Fallout 1 BOS: Sends suicide missions to a 100 year old radioactive crater in the hopes of scavenging tech. Fallout 4 BOS: Discovers an intact, operational pre-war research center and turns it into a radioactive crater.
To be fair, it's been over 100 years since the first game, and they're doing a lot better than they were at the time the missions were sent to Dayglow. Something about a bottle of water being worth more than diamond in a desert, but not all that much in a functional modern civilization where you buy it cheap by the gallon.
I rationalized it as them increasingly turning into power-hungry assholes and gatekeepers of scientific knowledge. But man that was dumb. But then the Institute and Railroad questlines are even dumber, leaving you with the Minutemen, who are a desperately barren faction, but at least they have straightforward and understandable motivations for the most part...
I'm not fun at parties. let me fix the fo1 one for you: sends suicide missions hoping the 'recruit' won't make it back. Just wanted to clarify that, because they were VERY honest in that game. they did it to get rid of you, admit when you return they didn't think you'd succeed and that they can't accept you into their organization, but still lets you gain access, because you brought them useful shit.
They did state that they believed institute experiments shouldn't be recreated, inparticular the synth program. Better to destroy the experiment and all evidence of it than to risk someone recreating it.
Railroad and Minutemen are both pretty good tbh. The railroad just have a narrow focus, and the minutemen have bad longevity. Stick the two of them together and they're perfect.
I joined the powder gangers I became a cannibal and I eat a NCR dude and I’m on my way to join the legion…. I am a good person.. I have a lovely personality…..
Wrong. The BoS in 3 is an exception not the rule, Lyons went rogue with his bleeding heart. BoS in 4 is more in tune with the early games , like the Outcasts in 3.
@@Bludobi9001 Unless you put Barnaky's brain in the Vault 0 computer, and then they go on an anti-mutant purge. A lot of the other endings also end with the Brotherhood going pretty authoritarian too
I have my Respect for Elder Lyons for Abandoning the BoS Ideals and became The Capital Wasteland's Protectors in 3 even when they are Hostile to Outsiders.
@@dontfrythis2458 I don't blame them though since they lack in man power. BoS in 3 were divided. The Outcasts didn't believe Lyons Ideals so they continued their old mission. BoS are scattered across the Wasteland and are fighting Mutants or Raiders which would mean there could be numerous casualties. That's just my Perspective.
@@dontfrythis2458 Not accurate. The BOS in fo3 have trouble keeping locations due to being seen as defectors, having had many members abandon them as the outcasts. They're actively trying to scavenge for technology in 3, will help the player out in different locations, are trying to secure the GNR building to keep it functioning keep the GNR broadcast relatively safe (hard to stop bullets from a mile away though), and on multiple occasions will even pay you for you helping them out finding stuff while they clear places not just of mutants, but of raiders and other groups as well. Project purity was not seen as viable due to many factors, one major one being the main guy working on it abandoned the project after his wife died, and it's implied that, that is around the same time the outcasts began splintering from them, which is part of the reasons they told dr. lee they couldn't keep expending the resources. Even after the enclave take it over, they don't show much interest until it's indicated that the player's father figured out a way to finish project purity, which indicates that project purity was seen as a fool's errand they were confident would just be the enclave wasting resources.
@@russianbot2630 Gonna sound like a loaded question, but with your statement, i gotta ask, you anti-gun? To be completely open. im asking because you can replace "tech" with "guns" in your statement, and it suddenly sounds like the modern anti-gun community trying to justify gun control.
I'm playing Fallout 3 right now and the ghoul city of underworld has mentioned multiple times that the brotherhood tries to exterminate them. They we're never very tolerant.
@@lilacorkindheart8325 lol no. It doesn’t take much to distinguish a feral from a non-feral ghoul, like some simple questions one could ask themselves are “Is this ghoul fully clothed and walking at a leisurely pace? Or is it half naked, growling, and charging at me?” the fact is the BOS don’t care and are hostile to all ghouls.
@@jaysonmusson Forgive me, but I highly doubt your words. They are shooting them on sight, therefore from affar - they wouldn't hear them say a word or just infer that they were going to growl before hearing them uttering a single word. Brotherhood member do not interact with settlements much so many of them don't even know about the everyday ghouls. I live long enough to know to trust myself, so I am sure someone more knowledgeable will confirm this. Remember that as well not all brotherhood members will be so wise or kind as the rest.
Was it the Brotherhood trying to kill them or the Outcasts? To a ghoul running for their life, one dude in power armor looks the same as any other dude in power armor
So? Rather take down a normal ghoul than taking a risk to get hurt or killed by a feral one. Beides, those who are still saine would never run on the citadell
They're not bad guys, you're just irrational. In real life would you be friends with someone who's skin was peeling and fell of at random, who stunk like a corpse and who had the potential to become a mindless monster that can be shot several times and not die, who was also capable of extreme speed, agility and had the strength to rip you apart? If you would be you'd be a fool. The fact is a ghoul can become feral in a day. You could be sleeping while traveling and they'd become feral and tear you apart.
If you think about things realistically, the BOS is under no obligation to help anyone at all. In real life ammo would not come quite as easily as it does in the games, keeping Power Armor functional would not be nearly as simple and you wouldn't be around ghouls knowing they can tear you apart and they smell so bad. You would be disgusted, afraid and cautious. If the human race is to ever survive it wouldn't be with ghouls. If the human race is to prosper ghouls would have to be exiled from human settlements because of the threat they pose, not only to human life because of the fact that they become feral, but also because dead flesh attracts insects and other animals that feast on carrion, which is A LOT in the fallout universe. Why can't ghouls create their own settlements? If they go feral they won't be a threat to anyone. A ghoul could go to Lexington and be relatively safe if they're not attacked by raiders. A human cannot.
@@PaladinThizz I actually would be friends with a ghoul. Because that's still a human being and they deserve kindness just like everyone else. They have a debilitating condition, a disease. That doesn't make them less of a person. Theyre like a metaphor for leprosy, and I wouldn't abandon a leper, either. Also, everything about what causes ghouls to go feral is entirely speculative. Tone down your fictional racism, bud.
@@cristiw3606 Well... Actually, they didn't do anything wrong in New Vegas either. Except for the fact that they put an explosive collar on the courier when they first met
Fallout 1: techno-monks. Mostly staying away, involving themselves with the outside world for trade and mutual defense when absolutely necessary Fallout 2: monks have missionaries on PR jobs and are making ties with settlements and proto-states Fallout tactics: offshoot of monks become the Teutonic knights Fallout 3: monks have been retooled to focus on the military aspect of their order. They are like the knights hospitalars. Fallout NV: monks have retreated to secret monastery fortress. Fallout 4: hospitalar offshoot sets its’ sites on empire building. Channels severed Teutonic offshoot.
The brotherhood in Fallout 3 were of course rude and unsociable to the inhabitants of the capital wasteland as typical foreign military, but they took the people there into their ranks, fought with super mutants, protected people whenever possible, protected the babbling DJ with his struggle on the bright side. With the purity project, they began to deliver clean water to settlements for free, it is clear that of course in order to strengthen their influence, but the fact that they even bothered with this means something. In general, callous but good guys, and in the fourth... Oh, who would have thought that such an asshole would grow out of this little kid in the citadel...
Imagine how it must feel for the Lone Wanderer (assuming they survive the end of the base game and past Broken Steel) to watch as the very same Brotherhood that took them in after their dad's death, and helped them retake Project Purity from the Enclave. The same Brotherhood that they fought, bled, and nearly died for. The same Brotherhood that wouldn't be were it is today if not for them and their efforts. Only for them to turn around and become no better than the Enclave in only 10 years
They're not the same as the Enclave though. I can understand gen 3 synths but from BOS perspective, they're made from abuse of technology. That makes sense. While I don't care about wiping out feral ghouls and super mutants which in the commonwealth are all evil. Gen 1 and 2 synths are more machine too and are hostile. Enclave were not killing people for abuse of technology and they wanted to get rid of mutated people which included humans, where is BOS doing this? Enclave wants pure humans. That's why Eden wants you to use the modified FEV. The quests have you taking out enemies who are hostile. BOS were never meant to be good guys. And BoS in fallout 3 were shooting at ghouls from underworld so let's not pretend they're saints. BoS were always jerks in old games. They were never meant to be power rangers.
They say the powerplant of the Prydwen was salvaged from Rivet City. Considering Maxon's BOS can't even be bothered to ask politely for food from the settlements of the Commonwealth and rather resorts to threats and violence, I think we all have a very good idea how that powerplant was acquired
The Enclave murders everyone that isn't Enclave. The BoS not only doesn't do that but also recruits people. The BoS also doesn't experiment on people and they aren't trying to advance technology. Those are some huge differences.
Yeah, kinda weird that after Fallout 2 you see them adopting the Enclave's vertibirds but there hasn't been a single brotherhood soldier using X-01/Advanced Power Armor
Meanwhile: Fallout 1 players: Cool, they have airships now Fallout 2 players: There's more than 1 of these A*holes? Fallout tactics players: Can you point me to the motor pool, i need a tank. Fallout 3 players: Are we the badies? Fallout NV players: So you cowards finally came out of hiding, eh? Fallout 4 players: So this is the brotherhood of steel? Fallout shelter players: Oh, I've got that same outfit back home in the vault! Fallout 76 players: Can i set up camp here?
Helldivers II players: Ha ha ha, look familiar? Scenes like this are happening all across the galaxy, right now. You could be next! That is unless you make the most important descision of your life. Prove to yourself that you have the strength and courage, to be free!
Fallout 4 player: Meting Dance and the police station: Oh they look cool Arriving Prytwen: Really Cool Maxon before ford strong: You can smell them? Helping get food from the farmers: This feel .... Wrong Blind betrayal: .... So they are fa...st..... Your options: 1. Stay for the cool stuff 2. May that ship crash to the ground 2.1 Sabotage of a capitalist robot 2.2 Explosive and stealth 2.3 Tactical artillery strike
Ironically the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4 the game the Fallout equivalent of Space Marines how genocidal and the unquestionable loyalty to their emper.. I mean their Elder that isn't even the High Elder committing genocide towards mutants and "sentient" robots which is weird I don't know why Arthur Maxson's first thought of problem the is Synths them being sentient not the part they are skinwalkers. Like honestly when I hear him rant he really sounds like a maniac and also how did the most of the Brotherhood have undying loyalty towards him despite his branch very likely has a bunch of wastelanders recruited and are not raised by the Brotherhood by birth, which Brotherhood members not questioning him would be understandable if they are generation raised by them but no like a good chunk of them wastelanders first which does not make sense wastelander would not give a shit about the brotherhood's main goal of preserving technology. Also really wish Bethesda did not cut a lot of powerful technology shit for the institute like literally the conflict feels really non-existent because the Brotherhood just has so much of a big advantage over the two factions that they are literally ants I mean seriously at this point how do you supposed to beat giant robot that shoots lasers and nukes, the only thing that would counter Liberty prime is heavy duty military missiles which clearly neither side has and logically the two other factions cannot beat the Brotherhood without protag help, which is why in Fallout New Vegas all the factions conflicts are interesting because either side can fuck each other up in different ways instead of having it very one-sided like in Fallout 4 case. But yeah enough of my rambling!
