Big shoutout to Vessi for sponsoring this video! Get 15% off your first order using my link - 👟 vessi.com/bodanza And of course, massive shoutout to Nick! Please subscribe to him if you want to get better, or just watch a shirtless guy throw 💣💣💣
Any way you can coax Vessi into making some wide width shoes? I wear EE or EEEE width shoes and trying to get normal shoes to fit my width means I need to wear almost "clown shoe" sizes 😒
@@BrianBloom I wish I had that kind of pull. As they're pursuing more market reach in disc golf, if that's a major factor/concern of a lot of disc golfers I could see it happening though! They're receptive to feedback!
As soon as you said the part about rotating hips with the shoulders back, I knew it was time for me to start taking notes. The right video at the right time for me for sure. Excited to do this one-leg throw drill this week
Nick you’re a friggin beast bro. Your in depth knowledge of disc golf kinesiology/myology/arthrology is key and makes a lot of sense. Being able to apply it is one thing. lol But I understand it.
halfway through cancer treatments so I don't have much energy to get out and work on form but I love it and trying new form techniques. Talking about it to is something I love so if you ever wanna chat about it let me know!
I was in the same spot summer 2023, had my last chemo that august. Walking the course and throwing helped me get a lot of general strength back when it was over, even if I could only play a few holes at a time and threw 200ft. You’ll be back throwing further than you could before.
Get me right, it's nice to read how disc golf has helped more people in the same situation to go through cancer treatments. I have fought my way back over the summer and am still fighting. fuck cancer!
@@twolx Heck ya! Its a tough road but thankfully the drive to disc is more powerful than the constant struggle! No working vehicles, boom disc golf. No income, boom disc golf. Chemo, boom disc golf. Lost all my benefits and living in constant stress, boom disc golf!
Defintely a collab I was looking for. Great to see the more athletic and analytical breakdown of the sport. Anthony really put that into my head when he made his workout routine awhile back and I've been using a lot of Nick's warmups or variations of it before field work. Keep an eye on these two, all they do is leaps of improvement everytime I see their videos.
12:45 Got that killer compliment in there and brought a real smile to Bodanza's face. I feed off that positive energy too. Great Collab guys, enjoyed it.
I was watching his nose-down video and I had to rewind so many times. So much science that goes over my head, but eventually he gets to the "how to" as opposed to the Harvard Physics Class essay explanation. 😅
As a fellow nerd with an anatomy/physiology background, this video really helped me to understand some key mechanics I think I was missing before. Excited to experiment with some of these concepts! Thank you!
As a guy who started as all horsepower and no suspension, I love that you’re presenting both aspects. Most disc golfers refuse to acknowledge the role that athleticism plays in throwing a disc for some weird reason.
Solid advice from this guy. I appreciate his attention to the spinal flexion and over emphasis of the butt out to create it into the x step. Gonna work on this.
Definitely gonna try some of these things!! I have a degree in health and exercise science and work as a trainer, nick is a really smart guy and knows what he's talking about
This was my third summer of disc golfing. I was stuck throwing around 170'. I field practice twice a week but wasn't getting any better. Then I paid for a one on one lesson with a local expert. 2 weeks later after practicing the changes I was throwing 200-250 AND I was more accurate than I ever thought I could be! Disc golf is so much more fun now. Find a good teacher, it's worth every penny.
Sitting around waiting on time to pass after abdominal surgery not able to throw and still a few weeks behind on coverage it was nice to have something to watch that was season-spoiler-free and that I can do some visualization with while I'm not lifting or playing for a month. Watching this, especially the slow mo recap, reinforced some things I can feel just thinking through what I do. I can tell I'm have a spine tilt in the back swing like a ball golf drive because that feels powerful, but like around the 9:49 mark the one legs illustrate how I think you need to be neutral to tilted to the front foot the whole time. I'm going from tilted back to getting back to neutral so it feels like all the power leaks out the top. Seeing Luke Taylor throw like someone with all their vertebra fused got me thinking and the progression here makes that pretty clear.
