Cole, just stumbled on your channel. I also have a Logosol F8, mainly use it for milling rough 6x6. Power head is the 661. You have some great points. Most of the time I do find the mill to be a main in the ass. But the fact that I can carry the mill to the tree is why I have this rig on the wood lot. Thanks again.
This is one of the best videos I've seen about chainsaw milling and points out practical aspects for consideration. I have been thinking about whether to get a Granberg and I'm now thinking that what I probably need is to find a local with a mill (actually a neighbor has one) who would be willing to mill my timber for me. I will rarely be cutting timber that I would want useable lumber from (mostly now I am cutting firewood), and I can always get one later if it becomes a more serious endeavor.
I have a farmmac 660, it's a clone of the ms660. Haven't had that many problems with it. You're right about idling the saw before and especially after every cut, they need to cool down.
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 when I say problems, I didn't say what they were. I also have one of those overpriced german saws. I can buy 5 farmmacs for the price of one ms660/661 and that german saw won't last any longer.
@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Cole's chainsaw mechanic friend must be working on clones only. Professionals should get best brands they could get, new homesteaders or DIYers may need good clones which is better than a no chainsaw. All chainsaws are made in China or made with Chinese parts especially German manufacturers. How do you think they make such good clones?
I have a Holzfforma g070 105 cc power head. I've been using it for 4 years now. This is the first year i've had difficulty starting it. I have ordered tune up bits. It still has great compression. I've been using it primarily on sweet gum and pine, with the occasional red oak and am only running a 42" bar.
Thanks for this info! I would add that a chainsaw mill gives you the liberty to cut logs where they fall. This is a great advantage if the logs are located in a hard-to-access area. Personally, I'm in an urban area (Atlanta) looking into chainsaw milling because I don't want to buy a tractor and grapple to move big logs onto a sawmill, nor do I have the space to store a tractor or sawmill. I want to cut them where they landed and easily carry the boards. If someone's tree falls in their fenced-in yard, I can't get all that equipment in there. But with a chainsaw mill I can cut it where it landed AND they get free mulch! Is it tedious? Yes. But getting all the equipment required for sawmilling takes a lot of added time and manpower as well, so in my situation where I'm just doing this as a side hustle in an urban area, chainsaw milling seems to make the most sense.
Best chainsaw milling video on TH-cam! Every other video just shows milling. You teach the finer points of milling. Bandsaw miller's can learn from this video also. 👍
Great points. I have a bandsaw mill and it's great for logs that I can get to and transport with my tractor. On my property, I also have a lot of dead standing / downed trees that I either can't get to easily with my tractor or, they're simply too big for my tractor or my bandsaw mill. Slabbing out a 36" Honey Locust where it fell means I get access to wood that I would otherwise not.
Simple - freehand chainsaw square it, cut in 1/2, attach temp. small wheels/axles to fr. & back. Easy to transport with sm. mower. I use a converted elec. handicap scooter and/or sm. winch.
Very informative and good information to consider. I'm at that place of Chainsaw Mill or Bandsaw mill and you gave me a lot to think about on Pros/Cons I've not seen elsewhere. Thank you Sir!
I've got a farmertec ms660. It was purchased as a bax of parts and assembled by myself. Some OEM STIHL parts were used in place of the kit parts. It's also a good idea to upgrade to a high flow oiler if you plan to use it for milling. There is a lot more kerf waste with a chainsaw mill than a band mill, but the portability can't be beat. I can just toss the equipment in the back of my truck, head to a site, or atop when I see a log I like, and get to work. You take the mill to the wood, not the wood to the mill. The final cut slabs are much easier to movw than an entire log. A bandsaw mill will use less fuel per cut and the amount of physical effort will be much greater for the chainsaw. There are a lot of tradeoffs on both sides and I guess if one were to do it as a business it would be worth having both in the long run.
I like this “perspective” video on milling idea. I really appreciate you bringing something new to the milling space, most videos on milling are the same exact video, with different faces, saying the same thing. I like the bar stock/rebar idea, very original. The absolute best tips video I’ve applied is on flowering elbow’s channel. I think it’s 20 tips for milling or something. The repeatable quality I got from board to board is amazing. I popped a saw doing this, so now I keep things real clean blowing myself off then blowing the saw out with compressed air with every tank filling. I know not practical for some but I’m a carpenter, I have a couple hundred feet of air hose so I might as well use it.
Nice to know. I'm in the process of just getting started in doing some milling. First tree is a bed frame, footboard and headboard the second is a few bridges need to be built through the woods for the bigger tractor and pickup truck to retrieve firewood and the lumber. Note the bridges aren't very long or wide but need to support the tractor weight and the lumber. 3rd project is a home made kiln. The dryer wood will be used in my wood lathe. So far I've turned a few small projects, I hate buying lumber having it at my disposal. I've looked into an Alaskan mill, don't know how good the quality is
I've had a granberg Alaskan mill and mini mill for 12 years and they're quality is great. I started off milling with a stihl ms310, but upgrading to a ms441c. With a 28" bar I was milling 25" oak,maple,and tulip poplar. Keeping your chains sharp and making good first cuts are the key to your satisfaction with them. I bought multiple chains so I could just switch em out and keep milling. It's slow enough without having to stop and sharpen. I think I'd stay away from the chinese knockoffs because of lack of replacement parts and questionable quality
I have both the chainsaw mill and a small bandsaw mill the max log on my mill is about 20 in.. Clearing on our farm i often run into much larger logs my granburg mill and 660 clone saw allows me to make a few cuts and then Mr Sawmill takes over from there!
