a Topps rep who would backdoor the cards even before the redemption expired(couple months) and if someone pulled it, it was replaced, but he would take the chance on cards not being redeemed in time.
I am not a huge backyard breaks fan, but can give clarity on the 'out of camera' aspect. Essentially, what it really comes down to is the fact that they are simultaneously streaming all breaks on Tiktok and Twitch at the same time - and the cameras on twitch show the full table, so they never really have anything 'off camera'. If you are EXCLUSIVELY watching on TikTok, it might look like they pull things off camera to do something, but realistically if that was the case, they would have been caught doing it from their twitch crowd. Now you might ask, well why don't they just keep everything on camera for TikTok as well? In reality, it's because on TikTok, there is only the 16:9 camera that you can use, so they have to utilize it best way they can, which means mainly close-up shots. For anyone that's sketched out, they can switch to viewing on Twitch (to where they can actually see everything), but it's just a less desirable viewing experience for some people.
thats fine but why block him for asking NO as a former streamer you can have the same set up you have on twitch as youtube as facebook as tiktok as anything last but not least IF ITS BIG MONEY and my card doesnt show for more then 1 second of my break - screw them people we aint talking 40 cent pack of bubble gum packs we talking real money
@@russplaysgames9210 I totally understand, I wish they would stream on TH-cam too. But I also understand they're trying to build suspense by not showing that next card when flipping the top one over, it's a balancing act.
@@russplaysgames9210 as for why ban him for simply asking the question, I think they have so many trolls in their chats they don't have time to deal with sorting through legitimate criticism and BS trolls so they just ban them all 🤷🏻♂️
@@curt__941 and i can tell you as a former streamer that looks and feels alot shadier then just responding with hey check this link out - using trolls as a excuse for bad behavior - still means bad behavior
ignore the shady tactics of BYB, the way the act ALONE is enough to turn me away lol. If UD wanted some good publicity, they could hook dude up with something im sure. obviously they arent obligated to do anything, nor would i expect them to had i pulled it.
Ya UD don't owe that guy anything and if they do "hook him up" is it really good publicity or are they just opening a barrel of monkeys? What about the 1000s of others who didn't get "hooked up" who had redemptions that expired? now you got a bunch of people mad at you and they all think UD owes them now too. Now you have all these people going online saying why was he hooked up but I wasnt? "My redem was only 3 years expired not 20 years, UD better hook me up" Then you also get all the people who would say "he must know somebody high up there" . Sounds like hooking dude up would be bad publicity to me.
The worst part is, they had me send the Redemption card in just in case they could locate the card so now I don't even have that. Thank God I took photos and videos of the entire process in case I need them
That was World Class Grifting! The Hobby is full of criminals and scumbags. Backyard breaks should change their name to Bending Over in your backyard! They are complete shit bag's, dude where do find these clowns? Great video my friend.
@@johnmccombs8939 thanks for shilling for a bunch of guys who literally couldn't give two flying Fs about the Hobby. So how much does BB pay you to shill for thier breaks?
Backyard breaks are the biggest joke in the hobby. I can’t stand them. They always pull their cards off screen. They always manage to hit the biggest cards conveniently.
@@vinceperrotta2763 you get a redemption card that says send it back to the company and they will send you the auto card directly to you ...... it expires though so either open before expiration or sell before expiration but do one or the other. ...
So, I watch backyard breaks almost daily. I've bought into 3 $2500 breaks and had no issues receiving my product. As far as the issue of taking cards off screen, you only see that on tiktok. They do that to keep the suspense. They are always streaming simultaneously on Twitch where you can see everything in full view. Before you pass judgment I would suggest checking out their TH-cam page where they walk you through their entire setup from when they rip the cards to when they end up in your mailbox.
Thoughts on a hit tracker / redemption tracker? Why isn't there one to track when big hit are pulled, graded, sold etc? It would also help to track products with redemptions and expiring. Am I missing this? Thank you as always
Card companies don't want that bc 1 shows how hit cards not inserted in product or can't insert due to tardiness. 2 the secondary market can increase or decrease demand in product like the major hits are gone dead product or product 5x in price due to all the majors is being available.
That would involve resources and continued upkeep of automated tech. It would be pretty awesome to know..even for the cards not numbered to see how many were redeemed.
@@redzwestisbest not trying to boil the ocean, but tracking top products top rookies top vets of top hits etc There is web crawling scripts to grab data. I’d even reward people for reporting hits etc. also great for fraud. I agree with earlier comment there’s powers against this info too
The hobby never ceases to amaze me! Backyard breaks? If they're not doing anything wrong? Why block the guy? Expired redemption from 20 yrs? Probably can't do anything. 5 weeks expired? Topps needs to consider waiving and ship. Good topics as usual. 👍
They block for fun and get tired of uneducated people telling them not to take cards off screen when more people are watching on the cameras showing everything
I remember ripping a ton of a product called Visions and pulling a bunch of memorabilia redemption cards. Tons of juicy stuff like Willie Mays autographed bats. Then the company filed for bankruptcy and we all got nothing.
They should always honor the redemption. It’s BS a redemption card became a thing really. That’s how they weasel the customer out of the actual card right? An expired redemption..? To put an expiration date on any card is ridiculous I don’t care who you are
I completely agree. I have little problem with redemptions for cards they are just having a hard time getting, but making them expire is just a scam. If they aren't willing to ensure autos done before launch, then they need to ensure they are available when the redemption is sent in, anytime from the time it's pulled to the time the card company goes out of business
I recently got a 2 week expired redemption from 19-20 platinum and upper deck said they would honor for 1 year past the expiration date. It was a red prism auto of Noah dobson and I got it a week after my submission claim
Why hasn’t somebody filed a complaint against these companies in regards to expiration. These redemptions are basically gift cards and gift cards even if they have an expiration date, do not expire. Upper Deck and Topps should be liable to give something in return.
They aren't gift cards hahaha. Not even close to a gift card. Plus it says right on the box, packaging "time sensitive redemptions could be included" and it gives the date they expire. It's just like a government issued lottery ticket. My GF found several scratch tickets that she never scratched from a couple years prior, she buys tons of them and some time she will buy such a big stack it takes her days if not weeks to scratch them. Anyways, they had expired about 3 months previous, I told her to throw them out because I said if you win big you will kick yourself the rest of your life. She didn't listen. She decided to scratch them anyways, and won $50 bucks but they wouldn't except it. $50 bucks not a big deal, but a lesson learned.
