What's the Fastest Way to Beat-In a Disc?
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- What would you do if you lost your favorite disc right before the big local tournament? Beat-in a replacement the night before of course...
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I was doing field work about 15 yrs ago and shanked a putter (wizard) into the road.. a minivan came along and ran it over... I was so mad until I threw it again - it became my favorite disc for the next 10 yrs, it was straight as an arrow!
I love the focus on the science behind the discs when you do these videos. Super high quality content, I love it.
Missed a big one - buy used at your local brick-n-mortar!! I guess it depends on access to a good disc store, but most will have a used section. I've found some of my favorite discs this way, and I now make a point to sort through my local shop's used section for my favorite molds every time I go in. I've got a decent back up for all of my favorite molds in both new and used.
Whoever suggested the mean stare deserves a patch.
Here in Nashville, just leave it in the dash of a car that’s parked outside in the summer heat 😂
I've left a Trance on my roof for a few weeks. Let's see what happens when I bother to retrieve it.
Yea, if I have a disc that I want to get a touch less stable, I'll leave it out in the sun for a week or two (this can change the color of the plastic and fade the stamp) but it definitely beats it in a touch. I especially do this with mvp molds which often have a higher degree of off-the-shelf over stability.
Appreciate you looking out for the trees 🫡
I like the dryer method best because I know I can do it in increments to get the perfect flight. However... The hot/cold method also seems like it might be able to achieve this.
You're going to be nominated for an Oscar for that acting at the beginning of the video. Love it LOL :)
Nonono, the mean stare bad mouthing is what clinches the award.
I actually think the mallet technique, or a hammer with cloth on the head, is just as realistic as any other. If you're residing in a house chances are there will be tools available. And not all houses have a smooth solid surface to throw a disc into. I only have a rough brick wall in the interior in my Baltimore rowhome.
+1 for car method. Works immediately. Just need a domey OS driver to start
Placing the disc in the dryer and bending method has worked for me. I only did this on 2 discs because it didn’t feel genuine. Great informative and entertaining content as always on this channel! 👍
Would you be willing to do a first impressions video on Neptune or Stokely/Ching? It's a good time for both of them as Neptune just rereleased their premier driver the squid and Scott Stokely just unveiled his third mold and his acquisition of Ching. Also, both of them are run by very amicable people who i'm sure would be willing to be interviewed if you wanted to.
I bend it with my hands, depending on wether I want it to be understandable or overstable, depends on which way I bend it. Makes my grip stronger in the process.
"where did you get that stamp, the toilet store?" 🤣. good stuff. I have heard a number of these over the years and I have yet to actually try them, it is cool to see that some of them actually have merit! I am in the camp of "don't throw/rely on super beat in stuff" - I'd rather be able to off-the-shelf replace things when I can. that is easier said than done, though, I definitely have a ton of seasoned things in my bag that I will be heartbroken when the time comes. ironically enough, one of my favorites, is a super beat in zeus.
I jus had to do this exact thing. A week before a tournament, I lost my flippy-er Pharoah. Bought one in a slightly softer plastic and threw a few spike-hyzers on asphalt. It worked, and I used it for the tournament, but the edge was a lot more torn up and uncomfortable. Will try the dryer method with a more premium blend in the future.
I would’ve honestly never thought about beating in the disk like a baseball glove. But I have a couple in my bag that are way over stable. Guess I’m gonna have to try this out.
These are my favorite type of videos!!!
I use a dryer on disc often, I ussually puy in several discs at once, no towels and runn the dryer for about 45 min on high. This makes MOST disc significantly more understable. I recently did this to a Fission Time Lapse and LOVE the results. This does NOT WORK well on soft Proton Plastic, I turned a MVP Vanish into the most stable disc I have ever held... I think it turned up the wing a bit. Great video, thanks!
