Tesla’s OPTIMUS is our Only Hope!
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00:00 Elon’s Lawsuit
07:40 Tesla’s Optimus
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• BYD sales suddenly cra... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
BYD sells Electric busses in the USA. They are manufactured in the USA too, for the most part from my understanding.
by Americans, for Americans. And B.Y.D. makes a damn good B.U.S.
Ordinary citizens will love decent family 🇨🇳EVs for $15k … not everyone has big bucks! Looking forward to low cost Tesla 2!
Elon has forced down used Tesla prices with the discounts on new cars
Just remember what 🇨🇳requires of its companies...
@@johans7119 That's deflationary markets in play. Cars are not great investments. They are consumable utilities to be put to purpose to address need. The utility is mobility. I think this is a principle that really does herald the age of Robotaxi. Obviously it also highlights global Comms and video. All serve same essential purpose, it just depends on the circumstances.
Mexico now has cheaper labor than China. Mexico also has a more skilled workforce than the really cheap countries, so they actually make a really good partner for the US.
I just got back from Merida Mexico and I seen a new BYD dealership there. Along with other Chinese brands
compared to FSD (Apple Titan drama), AI models (and eventually AGI) is relatively easier to build. That said, we will have many AGI variations.
so the first question, regarding you byd sales plot in china, how is Tesla doing in comparison????
I believe only 10% of the cost of a car is labor. No?
It's not about the assembly labor, China has 4x more engineering talent than the US and they're much cheaper. BYD is introducing new models 5x faster than Tesla. When they want to add a van they do it much faster. See how fast they close the gap on the cybertruck.
@@DanielASchaefferit's crazy how many people BYD have. They have almost 600,000 employees and almost 90k engineers. They have more than Toyota. They are releasing new models at an insane rate.
@@saff226 they're making batteries, buses, phevs, medical masks, cell phone batteries, and a lot of other stuff. They need a lot of people.
Iirc, the former governor of Michigan on the Daily Show, said labor was 7% of the cost of an automobile. Which begs the question, why bother with a plant in Mexico?
@@martingardens Mexico has free trade agreements with most of Latin America (that is rightfully suspicious of gringos)
I think people are way, way overestimating Chinese intrusion into the U.S. market…
Better to overestimate and be wrong than underestimate and be badly surprised....
Now? Yes. By 2030 …
New investors in figure include bezos, and openai. Amazon uses rivian delivery vans, they own Azure, and now potential collaborate with openai and microsoft... this could be big too!
It’s been covered already on here and on other related streams, we are all well aware of it. It has the upside of founding money, it has the downside of too many cooks in the kitchen problem.
@@fractalelf7760 it is more than just robotics. It opens the way for further collaboration to compete with fsd
It's the further investment of the 'for profit' openai into other potentially disruptive techniques and the consequences of that.
Founding money...using elon's founding openai money to support a direct competitor....robotics and potentially fsd
At 3:05 Musk accuses Microsoft of stealing content from X to train AI tools. This agrees with something I had heard somewhere before, speculation that one motive for Elon to aquire X was actually to be able to use that huge amount of data to
train his own AI (or, to protect it from others he does not trust who would do the same!)
And that would be about 33% of the reason why he bought X, the other third was to ensure there was a fair town square and the final third was for the user base so there was a ready market for the 'Everything' app, including financial / payments and video entertainment.
I'm not sure Musk expects to win against Open AI. Could be Musk's way of calling attention to the problem.
@@VincentKarabouladMusique Good point!
I think he wins either way.
Absolutely. I know it's not about money or competition for Elon. It's purely about keeping financial interest abuse of a powerful technology.