I will tell ya! I was watching BYB on TikTok and Twitch a couple months ago when NT Football released. They were doing a break and said they were going to place a “fresh case” of NT Football in with the already massive break they had going on. The NT case was not on their table or in view. The breaker walks away to get the case and comes back with an open case. This “fresh case” was not sealed when brought on camera. The breaker then takes the hobby boxes from the open “case box”. I made a comment on the TikTok channel asking, “how do buyers know if those were from a fresh case if the case was opened off camera?” I was then immediately blocked! I will NEVER participate in a break with BYB. They lack many important qualities that breakers should possess and one of the most important is TRANSPARENCY!! You never open cases/boxes off camera! Also, I do not see that they upload or record their breaks. They will edit their breaks to show “hits” and upload a snippet of the break. I have never been able to re-watch one of their breaks! Too much shadiness going on and lack of transparency is very concerning! I don’t know why people break with them!
If this many people are getting blocked for questioning their ethics of doing stuff out of camera view it's quite obvious shady stiff is going on. The "fresh case" of NT probably already had the case hit gone. EVERYTHING has to be done on camera, nothing should ever be out of sight even for 2 seconds
@@misguidedangel6550 ABSOLUTELY!! When it comes to breaks, the breaker should always have TRANSPARENCY to their customers. If you lack transparency, you should not have the following that they have! People follow them like they are cult leaders and defend them even when they are doing wrong. I have participated in breaks since 2010 and I would NEVER break with them due to their lack of transparency and how they handle sports cards in general. They don't care about protecting your investment which is what breaks are, an investment. They have races to see who can open packs the quickest! Who cares about that? Protect your buyers investment!! If any other breaker business did a giveaway and opened the giveaway to a big hit and then decided that the card pulled was to expensive for a giveaway, they would have been chastised so much that they would have lost their business! Not these guys with their following though. It is cult like in my opinion!
You should reach out sooner than later even though your probably not going to get it, but they do have their redemption raffle program and I have seen Mcdavid and Mathews Rookie autos given out for replacements so you should still get something quality for it
Topps has always been notorious for not honoring expired redemptions no matter the amount of time passed. UD used to give a years grace period after expiration, not sure if they still do. I’ve seen Panini fill expired hockey redemps several years after expiration, though these were on the lower end.
Redemption's are a crime in this hobby. So sad to see 2 of the biggest card's in the hobby as expired Redemption's. 🤦♂️ and backyard breaks have to be scammers to make any money. Just as bad as old G from platinum breaks. (fucks wit me)🤣
Blocking people is one of the shadiest things around. Perhaps Topps may have never made the card of Tatis. I got a Paul Pierce redemption and cost more to redeem than it sells for.
first thing, the first story if it was a song itd be "3 booths down" ..the Jordan redemption ouch you ain't seeing that card, they maybe will send something of value though. (doubt it)
Well they need to specify on the box what the redemptions are and when they expire on the box instead of advertising big names that are no longer possible to pull... That's not fair to the consumer because the value of these old boxes shouldn't cost as much as they do if specific cards are no longer possible to be pulled... They shouldn't have expired redemptions anyways... I'm sick of cards anyways...
Should just get rid of redemption, total scam. If topps n panin have to hold back the release date of products because of players auto so be it. I'd rather wait then get a redemption card and have to wait for months or years just to get screwed n have panini or topps say sorry we don't t have tat card but here is a replacement card or panini points.
To clarify as this has all popped up in the sport card community I've offered to reach out to the gentleman in ohio seeing he lives real real close to me but can't get a response🤣 I've come to conclude after all the story's popping up and inconsistent story's from the people involved this screams INSURANCE FRAUD
Redemption should not be a thing. What if we told these companies we don't pay for the box until we have all the cards we are promised when we make a purchase. I have Redemptions at panini that's been ordered 4 years ago but they still have my money. smh.
According to topps they honor all redemptions up to 1 year after exp and if they have the card even longer so something tells me they sold that card as soon or b4 the exp was up
Backyard was not taking the cards off camera as they were also streaming on twitch and with a front facing full view. Anyone that watches them on twitch which is their main venue knows that. People are always going to hate them because of a mistake they made up for in a huge way and all parties were satisfied.
Since I mainly deal in hockey, I know UD does put expired redemptions into a raffle depending on what value it's at. That being said, I pulled a Sidney Crosby auto patch redemption /25 from 16-17 The Cup at the start of covid and immediately sent it in. It has been 2 years and I'm still waiting, and not holding my breath.
Screw back yard breaks would never use them for a break. As for redemption 20yrs old tough luck bud, how ever 5 weeks old cmon you can't tell me its not around and if so did they sell it? Give something for the hobbyist geez. And last if anyone opens a box if you know redemptions are expired or could be think carefully about opening seriously.
Even 20 years later a company should be forced to produce the fair market value to the person claiming the card. They should create a national storage facility where the card companies are required to send the cards to be redeemed to be kept in perpetuity until claimed.
100%! It was my redemption, and though I would absolutely love to have that card, I told them to just figure out a different way to make it right and I would be fine but still nothing
@@krisdehnert9271 yeah that’s definitely not fair with the purpose of opening up old boxes if all you’re gonna get is a piece of cardboard that has no value. That’s like 2017-18 basketball Donovan Mitchell is redemption in most of the sets he is in so imagine getting a first of the line national treasure box and getting the redemption of a first off the line RPA Donovan Mitchell and not getting it redeemed Due to the expiration date
I know my example isn’t nearly as traumatizing as your mom Michael Jordan. Lol. Imagine if they never expired and there was a list of how many of those Michael Jordan‘s have been redeemed? That would boost the sales of the boxes for sure (if there were myany left) But the problem is all the boxes are now resale not from the original supplier so they don’t care to do this
That's ridiculous. Ask the government if they will fulfill an expired loterry ticket. There will redemption cards that are NEVER pulled. Even in 50 years, someone will have wax 70 years old with remptions inside, that never get opened
I run a few small breaks and spoke out against byb for them straight up stealing that kaboom and was harassed endlessly by them and fake accounts on ebay
Upper Deck has a 2nd chance raffle and you can get some really great items from it, there are like 3 tiers for the values of expired redemptions, this Jordan would get the highest tier and you would probably still get a UD Jordan Auto memorabilia but you won't get this card as it was probably given to someone else a long time ago in a 2nd chance raffle. Topps on the other hand you just get screwed, I would be livid because they keep the expirations live for 1 year after expiration date but they don't say who gets them or where they go after that, you just get the shaft.