I think this was hands down one of the best instructional videos on the channel. Nick makes some great content and the two of you together put together something really special here
Absolutely an amazing video. I really enjoyed the body anatomy lesson correlated to disc golf movements. If anyone is looking for a how to throw efficiently this is definitely a strong video for everyone to learn. I especially enjoyed the the process of throws. Very important to listen carefully to the checklist and to understand the variables that go with the pre-throw checklist. Meaning to really know the difference between mentally knowing the steps and physically integrating the steps. Feel is most important from what was gathered from the video. Great job yall! Keep booming them discs! ps. Bodanza says yeah 117 times. : ) lol
It’s good to listen to the super technical biomechanics, especially with a more focused update from Dave Frldberg’s old stuff. I wonder how many players experiencing shoulder pain would benefit from this, given the “elbow dip” external shoulder rotation phenomenon, I.e., stressing out the rotator cuff on movements that those muscles aren’t meant to sustain.
What does the Hyzer spinal tilt mean for throwing powerfully on an anhyzer angle? Many top throwers (ex. Niklas Antila, Paul McBeth) talk about using the posture to control release angle, but it seems like this approach would limit power on higher angles. Absolutely love this content and its grounded approach to the throw from a sports science perspective. Keep it up!!!
You are 100% right, we can adjust our spinal tilt to manipulate disc hyzer/anhyzer angle with consistency. Generally, the most powerful and healthy release angle will be on slight hyzer which is why we train that way most of the time (and allows us to throw anhyzers without extreme anhyzer spine tilt). Just make sure to keep the abs engaged when throwing power anhyzers so the back doesn't hyperextended 👍
Sick video. I also find myself in that same field of having a Sport-Science background and knowing a lot about anatomy, but sometimes struggling to apply the knowledge I have into a structured training plan. Good luck this off season! Any big plans?
As with building anything - start with the foundation. Without a solid base, everything falls down. He is working on this aspect due to his progression.
Followed Nick for a bit now and if you want to know how the game will improve to the next level it's teach mechanics like Nick does. Go sub. Such a smart dude. It's all about the biomechanics to throw more efficiently.
So how far were the 1 legs going? I tried some tonight and mine went 200-260. Im just lookin for reference. I generally max out at like 350, so I want to know how bad my run up is lol.
yo Bonanza :) - regarding the Vessies - if you have alot of moist/sweaty feet, do they allow youyr feet to breath ? im looking for some really good shoes and allmost purchased the knitted Vivo's - but alot of creators are promoting Vessies atm, so kindda having doubts now. (playing in scandinavia so alot of moist, cold and water everywhere the next 4-6 months :-/
I have been told that when you brace your toes should lift and spin on your heel.....this causes me a lot of pain and in fact has made it where I can only spin on my toes....now this has caused me even more pain and possible tears ...what should I do?
McBeth turns basically on his whole foot. One thing that comes to my mind that are you vertically on your plant foot? Stand on it. That might be one reason. You should not be on top of your plant foot. If you do that, then your whole body weight is directly on it. I have some issues with plant foot and I have tried a lot of different ways. Not having all the weight on planted foot, foot turns easier and there is less weight on and is technically correct. Throwing stand still might also help. I got a small fracture near my toes in the past when I turned on toes. I stopped doing that. Just couple of thoughts from my own practical experience in two decades of playing.
In the slowmo's it looks like your arm is just a little bit too far forward in the first half of the throw. Specifically when your torso is almost half way between facing forward and backwards, your arm should be a little bit more straight back, specifically your elbow is too much to the right. If you just stand and hold your arm across your body like when your almost in the power pocket, you should be able to feel your peck stopping your arm from being able to go back farther, this is how your arm should be just as you are about to reach the power pocket. I am not a super advanced thrower, my record is 632 with a backwind and 5 feet of elevation drop, corvettes are awsome for max distance. But please try having your arm just a few inches further back right their so it almost bounces off of your peck into the power pocket as your torso rotates.
