The Dry Start Method - Grow carpet the EASY way!
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- What is the Dry Start Method? Featuring my original Iwagumi aquarium build.
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The patience king, I would plant it and after 2 hours I would be like: "Ok, that's enough, time for water" lol
LOL Oh no. That probably wouldn't work well in this situation. ;)
Some seeds sold as carpet plants that are actually hygrophila polysperma, you can actually sprinkle on top the water. They'll sink, start to sprout and actually root into the substrate, all under water. Probably not the best results though.
This would be me lol
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I’m halfway through the video and I feel overwhelmed to let you know this video is awesome. You’ve earned a subscriber, love this direct instruction method.
GREAT! I'm glad it helps!
That was awesome. It's supposed to promote serenity but it only promoted me wanting to punch a duck.
haha, glad you liked that.
'you know its wise words, coz it sounds zen and I'm asian'
@@TheWaterBox you might be my new favorite youtube channel
I feel you bro.. 30 minutes sitting and trying to arrange everything, in the end wtf I did what want..
@@apaoacil Man we all know that's from wake and bake..... : )
This was such a peaceful video to watch. I could watch 10 hours of this straight
Haha thanks Vivian. :)
You are a great communicator with a sense of humor! Wonderful video!
This is really helpful. Thank you for your time of creating all your videos. I am learning from scratch and not knowing much, so this is really awesome to watch start to finish.
That's wonderful to know and that it helps. :) Good luck!
Great guide! one important tip though is that if you use plastic wrap make sure to leave a big enough gap. I got mold on my carpet during dry start, so i had to flood the tank earlier than i initially wanted. Worked out fine in the end though!
For sure! I don't think I emphasized that fact enough in the video. Thanks for mentioning it and Thanks for watching!
"If all else fails, just get an Uber" *i laughed hysterically*
Thanks!
What a beautiful tank and comprehensive video. Good work
Thanks!
wow painting moss onto rocks is some next level shit 💪🏼💪🏼
Haha it's a technique that's been around for a while.
I have grown us fissidens dry start method on rock...and its awesome
Wow.. much appreciated !
Just what I need.
So we need a month after dry-planting Monte Carlo along Java Moss to start rooting, and another month to grow at its full potential.
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Can you do this for a salt water setup?
Finally set up the tank, staring at it, expecting plants to grow while watching XD- did it the dry start method
Found this while in the middle of my DS appreciate your incite and information
Excellent! Glad to hear it!
For corals? No, not that I know of.
I’m glad you still have that enthusiasm! DSM looking good brother!
Thanks brother!
I had the same issue with my aquascape, it eluded me time after time. Day after day. I drew what I wanted on paper at work and at home. Until I went outside and hiked and saw a fallen tree that landed almost like nature intended. I’m not a philosophical person, but in my understanding of nature by its very nature is chaotic. I finalized my aquascape as a fallen tree in a creek bed. It was perfect.
Nature is chaotically organized. :)
This acc had me laughing with the subtle jokes and informative love it!!
I'm glad you enjoyed! :)
thank you for sharing. be sure to upload your next project using soil. ADA Amazonia, in my experience, is very high in substances that tend to burn stem plants.
Will do! I think I will reboot it trying soil and dry starting it. A few people expressed interest in seeing that.
I would as well :)
One of my favorite channels keep posting
Thanks buddy! Tank on Tankon! :)
Great video 👍 I tried to do this method once with Very bad results but I am going to try it again with your tips when I get another tank thank you
You can do it! Good luck!
This is awesome. I rarely see these 'more artistic' 'tekashi amano esk' aquascapes in a budget tank
Thanks!
Looks great love the java moss growing on the rock, think i want try that on wood
It will work great!
You're like my sensei in planted aquarium
Hahaha thanks!
Great teaching and tips, Sifu. Can you do "seeding" grass to form the carpet?. The question that I don't get answered is, "will that lasts once you fill the tank?". Thanks.