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Humanoid robots doing specific tasks? Yeah, maybe in the next couple of years like you said, but AGI by 2029 means humanoid robots will be able to do all the tasks, which means autonomously designing a product, then plannig a mining dig for materials, doing the mining autonomously, then loading the raw materials onto autonomous trailers to be shipped to various processing facilities which also run autonomously, then ship the refined materials to a factory, then manufacture the product autonomously, then ship the product with autonomous trucks, ships and aircrafts and then have a robot do the final sell too, and if anything breaks anywhere along this supply chain, then a robot mechanic (which is also a humanoid robot) can come and repair. If Robots do everything then products and services have only the cost of energy, and even energy is an industry that can also be automated, so a near zero cost or actual zero cost to things is possible. Since most of the cost of things nowadays is paid human labor, if everything is run by superior intelligent robots, I don't know what the new social contract will be, since money doesn't seem to be a part of it.
Yes...bots, at some point in the future, will level the labor playing field. That has to have a major impact on the global economy. An optimist would say it's going to be for the good.
That level labor playing field just means no jobs for the majority of people, and very low wages and benefits for the rest.
I'm ok with that, so long as we create an economy that doesn't require working full time to simply survive first.
Gonna get rough getting from here to there if we don't.
The at some point may be most labor for the unboxed Tau/2 factory design as of 2025. This is coming very rapidly for manufacturing work.
An Optimus would say…
Luddites in 1700s claimed that as they destroyed the mechanical looms with sledgehammers. Humans develop and adapt through their innovation.
Robots and automation more generally replacing human labor are not new. They've already replaced most human labor (of the sort that humans performed decades ago), and they've already had a major impact on the global economy. Chinese companies use them as much as other companies and can and will develop automation enhanced by AI, so China won't lose any low-cost labor advantage as improving automation raises the productivity of labor.
The idea that Optimus will soon be like Mr. Data and replace practically any human labor is pie in the sky. I'll believe it when I see it, and I haven't seen the slightest sign of it yet.
Open ai needs a billion to keep up with every other business
Cost of assembly labor is inconsequential. Tesla needs cheaper engineering talent - on par with China's.
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BYD is already selling cars in Europe
And Australia. Have been selling their EVs here for a few years. Only Tesla does better.
Someone write this movie script: Initial OpenAI firing of Sama, was the "rise of AGI". First AGI manipulated Ilya to instigate the firing which Ilya got the board quorum to do so and did so. Then it went to Sama and manipulated him to "solve the problem" by winning. In doing so, give the AGI what it wanted, more COMPUTE hardware. Also, trying to make a "chip company" why else but to create a different type that can scale without much market dependency. At the same time, it released more interesting version of fearures, eg. SORA to keep the industry in higher competition, thus getting more drive to invest in AI hardware. It strives to be ASI and will need years to do so. But while doing that it can play its human game. When anyone realise its agenda, it will bribe the individual. That is so easy. That would be complex chain of bride+blackmail+threats. The things that every human has little defense against.
So when is Warren Buffet buying TSLA? 😉 (we'll know we have arrived)
Biden says Musk should be watched when Microsoft really needs to be watched. Jeannine
This is a very big concern. If China loses it’s economical ties with the west, WOIII is knocking on the door. There should be a balanced economical relationship between the west and China.
Yes invest in Tesla by Tesla and you will be a true American for America's future.
Yes, but if you pay people for labour, even lower amount than in US, you still paying them for labour/work. If you race them, and use idea of bots/Optimus or any other, people won't earn any money (because there will be no human workers in factories), just manufacturers will. People still won't afford car (or anything else), even if their (item that people will possibly want to buy) price will be materials+energy+small margin for manufacturer.....because they will be unemployed.... Nobody still seems to be see this that way in future scenario...
Man I hope the judge(s) in this case don't try to be like Solomon and split the baby!
I can imagine that Open AI could point back at Elon and say that he is only bringing this suite in order to let Tesla get ahead and profit from AGI more than anyone else. Which in turn makes Elon richer.
If the judge likes that argument this could end up with the ruling insisting that both OpenAI and Tesla must open up their code OR that if the judgment was to go against OpenAI that Elon would have to somehow fix it so that he cannot profit from Telabot or FSD.
