@FASS Diesel Fuel Systems... can you explain how particulate filter is "serviceable" please?... I'm on the fence on ordering a system from you or a competitor.....
About a year ago I switched from the old HD pump to the new signature series. It’s much quieter and I just did my first filter replacement today and it really is much easier to prime. I’ll continue to recommend you guys in the future!
I just had a Fass Fuel pump fail, 3 years In 600,000 miles. Fass stands behind there product under Warranty and new pump is guieter and My fuel pressure gauge is Consistent. I Drive 150,000 a year and glad I have Fass Fuel on board!
Bought my signature series about two months ago, also new injectors; and new injection pump from Thoroughbred Deisel for my 99’ Cummins. I currently have 320k on it now, it should go another 680k to get me a million miles, I’ll keep you posted but I do love the FASS system!!!!
Bought a Signature system for my Motorhome a few months ago. Did not notice any change in engine except for the startup, after about 5-600 miles the motor has never idled or worked better. I am impressed and hopefully it will save the manual injection pump on my Cummins. Thanks FASS
Hi. In your response to Adam, you state the PF-3001 filter is serviceable. What does this mean? Is the XWS-3002 also serviceable? Please provide any information you can about cleaning/servicing these new filters as I need to purchase new ones soon and want to fully understand the best option. It seems odd to me that you would remove the drain capability from the water separator and let the change interval be "dependent on the fuel we are getting"... A couple of bad fillups with excess water can now leave me stranded on the side of the road if I don't keep a spare filter with me at all times? Thanks in advance.
Dontknowitall 99- still waiting for a response? So is everyone else that’s ever contacted FASS. They will never respond. They take your money and leave you with a broke POS. Sorry partner
Hey Terry, we appreciate your question and understand where your coming from there. We actually have a video on the reasons why we went to a filter without a drain I'll attach for you, sir. If you have any further questions or need anything at all we also have a service team available that would be happy to help! Our number is 636-433-5410. th-cam.com/video/xtYjP4Cfpd8/w-d-xo.html
@@BC-jm6th That's correct-unlike older styles that pool the water near the bottom of the filter to be drained, our Extreme Water Separator actually traps moisture within the element itself. When you change your filter, you physically remove all the water along with it.
@@BC-jm6th If neglected for extended periods of time (well past the service intervals), it may restrict flow to prevent contaminated fuel from reaching injection components. Similarly, a drainable filter will eventually push water back into the fuel if not drained or replaced regularly. However, unlike drainable filters, our filter element will not feed water back into the fuel if left unattended.
I appreciate the video, I have already upgraded by Titanium "Legacy" pump with the new upgraded filters and "flow through regulator" and look forward to many more miles.
I bought my signature series like 3 months ago and I love it its so quiet it made a difference in my duramax starts up faster my engine is a bit quiter now and more throttle response but I like to run catfilters on my liftpump
New Gen Fass filters are better. 99% water filtration vs ANY older drain style filters are about 60% then when full they will pass ALL the water through
Dang, wish I had waited!!! I still have the bouncing pressure issue and have done everything, you all even sent me new spring and ball check!! Does that regulator fit the old system? If so I have to get one....
Hey guys, what do you think about this on a 2021 Ram eco diesel? Is this overkill for the application? My main concern is having to buy fuel from many different locations so I have no control over quality. Do you think this will end my manufacturers warranty?
Hey Cliff, thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately, we don't yet offer a system for the 2021 EcoDiesel. Sorry about that! At the moment, we only offer filtration solutions for the 2014-2018 models. But if we hear anything from our engineering team about an update, we'll be sharing right away!