It really depends on the seeds you get. There's lots of sellers out there that are selling you seed that aren't really what they say they are.
Hello from Poland ✋.Great video 👍
Hello Poland! Thanks for watching 🙂
Is green slime algae that life-ending for a tank? So sad to hear it all went to waste. Was there no remedy for it?
Love your channel, thanks for the GREAT vids.
No. I could have just blacked it out but at the time I was so busy and just didn't bother with it and the plants died off from its coverage but mainly just from neglect. Nothing went to waste. I learned tons from the process, I got footage to make the video and its nothing I can't just simply do again. It's only wasted when nothing came out of it.
You're rockin it bro! Love this tank
Thanks Robert!
Thanks for the video! Best TH-cam video on DSM I think. Question: did you trim the HC right after you flooded the tank? Would you recommend trimming off ALL the leaves? Would that kill them? Thanks again.
Thanks for the compliment! :) Yes, it's highly suggested that you do. The HC would have grown pretty decently thick during the emersed period. So you want to give it a good trim so that the root don't rot. If you trim all the leave and just leave the stems intact it will grow back. It would probably grow back even more full if you did that. The problem is it take a lot of time to do that but it won't harm the plants. It would actually be better in the sense it'll grow out more.
Incredible.
Some shrimp and nano fish would look incredible in there.
Thanks!
New Subscriber 👍 and one like for all the details and your patience 😁
Thanks for the sub!
Nice video. Thank you, sir!
Thanks for watching!
This was dope to watch and I'd love to try this on a small tank.
Go for it! :)
@@TheWaterBox I'll definitely try it out on my next build! Watching some.of your videos for my new tank setup and getting ideas for what to use.
Definitely! If you want more ideas, join the facebook group! :) Lots of peeps there that can help with that. :)
You got me subscribing with the statement " all it did was me wanting to punch.." 🤣🤣 great one
For some reason, people like punching ducks. go figure. ;) Thanks for subbing
Nice video man 👌👍
Thanks!
That so cool that chopping up the moss and painting it on is an option thanks for your let me know
You bet!
Great video! very informative and i appreciate the time you put into it!
Thanks Noah! I hope it really helps!
Thank you for the video, I’ve done DSM a week ago and it seems like some of my plants are browning. I have light on about 10 hours a day, I water them once in the morning and once at night, I have saran wrap covering the tank, feels humid when I put my hand inside the tank to give them a little air for 5 to 10 minutes. What am I missing that’s causing some of my clumps of plants to start browning?
Well made video!
Thanks
Great video. Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it helped!
you never fail to amazed me! very nice!
Thanks buddy!
"With the rage of wanting to punch a duck" bahahahaha
Great video as always! Would like to ask if its possible to leave the tank outside, would it be best for the plants? Fan from the Philippines 😀
You can and use the sun as your light source but leaving you tank outside can introduce b ugs and critters into your tank.
The Water Box If I cover it with glass would that be fine?
Sure but you need to air out the tank with leaving opennings so you can't just keep the whole tank covered.
Thank You.
No, thank you. :)
Maybe a crazy question, but since CO2 is heavier than oxygen (air) could you combine the DSM and still add CO2 in the tank?
I suspect the plant growth will run rampant 🤔
Very Zen! Also, informative.
Thanks for watching!
I am definitely gon try this method. I hope this will work on seeds as well but will gonna do the moss painting.
It SHOULD work with seeds. I'm going to try that in the future project.
I tried the dry start method after watching all your inspiring videos, and into my 2nd week after watching couple of other videos got into painting java moss (yoghurt method) on driftwood. Now I have white mould starting to show up in my driftwood alone. While it might be harmless, it's killing the looks. Please suggest a way to get rid of it?
Hit it with Hydrogen Peroxide :)
I have only ever gotten green slime algae when I use ADA aquasoil. Never considered it, but is that substrate the culprit?