I mean if you pay attention in F03 it is stated the BoS has always hated ghouls. If you go to "The Underworld" Willow who is the outside guard does say "If we get to close the BoS shoots at us yet so long as we stay here they leave us alone". The BoS has never liked Ghouls even under Lyons.
@@MinuteManAlex So TBH I've kinda had a theory of where Bethesda intends to take this version of the Brotherhood: I think Maxon is a Synth built by the Enclave. Fallout 3 confirms that both synths AND the Enclave were active in the DC area, so it makes sense that the Enclave would get their hands on one sooner or later. This'd also explain why the BoS has undergone this MASSIVE shift in ideology and doctrine under his leadership. Less focused on isolationism and more around 'purifying' the Commonwealth. It'd also explain why the Enclave never hit the Citadel despite possessing the capability - they had their little sleeper agent embedded in their ranks. This is worth bringing-up because they're copying it from the MCU where Hydra infiltrates SHIELD. They even have the airships and ties to a f----t movement...
Minutemen have the best toys - you can dekulakize every settler and make them work for food in your "Happy Labor Camp" until they build a gun large enough to take down everything BOS throws at them.
Are they really? Most wastelanders don't like mutants, ghouls or synths. They rightly fear them. Y'all think about things in the short term. Imagine if there's a society where 50% are ghouls, 50% are human. In 200 years that number of humans may go up but during that time how many of those ghouls will become feral and kill many of the humans? How long do you think that society will last? Who do you think will win?
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цThe NCR is already a developed Nation and even they had a difficult time with the much smaller West Coast Brotherhood. There's no chance of anyone defeating the combined East Coast chapter. The Minutemen are not a government, they're a bunch of farmers with no military training or experience. The BOS is a militaristic faction that's existed since the Great War.
When you realize you could have totally changed the brotherhood in 4 if you could kill young Maxson when you meet him at the Citadel in 3. He's basically Hitler, except instead of getting rejected from art school, he got rejected by Sarah Lyons.
Well Bethesda like to hint at Brotherhood becoming Enclave in more way than one. But given that eastern Supermutants are FAR less friendly than Master’s one, ghouls are ticking time bombs and 99.9% of synths are either malicious or infiltrators (oftentimes both), I’d say their attitude can be understood. At least they are willing to tolerate synths, mutants and ghouls who a fellow member vouched for.
When the Brotherhood of Steel became so powerful to the point nobody can fight them back that will be the beginning of the corruption to their own faction since their actions will no longer have any consequences. Edit: A small spoiler I am hinting on The Fallout TV show
Enclave are literally everything the BoS has always been against, never has it been hinted that they’re breaking the rules they themselves set up. The reason people hate the BoS is because they’re too dedicated to their ideals, not because they’ve strayed. They’ve always had the “we know better than everyone else” mentality.
@@DOPSTARZzz the BOS are always show up against something worse than them, However the BOS on Fallout 3 are actually doing a good job but unfortunately they been viewed as a rogue team by other BOS elders out side of the Capital Wasteland.
If you don’t think they’re bad, remember the quarter master sends you on a mission to collect “tribute” from settlements and tells you to use force if you have to.
It’s called ‘taxation’-so what is your point? You can pay tax to some more or less civilised military faction (such as BoS or Minutemen) and remain protected; or you can be killed by raiders/mutants/robots/whatever and lose everything for nothing. By the way, if don’t know Minutemen are literally fascist paramilitary organisation found in 1960s by Robert DePugh, it was pursued by U.S. government and disbanded after all. Speaking of colonists, well, they killed and rob Native Americans-so is it any better? LOL
@@vosmbz No. Taxation without representation is LITERALLY the entire impetus for the US being founded. Minutemen's namesake is in reference to colonial times. Not some group of idiots from the 60's who also referenced the colonists. Minutemen didn't demand any supplies from settlers. They offered help, and we can assume asked for help when one of their settlements were under attack. That is different than "take their food by any means necessary". Your take is hot garbage, and likely so are your real life politics. I support your ability to VOTE, regardless of your IQ. Because that, along with no taxation without representation, are important keystones of the US.
As a guy who started the series with 3, and really loved the DC brotherhood, it actually hurt a bit to see what they'd become in F4, a big reason why I never join them, and instead usually go minutemen. I'd go Railroad, but that route means Glory has to die, and I refuse.
No, same here. I was so excited to join them all again, especially after my friend told me that Dr. Li was in the game (didn't know that she was in the institute at the time), only to have my heart shattered and remember that the BoS in 3 were outcasts
I am curious how Maxson went down this path, since the player from Vault 101 surely would have been working with ghouls and supermutants during the run. Must have been the ending where he either didn't activate the water purifier, or something.
I subscribe to the theory that I saw recently. Sara Lyons was replaced with a synth and since he used to have a massive crush on her he used the anger and rage about it and turned it on synths and later everything not human. Basically a downward spiral Some versions of the theory say he had her killed then covered it up saying she fell in battle hence Dance's line of Maxson sending others to do his dirty work when you confront him after the synth reveal
@@craigunshallach4951 Broken Steel allows you to send in a radiation immune companion, but canonically the Lone Wanderer is the one to activate Project Purity.
I reckon they just made the bad ending of broken steel cannonical, as they say Sarah Fell in battle, which only happens in that fight once you get back to the citadel after hitting it with an orbital strike, and would perfectly explain why they were so distrusting and rude to outsiders afterwards and would actively hate and mock lyons for letting the lone wanderer in, and trusting him with maybe the survivors regrouping with the outcasts to regroup, hence their additudes and disrespect towards everyone we helped along the way, as they apparently take out underworld and rob rivet city of its reactor to power the blimp full of dicks which still doesnt explain the new elder somehow aging from being an 8 year old kid in fallout 3, to like a 35 year old in fallout 4 in less than a decade however, and bringing the entire brotherhood to the new wasteland unless you rig him up to be a synth working for the institute, which could work given what's found to still be in the harbor in the mission Here There Be Monsters and if you were told to use it against them in the institute storyline and how stupid it is to put everyone on the hindenberg like that instead of just landing the stupid thing and building a mobile base from its parts literally within spitting distance of that damn thing like your telling me no one at the institute, the very same institute that invented radar in real life, would have put a sonar beacon in the water at some point to see what's out there?
@@blackheart_1852No she fell in battle and he was under her care until then. This is dumb to portray him as some mustache twirling villain because some perfect saint was killed. There were elders who came after her and they were inaffective. Maxson had to prove himself. He saved his squad from raiders, took down a deathclaw and defeated the leader of super mutants. He wasn't just sitting around killing his own people. He cared about BOS so he wouldn't just weaken it. He was the one to unite the outcasts and make the BOS stronger. Plus the west coast backed him and elected him elder. People just want some goodie two shoes faction to be BOS. They were never that type of faction. Go join the minutemen. BOS under Maxson haven't abandoned Lyons ideas, instead they have combined them with original ideas. This is where Lyons failed and Mason succeeded. Why BOS don't have good memories of Lyons is because he put wastelanders first and sent many of his men to die in DC to protect them. They were constantly losing friends and family. After Owyn and Sarah die the elders that came after were weak so no good memories. Arthur Maxson brings them back to glory so that's what they are happy to seem. Also members who were outcasts already hated Lyons, so this makes complete sense. In GTA IV and Lost & Damned DLC you see Billy was President of the chapter and an asshole. You play as Johnny the vice president who takes over as President but the club has to be burnt down. By the time of GTA I Lost MC members say Johnny wasn't a good President and how they miss the days of Billy. This is because when Billy was alive, they had the club and things seemed great for them. Lyons BOS was struggling and they held their base in the pentagram. They protected scientists at project purity but with James leaving they abandoned it so Dr Li and the others went to Rivet city. Lyons was more about protecting the people even at the cost of his men dying in battle for years. This is why you see initiates in power armour as he has lost man power. Part of that manpower are outcasts. He has to rely on new recruits and members are obviously not going to see that as a good memory. One scribe talks about how horrible deaths in DC for the BOS have been as she had to examine the bodies. You will find dead BOS initiates in power armour in DC as well. There was one wasting ammo who you see. She gets killed by the Behemoth. These were not good times for the BoS. The lone wanderer is who helped them turn the tide. So Arthur didn't destroy the BOS as you claim but saved it. That's why he is loved not only in the east but the west but Mason is against the cult. He doesn't want to be worshipped as a god. Many people who came from Fallout 3, misunderstood the BOS.
It's insane that they set up that the fallout 4 brotherhood is a mixture of Lyons and traditionalist ideas, but in-game, they're just traditionalists who hate Lyons.
"East coast BOS became the New Enclave." Like what? They always hated mutants. Lyons wanted to wipe all the super mutants in DC.The Enclave was just the bigger threat and had access to a lot of technology. Heck FO4 brotherhood still have lots of Lyons influence still. Actively protecting local human population and recruiting outside the Brotherhood
Protect huh.... Is that what you call it? Also collecting 'tribute' with force if necessary. Those are missions that you're sent by the quarter master by the way Tgere's anothee word for that, a word the romans liked to use when expanding their borders
@meideval That's still protecting. If anything, that's still more evidence of the BOS and the Enclave because, like the former US government tax collecting is what major powers do
@meideval Yes, they are protecting the human population. Never said they were the good guys. And i like how you point out Rome being the prime example, but please tell me what major empire in history did not expand and conquer or tax its people
@@meideval Yeah, and you know what happens if you don't do those missions? Genuinely nothing. By comparison, you also see their patrols of knights wandering around killing mutants and abominations, PROTECTING the local human population.
I think people misunderstood the BOS in Fallout 4. Everyone says they hate synths, ghouls, and mutants because they are "different", when that isn't the reason at all. They hate them due to the fact all of them can easily become an unprovoked threat. They put the wellbeing of humanity above all else, which is the reason they destroy the intitute instead of taking the tech for themselves. They don't want anyone to learn how to make synths seeing how dangerous they are.
@@mateusnogueira7340 the difference is that ghouls, mutants, and synths are actually threats. It's like saying it would be bad to discriminate a zombie, no, it's not, it's a mindless killing machine. Ghouls can go feral out of nowhere (which Hancock tells the player is the reason Diamond City barred ghouls), and synths can either be reprogrammed or malfunction (as with the Broken Mask case). Neither is human, it's like saying it's bad to discriminate against an animal, or a cellphone. Do you guys even bother with the lore of the game, or do you just think "discrimination=bad" regardless of the circumstances? Also, I doubt Hitler said Jews can randomly turn into mindless killer machines.
@lonewolf0712 That's the problem ngl. Fans just assume "Not diverse and giving second chances!?! Evil racist killers!" It'll only get worse with the new ones coming in. I don't wanna gate keep, but I know that the brother hood is gonna get flack for doing what every other human would do.
@@lonewolf0712 If you put it like that all humans are a threats cuz they do as bad as this abominations in Fallout and can lose their mind at any point cuz of the harsh conditions. Ghouls can live cool if taking their meds, shut down synths by the institute are just people with machine inside them and some mutants are fine even tho i really dont care about them. They're not mindless killing machines wtf you talking about, some of the best characters are ghouls, and some mutants are smart asf. And you want to tell me Nick is a mindless killing machine??? Danse?? I get the hate and extermination of all ferals, institute synths and most super mutants who are evil assholes, but besides that is all a metaphor to real life fascism Dont dude, you understood what i said, Hitler used to call all jews a threat to the progress of the human race. Nobody said nothing about jews being killing machines, at this point you're just tripping or playing dumb
@60sSam The most annoying in my opinion would be that random death claw when it pops out of nowhere and you've wasted most of your stuff on the last fight.