Redemptions are bad business If the card doesn't exist in physical form it should be advertised on the package as "the following cards are redemptions:" If it goes past the expiration they should have a policy to get something as low as store credit.
I got stuff stolen from me at the show. A Super VIP Parking pass and a iPhone charging cable. Minor to me since I was beyond overprotective of me $20K Cristiano Ronaldo 1/1 24 karat gold frame dual patch PSA 9 Slab.
aren't "redemptions" a bit of a scam? why tf wouldn't they just put the cards in the pack?? if they are going to play that game, they shouldn't be allowed to put an expire date less then 25 years imo.
My question is why they usually put a 2 year expiration date on redemptions but there’s guys who have waited for multiple years to receive redemptions? I understand that they can’t honor it until the guy signs but what if the card isn’t signed for 3 years. Why is that redemption expired in 2 years. I know I’m not conveying this message quite right but hopefully someone understands what I am saying. I understand that the expiration date is the time frame you have to redeem the code but I don’t understand why they do that when they themselves have no idea when that card will be signed and returned and no idea when that box of cards will be opened. It’s stupid.
Years ago, someone wrote a tell all book about uper Deck and in particular, Richard McWilliams. It claimed after Topps held it's amazing Archives Auction, that UD started printing and stashing their own "Archives" for "down the road", LOL, you can read it in the book!
That Tatis rejection makes me wonder 💭. Redemption non fulfillment is designed to not deliver the desired card . Particularly in the case of low population numbered cards there should be no expiration date & held in vault to ensure it goes to the person who presents the promised redemption card . You can’t predict the behaviour of unethical employees taking advantage of this situation . History has shown many examples of manufacturers shady practices like the 89 UD Griffey Jr. Authentication companies grew out of lack of trust in the industry which didn’t eliminate BBCE ability to mislead consumers.
Legally speaking upper deck can’t do anything about the MJ Redemption because they can’t legally make NBA logoed basketball cards. They have actually been sued in a class action lawsuit about it
I'm so thankful to just buy singles for my PC from the comfort of my PC at home. Some sad greed sacks out there. Definitely gotta be on your toes in this hobby nowadays.
A redemption is only in packs because the company hasnt gotten the auto yet for various reasons. Thats on them, not on the buyer buying a box that has said number of autos in the box. In my opinion no redemption should expire, because again thats on the company who made the product for not having the card in time, not on a buyer who may buy or sell the box years later. Its a bigger scam making the valuable cards expire in boxes with guarenteed autos than backyard breaks swapping cards, because those conpanies are basically taking away your auto
Panini is not honoring any UFC redemptions, even if redeemed before their contract expiration with ufc and have been stringing people along for months. I'm waiting on 4 redemptions for over a year. Now my only option is a blaster pack of a different sport. Can we review that?
Expiration dates on redemptions aren't the same as expiration dates on food. Yeah, it sucks, but I would expect companies honoring them to be an exemption, not a rule.
@@SportscardLyle_onIG The Jordan certainly feels like much less of an issue than the Tatis. If a guy hits the second best redemption possible within a couple months of expiration on a card worth probably $20k raw, something has to be able to be done to take care of that person.
@@krisdehnert9271 I really don't think it's quite that valuable. Even graded a PSA 10, I would say it's unlikely to hit $100k. If a green auto /50 is worth $11k in a PSA 10 (as of 8/3/22) and a red non-auto sold for $15k in a BGS 10 in June, even a red auto in a PSA 10 or BGS 10 wouldn't hit $100k. That's not the real point though. It's clearly a 5 figure card and hitting it so close to expiration means you should receive something. I will always acknowledge the right of a company to set a limit on something like that, but I think 3 years is too short and they need to explicitly state which people are redemptions. A sapphire box loses value if the absolute best card in the product, a Tatis auto, can't be redeemed.
@@krisdehnert9271 6 figures? His 2016 bowman auto out of /99 just sold for $5500. There is no chance.a 2019 topps card goes for $100k. The other card is the greatest player in history of basketball, and the most recognizable person in the world. Who doesn’t do card shows or private signings because he is a billionaire. No matter what… the jordan card will always be more valuable. The only way tatis is worth a $100k is if he finishes with better stats than Barry Bonds.
I think Upper Deck should try to do something for the gentleman who pulled the expired redemption. It obviously can't be that card but don't they still have exclusive rights to MJ autos, among others?
I hit a baker mayfield immaculate rookie auto a few months after it was expired and panini sent me the card within 2 weeks. I guess topps or fanatics now is petty, and it gives a feel for what kind of business they are gonna be.
The sports card industry and hobby is tainted with greed and unfair practices all over the board and country. Trusting ANY of them is a Huge Gamble which usually involves shady moves and fast talking con men. The card hobby is trashed due to greedy adults looking for a fast dirty dollar. It’s nation wide damaged.
Tons of breakers are doing this on whatnot, I too was blocked when saying something. Weird how supporters of each channel will defend the action of taking cards off screen as if there's nothing wrong. Literally seen one breaker take it off the screen for each pull in the stack 🤔
On redemptions they should replace it or give them something of equal value. If they cannot, then they shouldn't be putting redemptions in card packs. There should also be no limit on redemption cards. If they can't find an equal value card to replace it, then cash of equal value to the card should be given. If they can't honor those terms, then don't put them in card packs period! It's bullshit anyway! Get a redemption and then send it in and wait up to 2yrs for the card!
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to give backyard breaks money. Besides the big news they have made, they are doing lots of three card monte shit with everything from their dice and cards to the breaks themselves. No breaker should ever take cards of camera. period.
Wow, I still can’t understand how they still have a following. The whole Kaboom disaster that blew up in their face should’ve ruined them. They said they sold the card, and “donated” the money. I don’t feel sorry for the people that throw their $ at them, I feel sorry for their parents, wives, or kids.
re: redemptions. yeah, it's gone. for sure. upper deck should still do *something.* for their own pr, if no other reason. golden opportunity for some free positive press.
