Dry Start Method Aquarium - How to grow aquarium moss
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- In this video I explain how to use a dry start method for moss like fissidens (phoenix moss) , riccardia chamedryfolia (mini pellia). It really gives a natural effect. Ideal to learn how to grow aquarium moss in your aquascape!
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Will this work for Marimo Moss? I want to use it to carpet my aquarium. Will this work? Will I need a substrate and if so what kind do you recommend? Will this work on petrified wood (fossil wood) and driftwood from pear?
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Hi! I've been researching this method, because I was afraid of getting mold and you are the first one to address this issue. Thank you! Keep it up!
Every and each of your ideas and scapes are awesome! You are helping with them not only new people with this interests but also people with some knowledge too. We are learning every day something new. Thank you for your efforts.
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Just update from my previous comment. this method REALLY WORKS !! and better than just glue/ tie-ing moss on hard scape. i use rather difference things and method. changed yogurt with leftover soil and just chop the moss (i use fissiden), no need blender. fungus will grow ( on wood, not on rocks) but does not bother the moss much. in about 2 or 3 weeks the moss starting to grow.
so, if anyone care to try this method, i really recommend it. the only thing important is keep the moisture. i might add link to the result pic later.
thanks to Nigel for share this method !!
Hey thanks for sharing your experience. Chopping up works also indeed. You can also just use chopped moss or blend with Ro water. The yoghurt is just a little detail that may help if used correctly. Mold can also grow on rocks. Just keep removing and increase ventilation when one observes it.
@@NigelAquascaping
You can use Agar-Agar !
I encourage everybody to try this method out. I went to a local pet store to grab some mini pellia and told the owner about the idea. He suggested not try it because another person he knew(an aquarium plant enthusiast) tried it out and just grew mold and mold. I tried it and it worked great and im just a noob.
Don't be scared of some mold indeed. Increase ventilation and use a cotton swab to remove easy! Glad it worked for you :)
Thanks for this video. I really like how your moss on rocks came out. I just started my dry start last night, so I will employ this method for the rocks tonight.
Did it go well?
@@sitfish1113 I didn't do it on the rocks, unfortunately. I tried to start a carpet of dwarf hairgras and hydropiper. It didn't grow out too well over the course of 4 weeks. I don't run CO2, so it didn't grow into a full carpet when I flooded either.
However I decided to go more dutch influenced and have heavily planted with a lot of stems instead and it's going really well.
This also can be used outside in a shaded area that can be a great addition to any stone path or a rock garden / water fall etc. The only thing that I would suggest is to have a few timers to make sure you will have it properly moistened ⏳️
Thanks Nigel ...its completely new method ...will surely try and share the results
Good luck bro
Wow. Great info. Thank you very much.
I was thinking of doing something like that and the video came in the right time. Know I have an idea what to do. Thanks.
Good luck man 😎👍
Very usefull way to grow, also for terraria! Fast and even
AquaMoment 😄😄
Can I do this with Christmas moss?
Bedankt voor de tip! Ik heb een 450 liter bak die ik jungle style in ga richten met voornamelijk mos en epi's op veel hout en dit gaat aanzienlijk schelen in de kosten. De hardscape alleen gaat al zeker een euro per liter kosten, de planten wil ik daar graag onder houden.
Heel veel succes. Klinkt als een mooi project!
@@NigelAquascaping de hardscape is inmiddels ingedraaid, de mosjes zijn binnen dus vandaag gaat het gebeuren. Bedankt!
could i use honey and substrate
Mooi filmpje Nigel!!!
Superartfish Bedankt 😄😄
Hi Nigel, I didn't get what you mean on how to remove the mold. Could you explain on how to avoid molds?
I believe he says "remove it with cotton swab" and " increase the ventilation" by this means.. you need to remove the mold and then open the plastic wrap a bit just like in the video
You say in step ten to fill the scape with water do u empty the water after filling not clear on that
Hello
I tried your method on my driftwood
It's getting white hair algae or fungus I guess!!!
What should I do now? Please guide me.
Thanks Nigel, I will try this in my next scape :)
Does it always have to be RO water? can we use conditioned tap water?