I think them having a functioning liberty prime makes them a little more dangerous than the enclave at that point especially since maxson is only like 20 years old canonically i think they’ll be alot stronger in fallout 5
@@hugo9927 or weaker, or exactly the same. Probably won't be gone completely, but you never know 🤔 I.e. In Fallout 1, they are a single chapter about on par with a vault numbers wise, and the only thing that puts them ahead is technical skill, power armour, and acess to big guns & ammo In fallout 2, they are in decline and there's only 3 of them in the whole game, none of them have power armor, they still have nice guns but that's hardly a trate unique to them. In the next game, fallout tactics, things have changed again, now they've grown to be as state sized militia, they have airships, operate vehicles, tanks, heavy equipment, control multiple bunkers, a vault, and take over the whole of illinois. in fallout 3, they're back down to a single chapter of a few hundred people and maintain a loose control over the region In fallout new vegas, things are even worse as they've gone into hiding as a minor faction And in Fallout 4, they're back to mounting city scale invasions. What I'm trying to say is that they're fairly inconsistent.
I turned on the BOS after I realized they wanted me to steal or intimate my settlements into supplying food and water for the whole BOS. I was like the hell with you. Do you have any idea what I had to do to get this settlement to produce food and water and have settlers? Preston might be annoying, but I love being the General of the Minutemem. I'm one of the few who fell in love with both the story of fallout 4 and the bases building. I'm on my third run, hoping it will be my second to finish and my first with the dlc.
I always laugh when Danse invites me to join the Brotherhood and says, "Do you want to spend the rest of your days fighting for a meagre reward?" And I'm thinking, "Instead of becoming the de facto ruler of the Commonwealth? Let me think about it."
@UteChewb I took Danse with me to take the Castle this time around. I actually got a dislike out of him when Randy's Shaw showed up and I put 6 mortars on the Castle. -shrugs- I want to have the option of blowing the BOS out of the sky, like all normal citizens of the commonwealth.
@MinuteManAlex Last time, I went the most peaceful route and welcomed the extra man power for dealing with supper mutants. For me, that is basically the only reason to keep the BOS around. I've moded my minutemen, and I'm so proud to see the patrols now with full power armor as well as heavy armored troopers. They are much more effective on this run. It's possible I will come to the conclusion that I don't need the BOS this time. But that will have to wait till I've dealt with the institute.
I’d like to point out that the brotherhood don’t really have the commonwealth’s best interest in mind. They’re realistically doing what they do for themselves, under the guise that they know what’s best for the commonwealth. I like the minutemen better because they’re far less preachy and are just trying to help.
It's they're and it takes a lot more time than just one second. Feralization is quite obvious, you have plenty time to kill the ghoul before they completely turn, this isn't the Walking Dead or Left 4 Dead.
Yep. Same with mutants and synths. People give the BOS hate because they hate things that are genuinely a threat to humanity. So what if they are all part of the same group? It's not the same as hating a race since ghouls and mutants aren't there own race. It's like saying it's racist to hate zombies since you are hating them due to them belonging to the same group.
@lonewolf0712 Non-Feral ghouls are in no way threats to humans normally. Synths are not threats to humans any more than humans are threats to humans, the institute is a threat to humans. You hold the idea that ghouls and synths are any different than humans when it comes to being a threat to humans, which is wrong. The institute is the threat, not the synths.
Bethesda didn't even bother having a splinter of the Brotherhood that followed Lyons' ways, no gotta kill anyone who wants to desert because we want to force people to like Maxson... Maxson is an arrogant sack of shit that lets his soldiers do whatever they want without consequences... It's not like some of us liked Lyons or anything right? No apparently we don't exist, thanks Emil... 😠
Yeah, I was super bummed there wasn't a thread you could follow where you help an internal faction that was loyal to Lyons, thus transforming the BoS for those of us that liked the FO3 version. It really isn't that much to ask to allow the player the agency to somewhat affect the faction they join. After all, we are far more than a bit player in any faction by the end. It's frustrating to no end that we can't impact the game on that level.
yeah, not like Maxson was raised by Elder Lyons and even had a crush on the daughter... then again if you look at the main storyline in FO4, it's like they didnt even bother writing sth coherent for the game
@@ChemySh That's the reason why i can't stand Maxson. It's like he just stopped giving a shit about the people that raised him. And he's letting his soldiers insult their legacy "hurr durr, Lyons was a shitty elder" If he still cared about Lyons, he would have mandated "Do not insult the people who raised me"
@@tjhedgescout3052 I have mixed feelings on Lyon slander being allowed tbh. On one hand, I dont like it for obvious reasons. On the other hand, there were periods in commie China history when they flip flop between which historical figures to worship/slander
@@ChemySh It's just... Some people became a fan of Lyons, and to have 4 shit on him is a good way to drive us Lyons supporters away from the Brotherhood... It's also why CSEP was created, a new type of outcasts that favor Lyons.
Same, while Lyons Brotherhood went rogue and strayed from the BoS ideals. I actually prefered lyons Brotherhood the most! God, i miss lyons Brotherhood. Cant believe they just killed Sarah lyons off like that too. 😢😢
@@dontfrythis2458 to be fair fallout 3 was my first fallout game so I was going in blind with no knowledge of it’s continuity. If it wasn’t for fallout 3 I wouldn’t be a fallout fan
I played Fallout 4 first, got to Fallout 3 and met BOS in some library and was amazed how polite they were to me. I haven’t seen enough of them to really make any judgement. Still surprised how polite they were.
Well, the other option is the railroad... or the Institute, which seems to just use the commonwealth as an experiment. At least the BoS is trying to rid the commonwealth of the institute and the supermutants. While they dislike non feral ghouls, they dont just outright engage them. They're basically the best option of the 3. Minuetmen is better overall, but they'll actually work with the BoS regardless.
I see a lot of BoS fans mention a Minutemen and BOS alliance. I disagree this would be canon for a few reasons. The Minutemen are in part made up of local farmers. The BoS quest "feeding the troops" has you "convince" local farmers to hand over 50% of crops. If you can't "convince," you kill the farmers as acceptable losses. Even if they are "convinced" most will make a comment about how they know they don't really have a choice. I think Preston isn't the biggest fan of them either, but they will tolerate it so the game can proceed. The minutemen like Strudges are made up of synths, which is unacceptable by the BoS, you'll have to kill your own if they find out. Like Warhammer 40K, the point of Fallout is about disagreement and constant war. Although you could convince certain factions to back off from one another. It defeats the point of the actual franchise from a Connon perspective. Even the BoS are a mess, they are in every Fallout game, but notice how they always have factions go off and do their own things or take power from those within their own ranks. Fallout 3 and 4 and New Vegas, this is the case. (Fallout Tactics too) In other words, ~10 years the BoS would be doomed to fail if that trend continues.
I've never liked the BoS. They're bigots and murderers. They started that way. They were never about protecting people or making things better, just making sure humans, inevitably, come to their bitter end in another Fallout. The Institute is no different. Human scientists thinking that making people synths will make the world better with them controlling them and reaping the rewards of that until, in the end, inevitably, they create another Fallout. The Railroad are the same as The Institute, they just don't know it; or they do and don't care and inevitably, they too, will cause a Fallout, and the Minutemen are the worst of them all: they are just regular people who save themselves and not the world and, inevitably, are the true cause of all Fallouts. There are no good guys. There are the rare innocent people, typically children, and then everyone else. Look at your character in this game? No matter the moral choices you make, inevitably you will kill hundreds, if not thousands, of people etc., I have a game going right now: xp level 33, 32 hrs in, and it states under stats I've already murdered two people. Who? No idea. There are no good guys in this game: everyone is a bad guy.
If you help ghouls move into Tenpenny Tower in FO3 they slaughter all the humans so only someone with notable mental deficiencies would think a group opposed to such integration was bad. Especially considering in the games that feralness seems completely random.
I disagree. To be fair, there are factors that can cause ferals. Such as exposure to way too much radiation, and Isolation. And those ghouls don’t nessarily represent all ghouls.
@@MinuteManAlex To be fair, there have been ghouls like Captain Zao and Oswald Oppenheimer that didn't go feral, while all the other ghouls with them did. The Marked Men remain sane despite living in an irradiated sandstorm. So, there is no guarantee any one thing or combo of things will cause feralness and so no guarantee avoiding those things will prevent feralness. The people of Diamond City were willing to evict the ghouls after one went feral. The ghouls that took over Tenpenny weren't even feral. So, not only can they decide they just don't like humans but they can also just randomly go feral and attack humans but not ghouls. You could be talking to Bob and he suddenly has a stroke or a seizure then starts gnawing on your face. Or you tell Bob, "Good night," and wake up to him gnawing on your ass jerky.
@@johnmathews2030 I think it’s possible that there could be a genetic factor. For example, the Croup Family, aside from one Croup, in FO4 we’re all ferals as soon as the bombs dropped
No, we're not. God forbid a player has to use their heads and realise they Brotherhood is morally grey. But it's a light grey, they do vastly more good than bad.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8ц The only "good" faction is the Minutemen. Institute is cartoonishly evil and uses slavery and shape-shifters to sow chaos. Railroad helps programmable machines to replace humanity. BoS is needlessly dictatorial. I still joined them as they were the lesser evil. Minutemen, sadly, are the General and that's it.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цthey aren't even close to being fascist. Do you see them trying to conquer the Commonwealth? Do you see them mindlessly attacking settlements and subjecting them to do their biding? No? Well then, they aren't fascists. They literally only attack threats to themselves.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цThey kill nun humans. They don't bother others besides maybe trading with farmers. And they blew up a large technology reap instead of taking it all because they put the safety of humans first.
Well given that the BoS in 4 is genocidal against synths and most likely non-feral ghouls and peaceful super mutants, I would have to say "yes". It really is sad since in 3 they were the heroes who brought down the Enclave, now they have become almost as genocidal as they were, only slightly less so since they have a slightly more liberal idea of who counts as "human". *Edit* All these years later and I still find it disturbing how easily people can defend an organization that seeks to commit genocide against sentient beings even if they have done nothing wrong. Says something about Brotherhood propaganda that they can even indoctrinate people in the real world.
@@GamingTalk-cl7xjnot quite. Theyre bad to anyone that isnt Brotherhood. That just means sometimes theyre the lesser evil. Only slightly above raiders. They operate the same tho, squeezing farmers and stealing their stuff. Submit or be crushed
@@TheGanjologist I argue in the wasteland there is only lesser evils. But end of day they put themselves in harms way to make the area safer for the average person.
