Six Sided Discs should do a Six Speed Disc Comparison. It's one of those odd speeds for most manufacturers. Whatever you decide to do, just keep this content coming.
Hurt a bit not seeing the Uplink. Lile the other MVP discs, it's really good at holding the turn and not burning out. For me the Detour flips up to flat, then holds straight for a long time. The Uplink thrown in the same manner will flip up and hold the light turn. Then the Paradox is one I throw on even more hyzer (not a crazy amount, just more) and it flips up, turns harder, and holds it. I really have tried to move away from bagging so much MVP but their mids are fantastic. The icing on top is the Hex, Detour, Uplink, and Paradox all feel almost the exact same in your hand. So you get use to the shape throughout the round and don't even really feel like your changing discs. Your jist changing the shot shape without really changing your release.
So I have a gyrapalooza Detour and love that thing for a slight turn it gets on and holds but was always nervous to throw it near water so I picked up a stock run when it came out and found the stock run is quite a bit less flippy. It just doesn’t hold its turn nearly as well. Still a good throwing disc but yeah it doesn’t replace the gyrapalooza detours slot.
Absolutely love this disc for the “get out of jail” shots and even glidey putts. Mine has been in the bag for almost 4 years, and it’s super flippy but manageable still.
List of Flippiest Mids I know of in order of flippy: Pearl, Shu, Lone Wolf, Paradox. Rounding off the top-5 is the guy who only throws 1 Buzzz and it's hit 1000s of trees over the years.
Innova's Wolf is pretty silly in how understable it is as well. I have a Shark that someone's dog chewed on and it will still normally fly like a beat in shark but if there is a wind going right, it goes right and never returns. Same w/an old DX Eagle I have. I haven't played in awhile but have picked up a lot of new thinsg to compare so I'm going to be doing a lto of shoot outs as I get back into the swing. Looking forward to it.
Ha! I love westside numbers. Im still throwing a 0 3 stag. Ive always loved tursas. Been throwing it a lot lately. I have a warship and bard ace. Now I need tursas ace. Sooo touchy even for a little guy like me. I can get some super nice straight lines, but any power and its flipping.
Are you basing the performance off one throw, or the average over 10-15-20 throws? A lot of variation in release angles for the determination to be made off one toss.
I don’t have a FH beyond 150f so I’m bagging Detour, Remix Creature and Paradox. Detour pushes long with a nice late turn and slight fade at the end. Use to go long slightly right. Creature turns right but fights out of it. Use for flex lines and turns where I need to control landing spot. Paradox in proton soft turns a lot but controllable. Use for turn and then glide faaaaar after the turn. High line on dogleg right is amazing.
We actually tested this in a previous video and found that PLH is not always accurate in predicting stability from one disc to another, especially across different plastics.
I have never found a disc to understable to be unusable...I have a 132 gm Stratus that is great for short right touch shots...even delicate putts around a tree works.
I am so looking forward to the work Simone Lizotte is doing with the throwing machine, that he has people working on. (video on his TH-cam). It is going to really help classifying the actual characteristics of discs!
A mid I bought that was super disappointing was the Trust. At 5 5 0 2 i thought it would be perfect for a slightly stable midrange. Got out to course and brand new this mid flipped very hard on my with slight hyzer. Flys very similar to my ESP Buzz
Here is my take on flippy midrange, you only need one in tight wooded courses. Here in Colorado it is one big ol hyser fest. If you need something to go right, just chop a firebird or a zone at it. Understable midranges are for extremely skilled players with touch or no forehand to speak of. I love my meteor, but i only bag it in the woods. But i love using the meteor and the dune for teaching new players.
Great video!!❤ For my woods home courses. I always have at least 2 understable Mids. I tried the Detour for a bit, but for my FH, the Uplink is a better choice. Next to that is the Streamline Echo. Both are Neutron plastic. I recently got a C-Line MD1 added to the mix. I've always leaned on flippy discs in the woods, both mids and drivers.
Love the Yikun Kang man. That disc is so decent and fun to play with. The Gui though I think is probably Yikun's best disc overall having tried like 6-7 molds. As a putter it flies like a Wizard, but as a thrower/approach man its just money.
You should have added Halo Roc3. Horrible disc. Svea is also very understable for me, unusable. I don't get why someone should throw understable midrange. You can throw controlled anhyzer with this speed and it's way more predictable. Leopard or something. Or putter.
