Dressage Disaster: Catastrophic Crash For Carrie Schopf In The Grand Prix Dressage Ring
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- When the helmet rule came into effect for FEI Dressage riders a few years ago the argument was that none of these elite riders ever fall off at horse shows. Here we are in 2023 and we have two FEI riders come crashing off twice in one week.
Someone needs to coin the marketing slogan "Helmets, For when you can't fix bad horsemanship."
Dressage riders have jacked up and trigger-stacked the FEI dressage horses so much that they are literally no longer capable of being a harmonious or even submissive partner in the dressage ring.
The inception of bigger thigh rolls allows riders to be capable of riding higher levels of dressage than they are physically capable of. Riders are over horsed and it is not a good look for dressage.
Carrie Schopf is 65 years old and probably as invincible as the young rider we saw crash in yesterday's video. But at what point do we hold the team around these riders accountable for their safety. There is a coach, trainer, groom or someone along the line that probably could have said this horse is a bit hot today. Or is it because there was a trigger-stacked warm-up that set the horse up for failure.
Yesterday's crash: • Video
These crashes are not just a dressage disaster for each of these riders it is a complete disaster for the sport. As it continues in the direction that I have been talking about over the past few years. My videos garner a lot of hate but I am not wrong.
Dressage has evolved and so have the disasters. It is time to bring back safety and animal welfare into the sport before we lose it forever.
Steps off soapbox
Notes For Karen: Something did not just happen in that corner. This horse has ridden at this venue for years. It is also a Grand Prix Dressage horse that should be able to fly around the world from venue to venue without any problems. Training is the point of dressage.
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HAHAHAHA. How do you get to that level and can't handle a horse barely cantering unexpectedly? What a joke.
I've been in this exact situation, where my horse just levitated out from under me, took off like a racer, and then swung in and it doesn't matter how good a rider you are, you can't beat physics and centrifugal force taking you off the shoulder.
Horses bolt, run-off. We've all made 'unplanned dismounts' now and then... But it does seem odd that she couldn't stay with the horse through that turn.
I can explain it to you exactly:
Unfortunately, in their monotonous lives, these top-class, valuable sport horses often only see their stable boxes and the riding halls and riding and dressage arenas all over the world, which look almost the same.
They are therefore not used to seeing other everyday things in their surroundings, just like in this case it was probably the running fan in this dressage arena that seems to have frightened the horse.
The organizers probably put this fan there because it was extremely hot there, which the horse is obviously not used to in his country.
Especially with horses that have to experience different conditions in different countries during their sporting career, you should complete some kind of anti-fright training in advance so that even strange situations for the horse can be controlled.
Nevertheless, props to the rider because in this emergency she used the normal bridle reins instead of the curb reins.
@@TheMissshiva78 I think you need to do some more research. There are many of the top horses that go both on hacks and get field time every day. Imhotep and En Vogue live out in the fields.
Let's see you on a horse like this and see how you effortlessly handle it and get it all under control in a few strides.
These antics are provoked by the tension modern dressage techniques create within the horse.
Too often we see horses with tight short necks, exaggerated elevated paces which look jerky and mechanical, no wonder horses explode when they are simmering with tension.
The correctly trained horse that has been carefully and considerately produced and given time to develop becomes increasingly easy to ride.
They don't need double bridles or spurs. Their paces are enhanced by the training and should look effortless smooth and give the impression of ease.
♥ Couldn't agree more. That horse just wanted to let fly. Go, buddy!
EXACTLY! Thank you, on behalf of all dressage horses, for your post. I always thought it so ironic, and hypocritical, that the horses that were supposed to be the best trained required the most severe bits, plus spurs, and a whip, to ride them. Just plain idiotic and against all common sense. And not just tension in the horse, but most likely pain, too, plus a very clear message of "I don't want to do this, STOP IT, humans!!"
I agree. I love watching the Californio style western riding- they REALLY emphasize taking it slow and progressing by listening to the horse. It's truly beautiful, this kind i can't really get into.
Nothing about dressage is natural.
@@sarahsilva5920 You are absolutely correct. Thank you for your comment. Let's keep working to educate people and lessen the abuse of horses.