I know that Upper Deck does a lottery deal for expired redemptions. Have seen it work pretty well for many collectors on Twitter. Now, I didn't submit a MJ redemption haha, so hard to level up on that one, but might be worth messaging upper deck and seeing if they would show some love on a redemption exchange of some sort.
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Interview with the dealer who was robbed: th-cam.com/video/nc03BTv0vDk/w-d-xo.html
The dealer is an idiot for letting the guy take those cards without a deal being in place while also checking to see if actual cash is in the boxes...
Facts. Dude knew him. Probably.knew he was dumb enough to fall for it. And its really his word vs other guy. I bet he doesnt get any reprocussions.
Oh and classic loss of sound-headed thinking by dealer getting so excited about potential deal he temporarily lost discipline to ensure he was not in process of a scam/theft.
@@houseandhobby6971 Exactly, never let anyone move your cards away from the table unless there cash in hand, though I do see it a lot on card show videos. I understand there's some trust between sellers and buyers, but I'd never let anyone walk with my cards without payment first. 🤷♂
What should be more concerning is how some Brick-and-Mortar stores can barely get 1 case of new product and people like BYB in their basements can get dozens of cases to over price to the public. Sickening. Pay close attention to what I'm saying because Topps just cancelled their biggest distributor.
People think Fanatics taking a monopoly on Football/baseball/basketball is good....it is going to be a TOTAL disaster. People are going to get pushed to alternative sports like UFC, F1, Soccer, etc...Panini will win out on ALL of this in the end. In 10 years we will all be looking back going "remember when Fanatics took over and failed?" This experiment will fail miserably.
@@moby1kanob panini? panini is just as incompetent as fanatics.
I wonder all the time how much backyard breaks and people as high uo as them pay for the box vs how much they sell one time in a break i did the math they had 6 ultimste sweats and 2 lower tier boxes and made like 6500 from spots being filled but the ehole time theybwere crying making people feel guilty for underbidding..
@@budgetcardbreaks I asked them the same thing and showed them my math. I was blocked instantly.
@@Wobu27 of course you were ///breakers charge 60% or more on top of cost
That's why opening old wax is beyond gambling. You pay thousands and get a massive hit but it's a redemption.
That's the guy at the booths fault. A.) Never give someone cards without money and let them walk away. B.) Never give someone cards without money and let them walk away. C.) Can't do anything about it guy was handed money and accepted it with checking
My brothers $1200 Herbert Card was stolen at the National. It was stolen by 2 kids that were like 12. He was very disappointed and the kids sold the card for 800 within 1 hour and then that person sold it for 900 within 30 minutes then he sold it for 950 and that person sold it for 1000. We did not catch the person who sold it but we tried.
cards should never leave the frame...even sometimes people i regularly break with(who i know for a fact are legit and good people) will sometimes take a card off screen by mistake, and i wonder if anyone new seeing that would think they were not 100% legit bc of it...the Backdoor Jabronies are a different breed tho(pun intended)...no matter how much wrong they do, the jabronie army will still throw their parent's $ at them...
I agree but if you go on twitch you can see thge live shot of them ripping face to face.
Literally what I thought. If you you're dumb enough to break with back yard breaks you're probably using your parents money.
They have multiple streams going at once with all different angles?
Do your reasearch, most of the viewers are watching on twitch where the cards are always in frame. They "sweat" the card only on the camera that is showing the card up close. Back Yard is totally legit!
@@johnmccombs8939 jabronie army reporting for duty
I’m surprised there is not more theft at the National or other big shows. Guys walking around with tons of cash and cards. Dealers cards basically unsecured. Ripe for a heist.
@Ozsportscard 2 I’m going to check out the Great Bookie Robbery. Thanks for the info. I had not heard of that before.
You dont think people aren't armed at the National? There's undercover security as well
Stolen cards like stolen artwork or stolen antiques are also very hard to sell, especially graded cards or serial numbered cards. Word gets out fast, people have scans and pictures. A card shop near me was broken into awhile back, the guy was caught within 3 days by trying trying to sell the cards
@Ozsportscard 2 sounds like that movie, I can't remember which one it was but these guys decided to do an armed robbery at a high stakes poker night at some gangsters house. "Do you have any idea who you are ripping off?" "You don't think we are gonna find out who you are?"
Back yard is true scums. People will never learn. Some people get off on abuse... facts
Yeah, scum of the hobby and the fact that they and others like them will get an exclusive Fanatics deal is such BS. All about that money
Watch on twitch cards never leave frame
Ummm, do your research, that is the camera that only views the cards. 2k people are watching on twitch where you see EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING.
You Sacramento boys best watch your back when calling out dudes from the mean streets of Lincoln, Nebraska. Backyard Breaks ripping off Barstool sports logo, while stealing straight from the pockets of their customers.
Dealer is stupid for letting the guy leave with the cards in the first place . Police will say it is a civil matter and dealer will need to take the scammer to court. Will be hard to prove in court. Look like dealer will lose those $80k worth of cards .
Ya the guy could say he left $100k, my word his word sort of a deal. I would have checked that money b4 he started handling that many cards or else it's look at 1 card at a time and I'll keep them with me back here
Backyard breaks is by far the shadiest room out there and they have no incentive to change their ways as customers just keep coming back and ignoring the many people they have screwed over because it did not happen to them personally. They ignore all the incredibly shady stuff and pretend nothing is wrong with it.
The more they keep getting away with the less likely they will ever change. In fact, the more shady stuff they do, the more they are rewarded by the room filling with new people. It is crazy how much they have gotten a pass on.
What shady stuff? Honestly what are you talking about? Say im new to the hobby, like what are you talking about? You go on about “the more shady stuff they do” … like what are some examples?
@@Migs-jn6vz Do a search for backyard breaks scams and you will get many examples. If you do not think taking cards off screen is shady than I do not know what else to tell you. They ran a promo and tried to keep the card until everyone called them out. They outright lied about what happened and acted like nothing was wrong despite thousands of people calling them out. They pulled fake items out of their own repacks and would not replace the hits for guys. Many other examples but people ignore the warning signs until it happens to them personally.