Great video. My go to is the Discraft Archer (5 4 -4 1). Plays a little faster then 5 and a little less turn then -4. Reliable turn though and just fades out preventing the cut roll. Was hoping to see it in the line up.
It is just staggering seeing the amount of brands, models & plastics available these days. I don't know how any players keep track. It was so simple when it was Innova or Discraft and the crazies would throw Gateway :D
The Comet has been uselessly under stable for me. I can’t throw it without it turning into a roller unless I throw it on a wild hyzer angle. The Discraft Impact and the Buzzz SS are my go-to understable mids.
You did 3 and 4 speeds that flew like mids. What about 6 speeds that are like mids? I love my Discraft Glide, but I need a replacement since Ledgestone stopped printing it!
Side question - can you create an episode with colors? Like, does color matter? Because for some strange reason, all my "best" understandable discs are pink...
Looking forward to trying out a Detour and comparing it to a Gateway Mystic (my primary understable midrange). That would have been neat to see in the video.
wow - random. I was the other day finding out I was missing a flippy midrange - and the last couple of days having a hard time finding out what to choose. This video came out just perfect!
No uplink or archer eh? I threw the archer when my forehand wasn't feeling great but boy it felt terrible in hand. So the Uplink has been my go to for flippy mids, and even replaced my flippy putter. Discraft makes a terrible flippy midrange (as a guy that throws almost all discraft)
A Discraft sponsored player now rep since the late 90s told me the Stratus would never mold up right in Z or ESP plastic and is why they were discontinued. In the old baseline or X plastic they fly like the numbers and were used as roller disc by a lot of players back then.
I have one of the old X Stratus' and it's definitely flippy but I would still say the numbers oversell it a bit. You need to throw it quite hard for it to be REALLY flippy. I mostly use it for long soft turnovers or tricky woods shots where I don't have space for a full power swing. Love my Stratus, I've had it since 2016. I want to try the new ESP ledgestone version I'm just poor and it's $20. Gotta talk myself into it for a while 😂 Edit: the new ones are Z swirl not esp. They look so similar in pictures.
You talk about plastic choice with most discs, except you chose the Meta Origin, the flippiest of all the runs. Throw a new stock Origin as they are more true to the numbers
I feel that glide is as important as turn for a disc to be understable. If a disc have 6-7 glide you know it’s going to be understable even if it has 0 or -1 turn.
I bag two of the discs tested. I use the Rollo for that purpose rollers. I also bag the Paradox for holes that I need a disc to go right . RHBH this has always been a struggle until the Paradox. There are not many who throw RHFH in MA60+ from the tee.
I throw almost exclusively rhbh. I throw the khonsu and the fuse a ton. They both work for big anyhyzer bomber lines with a reliable cut roll that helps if you come up short or even deep right.
Clash Peach is honestly the best understable mid out there and should have been in this review! Missed out on that one, it holds a great turnover line without burning completely over, especially in the more stable Sunny plastic.
I like to watch your videos when they pop up in my feed, but more content creators need to show AM's throwing discs. I loved the video but could not relate to it, put someone out there with a noodle arm and see how understable these are.
Even theres no specific Class i would like to see a Comparison of the most used Roller Discs on the Market to See wich one goes furthest and which one is most reliable.
Six Sided Discs should do a Six Speed Disc Comparison. It's one of those odd speeds for most manufacturers. Whatever you decide to do, just keep this content coming.
MVP only has 6.5. Lol
But actually faster that a 6, so I'll say that's accurate.
Ok but why are they making discs in impossible to find colors? That is incredibly stupid
Hurt a bit not seeing the Uplink. Lile the other MVP discs, it's really good at holding the turn and not burning out. For me the Detour flips up to flat, then holds straight for a long time. The Uplink thrown in the same manner will flip up and hold the light turn. Then the Paradox is one I throw on even more hyzer (not a crazy amount, just more) and it flips up, turns harder, and holds it.
I really have tried to move away from bagging so much MVP but their mids are fantastic. The icing on top is the Hex, Detour, Uplink, and Paradox all feel almost the exact same in your hand. So you get use to the shape throughout the round and don't even really feel like your changing discs. Your jist changing the shot shape without really changing your release.