Found another video here with her riding a St George. That woman doesn't even have independent hands, she is yanking at the horses mouth involuntarily with every step it takes, with the reins extremely short and restricting. Not a miracle that this horse explodes, and more hanging in the face to stop a tense, unhappy horse is just the recipy for more disaster. Another rider thinking the only thing she needs to do to be able to compete at the higher levels is buying a trained horse. That woman needs a reality check.
Sheisstuppet
If this situation is true, then my sympathies are with the horse! Nothing worse than jerking hands caused by tense shoulders and arms. Easily remedied by Sally Swift influenced trainers and riding without stirrup for a year. But, then again, who wants to put the work and effort into becoming a good rider when you can just go buy a trained horse. Too bad, the fun of dressage is the blood sweat and tears of learning to ride, and training the horse. It's the accomplishment that brings the blue ribbon and trophy inside you.
Baloney. She's a good rider. And it's a very good horse too. But they can pick up habits like this. These horses are extremely fit and full of beans.
Also found a different video of her riding Grande Prix and was shocked at her abysmal riding. She can't sit her horse's trot by fully absorbing the up-and-down motion in her hips and midsection, but hits her horse's back straight down with her seat bones every stride. Transitions are muddled and her antics in the saddle for producing piaffe can best be described either as distracting or ghastly-- it's a toss-up.
This horse had just had ENOUGH! Classical dressage masters are turning in their graves. What ever happened to riding as if your reins are silk threads? There is no softness here. There is no joy in the hearts of these horses.(Except this one when free of the rider's restrictions) It is a shame that dressage has become a circus event of fancy movers rather than the delicate communication between two souls it started out to be.
You are absolutely correct, NO JOY in the hearts of these horses, only abuse and torture.
Well put. Totally right!!
Completely agree!!! 😢
“Riders are overhorsed”
I don’t think I could’ve said it any better.. Imo this is the biggest problem in dressage nowadays.
Totally agree with you here . I see it all the time . They should buy a less talented horse and learn how to train it .
It’s the biggest problem is any horse event now. A green rider placed on a tragically trained horse is nothing short of a disaster. Both will catch he!! Back at the barn I’m ashamed it has come to this. Not everyone who sits a horse is a rider with horse husbandry skills some just sit a horse in anger.
The amazing thing is that the poor dressage horse does not appear to know how to leave the arena !!
The horse spooked from the fan. To leave the arena, he would have to pass by the fan again. So from the horse's point of view, he was trapped.
Like a cow or a pig trying to escape .
Where can you go ?
Perhaps the horse is simply enjoying running around free, without spurs and awful bridles and the like. Dressage is cruel.
@@Puzzledrev Dressage in itself is not cruel. Taking shortcuts in training is. As in every discipline.
@@Flugkaninchen the 'gate' has to be open as well, he's not a jumper.
horse said don’t worry, I got this.. proceeds to go across the diagonal, flying change, collected (ish?) trot, canter, pirouette (yes, let’s call it that), perform a majestic buck, canter around the corner into a lovely extended trot, into a half…??? pass collected trot, and goes into extended again! man what a horse
This type of bolt happened to me a few times in my 40+ horsing carrier. You need a trigger and a pissed horse, which is well experienced with restriction to act in a way so the rider has no time to pick the reins. The initial spook that lasts fraction of a second gives the horse enough muscle momentum to leap, twist and run, and continue till the rider is off. This is very different from a horse that spooks from a state of happy mind. If a horse canters on the trail and a bird lifts off in it's path, it may jump aside, stop and look, maybe even buck a little, but will not try to get rid of the rider so purposely and effectively like what we see in this video. I completely agree with the statement of riders being overhorsed. And that these bolts are very dangerous. I had a few of those in my life and it taught me to stop pissing the horse! Acutely or chronically. Will this rider ever learn that too?
Der ist mächtig angepisst, manche von denen holst du aus ihren Boxen total apathisch. Die meisten werden 24Std. weg gesperrt aus Angst vor Verletzungen dürfen sie nicht einmal mit Artgenossen raus ! Von diesen 24 Std werden die meisten gerade mal am Tag 20 min gearbeitet und wieder weg gestellt. Stress ohne Ende durch Traktieren wenn der Gaul nimmer funktioniert. Die meisten von ihnen sind Magen-Patienten oder durch Druck Stress und Traktieren total im Arsch mit gerade mal 10 Jahren. Ein durchschnittliches Turnierpferd wird unter solchen Bedingungen keine 8 Jahre alt. 8 Jahre habe ich in einem Ausbildungsbetrieb mit gearbeitet , ich hatte die beste Ausbildung und den besten Ausbilder. Das hat in meinen Augen nix mehr mit Sport zu tun , nur noch €uro in der Gegend herum fahren. Es geht nur ums Geld in diesen Klassen.