I kind of love how the gameplay and story come together when it comes to siding with the Brotherhood in FO4. Its kind of like the argument for the Legion in New Vegas. People under the legion say they ain't nice but they keep the roads safe to travel. You don't really see that in the gameplay. In FO4, sure they may be fascists, but my god is it a relief to see a Vertibird drop a guy in power armour right on top of the raider camp in your way. I find myself naturally coming to the legion conclusion with the Brotherhood, and honestly its one of the best exaples of the gameplay and story syncing up I've seen in gaming
Nah I’ve tried but I can’t get past Caesars whole slavery and mostly for women thing. Big nah they catching 40mm grenades to the face every time. And Caesar’s apprentices are dicks never forgot the Nipton Lottery
The BOS is nowhere near being fascists. For starters they don't try to impose any form of authority over the people of the Commonwealth. They let the people live their lives, so long as they don't attack the BOS. The closest they get is asking you to "recruit" settlements, which can be done by paying them to align with the BOS. Not to mention only you are asked to do it, so it's not a priority of the faction. Secondly, the things they want to destroy are actual threats. Synths can be nice, but they can be reprogrammed or malfunction to start killing people. Ghouls can be nice, but they can go feral. Super mutants can be nice, but they can also regress to be killing machines. Everything they despise can be a threat, and most likely will be a threat. Thirdly, their only real mission to to collect tech, and to destroy threats. Nothing about them would align with fascism.
The moment that made me want to join the Brotherhood was when I was heading to a quest location, and saw Brotherhood knights fighting Supermutants that I would have needed to kill. Having these guys in the game, and on my side, makes my job easier.
@@chadnorris8257 I'm a big BOS fan and I often just walk with a patrol of knights, pretending we're all in the same squad. I really wish we could actually recruit knights and paladins and just go patrol the wasteland together. I think it would make sense to be able to order BOS guys around too, seeing how the player becomes sentinel at the end.
@@wolfbrigade8042 It would be nice being able to order patrols once we get to Paladin rank. There's so much more that could have been done with the game, that they didn't do. I like the gameplay, and the world, but the story and factions are a weak point. The settlement building could have used work too. Funnily enough I bought the game because I heard the factions were interesting, and that there was settlement building. Neither of which turned out as good as I hoped, but I still like the gameplay, the perks, and the world.
@@benz505 you dont need to sacrifice everybody else. not all synths are evil. and if you believe they are all evil, you have taken too much of the BOS koolaid.
In fairness, every railroad member who dies saving synths knew the stakes. Yes, with their resources they could probably help a lot more people if they ignored the institute and targeted raiders or something. But the synths have nobody else.
@@jingthethief They are machines whose memories can be wiped out in a moment. Railroad even does it a lot. You can argue they're killing the Synths to help Synths. Institute was dumb for creating Synths in the first place (for ethical and practical reasons), but Railroad is even dumber. First created the biggest threat to Mankind, second works to spread it further. Synths will replace all humanity if given time. Let's look at Dima. He replaced key humans with synths, killing the originals, then he pacified his conscience by removing the memories and storing them away to feel better. Shows you that synths can and will turn on humanity on a moment's notice.
Fallout 3 in my opinion had the only truly good elder.elder lyons was truly a good guy deep down and actually tried to save people and keep order in a non dictator way.in both fallout 4 and new Vegas even though I loved those games the brotherhood was to stuck in old ideals and not open to accepting people wich made them bad i think.
@@proxyone5019 Railroad replaced humans with synths and shifted blame to the Institute, who were only there to reclaim the missing property. Everyone thinks "Institute kidnaps people".
Absolutely. They value machines over humans and couldn't care less about the consequences of their actions. A synth managed to become a raider boss thanks to them.
The BOS looks at the bigger picture. Ghouls eventually become feral, whether in 200 years or 2 years, they will become feral and you have no idea when that may happen. It could happen while you're traveling with them and you can be asleep. Their flesh falls off and they smell like a corpse. They are extremely fast and strong and difficult to kill. You would not, realistically, hang out with them if you wouldn't even hang out with people with poor hygiene. Synths are machines, technology often degrades with time. They have the capability to bring the human race to extinction. The "friendly" mutants once we're part of an army that sought to bring the human race to extinction. Since they are sentient they can change their minds at any time and go back to killing. If you lived in that world you wouldn't like them either. If you wouldn't even approach a raccoon because of their potential to be dangerous you wouldn't approach a mutant or a ghoul.
The BoS may not be the good guys but at least they are the lesser evil compared to the other faction in fallout universe, thats why i tolerate them more than others
@@jingthethief They are literal zombies you goof they are freaks by the definition there is nothing bigoted about it. That’s like saying calling a decaying corpse gross is bigotry. They are people yes and should be treated as such but they are abominations wrought from the Great War and Radiation.
Fallout 1 BOS: Sends suicide missions to a 100 year old radioactive crater in the hopes of scavenging tech.
Fallout 4 BOS: Discovers an intact, operational pre-war research center and turns it into a radioactive crater.
"Fine. I'll do it myself."
To be fair, it's been over 100 years since the first game, and they're doing a lot better than they were at the time the missions were sent to Dayglow. Something about a bottle of water being worth more than diamond in a desert, but not all that much in a functional modern civilization where you buy it cheap by the gallon.
I rationalized it as them increasingly turning into power-hungry assholes and gatekeepers of scientific knowledge. But man that was dumb.
But then the Institute and Railroad questlines are even dumber, leaving you with the Minutemen, who are a desperately barren faction, but at least they have straightforward and understandable motivations for the most part...
I'm not fun at parties. let me fix the fo1 one for you: sends suicide missions hoping the 'recruit' won't make it back.
Just wanted to clarify that, because they were VERY honest in that game. they did it to get rid of you, admit when you return they didn't think you'd succeed and that they can't accept you into their organization, but still lets you gain access, because you brought them useful shit.
They did state that they believed institute experiments shouldn't be recreated, inparticular the synth program. Better to destroy the experiment and all evidence of it than to risk someone recreating it.
Picking a faction in the fallout universe is like picking your nose. You never know how big the booger will be but it will be a booger.
Nah, just cleanse out marcia long and youre good with the minutemen
Lyons brotherhood of steel. Kill supermutants , distributed water, kill enclave.
@@lurifaks92 Preston is a giant booger just not the evil kind of booger 🤣 more like a goober.
Railroad and Minutemen are both pretty good tbh. The railroad just have a narrow focus, and the minutemen have bad longevity. Stick the two of them together and they're perfect.
@alyarin9000 TF you talking about? Railroad are facists too.
One of my favourite things is bringing Nick Valentine onboard the Prydwen and hearing him roast the Brotherhood guys who try to talk shit about him.
"Prydwen"?? Sounds a bit Welsh.
@@commandingjudgedredd1841 Yeah, they mimic a Boston's uprising in a way, BOS is just cosplaying the British with their Royal Expedition Force.
I SWEAR they based him off of a real detective, Detective Joe Kenda.
True to his Boston roots.
@@commandingjudgedredd1841 That's cause it's named after the ship of King Arthur that sailed him on his expeditions to Ireland.
"I mean, what do skulls make you think of? Death... cannibals... beheading... powder gangers..."
"Powder gangers are fun!"
But they didn't get to design our uniforms!
I didn’t say we weren’t fun!
To honor the death of our comrades
"yeah you gotta a point there mate"
I joined the powder gangers I became a cannibal and I eat a NCR dude and I’m on my way to join the legion…. I am a good person.. I have a lovely personality…..
I had enough of Lyons and his foolish ways.
- "Preston, 20 artillery, right?"
Honestly I have no problems with Lyons, man’s daughter saved our life and man also saved our life instead of leaving us for dead.
That armourer guy who straight up recruits you into his extortion racket
bro tried to send me to my own settlement full of heavily armed marines
fuck am I gonna do? be the next blue on blue statistic?
And he’s basically recruiting us to extort our own settlements.
You can pay them for their services. Violence isn't necessary.
I always skip that assholes quests, really enjoyed ending him specifically during my Railroad and Institute runs
Name of the npc?
Alligning with BoS in F3 to take down Enclave only for the East coast BoS to become the new Enclave in F4...
Wrong. The BoS in 3 is an exception not the rule, Lyons went rogue with his bleeding heart. BoS in 4 is more in tune with the early games , like the Outcasts in 3.
@@1vandread that's why 3 was cool. I really enjoy small or split factions even if you can't join one side. Minutemen was kinda simular as well in 4.
@1vandread the Midwest BoS excepted Super Mutants and Ghouls into their ranks (I think they might of had an intelligent Deathclaw too)
*[laughs in hegelian dialectics]*
@@Bludobi9001 Unless you put Barnaky's brain in the Vault 0 computer, and then they go on an anti-mutant purge. A lot of the other endings also end with the Brotherhood going pretty authoritarian too
Nora sounding a lot like Nate, lmao.
she on psycho i think
At least this Nora didn't take the BigBlackGlock when she confessed of not having sexual relations with the abominations.
I think it's just Nate but the player named him Nora
@@weedbuckmcchum6465 based
I have my Respect for Elder Lyons for Abandoning the BoS Ideals and became The Capital Wasteland's Protectors in 3 even when they are Hostile to Outsiders.
But theyre not. They hold themselves up in the pentagon and refuse to come out. They only help retake the purifier because the enclave have it
@@dontfrythis2458 I don't blame them though since they lack in man power. BoS in 3 were divided. The Outcasts didn't believe Lyons Ideals so they continued their old mission.
BoS are scattered across the Wasteland and are fighting Mutants or Raiders which would mean there could be numerous casualties. That's just my Perspective.
@@dontfrythis2458 Not accurate. The BOS in fo3 have trouble keeping locations due to being seen as defectors, having had many members abandon them as the outcasts.
They're actively trying to scavenge for technology in 3, will help the player out in different locations, are trying to secure the GNR building to keep it functioning keep the GNR broadcast relatively safe (hard to stop bullets from a mile away though), and on multiple occasions will even pay you for you helping them out finding stuff while they clear places not just of mutants, but of raiders and other groups as well.
Project purity was not seen as viable due to many factors, one major one being the main guy working on it abandoned the project after his wife died, and it's implied that, that is around the same time the outcasts began splintering from them, which is part of the reasons they told dr. lee they couldn't keep expending the resources.
Even after the enclave take it over, they don't show much interest until it's indicated that the player's father figured out a way to finish project purity, which indicates that project purity was seen as a fool's errand they were confident would just be the enclave wasting resources.
Finding tech is far more important than saving individual wasteland settlements. That kind of power does not belong in the hands of a wastelanders .
@@russianbot2630 Gonna sound like a loaded question, but with your statement, i gotta ask, you anti-gun?
To be completely open. im asking because you can replace "tech" with "guns" in your statement, and it suddenly sounds like the modern anti-gun community trying to justify gun control.
I'm playing Fallout 3 right now and the ghoul city of underworld has mentioned multiple times that the brotherhood tries to exterminate them. They we're never very tolerant.
Only because they don't know any better. As far as they know, all ghouls are the same. Once they will be show how things truly are, they will change.
@@lilacorkindheart8325 lol no. It doesn’t take much to distinguish a feral from a non-feral ghoul, like some simple questions one could ask themselves are “Is this ghoul fully clothed and walking at a leisurely pace? Or is it half naked, growling, and charging at me?” the fact is the BOS don’t care and are hostile to all ghouls.
@@jaysonmusson
Forgive me, but I highly doubt your words. They are shooting them on sight, therefore from affar - they wouldn't hear them say a word or just infer that they were going to growl before hearing them uttering a single word.
Brotherhood member do not interact with settlements much so many of them don't even know about the everyday ghouls.