Most likely. You'd have to keep on top of it and hit those WC when it looks like it's just spiking too much.
Thank you for sharing this great video and patiently filming it for us 😀👍🏻🌱 Can I do this method in a low- tech tank where I will not be using CO2?
Probably not. The carpet used here requires high co2 and if you try something like Dwarf Hair Grass that doesn't require high Co2, you need to compensate the time from dry to being flooded to ease them into losing all that co2 to grow. There are other techniques such as filling the tank slowly over weeks but I've never tried that.
@@TheWaterBox Thank you Chung for your response and help me understand. I’ll get back to you with any experiments and updates :-)
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I'm assuming the "painting" the moss on drift wood also works?
yes. It works very well on wood
I'm gonna start this month after my pay and hopefully I can buy some equipment so I succeed
This takes a ton of time to do , but looks damn good
Yeh, it does. But it's a good method to establish a carpet easily.
Does the guacamole method work with riccia?
It should
Do you recommend this method for a beginner? I will be setting up my first tank next month and want to grow a carpet, this looks very promising. I will be going all in with co2 and medium to high lighting
Sure. If the person wants to take on a challenge. Many beginners uses this method with great results. It's up to the person,
You already kno I been binge watching while I uber and lyft every day lol
Cool!
Subbed! Great tank, really came out nice. Maybe the algae was due to too much CO2? I'm thinking either that, or cut back the 10 hr light to 6 to 8... It's a learning phase for all of us.
That could possibly it. At the end all I kept reading are guesses how it happened. At least I know how to get rid of it now. :)
If I pull my hard scape out of my current tank and use in the DSM, will the bacteria stay since I will be keeping the humidity high or will it die off during the method
It'll most likely die off
Just picked up a 20 long from petco with their $1 per gallon too. De Rimmed it and ready for an Iwagumi dry start project.
Is this all tap water?
Yup! Just on tap.
What plant did u use for the carpet?
Question… I also have a 20 long from the dollar a gallon sale big box store. I followed your link to the lighting and I just want to make sure it’s the correct one? The link leads to the 20” instead of 30”.
Make sure to switch to the 30" one. The amazon links sometimes links to a product with different options and lands on the wrong one.
I guess I missed the part you say what plant you used in the carpet? It's HC, right? What does that stand for?
Yes. HC. Stand for Hemianthus callitrichoides "Cuba"
how many bubbles per second would you run with livestock in the tank ?
I'd start with one per sec and go from there
I've been trying to do this method several times already, and the problem is always either lack of water or too humid until mold started to grow.
Mold is fine. If you get it, hit it with hydrogen peroxide.
You could possibly also use springtails to help combat mold
Nice tank! What kind of glass tubing is that? I’m wondering where I can get a glass attachment like that where the water comes out from
The glass tubing is lily pipes. Just do a search on amazon or ebay for "Aquarium Glass Lily Pipes" and tons of results should pop up. Thanks for watching! 😀
you don't need c02 if you add water half an inch a day.
Great!
This is a good method for any beginners, though some on algae stuff needs more info (I tried with hc cuba seeds) potting soil might not be adequate (I'm using evo stuff for soils, budget limited)
Thanks for commenting!
Is it ok to grow dsm if you don't have co2 injection once you fill the tank?
Probably not, especially NOT with a plant like HC. I'm actually doing a video about this question since I'm getting the question. I'll be released probably this week.
Hello,
What is this mini external heater that you have?
I don't have a mini external heater on this tank?
I think you are referring to his inline CO2 diffuser
Hi, is it ok to use powder type instead of normal type?
Yes.
What plant you use boss and where can i buy one?
Where? The carpet is Hemianthus callitrichoides 'Cuba' and the long grass in the back are standard Tall Hair Grass. I don't know where they are in stock right now but you can always check places like Dustins Fishtanks and h2oplants.com
Quick question - what substrate did you use? What you have listed in the description is different than the video. Can black flourite seachem be substituted for ADA Power sand. Thanks in advance! Love the content - first channel I've ever subscribed to, and first comment I've ever left on TH-cam.