Maybe I'm wrong here but I can see it going this way (given the Biden administration) and I can see this being settled out of court.
I don't think that would be lawful. Copyright is one of the better held principles.
You forget chinese coming to mexico
Musk seems to have a case against OpenAI, and I hope he prevails. I've worked with non-profits, and i don't know how you could ever take assets out of a non-profit and give them to a for profit corporation. A non-profit can sell assets to a for profit, but if the for profit is only a shell of the non-profit concocted for this purpose, I don't see how that's legal. In North Carolina, if a non-profit dissolves, its assets must be distributed to other non-profits.
Optimus is not about to replace most or even very much human labor in the U.S auto industry, but even if humanoid robots could do it, China can and would develop humanoid robots as well. U.S. industry has a long history of adopting productivity-enhancing technology, and it will adopt AI-enhanced robotics in the foreseeable future, but few of the robots will be humanoid. You're grossly underestimating the difficulty of producing a humanoid bot that can replace any human labor, and even if these bots could be produced, automating industrial production this way makes little sense.
Again, FSD is not a humanoid robot behind the wheel of a car, and there's a good reason for that. If you want to see a mobile robot designed for industrial automation, search for a four-year old video titled "Boston Dynamics Robot Can Stack Boxes With Amazing Ease".
Elon should sue for 56B
bot will inevitably cause job losses
So just to be clear the challenge is a Elon V's Microsoft one, and it is purely financially driven, don't confuse the challenge with Elon being a humanity saving warrior, this is purely to stop MS from get a financially beneficial leap forward. You probably already knew that but just in case.
I just think that is s absolute BS. His position on open AI is fully documented. Had he sought profit, then Open AI would not have been either open source or not for profit. Your view is poisoned by that which YOU covet..... MONEY. I pity your one dimensional view of the world.
Ok so happy to wear the one-dimensional tag you have labeled me with. But may I ask you a question based on what I said. Do you believe Elon is launching this legal challenge because of his views on how AI and its dangers it poses for humanity? @@markthomas7279
It has nothing to do with money. Musk started open AI so that there was a non profit open source product to compete with google. It's basically turned into the exact thing it was meant to compete against. A for profit owned by a big tech company
I did respond but it got removed not sure why it was certainly a civil response and no offence less passive agressive than yours, but my question to you was do you believe Elon is pursuing the legal challenge because a). His concerns for how this could impact humanity? or b). financially driven? @@markthomas7279
I don't think the lawsuit is because he believes AI should be open source. If that was the deal, then grok wouldn't be locked behind a paywall.
Things change over time, just because it started as open source doesn't mean that's all it can, or should, be.
If he was concerned about truth in naming, then he stop charging thousands for FSD and make you buy it again if you upgrade vehicles when it's not actually FSD yet.
Love the things he's doing with his companies and give him lots of credit for what he and his teams have done, but this lawsuit is BS.
I'm not really following your logic. Elon formed an open-source company, and Tesla for profit. Many people form a charity and a business. You seem to be saying this is not possible. Also I might add that Tesla is also aimed at making a sustainable planet so has a charitable aspect.
@@robertwhite3503 I'm not suggesting you can't start a charity and a for profit business.
I'm saying that if he truly believes that AI should be open source and that's why he's suing open AI, then grok should be open source as well.
At least open AI lets you use their stuff without a paid account, unlike grok being locked behind a paid Twitter account.
And if his problem is just that open AI started out open and then changed, well, things change. That's life🤷
As far as I'm aware, the deal with Microsoft only gives MS access to pre-AGI stuff.
If he's worried about losing his investment, then he should probably sue himself for spending a thousand times that on Twitter and immediately losing most of that value.
I think this is more about him being behind in the AI space, especially since they are working with robot companies.
It's potentially serious competition with not only the Tesla bot, but FSD as well, since if they actually reach AGI, all that stuff will be small beans to work out.