@@bobby2popsbreaks they don't take cards off stream. The fact you're repeating that BS means you've never even been on their twitch
@@bobby2popsbreaks You obviously haven't watched them at all. They show it all on their twitch stream, they have nothing to hide, they have a FULL SCREEN camera of themselves and the entire room, you can see the cards, their hands and everything, it might look weird on whatnot or tiktok but cmon man. I do agree the tlaw stuff was bs and was an awful look and a terrible thing to do!
Broke with back yard for 3 months lost over 100k.
All they care about is money + have no idea what cards are worth.
100k I think you have enough money to buy sealed cases and open them yourself
Wait what? You bought $100k in spots over a 3 month time?
A fool and his money soon part
God that Tatis redemption is brutal! I bet whoever is in charge of the redemptions at Topps jumps all over cards like that. At the stroke of midnight eastern they probably snatch up all the valuable cards and either steal them for their PC or sell them. They probably throw a party when the redemption for a card like that expires. I don't know what they go for now, but last year that card was definitely worth 5 figures.
Exactiy what happens. I actually knew a Topps rep who would backdoor the cards even before the redemption expired(couple months) and if someone pulled it, it was replaced, but he would take the chance on cards not being redeemed in time.
It was my redemption. Such BS man!
Bigger scam than backyard breaks
I am not a huge backyard breaks fan, but can give clarity on the 'out of camera' aspect. Essentially, what it really comes down to is the fact that they are simultaneously streaming all breaks on Tiktok and Twitch at the same time - and the cameras on twitch show the full table, so they never really have anything 'off camera'. If you are EXCLUSIVELY watching on TikTok, it might look like they pull things off camera to do something, but realistically if that was the case, they would have been caught doing it from their twitch crowd.
Now you might ask, well why don't they just keep everything on camera for TikTok as well? In reality, it's because on TikTok, there is only the 16:9 camera that you can use, so they have to utilize it best way they can, which means mainly close-up shots. For anyone that's sketched out, they can switch to viewing on Twitch (to where they can actually see everything), but it's just a less desirable viewing experience for some people.
yeah, this exactly, you can see it on twitch, they push them out only on TikTok
thats fine but
why block him for asking
NO as a former streamer you can have the same set up you have on twitch as youtube as facebook as tiktok as anything
last but not least IF ITS BIG MONEY and my card doesnt show for more then 1 second of my break - screw them people
we aint talking 40 cent pack of bubble gum packs we talking real money
@@russplaysgames9210 I totally understand, I wish they would stream on TH-cam too. But I also understand they're trying to build suspense by not showing that next card when flipping the top one over, it's a balancing act.
@@russplaysgames9210 as for why ban him for simply asking the question, I think they have so many trolls in their chats they don't have time to deal with sorting through legitimate criticism and BS trolls so they just ban them all 🤷🏻♂️
@@curt__941 and i can tell you as a former streamer that looks and feels alot shadier then just responding with hey check this link out - using trolls as a excuse for bad behavior - still means bad behavior
ignore the shady tactics of BYB, the way the act ALONE is enough to turn me away lol. If UD wanted some good publicity, they could hook dude up with something im sure. obviously they arent obligated to do anything, nor would i expect them to had i pulled it.
yea they look and prolly sound annoying
Ya UD don't owe that guy anything and if they do "hook him up" is it really good publicity or are they just opening a barrel of monkeys? What about the 1000s of others who didn't get "hooked up" who had redemptions that expired? now you got a bunch of people mad at you and they all think UD owes them now too. Now you have all these people going online saying why was he hooked up but I wasnt? "My redem was only 3 years expired not 20 years, UD better hook me up" Then you also get all the people who would say "he must know somebody high up there" . Sounds like hooking dude up would be bad publicity to me.
This channel is turning into my favorite. There shouldn't be a expiration date on any redemptions is my opinion.
The worst part is, they had me send the Redemption card in just in case they could locate the card so now I don't even have that. Thank God I took photos and videos of the entire process in case I need them
That was World Class Grifting! The Hobby is full of criminals and scumbags. Backyard breaks should change their name to Bending Over in your backyard! They are complete shit bag's, dude where do find these clowns? Great video my friend.
Brokeback Mountain.... Breaks
Backyard is truly honest and give back most to the hobby. Do your research and just don't buy into hater videos.
@@johnmccombs8939 thanks for shilling for a bunch of guys who literally couldn't give two flying Fs about the Hobby. So how much does BB pay you to shill for thier breaks?
Backyard breaks are the biggest joke in the hobby. I can’t stand them. They always pull their cards off screen. They always manage to hit the biggest cards conveniently.
An excellent point to open your redemption boxes and DO NOT hoard them after redemption expiration.....
Weird advice..what is a redemption box lol?
@@vinceperrotta2763 you get a redemption card that says send it back to the company and they will send you the auto card directly to you ...... it expires though so either open before expiration or sell before expiration but do one or the other. ...
But if you are ripping older product, you don't know if something has a redemption in it for the most part...until you actually pull it from the pack.
@@danmule4131 education takes effort... research etc...
So, I watch backyard breaks almost daily. I've bought into 3 $2500 breaks and had no issues receiving my product. As far as the issue of taking cards off screen, you only see that on tiktok. They do that to keep the suspense. They are always streaming simultaneously on Twitch where you can see everything in full view. Before you pass judgment I would suggest checking out their TH-cam page where they walk you through their entire setup from when they rip the cards to when they end up in your mailbox.
We have investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty your honor.
😂😂😂 which one are you dumb or dumber
They were seen switching cards.
Thoughts on a hit tracker / redemption tracker? Why isn't there one to track when big hit are pulled, graded, sold etc? It would also help to track products with redemptions and expiring. Am I missing this?
Thank you as always
Card companies don't want that bc 1 shows how hit cards not inserted in product or can't insert due to tardiness. 2 the secondary market can increase or decrease demand in product like the major hits are gone dead product or product 5x in price due to all the majors is being available.
That would involve resources and continued upkeep of automated tech. It would be pretty awesome to know..even for the cards not numbered to see how many were redeemed.
@@redzwestisbest not trying to boil the ocean, but tracking top products top rookies top vets of top hits etc There is web crawling scripts to grab data. I’d even reward people for reporting hits etc. also great for fraud. I agree with earlier comment there’s powers against this info too
@@ZiggyNo not sure what you implying. I was simply implying that once the card was redeemed, we would know which have been.