So I have a gyrapalooza Detour and love that thing for a slight turn it gets on and holds but was always nervous to throw it near water so I picked up a stock run when it came out and found the stock run is quite a bit less flippy. It just doesn’t hold its turn nearly as well. Still a good throwing disc but yeah it doesn’t replace the gyrapalooza detours slot.
RPM Piwakawaka.
Absolutely love this disc for the “get out of jail” shots and even glidey putts. Mine has been in the bag for almost 4 years, and it’s super flippy but manageable still.
I love the Uplink!
The Uplink is money.
Cannot believe the uplink wasn’t in here, that disc just does what it’s supposed to do. A great disc!!
Ooh, guessing Paradox or Rollo from the hype (and having thrown a Paradox).
How did the more stable flight Sol end up to the right of the more understable flight Svea in the graohic?
Would love to have seen the Piwakawaka get some love here.
Gateway Mystic is far and away my favorite slightly understable mid
List of Flippiest Mids I know of in order of flippy: Pearl, Shu, Lone Wolf, Paradox. Rounding off the top-5 is the guy who only throws 1 Buzzz and it's hit 1000s of trees over the years.
Innova's Wolf is pretty silly in how understable it is as well. I have a Shark that someone's dog chewed on and it will still normally fly like a beat in shark but if there is a wind going right, it goes right and never returns. Same w/an old DX Eagle I have. I haven't played in awhile but have picked up a lot of new thinsg to compare so I'm going to be doing a lto of shoot outs as I get back into the swing. Looking forward to it.
rollo
Rollo,Tremor,pearl,leopard and Wombat
Still searching for good mids that turn over
I love this type of content, which is super informative and useful when looking for the right disc. Flight numbers need to get better
Though different runs fly differently from each other. Also factor weight. I've only ever seen one disc used for each plastic type in these videos.
My Tursas is my farthest flying mid, it's older and marked 5, 5, -3, 1. They mistakenly changed the flight numbers.....
Mint discs lobster 5,5,-3,1 is a fun one. The 1 fade stops the discs from burning over. Or the mana from thought space is another good one.
Ha! I love westside numbers. Im still throwing a 0 3 stag.
Ive always loved tursas. Been throwing it a lot lately. I have a warship and bard ace. Now I need tursas ace.
Sooo touchy even for a little guy like me. I can get some super nice straight lines, but any power and its flipping.
I would've liked to have seen Gateways Mystic, TSA's Mana and the Comet
Are you basing the performance off one throw, or the average over 10-15-20 throws? A lot of variation in release angles for the determination to be made off one toss.
It's all part of the plan to get players to buy more discs when you find out the one you just bought doesn't fly the way it is supposed to!
Doesn't matter how flippy it is... I'll still throw it nose up.
DGA Tremor in my experience
I bag the Innova Panther in Champion plastic. It's just flippy enough and stable enough to shape shots, with good glide. Test Glide numbers!!!
Only disc I wish was on this video too was the TSA Mana!
Awesome disc!
Me, too. It is my straight-to-understable, just a bit more stable than the Svea. Love the Mana.
I don’t have a FH beyond 150f so I’m bagging Detour, Remix Creature and Paradox.
Detour pushes long with a nice late turn and slight fade at the end. Use to go long slightly right.
Creature turns right but fights out of it. Use for flex lines and turns where I need to control landing spot.
Paradox in proton soft turns a lot but controllable. Use for turn and then glide faaaaar after the turn. High line on dogleg right is amazing.
When he throws the discs, are you using a radar to ensure he is throwing them the same speed?
Where is the STINGRAY!?!?
It's probably under some leaves.
I thought the svea was more understable than the sol
The L64 Pearl is also really understable.
Organized by stability, obviously, on my rack of mids:
Paradox
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. They are really interesting and helpful.
What helps me is looking at the parting line heights of discs. The lower the PLH, the more understable it is.
We actually tested this in a previous video and found that PLH is not always accurate in predicting stability from one disc to another, especially across different plastics.
Man discraft sol and commet have a real place in this conversation
What about the Discraft Comet?
The Comet will forever be my understable mid. I use a Michael Johansen Tour Series Metallic Z from 2021 for this slot (-3ish turn).
Same here! Glides for days and great for slow annies both bh and fh. MJ made me do it!
Latitude Pearl... Essentially unusable.
for a slower arm speed, I think it's good.
I've found it a use for exit bushes on forehand hyzerflips ! But it's crazy flippy !