I live long enough to know to trust myself, so I am sure someone more knowledgeable will confirm this.
Remember that as well not all brotherhood members will be so wise or kind as the rest.
Was it the Brotherhood trying to kill them or the Outcasts? To a ghoul running for their life, one dude in power armor looks the same as any other dude in power armor
@@amoe_raven4148
Good Question.
"I'll die before I tolerate." - Elder Maxson 2287, before his death at the hands of the Institute
you mean 2287. 2281 was the time of New Vegas, six years before Fallout 4.
@@masterDevis You're right. My mistake.
@@Kyle-gi2jb no probs! 👍
You do realise that even in fo3 it’s noted that BoS would take potshots at ghouls feral or not.
Yep. A ghoul named Willow mentions that when you discover the Museum of History.
"Any ghoul that runs is a feral... any ghoul that stands still is a well-disciplined feral!"
I mean was that a rule in place by Lyons or just something the That BOS encampment did on their own and ruled it as feral ghouls?
@@kevintheprincedragon8661I mean probably probably not
So? Rather take down a normal ghoul than taking a risk to get hurt or killed by a feral one. Beides, those who are still saine would never run on the citadell
thats actually a conversation MacCready had when he noticed the gunners had skulls on everything, and stopped working for them.
"Wait, _we're_ the baddies?!" "Always have been 🔫👨🚀"
Yeah, the Brotherhood were only the good guys in Fallout 3. Other than that...well, Squire Thaddeus puts it best: it's a complicated organization.
They're not bad guys, you're just irrational. In real life would you be friends with someone who's skin was peeling and fell of at random, who stunk like a corpse and who had the potential to become a mindless monster that can be shot several times and not die, who was also capable of extreme speed, agility and had the strength to rip you apart? If you would be you'd be a fool. The fact is a ghoul can become feral in a day. You could be sleeping while traveling and they'd become feral and tear you apart.
If you think about things realistically, the BOS is under no obligation to help anyone at all. In real life ammo would not come quite as easily as it does in the games, keeping Power Armor functional would not be nearly as simple and you wouldn't be around ghouls knowing they can tear you apart and they smell so bad. You would be disgusted, afraid and cautious. If the human race is to ever survive it wouldn't be with ghouls. If the human race is to prosper ghouls would have to be exiled from human settlements because of the threat they pose, not only to human life because of the fact that they become feral, but also because dead flesh attracts insects and other animals that feast on carrion, which is A LOT in the fallout universe. Why can't ghouls create their own settlements? If they go feral they won't be a threat to anyone. A ghoul could go to Lexington and be relatively safe if they're not attacked by raiders. A human cannot.
@@PaladinThizz I actually would be friends with a ghoul. Because that's still a human being and they deserve kindness just like everyone else. They have a debilitating condition, a disease. That doesn't make them less of a person. Theyre like a metaphor for leprosy, and I wouldn't abandon a leper, either. Also, everything about what causes ghouls to go feral is entirely speculative. Tone down your fictional racism, bud.
@@cristiw3606 Well... Actually, they didn't do anything wrong in New Vegas either.
Except for the fact that they put an explosive collar on the courier when they first met
Fallout 1: techno-monks. Mostly staying away, involving themselves with the outside world for trade and mutual defense when absolutely necessary
Fallout 2: monks have missionaries on PR jobs and are making ties with settlements and proto-states
Fallout tactics: offshoot of monks become the Teutonic knights
Fallout 3: monks have been retooled to focus on the military aspect of their order. They are like the knights hospitalars.
Fallout NV: monks have retreated to secret monastery fortress.
Fallout 4: hospitalar offshoot sets its’ sites on empire building. Channels severed Teutonic offshoot.
The brotherhood in Fallout 3 were of course rude and unsociable to the inhabitants of the capital wasteland as typical foreign military, but they took the people there into their ranks, fought with super mutants, protected people whenever possible, protected the babbling DJ with his struggle on the bright side. With the purity project, they began to deliver clean water to settlements for free, it is clear that of course in order to strengthen their influence, but the fact that they even bothered with this means something. In general, callous but good guys, and in the fourth... Oh, who would have thought that such an asshole would grow out of this little kid in the citadel...
to be fair BOS was hostile to ghouls in FO 3 as well.
Even Lyon’s Brotherhood of Steel viewed non feral ghouls as abominations, that is not worth active extermination.
00:18 what he said fit perfictly with the background theme
Imagine how it must feel for the Lone Wanderer (assuming they survive the end of the base game and past Broken Steel) to watch as the very same Brotherhood that took them in after their dad's death, and helped them retake Project Purity from the Enclave. The same Brotherhood that they fought, bled, and nearly died for. The same Brotherhood that wouldn't be were it is today if not for them and their efforts. Only for them to turn around and become no better than the Enclave in only 10 years
Imagine a decent dlc where we meet the wanderer in fo4 as part of a new brotherhood outcast trying to take down maxon
They're not the same as the Enclave though. I can understand gen 3 synths but from BOS perspective, they're made from abuse of technology. That makes sense. While I don't care about wiping out feral ghouls and super mutants which in the commonwealth are all evil.
Gen 1 and 2 synths are more machine too and are hostile.
Enclave were not killing people for abuse of technology and they wanted to get rid of mutated people which included humans, where is BOS doing this? Enclave wants pure humans. That's why Eden wants you to use the modified FEV.
The quests have you taking out enemies who are hostile. BOS were never meant to be good guys. And BoS in fallout 3 were shooting at ghouls from underworld so let's not pretend they're saints.
BoS were always jerks in old games. They were never meant to be power rangers.
They say the powerplant of the Prydwen was salvaged from Rivet City. Considering Maxon's BOS can't even be bothered to ask politely for food from the settlements of the Commonwealth and rather resorts to threats and violence, I think we all have a very good idea how that powerplant was acquired
@@RTr-nw1fjgods I can only imagine how Threedog must feel come 2287... Man was pretty much Lyons BOS number 1 cheerleader.
The Enclave murders everyone that isn't Enclave. The BoS not only doesn't do that but also recruits people. The BoS also doesn't experiment on people and they aren't trying to advance technology. Those are some huge differences.
I'm surprised you dont see BOS paladins wearing repainted enclave armor since they probably captured a lot of them after FO3
they propably used some of that technology for the prydwen or something
Yeah, kinda weird that after Fallout 2 you see them adopting the Enclave's vertibirds but there hasn't been a single brotherhood soldier using X-01/Advanced Power Armor
I like to think the BOS defeated the Enclave military but Enclave ideology infiltrated the BOS.
Probably did
Meanwhile the Imperium of Man with skulls everywhere...
everyone in that universe are baddies, and the tau, well became the baddies, cuz they we're written in as the neutral good for sometime
When you board the Prydwen, you quickly realise Fallout 4 Brotherhood isn't the Fallout 3 Brotherhood.
It's the Brotherhood Outcasts.
Meanwhile:
Fallout 1 players: Cool, they have airships now
Fallout 2 players: There's more than 1 of these A*holes?
Fallout tactics players: Can you point me to the motor pool, i need a tank.
Fallout 3 players: Are we the badies?
Fallout NV players: So you cowards finally came out of hiding, eh?
Fallout 4 players: So this is the brotherhood of steel?
Fallout shelter players: Oh, I've got that same outfit back home in the vault!
Fallout 76 players: Can i set up camp here?
Fallout 4 BOS is actually lore accurate version of it that we had back in Tactics.
Ad victori- i mean god bless america sir, remember navarro camp old friend
Van Buren players: [william afton screaming in hell]
Helldivers II players: Ha ha ha, look familiar? Scenes like this are happening all across the galaxy, right now. You could be next! That is unless you make the most important descision of your life. Prove to yourself that you have the strength and courage, to be free!
Fallout 4 player:
Meting Dance and the police station: Oh they look cool
Arriving Prytwen: Really Cool
Maxon before ford strong: You can smell them?
Helping get food from the farmers: This feel .... Wrong
Blind betrayal: .... So they are fa...st.....
Your options:
1. Stay for the cool stuff
2. May that ship crash to the ground
2.1 Sabotage of a capitalist robot
2.2 Explosive and stealth
2.3 Tactical artillery strike
Ironically the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4 the game the Fallout equivalent of Space Marines how genocidal and the unquestionable loyalty to their emper.. I mean their Elder that isn't even the High Elder committing genocide towards mutants and "sentient" robots which is weird I don't know why Arthur Maxson's first thought of problem the is Synths them being sentient not the part they are skinwalkers.
Like honestly when I hear him rant he really sounds like a maniac and also how did the most of the Brotherhood have undying loyalty towards him despite his branch very likely has a bunch of wastelanders recruited and are not raised by the Brotherhood by birth, which Brotherhood members not questioning him would be understandable if they are generation raised by them but no like a good chunk of them wastelanders first which does not make sense wastelander would not give a shit about the brotherhood's main goal of preserving technology.
Also really wish Bethesda did not cut a lot of powerful technology shit for the institute like literally the conflict feels really non-existent because the Brotherhood just has so much of a big advantage over the two factions that they are literally ants I mean seriously at this point how do you supposed to beat giant robot that shoots lasers and nukes, the only thing that would counter Liberty prime is heavy duty military missiles which clearly neither side has and logically the two other factions cannot beat the Brotherhood without protag help, which is why in Fallout New Vegas all the factions conflicts are interesting because either side can fuck each other up in different ways instead of having it very one-sided like in Fallout 4 case.
But yeah enough of my rambling!
The institute literally has teleporting synths.
@@hengineer radscorpions and mole rats have more powerful teleporting technology than the institute
Lyon's Pride > Every Knight or Paladin of Fallout 4
soyjak
@@sigmaswank7288to quoth the raven, 'Bruh'
@@sigmaswank7288 ironically enough, mason looks like one
Danse was cool
*Meanwhile Fawkes just chilling with knights*
I miss Fawkes, he was my buddy :(
If that Knight ever said that about Lyons to me, I would’ve just said fuck it and introduce them the sun
One step ahead of ya bud
Same here, gonna do that on my next play-through :)
This is why I go Minute Men
I mean if you pay attention in F03 it is stated the BoS has always hated ghouls. If you go to "The Underworld" Willow who is the outside guard does say "If we get to close the BoS shoots at us yet so long as we stay here they leave us alone". The BoS has never liked Ghouls even under Lyons.
In short Ghouls are mutants and in time turn feral. BoS are to prevent misuse of tech and ensure future for mankind...
I mean, between the Zeppelin and some of the uniforms, all they're really missing is the red banners and armbands...
The Nazis never used blimps, and their uniforms aren't even similar.
Maybe the BOS needs a bit of rebranding… mainly so they get the banner part
@@MinuteManAlex So TBH I've kinda had a theory of where Bethesda intends to take this version of the Brotherhood: I think Maxon is a Synth built by the Enclave. Fallout 3 confirms that both synths AND the Enclave were active in the DC area, so it makes sense that the Enclave would get their hands on one sooner or later. This'd also explain why the BoS has undergone this MASSIVE shift in ideology and doctrine under his leadership. Less focused on isolationism and more around 'purifying' the Commonwealth. It'd also explain why the Enclave never hit the Citadel despite possessing the capability - they had their little sleeper agent embedded in their ranks.
This is worth bringing-up because they're copying it from the MCU where Hydra infiltrates SHIELD. They even have the airships and ties to a f----t movement...