Ok so how do you drain the water when it’s gets full then. And how many miles are those filters good for. How’s those filters compare to the old ones with additives. Are you guys going to keep selling the old filters
You no longer need to drain the filters. The filter change interval is dependent on the fuel you are getting. If you are getting good clean fuel then you can change the filter every 20,000 to 30,000 miles. Good additives will have no effect on the new (or old) filters. We will no longer sell the old filters. In all of the testing our R & D department has performed with an outside laboratory we discovered up to this point all other filters claiming to separate or remove water are not as efficient at removing or separating water to the extreme current capabilities of the FASS filters. We will be releasing our testing soon. Our new particulate filter, our PF-3001 Primary Filter, is a serviceable stainless-steel wire mesh that protects our fuel pump by filtering larger particulates. It not only protects our fuel pump, but it also drastically reduces noise by reducing restriction which also produces increase fuel flow rates! Our XWS-3002 Extreme Water Separator is a 2-micron absolute micro-glass fuel filter! Micro-glass is 400% more efficient than all those other filters using a cellulose media! Our filters are capable of 25 gpm, not 25 gph but 25 gallons per minute! That is 1500 gallons per hour!! We were able to reduce the size of our filters as we have had customers request this, but we didn’t want to lose the efficiency. We were able to do this by going to the micro-glass media. For cellulose to compare in efficiency and surface area you would have to take our current size of fuel filter and times it by 4! That would be a huge filter, but we were able to reduce the size by just using a very high-quality media, simply the best on the market! These cellulose water separators, when full, will pass the water exceeding its capacity to where our XWS-3002 filter will eventually shut the engine down. This not only saves your very expensive fuel system but also saves you the potential expense for a tow to a shop and saves you the expense of down time and possibly a hotel stay. Now getting back to the water separation portion of the filter. The new media grabs and holds the water like a dam. This filter is so efficient it grabs 99.96% of the water at 290gph. The lower the flow pump you have the more water it traps. Now you may be concerned about it during cold weather as we were also. As the pores of the media traps the water that pore becomes blocked. That is another reason we chose a media that is 400% more efficient. The efficiency of the our new micro-glass media gives the fuel, effectively, much more surface area to travel through as compared to a less efficient cellulose media. Micro-glass is also a much higher quality element coming with a much higher price tag in which we have been able to absorb due to our purchasing volume and power which in turn we have been able to pass on the savings to you.
StyleGT- no that means you just got screwed and have to try to first get ahold of someone at FASS then argue with them as to why they won’t warranty your pump. Save your time and throw it away and order an airdog
Now that the filters a shorter, does this mean they'll be more hidden under the truck? I've been comparing Fass with your competition. Making my purchase likely tomorrow.. I have a 2015.5 GMC. Is the TS C12 165G the newer model in this video? Great video by the way.
Hi Mike, With the shorter filters and the bracket being adjustable you can choose to have them lower and showing or tucked up under the bedside and not be seen. And yes the TS C12 is the new Signature Series.
@@FASSFuelSystems My Lift Pump was delivered today. I read over the instructions (downloaded from your site) and it says I need to drop my fuel tank (step #2, C.) The installation videos I've seen online don't that. Is this required or do I only need to disconnect the fuel line and install the blue/provided one into the lift pump?
How many “large” particulates are really in our fuel? Seems to me like they made this new serviceable filter because fuel flows freely through it which then quiets down the pump in order to compete with airdogs new 4 g pump which is almost silent.
@@FASSFuelSystems A couple follow up questions that were sparked from the conversation about the new filters. 1. From what I am understanding, the new filter is able to trap the water, but let fuel flow through. Without knowing the specifics, I assume this has to do with the size of the water molecules vs. a fuel molecule? IF that is the case vs. some other wizardry, what about when I dose my tank with some Power Service Anti-Gel? Will that flow through or will it get caught in the filter? Reason I ask is that it's been DEEP below Zero degrees here in Wisconsin in the last month many times; I've been adding additional anti-gel as a precaution. 2. What happens if my fuel does start to gel? Would I be able to run some of the Power Service "Diesel 911" with the new filter system and be ok or would the additive bond with the water molecules and get caught in the filter making me have to change the filter anyway? Thanks for the info -
I have a sour taste still in my mouth after all the issues I had with my older version of the titanium pump....I may give you 1 more shot this new one looks better.
I was so close to buying an airdog for my lb7 because that’s all you see on duramax for some reason I started watching these videos of the explanations and differences over the airdog and went with the fass 100gph and I’m glad I did, the motor is way more quiet then the airdog and the mounting bracket to me is way better it doesn’t “sandwich” between the frame rails creating the possibility for moisture to collect between the plate and the frame and rust. Fass all the way. And it’s cheaper. And they support trump!!! Win win wins all the way around for them in my book
Honestly the Airdog II 4G is fine. Its quiet, can't hear it run. It's smaller, easier and more secure mount, has water drain, costs less and truck runs much smoother than with the stock lift pump.
I hope you never find out different I have run stock Holley raptor airdog fass and fass titanium and the reason was because everything failed except the fass titanium but you may not be making 6 to 8 thousand miles trips on a regular basis and I do
I hope they did a decent job this time mine only lasted 5,000 miles and it was dead then I spent about a month trying to get a response from customer service never did and I gave up and ordered the fass witch had a way better unit that can do more than it's rated and I could get ahold of customer service Everytime I had a question I have heard people swear by airdog but my experience is that they are not reliable to run a business with mainly in cold weather below zero the fass titanium has zero issues I'm even running one not made for my 6.7 with zero issues even though it's not rated for it and I have close to 100,000 miles on it
I bought my 165 gph signature series for my LML about 2 months ago and I love it its so quiet!!