We have been working with a husqvarna 3120xp with a 33in bar and ripping chain for 15 yrs. Reg maintenance and proper startup shutdown were presently building a square lig cabin on our land as a hunt 🏕
I have used chainsaw mills for 30 years - I use a Stihl 090AV (137 cc) which can cut anything including spikes because it’s a long stroke engine - I only use it for large timber that cannot be easily brought to a mill! It is great for 2”-3” live edge slabs on special logs. Cutting dimensional lumber with a chainsaw mill is not worth you time. You can get a Woodland Mills bandsaw for $3500 - and it’s a good mill!
Thank you for indepth information, I plan to build a wrap around deck on my property and the current lumber price was gonna be like 6,000, since I have 4 acres and a lot of decent trees to mill I believed it will be more cost efficient to mill my own wood, now I have a solid confirmation thank you
Best practice is to consider a 'chainsaw mill' as a slabbling mill only- use it at the landing for 'break of bulk'- and then air dry as 8"-14" posts for a season. It's marginally efficient enough for resawing those into 2" dimensional lumber, but for 1", always bandsaw. For big logs (over 20") they're a much better value than most bandmills, and I hate the problems small bandmills have with larger logs. For pure penny pinching goodness, my favorite use for them is in maximizing the value of those few firewood logs that show promise, even though they graded out of any sawlog category, not to mention roadside and sugarbush trees. My stove doesn't care if the wood is flat, and if I can pull some beautiful hardwood planks out 'for free', I've paid for the mill- as you said, you need a 'big' saw anyway! I use old Pioneer 650's with 30"+ bars to mill and buck big logs, and a small, light, modern, high rpm saw for woods work and limbing.
my friend put a longer bar on a electric chainsaw. 1 1/2 horsepower doesn't even get hot. he runs off an inverter with solar panels and batteries. calls it his solar powered chainsaw Mill
This is really helpful. Me and my wife want to build a horse barn. A small one. And also prepare lumber to build a garage. But i think its worth chainsaw milling enyway. It will be some mouth work. A chainsaw milli is less complicated than a portabel bandsaw mill. All things around before its possible to start working is to much money... Chainsaw mill is more work but the end of the days cost is much much lower than buy everything expensive wood material from the store...
I heard those Chinese saws aren't too bad, so I bought a barely used 372 from a person, but unfortunately it broke down on just the 3rd cut milling through a large (32") white pine, so I ended up getting a husqvarna 592xp, fixed the holzfforma and sold it. I'd say they're just fine for felling and bucking, though.
im getting the 660 clone and the milling assembly because yarding logs without a tractor is pretty much impossible and often times illegal. chainsaw mill gets you into the mix without the heavy equipment
I have both. I look forward to running my bandsaw mill every time I come up with a new project. I cringe every time I have to use my homemade chainsaw mill, mostly because I know how sore I am going to be for 2 days after. The bandsaw mill was considerably more expensive at &11,500, compared to the $100 it cost me to make the chainsaw mill. I already owned the 262xp so most of the expense was the 24” bar and ripping chain. The other big hurdle with a bandsaw mill is handling logs. Without a piece of heavy equipment it’s very difficult to feed a bndsaw mill.
I bought a chainsaw mill and a MS-391 but I can't plane but 15 inches so my lumber (slabs) can't be more than the 15 inches . Do I have enough saw for that ? Have a blessed one and let me know what you think please .
Another big advantage to an Alaskan mill is that you rip the lumber where the tree was felled, and don’t have to transport heavy lumber to the mill. Not really an issue for industrial forestry who build roads for this exact purpose, but a boon to the small scale diyer, especially when you’re selectively felling trees
I started milling back in the early 1980's, bought a brand new Jonsereds 910E and a Grandberg Alaskan Mill 36 inches. Did my last milling in the late 90's. The most significant thing learned by me was the physical strain of milling, it is taxing on the body to the max. I never had a hiccup with that Jonsered, out here in the Pacific Northwest I collected Black Walnut, Big Leaf Maple and Sycamore. I had a bunch of black walnut that were years old logs, dry and hard. I always rested my saw with idling, a guy has to have some savvy using a saw or you will smoke them. I also ran 32:1 oil. I never even tore that saw down for maintenance of any kind until this past winter. Did so because now I am collecting vintage saws and the ones I had were the first ones I started restoration on. Piston and cylinder is in premium condition, carbon build up was under a mm thick. Seals are still good, rebuilt the carb and replumbed the fuel lines for the first time. JUst take care of the saw by not pushing it and feed it a good oil mix. Oh yeah, I tried a variety of chains but settled on standard link with about a 10 degree cutter, Never did have good luck with skip chain of any kind. Kept the bars and chains in excellent working condition. And I made and auxillary oil tank that mounted on the far end of the mill, fed oil to the bar groove through a hole drilled just behind the sprocket assembly, keeping that chain well oiled is essential, less power robbing on the power head and chains and bars go more miles. A good read for chainsaw mill enthusiasts if Chainsaw Lumber Making by Will Maloof (sp?) he was a Canadian and had some real good instruction to offer in the book.