Flourite doesn't have active nutrient in it like ADA Power Sand does. Another option you can check out would be Contrasoil.
can i spray them with easy green.maybe once a week
Mist them every day with easy green dosed in the water? Yes. It should work.
can i use direct sunlight instead of electrical light for my aquarium bowl? if i use sunlight do i still need 8-10 hours or less is enough? thank
You can, you just can control it so you'll most likely end up with algae. I just don't know enough about your set up and what you're trying to do to answer you. Sorry
Hi, love the way of using dsm method. But may I ask the moss you used is it submerged or emersed ?
The moss I grew emersed and then flooded it just like I did with the carpet.
I noticed that you didn't rinse any of your substrates.. I just bought Tropica aquarium soil and Tropica plant growth substrate and I'm worried that once they're layered, I won't be able to clean either if my tank becomes super cloudy
For ADA Aquasoil that I'm using in this tank, there's no need to rinse it. It's pretty clean. I'm not sure if Tropica needs rinsing but I know for sure most fluval substrates do. It's very dusty.
What is the ratio of water and moss?
Ummm.... I don't actually know. Best way to describe it is "Creamed Spinach". Most of the water will flow away when you apply it to the rocks/wood anyways.
How long did it take to fully grow the carpet out? I’m trying to do this in a small 10L tank how long would it take to grow out think in a small tank? Would carpet grass seeds work better or is it better to use store bought tissue cultures? What would be faster for a small tank?
And if I use the tissue culture method do I have to wait 8 weeks before I can fill it with water?
It depends. All tanks are different. Small or large. It depends on how much you plant. When I DSM, I tend to go longer then what most people do (up to 10 weeks) because I care more about getting a good carpet in than rushing to fill it and stock it. That's what usually get people to fail. They don't wait long enough. As to carpet seeds, well, better watch this video: th-cam.com/video/cpTXEaq7y98/w-d-xo.html
i love your videos, i have two questions... 1. will the bottom die if you just let hc grow? like montecarlo.. 2. i dsm the hc for 7 weeks now without pinning it to the substrate , and its carpeting well and nice .. will it hang loose when i flood it or will there be any problem once i opt to flood it? TIA master :)
1. Yes, for any carpeting plant, the lower portions can die. Thus why we trim... or mow the lawn. ;)
2. HC DSMed for 7 week should have the roots grown into the substrate by now. You should be fine. :)
Can I put fish immediately after filling? Can I do without Co2? Thanks great video
Test you waters first. Dry start supposively cycles your substrate but I'm always wary about it. Co2 depends on what you are trying to grow. Something like HC you should be using co2. You have to remember, you will get die back so you need the plants to recover fast and co2 will do that. If not it will grow slow you will have to watch it close, do water changes if needed to stop ammonia spikes.
Such a great video! Question??
Do i have to use co2 for DTM? (I'm in the planning stages for my first planted tank. 8.5 gl. For my first go at this, I'm not going to use co2, so a simple tank setup) So does this mean I should not use the DMS?
It depends on what you're trying to grow. If you're using DSM, then you're trying to establish and grow a carpet. Most carpeting plants are high maintenance so most of the time you will need Co2 to keep it going. But with a small 8.5, you might be ok. What are you trying to grow?
Hello .im using a 5gallon tank and its currently in DSM. my carpet plant is Dwarf hairgrass. Its been two week but there seem no growth. I watch some video in youtube using DHG in DSM. in just two weeks DHG already start to propagate. Some are telling me that it is better for DHG to fill the tank after i planted DHG and use FERTZ AND CO2. They said that it is a better way to propagate fast the DHG. Now im confused if im going to stick in DSM or follow their recommendation. Hope you notice me😅 thankyou
What substrate are you using?