Over trained horses have tried to climb out of rings. They are conscious loving animals who trust. We humans looking for some grade of obedience and showmanship that wears them down rather than listens to their emotional needs. Sad and dangerous wake up call🌸
She could have done the most BASIC of stop maneuvers and then excused herself without falling off. A single rein in one direction, sitting down, not pointing her toes at the ground. She didn't even manage to gather her reins in the matter of the entire LENGTH of the arena. Like....what a joke.
@@thangle13 I don't think that's entirely fair to the rider. I see a rider who's just as surprised as the horse when the horse freaks out or what you wanna call it and then frantically fighting ti get the reins in drops them in panic and already lost her balance due to her surprise over it. I've definitely done this a few times myself just been so utterly surprised in a run off that I forget what to do.
@@thangle13 that being said I'm fairly easy to surprise or scare even when I'm prepared for something like it's the smallest things that get me maybe she's the same and that's why the panic of being on a run off horse got her to struggle with the reins. She definitely looks to be struggling with them I'd say she's just in a panicked brain right in that moment which doesn't really sign a bad rider just a perfectly humane feeling to have in any moment especially under high pressure and stress
You know there is something rotten about dressage when you actually root for the free horse. Unfortunately, there is more torture awaiting for him as the process of learned helplessness has clearly not been completed.
So untrue statement . My horse is out 24 /7 in pasture . He would as u suggest do nothing I imagine but if he does nothing his body gets no exercise so u aren’t doing them any favors . They feel much better when they actually have a little bit of exercise, but there is a no way that dressage tortures a horse . If done correctly it is a soft and give and take relationship w ur horses mind and body .
@@carolannlocks Yeah, but that's not what is happening at the top levels. They start them too early, push them too hard and cram them into frame with hyperflexion and Rollkur all of which the FEI rewards. That's abuse plain and simple.
He showed off his beautiful movement while free, that’s how horses should be ridden, in natural flowing gaits not these stilted showpieces we see now in dressage.
Every sport will have its cheaters and abusers. This channel is a light on the problems that need to be corrected, but is in no way representative of the sport as a whole.
I’ve been involved in Dressage and Eventing for 20 years now and this is NOT the norm.
He had really superb natural impulsion, didn’t he? Just illustrates how bastardized the sport has become.
He was clearly bottled up before he took off. Had he just had enough of something that happened before she came in.
EXACTLY.
There are a lot of problems here, not the least of which is that the horse needs turn out. He had a great time after he dumped the rider.
I don’t agree. He was extremely anxious after losing his rider. He was looking for someone to help him.
Rider could have broken her shoulder or, worse, her neck! Agree with the lead-in comment. We need to take a long hard look at the sport and what we are doing to our animals.
We??? Please ??? Even this words won't change anything or do u think your words of love and justice will change the sport???? Money is what matters within a short time. They are products, "goods" as they dont have time to develop with them create magic with them but sports is Business. Or tell me your plan to how you achieve the goal to change the sports. As guardians of love and justice we always believe that people will see what they really do. But in the end money rules.
She needs more riding without stirrups on schooling horses. That dump was nothing compared to jumper riders and should not happen at that level.
The more I watch dressage the more I am convinced it is not for all horses. Some horses although bred for it don't get it. They never like it. Hey it's like working a job you hate. I know as smart and willing as my Arabian was he would have been a bear in dressage. But put him on a fifty mile competitive trail ride and he was ecstatic. Ears forward tail held high. Well trained and loving every minute of watching feet and looking for arrows. Training a 10 mile 12 mph trot 5 days a week. Out in the woods.
Sorry I digress. My point is the horses who don't like it don't like it..
That was an unhappy horse.
If dressage is done correctly, the horse feels better after exercise!!! It is truly yoga for horses.