I always wonder about the chainsaw engines getting tilted by 90 degrees during the milling process. How does that negatively affect the internal lubrication, and the chainsaws' lifetime? You would think they should be used in upright position or getting returned to that position during use. Just like you wouldn't want to drop your motorbike and leave the engine running idle in that position.... So how is a chainsaw engine coping with this? I don't do any milling, I just enjoy the videos. 😊 From Germany
i have a chinese ms 660 paid 450 5 yrs ago and put about 400 into it . i got a granberg 36 inch bar and 4 ripping chains . most of my wood in the northwest is softer so i have no issues with the saw . i dont use it as much as id like but i maybe have 100 slabs cut to date . subscribed
How about a Sthil 500i? I have a husky 562 that may work for smaller boards. I have lodgepole pine and blue spruce. Few are over 24" Wish I still had my extension ladder, it melted in a fire.
Hi Raiarii, I’ve never used an Oregon ripping chain, but I have used Oregon standard cross cut chains. They are very similar to the Stihl yellow link chains with a 30 or 35 deg file on all teeth. Using a ripping chain with a 0 or 10 degree file will help keep your chain sharp for longer while milling and will typically make straighter, cleaner cuts.
Lol, if your friend manages a chainsaw repair and hates having repeat customers, something is wrong 😂 He should be loving the fact that people keep breaking things that he gets to fix, beautiful buisness.
Well I reckon if this is correct I shouldn’t get a chainsaw mill. I ain’t spending $1700 on a saw. And time your done buying a saw for the purpose and chain for the purpose and the mill why not just buy a bandsaw mill and be done? I had thought to buy a 50cc saw and a mill and make beams and board of fallen trees on my place
Use a chainsaw mill to make it into sizes manageable for the smaller bandsaw mill! For example, a 36 inch log could be cut into quarters they'd be about 18" on each ends.
The reason why 'dimensional' lumber is smaller is that it is cut green to the nominal size, then kiln dried (which reduces the size by a small amount) and the dressed on 4 faces. In order not to have every board being a different size (shrinkage might be different on each board), they are all milled to the 'standard' dimensional sizes.
Things to know before buying a chainsaw mill, and here I didn't even know that was a thing. Been looking into making or buying a bandsaw to cut boards, and the price is almost always too high for me. Good to know there is another alternative :D
I dont have any experience with this, but i would also imagine that another advantage of a chainsaw mill is that you can mill the tree where it is at without having to move it. Once milled it becomes a lot easier to carry out the individual boards. Is that a fair use case?
Correct! A log easily weighs hundreds of pounds and can be over a ton for large trees. Even make them into smaller pieces to move to a bandsaw mill to finish the individual pieces is another option.
I have a chainsaw mill, and holzforma, use it when logs are to big for my little bandsaw mill, cut logs into cants then put them on my bandsaw mill... so far the holzforma has been fine, just a few logs so far... wouldn't want to use a chainsaw mill for everything I cut...
Cole this was an awesome introduction video to milling. I work with chainsaws for my job and am used to square sharpening with machine and round filing by hand. Just wanted to know if you sharpen your milling chain by hand or machine? And also if you were able to make a video that would be awesome!
Hello, I am from Tahiti and really appreciate your video, may you tell me if is really better to make a granberg milling chain (I mean take out with a grinder the half of teeth every two) Regards Raiarii
Hi Raiarii, yes having a milling chain helps take the workload off your powerhead and makes cuts faster with less effort required by the saw. A milling chain also will stay sharper for longer than a crosscut chain will when ripping with the grain instead of cross cutting against it.
The biggest thing I found since chainsaw milling is the amount of effort it takes to cut a slab the first upgrade I am going to do is install a winch ,
@@coletaylor123 I use a 10 degree tooth skip chain , I watched a lot of videos before buying my milling set up a the biggest surprise was the amount of effort is required to actually make the cut , the saw does slightly pull itself in but you have to work the saw to stop it bogging down I use a neotec 105cc saw with a 42 inch bar
Keep the chain sharp and file/grind the rakers down some until you get the slight grab that allows you to almost hold back the saw rather than push the saw! My bar has a nose sprocket grease hole so I frequently lube it and that allows for periodic engine cooling. Stihl MS660 28" bar, 72cc clone. Dennis- Welches pond, Oregon@@heykevwhatyouup2
@@heykevwhatyouup2 While I agree it is physical effort, what you're describing isn't exactly normal, it means there's something wrong with your set up or technique. BTDT, and there's a really dramatic improvement when you get it right.
A neighbour of mine decades ago built his house using only an alaskan mill for making his lumber. All the folks here saying you can't get accurate cuts for dimensional or it's not efficient just don't know what they're talking about! I want one, and will be using my 455 rancher with a 36" bar. Mostly I'll be doing posts and beams, though; anything smaller, like 2x4s or 1x? boards will just be cheaper to buy.
Posts add another level of complexity to cuts with a chainsaw to make sure both cuts are set up perfectly at a 90 degree angle, but it sure beats buying beams. I made ten 10’ 6x6’s for this barn and it helps to rip off two rounded faces on the log first instead of ripping 6” thick slabs with live edge on both sides. If I made 6” thick live edge slabs into posts again I would consider buying a skil saw beam cutter with an oversized circular blade to rip off the bark because making them with a standard circular saw or table saw is not easy!