I have never found a disc to understable to be unusable...I have a 132 gm Stratus that is great for short right touch shots...even delicate putts around a tree works.
ReallyvUnderstable Mid you ask... Prodiscus Stari. So flippy. Goodbye to the riiiiiiiiiight
My meteor flips up and goes to the right just fine
Yeah they start out straight, but after a couple weeks they’re an understable panning dream
lightweight dx wolf like 150 range
even one at 175
I am so looking forward to the work Simone Lizotte is doing with the throwing machine, that he has people working on. (video on his TH-cam).
It is going to really help classifying the actual characteristics of discs!
A mid I bought that was super disappointing was the Trust. At 5 5 0 2 i thought it would be perfect for a slightly stable midrange. Got out to course and brand new this mid flipped very hard on my with slight hyzer. Flys very similar to my ESP Buzz
Here is my take on flippy midrange, you only need one in tight wooded courses. Here in Colorado it is one big ol hyser fest. If you need something to go right, just chop a firebird or a zone at it. Understable midranges are for extremely skilled players with touch or no forehand to speak of. I love my meteor, but i only bag it in the woods. But i love using the meteor and the dune for teaching new players.
Great video!!❤
For my woods home courses. I always have at least 2 understable Mids. I tried the Detour for a bit, but for my FH, the Uplink is a better choice. Next to that is the Streamline Echo. Both are Neutron plastic. I recently got a C-Line MD1 added to the mix. I've always leaned on flippy discs in the woods, both mids and drivers.
Love the Yikun Kang man. That disc is so decent and fun to play with. The Gui though I think is probably Yikun's best disc overall having tried like 6-7 molds. As a putter it flies like a Wizard, but as a thrower/approach man its just money.
You should have added Halo Roc3. Horrible disc. Svea is also very understable for me, unusable. I don't get why someone should throw understable midrange. You can throw controlled anhyzer with this speed and it's way more predictable. Leopard or something. Or putter.
Thank you for all the video's, truly great help in understanding flights. Right now understable mid is the wombat 3 star plastic.
Great video. My go to is the Discraft Archer (5 4 -4 1). Plays a little faster then 5 and a little less turn then -4. Reliable turn though and just fades out preventing the cut roll. Was hoping to see it in the line up.
140g Dx shark ... Or z commet max weight ... Or anhyzer beat in mako3 those are from most to least flippy.
It is just staggering seeing the amount of brands, models & plastics available these days. I don't know how any players keep track.
It was so simple when it was Innova or Discraft and the crazies would throw Gateway :D
Discraft archer , love it !
The Comet has been uselessly under stable for me. I can’t throw it without it turning into a roller unless I throw it on a wild hyzer angle. The Discraft Impact and the Buzzz SS are my go-to understable mids.
For understable midrange right now I have mostly been throwing a TSA Mana and Remix Creature which are fairly similar, also have a Detour on the way.
You did 3 and 4 speeds that flew like mids. What about 6 speeds that are like mids? I love my Discraft Glide, but I need a replacement since Ledgestone stopped printing it!
Side question - can you create an episode with colors? Like, does color matter? Because for some strange reason, all my "best" understandable discs are pink...
Looking forward to trying out a Detour and comparing it to a Gateway Mystic (my primary understable midrange). That would have been neat to see in the video.
Yikun Kang has a Rim Width of 1.4 so it should be called a 4 speed. Speed number should correlate to its Rim Width.
Should of tested the DX cobra and the champion cobra. Dx cobra is the flippiest disc ever
wow - random. I was the other day finding out I was missing a flippy midrange - and the last couple of days having a hard time finding out what to choose. This video came out just perfect!
Ho Hum...nobody ever includes the Innova Wolf in any videos.
No uplink or archer eh? I threw the archer when my forehand wasn't feeling great but boy it felt terrible in hand. So the Uplink has been my go to for flippy mids, and even replaced my flippy putter.
Discraft makes a terrible flippy midrange (as a guy that throws almost all discraft)
Vertex or Paradox are the most flippy midrange I have ever thrown. Throw on Hyzer, and it flips to anhyzer.
A Discraft sponsored player now rep since the late 90s told me the Stratus would never mold up right in Z or ESP plastic and is why they were discontinued. In the old baseline or X plastic they fly like the numbers and were used as roller disc by a lot of players back then.