Great description, but you won me over when I saw the Trump picture. Fass is the pump for me.
I second that
Same
Maybe you should impeach that pump and throw an air dog in now huh 😂
@FASS Diesel Fuel Systems... can you explain how particulate filter is "serviceable" please?... I'm on the fence on ordering a system from you or a competitor.....
About a year ago I switched from the old HD pump to the new signature series. It’s much quieter and I just did my first filter replacement today and it really is much easier to prime. I’ll continue to recommend you guys in the future!
Alex, thank you very much! We really appreciate that 👊
I just had a Fass Fuel pump fail, 3 years In 600,000 miles.
Fass stands behind there product under Warranty and new pump is guieter and My fuel pressure gauge is Consistent.
I Drive 150,000 a year and glad I have Fass Fuel on board!
So the water separator is on the left instead of the right now?
That is correct, the water separator is on the left, and the particulate filter is on the right.
Bought my signature series about two months ago, also new injectors; and new injection pump from Thoroughbred Deisel for my 99’ Cummins. I currently have 320k on it now, it should go another 680k to get me a million miles, I’ll keep you posted but I do love the FASS system!!!!
Bought a Signature system for my Motorhome a few months ago. Did not notice any change in engine except for the startup, after about 5-600 miles the motor has never idled or worked better. I am impressed and hopefully it will save the manual injection pump on my Cummins. Thanks FASS
Hi. In your response to Adam, you state the PF-3001 filter is serviceable. What does this mean? Is the XWS-3002 also serviceable? Please provide any information you can about cleaning/servicing these new filters as I need to purchase new ones soon and want to fully understand the best option. It seems odd to me that you would remove the drain capability from the water separator and let the change interval be "dependent on the fuel we are getting"... A couple of bad fillups with excess water can now leave me stranded on the side of the road if I don't keep a spare filter with me at all times? Thanks in advance.
Dontknowitall 99- still waiting for a response? So is everyone else that’s ever contacted FASS. They will never respond. They take your money and leave you with a broke POS. Sorry partner
No doubt about it anymore; going for the top of the line FASS system.
Thank you for the kind words! Please give us a shout if we can answer any questions.
Where can I get the new filters????
So instead of draining the water out weekly to be safe, you now change filters weekly?
Hey Terry, we appreciate your question and understand where your coming from there.
We actually have a video on the reasons why we went to a filter without a drain I'll attach for you, sir.
If you have any further questions or need anything at all we also have a service team available that would be happy to help! Our number is 636-433-5410.
th-cam.com/video/xtYjP4Cfpd8/w-d-xo.html
I got 0:24 in and noticed on picture behind him right away! I'm already loving FASS!!!! Lmfao
Yep. I’m a FASS fan now. I know which company I will use for my truck.
Impeached 😂 good choice 👍
Yea, you would think it would come in orange with a blond combover.
So that water separator will last 10k miles with no issues??
Our recommended service interval is every 20-30,000 miles, or 1x per year if driven less.
@@FASSFuelSystems the water separator filter swells with water so that’s the reason a person wouldn’t need a drain on the filter?
@@BC-jm6th That's correct-unlike older styles that pool the water near the bottom of the filter to be drained, our Extreme Water Separator actually traps moisture within the element itself. When you change your filter, you physically remove all the water along with it.
@@FASSFuelSystems doesn’t that restrict the flow since it swells up?
@@BC-jm6th If neglected for extended periods of time (well past the service intervals), it may restrict flow to prevent contaminated fuel from reaching injection components. Similarly, a drainable filter will eventually push water back into the fuel if not drained or replaced regularly.
However, unlike drainable filters, our filter element will not feed water back into the fuel if left unattended.
I appreciate the video, I have already upgraded by Titanium "Legacy" pump with the new upgraded filters and "flow through regulator" and look forward to many more miles.
@FASS Diesel Fuel Systems Could you guys do a video explaining the reason for the different gear ratios in your pumps???
I bought my signature series like 3 months ago and I love it its so quiet it made a difference in my duramax starts up faster my engine is a bit quiter now and more throttle response but I like to run catfilters on my liftpump
jonhasDirtymax Agulari- your an idiot if you really think a fuel pump did all that....