Making my own live edge counters for the entire house. 661 and a cheapie china mill from ebay( get the exact clone of the granberg, and upgrade hardware to thicker washers and tall nuts all around. I’ve owned a the real one and now this and see no downside to the cheaper mill. It’s a simple device the reliability is in the design itself. Just look over the materials used because they do vary
After spending a few years doing both, I would say that milling with a chainsaw is pure foolishness unless you live far from roads or if you have a really unique tree to saw up for a special project. If your goal is to turn logs into lumber, bandsaw mill is a million times better. Don't buy one, rent one from a neighbour or hire them to cut your logs for you.
How do I get the logs out of the woods to bring them to the bandsaw? Maybe I can hire an excavator at $1500 a day plus gravel to build roads on my property? Or hire someone with a skidder to just bust through everything?
I kinda think the same thing. A saw big enough to mill with us gonna be well over $1,000 new, then milling chains and the mill itself. A Woodland Mills starts at $2500 and would be a whole lot easier and do a better job.
@@SkinnymooseHorse. But the time to get the logs down to the mill, then to haul the milled lumber back up to the site just makes the Alaskan mill super economical and more sensible. We have a mill, but it's not portable and it's almost 2 kms away from the wood i want to mill at the site where I'll be building. Could move the mill, but don't have a spot to set it up.
I've burned a Stihl 070 clone milling :( It's worth paying attention to your manufacturer's engine speed recommendations. I have both a chainsaw mill and a bandsaw mill, and it just makes sense to have both with our situation - 20 acres of woodland.
I wouldn’t recommend a chainsaw mill for anyone unless they need to mill wood in a hard to access wilderness. That meaning a hike to the middle of nowhere.
Another advantage of chainsaw milling is not having to move the log sections far. If you have heavy equipment to move them around, then you can ignore my first statement.
Ive milled probably about a hundred slabs with a farmertec 880. Best results have been with a skip tooth ripping chain. The saw has held up great minus a few pull strings
Letting it idle isn't good for long periods of time. It's a 2 stroke and a 2 stroke that's meant to be at high rpms 99% of the time to run clean idling too much will clog your spark arrestor and foul your plug.
Yes I’ve gag two blue max saws and so far they have ran better than my husky the only problem is the chin is soft so they stretch to much so I replaced the bar and chain with my husky bar and chain
i mill with a well used 372 xp and it does great 28in bar. ive produced lots of lumber in last 2years on this thing. do i want a 10,000 dollars band saw ? yes but no thanks im doing just fine with out one
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I have been using a Sthil 271 with a 24” bar and rip chain for 3 years. It gets the job done just fine, let the saw do the job and not force it.
I've used my Stihl 310 on pretty big Douglas Fir and some smaller fir old growth running a 28" bar but use my 660 with 42" and bigger or on hardwood
Thanks for sharing, which mill are you using?
Cole, just stumbled on your channel. I also have a Logosol F8, mainly use it for milling rough 6x6. Power head is the 661. You have some great points. Most of the time I do find the mill to be a main in the ass. But the fact that I can carry the mill to the tree is why I have this rig on the wood lot. Thanks again.
This is one of the best videos I've seen about chainsaw milling and points out practical aspects for consideration. I have been thinking about whether to get a Granberg and I'm now thinking that what I probably need is to find a local with a mill (actually a neighbor has one) who would be willing to mill my timber for me. I will rarely be cutting timber that I would want useable lumber from (mostly now I am cutting firewood), and I can always get one later if it becomes a more serious endeavor.
...best tipp ever is the steel bars for fixing the ladder that it can be extended... absolutely brilliant... many thanks....
I have a farmmac 660, it's a clone of the ms660. Haven't had that many problems with it. You're right about idling the saw before and especially after every cut, they need to cool down.
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 when I say problems, I didn't say what they were. I also have one of those overpriced german saws. I can buy 5 farmmacs for the price of one ms660/661 and that german saw won't last any longer.
@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Cole's chainsaw mechanic friend must be working on clones only.
Professionals should get best brands they could get, new homesteaders or DIYers may need good clones which is better than a no chainsaw.
All chainsaws are made in China or made with Chinese parts especially German manufacturers. How do you think they make such good clones?
@aerialrescuesolutions3277 lol where are all the problems you're referring to? For four times the price I'll pass.
Great video!! Bed rails are some of the best cheap guides!!
What a great idea!
I have a Holzfforma g070 105 cc power head. I've been using it for 4 years now. This is the first year i've had difficulty starting it. I have ordered tune up bits. It still has great compression. I've been using it primarily on sweet gum and pine, with the occasional red oak and am only running a 42" bar.
I learned a lot here, certainly enough to keep me out of trouble.
Thanks for this info! I would add that a chainsaw mill gives you the liberty to cut logs where they fall. This is a great advantage if the logs are located in a hard-to-access area. Personally, I'm in an urban area (Atlanta) looking into chainsaw milling because I don't want to buy a tractor and grapple to move big logs onto a sawmill, nor do I have the space to store a tractor or sawmill. I want to cut them where they landed and easily carry the boards. If someone's tree falls in their fenced-in yard, I can't get all that equipment in there. But with a chainsaw mill I can cut it where it landed AND they get free mulch! Is it tedious? Yes. But getting all the equipment required for sawmilling takes a lot of added time and manpower as well, so in my situation where I'm just doing this as a side hustle in an urban area, chainsaw milling seems to make the most sense.