@@krisvanroo7131 and some of us don't like yoga. But I will swim forever. We all have our likes. I do agree though, that dressage is a wonderful way to strengthen a horse. If I had been a bit richer I might have tried it out. I got Bongo ready for distance just by riding 10 mile runs every day. But if I had known as much as I do now I would have done things differently. I was lucky because when I got him he was in such good shape all I had to do was keep him fit. Thinking about it you are right Dressage is a lot like yoga.
It was a shitty moment in time. Can you glean from that moment that this is an unhappy horse. I don’t think so.
You should read ‘My Horses, My Teachers’, by Colonel Alois Podhajsky… a director of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna, Austria. He tells of horses that weren’t ’made’ for dressage during his early days of riding.
I had the pleasure and honor of watching him working with his horse during a training session, of the Lipizzaners. He turned his horse loose, and sent him to the wall… the horse turned back and trotted back to him with his head outstretched for the sugar cube he held in his hand. This was also with other stallions working in the same arena around them.
He is one of those who would be horrified to see how horses are trained today.
That was scary, surprised to see she did come off. He took off in a bolt when they weren't even into the arena. Hope horse and rider recovered.
First commenter that shows some compassion.
I've seen countless dressage riders come off horses that moved only slightly different from what those riders expected in dressage. (I worked as a guide for trail rides to the beach for a few years. 8 in 10 falls were those riders that only rode dressage in arenas.) Many never become good riders, have no bond with the animal, only know how to control it with restriction and have terrible balance, they come off from the slightest side leaps.
I don't think riders are "overhorsed", horses are probably over prepared instead. I do think dressage riders ironically just don't ride very well, yes but second training methods mean the horse get's to a point where it's just had enough. Bolting and trying to dislodge the rider is a clear signal of just that, just as napping is. Having grown up in a jumping family, then moved into dressage it's clear to me dressage is all about fear of the horse. Managing the horse to negate that fear in such a way that flight or fight ultimately becomes its only resort to achieving any happiness at all. For one example in warm ups concentrating on making the horse just do one thing most likely it's weakest thing all the time, repeat repeat repeat. Sustaining that posture endlessly not to mention jabbing it with spurs to achieve things like the piaffe is detrimental to both the mental and physical well being of the horse, hardly worth saying but there it is. By the time it get's into the arena bearing in mind this is being done every competition the horse gets to the point that it just either bolts or naps out of stress, flight or fights. Isn't this exactly what we are seeing more and more of? Sustained positions or postures are abusive and horses ultimately let us know by going feral, that or they literally break, lameness that sort of thing. Horses are not machines, sadly unlike us only they seem to know when enough is enough. Everything is stressful for a horse in competition, horses are not made to be ridden, fly in planes, stand around in stalls, endlessly do in dressage what they may only do once or twice fleetingly in a field. Using this fact as a starter we can go a long way to respecting what it is the horse actually needs.
Lots of lies here.
There is no money to be made by taking a horse into training by the slow and carefull methods of the past. Everyone is only interested in quick results and how fast and how high can you go or jump. A horse takes at least twelve years to develop into a truly fully muscled and mentally sound individual, how many people are willing to wait that long.
"The inception of bigger thigh rolls allows riders to be capable of riding higher levels of dressage than they are physically capable of. Riders are over horsed and it is not a good look for dressage."-- Good observation. Good post.
It's so obvious for so many poor dressage horses - they have enough of the torture!!!
If anyone has shown it has happened . I don’t think it’s either one of their faults as this horse is a Grand Prix well trained horse . Sometimes the atmosphere is just too much.. this has happened to me at schooling shows w my Tino however he really didn’t spook. He just basically wanted to run because it was a lot for him to take in.. I stay on for these bolts but my horse always is super strong and excited when competing.
It is a very challenging environment. That horse is a sweetheart. In any discipline, horses can check out. It happens. They come back ..
No judgement I can share as I don’t know the story between this horse and the rider. But I just can’t help wondering what went through the horse’s mind in the moment he started bolting. He seems to be even enjoying his freedoms after the rider went down. Clearly aware of the rider but he just can’t care. This really scares me, as if he is totally conscious about what he is doing. 😢
This horse doesn't like his rider. He doesn't like humans. They have treated him badly.
Voilà un cheval qui ne supporte plus de voir un carré de dressage sur lequel il a été tellement torturé
The poor horse....
I would say that this poor horse has had enough!