@@doubledouble4g379 It makes sense. Could actually be true
The BoS are the biggest jerks, but they have the best toys...
Minutemen have the best toys - you can dekulakize every settler and make them work for food in your "Happy Labor Camp" until they build a gun large enough to take down everything BOS throws at them.
Are they really? Most wastelanders don't like mutants, ghouls or synths. They rightly fear them. Y'all think about things in the short term. Imagine if there's a society where 50% are ghouls, 50% are human. In 200 years that number of humans may go up but during that time how many of those ghouls will become feral and kill many of the humans? How long do you think that society will last? Who do you think will win?
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цThe NCR is already a developed Nation and even they had a difficult time with the much smaller West Coast Brotherhood. There's no chance of anyone defeating the combined East Coast chapter. The Minutemen are not a government, they're a bunch of farmers with no military training or experience. The BOS is a militaristic faction that's existed since the Great War.
Why do you think people like the enclave?
@@PaladinThizzwell I gave farmers military equipment… and artillery… and the power of the sun…
Well done. Green tint and all.
This is why I have zero trust in Warhammer fans
Mood
When you realize you could have totally changed the brotherhood in 4 if you could kill young Maxson when you meet him at the Citadel in 3. He's basically Hitler, except instead of getting rejected from art school, he got rejected by Sarah Lyons.
He's nothing like Hitler.
@@dutchpatriot17 he's exactly like Hitler bro 😂
@@dutchpatriot17 Yeah, Hitler had more than one air ship. This Maxson kid is amateur hour
@@NaatClark They're nothing alike even without airships.
What puts me off about the Brotherhood is there prejudice against ghouls, which are basically just badly burned humans.
You must not know about lore accurate gouls.
They are functionaly walking corpses.
Making the big factions crumble as the tiny little Railroad is great fun. Oh, hubris, your name is Maxson. 😅
Well Bethesda like to hint at Brotherhood becoming Enclave in more way than one.
But given that eastern Supermutants are FAR less friendly than Master’s one, ghouls are ticking time bombs and 99.9% of synths are either malicious or infiltrators (oftentimes both), I’d say their attitude can be understood.
At least they are willing to tolerate synths, mutants and ghouls who a fellow member vouched for.
When the Brotherhood of Steel became so powerful to the point nobody can fight them back that will be the beginning of the corruption to their own faction since their actions will no longer have any consequences.
Edit: A small spoiler
I am hinting on The Fallout TV show
I'd say tolerate is a bit too far, they are willing to not shoot them
Their also all genetic dead ends, none of them can reproduce. Two even require regular humans to create.
Enclave are literally everything the BoS has always been against, never has it been hinted that they’re breaking the rules they themselves set up.
The reason people hate the BoS is because they’re too dedicated to their ideals, not because they’ve strayed.
They’ve always had the “we know better than everyone else” mentality.
@@DOPSTARZzz the BOS are always show up against something worse than them, However the BOS on Fallout 3 are actually doing a good job but unfortunately they been viewed as a rogue team by other BOS elders out side of the Capital Wasteland.
If theres one thing weve learned in our 1000 miles of retreat is that Commonwealth agriculture is in dire need of mechanization...
I'm sorry for your Wife, who I assumed was named Nate.
Our Caps ? What, do we have too many lol.
If you don’t think they’re bad, remember the quarter master sends you on a mission to collect “tribute” from settlements and tells you to use force if you have to.
It’s called ‘taxation’-so what is your point?
You can pay tax to some more or less civilised military faction (such as BoS or Minutemen) and remain protected; or you can be killed by raiders/mutants/robots/whatever and lose everything for nothing.
By the way, if don’t know Minutemen are literally fascist paramilitary organisation found in 1960s by Robert DePugh, it was pursued by U.S. government and disbanded after all.
Speaking of colonists, well, they killed and rob Native Americans-so is it any better?
LOL
@@vosmbzCool! However, another settlement needs your help.
@@tiandi5585 on my way!
@@vosmbz No. Taxation without representation is LITERALLY the entire impetus for the US being founded. Minutemen's namesake is in reference to colonial times. Not some group of idiots from the 60's who also referenced the colonists. Minutemen didn't demand any supplies from settlers. They offered help, and we can assume asked for help when one of their settlements were under attack. That is different than "take their food by any means necessary".
Your take is hot garbage, and likely so are your real life politics. I support your ability to VOTE, regardless of your IQ. Because that, along with no taxation without representation, are important keystones of the US.
@@vosmbz I think the term you are looking for is not "taxation" but "protection racket".
As a guy who started the series with 3, and really loved the DC brotherhood, it actually hurt a bit to see what they'd become in F4, a big reason why I never join them, and instead usually go minutemen.
I'd go Railroad, but that route means Glory has to die, and I refuse.
No, same here. I was so excited to join them all again, especially after my friend told me that Dr. Li was in the game (didn't know that she was in the institute at the time), only to have my heart shattered and remember that the BoS in 3 were outcasts
@@anniethefallen2326 The fact that the have to force Dr Li to fix Liberty Prime, again, shows how little they've actually learnt and developed.
I am curious how Maxson went down this path, since the player from Vault 101 surely would have been working with ghouls and supermutants during the run.
Must have been the ending where he either didn't activate the water purifier, or something.
Yeah, cause the gane forces you to do so.
I subscribe to the theory that I saw recently. Sara Lyons was replaced with a synth and since he used to have a massive crush on her he used the anger and rage about it and turned it on synths and later everything not human. Basically a downward spiral
Some versions of the theory say he had her killed then covered it up saying she fell in battle hence Dance's line of Maxson sending others to do his dirty work when you confront him after the synth reveal
@@craigunshallach4951 Broken Steel allows you to send in a radiation immune companion, but canonically the Lone Wanderer is the one to activate Project Purity.
I reckon they just made the bad ending of broken steel cannonical, as they say Sarah Fell in battle, which only happens in that fight once you get back to the citadel after hitting it with an orbital strike, and would perfectly explain why they were so distrusting and rude to outsiders afterwards
and would actively hate and mock lyons for letting the lone wanderer in, and trusting him
with maybe the survivors regrouping with the outcasts to regroup, hence their additudes and disrespect towards everyone we helped along the way, as they apparently take out underworld and rob rivet city of its reactor to power the blimp full of dicks
which still doesnt explain the new elder somehow aging from being an 8 year old kid in fallout 3, to like a 35 year old in fallout 4 in less than a decade however, and bringing the entire brotherhood to the new wasteland unless you rig him up to be a synth working for the institute, which could work given what's found to still be in the harbor in the mission Here There Be Monsters and if you were told to use it against them in the institute storyline
and how stupid it is to put everyone on the hindenberg like that instead of just landing the stupid thing and building a mobile base from its parts literally within spitting distance of that damn thing
like your telling me no one at the institute, the very same institute that invented radar in real life, would have put a sonar beacon in the water at some point to see what's out there?
@@blackheart_1852No she fell in battle and he was under her care until then. This is dumb to portray him as some mustache twirling villain because some perfect saint was killed. There were elders who came after her and they were inaffective. Maxson had to prove himself. He saved his squad from raiders, took down a deathclaw and defeated the leader of super mutants. He wasn't just sitting around killing his own people. He cared about BOS so he wouldn't just weaken it. He was the one to unite the outcasts and make the BOS stronger. Plus the west coast backed him and elected him elder. People just want some goodie two shoes faction to be BOS. They were never that type of faction. Go join the minutemen.
BOS under Maxson haven't abandoned Lyons ideas, instead they have combined them with original ideas. This is where Lyons failed and Mason succeeded.
Why BOS don't have good memories of Lyons is because he put wastelanders first and sent many of his men to die in DC to protect them. They were constantly losing friends and family. After Owyn and Sarah die the elders that came after were weak so no good memories. Arthur Maxson brings them back to glory so that's what they are happy to seem. Also members who were outcasts already hated Lyons, so this makes complete sense.
In GTA IV and Lost & Damned DLC you see Billy was President of the chapter and an asshole. You play as Johnny the vice president who takes over as President but the club has to be burnt down. By the time of GTA I Lost MC members say Johnny wasn't a good President and how they miss the days of Billy. This is because when Billy was alive, they had the club and things seemed great for them.
Lyons BOS was struggling and they held their base in the pentagram. They protected scientists at project purity but with James leaving they abandoned it so Dr Li and the others went to Rivet city. Lyons was more about protecting the people even at the cost of his men dying in battle for years. This is why you see initiates in power armour as he has lost man power. Part of that manpower are outcasts. He has to rely on new recruits and members are obviously not going to see that as a good memory. One scribe talks about how horrible deaths in DC for the BOS have been as she had to examine the bodies. You will find dead BOS initiates in power armour in DC as well. There was one wasting ammo who you see. She gets killed by the Behemoth. These were not good times for the BoS. The lone wanderer is who helped them turn the tide.
So Arthur didn't destroy the BOS as you claim but saved it. That's why he is loved not only in the east but the west but Mason is against the cult. He doesn't want to be worshipped as a god. Many people who came from Fallout 3, misunderstood the BOS.
It's insane that they set up that the fallout 4 brotherhood is a mixture of Lyons and traditionalist ideas, but in-game, they're just traditionalists who hate Lyons.
Didn’t they hate non humans in FO3?
Yes
I wanna download an audience laugh track to add to fallout now
Hopefully in Fallout 5 you can join The Enclave, then we can finally be the heroes of Wasteland.
I also kinda wanna see the minutemen and their goofy hats again too, but that’s just me.
Are we thae baddies got me rolling 🤣
The Fallout 3 BoS didn't like ghouls either. The guard outside of Underworld mentions that they shoot ghouls on-site.
"East coast BOS became the New Enclave."
Like what? They always hated mutants. Lyons wanted to wipe all the super mutants in DC.The Enclave was just the bigger threat and had access to a lot of technology. Heck FO4 brotherhood still have lots of Lyons influence still. Actively protecting local human population and recruiting outside the Brotherhood
Protect huh....
Is that what you call it?
Also collecting 'tribute' with force if necessary. Those are missions that you're sent by the quarter master by the way
Tgere's anothee word for that, a word the romans liked to use when expanding their borders
@meideval That's still protecting. If anything, that's still more evidence of the BOS and the Enclave because, like the former US government tax collecting is what major powers do
@meideval Yes, they are protecting the human population. Never said they were the good guys. And i like how you point out Rome being the prime example, but please tell me what major empire in history did not expand and conquer or tax its people
@@meideval Yeah, and you know what happens if you don't do those missions? Genuinely nothing.
By comparison, you also see their patrols of knights wandering around killing mutants and abominations, PROTECTING the local human population.
I think people misunderstood the BOS in Fallout 4. Everyone says they hate synths, ghouls, and mutants because they are "different", when that isn't the reason at all. They hate them due to the fact all of them can easily become an unprovoked threat. They put the wellbeing of humanity above all else, which is the reason they destroy the intitute instead of taking the tech for themselves. They don't want anyone to learn how to make synths seeing how dangerous they are.