@@TheWaterBox im using a ista premium aquasoil. I think it's made in japan. Base on the writings on the packaging. Thanks a lot
@@ashleyavellaneda5892 Ah, well I'm not sure what that means. If it's active substrate, your DHG should be growing. Give it another week and see what happens. Sometimes i grows slower for other people that other depending on the environment.
Light, On time hours pls?
10 to 12 hours a day.
Hi, I have set up a pico tank using the dry start method... I have used Hemianthus Umbrosum as the carpet... The plant has spread well... Can you guide me to food the tank, please?
Also, I will be dosing liquid carbon as co2 is not set up for this tiny tank.... Let me know if this would kill the plants...
start with an all in one fert first and go from there if you don't know much about all the different types of nutrients plants need
@@TheWaterBox Thanks for the tip. I do have an all in one ferts that I dose for a planted cube tank... I had actually used it in the water I sprayed on the plants.... I guess it gave good results
My concern is if the Hemianthus would die without the pressurized co2... I do dose my other tanks with liquid carbon....
@@aaronin1725 Usually all in one fert will work fine. It's easy. You would use individual dosing for better control.
@@TheWaterBox I don't have to worry about pressurized co2?
Is it possible to work with CO2 bottles aswel? Like a liquid version?
For the dry start method, it'll be very hard but I have never actually tried is so I can't really say. But the liquid carbon stuff works differently than it does with injecting actual Co2. Might be a good experiment to try.
@@TheWaterBox Well i tried it, and its going great. If you wanne take a look. Feel free!
I made a procespost about it, it is my first planted tank tho and i added allot of iron food pellets.
Oh yeah, it is all done thanks to your tutorials!
www.reddit.com/r/PlantedTank/comments/glk0eh/my_first_scape/
Hey, that looks GREAT!
The Water Box thank you! The carpet is almost gone, i’ve added a pack of amanoshrimps wich ate all the roots above the substrate. When i discovered it was them after my exams i took them out but it already was too late... half of the carpet floating around in wich i took out. Now i have a HUGE algae boom out of the sudden. Could it be by the lack of planting? Other plants seem to consume thereselfs underneath the algae as i give them less light. I’m really on the edge of motivation getting things back together for this tank... :(
It’s been just 8 days but i kinda like how my carpet looks, is it okay to flood now?
You can, sure, but I'd wait another week. You want to let the roots grow in.
do you think it's a shorter time to flood if you grow from seeds? since they don't have to worry about the initial die-back of the roots? (i.e. they're already acclimated to their environment since it's all they've known)?
Hola Lauren. I just don't recommend seeds. Check out this video where I talking about it: th-cam.com/video/cpTXEaq7y98/w-d-xo.html
@@TheWaterBox Unfortunately it's too late but I had SUCH great success, I'm actually shocked. I figured it would be a hit or miss but the tank has been flooded for a week now and there has been no die off and I just have a LUSH, thick carpet-- it's beautiful! Check out my Insta: RI_shrimptanks -- it's about ALL I've been posting about for the past few weeks
That sounds good! Let me know if it's still going well after a few months. :) You might have gotten lucky with getting the right seeds.
Yeh, that grew out pretty lush. Looking good.
If someone in the community could answer this one question of mine, I'd really appreciate it. I've done DSM before but not with a carpet plant. I've been growing one for the past two weeks with DSM. I'm going to absolutely continue DSM until the carpet grows out a lot more. I have an aquarium ornament (a hobbit house) in the center. When I eventually flood the tank, there will be a pocket of air inside the ornament. Of course I pull it out and flip it over to get the air bubbles out, but odds are that will unsettle some of the carpet plant around it. I know the air bubbles aren't the same as toxic air bubbles that can be found in certain substrates such as sand, but I can't help but wonder if this is something I should be worried about. Are those pockets of air in the ornament something I should worry about when I flood it? Thank you for your time xD
That’s because of Ammonia Spike.