I have one of the old X Stratus' and it's definitely flippy but I would still say the numbers oversell it a bit. You need to throw it quite hard for it to be REALLY flippy. I mostly use it for long soft turnovers or tricky woods shots where I don't have space for a full power swing. Love my Stratus, I've had it since 2016. I want to try the new ESP ledgestone version I'm just poor and it's $20. Gotta talk myself into it for a while 😂
Edit: the new ones are Z swirl not esp. They look so similar in pictures.
DX Leopard. It’s understable, but it doesn’t go as far right as I need at times. I might try the Rollo (I also need a roller disc).
You talk about plastic choice with most discs, except you chose the Meta Origin, the flippiest of all the runs. Throw a new stock Origin as they are more true to the numbers
I feel that glide is as important as turn for a disc to be understable. If a disc have 6-7 glide you know it’s going to be understable even if it has 0 or -1 turn.
Innova wolf. I think you should get the innova Lion on this show. Every plastic flies different and none of them by the numbers.
I bag two of the discs tested. I use the Rollo for that purpose rollers. I also bag the Paradox for holes that I need a disc to go right . RHBH this has always been a struggle until the Paradox. There are not many who throw RHFH in MA60+ from the tee.
You can do those backhand shapes if you learn your angles and can hyzer flip a forehand 300ft. Not a small ask though
The roadrunner and mamba are the most annoying. A barsby RR throws lile a -1 1 maybe -2 at best mamba is only a -5 when its under 130g.
paradox. I hate that disc. Soo soo flippy and I keep getting them in boxes. I can't even give them away.
I throw almost exclusively rhbh. I throw the khonsu and the fuse a ton. They both work for big anyhyzer bomber lines with a reliable cut roll that helps if you come up short or even deep right.
Is there a midrange between the Buzzz SS and the detour? in terms of similar distance but less understable than the detour
throw neutralish 11+speeds. for me at elevation it's a thrasher. But there may be better and I don't know it.
Clash Peach is honestly the best understable mid out there and should have been in this review! Missed out on that one, it holds a great turnover line without burning completely over, especially in the more stable Sunny plastic.
Just got a Scavenger the same color & plastic not 2 weeks ago & mine flies exactly the same flat, but put it on a lil annie & it turns just fine.
I like to watch your videos when they pop up in my feed, but more content creators need to show AM's throwing discs. I loved the video but could not relate to it, put someone out there with a noodle arm and see how understable these are.
I had a Tursas but just didn't love it and have switched to an uplink which I really like.
Even theres no specific Class i would like to see a Comparison of the most used Roller Discs on the Market to See wich one goes furthest and which one is most reliable.
MVP Uplink is the most under-stable mid I've ever thrown
I’ve found use for the lone wolf on a water carry hole at my local, and it fits that one shot perfectly… but nothing else 😂. I love that disc.
Love this video, with you would have tested the Innova star or halo star Stingray. Great disc.
Steve Irwin is rolling over. This video has no creditability without a DX Stingray in it.
Can you do fairways next? I wanna see comparisons of the crave, rhythm etc😊
No Mana from TSA? Have not ever really seen yall use any TSA.
I throw a trash panda dune for understable midrange. I have a near max weight and a lighter weight one
TSA Mana, RPM Piwakawaka, Mint Discs Lobster.
I ordered a Leviathan after seeing this vid (plus a basilisk and a narwhal)
Parting line and Wing is lower on the Svea than the Sol so the Svea should be more understable.
The Tursas is one of the longest mids made. Something went wrong with your testing.
Divergent discs Alpas! Very flippy, good roller like a tire lol
You mean more stable, not overstable.
There is a difference.
Have to bag the peach and the lobster. Go to understable mids
patrol is the most understable midrange i have ever trown.
Pearl and uplink are great and were missed from this video
How many throws do you guys do, to determine the showed flight path of a given disk?
I throw Sol and Stig as my understable options
What kind of distance is Caleb getting here with these shot shapes?
The tursas numbers used to be a -3 turn
Not sure why they changed it.
Kinda sad I didn't see the uplink but we saw the detour
Lone Wolf. Still flippy at lower speeds.
i would recommend the jay
I use the archer as my us mid. Mine is a -1 0 flight for me
I use both a Neutron Paradox and a Star Rollo.
Lmao. I knew that was a meteor right off the rip 😂