Best chainsaw milling video on TH-cam! Every other video just shows milling. You teach the finer points of milling. Bandsaw miller's can learn from this video also. 👍
Thanks for the very clear and important video. I am a novice and appreciate the advice.
Great points. I have a bandsaw mill and it's great for logs that I can get to and transport with my tractor. On my property, I also have a lot of dead standing / downed trees that I either can't get to easily with my tractor or, they're simply too big for my tractor or my bandsaw mill. Slabbing out a 36" Honey Locust where it fell means I get access to wood that I would otherwise not.
Right on with your point
Otherwise it goes to firewood or rots
Exactly
Absolutely
Jealous of your Honey Locust harvest. Great wood.
Simple - freehand chainsaw square it, cut in 1/2, attach temp. small wheels/axles to fr. & back. Easy to transport with sm. mower. I use a converted elec. handicap scooter and/or sm. winch.
Very informative and good information to consider. I'm at that place of Chainsaw Mill or Bandsaw mill and you gave me a lot to think about on Pros/Cons I've not seen elsewhere. Thank you Sir!
I've got a farmertec ms660. It was purchased as a bax of parts and assembled by myself. Some OEM STIHL parts were used in place of the kit parts. It's also a good idea to upgrade to a high flow oiler if you plan to use it for milling.
There is a lot more kerf waste with a chainsaw mill than a band mill, but the portability can't be beat. I can just toss the equipment in the back of my truck, head to a site, or atop when I see a log I like, and get to work. You take the mill to the wood, not the wood to the mill. The final cut slabs are much easier to movw than an entire log.
A bandsaw mill will use less fuel per cut and the amount of physical effort will be much greater for the chainsaw.
There are a lot of tradeoffs on both sides and I guess if one were to do it as a business it would be worth having both in the long run.
Great information! I have been doing research concerning chainsaw milling. I am glad I came across your video. Great content, Thank you!
I like this “perspective” video on milling idea. I really appreciate you bringing something new to the milling space, most videos on milling are the same exact video, with different faces, saying the same thing. I like the bar stock/rebar idea, very original. The absolute best tips video I’ve applied is on flowering elbow’s channel. I think it’s 20 tips for milling or something. The repeatable quality I got from board to board is amazing. I popped a saw doing this, so now I keep things real clean blowing myself off then blowing the saw out with compressed air with every tank filling. I know not practical for some but I’m a carpenter, I have a couple hundred feet of air hose so I might as well use it.
Nice to know. I'm in the process of just getting started in doing some milling.
First tree is a bed frame, footboard and headboard the second is a few bridges need to be built through the woods for the bigger tractor and pickup truck to retrieve firewood and the lumber. Note the bridges aren't very long or wide but need to support the tractor weight and the lumber. 3rd project is a home made kiln. The dryer wood will be used in my wood lathe. So far I've turned a few small projects, I hate buying lumber having it at my disposal.
I've looked into an Alaskan mill, don't know how good the quality is
I've had a granberg Alaskan mill and mini mill for 12 years and they're quality is great. I started off milling with a stihl ms310, but upgrading to a ms441c. With a 28" bar I was milling 25" oak,maple,and tulip poplar. Keeping your chains sharp and making good first cuts are the key to your satisfaction with them. I bought multiple chains so I could just switch em out and keep milling. It's slow enough without having to stop and sharpen. I think I'd stay away from the chinese knockoffs because of lack of replacement parts and questionable quality
Some excellent knowledge & advice.
Thanks from here in the UK.
I have both the chainsaw mill and a small bandsaw mill the max log on my mill is about 20 in.. Clearing on our farm i often run into much larger logs my granburg mill and 660 clone saw allows me to make a few cuts and then Mr Sawmill takes over from there!
Great video. I learn more here than all other videos on milling. I am milling logs at 4 ft max. Most at 3 ft or less. Well done. Ty
We have been working with a husqvarna 3120xp with a 33in bar and ripping chain for 15 yrs. Reg maintenance and proper startup shutdown were presently building a square lig cabin on our land as a hunt 🏕
Great tip regarding the ladder! Thanks for sharing.
Excellent info! Can you give us some general info on the dry times on your barn lumber?
I started using all neo tech saws they work just fine and when ya blow one up it’s no bif deal, you can buy one cheaper than the repairs
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I have used chainsaw mills for 30 years - I use a Stihl 090AV (137 cc) which can cut anything including spikes because it’s a long stroke engine - I only use it for large timber that cannot be easily brought to a mill! It is great for 2”-3” live edge slabs on special logs. Cutting dimensional lumber with a chainsaw mill is not worth you time.
You can get a Woodland Mills bandsaw for $3500 - and it’s a good mill!
Thank you for indepth information, I plan to build a wrap around deck on my property and the current lumber price was gonna be like 6,000, since I have 4 acres and a lot of decent trees to mill I believed it will be more cost efficient to mill my own wood, now I have a solid confirmation thank you
Cool project Brandon. Do you think you’ll use a bandsaw or chainsaw to mill your lumber?