My dryer method is to turn off the heat, put the disc inside a pillow case and run it for about an hour. Works great for me
I'm a dryer guy hand over fist and since I leave my discs in my trunk 99% of the time, if they do get warped I automatically dryer them and then set them on the table. Usually. If I absolutely have to and there's a really bad warp I will actually lay it flight plate down. This is where there's some debate here, but I will put a bowl in the middle of it on while it's on a plate in order to match the dome that it otherwise would have
Green discs look pretty cool but they always yearn to return to the forest eventually 😞🌳🌿 RIP my yellow-green Jawbreaker Zone
A method I use is filling up the disc with boiling water from my electric kettle, let it sit for two minutes, then bend it like a taco for abit, after that let it sit flat on the counter as it cools down, maybe suction it down for ten seconds then release the pressure. Do that once or twice then try it out.
If you want some consistency I would recommend cement mixer with rough stones sized from a few mm to about an inch and some water would probably do the job with least effort.
dryer is wayyyy easier...and who actually has a cement mixer!
Totally gonna try the dryer! Just throw in threre with my clothes
Leopards, prepare to get fluffy 😂
Old method was to throw a bunch of thumbers to land on hard-packed ground
Wound love to save myself the trouble.
I'll comment again after laundry day
Look at you being all round.
14:18 I would put a baseball in my glove n put it under my mattress.
I usually just park em in my car but the dryer trick would be great for all those 12 speed destroyer clones my noodle arm cant throw...hope i can bring some discs back into rotation now! Thanks Greg!
Spiking my discs a bunch into a piece of lumber has always worked for me, and the results are more predictable and can be done in increments. Gouging the rim and wing never sat right with me or I would have just used a tree.
I may try the dryer method in the future.
Thanks for the video!
Definitely intrigued by the oven/ice bath method.
I find the temperature related methods super interesting. I guess they make sense since they are affecting the bond between the plastic particles, but I didn't expect them to cause as much change in flight compared to physical wear on the rim. Also, if I ever saw your tent set up at a tournament, I would totally stop by to say how much I appreciate your channel and how in depth your testing and comparisons are. I straight up get excited every time I see a new one of your vids pop up.
it makes sense you are changing the lip angle, heating it up and making it more malleable makes the edge of the disc droop, instantly cooling (flash cooling) after locks that droop in. yes it will spring back some which is why multiple times is needed, it's very similar to the dryer and bending you are doing the same thing.
@@nickkuhns5812 That does make a lot of sense. I didn't think about how loosening the plastic bond in the flight plate would lower the parting line.
i did about 100 full power throws into the garage pavement with my thunderbird a while back and while it didnt gain any turn it just pushes farther before having the same awesome fade.
was about to look this question up this week. great video as always.
Would be interesting to see the exact science behind the stability for hot / cold and the dryer / flex. Break it down on a molecular level and how the elasticity you're creating effects the stability. To me, you're taking a Star plastic and breaking down the bonds to resemble more of a G-Star plastic.
You should try the ground spike method on a public road, the rougher asphalt should break in simolar to tree bark
Fantastic video! Thank you for doing this.
Super helpful! Thank you
I like the rubber hammer the best as it's a little more subtle for given the amount of time you did it. Also leaves no marks on the discs
I try to buy flights i want/need. Cause I tend to loose a lot of discs. Especially the ones i actually throw for some reason. Then again, I would feel like a proper bigwig, hyzerflipping that timelapse hogging that anhyzer chop slot in my bag.
Yes, i can see it allready;
"Woow, nice s-curve. What disc was that, Grace?" - Cardmate-in-awe
"Naah, Timelapse. Been doing some formwork recently" - Me-throbbing-with-bigdisc-energy
I tried adding some dome to it by placing it upside down over a pot of very hot water and putting a glass bottle on top of it. The dome was there, but unsurprisingly uneven and way too big, and it flew even worse then, so it has now become my on-the-wall disc. Lesson learned.
that was incredibly educational. I always assumed the beating in was sanding off the bottom edge, thus lowering the parting edge. You disproved that with almost every method.