And the people that are commenting really obviously don’t know warmbloods and their huge gaits power and especially if they’re Grand Prix, they have ultimate power. Comparing most breeds to these horses, they don’t even have even close to the strength of what these horses have
@@melkaya_yn wow are you mean-spirited.
Most people don't get it. One of the local obnoxious kids was making comments about my horse so I put her up on him. She lasted about one step at the trot, LOL!
@@CurtWhitcomb I swear! You are just full of little stories & tidbits Curt! You've gotta be plum full of beans...🤤
Mental meltdown.....this horse is stressed, he is screaming "no more of this" - either not the right discipline choice for this horse (hates the task), over trained (sour), or poor team horse/rider match - either way, this horse is trying to communicate in the only way he knows how. Hope someone listens......
The fact that this horse seems fearful of all the humans trying to calm him speaks volumes. To most of these dressage riders the horse is nothing more than an object to be used to get ribbons and bragging rights. Many of them don't keep these horses for very long. A few years at best and then they get rid of them for a new toy
Most horses will run around like that after bolting as the change of weight and their excitement of what happened - it has nothing to do with how they feel about the rider as horses don’t think that way .
@@carolannlocks As someone who trains mostly horses ruined by humans this is EXACTLY how they behave. Fearful... Believe It or not horses have memory and emotions. They aren't simply status symbols and playthings
@@pquarterhorse1 look if this horse didn’t like this girl you think he would have let her ride him to Grand Prix? No sorry if a horse doesn’t bond w the rider it won’t happen . You were taking this to the extreme assuming that she abuses her horse I saw a horse it was overwhelmed by the atmosphere, and that happens I can show you 1 million videos of horses that lose a rider and the horses will run all over doesn’t have anything to do with how they feel about the rider .
@@carolannlocks Sure. You would be surprised how many upper level dressage horses and Hunter jumpers are abused. You'll see it even more in the saddlebred and halter Horse Arabian industry too
@@pquarterhorse1 - yes I know there are horses that are abused in all disciplines. I just can’t assume that this horse was abused - most in 85% of bolters are running from pain . Such as my horse Mr p - breeder never got his left foot taken care of and he would bolt w trainer . He is a Hanoverian and got him for 800 bucks . Did all the work and got him fixed as I could by vet . Had to put him in field for 2 years to heal . Had him since he was seven years old. He’s now 20. I removed the pain so Palermo is a wonderful horse to ride and my Trainer uses beginners on him also. From watching video her horse I don’t think was on his game that day .
Horse moves better after dumping the rider 😂. Freedom of movement! Not all constrained.
First i read the description with some news for Karen. A scene as it may happen when Show jumping goes wrong. There must have been some big mistakes in training and warm up of this horse. The rider described her horse as tense and full of energy one year ago. This was not a simple spook but a high risk situation.
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@@watchgoose thank you
This is terrifying, if all it took for a horse to get to that state is a fan, it's been over threshold for a long time. Riders are on more difficult to handle horses than they can manage while they continue breeding even more sensitive horses, trainers are getting away with so much outdated, damaging training that it's hard to find any high level trainers at all that don't use excessive force.
Knee/thigh rolls the size of jupiter are used in dressage saddles (why, shouldn't these riders be the most balanced riders there are?) and allows them to brace against the hand creating even more pressure in the mouth and letting badly balanced riders cling on during movements. I'd like to see any of these so called grand prix riders doing a program bareback and see how fast they'd put helmets back in use, or get better trainers.
This is ok but riding in a snaffle, sidepull or without spurs is not. The new FEI rulebook is a joke and says little to nothing about rollkur, hyperflexion and BTV. What is going on?
Horse proved he didn't need the rider to execute the program in style. Hope he doesn't get abused for it.
maybe if these dressage horses got to be horses and go outside and run and play like horses should all that pent up energy would go away. poor horses drill drill drill. you could clearly see how happy he was to be running around and then he settled down
You don't know what you're talking about. Most of these riders turn their horses out a lot.
Well, here is a horse who clearly HATES what humans are forcing him to do. Despite agonizing pain in his mouth from the rider understandably trying to control him, and failing miserably at controlling him, despite that pain, he bolted anyway. Even after getting the rider off of him, he still wanted NOTHING to do with humans, who feed him, keep him pretty, and locked in a stall 23 hours a day. TERRIBLE life for any horse. Plus, she should not have fallen off, the horse was galloping, not even bucking, she should ride better than that. I was galloping bareback with a halter as a young child, and not falling off.