What is RO water?
i also wanted to know...
@@Zorrkderzauberfee I found out, it's "Reverse Osmosis" water, which means it's extremely well filtered water, having been forced through a very fine filter that removes most contaminants - notably organisms. Next step up from RO is Distilled water.
Can I paint it on back of tank
soooo captivated by these..What liquid ferts did you use for the moss?
Is this normal?
My moss turn to yellow.
Can java moss...goods for dry start.sir
ur theme is awesome , can you tell me what is RO water exactly please ?
Almost pure water. The water from your tap goes through a ro filter system and removes almost all elements. For example kh, bacteria etc.
Reverse Osmosis Water 🌊 RO
@@NigelAquascaping thanx you sir
@@EmmtheOriginallyLegal1andOnly Thank you
Can I use Java moss?
What if i dont have an ro water? is there another alternative?
Rain water
Thank you for the tips
Will the yoghurt attract insects like flies/ants?
Great tutorial! Do you actually need RO water? May I use aquarium water?
Hey Nigel,
I would like to try this method as well, what I am wondering is; do you use lights during this method and what settings do you use (light intensity and duration of the light)
Keep on the awesome work ^^
Yes I use the lights for 12 hours a day. I tried low light and high light both worked with fissidens. Riccardia is a light lover for sure. So with riccardia maybe use a bit more. Don't go to far on the light as you might risk to burn the moss. Normally when you have a led model for the size of your tank your fine with full power.
Amazing
Thank you!
Can I drystart for only 2weeks? I dont need a full green carpet ?
I would only use the dry start method if you use mosses from the blender mixer. With other plants just flood it no dry start necessary.
@@NigelAquascaping thx..I have to wait for 10days till now until my co2 arrives, thats why I thought I do drystart ,maybe the plats will survive that time without co2 easier on air than water
@Nigel_Aquascaping Will this work for Marimo Moss? I want to use it to carpet my aquarium. Will this work? Will I need a substrate and if so what kind do you recommend? Will this work on petrified wood (fossil wood) and driftwood from pear?
Hi sir try it. I have no personal experience with Marino moss or this kind of wood. So I can't say if it works.
My lights are producing so much heat is it okay for the mosses does it still thrive?? ima fan of your work bro..
I mean the moss lives in tropical water so I think it would probably be fine?
very nice tutorial and very good information. I want to do some DSM with soil. I want to make some bushy carpet with HC (Hemianthus callitrichoides 'Cuba'). Can I put some Yoghurt to my HC to prevent mold?
Thanks. Not sure about yoghurt with HC. Just keep Enough ventilation like 2 openings or so. Honestly I only like dry start to attach moss to hardscape. I don’t dry start with plants. I add them when dry start with moss is done and then flood. If you have co2 (which I assume with HC) I Would just try to plant them well in substrate and flood straight.
Is there any alternative than using greek yogurt?
You can also do it without yoghurt.
@@NigelAquascaping and do you mix the fissidens and Riccardia in the blender or each blended separately? Thank you
Very,very good. I will try it on my coco fiber walls in my vivarium. I'll use java moss. I know you need the patience of a spider to watch it grow in. I'll let you know. Any thoughts on this?
Not sure about java moss suitable for this. If java moss grows very big maybe will deattach due the weight. I prefer it for fissidens and riccardia sp.
What to do, when it start mold
Increase ventilation, keep it wet but not dripping wet. Air it twice daily for 10 minutes with foil completely removed. Remove the mold with a cotton swab.
Hi, thanks for the informative video. May I know what is your tank's temperature when you did DSM for moss? I have tried this method and my tank's temperature raised to 32c when the light turns on and killing all my moss. Appreciate your feedback.
Hello temps here in the Netherlands are much lower. Between 18 and 27 or so during the year in the room.
@@NigelAquascaping Thanks, will try DSM for moss in a cooler area next time.
Hi!!! New sub!! Love all your videos! Please tell me where I can purchase a bottle of that Rio water? Thank you!!