One of my favorite very understabke discs was an old fairway that a friend of mine had that got run over by a city bus. It took the mild dome to board flat and made it extremely flippy! Made for great lines until i lost it!
A different dryer method that I heard was to throw disc in no heat and no other objects. The ridges in the dryer would work like trees. I have also heard of “tuning” the disc by taco bending it at 90 degree increments and that inverse taco style can increase stability. My guess is that tuning would be trying to alter wing height.
Thanks for the content.
I disagree with the fundamental premise here that the outside edge of the rim is the primary factor for stability.
I think it's actually the bottom edge of the rim. I came to this because I got some discs that had extra plastic at the mold release line around that bottom edge of the rim (Prodigy does this all the time), and they were super beefy. I variously ground (just rubbing on the tee pad or pavement) or shaved this edge off, and got em back to "normal" stability. Ground a bit more as a test and they went understable. I *think*, that normal discs beat in over time from sliding/skipping off the ground grinding down that bottom edge (rounding it off, or just making it thinner over all). Keep in mind, it's already well known that the distance from bottom edge to parting line is a strong indicator of stability (high parting line, overstable.. low parting line understable).
Take a look at that bottom edge on the disc you ran over with the car. I'll bet it's squished down relative to a new disc. Also the hot/cold one might be melting that bottom edge slightly as it sits on a hot pan.
Oh, and I also have some light weight (150-153 gram) G-Star (soft plastic) Bosses that I use only for forehand hyzer approach shots over trees so they pretty much *only* land on their outside edge, which is now seriously torn up. Yet they are every bit as stable as they were on day one, and I attribute this to the fact that bottom edge of the rim is still pristine.
you are always welcome in CO! come throw if you head this way!
I was acutally contemplating beating in a couple of new dsics, as i want to "mold minimalize" my bag :) so by beating some discs in i cxould skip the process a bit forward :)
I feel like you need to do a second round of these tests where you compare the best two from this set with some new options.
I bend mine downwords with a close grip in a twisting motion (like ripping a paper) went like 15 laps on the disc then my destroyer was a roller disc, i tried different plastic of the same mold and that made a difference to, some did not change at all and some got reeeeealy beat in, try it!:)
Should try scuffing up the bottom instead of the leading edge. The bottom edge has a huge impact on how air separates in flight.
I put mine in the dryer on low heat for about 20 minutes. Repeat 2 or 3 times
a couple shuffles on the tee pad and its money
The easy part is to heat up the disc (dryer, oven or even boiling the disc); the hard part is to enforce the new shape you want while it cools down.
After I have the disc nice and warm, I stick that disc in the middle of tightly packed disc golf bag 😁
@@Ishiisan Yep, I stack up tons of discs on top, plus some extra weight. But I havent figured out yet the best way to apply evenly pressure on the edge of the disc and push the wing up or down depending if I want the disc to be more or less overstable...
i beat my discs in skipping them on empty parking place, i do it mostly on gravel parking place but i have heard ppl doin it on tarmac allso.
100 degrees? In a trunk? Here in the SW, we're having temps of 115+. In the trunk of a white car that could be 140. In the trunk of a black car that could be 160-170. Still, I like the methodology of the all the tests, and this was very informative. Great info.
I honestly see the hammer trick as the most realistic and effective. Those rubber mallets cost $5 and you can use any hard surface it doesn’t have to be an anvil. It seems to be work the fastest with the least amount of effort involved. 10/10 gonna try. All the others seem blah and will take more time.
My problem is the opposite. I like my distance drives best when new so i get a reliable fade to the right on my forehand.
I do the heat and bend method. Ill hold the disc infrom of a space heater or let it sit on the sidewalk in the sun until the plastic is heated up and then bend it down word only. Never bend them up towards the stamp of the disc.
going to try this on my Thunderbirds
Just bend it around the edges without the dryer. Start at one point in the disc and bend it every inch around the disc until you get back to the same point. You can do it at the course and get it where you want it.