My spanish stallion did something similar and jumped over the fence out of the dressage arena when a olympic rider trained him and treated him too rude.
This rider never wanted to ride him
again and I kept training the horse myself.
Very clever my horse !
Can someone in the know explain to me why a horse would respond like this right after coming into the ring? I'm not a horse person, but this seems strange to me. At this level, I would imagine that a horse would be prepared for the pressure, unless something else was going on...
The most fun this poor horse has had in ages. Could care less about the rider. Who could blame the horse.
My bet is that hardly anyone now (during training for any discipline) finishes the session with a relaxing hack. This was a way to not sour your horse with nothing but restrictive training, so he remembers each final part of a session with you as relaxing and enjoyable. These are live animals not machines.
That horse has had it.
Sad for the rider and the horse. Hope they both are okay.
Not normal for horses to move like this. These horses look to be in pain. Stop this cruelty
Dressage riding is only based on breaking down the horse's own will to move freely🐎
Boy, she did not have leg strength to stay on. And why are these poor horses so crazy?
What happened? That is so sad and I hope the rider and horse 🐎 are both okay!
I think he spooked with a fan before entering the arena and then she lost the reins... I hope they are ok 🙏✨️
Judging from another video I found of her competing, the ground is exactly where she should be.
@@isabeladovalle7903 Read the description. There's a note there for you.
What happened was these horses are very fresh and he took off. It has happened to every rider.
Horse was a bit fresh. It happens, to all riders. It's happened to my pals who trail ride, jump, gallop race horses, lope reining horses, rope, rein, and cut cattle, too. I don't know anyone who rides who hasn't got dumped off a horse. The professional riders too. But when it's someone who little Miss Dressage Hub doesn't like, usually because they didn't like her little business model, she goes after them hammer and tongs, and delights in all the self-righteous responses about how they would do so much better. Every click here makes her money, too, so she wins two ways. How naive these people are, they keep making Little Miss Dressage Hub money and they play into her little game. And it's all about business and money. The Dressage Hub lady is notorious for doing this over and over, to one rider after another. She's been banned from certain show rings for her behavior. Nasty piece of work she is, as hate filled as the day is long.
Re: introductory comments, I completely agree. 👍👍
Well, that was a definite 'not today' response.
While I agree with your sentiment about the rider being lousy and overhorsed (if you’re riding grand prix your horse shouldn’t spook like that, and hedoes you should be able to ride it) I don’t agree with your helmet slogan. Even the best of the best (and I don’t mean in terms of ribbons) have off days or miscalculate. They’re human, mistakes happen.
However, mistakes and falls (as uncommon as they are for good horsemen) have very high risk for injury, especially head injuries. The risk of falling is low, or should be, but the risk of injury *if* you fall is very, very high. You only have one brain and new research is showing that it’s more fragile than we once thought. Even if the risk of falling should be low, we should absolutely do our best to mitigate the risk of brain injuries that result from falls. So yes, good horsemanship can mitigate the number of falls, but it can’t prevent them completely, and there needs to be proper risk mitigation in case of falls.
Looks like a muscle cramp in the hind leg contributed to that. Look at how the hair is reflecting light and you can see a line that's really not supposed to be there.
AND THIS IS WHY WE WEAR HELMETS IN DRESSAGE.
Really....she couldn't sit on that? Dressage....something very wrong at all levels.
Let's see you get on that horse and ride it at that show. I'd love to see what happens.
Poor animal - running from all that compression!
Oh, is Little Miss Dressage Hub trashing someone else who didn't like her business model? This Dressage Hub gal is notorious for this. Any rider can have a bad day. She picks people to trash who didn't want to do business with her.
If only I had a business .... 😂 🤡
Dressage is pure abuse, unnatural for the horse and often complete ignoring what the horse is saying, as the owner does not care a sh...t, only cares about the ribbon. Kudos to this horse making his point VERY clear
Non-expert here, wagering a guess that the horse just wasn't in the mood (reasons irrelevant), and the signs were ignored. Hope the rider is okay.
I can explain to you all exactly what happened here:
Unfortunately, in their monotonous lives, these top-class, valuable sport horses often only see their stable boxes and the riding halls and riding and dressage arenas all over the world, which look almost the same.