The hobby never ceases to amaze me! Backyard breaks? If they're not doing anything wrong? Why block the guy? Expired redemption from 20 yrs? Probably can't do anything. 5 weeks expired? Topps needs to consider waiving and ship. Good topics as usual. 👍
They block for fun and get tired of uneducated people telling them not to take cards off screen when more people are watching on the cameras showing everything
I remember ripping a ton of a product called Visions and pulling a bunch of memorabilia redemption cards. Tons of juicy stuff like Willie Mays autographed bats. Then the company filed for bankruptcy and we all got nothing.
They should always honor the redemption. It’s BS a redemption card became a thing really. That’s how they weasel the customer out of the actual card right? An expired redemption..? To put an expiration date on any card is ridiculous I don’t care who you are
I completely agree. I have little problem with redemptions for cards they are just having a hard time getting, but making them expire is just a scam. If they aren't willing to ensure autos done before launch, then they need to ensure they are available when the redemption is sent in, anytime from the time it's pulled to the time the card company goes out of business
All redemption cards should be honored no matter what
I recently got a 2 week expired redemption from 19-20 platinum and upper deck said they would honor for 1 year past the expiration date. It was a red prism auto of Noah dobson and I got it a week after my submission claim
Why hasn’t somebody filed a complaint against these companies in regards to expiration. These redemptions are basically gift cards and gift cards even if they have an expiration date, do not expire. Upper Deck and Topps should be liable to give something in return.
They aren't gift cards hahaha. Not even close to a gift card. Plus it says right on the box, packaging "time sensitive redemptions could be included" and it gives the date they expire. It's just like a government issued lottery ticket. My GF found several scratch tickets that she never scratched from a couple years prior, she buys tons of them and some time she will buy such a big stack it takes her days if not weeks to scratch them. Anyways, they had expired about 3 months previous, I told her to throw them out because I said if you win big you will kick yourself the rest of your life. She didn't listen. She decided to scratch them anyways, and won $50 bucks but they wouldn't except it. $50 bucks not a big deal, but a lesson learned.
That dude in the first story must be a grade A conman, how do you talk someone out of $100k worth of cards with only a box full of $1 dollar bills?
I will tell ya! I was watching BYB on TikTok and Twitch a couple months ago when NT Football released. They were doing a break and said they were going to place a “fresh case” of NT Football in with the already massive break they had going on. The NT case was not on their table or in view. The breaker walks away to get the case and comes back with an open case. This “fresh case” was not sealed when brought on camera. The breaker then takes the hobby boxes from the open “case box”. I made a comment on the TikTok channel asking, “how do buyers know if those were from a fresh case if the case was opened off camera?” I was then immediately blocked! I will NEVER participate in a break with BYB. They lack many important qualities that breakers should possess and one of the most important is TRANSPARENCY!! You never open cases/boxes off camera! Also, I do not see that they upload or record their breaks. They will edit their breaks to show “hits” and upload a snippet of the break. I have never been able to re-watch one of their breaks! Too much shadiness going on and lack of transparency is very concerning! I don’t know why people break with them!
If this many people are getting blocked for questioning their ethics of doing stuff out of camera view it's quite obvious shady stiff is going on. The "fresh case" of NT probably already had the case hit gone. EVERYTHING has to be done on camera, nothing should ever be out of sight even for 2 seconds
@@misguidedangel6550 ABSOLUTELY!! When it comes to breaks, the breaker should always have TRANSPARENCY to their customers. If you lack transparency, you should not have the following that they have! People follow them like they are cult leaders and defend them even when they are doing wrong. I have participated in breaks since 2010 and I would NEVER break with them due to their lack of transparency and how they handle sports cards in general. They don't care about protecting your investment which is what breaks are, an investment. They have races to see who can open packs the quickest! Who cares about that? Protect your buyers investment!! If any other breaker business did a giveaway and opened the giveaway to a big hit and then decided that the card pulled was to expensive for a giveaway, they would have been chastised so much that they would have lost their business! Not these guys with their following though. It is cult like in my opinion!
The old... hold my cards. Who just let's someone walk away with 80k in cards without even checking if the money's right?
Seems like the thing could be some form of insurance fraud since they know each other?
I pulled an expired Ovie rookie auto earlier this year. I still havent reached out to Upper Deck. Anxiety-inducing
You should reach out sooner than later even though your probably not going to get it, but they do have their redemption raffle program and I have seen Mcdavid and Mathews Rookie autos given out for replacements so you should still get something quality for it
Class action lawsuit against Backyard breaks. all customers be refunded in full !
Dumbest thing I ever heard. Everything they do is on multiple cameras, even the packaging and sorting on the cards.
With Fanatics in control of Topps now,that could be the reason they are not honoring any expired redemption
Topps has always been notorious for not honoring expired redemptions no matter the amount of time passed. UD used to give a years grace period after expiration, not sure if they still do. I’ve seen Panini fill expired hockey redemps several years after expiration, though these were on the lower end.
Redemption's are a crime in this hobby. So sad to see 2 of the biggest card's in the hobby as expired Redemption's. 🤦♂️ and backyard breaks have to be scammers to make any money. Just as bad as old G from platinum breaks. (fucks wit me)🤣
Blocking people is one of the shadiest things around. Perhaps Topps may have never made the card of Tatis. I got a Paul Pierce redemption and cost more to redeem than it sells for.
They are stacking hits for friends and other employees planted in the stream.
It’s always other breakers in there getting spots
I’m just over buying breaks from those channels
@@2for99cents I would say you made a very wise choice. There are many people losing 50k+ before coming to this understanding
first thing, the first story if it was a song itd be "3 booths down" ..the Jordan redemption ouch you ain't seeing that card, they maybe will send something of value though. (doubt it)
If you're opening a box 20 years after the fact, it's at your own risk. UD doesn't owe him anything.
Well they need to specify on the box what the redemptions are and when they expire on the box instead of advertising big names that are no longer possible to pull... That's not fair to the consumer because the value of these old boxes shouldn't cost as much as they do if specific cards are no longer possible to be pulled... They shouldn't have expired redemptions anyways... I'm sick of cards anyways...
Should just get rid of redemption, total scam. If topps n panin have to hold back the release date of products because of players auto so be it. I'd rather wait then get a redemption card and have to wait for months or years just to get screwed n have panini or topps say sorry we don't t have tat card but here is a replacement card or panini points.