I bought it at the supermarket they sell it usually for iron etc. Thanks for the support
Do you think riccadia chamedryfolia tissue culture can be use with this method?
For sure
did your method can use with land moss for aquarium planted tank or not ???
I don’t think so, land moss would die off in water
Arowater?
RO. reverse osmosis, 0 tds
Great tip bro !!!... Can I do the same with pellia and java moss as dry start method ??
Probably better to do with fine delicate sp like fissidens and riccardia.
Hello! Really awesome and helpful video. Question: The riccardia and fissidens I have is already submerged. Will this be a problem for this method?
Nope it won't be an issue.
@@NigelAquascaping ok awesome, thanks so much for the fast response!
Hey the video is extremely helpful but I am having a few issues..
First up, I tried this method on Wooden Hardscape..
The harscape developed maggot like worms and eventually white fungus too, all within a fortnight.
How do I treat that hardscape now??
Are those worms harmful for the tank?
Idk about worms. About mold increase ventilation with larger openings in the corner. Air it with foil completely off for 10 mins a day. Keep it wet but not dripping wet. Remove current mold with tools for example a cotton swab.
Hi Nigel, I didn't really understand well the Step 10. Could you please elaborate? Thanks Nigel 🙂
Hey step 10 means you fill the tank with water until substrate in front is wet. No puddles of water above the substrate. Just the same as the height of the substrate.
Thank you for the response
Do we have to spray the water daily?
Yes I do it even twice morning and evening. Otherwise top parts will dry out. And when you don't have openings for ventilation mold will grow quickly.
Does it stick well to the hardscape? I mean as good as using glue?
Depends on the type of hardscape aswell lava rock is better then dragon stone for example. It also went well on dragon stone, but if your not gentle enough during maintenance, some pieces can get loose.
If I used lava rock for substrate, do you think that I would be able to make a moss carpet like this?
I think it could work. I did something similar in my older forest scapes. I didn't use lava rock substrate but crushed bigger piecss in smaller ones (but not as small as soil size). Let me know if it works. If you want to be safe use normal lava rocks and lay them out as a base to paste the moss mixture on it.
@@NigelAquascaping Thank you!
Hai nigel...can i use marimo(moss ball) for this method..?
I never tried that sorry. Let me know if you try it if it works.
I started dry start yogurt method with ricardia chamidrifolia,and 6 days left.but from yesterday type of fungicide or something of white colour grow in this part of stone.what should I do ?
Increase ventilation (openings on the side with the tank) , air it daily with foil complete off for 10 minutes. Keep it wet but not dripping wet.
@@NigelAquascaping thanks
do you have a photo of what it looked like grown in?
Genesis Mallanao First 15 Seconds you see my forest with this method. Progress of the mountain scape will follow later when it’s ready. It is just planted.
What should i do if there are fungus grow with the moss
Theres no puddles anyway
Increase the ventilation and remove current mold with cotton swab or so.
Thank you so much for your reply. I will try it
Ok so I kinda didn't have Greek yogurt. And I got too excited and now my tank has a very distinct smell. Will i have to tough it out or did I make a big mistake ans have restart my dry start.
Have to use very little even less than a tea spoon. I would just continue I think and flood it after 3 weeks. But I never used that much so don't have experience on that situation.
@@NigelAquascaping thank you for the advice! 😊
"yo"-ghurt 😂
Can i use mineral water or dstilled than R.o water?
Should be fine. Maybe some mineral water will still give lime build up on the glass.
Yes u r ryt!
Tnx for d info!
Thanks for the tutorial, I follow the instructions but on the third day the moss and the yogurt have fungus what I can do?
i remove the foil two times in a day for 5 minutes, the mold is only in the mix of yogurt
You must use Agar-Agar, not yoghurt !
@@user-jm4tq8xz4xhow to use Agar-Agar?
SO this only works with riccardia and fissiden? or can i use others, like flame or christmass moss too?
if not, is there anyway to fast grow and dry start christmas moss and others?
I think Christmass moss will deattach maybe later when it grows bigger. For bigger moss sp I recommend chopping with a knife and press it against the hardscape with a dry start. But it also depends on the hardscape that you use if it will work well. You can also glue Christmass and flame moss as they grow relative fast and are not so expensive.