Hitler used to say the same thing about every minority
He was kinda right tho
@@mateusnogueira7340 the difference is that ghouls, mutants, and synths are actually threats. It's like saying it would be bad to discriminate a zombie, no, it's not, it's a mindless killing machine. Ghouls can go feral out of nowhere (which Hancock tells the player is the reason Diamond City barred ghouls), and synths can either be reprogrammed or malfunction (as with the Broken Mask case). Neither is human, it's like saying it's bad to discriminate against an animal, or a cellphone. Do you guys even bother with the lore of the game, or do you just think "discrimination=bad" regardless of the circumstances?
Also, I doubt Hitler said Jews can randomly turn into mindless killer machines.
@lonewolf0712 That's the problem ngl. Fans just assume "Not diverse and giving second chances!?! Evil racist killers!"
It'll only get worse with the new ones coming in. I don't wanna gate keep, but I know that the brother hood is gonna get flack for doing what every other human would do.
@@lonewolf0712 If you put it like that all humans are a threats cuz they do as bad as this abominations in Fallout and can lose their mind at any point cuz of the harsh conditions. Ghouls can live cool if taking their meds, shut down synths by the institute are just people with machine inside them and some mutants are fine even tho i really dont care about them.
They're not mindless killing machines wtf you talking about, some of the best characters are ghouls, and some mutants are smart asf. And you want to tell me Nick is a mindless killing machine??? Danse?? I get the hate and extermination of all ferals, institute synths and most super mutants who are evil assholes, but besides that is all a metaphor to real life fascism
Dont dude, you understood what i said, Hitler used to call all jews a threat to the progress of the human race. Nobody said nothing about jews being killing machines, at this point you're just tripping or playing dumb
Every time Bethesda tries to do the BoS, they fail at it.
That said, the BoS always viewed ghouls as abominations, even the FO3 failed take.
The minutemen is the only good choice. Fuck the railroad too.
Minutemen are the cringe choice.
@bdleo300 nope that's railroad and brotherhood of overrated
Aye, us minutemen and our funny hats are the only option
Hear hear!
Sorry but whoever gives me power armour gains my loyalty
Newsflash: There are no good guys in Fallout, or even the real world. There are only less-bad guys.
Personally I think the minute men are the least bad.
@@w1ndgeneral226 Least bad, but most annoying.
@@60sSam
They got your back.
@60sSam
The most annoying in my opinion would be that random death claw when it pops out of nowhere and you've wasted most of your stuff on the last fight.
@@60sSam but they will be fine under Emperor Nate of the Commonwealth.
They shoot at sane ghouls in Fallout 3. They mention this in Underworld
The BoS in Fallout 4 is just the Dollar Store version of the Enclave
I think them having a functioning liberty prime makes them a little more dangerous than the enclave at that point especially since maxson is only like 20 years old canonically i think they’ll be alot stronger in fallout 5
@@hugo9927 or weaker, or exactly the same. Probably won't be gone completely, but you never know 🤔
I.e.
In Fallout 1, they are a single chapter about on par with a vault numbers wise, and the only thing that puts them ahead is technical skill, power armour, and acess to big guns & ammo
In fallout 2, they are in decline and there's only 3 of them in the whole game, none of them have power armor, they still have nice guns but that's hardly a trate unique to them.
In the next game, fallout tactics, things have changed again, now they've grown to be as state sized militia, they have airships, operate vehicles, tanks, heavy equipment, control multiple bunkers, a vault, and take over the whole of illinois.
in fallout 3, they're back down to a single chapter of a few hundred people and maintain a loose control over the region
In fallout new vegas, things are even worse as they've gone into hiding as a minor faction
And in Fallout 4, they're back to mounting city scale invasions.
What I'm trying to say is that they're fairly inconsistent.
Enclave tries to wipe everyone out while the Brotherhood doesn't. Not even close.
@laylaplayerone7701Clearly he has given he’s right.
@laylaplayerone7701that’s literally how they operate, dummy. lol someone clearly just wants to argue
I turned on the BOS after I realized they wanted me to steal or intimate my settlements into supplying food and water for the whole BOS. I was like the hell with you. Do you have any idea what I had to do to get this settlement to produce food and water and have settlers? Preston might be annoying, but I love being the General of the Minutemem. I'm one of the few who fell in love with both the story of fallout 4 and the bases building. I'm on my third run, hoping it will be my second to finish and my first with the dlc.
I always laugh when Danse invites me to join the Brotherhood and says, "Do you want to spend the rest of your days fighting for a meagre reward?" And I'm thinking, "Instead of becoming the de facto ruler of the Commonwealth? Let me think about it."
@UteChewb I took Danse with me to take the Castle this time around. I actually got a dislike out of him when Randy's Shaw showed up and I put 6 mortars on the Castle. -shrugs- I want to have the option of blowing the BOS out of the sky, like all normal citizens of the commonwealth.
@@darcichambers6184 excellent thinking. I always max out the build limit with defenses, because you never know. 🤣
Relatable. I snapped when they I first talked to Maxson. I still regret killing Ingram, Danse, and the child solders in self defense
@MinuteManAlex Last time, I went the most peaceful route and welcomed the extra man power for dealing with supper mutants. For me, that is basically the only reason to keep the BOS around. I've moded my minutemen, and I'm so proud to see the patrols now with full power armor as well as heavy armored troopers. They are much more effective on this run. It's possible I will come to the conclusion that I don't need the BOS this time. But that will have to wait till I've dealt with the institute.
With all the talk of hating ghouls and taking out super mutants, Maxon, Are we the Enclave?
Yes… we are
Nah, the Brotherhood is the good guys. You can't change mind.
I’d like to point out that the brotherhood don’t really have the commonwealth’s best interest in mind. They’re realistically doing what they do for themselves, under the guise that they know what’s best for the commonwealth. I like the minutemen better because they’re far less preachy and are just trying to help.
Ghouls are literally ticking time bombs, one second they’re shaking your hand the next they’re eating it
It's they're and it takes a lot more time than just one second. Feralization is quite obvious, you have plenty time to kill the ghoul before they completely turn, this isn't the Walking Dead or Left 4 Dead.
Tenpenny Tower. Never forget.
@@scottthejatt Actually it is, when they start turning it's fast and sudden
Yep. Same with mutants and synths. People give the BOS hate because they hate things that are genuinely a threat to humanity. So what if they are all part of the same group? It's not the same as hating a race since ghouls and mutants aren't there own race. It's like saying it's racist to hate zombies since you are hating them due to them belonging to the same group.
@lonewolf0712 Non-Feral ghouls are in no way threats to humans normally. Synths are not threats to humans any more than humans are threats to humans, the institute is a threat to humans. You hold the idea that ghouls and synths are any different than humans when it comes to being a threat to humans, which is wrong. The institute is the threat, not the synths.
"So if you're trying to not look like the bad guys, good job!"
I wish the minuteman weren't so lame
I mean, you're the general, so it's kinda up to you how lame they really are
@@the_marverak mission wise its not like the other 3 factions at all
@@the_marverak No it isn't nothing you do has any effect on them always using Pipe weapons and looking like hobos
@tylerellis9097 Well they ARE a militia. The minutemen arent the BOS dude
That's why I chose the Institute. Institute + Minutemen = Bright Future for Mankind and not so bright for the muties upstairs.
You know sheep: a bit wooly? IT’S WOOL!
Bethesda didn't even bother having a splinter of the Brotherhood that followed Lyons' ways, no gotta kill anyone who wants to desert because we want to force people to like Maxson...
Maxson is an arrogant sack of shit that lets his soldiers do whatever they want without consequences... It's not like some of us liked Lyons or anything right? No apparently we don't exist, thanks Emil... 😠
Yeah, I was super bummed there wasn't a thread you could follow where you help an internal faction that was loyal to Lyons, thus transforming the BoS for those of us that liked the FO3 version. It really isn't that much to ask to allow the player the agency to somewhat affect the faction they join. After all, we are far more than a bit player in any faction by the end. It's frustrating to no end that we can't impact the game on that level.
yeah, not like Maxson was raised by Elder Lyons and even had a crush on the daughter...
then again if you look at the main storyline in FO4, it's like they didnt even bother writing sth coherent for the game
@@ChemySh That's the reason why i can't stand Maxson. It's like he just stopped giving a shit about the people that raised him. And he's letting his soldiers insult their legacy "hurr durr, Lyons was a shitty elder"
If he still cared about Lyons, he would have mandated "Do not insult the people who raised me"
@@tjhedgescout3052 I have mixed feelings on Lyon slander being allowed tbh. On one hand, I dont like it for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, there were periods in commie China history when they flip flop between which historical figures to worship/slander
@@ChemySh It's just... Some people became a fan of Lyons, and to have 4 shit on him is a good way to drive us Lyons supporters away from the Brotherhood...
It's also why CSEP was created, a new type of outcasts that favor Lyons.
Now the American army has adopted the skulls and lightning emblems into their army.
They always were like that since first fallout they were sending volunteers to the death pit
But then let you in when you succeed, help defeat the master and then share their tech with the wasteland in the ending.
@@tylerellis9097 they didn't share it, they used it for trade
@@scatman8963 Rewatch the ending they share it freely to help the wasteland rebuild.
Freemasons also use a variation of the totenkopf. Gotta wonder if some of them ask themselves that same question.
Very accurate for me… I miss lyons brotherhood 😢ever since new Vegas when I met the brotherhood there made me hate them & only like f3 brotherhood
Same, while Lyons Brotherhood went rogue and strayed from the BoS ideals. I actually prefered lyons Brotherhood the most!
God, i miss lyons Brotherhood. Cant believe they just killed Sarah lyons off like that too. 😢😢
Fnv wasnt a change for the bos. Thats how they always were. Fo3 is the one that got them wrong
@@dontfrythis2458 to be fair fallout 3 was my first fallout game so I was going in blind with no knowledge of it’s continuity. If it wasn’t for fallout 3 I wouldn’t be a fallout fan
I played Fallout 4 first, got to Fallout 3 and met BOS in some library and was amazed how polite they were to me.
I haven’t seen enough of them to really make any judgement.
Still surprised how polite they were.
Meanwhile on most fallout 4 videos, guys the BoS are the good guys and are best for the commonwealth.
Gamer bros love their fascist military LARPing
Well, the other option is the railroad... or the Institute, which seems to just use the commonwealth as an experiment. At least the BoS is trying to rid the commonwealth of the institute and the supermutants. While they dislike non feral ghouls, they dont just outright engage them. They're basically the best option of the 3. Minuetmen is better overall, but they'll actually work with the BoS regardless.
I see a lot of BoS fans mention a Minutemen and BOS alliance. I disagree this would be canon for a few reasons. The Minutemen are in part made up of local farmers. The BoS quest "feeding the troops" has you "convince" local farmers to hand over 50% of crops. If you can't "convince," you kill the farmers as acceptable losses. Even if they are "convinced" most will make a comment about how they know they don't really have a choice. I think Preston isn't the biggest fan of them either, but they will tolerate it so the game can proceed. The minutemen like Strudges are made up of synths, which is unacceptable by the BoS, you'll have to kill your own if they find out. Like Warhammer 40K, the point of Fallout is about disagreement and constant war. Although you could convince certain factions to back off from one another. It defeats the point of the actual franchise from a Connon perspective. Even the BoS are a mess, they are in every Fallout game, but notice how they always have factions go off and do their own things or take power from those within their own ranks. Fallout 3 and 4 and New Vegas, this is the case. (Fallout Tactics too) In other words, ~10 years the BoS would be doomed to fail if that trend continues.