Tried the dryer method with success before
@sixsideddiscs
If....if someone were develop a tried and true system to "destabilize" a disc without damage to the diac, would there be a market for it?
-What do you do for a living?
-I'm a professional disc beater.
Stove and ice was an interesting result.
The only disc I stare at and say mean things to is my putter after a 15ft chain out.
Buy more discs from Six Sided Discs and compare them, the replacement is right there in the shelf. ;D
Well I’m about to throw my first run Mint ALVA in the dryer tomorrow morning haha
Here's a tip for making a clash discs pepper flippy. Just bend the disc in half from various angles out of frustration. Don't forget to bend the wing downward as well. Does work for other discs too!
I'll play fetch with my dog if it's a premium plastic (champion/star). As long as he doesn't get an opportunity to sit and chew on the disc it will usually hold up well.
This method also gives me an opportunity to do field work with the disc and not have to collect it after each throw.
😳 This guy playing 4-D chess over here! Fieldwork, not having to retrieve the disc, exercising your dog, and beating the disc in all at once.
I was putting them in the dryer years ago.
Dryer?
@@waynebryant1857 Grammar cop.😂
I ran a star firebird in my dryer 5 times and it didn't even phase it lol
Talking shit to a disc is not something that I knew I needed in my life until I seen it. 10/10 trash talk.
I’m 100% trying the dryer method
No dish washer test?
I think it would be cool to have Caleb throw like 5 with each disc and then do some sort of maths to get an average value, since he's already out there. Would definitely be more conclusive for determining things, since spin rates, release angle and all that can vary so much with a human thrower. You can tell he naturally throw the beat ones higher expecting that turn as well
i wish there was something like a pitching machine for discs so that people could test discs without human error involved
trying the dryer method on a Timelapse right now.
How did that work out for you?
Nice anvil!
I borrowed my brother in law's setup, I have to say he's got one of everything in that garage, good stuff!
Worth noting is that doing this might make the disc illegal (rule 813.01).
I am playing a glow league and I'm not into a couple of the glow discs I have, maybe this can fix em up for me.
it took me precisely 11 minutes to subscribe.. Zeus, "You Suck!" 😆
Mail it with no bubble wrap or cardboard backing and then have them return to the sender.
This is so true it hurts LOL
I just throw discs. I enjoy buying new discs so i prefer to do research and buy discs that fly how i want out the bag.
Why is it so difficult to make a disc that flies like it's supposed to right out of the box? Like I can buy a DX Leopard and it turns super hard when I throw in, but a champion one goes straight with a fade at the end. Same flight numbers.....
Preach.
My go to was always either throwing it back and forth in a gravel lot or throwing into a chain link fence, always seemed to get the job done.
Could you explain why people want to beat in a discs instead of buying a more understable mold? Whats the reason to beat it in?
They fly differently. An understable disc won't fade as much as a beat in overstable one. The scuffs and dings on the side of the rim also add some magical properties to the flight. Trust us, it's just better
replace the hammer and anvil with a stump and a log
A cycle in the dishwasher, it’ll probably remove the stamp but…..
So random but I have a cousin who looks and an acts just lile you, and he too drives a Honda pilot.. well he just sold it, but he did for the longest time.
What's the word for a doppelganger that also copies your life and personality? lol Sounds like a cool dude!
I’d probably wrap it in a towel and do the car.
I'm a dryer guy. I just throw in a pair of shoes, set it on high, and go to dinner. An hour or so later, it's done.
Shouldn't run your dryer if you're not home. Lots of fires start in the dryer.
I'm still back in the Rock 3 I bought from you guys at last year's lws
Sooo i tried the oven/freezer method on my new neutron time lapse... after 3/4 cycles it has become boardflat and flies like a Tilt 😱 what did i do wrong ? Should i continue?