Best practice is to consider a 'chainsaw mill' as a slabbling mill only- use it at the landing for 'break of bulk'- and then air dry as 8"-14" posts for a season. It's marginally efficient enough for resawing those into 2" dimensional lumber, but for 1", always bandsaw. For big logs (over 20") they're a much better value than most bandmills, and I hate the problems small bandmills have with larger logs. For pure penny pinching goodness, my favorite use for them is in maximizing the value of those few firewood logs that show promise, even though they graded out of any sawlog category, not to mention roadside and sugarbush trees. My stove doesn't care if the wood is flat, and if I can pull some beautiful hardwood planks out 'for free', I've paid for the mill- as you said, you need a 'big' saw anyway! I use old Pioneer 650's with 30"+ bars to mill and buck big logs, and a small, light, modern, high rpm saw for woods work and limbing.
i’ve felled and cut up many a tree. a chainsaw mill has such a big kerf it isn’t worth it.
my friend put a longer bar on a electric chainsaw. 1 1/2 horsepower doesn't even get hot. he runs off an inverter with solar panels and batteries. calls it his solar powered chainsaw Mill
This is really helpful. Me and my wife want to build a horse barn. A small one. And also prepare lumber to build a garage. But i think its worth chainsaw milling enyway. It will be some mouth work. A chainsaw milli is less complicated than a portabel bandsaw mill. All things around before its possible to start working is to much money... Chainsaw mill is more work but the end of the days cost is much much lower than buy everything expensive wood material from the store...
I milled a 36 inch oak with my holtzforma 372, and 392. I was amazed how well the 372 did, but I wanted to get the 392 to put a 42 inch bar on.
I heard those Chinese saws aren't too bad, so I bought a barely used 372 from a person, but unfortunately it broke down on just the 3rd cut milling through a large (32") white pine, so I ended up getting a husqvarna 592xp, fixed the holzfforma and sold it. I'd say they're just fine for felling and bucking, though.
@carlweeks9256 hmm, well no telling what kinda life it had before you got it,,, my experience with them has just been splendid.
I am so happy you posted this Video. I would like to Buy a Chain Saw Mill This video tells it all.. THANK YOU
Hey thanks RK Singh, going out right now to mill up some American beech slabs
im getting the 660 clone and the milling assembly because yarding logs without a tractor is pretty much impossible and often times illegal. chainsaw mill gets you into the mix without the heavy equipment
I like the 90 cc for my Ash trees! Good info bro!
I have both. I look forward to running my bandsaw mill every time I come up with a new project. I cringe every time I have to use my homemade chainsaw mill, mostly because I know how sore I am going to be for 2 days after. The bandsaw mill was considerably more expensive at &11,500, compared to the $100 it cost me to make the chainsaw mill. I already owned the 262xp so most of the expense was the 24” bar and ripping chain. The other big hurdle with a bandsaw mill is handling logs. Without a piece of heavy equipment it’s very difficult to feed a bndsaw mill.
Great video. First time I’ve seen anyone use an extension ladder that way, such a good idea 👍
I bought a chainsaw mill and a MS-391 but I can't plane but 15 inches so my lumber (slabs) can't be more than the 15 inches .
Do I have enough saw for that ? Have a blessed one and let me know what you think please .
Another big advantage to an Alaskan mill is that you rip the lumber where the tree was felled, and don’t have to transport heavy lumber to the mill. Not really an issue for industrial forestry who build roads for this exact purpose, but a boon to the small scale diyer, especially when you’re selectively felling trees
Excellent info. Clearly delivered. 💜
I started milling back in the early 1980's, bought a brand new Jonsereds 910E and a Grandberg Alaskan Mill 36 inches. Did my last milling in the late 90's. The most significant thing learned by me was the physical strain of milling, it is taxing on the body to the max. I never had a hiccup with that Jonsered, out here in the Pacific Northwest I collected Black Walnut, Big Leaf Maple and Sycamore. I had a bunch of black walnut that were years old logs, dry and hard. I always rested my saw with idling, a guy has to have some savvy using a saw or you will smoke them. I also ran 32:1 oil. I never even tore that saw down for maintenance of any kind until this past winter. Did so because now I am collecting vintage saws and the ones I had were the first ones I started restoration on. Piston and cylinder is in premium condition, carbon build up was under a mm thick. Seals are still good, rebuilt the carb and replumbed the fuel lines for the first time. JUst take care of the saw by not pushing it and feed it a good oil mix. Oh yeah, I tried a variety of chains but settled on standard link with about a 10 degree cutter, Never did have good luck with skip chain of any kind. Kept the bars and chains in excellent working condition. And I made and auxillary oil tank that mounted on the far end of the mill, fed oil to the bar groove through a hole drilled just behind the sprocket assembly, keeping that chain well oiled is essential, less power robbing on the power head and chains and bars go more miles. A good read for chainsaw mill enthusiasts if Chainsaw Lumber Making by Will Maloof (sp?) he was a Canadian and had some real good instruction to offer in the book.
Awesome story Gary. Thanks for sharing. I wish you straight boards and a smooth running saw in the future
I always wonder about the chainsaw engines getting tilted by 90 degrees during the milling process.
How does that negatively affect the internal lubrication, and the chainsaws' lifetime?
You would think they should be used in upright position or getting returned to that position during use. Just like you wouldn't want to drop your motorbike and leave the engine running idle in that position....
So how is a chainsaw engine coping with this?
I don't do any milling, I just enjoy the videos. 😊
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i have a chinese ms 660 paid 450 5 yrs ago and put about 400 into it . i got a granberg 36 inch bar and 4 ripping chains . most of my wood in the northwest is softer so i have no issues with the saw . i dont use it as much as id like but i maybe have 100 slabs cut to date . subscribed
How about a Sthil 500i? I have a husky 562 that may work for smaller boards. I have lodgepole pine and blue spruce. Few are over 24" Wish I still had my extension ladder, it melted in a fire.