Form is everything. Look at Ezra Aderhold and Gannon Buhr. Similar distance but Aderhold is clearly much stronger. If you can't put it on the disc, it's "wasted horsepower"
Muscle doesn't equal strength and strength doesn't equal distance. Speed is much more important in distance than strength when throwing light objects. Eagle and Simon threw really far when they had no power (5-10 years ago). They started to go to gym later after injuries. Eagle didn't do even one pull-up when he threw 650-700 ft. Muscle is good to have to protect joints etc. so to prevent injuries. Too much muscle is bad for disc golf. Range of motion etc. Speed is genetic. Speed (fast muscle fibers) can be trained and improved so everyone can improve speed, but it is still genetic. People with slow fibers don't have the same absolute maximum in speed that people with fast fibers have. Of course person with slow fibers can be faster than person with fast fibers if one trains hard and the other one doesn't. But if we look at our maximum levels, then slow fibers lose the distance thing. Strength comes to play when we throw heavy objects (e.g. 10lbs), but throwing 180 g and less object, strength doesn't play a big role. Yes you can gain distance when your strength level go up from "zero", but strength is not in very big role when throwing light objects. How much of the increase is about strength and how much it has to do with increased fast fibers instead of pure strength. I don't know if anyone knows. I am sure you know about kids at school or even older who can run 100 m sprint really fast even if they have never practiced. That is genetic. They can beat sprinters who have practiced for years. Strong and slow muscle fiber = can't throw very very far no matter how hard you try. Need to be explosive to run fast or throw far. Sorry about long text.
Comment at the end about being coachable even though already playing in pro tournaments kind of says a lot about how far behind our sport still is. As far as I know, every major sport has coaches to either help the player to continue to get better or even more so keep them from falling off. Just because pros put on clinics, it doesn't mean that they don't also still need help training (properly). A good teacher will always continue to learn more.
Something tells me the pros don't ever think about any of this. These guys have a gift, and they just throw discs. I highly doubt AB thinks about his scapula and subscapularis, or his l5/s1 or any other garbage. Dude just steps up and rips.
What’s always been weird to me is that humans don’t automatically use correct movements. You’d think you’d naturally adhere to what’s best for your body but nope.
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Big shoutout to Vessi for sponsoring this video! Get 15% off your first order using my link - 👟 vessi.com/bodanza
And of course, massive shoutout to Nick! Please subscribe to him if you want to get better, or just watch a shirtless guy throw 💣💣💣
Any way you can coax Vessi into making some wide width shoes? I wear EE or EEEE width shoes and trying to get normal shoes to fit my width means I need to wear almost "clown shoe" sizes 😒
@@BrianBloom I wish I had that kind of pull. As they're pursuing more market reach in disc golf, if that's a major factor/concern of a lot of disc golfers I could see it happening though! They're receptive to feedback!
really hope vessi will sell in sweden soon :)
Such a fun session with you out there brother! I can't wait to see the gains you make this offseason
As soon as you said the part about rotating hips with the shoulders back, I knew it was time for me to start taking notes.
The right video at the right time for me for sure. Excited to do this one-leg throw drill this week
Nick you’re a friggin beast bro. Your in depth knowledge of disc golf kinesiology/myology/arthrology is key and makes a lot of sense. Being able to apply it is one thing. lol But I understand it.
This needs to be a 6 part series!❤
@@TwoOneSe7en ty brother!
halfway through cancer treatments so I don't have much energy to get out and work on form but I love it and trying new form techniques. Talking about it to is something I love so if you ever wanna chat about it let me know!
Stay strong brother!
I was in the same spot summer 2023, had my last chemo that august. Walking the course and throwing helped me get a lot of general strength back when it was over, even if I could only play a few holes at a time and threw 200ft. You’ll be back throwing further than you could before.
Get me right, it's nice to read how disc golf has helped more people in the same situation to go through cancer treatments.
I have fought my way back over the summer and am still fighting.
fuck cancer!
@@twolx Heck ya! Its a tough road but thankfully the drive to disc is more powerful than the constant struggle! No working vehicles, boom disc golf. No income, boom disc golf. Chemo, boom disc golf. Lost all my benefits and living in constant stress, boom disc golf!
Defintely a collab I was looking for. Great to see the more athletic and analytical breakdown of the sport. Anthony really put that into my head when he made his workout routine awhile back and I've been using a lot of Nick's warmups or variations of it before field work. Keep an eye on these two, all they do is leaps of improvement everytime I see their videos.