Do water change and add some micro life. That will help you a great deal !
That’s a too late reply but just saw your message 😅
Would it be a problem if I added more plants in the middle of a dry start?
Nope. you can do that. I have plenty times.
excuse me sir, how long is the lighting in one day?
During Dry Start, I usually have it on for 14 to 16 hours
@@TheWaterBox ok thank's a lot for information, i'll try.. 🙏🙏👍
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How much the wattage of your light?
For this tank, it's a Finnex FugeRay Planted+. The wattage doesn't matter in planted tanks.
Trying my first DSM in 7 gal nano cube.
Yay! Good luck! I hope it works out!
Did you use Ada aquasoil, orthe affiliate links? Also, did you connect both affiliate canister filters to it????
I used ADA. Just one canister.
Hello. What is the name of main plant you planted along the substrate?
It's called Hemianthus callitrichoides 'Cuba' aka HC aka Dwarf Baby Tears
Can this method be applied on growing stem plants like rotala or ludwigia?
As long as they can be grown emersed, yes. You'll have to look it up to see if they can be.
Can I have 10 hour a day light, but then at night turn on black light ?
Sure. that's not a problem
Im planning to use this method now. Im a beginner actually.
Good luck!
thank you! I've learned a lot from your videos.
No problem! Glad it helps!
What are your thoughts on using dry method with seeds?
Some work, some won't. It's kinda a gamble depending where you get your seeds.
Hi, great video! I was wondering how much liquid co2 substitute i would need instead of the co2 installation, since i have a nano tank in which i try to accomplish what you did!
You don't. Not with liquid carbon to grow HC like this.
Hej! I've thought about co2 and actually bought a co2 system for my tank. I have one problem, i dry started the tank about a week ago and i'm starting to see a big portion of the monte carlo which i planted starting to fade away, get "slimy". I can't figure out what i did wrong since i followed your, and some other tutorials.. any ideas on this?
@@D1on1995 Define slmiey? Is the plant itself turning slimey or is there a slimey substance on it? Also, plants will die back during DSM, especially if it came from a source where it was grown underwater. It should grow back during the DSM process.
The plant itself is turning a bit brown and slimey on some spots, but i've seen people just sprinkling the plants on top instead of planting them so mine should be fine right? I guess it's the die back like you said. They were kept submerged at the shop so that'll probably be it! Thanks, again! 👌
@@D1on1995 Yeh sounds like die back. Also you can "sprinkly" it on time though it's better to bury a little of it so roots can grow into the substrate easier. It'll still grow into the substrate if you "Sprinkle" it on but it'll take longer for that to happen and might not complete root into the substrate.
Where would you suggest the best place for lighting where to buy it
michael val-pelt I just get mine from Amazon or you can get them from a shop like aquarium co-op
I just started a very similar setup - curious to know whether you used just normal water to spray or had liquid fertilizer in the water for this video? Otherwise I wonder where the Java moss would get its nitrogen from?
Just normal since I was using ADA
@@TheWaterBox but the Java moss is on the rock, not on the substrate right?
@@hyunchullee2269 Right but the java moss didn't need dosing. It's a pretty hardy moss.
Is there a difference in the substrate product used before hard scape and the substrate used after placing hard scape? Thanks!
I'm not sure what you mean? You would use the same substrate as you started and once you flood as you would any other aquarium.
Thank you. In the video you put soil down before hard scape and then another small layer after. Wasn’t sure if this was the same soil or something different. Thanks for the info.
@@jonathanbramble3770 That was a preference thing and has nothing to do with the method itself. I put down the bottom layer first then the rocks and then the top layer (cap) just so the rocks will look more naturally buried.
Fill the tank just below the substrate? I have a montain like scape, the back has higher substrate and the bottom has low. How would I fill it up
Just fill it to the lowest point and you can keep the substrate wet on the higher points with misting. The moister in the substrate is really there to make sure it keeps you tank humid.