To clarify as this has all popped up in the sport card community I've offered to reach out to the gentleman in ohio seeing he lives real real close to me but can't get a response🤣 I've come to conclude after all the story's popping up and inconsistent story's from the people involved this screams INSURANCE FRAUD
Redemption should not be a thing. What if we told these companies we don't pay for the box until we have all the cards we are promised when we make a purchase. I have Redemptions at panini that's been ordered 4 years ago but they still have my money. smh.
It should be illegal for companies to include redemptions.
Thia is why redemptions are stupid, if you're not going to keep the cards until ALL of the redemptiona are turned in, DO NOT MAKE REDEMPTIONS WTF?
Is there no legal jargon on the back of redemption cards? There has to be a time line, right?
There’s an expiration date
According to topps they honor all redemptions up to 1 year after exp and if they have the card even longer so something tells me they sold that card as soon or b4 the exp was up
I truely hope that you are opening the minds of people in the hobby. As always, great content. Thank you!
Backyard was not taking the cards off camera as they were also streaming on twitch and with a front facing full view. Anyone that watches them on twitch which is their main venue knows that. People are always going to hate them because of a mistake they made up for in a huge way and all parties were satisfied.
Why didn't the dealer count the cash before giving the buyer 29 cards? I don't understand.
Can you recommend packs or boxes for my 5 year old starting out.
Isn’t upper deck defunct now? Bummer.
Since I mainly deal in hockey, I know UD does put expired redemptions into a raffle depending on what value it's at. That being said, I pulled a Sidney Crosby auto patch redemption /25 from 16-17 The Cup at the start of covid and immediately sent it in. It has been 2 years and I'm still waiting, and not holding my breath.
100%
People in the hobby are so weirdly dumb and trusting. So strange how everyone acts nice but also so much theft etc
so true... "since your such a good customer im gonna give you 50% off that counterfiet card" haha.
Screw back yard breaks would never use them for a break. As for redemption 20yrs old tough luck bud, how ever 5 weeks old cmon you can't tell me its not around and if so did they sell it? Give something for the hobbyist geez. And last if anyone opens a box if you know redemptions are expired or could be think carefully about opening seriously.
Even 20 years later a company should be forced to produce the fair market value to the person claiming the card. They should create a national storage facility where the card companies are required to send the cards to be redeemed to be kept in perpetuity until claimed.
100%! It was my redemption, and though I would absolutely love to have that card, I told them to just figure out a different way to make it right and I would be fine but still nothing
@@krisdehnert9271 yeah that’s definitely not fair with the purpose of opening up old boxes if all you’re gonna get is a piece of cardboard that has no value. That’s like 2017-18 basketball Donovan Mitchell is redemption in most of the sets he is in so imagine getting a first of the line national treasure box and getting the redemption of a first off the line RPA Donovan Mitchell and not getting it redeemed Due to the expiration date
I know my example isn’t nearly as traumatizing as your mom Michael Jordan. Lol.
Imagine if they never expired and there was a list of how many of those Michael Jordan‘s have been redeemed? That would boost the sales of the boxes for sure (if there were myany left)
But the problem is all the boxes are now resale not from the original supplier so they don’t care to do this
That's ridiculous. Ask the government if they will fulfill an expired loterry ticket. There will redemption cards that are NEVER pulled. Even in 50 years, someone will have wax 70 years old with remptions inside, that never get opened
I knew there was going to be some BIG TIME hanky panky going on at the white national
I run a few small breaks and spoke out against byb for them straight up stealing that kaboom and was harassed endlessly by them and fake accounts on ebay
Stay away from BleacherBreaks and it's subaccount.
Upper Deck has a 2nd chance raffle and you can get some really great items from it, there are like 3 tiers for the values of expired redemptions, this Jordan would get the highest tier and you would probably still get a UD Jordan Auto memorabilia but you won't get this card as it was probably given to someone else a long time ago in a 2nd chance raffle. Topps on the other hand you just get screwed, I would be livid because they keep the expirations live for 1 year after expiration date but they don't say who gets them or where they go after that, you just get the shaft.
Redemptions are bad business
If the card doesn't exist in physical form it should be advertised on the package as "the following cards are redemptions:"
If it goes past the expiration they should have a policy to get something as low as store credit.
I got stuff stolen from me at the show. A Super VIP Parking pass and a iPhone charging cable. Minor to me since I was beyond overprotective of me $20K Cristiano Ronaldo 1/1 24 karat gold frame dual patch PSA 9 Slab.
CR7? 🤮
@@aaronjohnson3463 I met the guy who had the same exact card, but with Messi, at the show. He didn’t bring it with him.
@@aaronjohnson3463 true…. Only one of the futbol hobby’s most sought after players…
You are a 🤡
aren't "redemptions" a bit of a scam? why tf wouldn't they just put the cards in the pack?? if they are going to play that game, they shouldn't be allowed to put an expire date less then 25 years imo.
My question is why they usually put a 2 year expiration date on redemptions but there’s guys who have waited for multiple years to receive redemptions? I understand that they can’t honor it until the guy signs but what if the card isn’t signed for 3 years. Why is that redemption expired in 2 years. I know I’m not conveying this message quite right but hopefully someone understands what I am saying. I understand that the expiration date is the time frame you have to redeem the code but I don’t understand why they do that when they themselves have no idea when that card will be signed and returned and no idea when that box of cards will be opened. It’s stupid.
$80,000 in cards =$3 worth of paper and another man's picture. Since we are on the subject of scams.
Years ago, someone wrote a tell all book about uper Deck and in particular, Richard McWilliams. It claimed after Topps held it's amazing Archives Auction, that UD started printing and stashing their own "Archives" for "down the road", LOL, you can read it in the book!
I Have a Fernando Tatis Jr Rookie Autograph Red Refractor # /5 on Goldin Auction RIGHT NOW ending 8/6/22 Let’s see what I get.
That Tatis rejection makes me wonder 💭. Redemption non fulfillment is designed to not deliver the desired card . Particularly in the case of low population numbered cards there should be no expiration date & held in vault to ensure it goes to the person who presents the promised redemption card . You can’t predict the behaviour of unethical employees taking advantage of this situation . History has shown many examples of manufacturers shady practices like the 89 UD Griffey Jr. Authentication companies grew out of lack of trust in the industry which didn’t eliminate BBCE ability to mislead consumers.