12:45 Got that killer compliment in there and brought a real smile to Bodanza's face. I feed off that positive energy too. Great Collab guys, enjoyed it.
Awesome video. So many big words. Thank goodness for you tube 50% speed :D and nice 500+ toss at the end
I was watching his nose-down video and I had to rewind so many times. So much science that goes over my head, but eventually he gets to the "how to" as opposed to the Harvard Physics Class essay explanation. 😅
As a fellow nerd with an anatomy/physiology background, this video really helped me to understand some key mechanics I think I was missing before. Excited to experiment with some of these concepts! Thank you!
Loved the way nick broke down the throw and compared it to a motor snd suspension! 🤘
Great video guys, super helpful, even for someone who has played a number of years like I have. Thank you! Throw long and prosper!
As a guy who started as all horsepower and no suspension, I love that you’re presenting both aspects. Most disc golfers refuse to acknowledge the role that athleticism plays in throwing a disc for some weird reason.
Solid advice from this guy. I appreciate his attention to the spinal flexion and over emphasis of the butt out to create it into the x step. Gonna work on this.
Need a Robbie C, Blitz vs. Bodanza, Krush doubles round!!! Keep the lab lights lit!!🔬⚗🧪🥏
Definitely gonna try some of these things!! I have a degree in health and exercise science and work as a trainer, nick is a really smart guy and knows what he's talking about
that means a lot coming from you with your background, thank you man!
@@NickKrush.DGandFit if you ever come anywhere near charlotte hit me up! Gonna try some of your stuff today brotha
@@IceBergTV 👍sounds good!
The tires, the suspension, the horsepower. MY GOAT.
❤
This was my third summer of disc golfing. I was stuck throwing around 170'. I field practice twice a week but wasn't getting any better. Then I paid for a one on one lesson with a local expert. 2 weeks later after practicing the changes I was throwing 200-250 AND I was more accurate than I ever thought I could be! Disc golf is so much more fun now. Find a good teacher, it's worth every penny.
Sitting around waiting on time to pass after abdominal surgery not able to throw and still a few weeks behind on coverage it was nice to have something to watch that was season-spoiler-free and that I can do some visualization with while I'm not lifting or playing for a month.
Watching this, especially the slow mo recap, reinforced some things I can feel just thinking through what I do. I can tell I'm have a spine tilt in the back swing like a ball golf drive because that feels powerful, but like around the 9:49 mark the one legs illustrate how I think you need to be neutral to tilted to the front foot the whole time. I'm going from tilted back to getting back to neutral so it feels like all the power leaks out the top. Seeing Luke Taylor throw like someone with all their vertebra fused got me thinking and the progression here makes that pretty clear.
I think this was hands down one of the best instructional videos on the channel. Nick makes some great content and the two of you together put together something really special here
Absolutely an amazing video. I really enjoyed the body anatomy lesson correlated to disc golf movements. If anyone is looking for a how to throw efficiently this is definitely a strong video for everyone to learn. I especially enjoyed the the process of throws. Very important to listen carefully to the checklist and to understand the variables that go with the pre-throw checklist. Meaning to really know the difference between mentally knowing the steps and physically integrating the steps. Feel is most important from what was gathered from the video. Great job yall! Keep booming them discs!
ps.
Bodanza says yeah 117 times. : ) lol
It’s good to listen to the super technical biomechanics, especially with a more focused update from Dave Frldberg’s old stuff.
I wonder how many players experiencing shoulder pain would benefit from this, given the “elbow dip” external shoulder rotation phenomenon, I.e., stressing out the rotator cuff on movements that those muscles aren’t meant to sustain.
Banger episode Anthony.
I like him a lot. He is a smart dude. nice video, great to see you work with him.
What does the Hyzer spinal tilt mean for throwing powerfully on an anhyzer angle? Many top throwers (ex. Niklas Antila, Paul McBeth) talk about using the posture to control release angle, but it seems like this approach would limit power on higher angles. Absolutely love this content and its grounded approach to the throw from a sports science perspective. Keep it up!!!