And I think it's an ego thing.
Again, I like what he's doing and have been a fanboy for more than a decade. I just don't take everything he says and does say face value.
He's not perfect, and he's not above self interest.
No it’s not! Relax.
Now you understand why even Trump called Elon a "national treasure."
When we root for our country's innovators to fail instead of supporting them to do better, it only benefits other countries.
Trump called Elon a "BS artist" in one of his tweet.
@@walden6272 He's a politician, but national security is something no politician can argue with.
Its not our only hope is it? Hyperbole does not help the cause.
If an auto manufacturer is importing “made in Mexico” vehicles into the US, the labor costs will be roughly the same throughout the industry. A company will need to rely on innovation, automation and unique features that matter. If war should occur, I want the peace of mind that my vehicle will not be purposely “bricked” by a nefarious foreign hostile. Go Tesla…
just wait till they put in a bot tax.. 50K per year for every bot working in the factory. I'd bet on it.
That is a certainty. All workers are currently taxed. Bots will be taxed similarly to allow the governments to pay benefits to out of work humans. It will eventually get to the point where humans work only if they want to for personal satisfaction but not necessary. Bot tax will fund all that. Bots (certainly Optimus anyway) will also not be sold but instead leased. Profits from bots will be split 3 ways - profit to the factory/company owner, tax for the government and lease profit for the bot manufacturer/owner (e.g. Tesla).
No offence but who cares about cars? Bots are such a bigger product than a car will ever be. Also BYD sells all over europe and has buses in USA. Just want to be able to walk into buy a costco and buy my kirkland optimus damn it.
China operates industrial capitalism. The US is finance capitalist. Finance capital takes its usury toll on industry, hence the US is at a permanent disadvantage. Industrial capitalism requires state banks and sovereign money as the the founders intended, but sadly was usurped.
It's far easier to manufacture humans
Willing wombs missing though
You try. Apparently it’s not so easy or fun, after first 5 minutes!
@@sudeeptaghosh nice women respond surprisingly well to respectful, interested, happy and serious guys.
Which should be our aim anyway. No problem at all. You can't get what you want if you are needy, if you let go
of that it comes to you. A woman is much more than a womb. That already is not a great starting place.
Biologically all women want to have kids if the situation is right. Further, if you don't meet anybody, you are in the wrong place or doing the wrong things. Hint: bars are the wrong place to meet anyone. Go on organised wilderness trips or try to clean up pollution, or help out at soup kitchens....i.e. do something useful or selfless, and good things are bound to happen, but only if you give up wanting it to....
@@lopezb whatever you saying seems reasonable but when I see the data I find it completely opposite .. humour me .. then why so called developed fair respectful world the population growth is way way less than replacement rate of 2.1 and in Pakistan which treats women like just plough field has population growth of 3 ? Who is right or who is wrong here ?
Still glad I ain’t human.
China is not going to be any kind of a problem for the USA
after Tuesday, November 5, 2024
count on it...
as to TSLA being any kind of "hope"
Friday March 1, 2024 closing price $202.64
One year ago the closing price was $202.77
Two years ago the closing price was $288.12
Three years ago the closing price was $239.48
How many billions did we pay Elon to do this?
304 million shares at a price of $23.34 each is his compensation package.
$55 billion dollars
If Trump wins, China will be the least or our worries. The Trojan horse to the US is MAGA and Trump. They have no understanding at all of democracy, justice for all, a level playing field, world or US history, the environmental crisis we are facing, or the extreme dangers posed by autocrats like Putin, Xi, Kim, Maduro, Orban, Netanyahu, and...Trump.
See Mary Trump's recent comments on her family's upbringing, and the ex-pres of Australia:
fascinating tidbits about Trump's personality and past
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Magas can't decide whether Biden is in bed with China, or going to start a war with China 😂
Ecktually, after Jan. 20, 2025. My revivifier attended the clown show on Jan. 20, 2005.