New Gen Fass filters are better. 99% water filtration vs ANY older drain style filters are about 60% then when full they will pass ALL the water through
Dang, wish I had waited!!! I still have the bouncing pressure issue and have done everything, you all even sent me new spring and ball check!! Does that regulator fit the old system? If so I have to get one....
James Thomas- keep waiting. There customer service is a joke
@@mikeschneider634 get a airdog! You can adjust the pressure with a screw instead of internal spring
my 2001 dodge 2500 5.9 diesel has a alert for water in the fuel what happens to the water in the fuel
Hey guys, what do you think about this on a 2021 Ram eco diesel? Is this overkill for the application? My main concern is having to buy fuel from many different locations so I have no control over quality. Do you think this will end my manufacturers warranty?
Hey Cliff, thanks for reaching out!
Unfortunately, we don't yet offer a system for the 2021 EcoDiesel. Sorry about that!
At the moment, we only offer filtration solutions for the 2014-2018 models. But if we hear anything from our engineering team about an update, we'll be sharing right away!
@@FASSFuelSystems Thank you.
@@cliffelwood4992 Sure thing!
Ok so how do you drain the water when it’s gets full then. And how many miles are those filters good for. How’s those filters compare to the old ones with additives. Are you guys going to keep selling the old filters
Would be simple for them to keep the drain on the bottom wouldn't it....
snikwad003 I guess people weren’t draining it. That’s there problem people are dumb
You no longer need to drain the filters. The filter change interval is dependent on the fuel you are getting. If you are getting good clean fuel then you can change the filter every 20,000 to 30,000 miles. Good additives will have no effect on the new (or old) filters. We will no longer sell the old filters.
In all of the testing our R & D department has performed with an outside laboratory we discovered up to this point all other filters claiming to separate or remove water are not as efficient at removing or separating water to the extreme current capabilities of the FASS filters. We will be releasing our testing soon.
Our new particulate filter, our PF-3001 Primary Filter, is a serviceable stainless-steel wire mesh that protects our fuel pump by filtering larger particulates. It not only protects our fuel pump, but it also drastically reduces noise by reducing restriction which also produces increase fuel flow rates!
Our XWS-3002 Extreme Water Separator is a 2-micron absolute micro-glass fuel filter! Micro-glass is 400% more efficient than all those other filters using a cellulose media! Our filters are capable of 25 gpm, not 25 gph but 25 gallons per minute! That is 1500 gallons per hour!! We were able to reduce the size of our filters as we have had customers request this, but we didn’t want to lose the efficiency. We were able to do this by going to the micro-glass media. For cellulose to compare in efficiency and surface area you would have to take our current size of fuel filter and times it by 4! That would be a huge filter, but we were able to reduce the size by just using a very high-quality media, simply the best on the market! These cellulose water separators, when full, will pass the water exceeding its capacity to where our XWS-3002 filter will eventually shut the engine down. This not only saves your very expensive fuel system but also saves you the potential expense for a tow to a shop and saves you the expense of down time and possibly a hotel stay.
Now getting back to the water separation portion of the filter. The new media grabs and holds the water like a dam. This filter is so efficient it grabs 99.96% of the water at 290gph. The lower the flow pump you have the more water it traps. Now you may be concerned about it during cold weather as we were also. As the pores of the media traps the water that pore becomes blocked. That is another reason we chose a media that is 400% more efficient. The efficiency of the our new micro-glass media gives the fuel, effectively, much more surface area to travel through as compared to a less efficient cellulose media.
Micro-glass is also a much higher quality element coming with a much higher price tag in which we have been able to absorb due to our purchasing volume and power which in turn we have been able to pass on the savings to you.
FASS Diesel Fuel Systems so where does the water go that it traps or collects
@@abner99ification The XWS-3002 traps the water in the filter media.
I’m guessing you’ll no longer be able to use aftermarket filters then?
You will still be able to use cross reference filters.
fassride.com/portfolio-item/replacement-filters/
ok so does that mean if my old fass150 shit the bed wich i filled paperwork for warranty will now come with thoses neww pump :D?
StyleGT- no that means you just got screwed and have to try to first get ahold of someone at FASS then argue with them as to why they won’t warranty your pump. Save your time and throw it away and order an airdog
You say new to old replacement is ok what about using old to new unit filters
Now that the filters a shorter, does this mean they'll be more hidden under the truck? I've been comparing Fass with your competition. Making my purchase likely tomorrow.. I have a 2015.5 GMC. Is the TS C12 165G the newer model in this video? Great video by the way.