You are 100% right, we can adjust our spinal tilt to manipulate disc hyzer/anhyzer angle with consistency. Generally, the most powerful and healthy release angle will be on slight hyzer which is why we train that way most of the time (and allows us to throw anhyzers without extreme anhyzer spine tilt). Just make sure to keep the abs engaged when throwing power anhyzers so the back doesn't hyperextended 👍
Didn't expect this crossover. Nice.
Awesome stuff! Love these types of videos
Sick video. I also find myself in that same field of having a Sport-Science background and knowing a lot about anatomy, but sometimes struggling to apply the knowledge I have into a structured training plan. Good luck this off season! Any big plans?
Nick knows his stuff!
Man, I loved that I am such a nerd I knew everything that was said. Time to try some of this out.
Cool. Thanks for sharing. Nick is incredible! Nice 515' toss there Big Daddy.
Great video man
Thank you for this video AB ❤
When doing formwork, should I start with perfecting the base (legs) or start from the tip of the whip (grip)?
As with building anything - start with the foundation. Without a solid base, everything falls down. He is working on this aspect due to his progression.
Love this. I have a background in biomechanics. He's speaking my language.
"Sorry for the toe socks.." hahahaha I dono why that's so funny
Awesome collab!
That last throw was killer
Followed Nick for a bit now and if you want to know how the game will improve to the next level it's teach mechanics like Nick does. Go sub. Such a smart dude. It's all about the biomechanics to throw more efficiently.
You made that 515ft look easy and effortless!
would you try to maintain spinal flexion during a FH throw as well?
God, you guys are dorks. Glad I'm not alone
Cool form coaching. But how do we get more MPH???
The video’s with Drew got me throwing 500’ lets see that this guy can get me
515 is a solid rip. the line looked excellent
It feels like just a few months ago when you were reaching for 500, and here you wrap the session with a solid, easy-looking throw that hits 515.
What a great video.
Back to the corn stash
Wooo!
First comment, yippie. Great video bondanza. Can you do a series on how to get over 300 feet?
So how far were the 1 legs going? I tried some tonight and mine went 200-260. Im just lookin for reference. I generally max out at like 350, so I want to know how bad my run up is lol.
when do we get bondanza in canada?
maybe sometime next year? No plans but would love to come up that way
@BodanzaDiscGolf starting a TH-cam channel so we can collab when you come ❤️
This guy really knows what he is talking about
How far do you think you would be throwing now if you had no coaching?
Those 1 step throws were impressive.......launched
yo Bonanza :) - regarding the Vessies - if you have alot of moist/sweaty feet, do they allow youyr feet to breath ? im looking for some really good shoes and allmost purchased the knitted Vivo's - but alot of creators are promoting Vessies atm, so kindda having doubts now. (playing in scandinavia so alot of moist, cold and water everywhere the next 4-6 months :-/
@@anderschristianhaldpederse8472 I am a very sweaty little Italian American man and the breath ability is really good imo
I have been told that when you brace your toes should lift and spin on your heel.....this causes me a lot of pain and in fact has made it where I can only spin on my toes....now this has caused me even more pain and possible tears ...what should I do?
McBeth turns basically on his whole foot. One thing that comes to my mind that are you vertically on your plant foot? Stand on it. That might be one reason. You should not be on top of your plant foot. If you do that, then your whole body weight is directly on it.
I have some issues with plant foot and I have tried a lot of different ways. Not having all the weight on planted foot, foot turns easier and there is less weight on and is technically correct.
Throwing stand still might also help. I got a small fracture near my toes in the past when I turned on toes. I stopped doing that.
Just couple of thoughts from my own practical experience in two decades of playing.
@kimmomatikainen1843 Thank you for the advice!
12:53 💨😂 sorry g I had to point it out
In the slowmo's it looks like your arm is just a little bit too far forward in the first half of the throw. Specifically when your torso is almost half way between facing forward and backwards, your arm should be a little bit more straight back, specifically your elbow is too much to the right. If you just stand and hold your arm across your body like when your almost in the power pocket, you should be able to feel your peck stopping your arm from being able to go back farther, this is how your arm should be just as you are about to reach the power pocket. I am not a super advanced thrower, my record is 632 with a backwind and 5 feet of elevation drop, corvettes are awsome for max distance. But please try having your arm just a few inches further back right their so it almost bounces off of your peck into the power pocket as your torso rotates.