@@NigelAquascaping thx !, i'll try that.
I tried the dry start method after watching your inspiring videos, and into my 2nd week got into painting java moss (yoghurt method) on driftwood. Now I have white mould starting to show up in my driftwood alone. While it might be harmless, it's killing the looks. Please suggest a way to get rid of it?
You must use Agar-Agar, not yoghurt !
Oh yee.. i got the same problem, and now it's day 3 for me hahaha
@@user-jm4tq8xz4x got guide ?
Can i use java moss instead?
For java moss I wouldn't recommend this method with a blender. For more coarse moss sp you might be better of by chopping it with a knife in smaller pieces. Push them against the hardscape and do a dry start. Not all moss sp benefit from the blender. Fissidens fontanus, fissidens fox and riccardia chamedryfolia do well with the blender method.
@@NigelAquascaping how about Christmas moss?
@@stv2556 I would not recommend it with xmass moss. It grows fast so just glue it. Or chop it with a knife and press against hardscape with dry start method.
Is there any bad smell?
Not if you use very little yoghurt and create some ventilation. I never had it myself. But I heard some people have issues. I think they use to much yoghurt. You can even skip the yoghurt if your worried. I think it will also work without.
@@NigelAquascaping Thanks! Got it today in the mail and noticed a spell, something like seaweed. After i ran it through water the smell is almost gone.
Why filter water from moss if then you add water?
To find a right balance between moss and liquid to paint on hardscape. The blender doesn't work optimal if there is not enough water.
I click subsribe and ring bell after see your video but Sir! Anymoss can be blended and do like this? And how long long it take to grow on the hardscape?
Thank you for subscribing and turning on notifications! This method is mostly for riccardia and fissidens sp. (but not all fissidens sp work for example fissidens nobilis doesn't work but fontanus and fox/mini do work). Other more coarse mosses like xmass moss, I would chop it with a knife and rub/push against the hardscape or glue. To make it more interesting you can use different species in a layout. So blend some fissidens/riccardia and rub some chopped xmass on other places. I recommend to do a dry start for 3 weeks to be sure mosses attach to the hardscape.
If I dont have RO water, may I use tape water instead? Or mineral drinking water
@@kengbunsai5713 Tap water can give lime build up on the glass depending on how hard your tap is. Maybe rain water if you don't live in a to polluted area. Or maybe mineral water yes if its soft.
RO water?
Yes or if you can't buy or have it maybe try rainwater.
@@NigelAquascaping What IS RO water?
@@kerrykrishna filtered tap water with a membrane with removed almost all elements like kh, bacteria etc in there.
I dont understand wich filter do u talk?
Gabriel José Toro Rodríguez don’t put filter of your aquaria on full power after flooding. So the moss doesn’t Goes off. But also keep enough flow to have good circulation.
It is possible i did not use yogart? Or can i use any kind of yogart?
It should also work fine with no yoghurt.
And can i ask if i can use riccia moss with this method? Thank you
@@johnarthureangeles76 don't know only tested it with fissidens fox, fissidens fontanus and riccardia chamedryfolia. More coarse moss sp better to chop with knife and press against hardscape.
Tried this but got moods overnight. What happens if I let the mold grow?
Did you try and found out what happens?
You didn't show the results
You can see the results from 0:00 to 0:14 in my forest scape which I made earlier. Final video will be uploaded later of the mountain after contest results.
Results out now check the video
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@@longtran2086
Yes sir
can i do that without yogart?
great video, i just don't see why you would filter out the blended R O water and then add more. why not just add the yogurt to the moss and R O water after the blending? i'm getting ready to try this method . i really do appreciate you very informative video. thank you.
Because I prefer some ro but not to much so the moss is still not super liquid. And only 30ml in the blender doesn't blend so well compared to 100ml.
I started this, its hardly a day and my hardscape has fungus all over. Any suggestions?
Improve ventilation
@@NigelAquascaping i have an airline in it. Tank covered with plastic wrap with small holes.