The 500i is a very awesome saw! For just 80 cc it's powerful! I also have a husqvarna 592xp which is 92 cc.
Hello
Is there a big difference between standard ripping oregon chain and homemade granberg ripping chain with scoring teeth ?
Regards 😀
Hi Raiarii, I’ve never used an Oregon ripping chain, but I have used Oregon standard cross cut chains. They are very similar to the Stihl yellow link chains with a 30 or 35 deg file on all teeth. Using a ripping chain with a 0 or 10 degree file will help keep your chain sharp for longer while milling and will typically make straighter, cleaner cuts.
Lol, if your friend manages a chainsaw repair and hates having repeat customers, something is wrong 😂 He should be loving the fact that people keep breaking things that he gets to fix, beautiful buisness.
Finally someone sees the obvious.
Close call. Not what I thought. Thanks dude.
I have a China copy Stihl 660 90cc chainsaw ($350). Replace the piston & top w/ hi. qual. same ($120). Great saw at $470 when Stihl is $1800.
Well I reckon if this is correct I shouldn’t get a chainsaw mill. I ain’t spending $1700 on a saw. And time your done buying a saw for the purpose and chain for the purpose and the mill why not just buy a bandsaw mill and be done? I had thought to buy a 50cc saw and a mill and make beams and board of fallen trees on my place
So many questions have been answered in such a short time. Thank you
My up front cost was $7000 for a 2022 woodland mills HM130MAX, with 2 track extensions and a lap-siding attachment 🥴
Great stuff man thank you! Some of my logs diameter are to big for a smaller $2500 bandsaw mill? I'm stuck here!?
Maybe a 120cc class chainsaw with like a 6’ bar? I’d like to get a giant bar for slabbing out giant live edge stuff
Use a chainsaw mill to make it into sizes manageable for the smaller bandsaw mill! For example, a 36 inch log could be cut into quarters they'd be about 18" on each ends.
I mill with an old Jonsered 80 that's been upgraded with a Jonsered 90 P&C (89cc.)
It pulls great torque.
Great video! Nicely done! Great info!!
The reason why 'dimensional' lumber is smaller is that it is cut green to the nominal size, then kiln dried (which reduces the size by a small amount) and the dressed on 4 faces. In order not to have every board being a different size (shrinkage might be different on each board), they are all milled to the 'standard' dimensional sizes.
Things to know before buying a chainsaw mill, and here I didn't even know that was a thing. Been looking into making or buying a bandsaw to cut boards, and the price is almost always too high for me. Good to know there is another alternative :D
Awesome video, thanks for putting this together. 👍
Blue saws are amazing and a 3rd of the cost.
I dont have any experience with this, but i would also imagine that another advantage of a chainsaw mill is that you can mill the tree where it is at without having to move it. Once milled it becomes a lot easier to carry out the individual boards. Is that a fair use case?
Correct! A log easily weighs hundreds of pounds and can be over a ton for large trees. Even make them into smaller pieces to move to a bandsaw mill to finish the individual pieces is another option.
I have a chainsaw mill, and holzforma, use it when logs are to big for my little bandsaw mill, cut logs into cants then put them on my bandsaw mill... so far the holzforma has been fine, just a few logs so far... wouldn't want to use a chainsaw mill for everything I cut...
Cole this was an awesome introduction video to milling. I work with chainsaws for my job and am used to square sharpening with machine and round filing by hand. Just wanted to know if you sharpen your milling chain by hand or machine? And also if you were able to make a video that would be awesome!
I sharpen all my chains by hand… that’s a good video idea, I’ll need to make one from start to finish. Thanks for the feedback
👍👍Always with you. Thanks alot.
Excellent points made! Thanks for posting this.
Dude, you just saved me a shitload of welding and/or 2500 bucks. thanks.
All I needed to know to get started on a nice red oak that fell on my property. Will likely rent my equipment.
Hello, I am from Tahiti and really appreciate your video, may you tell me if is really better to make a granberg milling chain (I mean take out with a grinder the half of teeth every two)
Regards Raiarii
Hi Raiarii, yes having a milling chain helps take the workload off your powerhead and makes cuts faster with less effort required by the saw. A milling chain also will stay sharper for longer than a crosscut chain will when ripping with the grain instead of cross cutting against it.
@@coletaylor123 I meant the difference between standard ripping chain and granberg ripping chain
The biggest thing I found since chainsaw milling is the amount of effort it takes to cut a slab the first upgrade I am going to do is install a winch ,
Heykevwhatyouup2 if you really need to push into the cut you may have a dull chain… what kind of chain are you using?
@@coletaylor123 I use a 10 degree tooth skip chain , I watched a lot of videos before buying my milling set up a the biggest surprise was the amount of effort is required to actually make the cut , the saw does slightly pull itself in but you have to work the saw to stop it bogging down I use a neotec 105cc saw with a 42 inch bar
Keep the chain sharp and file/grind the rakers down some until you get the slight grab that allows you to almost hold back the saw rather than push the saw! My bar has a nose sprocket grease hole so I frequently lube it and that allows for periodic engine cooling. Stihl MS660 28" bar, 72cc clone. Dennis- Welches pond, Oregon@@heykevwhatyouup2
@@heykevwhatyouup2 While I agree it is physical effort, what you're describing isn't exactly normal, it means there's something wrong with your set up or technique. BTDT, and there's a really dramatic improvement when you get it right.