Toe sock nation represent
one-step only round?
I would pay big money to get coached by nick in person coached
Like maybe a boot camp weekend with the boys? 😉Coming soon?
@@BlitzDG being coach by you are nick would be a dream come true specially if I can learn to throw farther in the process
@@BlitzDGdude that would be so sick
@@BlitzDG 👀
Form is everything. Look at Ezra Aderhold and Gannon Buhr. Similar distance but Aderhold is clearly much stronger. If you can't put it on the disc, it's "wasted horsepower"
Source? 😂😂
@@Wingnutlenny using my eyeballs
Muscle doesn't equal strength and strength doesn't equal distance.
Speed is much more important in distance than strength when throwing light objects.
Eagle and Simon threw really far when they had no power (5-10 years ago). They started to go to gym later after injuries. Eagle didn't do even one pull-up when he threw 650-700 ft.
Muscle is good to have to protect joints etc. so to prevent injuries. Too much muscle is bad for disc golf. Range of motion etc.
Speed is genetic. Speed (fast muscle fibers) can be trained and improved so everyone can improve speed, but it is still genetic.
People with slow fibers don't have the same absolute maximum in speed that people with fast fibers have. Of course person with slow fibers can be faster than person with fast fibers if one trains hard and the other one doesn't.
But if we look at our maximum levels, then slow fibers lose the distance thing.
Strength comes to play when we throw heavy objects (e.g. 10lbs), but throwing 180 g and less object, strength doesn't play a big role.
Yes you can gain distance when your strength level go up from "zero", but strength is not in very big role when throwing light objects. How much of the increase is about strength and how much it has to do with increased fast fibers instead of pure strength. I don't know if anyone knows.
I am sure you know about kids at school or even older who can run 100 m sprint really fast even if they have never practiced. That is genetic. They can beat sprinters who have practiced for years.
Strong and slow muscle fiber = can't throw very very far no matter how hard you try. Need to be explosive to run fast or throw far.
Sorry about long text.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 yea I was just screwing around cuz Ezra is ripped and Gannon is a twig…
You better start bagging Ethers after this. They're so money
Is BabyDanza super short or that dude 6’ 8”!?
Nice
Anthony you look very Greek in this video lmao no idea if you’re Greek or not just thought I’d throw that out there 😂
haha nice! Not Greek that I know of, but Italian and Eastern European make up most of my heritage I believe
@@BodanzaDiscGolf what he meant was Greek God because us mortals can’t throw 500+ plus
Fastest arm speed is Simon at 103 mph David also threw over 100 mph
Is that the first 500+ ft that has been measured on the channel?
@@xcxdwcyb I think it’s the first one measured! I’ve had a few that were in rounds and over 5 bills, but I think this is the first official one!
Dang it I almost got the first comment 😅
Thanks for liking my comment bodanza love your vids
If Ezra A, KJ & Wiggins had a baby. 🤗
Comment at the end about being coachable even though already playing in pro tournaments kind of says a lot about how far behind our sport still is. As far as I know, every major sport has coaches to either help the player to continue to get better or even more so keep them from falling off. Just because pros put on clinics, it doesn't mean that they don't also still need help training (properly). A good teacher will always continue to learn more.
Something tells me the pros don't ever think about any of this. These guys have a gift, and they just throw discs. I highly doubt AB thinks about his scapula and subscapularis, or his l5/s1 or any other garbage. Dude just steps up and rips.
Why is everyone chasing the moon ??
Do you really need to be able to throw 600-700 ft🤔
What’s always been weird to me is that humans don’t automatically use correct movements. You’d think you’d naturally adhere to what’s best for your body but nope.
I only understood like 50% of the video, pop ups were too fast
is Bodanza over 5 feet tall? just curious not hating.
lol barely
5'6"
@@BodanzaDiscGolf ok you just looked small in the video for some reason.
@@Gerbs964 because I am 😂
@@BodanzaDiscGolf taller than Emerson Keith probably.
and this is why disc golf is dying