@@Sahil..1131 open the corners as well.
@@NigelAquascaping now there are some kind of tiny flies all over
Edit: now it stinks as hell
@@Sahil..1131 I'd guess your hardscape is rotten if it stinks that bad
Why you need yogurt? Can i do this Tutor w/o yogurt?
PIT DEPIT Yes also possible. But a very small tea spoon of natural greek yoghurt gives no problems. Only big amounts do.
How it looks now????
Final video will be uploaded after contest results. On my Instagram (Nigel Hoevenaar) you can also find some pictures in a later stage full of moss.
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Can I use all moss like java ext....
Never tried I would chop more coarse mosses with a knife and press against hardscape. Not in a blender.
@@NigelAquascaping how many days ones water sprea to that....how many times for day
@@ambarishambarish6448 twice a day. You can also install a mister. Ventilation is key to avoid mold.
Thank you sir....
RO water means....mineral water?
Hi Nigel, i tried for a week and found some white worms crawling around the lava rock. Anyway to get rid of it? Am i do it right? Thx
What is rio water
When is the next vid to this coming out or is it out already? im excited for the results
Very soon I'm expecting the contest results in a week or so. Then I will upload the final video.
Great explaination. Did you use this method on your "forest" scape? Saw it on a portuguese forum and it was awesome. You know where, I just don´t want to mention it, because I don´t know if I can or if you put you in trouble.
Thank you. Yes I used this method on 2 of of my forest scapes and in my mountain scape.
Can you use demineralized water?
Yeah
RO water means....mineral water?
Dont need any yougurt bro.
It's possible without. But a little bit can give good conditions for the moss.
Or Agar-Agar
right? never heard of this. actually might try it though.
What is a RO water?
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Kong Yang Very soft water with low TDS. You can buy it from store or make it with a machine.
@@NigelAquascaping is it the same with alkaline water?
@@vvvbingsu buy it at the super market to avoid lime build up on the glass.
I can tell you know what to do from the health of your orchid.
Janelle Farvour Not mine its my parents one. I take care of plants underwater. 😄
watched the whole video and he ends it after he sprays it with water wtf dude where is the finsihed product or did you get mold and fucked up everything
A) where can i see its result?
B) whats RO water?
A) Watch my video my Dragon Stone Aquascape 36L By Nigel Aquascaping
B) Very soft water that doesn't contain anything like calcium etc so no lime build up on glass for example.
Nigel Aquascaping thanks please put a link for A and tell me what the RO stands for and how to prepare this water
@@sirpfa Very simple.
You need a cheap water filter.
RO stands for Reverse Osmosis water
What the heck is RO water?
Where are the results ?
Check out my other video on the channel for the final result.
i dont think this will work
Watch my latest video for the results: my Dragon Stone Aquascape 36L By Nigel Aquascaping. Works perfect.
Hello Aquascape friends, I'm from Indonesia, don't really understand your language ... that's why please give me my country's language, Indonesian, please
How bro I don't Speak Indonesia language
Need to clean it daily? Those are the magic words. I'm out!
No pain no gain
It will be Turkish yogurt, not Greek yogurt .... wrong information
Greek yoghurt worked fine in 3 tanks where I used this method. Why do you need Turkish yoghurt in your opinion?
@@NigelAquascaping the inventors of yoghurt are Turks, I meant to say 😅
@@TabiatYolcusuET oh haha 😃
You have to show the result. Come on.
First 14 seconds of the video you can see the results of using the same method in my other forest scape.
Too much ro water you have added
What's RO water?
Yum moss smoothie
How exactly does yogurt help against molds,since they prefer acidic conditions? It sounds like a nice nutritious substrate for mold cultivation.
Some Greek yoghurt contains Lactobacillus acidophilus bacteria which is helpful against fungus. But I only recommend to use very small amounts of yoghurt. Otherwise diminishing returns seems to kick in fast.
does java moss work?
Helpful video 😊 just have some question . Is it necessary to use RO water Or I can just use tap water?
If you use tap water to spray during the dry start. Then you could have lime build up on the glass.
@@NigelAquascaping thanks for the info😊