The dealer should never have let him walk away with the cards your son is ants to see them he can come over and look at them
Backyard Breakers will always be scumbags
Don’t like redemptions. That said they clearly state “may contain redemptions with expiration dates”. Empathy? Sure. Sympathy? Nope.
Legally speaking upper deck can’t do anything about the MJ Redemption because they can’t legally make NBA logoed basketball cards. They have actually been sued in a class action lawsuit about it
I'm so thankful to just buy singles for my PC from the comfort of my PC at home. Some sad greed sacks out there. Definitely gotta be on your toes in this hobby nowadays.
Upper deck should not have to honour the redemption. It's on the dude for buying older boxes. That's part of the game.
When I first saw the blonde guy with the cut-off shirt, I thought I’m in the wrong hobby. Most exercise that guy gets is through self-pleasuring.
A redemption is only in packs because the company hasnt gotten the auto yet for various reasons. Thats on them, not on the buyer buying a box that has said number of autos in the box. In my opinion no redemption should expire, because again thats on the company who made the product for not having the card in time, not on a buyer who may buy or sell the box years later. Its a bigger scam making the valuable cards expire in boxes with guarenteed autos than backyard breaks swapping cards, because those conpanies are basically taking away your auto
Backyard breaks are a bunch of jokers. That laugh are the way to the bank because people don’t see their deception. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Slight of hand ...never know do to make pass the blame game.
Redemptions are the biggest scam
Panini is not honoring any UFC redemptions, even if redeemed before their contract expiration with ufc and have been stringing people along for months. I'm waiting on 4 redemptions for over a year. Now my only option is a blaster pack of a different sport. Can we review that?
Expiration dates on redemptions aren't the same as expiration dates on food. Yeah, it sucks, but I would expect companies honoring them to be an exemption, not a rule.
You can’t have inventory sitting around for 20 years. But, Jordan is signed with Upper deck. I’m sure they can find him something close
@@SportscardLyle_onIG The Jordan certainly feels like much less of an issue than the Tatis. If a guy hits the second best redemption possible within a couple months of expiration on a card worth probably $20k raw, something has to be able to be done to take care of that person.
The Fernando Tatis Junior card is six figures easy... and I even offered to let them compensate me in a different way with other cards or sealed wax
@@krisdehnert9271 I really don't think it's quite that valuable. Even graded a PSA 10, I would say it's unlikely to hit $100k. If a green auto /50 is worth $11k in a PSA 10 (as of 8/3/22) and a red non-auto sold for $15k in a BGS 10 in June, even a red auto in a PSA 10 or BGS 10 wouldn't hit $100k. That's not the real point though. It's clearly a 5 figure card and hitting it so close to expiration means you should receive something. I will always acknowledge the right of a company to set a limit on something like that, but I think 3 years is too short and they need to explicitly state which people are redemptions. A sapphire box loses value if the absolute best card in the product, a Tatis auto, can't be redeemed.
@@krisdehnert9271 6 figures? His 2016 bowman auto out of /99 just sold for $5500. There is no chance.a 2019 topps card goes for $100k. The other card is the greatest player in history of basketball, and the most recognizable person in the world. Who doesn’t do card shows or private signings because he is a billionaire. No matter what… the jordan card will always be more valuable. The only way tatis is worth a $100k is if he finishes with better stats than Barry Bonds.
I think Upper Deck should try to do something for the gentleman who pulled the expired redemption. It obviously can't be that card but don't they still have exclusive rights to MJ autos, among others?
You cant hold UD responsible for redemptions from 2003/04 that's just ridiculous. Redeems have an expirey and that's it
I hit a baker mayfield immaculate rookie auto a few months after it was expired and panini sent me the card within 2 weeks. I guess topps or fanatics now is petty, and it gives a feel for what kind of business they are gonna be.
I was really hoping that they were going to come through for me but they just didn't. At least not yet
I waited 3 years for a jesus luzardo redemption from panini. Redemption are trash
Most Backyard streams have like 4 different angles lol... Dude looks at one angle and thinks he knows the hobby.
Hopefully you blow them too
i sent in a 2019 topps finest Acuna rookie auto 3 DAYS LATE and they told me to pound sand.
UD will probably sent sealed product of hockey for MJ redemption, lol.
Time to do away with redemption cards
The sports card industry and hobby is tainted with greed and unfair practices all over the board and country.
Trusting ANY of them is a Huge Gamble which usually involves shady moves and fast talking con men.
The card hobby is trashed due to greedy adults looking for a fast dirty dollar.
It’s nation wide damaged.
Tons of breakers are doing this on whatnot, I too was blocked when saying something. Weird how supporters of each channel will defend the action of taking cards off screen as if there's nothing wrong. Literally seen one breaker take it off the screen for each pull in the stack 🤔
Corruption grows wherever money is found
I don’t think redemption cards shouldn’t have an expiration
On redemptions they should replace it or give them something of equal value. If they cannot, then they shouldn't be putting redemptions in card packs. There should also be no limit on redemption cards. If they can't find an equal value card to replace it, then cash of equal value to the card should be given. If they can't honor those terms, then don't put them in card packs period! It's bullshit anyway! Get a redemption and then send it in and wait up to 2yrs for the card!
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to give backyard breaks money. Besides the big news they have made, they are doing lots of three card monte shit with everything from their dice and cards to the breaks themselves. No breaker should ever take cards of camera. period.
Why would he ever try to steal the cards if the dealer knew him? And they found him quickly? I don't understand how he could be so stupid.
Wow, I still can’t understand how they still have a following. The whole Kaboom disaster that blew up in their face should’ve ruined them. They said they sold the card, and “donated” the money. I don’t feel sorry for the people that throw their $ at them, I feel sorry for their parents, wives, or kids.
re: redemptions. yeah, it's gone. for sure. upper deck should still do *something.* for their own pr, if no other reason. golden opportunity for some free positive press.
Thats nuts. The dealer should have known better though.
Always send them in, you never know. However, the expiration date is the expiration date!!!
I know that Upper Deck does a lottery deal for expired redemptions. Have seen it work pretty well for many collectors on Twitter. Now, I didn't submit a MJ redemption haha, so hard to level up on that one, but might be worth messaging upper deck and seeing if they would show some love on a redemption exchange of some sort.
I mean he should be able to get a very high end hockey card from then to recoup some losses