It is definitely not an exact science, we just shared our results. That being said, I'm guessing it was pretty domey to start and the change from dome to flat may have made it more OS by changing the wing shape and angle. If you wanted it to get more understable, I would probably suggest a different method. What temp was the oven on? Perhaps it was too hot? Our warm setting is only about 100-120 I think.
@@SixSidedDiscs ohhhhhh fahrenheit... sh😱😱😱 im in celcius !!!
:O Me being so American I forget about Celcius... Hope your disc is okay!
@@SixSidedDiscs 🤣 should have had some sort of reason in my mind, telling me that something wasnt quite right 🫣
Not sure, i will try to see if the rubber mallet and maybe the drier option can fix this 👐🏼 otherwise, hey i got my self a Tilt
Cheaper than buying a Tilt, that's for sure! Hope it works out!
I know this is boring, but just buy a lighterweight version of the same disc. Especially, if you have the good sense to through mostly MVP/Axiom discs since they come in a larger variety of weights than other manufacturers
I have done this before and the lighter weight model was dramatically more overstable. What you're suggesting might generally be true, but it's not a certainty.
Wind
Just slide it across concrete right side up
Unfortunately, what you need more than anything is yo know what your disc is going to do when you throw it. If crunch time, I would probably rather just throw the new one as much as possible to find out.
Interesting. If I get a new (to me) disc, I simply learn how to throw it.
I think it's more realistic that people have a hammer than a dryer.
You think Gen Z and Millennial have hammers and hang their clothes out to dry? Idk... speaking as a millennial I'm not sure sure lol
@@SixSidedDiscs Ok, maybe there are cultural differences between Finland and the USA
Ah that makes more sense! This is a good reminder for myself that our international audience has a wide variety of experiences that I haven't! Thanks for your comments!
Just remove the flashing with light sanding as allowed by the PDGA. No need for anything else to be done.
I wonder what your in-laws neighbors thought watching you throw it at the tree over and over.
Me throwing at the tree is not the weirdest thing going on over there LOL
I'm a fan of finding new discs that fly the way I like easy to replace...
If my disc hitting a tree damages it (the tree) enough to change its existence in any meaningful way whatsoever then it deserves to suffer in tree purgatory because it was weak.
I throw mine. Duh
I could not throw $20 piece of plastic in good conscience against the ground on porpoise
What about on dolphin?
@@leadboots72 finna man up & step to tee
Manatee
Dolphin's go hard hyzer!
pretty sure this violates PDGA rule 801.01.C.1 but you all do you boo!
I totally understand this perspective and I'm sure many of them do violate some rules. My biggest issue these days is that the PDGA knows full well that people do stuff like this, but there is no way to enforce it. How would a cardmate determine that I ran over my disc, instead of throwing it for 3 months? Does Paul McBeth make a disc illegal by angrily bending a disc after a missed putt? Some of the rules were clearly setup because of a single instance or issue/complaint and then just sit there, unenforceable.
@@SixSidedDiscs I'm still new and don't even have a PDGA number, so I'm completely unaware of this - is there anyone actually auditing bags or taking discs aside to see if they've been modified? I'm doubting this in the first place, and I'm also doubting that anyone is going to be able to take a look at a disc and see if it's been "illegally" modified unless it's something completely egregious, like someone cutting or gouging their disc with a knife with an obvious pattern. Though, it truly does make me wonder if some of the pros out there have their own "special recipes" for money discs. And, to be honest, even if they did - I'd be in favor of it just like I beat in my baseball glove back in the day.
Also - I think there's a great video idea in here - What are the discs that -are- the perfect beat-in versions of discs that people love. What is the best out-of-box beat in Buzzz? (Streamline Echo?) What is the beat-in Teebird, Firebird, Destroyer, Envy, etc.,etc.?
@SixSidedDiscs that's your "perspective".. i quoted the rule. and new players will watch this and think it's ok to do
@nomad182 if anyone even questions a disc legality it can't be used during the round anymore.. so best not to even tempt it
@@zac71786 well aren't you fun at parties lol