Excellent advice, thank you. Much to consider.
Thanks you, bort up sume points that I hadn't even thought of. I'll change my tacked to a bansaw mill
Thanks again
Thank you for the information cole much appreciated, you have gained a thumbs 👍 an my subscription cheers🎉😊😊
A neighbour of mine decades ago built his house using only an alaskan mill for making his lumber. All the folks here saying you can't get accurate cuts for dimensional or it's not efficient just don't know what they're talking about! I want one, and will be using my 455 rancher with a 36" bar. Mostly I'll be doing posts and beams, though; anything smaller, like 2x4s or 1x? boards will just be cheaper to buy.
Posts add another level of complexity to cuts with a chainsaw to make sure both cuts are set up perfectly at a 90 degree angle, but it sure beats buying beams. I made ten 10’ 6x6’s for this barn and it helps to rip off two rounded faces on the log first instead of ripping 6” thick slabs with live edge on both sides. If I made 6” thick live edge slabs into posts again I would consider buying a skil saw beam cutter with an oversized circular blade to rip off the bark because making them with a standard circular saw or table saw is not easy!
Making my own live edge counters for the entire house.
661 and a cheapie china mill from ebay( get the exact clone of the granberg, and upgrade hardware to thicker washers and tall nuts all around.
I’ve owned a the real one and now this and see no downside to the cheaper mill. It’s a simple device the reliability is in the design itself. Just look over the materials used because they do vary
I think on any bigger cuts minimum of 90 cc's because the crank main bearings are bigger can handle the abuse.
We do a lot of building out of true ruff cut lumber . True 2x 2,4 ,6,8 ,10 ,12 we don’t use and type of steel hangers all old school look .
After spending a few years doing both, I would say that milling with a chainsaw is pure foolishness unless you live far from roads or if you have a really unique tree to saw up for a special project. If your goal is to turn logs into lumber, bandsaw mill is a million times better. Don't buy one, rent one from a neighbour or hire them to cut your logs for you.
Lol you're way is about twenty times more expansive. "Just get a massive bandsaw". What if I'm on the side of a mountain?
How do I get the logs out of the woods to bring them to the bandsaw? Maybe I can hire an excavator at $1500 a day plus gravel to build roads on my property? Or hire someone with a skidder to just bust through everything?
I kinda think the same thing. A saw big enough to mill with us gonna be well over $1,000 new, then milling chains and the mill itself. A Woodland Mills starts at $2500 and would be a whole lot easier and do a better job.
@@SkinnymooseHorse. But the time to get the logs down to the mill, then to haul the milled lumber back up to the site just makes the Alaskan mill super economical and more sensible. We have a mill, but it's not portable and it's almost 2 kms away from the wood i want to mill at the site where I'll be building. Could move the mill, but don't have a spot to set it up.
@@AgnesMariaL - Agnes, it seems to me that you are in agreement with SkinnyMoose...(?)....
Great points , keep your chains sharpened.
Great informative video. Thanks
I've burned a Stihl 070 clone milling :( It's worth paying attention to your manufacturer's engine speed recommendations. I have both a chainsaw mill and a bandsaw mill, and it just makes sense to have both with our situation - 20 acres of woodland.
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Good video, actual information instead of the usual common sense stuff with these titles
That's great information. Thank you
I wouldn’t recommend a chainsaw mill for anyone unless they need to mill wood in a hard to access wilderness. That meaning a hike to the middle of nowhere.
Great video Cole thanks
Another advantage of chainsaw milling is not having to move the log sections far. If you have heavy equipment to move them around, then you can ignore my first statement.
the aluminium ladder is a pretty smat trick...thank you
Awesome advice.
True truth and thanks for sharing this information.
Great 👍 video very informative 👏
Cool! Good to know
Ive milled probably about a hundred slabs with a farmertec 880. Best results have been with a skip tooth ripping chain. The saw has held up great minus a few pull strings
Very good. Accurate. Thank you
Just use an 2kw electric motor have higher torgue and silent.
got me an 880ms... HEAVY!!!!
Letting it idle isn't good for long periods of time. It's a 2 stroke and a 2 stroke that's meant to be at high rpms 99% of the time to run clean idling too much will clog your spark arrestor and foul your plug.
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I will think about it....I mean....I _used to_ use a chainsaw mill.....nowadays, I almost always go freehand....
Yes I’ve gag two blue max saws and so far they have ran better than my husky the only problem is the chin is soft so they stretch to much so I replaced the bar and chain with my husky bar and chain
@@allyxample65 - Chi-Com says _WHAT?!?_
When you say milling blade, do you mean ripping blade?
Hi Enchantedmountain, yes milling/ripping chains same thing
If someone told me this was Ryan Kelly’s brother I’d believe it. Only colts fans would know what I mean haha. Thanks for the info!
Lol that type of respirator won't help! A fan or fresh air respirator would be the correct choice if it's a concern for you.
I have a log splitter that exhausts right in my face, going to add some pipe and aim it 90° from its current direction
i mill with a well used 372 xp and it does great 28in bar. ive produced lots of lumber in last 2years on this thing. do i want a 10,000 dollars band saw ? yes but no thanks im doing just fine with out one