I've never liked the BoS. They're bigots and murderers. They started that way. They were never about protecting people or making things better, just making sure humans, inevitably, come to their bitter end in another Fallout. The Institute is no different. Human scientists thinking that making people synths will make the world better with them controlling them and reaping the rewards of that until, in the end, inevitably, they create another Fallout. The Railroad are the same as The Institute, they just don't know it; or they do and don't care and inevitably, they too, will cause a Fallout, and the Minutemen are the worst of them all: they are just regular people who save themselves and not the world and, inevitably, are the true cause of all Fallouts.
There are no good guys. There are the rare innocent people, typically children, and then everyone else.
Look at your character in this game? No matter the moral choices you make, inevitably you will kill hundreds, if not thousands, of people etc.,
I have a game going right now: xp level 33, 32 hrs in, and it states under stats I've already murdered two people. Who? No idea. There are no good guys in this game: everyone is a bad guy.
@@juliagoetia Oh look at that, an SJW that doesn't know what fascism actually is.
well to be fair my best friend is Strong the super mutant. Ghouls are fun and food
If you help ghouls move into Tenpenny Tower in FO3 they slaughter all the humans so only someone with notable mental deficiencies would think a group opposed to such integration was bad. Especially considering in the games that feralness seems completely random.
I disagree. To be fair, there are factors that can cause ferals. Such as exposure to way too much radiation, and Isolation. And those ghouls don’t nessarily represent all ghouls.
@@MinuteManAlex To be fair, there have been ghouls like Captain Zao and Oswald Oppenheimer that didn't go feral, while all the other ghouls with them did. The Marked Men remain sane despite living in an irradiated sandstorm. So, there is no guarantee any one thing or combo of things will cause feralness and so no guarantee avoiding those things will prevent feralness. The people of Diamond City were willing to evict the ghouls after one went feral. The ghouls that took over Tenpenny weren't even feral. So, not only can they decide they just don't like humans but they can also just randomly go feral and attack humans but not ghouls.
You could be talking to Bob and he suddenly has a stroke or a seizure then starts gnawing on your face. Or you tell Bob, "Good night," and wake up to him gnawing on your ass jerky.
@@johnmathews2030 I think it’s possible that there could be a genetic factor. For example, the Croup Family, aside from one Croup, in FO4 we’re all ferals as soon as the bombs dropped
love mitchell and webb lol
“Are we the baddies?” is a sign you probably should pick a different bed that isn’t possibly the same bed as the one you’re currently sleeping in.
The lone wanderer will kill them all once he catches up to take back prime and avenge tge murder of the Lyons.
You guys really ignored the brotherhood hanging around outside the underworld in F3, huh?
Fallout 3 players thought the BOS were power rangers.
I remember when New Vegas first came out and people also complained about BOS in NV.
Brotherhood forever.
-No synths
-No synths enthusiasts
-No Super mutants
Racism ✓
No, we're not. God forbid a player has to use their heads and realise they Brotherhood is morally grey. But it's a light grey, they do vastly more good than bad.
Dude, they're literally techno-fascists.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8ц The only "good" faction is the Minutemen.
Institute is cartoonishly evil and uses slavery and shape-shifters to sow chaos. Railroad helps programmable machines to replace humanity. BoS is needlessly dictatorial. I still joined them as they were the lesser evil.
Minutemen, sadly, are the General and that's it.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цthey aren't even close to being fascist. Do you see them trying to conquer the Commonwealth? Do you see them mindlessly attacking settlements and subjecting them to do their biding? No? Well then, they aren't fascists. They literally only attack threats to themselves.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8цThey kill nun humans. They don't bother others besides maybe trading with farmers. And they blew up a large technology reap instead of taking it all because they put the safety of humans first.
@@КонстантинМатвеев-д8ц minuses?
I mean... Hancock is a freak, but not because he's a Ghoul. Because a Mayor, who is also a gangster.
Well given that the BoS in 4 is genocidal against synths and most likely non-feral ghouls and peaceful super mutants, I would have to say "yes".
It really is sad since in 3 they were the heroes who brought down the Enclave, now they have become almost as genocidal as they were, only slightly less so since they have a slightly more liberal idea of who counts as "human".
*Edit*
All these years later and I still find it disturbing how easily people can defend an organization that seeks to commit genocide against sentient beings even if they have done nothing wrong. Says something about Brotherhood propaganda that they can even indoctrinate people in the real world.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
@@totalcrank How awesome is that we are still throwing around lines from a 16 year old movie? In any event, that quote is very appropriate
So they are the bad guys to everyone that isn’t human.
Sounds like the good guys to me
@@GamingTalk-cl7xjnot quite. Theyre bad to anyone that isnt Brotherhood. That just means sometimes theyre the lesser evil. Only slightly above raiders. They operate the same tho, squeezing farmers and stealing their stuff. Submit or be crushed
@@TheGanjologist I argue in the wasteland there is only lesser evils. But end of day they put themselves in harms way to make the area safer for the average person.
I kind of love how the gameplay and story come together when it comes to siding with the Brotherhood in FO4. Its kind of like the argument for the Legion in New Vegas. People under the legion say they ain't nice but they keep the roads safe to travel. You don't really see that in the gameplay. In FO4, sure they may be fascists, but my god is it a relief to see a Vertibird drop a guy in power armour right on top of the raider camp in your way. I find myself naturally coming to the legion conclusion with the Brotherhood, and honestly its one of the best exaples of the gameplay and story syncing up I've seen in gaming
Nah I’ve tried but I can’t get past Caesars whole slavery and mostly for women thing. Big nah they catching 40mm grenades to the face every time. And Caesar’s apprentices are dicks never forgot the Nipton Lottery
The BOS is nowhere near being fascists. For starters they don't try to impose any form of authority over the people of the Commonwealth. They let the people live their lives, so long as they don't attack the BOS. The closest they get is asking you to "recruit" settlements, which can be done by paying them to align with the BOS. Not to mention only you are asked to do it, so it's not a priority of the faction. Secondly, the things they want to destroy are actual threats. Synths can be nice, but they can be reprogrammed or malfunction to start killing people. Ghouls can be nice, but they can go feral. Super mutants can be nice, but they can also regress to be killing machines. Everything they despise can be a threat, and most likely will be a threat. Thirdly, their only real mission to to collect tech, and to destroy threats. Nothing about them would align with fascism.
The moment that made me want to join the Brotherhood was when I was heading to a quest location, and saw Brotherhood knights fighting Supermutants that I would have needed to kill. Having these guys in the game, and on my side, makes my job easier.
@@chadnorris8257 I'm a big BOS fan and I often just walk with a patrol of knights, pretending we're all in the same squad. I really wish we could actually recruit knights and paladins and just go patrol the wasteland together. I think it would make sense to be able to order BOS guys around too, seeing how the player becomes sentinel at the end.
@@wolfbrigade8042 It would be nice being able to order patrols once we get to Paladin rank. There's so much more that could have been done with the game, that they didn't do. I like the gameplay, and the world, but the story and factions are a weak point. The settlement building could have used work too.
Funnily enough I bought the game because I heard the factions were interesting, and that there was settlement building. Neither of which turned out as good as I hoped, but I still like the gameplay, the perks, and the world.
This meme makes way more sense with helldivers
Too many Synth Simps around. Join the Railroad, who’d sacrifice a dozen humans and ghouls if it meant helping a single Synth run from the Institute.
slavery is evil. they were slaves. they deserve to be free.
By sacrificing everyone else? No, thank you@@jingthethief
@@benz505 you dont need to sacrifice everybody else. not all synths are evil. and if you believe they are all evil, you have taken too much of the BOS koolaid.
In fairness, every railroad member who dies saving synths knew the stakes. Yes, with their resources they could probably help a lot more people if they ignored the institute and targeted raiders or something. But the synths have nobody else.
@@jingthethief They are machines whose memories can be wiped out in a moment. Railroad even does it a lot. You can argue they're killing the Synths to help Synths.
Institute was dumb for creating Synths in the first place (for ethical and practical reasons), but Railroad is even dumber. First created the biggest threat to Mankind, second works to spread it further. Synths will replace all humanity if given time.
Let's look at Dima. He replaced key humans with synths, killing the originals, then he pacified his conscience by removing the memories and storing them away to feel better. Shows you that synths can and will turn on humanity on a moment's notice.
Are we the baddies?
No. They are not the baddies.
This is why you chose the faction with the nicest looking armor not the nicest morals
I mean, they're all correct ghouls, super mutants, and syths are all abominations and should be destroyed.
Fallout 3 in my opinion had the only truly good elder.elder lyons was truly a good guy deep down and actually tried to save people and keep order in a non dictator way.in both fallout 4 and new Vegas even though I loved those games the brotherhood was to stuck in old ideals and not open to accepting people wich made them bad i think.
imagine playing the railroad. the MOST evil faction in Fallout.
How so? I never finished fallout 4 so I wonder what I'm missing.
@@proxyone5019 Railroad replaced humans with synths and shifted blame to the Institute, who were only there to reclaim the missing property. Everyone thinks "Institute kidnaps people".
The railroad are just idiots. They put the lives of literal machines above that of humans. It's like giving your life for a toaster or a cell phone.
Absolutely. They value machines over humans and couldn't care less about the consequences of their actions. A synth managed to become a raider boss thanks to them.
@@tehrulefoo exactly. Machines can't act with morals or emotions.
Yes, you'll be canceled if you wear something with a skull badge on it in Cyrodil.
No,
Ad Victoriam!
Ad victoriam, brother.
But what about the synth's rights?
God Bless the Enclave!
Ad victorium
Everyone saying "But they shoot at non-feral ghouls in FO3!!!1!1" Did none of y'all help the ghouls move in to Tenpenny tower?
The BOS looks at the bigger picture. Ghouls eventually become feral, whether in 200 years or 2 years, they will become feral and you have no idea when that may happen. It could happen while you're traveling with them and you can be asleep. Their flesh falls off and they smell like a corpse. They are extremely fast and strong and difficult to kill. You would not, realistically, hang out with them if you wouldn't even hang out with people with poor hygiene. Synths are machines, technology often degrades with time. They have the capability to bring the human race to extinction. The "friendly" mutants once we're part of an army that sought to bring the human race to extinction. Since they are sentient they can change their minds at any time and go back to killing. If you lived in that world you wouldn't like them either. If you wouldn't even approach a raccoon because of their potential to be dangerous you wouldn't approach a mutant or a ghoul.
You’ve made me realize that we’re arguing in real life just like these factions in game about the same things… wow
The BoS may not be the good guys but at least they are the lesser evil compared to the other faction in fallout universe, thats why i tolerate them more than others
Always has been
Ben shapiro did that last year, he was being racist and transphobic and said "sometimes i wonder if im the bad guy"
true... ghoul, synth and mutant are freaks
you really believe that crap?
@@jingthethiefI mean they are lol.
@@tylerellis9097 no they are not. stop being a bigot.
@@jingthethief They are literal zombies you goof they are freaks by the definition there is nothing bigoted about it. That’s like saying calling a decaying corpse gross is bigotry.
They are people yes and should be treated as such but they are abominations wrought from the Great War and Radiation.
@@jingthethief sympathy for ghouls is sympathy for communism