Hi Mike, With the shorter filters and the bracket being adjustable you can choose to have them lower and showing or tucked up under the bedside and not be seen. And yes the TS C12 is the new Signature Series.
@@FASSFuelSystems My Lift Pump was delivered today. I read over the instructions (downloaded from your site) and it says I need to drop my fuel tank (step #2, C.) The installation videos I've seen online don't that. Is this required or do I only need to disconnect the fuel line and install the blue/provided one into the lift pump?
Haha they got you!!! Seen a possible sale, responded quickly to get your money, then dumped you once you ordered, typical FASS customer service 😂
Mike Schneider is an Airdog employee
How many “large” particulates are really in our fuel? Seems to me like they made this new serviceable filter because fuel flows freely through it which then quiets down the pump in order to compete with airdogs new
4 g pump which is almost silent.
I just replaced the stock lift pump on my 2011 Ford 6.7 with a FASS 140. With 140K miles, I'm looking for longevity with this truck.
Thanks for your support!
Does this still have the ability to add a fuel warming element for us folks in the frigid north?
Yes. The Signature Series can still use our HK-1001 Heater Kit and still has ports to run coolant to and through the base of the pump.
fassride.com/shop/product-category/accessories/electric-heater-kits/
@@FASSFuelSystems A couple follow up questions that were sparked from the conversation about the new filters.
1. From what I am understanding, the new filter is able to trap the water, but let fuel flow through. Without knowing the specifics, I assume this has to do with the size of the water molecules vs. a fuel molecule? IF that is the case vs. some other wizardry, what about when I dose my tank with some Power Service Anti-Gel? Will that flow through or will it get caught in the filter? Reason I ask is that it's been DEEP below Zero degrees here in Wisconsin in the last month many times; I've been adding additional anti-gel as a precaution.
2. What happens if my fuel does start to gel? Would I be able to run some of the Power Service "Diesel 911" with the new filter system and be ok or would the additive bond with the water molecules and get caught in the filter making me have to change the filter anyway?
Thanks for the info -
@@danhess1324 Most additives would not get filtered out or affect the filtering or water separating capabilities of the filter.
Thanks for the awesome, description!
I have a sour taste still in my mouth after all the issues I had with my older version of the titanium pump....I may give you 1 more shot this new one looks better.
Me too complete junk
Trump 2020... just that picture alone has sold me on the Fass lift pump.
Thank you for your support!
Just that picture alone told me this company supports liars and lying; lost all credibility with me I'll be buying Air dog now cant trust this company
Cowboy187 is an Airdog employee
Great product
I was so close to buying an airdog for my lb7 because that’s all you see on duramax for some reason I started watching these videos of the explanations and differences over the airdog and went with the fass 100gph and I’m glad I did, the motor is way more quiet then the airdog and the mounting bracket to me is way better it doesn’t “sandwich” between the frame rails creating the possibility for moisture to collect between the plate and the frame and rust. Fass all the way. And it’s cheaper. And they support trump!!! Win win wins all the way around for them in my book
Thanks for your support, Eric! We're glad you're enjoying your system, and are excited to grow our name within the Duramax community.
Just bought one. Thanks for the awesome video
How do you like it? Do you have to use a sump?
Love the president Trump picture on the Desk!
WildBill C- trash
Honestly the Airdog II 4G is fine. Its quiet, can't hear it run. It's smaller, easier and more secure mount, has water drain, costs less and truck runs much smoother than with the stock lift pump.
I hope you never find out different I have run stock Holley raptor airdog fass and fass titanium and the reason was because everything failed except the fass titanium but you may not be making 6 to 8 thousand miles trips on a regular basis and I do
James Sykora the airdog II 4G is a different design and they made improvements to motor shaft, bearings and coupler. It looks solid.
I hope they did a decent job this time mine only lasted 5,000 miles and it was dead then I spent about a month trying to get a response from customer service never did and I gave up and ordered the fass witch had a way better unit that can do more than it's rated and I could get ahold of customer service Everytime I had a question I have heard people swear by airdog but my experience is that they are not reliable to run a business with mainly in cold weather below zero the fass titanium has zero issues I'm even running one not made for my 6.7 with zero issues even though it's not rated for it and I have close to 100,000 miles on it
Airdog sucks
Great job at “trying” to replicate an AirDog fuel pump, LOL
great video...when are you guys going to understand, we do not want to hear the fucking music. Did I get my point across.