They are therefore not used to seeing other everyday things in their surroundings, just like in this case it was probably the running fan in this dressage arena that seems to have frightened the horse.
The organizers probably put this fan there because it was extremely hot there, which the horse is obviously not used to in his country - related to the running fan.
Especially with horses that have to experience different conditions in different countries during their sporting career, you should complete some kind of anti-fright training in advance so that even strange situations for the horse can be controlled.
Nevertheless, props to the rider because in this emergency she used the normal bridle reins instead of the curb reins.
Well done, good boy🥰
grab one reign, make the horse kiss your knee and circle, circle, circle. She basically let go of the reigns, too loose to get its head around.
She did that, the horse kept running with his neck bent. It doesn’t always work
Wow her reins were alot long on that short side right before she fell off...she could have controlled that a bit better...and the bucking...sore back?
There are other reasons why horses buck, such as being fresh.
How can they be at that level and not know how to handle a situation like that??? The horse didn’t even really take off he was in a normal canter😭😂
I watched yesterday's fall and was shocked an elite rider would fall at a simple spook. Yeah it was a big one, but the rider is a top level rider she shouldn't have had an issue. Then I realised she slipped out of her knee roll support and couldn't balance.
I'll agree with you on that. When I was training in Germany in the beginning 1990's we still knew how to ride ie put legs on horse and balance etc. Now anyone can lock themselves into that thigh block and you are secure... until you lose a stirrup.
@@NordeggSonya You shouldn't even need stirrups at all in those deep seat dressage saddles. Frankly I think they should take them away entirely for the elite level.
@@thangle13 I agree (I think they should just be gone for everyone but that wont happen.)
@@thangle13 I agree too, they should be illegal at that level. Actually I think they should be illegal at all levels. Why start the training poorly?
I have an idea. You get on the horse. Let's see how you do. I suppose you've never fallen off, and would have sat that one while chatting on your cell phone.
I am thinking it maybe got spooked by the fan?
We used to say dressage meant ‘to train’. Now it seems to mean win at any cost. It’s very disappointing. It should be graceful and smooth. Hate to state the obvious but blood on the sides of the horse or on the lips is not part of dressage. I am pretty sick of seeing these GP riders using their spurs like weapons jabbing at the horse’s sides.
That was probably 30 horse shows ago. She has picked herself back up and rides better than anyone commenting on this video.
You may not like it, but that's just the way it is.
I’m not laughing or rooting for a bad outcome, I was hoping the rider would project a calmer presence for the horse to better stabilize him. It might have been the fan spinning that startled the horse.
I’m confused as to what triggered this- was he stung or spooked? He never jumped out of the ring. And fyi- not a dressage riders are cruel to their horses.
You can tell the horse hates this!
Amazing he did not jump out of the arena. I wonder if he even knew he could.
Of course he knows he can jump out of the arena. Most of these horses jump during their training. He's going to stay next to his rider, for the most part, though. He looked like he just got a bit fresh. This happens, especially when horses travel to shows and don't get to go out in their pasture for a few days. They get full of beans.
@@CurtWhitcomb Are you a troll? You must be. Or maybe someone is paying you to make these bizarre statements? I think you must be full of beans. 🤤
This isn't the first time this horse has bolted. He has the bit avoidance down pat.
Jacked up? Trigger stacked? Thigh rolls?
Newbie, pls explain 🙏
Jacked up = Excited
Trigger stacked = Piled scary/stressful things on top of each other
Thigh rolls = The big bumps on the saddle in front of the thighs that the rider can use to lock themselves in place and force themselves onto horses they aren't ready for.
@@sunnybunny7053 - thank you!
It's called trashing the rider. It's popular to do online, and is generally inversely proportioned to how much the person knows about dressage, especially when goaded on by Ms. Dressage Hub, who trashes any rider who doesn't like her little business model. In other words all this trashing of riders is about money. All riders from all riding styles fall off sometimes. The horse gets startled or feels fresh, the rider gets taken by surprise, it happens. Anyone can have this happen. Ms. Dressage Hub cherry picks videos of people she's had a business falling out with and then goes around accusing them of sleeping their way to the top, etc. She's a real nasty piece of work.
I bet that's the first bit of freedom that poor horse has had in years
Typical dressage horse....doesn't even think about jumping out of the ring, even though the barrier is about 12" high....LOL.
Baloney. Most of our horses jump and enjoy it. He was sticking around there because his rider was there.
Why didn’t she try a one rein stop?
Likely because she doesn't know how to do one.
She did and it failed. A pulley rein might have worked better.
Because that doesn't always work, and because to teach it you have to make the horse crooked, and you have to repeat it over and over because it's not a natural reaction, it's a trained reaction. Most dressage riders don't use one rein stops. They use other methods. That doesn't make them bad riders. She tried everything she should have tried, it just wasn't one of those days.
Thanks to the rich and ignorant we have horse sports like dressage...the people ,i have no regard for and the poor horses... well there is KARMA.. at the end of the day....barbaric..and unacceptable.
Is it not the fan that spooked the horse...? The horse was fine and concentrating then suddenly spots the fan and takes off.
I noticed that the horse seemed to spook at the fan too.
Horses ultimately want freedom. “With flowing tail and flying mane, Wide nostrils never stretched by pain, Mouth bloodless to bit or rein, And feet that iron never shod, And flanks unscar’d by spur or rod, A thousand horses - the wild - the free - Like waves that follow o’er the sea, Came thickly thundering on.” - Lord Byron
Well, the extended canter wasn’t bad, but it’s 0 for the halt & salute.
She is 65 years old. But it was an interesting way to try and stop a horse. She just fell apart.
Horrible to watch this poor Horse so stressed . The Horse even dont trust its Rider it doesnt go to
Don't think much of the rider, obviously didn't feel the horse,
The way she went for that left rein emergency disengage the hind quarters brake! I bet that's not the first time the horse has tried to bail out of a test.
That was a good example of the failure of the one rein stop.
He may do that as a habit. Some rather famous horses have had a few little habits like that. Often the horse that gets to go up the levels and stay with the trainer is the one that customers keep bringing back because they're just a little naughty, lol. My friend got a horse in to train that took off at a dead run when you had one foot in the stirrup. This one looked really fresh and feisty and mischievous. Having a good time! Every rider gets dumped off sometime, usually because their horse is feeling their oats.
@@CurtWhitcomb Just full of beans! Naughty horse...you are relentless Curt, like it's your job or something...
In my opinión the Horse was affected by ultrasound or somethiing..stung .Ive worked with horses for years and his reaction was panic....or drugs
Odd...the horse ended up going over to the rider.....of course the video stopped before the end.
I think the fan spooked him initially.
Lovely horse ❤️
These horses are reacting this way because of high pressure and stress. They're not being given a balanced life of work and freedom to be a horse in pasture..
These horses appear deeply frustrated and unhappy.
He certainly doesn’t want to go back to his rider!
The only way the horse can show he is deeply distressed
I agree that dressage is pretty much all about the money. One should have the perfect horse and tack. One should sit perfectly and look perfect. The percentage of cruel treatment to loving care is tilted to harsh vs. patience and care. It is expensive to own such a pedigreed animal, and the costs to show are massive. If you doubt me, go back stage (as it were) and just observe. However, patience and care do exist.
Why do people show those videos, do you like that. There are a ton of people who don’t know nothing about horses and have there opinion ready. You don’t do just to the horses. There will always be people who are doing it wrong willingly and unwillingly. Show them how absolutely beautiful our sport and relationship with the horse is. I love my horses to dead. But they are horses and just like dogs they don’t always behave like we would and we are humans and try our best. Don’t kill our sport please.
Happened to me once, someone gave my horse extra oats before competition to liven him up a bit, he played up so much in the collecting ring they eliminated us before we went in 😂
😅😅I've been there too....
That's life with horses! It can happen to anyone.
It was the van in the background!
I score that horse a solid 76.8 for it's freestyle routine.
Hat sich schon vorher angekündigt. Im Rücken total blockiert und das kommt dabei raus, wenn man die Pferde so zusammenknallt
This is not that big a deal. Why the catastrophic language to describe an incident that happens all the time with horses? No one died. Horse is ok. Just wasn't ready for this much pressure. Reconsider this animal's career. He's telling you this may not be his gig!😮
This doesn't happen all the time.
Good for the horse. “Stop making me do stupid shit.”
Good for you Horse!!😘
Looks like the fan spooked him.
This horse is saying I’ve had enough
Something hurting that horse
This seems to be a common issue
the ventilator...